The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
Dear Mike: Isn't the combination of the 45/70 and the Winchester 1886 marvelous? Back in my late '20's, (the early 1960"s) the proprietor of my favorite gun shop had for sale on his used rack, a saddle worn light weight 1886 takedown, with a single set trigger, most of the finish was gone due to being carried in a saddle scabbard, and it carried a Lyman No. 1a tang sight along with a Redfield Sourdough front sight with the gold faced surface, it carried a semi-pistol grip with a shotgun style buttplate. The rifle's bore was ruined by corrosive primers even though it was a nickel steel barrel, but the internals were in excellent shape. The owner of the shop had the barrel rebored and properly headspace by a gentleman in Oregon named Ward Kooser, well known for the high quality of his re-bore work. I promptly loaded up a hundred of Elmer's old 45/70 loads featuring Lyman's 405 grain 457193 bullets 1-16, and weighing about 420 grains with 53 grains of 3031. With that load, and with the aid of the single set trigger, I was able to do some excellent shooting, and have taken several deer, elk, and other game with that fine old rifle. The rifle had little wear internally except for the ruined .33 Winchester bore, and is tight and slick as a babies backside, accuracy off the bench for 5 rounds was about 2" at 100 yards for as long as I could bear the recoil. The rifle broke down to about 2 feet in length, making it easy to pack for a hunting trip I now use, for better performance than with 3031, XMR 2495, as much powder as I can get in the case and still crimp it, with the same Lyman/Loverin 457193 HP (back then Lyman would furnish many special order options Including Hollow Points), I also now use their 457122 Gould Express. The 330 grain bullet, (it casts about 10 grains heavier with 1-16 alloy will approximate 30-30 trajectories, and is deadly on large game. I had the rifle restored by a specialist back East in New York, color casehardened receiver, butt plate, hammer etc., with rust blued barrel. This is my favorite rifle, and a real treasure. Can you believe my original purchase with the new bore was only $250? The refinish was of course, much more, very much more, but it is a beautiful rifle, much more useful than if it was in its original .33 Winchester chambering. It is a shame Winchester doesn't really exist anymore, and that the old way of manufacturing is gone forever, that old 1886 was and is a wonderful rifle.
keep up the good work!!! I´d just like to add that the Winchester model 1876 was chambered for the .45-60 and the .45-75 which was a short but fat bottleneck cartridge in order for it to fit in the short model 1876 action. It came prety close to the .45-70 but not quite.
Great video. I like how you truly show the gun and really go into to detail where most vids show the gun at a distance! It really helps when trying to get an understanding of how the guns works engineering wise, witch is always fascinating!
To my knowledge Winchester and Browning didn't fight about royalties. As I understand it Browning preferred selling each of his designs to Winchester for a very hefty, one-time fee. Many of those guns were never put into production. Winchester bought them only to keep them out of the hands of their competitors. Browning knew this, and knew that a flat fee was much better than a royalty deal for a gun that was never produced.
duelist1954 very true , Winchester wasn’t gambling with the fact That John Browning may possibly sell other designs to other gun makers or manufacturers if Winchester didn’t buy so basically Winchester was forced into buying designs that they didn’t even want, but in the end they made out like a bandit
This was a turning point for Winchester in regards to rifles shooting large caliber rifle rounds. The 1866 & 1873 were fantastic rifles but still only handled pistol calibers. The common cartridges were 25-20, 38-55 and 44-40. The military preferred the .50 then .45 caliber cartridges which had to be fired from a single shot rolling/falling block rifle. With Brownings new action a repeater could now handle the govt 45-70 so a civilian could use a repeater to shoot large rifle rounds and since the 45-70 govt was used by the military there was plenty access to the ammo. A few years later this design was instrumental in the 1894 30-30 smokeless with its higher velocity. A great rifle and a great piece of history.
I agree that the 1886 Winchester is one of Brownings best and most famous designs, but I'm an old guy, the kids today think Browning and many don't know what he designed or who the man is. John Browning is the true master of firearms design, he set the standards others can only wish to achieve.
@aethelstanaegen36 Glad you liked it. The article should be in the Winter 2012 edition of Guns of the Old West...out Dec 2011. It was really a lot of fun to do this one.
@fishblade2 The one I tested was from Legacy Sports International. My review of it will be in either the Summer or the Fall issue of Guns of the Old West magazine.
Thanks for making this video. I'm considering buying a 1886. I'm not sure whether to go for the Winchester Miroku 1886 or the Puma-86 that you reviewed. Is one higher quality than the other?
