This is my first coal ship. after you kill the dds, its hard to get value... Torps are good but its not a torp boat. Smoke farming is hard because i get blind fired. Shooting over islands is how i farm after dds are dead if i get someone to spot. I mostly just start spotting... If someone counter radars. I just get taken out lol.
Got a Black Friday crate with the Black - a Black Black. Love to play it, esp when I’m feeling down about my play. Helps to make you feel like you know what you are doing lol
Long range slow torps seem to work very well in WoW. People forget after a bit that you may of sent them out, or that you can reach a long distance. I get a silly number of torp hits in my Italian cruisers just throwing them where people might go, or someone far away who thinks they are safe. 2 min later boom torp hits.
I got this early, for steel. That was hard, as I mostly just play randoms. And for randoms...... something of a let-down. I felt it was a big mistake, until WG offered it for coal. That is when I lit myself on fire and jumped off the roof into traffic.
I love my black. Its a great cap bully and I've hit way more torps then I assumed I would. I find the antidote to the Black is DDs willing to push your smoke with good hydro.
Hey PQ, any chance you could keep a running leader board for coal and steel ships? After you review each one you reassess where it is on that leader board. I have a butt load of coal right now and I'm hanging out waiting for your leader board show.
Agree Groningen with a Dutch Santa captain is like partying with Goldmember's drunk uncle captaining your ship so Gron is #1 DD at tier 9 for me, maybe period. But if you want something to speed run ranked with, Black and Alaska are my favorites. Alaska B at Black Friday sale is probably the only ship in the game I'd recommend a new player spend money on. Thanks for the vids PQ.
Not a farming ship at all or a high damage ship. But it is a very high impact ship that helps you and your team win games. Good enough in randoms but just rules ranked, convoy escort and airship escort-not to mention epicenter. The problem is enemy radar and lingering in smoke with all of the super fast torps now in the game. But quite frankly, that is a problem for any DD in the game. The smoke-radar combo makes it a DD hunter and cap boss. Killing DDs and taking caps is really the most important job for any dd. I got it late but think it is worth every nugget of coal. Coal is easy to come by anyways. Not a flanking boat at all. Get caught on a flank by a gunboat with your radar and smoke down and you are pretty much dead. It is not fast and does not have speed boost. A gunboat can just run it down.
I suggest you get better with DDs before getting a premium. Go down the US line for more balanced ships, or the Japanese line for torps (gunboat is also good), but dont invest money for something you might not enjoy because of lack of experience
Though if you still want a premium DD, I think you should go for the Kidd. It's a Fletcher at tier 8 that has a heal, so it's more forgiving - though just one torpedo rack.
@@fehmisualp1732 Cossack is extremely strong. Crazy good in ranked. That DD is meant to knife fight and cap contest. Marceau is very strong but has kind of a tough play style for a newer DD player. Like said US line is balanced. Jap line is strong torpedo or strong DPM gunboat. The french line is VERY strong once learned how to play them. Teaches you how to open water gun boat. That play style is very fun and unique. Learn a balanced DD line first, then if you enjoy it and get decent. I would do a more gunboat line next. The jap line is easier as it has smoke and farms more vs the french line that teaches you how to open water and use speed and maneuvering to dodge. I will say as someone who plays a ton of french DD in random to ranked to in clan battles. A good DD player who is good in a french DD is extremely dangerous. Can literally carry a match.
Of the two, I would suggest Black. Black is similar to a lot of American DDs, so you can just use a captain from your tech tree line. Neustrashimy is a stealthy torp boat with a super heal, which is unique, but it doesn't mesh well with other Soviet DD captains. Then again, maybe the uniqueness is a selling point.
She's way more,lets say "comftable"to play,then other smoke/torp focused DDs . Trade off for Radar is slow torp and rather poor gun ballistics imoo. It takes a while to get the right lead,so one might miss the first salvos to connect. But in general a good cap contester,if played right
It seems difficult to see this ship, I was confused by the very slow speed of the torpedo, and again with guns, this is not for fighting, when you meet a destroyer ship like the Elbing, or Merceu or Vampire, I'm sure you will lose
@@Belzeh What I mean is the bottom line, black and its competitors at the same price, namely Neutrashimy, Neutrashimy is better, with all its components it is safer to play
I have the Black and its ok but the torps are as slow as molasses. Why WG does not offer two types of torps like on lower Tier American DDs, i will never know. I got so frustrated trying to use those torps i quit playing the DD. The ship looks great though.
