Is Sherman Still Worth Getting In 2024?
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Positioning is very important in this DD more than rest of the DDs in game, if mispositioned her battle impact will be zero and it will be near impossible to chase other ships/objectives because she is very slow !!
Trueeee!! I can’t even chase Marceau even I have that “speed” flag which makes sherman 35 knts speed 🙄🙄
I got this thing last night and it's honestly really fun
Great vid. I've been farmed by this ship and it hurts to be so helpless sometimes.
Sherman is one of the few destroyers who don’t suffer from taking extra range. Most dds have such bad shell velocity that makes them need to play close up, but Sherman has a really flexible engagement range which makes it very comfortable to play.
I like my FS, but what usually happens for me, is I don't get anyone to spot for me, so once I take out the red DD via smoke+hydro, I'm left to do the spotting making it hard to farm damage with it... Kind of the same issue I run into when I use my Vampire as well.
You're playing it too aggressive then. You're not a DD hunter you're a 2nd line farmer
@@TheKasperlkopf I get that, the issue is, when I have no other DD on my flank, I need to spot, which makes it hard to play the FS. MM likes to make me the only DD on a flank or stick me on the sub flank, and well... you can kind of guess how that goes.
@@jamesharrington001 ye that's a common issue. You still shouldnt go first. Let others spot and tank (braindead bb pushing) or go somewhere else and return later
That's at least how I deal w that
Now that I've finished watching the video I don't quite understand how you're failing at playing fs. He literally goes into depth about going for enemy dds and how it's more comfortable to not do that. 🤷🏻♂️@@jamesharrington001
I got it a few weeks ago and it’s a really powerful ship, only if you don’t get radar’d and die immediately and also don’t get plane spotted. Extremely potent otherwise.
💯 agree
Very funny bote, can confirm. Also the captain build is basically what I run except not at 21 points yet. I got 1 Halsey funny moment before I got fearless brawler, so it could have been better, but 0.8 second reload was still funny to laugh at. It also excels at operations for good, low stress credit printing. Can run with no signal flags, get 300k+ games and profit around 200-300k credits (standard/premium account) per game with no/only grey boosters. AA is strong vs the bot CVs that run into your flak, wish it would have better continuous DPS to counter players though.
You really should start trying these ships in operations.
For me the Sherman was one of the best purchases I’ve ever made.
Not every game will be fun but when things click I love it.
I really do like my Sherman .. though I find it a tad unwieldly. If you can Div with a Good concealment DD you can put alot of work in not worrying about losing spotting or bumbling into
a DD that out spots you.
The torps are really really good at one thing .. Drive bys .. If you get jumped around an Island by something like a cruiser or BB don't turn away .. charge and the torp angles are almost perfection for a drive by.
Sherman is also out dpm'd by the Holland Sisters and the Harugumo in both HE and AP. Furthermore, Sherman relates more to The Dutch T9 premium DD Or the Pan Asian T8 Loyang. Sherman is a utility based DD like the above, with smoke and hydro for screening and Cap Control.
I just don't connect with this ship.
But I'm Def getting sherm. I got multiple usn commanders 18-21pts including 21pt halsey.
What I wish the game would get is a tier 9 and 10 version of kidd. Like a gearing down at tier 9 with kidd treatment. Less torp power, heal, aa.
Play it like a light cruiser that is a pain for the enemy to hit. Building for range helps a lot.
I don’t like this ship. Too slow.
PQ overweights how good Sherman is because he probably gets burned by it in a battleship a lot. It's really a sidegrade to the elbing for the most part, and the Elbing is much more responsive and versatile with the two consecutive buffs to its mobility this year.
Na I traded mine for Karl johan with no regrets. Sherman can be ok but you never have support from your team so it’s almost never a good time and with subs and cvs once you use your smoke you’re too vulnerable. 🤷♂️
Hey nice video on sherman, but how do you get that water effect in your game is that in settings or a mod?
I hate seeing them on my team.. 9 times out of 10 they just sit in smoke/behind islands/or just back, spamming sap. No spotting/screening.. It's basically like being 1 DD short on your team. Hell I've even seen em spamming chat for intelligence, when there's no CV and they're the only DD on that flank...