Just put 20% down on the 1885 .45-70 and omfg...so cool. Got an extra month to pay it off since I bought a Canick TP-9 SF (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. I carry it over my Glock 17 now, even my beloved modified Beretta M9 and I honestly like it more than the Springfield XDm series which i own the .40) Anyway, when I was there I looked at the various lever-action rifles and just fell in love, been eyeing them for awhile and I figured IF I was going to go hunting, I'd like to challenge myself with this kinda gun, and it's just fun as hell. (I could be physical liability out there due to injuries sustained overseas, also having one good eye doesn't help, lol. I gotta Rooster Cogburn that shit. I'm not bad though.)
Very nice reproduction 👍. I'm looking at several different companies for a 1886. I want to set one up for long range shooting for fun and hunting at normal range. I will put a Tang sight on it probably Soule Tang. Do you know what barrel length will equal 36" sight radius with a Tang sight? I will have to check out puma is there a specific reason you chose puma? Thanks for sharing
Well, this is the gun that really put him on the map...much more so than the earlier High Wall single shot...so I recon a lot of people are aware of it. I agree that he is best known for the 1911 with maybe the Hi-Power and the B.A.R. tied for #2. But I don't think calling the 1886 one of his most famous designs is off the mark. It has got to be in the top 5.
Nice I have a pedersoli 1886 45-70 with a 26 inch round barrel no rebounding hammer no tang saftey super smooth case color hardened receiver straight grip high grade gloss walnut wood
Hi Mike, I've a Rossi 1892 44 mag, and this is the same mechanism . I had two parts which brokes on my Rossi : Loading gate and ejector . Ejector broke after 300 rounds and this is a problem all over gun makers told me some gunsmith . I load my 44 rounds now with a "smooth" french powder name "A1" by SNPE . On the other side, I lost the 44 mag kick .
It was a test and evaluation gun, so I sent it back after I finished writing the magazine article. But, I thought it showed good quality, as Chiappa built rifles usually do. My personal 1886 is a Miroku built Winchester Extra Light model
I am really torn, I have an 1874 Sharps in 45-70 and it would be convienient to take both to the range with the same ammo....but I am also looking at lever gun in 45 colt...decisions...
Are you responding to someone's comment? Because, as a stand alone comment, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say anything in the video about buying guns in Canada.
nice presentation. i ve jsut baught a 1886 miroku and i read pedersolis are better... i tend to believe you although i read on many forums pedersolis can have feeding problems.... anyway i love mine and i ll buy another miroku but long octogonal barrel. i was wondering if you could tell us or make a vid on when and how you clean your 86 when you shoot black powder. i ve read confusing things on forums. thanks for sharing good vids
I've found the Miroku's too shiny and somehow missing the target in subtle ways, I can tell the difference between one of them and an original from across a large room with a glance of one eye. It is a matter of taste, one could get a professional re-finisher to go over the Miroku to make it look more like the originals, that includes the Brownings as well. The Japanese make excellent replicas, but they just don't "Get It" in the finish and details, they are good shooters though, it is a shame they don't look like the originals, and that darned tang safety is an abomination, I swear that Lawyers and those who listen to them are the Devils Servants, at least concerning fit, finish , and function of firearms, probably in other areas as well! If one has owned an original, he will NEVER be fully satisfied with a Japanese copy. The Italians though, do "Get It" and are much more sensitive to finish and details with their replicas, probably from the advice of Mike Harvey and Val Forgett, though their products too, can be detected as replicas at a considerable distance by a careful eye, mostly by the wood selection and finish. There is nothing quite like the old original '86's in fit, finish, and detail rendering.
I love this weapon, first one I ever shot. I still remember how bad it kicked. Nothing ever kicked like a Winchester 1886. How do you think the weapon handle in the field (late 1800's)? Did it demand to be constantly cleaned to avoid jamming? This is definitely my weapon of choice, but I think I'm biased.
If you can find an '86 with a shotgun butt, (it was a common option) you will find it much more comfortable to shoot. Full power loads will recoil, a lot, and only practice and proper technique will mitigate the kick, there is no free lunch, if you want power, you will be kicked, find an extra light weight version with a shotgun butt, and shoot it off the bench only to develop accurate loads and you will have a fine powerful rifle capable of taking all but the heaviest African game, it will take elk, moose, and bear routinely given proper bullet placement, and proper bullet construction. No kick, no power, it is simple as that, avoid crescent butt plates, and bench shooting and you will do fine.
It might interest folks to know that John Mahon Marlin beat John Moses Browning to the punch with Marlin's first, premiere rifle the Marlin model of 1881. Chambered of course in .45-70 Springfield.