They have very low detection, so just send them in the direction of enemies or down channels to get hits. Don't specifically try to hit individual ships as you will likely miss. The slow torps are also to balance out the radar. If it had Fletcher torps it'd make Fletcher completely powercrept and be way too OP. Black is a DD killer, it's balanced by being weaker against cruisers and BBs.
@@Joshua-fi4ji Yep thats what i do and once in a while i will get a torp hit. The radar had a better day years ago before so many other ships got radar. I found myself getting radarred in the cap a whole lot more often than before. Good guns but like the video said there are better DDs out there now.
@@wramsey2656 I agree, there are better DDs and better Fletchers these days. The radar and smoke is powerful, but it's a bit like German DDs in that other DDs generally knows to stay away. The torps work in randoms, but they're lacking in a ranked setting when you need to torp something in particular and there are a lot of hydros about.
I purchased black as my first coal ship and while it has its good games here and there I honestly don't play it very much and wish I ended up getting something else. If you're a ranked dd type of player get it as it is a very solid ship other than that not worth it.
I would argue t9 facing super ships is far more manageable than t7s facing t9s, many t7 lines have yet to get their key "identity" gimmicks online making them just incomplete ships (both american cruiser lines lack radar for instance, many DDs come into their own with t8 onward). This is easily fixed by WG simply updating lower tiers but....wheres the money in that guys? have a loot box and pay us 200 bux for another new ship /s
No, she is not worth it. Get Black B(lack) in the upcoming Black Friday Event from the Premium Containers and you are a living meme. And a very strong cap contesting DD.😂
Q: Black worth getting?
A: Yes.
30 sec video! Jk PQ appreciate all you do! Keeping my interest in the game despite certain balance "choices"
This is my first coal ship. after you kill the dds, its hard to get value... Torps are good but its not a torp boat. Smoke farming is hard because i get blind fired. Shooting over islands is how i farm after dds are dead if i get someone to spot. I mostly just start spotting... If someone counter radars. I just get taken out lol.
Its not a torp boat, its a minelayer ship. the only minelayer ship in wows actually.
@@AlexLee-je5jg every game I get at least one torp hit. I just throw them out and sometimes they hit things lol.
@@AlexLee-je5jg there's a few destroyers in wows that clearly have mines instead of depth charges on the deck
If you get the DDs then you’ve already gotten great value. Get some caps and spotting and you’re well on the way to a 2k+ game.
@@mathiasrryba i think black have the slowest torpedo speed and nothing else really comes close to how sluggish it is, that it is basically sea mines
I think the people blind firing you were aiming at the middle smoke puff indicator. Imo, the only mod that should absolutely not be legal.
I didn't know that was a mod, and now it makes sense when I get blind fired by sweaty players.
Got a Black Friday crate with the Black - a Black Black. Love to play it, esp when I’m feeling down about my play. Helps to make you feel like you know what you are doing lol
Always stunned at how many torp hits I get in the Black.
Agree that the Black n Nuestra are fabulous ranked picks.
Long range slow torps seem to work very well in WoW. People forget after a bit that you may of sent them out, or that you can reach a long distance. I get a silly number of torp hits in my Italian cruisers just throwing them where people might go, or someone far away who thinks they are safe. 2 min later boom torp hits.
I got this early, for steel. That was hard, as I mostly just play randoms. And for randoms...... something of a let-down. I felt it was a big mistake, until WG offered it for coal. That is when I lit myself on fire and jumped off the roof into traffic.
Aim for the bushes...
That Yugumo would get a Solo Warrior. But decided to throw...😂
I got it for steel when the armory was introduced. 9k, I think was the price back then. My first steel ship and I still don't regret the investment.
I have once fallen to black torps. Thought I had waited long enough to turn but didn't lol. Similar can happen with some German torps
Me too, fell over myself trying to dodge them
This ship along with Jager and azuma are my main credit printer. Black is still a fun ship.