Because that is the play style but if done right the Sherman can hold a flank itself.
@@dish9849 It's more a problem with the MM.. Not all DDs are the same. Same with hybrids not being accounted for, uneven numbers of radar etc..
If the MM only gives you 2 spotters (DDs in old-money), and one of them doesn't, you're screwed.
@@dish9849 If done right is an understatement. It kind of needs the stars to align for it to be able to hold a flank. First the enemy dd must not be a high speed high conceal dd, o/w you get constantly spotted and deleted. Second there needs to be no enemy radar cruiser or you just don't get to use smoke. Third you need to have constant spotting, which means a second living dd on your flank. Lastly the enemy battleships need to be too scared to push otherwise they just run you down. In practice that's like a 1 game out of 20 scenario, and you are better off just playing a real light cruiser.
both Sherman and Marceau are played overwhelmingly by potatoes. Both of them have a high skill ceiling but unfortunately also a low floor - and in a randoms queue you know which one is helluva lot more likely...
I enjoy it although I think the torpedo reload should be reduced just a bit
I had the ship but never liked her torpedo limitations. I had heard the real ship design had homing torpedoes which makes sense given the limited angle of release from the deck. When WG decided not to give her homing torpedoes (like the subs) it made them so different from other subs i had played i never got use to it. I sold her back and got another ship i liked better. While she has good utilities she plays more like a small light cruiser than a DD.
Original design had fixed-angle launchers for 'guided' 324mm ASW torpedos. They were smaller and intended only for submarine hunting rather than surface combatants. Despite the guided nature, they found the fix-angle mounts made ASW too difficult (guide angle was limited so they'd still have to turn to launch in a lot of engagement scenarios). Retrofit swapped them to a rotating Mk32 324mm launcher. In-game, the fixed angle sucks, but at least the torps do 533mm damage.
It would be nice if they did implement the fix-angles as anti-sub homing though. Make DDs great again (at killing subs). Edit to add: She also had hedgehog launchers in the original design outfit. She should be able to launch charges off-bow like the Halland. Imagine, anti-sub homing torps and hedgehog. That plus the hydro and she'd be a great sub-deterrent.
Off topic but I wonder when US Navy (and others) stopped carrying what today's will be terms heavyweight torpedo, and went with lightweight
@@blackraen Wow your a professor thank you brother great information. :)
@@kidpagronprimsank05 Mainly anti-ship missiles. Soon as surface ships could carry reliably anti ship missiles, anti-surface torpedoes became wasted space that could be used to carry a more reliable anti-ship weapon. So yeah, anti-shipping missiles was when surface ships dropped anti-shipping torpedoes, but still kept the smaller anti-sub torps for ASW work.
Modern US submarines still carry 533mm anti-surface torpedoes though. Mk48 Mod7. Easier to stealth launch than a VLS tomahawk, especially if you don't have any of your VLS tubes configured for anti-ship.
Mr.PQ is the reticle from Aslans? I really love your content coz it's helpful for casuals like me. Keep it good sir.
The one boat I hate to see on my team, not going to get any spotting, just another boat that sits in smoke and farms while the other teams DDs run wild. Sure there are some folks that play it well, the majority are not.
I use it to charge enemy dds. When the gunfight starts, they usually smoke up. I dont. I charge into their smoke and hydro. I can usually see them and their smoke keeps their team from seeing me. I do the same thing with Freisland. It doesnt work against german DDs or ines with radar.
I like sherman, but my bane has been Radar ships. The lack of speed and it's size really hurt if a radar cruiser catches you.
15:30 I always seem to run in to that 1 guy in every Random match, somehow knows just how to skim the island with their shells and hit me every time.
I hope i get the upvotes. Can you play Conde with the lighthouse build ? Someone got 56.3 kts with a lighthouse build on that ship.
I bought it yesterday thats exactly what i need thanks bro
The one thing that bothers me with Sherman is how bad the vertical dispersion can be sometimes. There are times where a solid 66% of my shells are falling both above and below the enemy and I'm just like -_- pls ship...
Pov: You are in twitch chat and you apologize for spamming and still get banend:) What a balanced channel
Much as I love the vids like with Hildebrand and Tennessee i'm more of a cruiser or gun dd player and because of that I absolutely love these dd vids.
Great guns, smoke and hydro make it a great at contesting caps, but it's too slow to impact the rest of the map.
I love how the model has animated radar dishes, but the ship doesn't get radar.
I have this ship and it should be one of my favorites. But like you said, it depends on other ships to spot for you so can take advantage of your long smoke so you can farm. But that doesn´t happen too often. I think it would do much better if it had the short British smokes like the Druid or Z-42 (both of which I also have). And those fixed torp angles are just useless, why give it torps at all?
Having too much fun playing other DDs, I tried this thinking it was going to be a game changer, but I hated it. I have so much trouble with the torps and the guns are only good if you can campout. It's too easy to get over run, out flanked and destroyed while shooting it's guns. Wish I could sell it back for coal.
I've got 336,000 coal. I've got the Black & Groningen. I'm waiting for your coal DD report.
One of my all time fav dds!
After spending a ton of coal for Black, not sure if i want another US DD.
Bad in the current meta where dd population has dropped off because of the four cv games you get in TX these days, which also makes Sherman food hang back.
I need that aiming reticle
I’m trying to decide between Sherman and Tromp
Well if I remember correctly you live in upper Canada so I imagine there will be alot more videos coming out soon lol due to the snow.
Can you throw in your opinions on how these do in ranked when you make your full review?
Never see a Sherman in ranked, too slow, no one is ever going to let you farm from smoke, you use your smokes to hide your support ships while you spot.
Yeah great DPM but those guns are so dogshit to use on longer ranges. Just 3 turrets with single gun is so painfull to aim. I feel like shells are flying everywhere other than where I'm aiming. For example Lushun guns are so much better and its just on more gun.
Full Gun Build Shimakaze 8km torps next please
I got it. I dont play it much. I am stuck on getting a Ragnar and a Vampire2.
From Which mod is this Crosshair HUD?
Going between this and hayate. Only t10 dd i have is harugumo. I also have friesland and oland on t9 and t8. Out of the 3, im by FAR best in oland. Any suggestions?
I prefer Hayate for the Torps, it’s effectively shima torp DPM which gives up concealment for decent guns. Sherman is a hate it or love it kind of boat, great guns, over reliant on teammates and slow.
Take another look at Marceau and Black, probably better investments for coal.
@@jamesbowman859 best torp boat recommendation? I was think jager too but i wanted more t10
@@_nihilus7127 imho either Shima or Halland. Different playstyle though. Since you're already on Öland i'd say go for Halland. Yueyang is a possibility, personally i like to have Torps that can hit DDs.
@Tearnofear okay ty. I was thinking halland since im already at the t8. LOVING the fast torps so far.
@2XLBlazer ty, ill grind halland and then use my coal for hayate i think.
I’ve already got Marceau should I get Sherman or Napoli?
Napoli is much easier to have a positive battle impact with then Sherman. Napoli is so ungodly tanky that you can just W that thing through the middle of a cap with your smoke screen running and just force the other team to start kiting backwards.
Napoli is also good with low level commanders.
100% Napoli, that’s the next ship I am looking for
Napoli but with a warning, while Napoli is tanky, no dd is going to want to fight you, it is a good anti cruiser cruiser, but gets fucked by large overmatch gun battleships, or the battleship player that know to aim for the nose weak spot and side on to a battleship all that armour will mean cits and full pens on you.
Is that crosshair on Aslain's?
whats the name of the mod you use again?
aslain or wows modstation one of the mods in there
Love this ship, but I love my mouse and fingers more 😂
To be honest 1 or 1.5kt improvement on speed will change a lot
Believe it or not, i hit more torps with Sherman than with Shima :P
Useless DD with useless torpedos and useless smoke unless someone else is spotting for you while you're in smoke. That ain't gonna happen, especially in randoms where you need another DD to help you.