Unlike Jaeger, Black is a real gem for ranked
Jaeger is so much fun!
You have to send that game of throws to Jingles, that would be a great game
In that case every game on NA server should go to Jingles xD. NA ppl love to throw fr
Black, Gonnigen and Flint all used to be Steel ships that is why they are so expensive for coal.
I dont remember gonnigen being a stealship, its a replacement for the fryland, which if I remember was always a coal ship.
Black and Flint were ranked rewards first. Fries / Gron were initially free exp.
I love my black. Its a great cap bully and I've hit way more torps then I assumed I would. I find the antidote to the Black is DDs willing to push your smoke with good hydro.
Hey PQ, any chance you could keep a running leader board for coal and steel ships? After you review each one you reassess where it is on that leader board. I have a butt load of coal right now and I'm hanging out waiting for your leader board show.
I've got coal to spend! Hanging out for your final review on all the coal DD's before I make my choice.
Agree Groningen with a Dutch Santa captain is like partying with Goldmember's drunk uncle captaining your ship so Gron is #1 DD at tier 9 for me, maybe period. But if you want something to speed run ranked with, Black and Alaska are my favorites. Alaska B at Black Friday sale is probably the only ship in the game I'd recommend a new player spend money on. Thanks for the vids PQ.
Pommern next maybe? I feel like its a really good ship at its tier because of the many guns excellent secondaries torps and ofc the credit multiplier.
Oh yeah - Pommern please :)
He already did coal cruisers and bbs. There is a playlist .
It was my first ever coal ship and a really good introduction into german BB playstyles
Not a farming ship at all or a high damage ship. But it is a very high impact ship that helps you and your team win games. Good enough in randoms but just rules ranked, convoy escort and airship escort-not to mention epicenter. The problem is enemy radar and lingering in smoke with all of the super fast torps now in the game. But quite frankly, that is a problem for any DD in the game. The smoke-radar combo makes it a DD hunter and cap boss. Killing DDs and taking caps is really the most important job for any dd. I got it late but think it is worth every nugget of coal. Coal is easy to come by anyways. Not a flanking boat at all. Get caught on a flank by a gunboat with your radar and smoke down and you are pretty much dead. It is not fast and does not have speed boost. A gunboat can just run it down.
I got the black b last black Friday and I gotta say its a lot of fun. It was worth it for the money in my eyes, but coal might be another story
Heck yeah, I love this DD ❤❤
damnit i wanted to be first
Please somebody help me im not dd main should i buy marceau f.sherman or black i have already Napoli and moskova
I suggest you get better with DDs before getting a premium. Go down the US line for more balanced ships, or the Japanese line for torps (gunboat is also good), but dont invest money for something you might not enjoy because of lack of experience
Though if you still want a premium DD, I think you should go for the Kidd. It's a Fletcher at tier 8 that has a heal, so it's more forgiving - though just one torpedo rack.
If youre not a dd main and have no intention to learn dd, yet still want a coal dd, get the groningen
@@onyxdragon1179 i have kidd and cossack b but not very good stats maybe i should wait bit more thank you for your answer
@@fehmisualp1732 Cossack is extremely strong. Crazy good in ranked. That DD is meant to knife fight and cap contest. Marceau is very strong but has kind of a tough play style for a newer DD player. Like said US line is balanced. Jap line is strong torpedo or strong DPM gunboat. The french line is VERY strong once learned how to play them. Teaches you how to open water gun boat. That play style is very fun and unique. Learn a balanced DD line first, then if you enjoy it and get decent. I would do a more gunboat line next. The jap line is easier as it has smoke and farms more vs the french line that teaches you how to open water and use speed and maneuvering to dodge. I will say as someone who plays a ton of french DD in random to ranked to in clan battles. A good DD player who is good in a french DD is extremely dangerous. Can literally carry a match.
Really trying to find the best fast, hidden torp boat. Coal or dubs
question, will you make a video about the Somme? its technically a coal ship.
It's identical to Jutland, but premium
I think he did already
Just for your information the yugumo at the end threw away a solo warrior that was free all he had to do is nothing.