I don't like this ship. "Learning to position" just doesn't work a lot of the times when you're slower than a cruiser. It's super easy to hit and dies quickly when surprised by radar. Back based turrets make it difficult to advance into narrower positions. DDs need the ability to advance and hold a position imo, not just kite.
In a DD, this thing is a no go zone. You're likely to trade the sherman if you have support or good torps but he's taking a chunk out of you. However, you would almost never find a DD surprised by a Sherman.
To a radar cruiser, sherman is mostly prey. To a normal cruiser, bow in is enough to mitigate the SAP. Heck even destroyers bow in works. This thing definitely does not have the dpm, HE or SAP, to outgun a cruiser in a 1v1.
To a battleship, this thing does not have the DPM you think it does. Firstly you're losing almost all torp function. You are a small threat against a bow in rusher, which is faster than you, and outguns you. Even if you could use SAP very effectively, you are *missing out on fire damage*. If you're limited to HE, your DPM is really just not enough. This thing also does not have the accuracy of italian SAP.
If you want to play the smoke playstyle, just get the jinan. Yes it has a citadel. You're also going to explode in a snail sherman. It also has monster torps.
If you want to the comfy gunboat playstyle, groningen friesland is just more consistent. It's a much better ship for the tier imo.
Funny that, I’ve played since closed beta, and if you know what you’re doing in this ship and you catch just a bit of a break, you can absolutely rain hell on your opponent. I put these ships down as soon as I possibly can when they’re enemy players.
Don't know where you are aiming but I see normal crushers and DD's as snacks in Sherman.
The Sherman is a fun ship, but WG gave it some of the dumbest torpedoes in the game.
At least give the Sherman those odd turning torps like the British BBs get.
I’ve already got Marceau should I get Sherman or Napoli?
@@mrwillmoi Two very different ships. Both of which I enjoy playing. Napoli can be a monster if played correctly and its a bit easier to do well in. Sherman can be a riot if the enemy lets it run rampant.
@@mrwillmoiif you have never experienced gun boat DDs, try the tech tree before (French Kléber line) because some players don’t know how to play Marceau so it stays in their port. And Napoli can be fun, but nowadays in random, I rarely use it, even if it performs well, but in ranked it’s very effective. Just use a good captain build and good modification slots
What about full range build?
Shell flight time to 15km is slightly faster than Des Moines so it technically would be usable, but I typically run DM with 15.8km and Sherman at 15.1km with reload mod in last slot. It would be possible to hit BBs with Sherman past 15km, but not super comfortable. The tradeoff of 12% DPM for the range is probably not worth it, especially considering that more range is higher gun detection bloom, which can make it harder to lob over islands without being detected by a ship to the flank
I find it difficult but very fun to play
My most played ship
I’ve already got Marceau should I get Sherman or Napoli?
@@mrwillmoi Thats up to you and what you play more. There both great ships.
I just got it yesterday lol
I think the answer is YES
This ship is just too slow and do not provide spotting most of time. That will be even more annoying if the enemy have a normal dd on your flank. The dmg farming is ok for gunboat dd, however no spotting not only tortouing yourself but your teamate. I am okay with the gunboat like french one and soviet one but not this one.
You need to know when use your smoke and not
Man I suck in this thing.
+ it's not a fantasy ship! Which is rare these days in wows.
I'll take 50 fantasy ships that are interesting and add fun/different gameplay vs 1 real ship that is absolute crap and hurts the experience.
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Nigh unusable torps, clumsy af, huge, no heal and slow.
This ship is built for smoke farming only. It is powerful in that, but lacks in many other areas that DDs need to do.
Could you do Immelmann or Malta next?
No CV scum here, get lost.
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yes.
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DD's are a joke. BB's running away from DD players. Like that is historically accurate. Nerf their DPM by 90%. Low detection, fine, but their torpedo damage should also be nerfed by at least 50%. BB's are by far the weakest class. No wonder the meta is sniping from distance.
lol, and no complains about CVs and subs? Those class are the real cancer of this game, not DDs
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