What is this camo?
I got it yesterday and breezed through t9 ranked.
i am thinking of getting the Kidd or Sims
idk which would be better
Kidd
@@EvoraGT430 elaborate please
I have both, and prefer the Kidd! Better gun boat with heals.
Black and neustrashimy, which should i buy first?
Of the two, I would suggest Black. Black is similar to a lot of American DDs, so you can just use a captain from your tech tree line. Neustrashimy is a stealthy torp boat with a super heal, which is unique, but it doesn't mesh well with other Soviet DD captains. Then again, maybe the uniqueness is a selling point.
@@Frigidbloodneustrashimy would be good in rank or random ?
My question is how many ships dose PQ have in his fleet?
I got the Black B in a black friday container. Am I happy now?
Does she benefit from IFHE?
She's way more,lets say "comftable"to play,then other smoke/torp focused DDs .
Trade off for Radar is slow torp and rather poor gun ballistics imoo.
It takes a while to get the right lead,so one might miss the first salvos to connect.
But in general a good cap contester,if played right
I was blessed enough to get her from a random super container 😅
It seems difficult to see this ship, I was confused by the very slow speed of the torpedo, and again with guns, this is not for fighting, when you meet a destroyer ship like the Elbing, or Merceu or Vampire, I'm sure you will lose
Elbing? You must be joking. That thing is useless against DDs (unless the opposing DD is clueless and shows enough angle to arm Elbing's AP).
@@Belzeh What I mean is the bottom line, black and its competitors at the same price, namely Neutrashimy, Neutrashimy is better, with all its components it is safer to play
plus the the fact the torps are slow enough people will just stroll themselves into them. lolol
This dd is very good in ranked games.
I have the Black and its ok but the torps are as slow as molasses. Why WG does not offer two types of torps like on lower Tier American DDs, i will never know. I got so frustrated trying to use those torps i quit playing the DD. The ship looks great though.
They have very low detection, so just send them in the direction of enemies or down channels to get hits. Don't specifically try to hit individual ships as you will likely miss.
The slow torps are also to balance out the radar. If it had Fletcher torps it'd make Fletcher completely powercrept and be way too OP. Black is a DD killer, it's balanced by being weaker against cruisers and BBs.
@@Joshua-fi4ji Yep thats what i do and once in a while i will get a torp hit. The radar had a better day years ago before so many other ships got radar. I found myself getting radarred in the cap a whole lot more often than before. Good guns but like the video said there are better DDs out there now.
@@wramsey2656 I agree, there are better DDs and better Fletchers these days. The radar and smoke is powerful, but it's a bit like German DDs in that other DDs generally knows to stay away. The torps work in randoms, but they're lacking in a ranked setting when you need to torp something in particular and there are a lot of hydros about.
Yes
Best all round DD.
revisit satsuma next
I purchased black as my first coal ship and while it has its good games here and there I honestly don't play it very much and wish I ended up getting something else. If you're a ranked dd type of player get it as it is a very solid ship other than that not worth it.
I've played the Black a lot. But nowadays there are too many radarships in the game.
I would argue t9 facing super ships is far more manageable than t7s facing t9s, many t7 lines have yet to get their key "identity" gimmicks online making them just incomplete ships (both american cruiser lines lack radar for instance, many DDs come into their own with t8 onward). This is easily fixed by WG simply updating lower tiers but....wheres the money in that guys? have a loot box and pay us 200 bux for another new ship /s
WG could start with lower tiers having the same size depth charge drop box as T8 up.
Yes. Yes it is.
We have split
We have gdansk
So what the matter for black?
I used to like the Black... until I started playing akizuki...
black seems still good since its a Fletcher with a radar lol, day 45 for asking for a roon review
No, she is not worth it. Get Black B(lack) in the upcoming Black Friday Event from the Premium Containers and you are a living meme. And a very strong cap contesting DD.😂
This yugumo… he’s literally grieffing his team
PQ I beg you, when you blur the chat, just blur the players name! I want to see the salt!
Black not good for randoms? What????Groeningen is better what?????? Are you joking
The one DD missing