This is true, though the '86 is relatively heavy by modern standards, it was and is in all versions much lighter than Marlin's 1881, and also Marlin's ORIGINAL 1895 as well. The 1881, and 1895 often went over 10 lbs, and even though they were smooth, accurate, and adequately strong, they were awful to carry in the woods. Winchester's extra light weight '86's were about 8lbs, often less depending on the caliber and features, and were superior for handling and for saddle carrying. The late manufactured Marlin 95's are another story, they are almost always under 8lbs, some a lot under that weight. Still the '86 in my view is to be preferred provided it is an extra light weight version, they are a little pricey now if they are original '86's though. I have an original extra light weight takedown rebored from .33 Winchester that has proven an excellent rifle, indeed it is my favorite hunting rifle. I also have an 1980's Marlin '95 with Ballard Rifling (returned it to the factory to get rid of the Micro-Groove barrel) that is also a delight to shoot. Marlin used their ORIGINAL '95 for a light weight version towards the end of the ORIGINAL'S production run, but produced only a few before dropping the model, even that version was heavier than the '86's extra light weight version though.
Not only was he a genius Browning was a smart business man as well, as I read your reply on his selling his designs out right. If you had to pick, what company makes the best .45-70 government replica ? And can it fire smokeless powder as well ? I have always wanted a .45-70 and now is the time to start saving for Christmas,, no don't laugh, $1500 is a lot to shell out these days.
But didn't the Winchester 1866 that King put in the loading port and the forearm make the rifle a sales hit? When Winchester took in Browing, they had a fight about royalties, why not just pay the man royalties and keep him so you would have his smokeless powder genius later on with the "automatic rifles and pistols" that were coming at the end of the 1800s? You still get paid, just have to pay Browing everytime the weapon is sold, so what? A big error on Winchester's part.
Go it. Thanks. That makes more sense. On the John Browing worship people, I think one of the biggest changes was the French smokeless powder - that opened up all automitic pistols - Luger, 1911 Browing etc. Also it wasn't Browing that invented the automatic blowback - it was some French guy and German inventor. Browing's genius was cost savings and easy slide mechansim - I own a 1911 Kimber .40 so I better not be a hypocrite here.
+duelist1954 I have a question ! i just bought a winchester 1886, Its an original made in 1889. Its chambered in 40-82. So my question is : can i put smokeless rounds in there or only black powder?
If the rifle was made after about 1900, it should have a nickel steel barrel with the stamp designating such, the action itself is VERY strong and will accommodate pressures with smokeless powder with ease. If the barrel does not carry the nickel steel designation, you should not stress it too much. The replicas and late manufactured "Winchesters" from Mirouko, Chiappa, and Pederosoli, should be able to withstand the loads designated as appropriate for Marlin's newly manufactured 1895 rifles, about 1900 fps with the 405 grain bullet, and about 2000 to 2100 fps with the 340 bullets, always use cast bullets for long bore life even if the steels will safely handle jacketed bullets, it is best to reserve the jacketed bullets for hunting only, though in truth a 1-16 to 1-20 alloy works as well or better for hunting. Even if an alloy bullet doesn't open up much except for short ranges, a .458/.457 diameter bullet makes a big hole and causes massive bleeding and breaks bone with ease, elk and moose are easily taken, with proper bullet placement.
Hola Carlos. No sé lo que le dio la idea de que hice este video para la Argentina. Estoy en los Estados Unidos, y aunque disfruto de una audiencia en todo el mundo, yo hago mis videos principalmente en Inglés.
Thanks for the education about the toggle link's shortcomings.
Great stuff there.
Learned more about Winchesters than I had ever known from this concise video. Thanks. .
Winchester has always and continues to make one hell of a rifle.
The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
Dear Mike: Isn't the combination of the 45/70 and the Winchester 1886 marvelous? Back in my late '20's, (the early 1960"s) the proprietor of my favorite gun shop had for sale on his used rack, a saddle worn light weight 1886 takedown, with a single set trigger, most of the finish was gone due to being carried in a saddle scabbard, and it carried a Lyman No. 1a tang sight along with a Redfield Sourdough front sight with the gold faced surface, it carried a semi-pistol grip with a shotgun style buttplate. The rifle's bore was ruined by corrosive primers even though it was a nickel steel barrel, but the internals were in excellent shape. The owner of the shop had the barrel rebored and properly headspace by a gentleman in Oregon named Ward Kooser, well known for the high quality of his re-bore work. I promptly loaded up a hundred of Elmer's old 45/70 loads featuring Lyman's 405 grain 457193 bullets 1-16, and weighing about 420 grains with 53 grains of 3031. With that load, and with the aid of the single set trigger, I was able to do some excellent shooting, and have taken several deer, elk, and other game with that fine old rifle. The rifle had little wear internally except for the ruined .33 Winchester bore, and is tight and slick as a babies backside, accuracy off the bench for 5 rounds was about 2" at 100 yards for as long as I could bear the recoil. The rifle broke down to about 2 feet in length, making it easy to pack for a hunting trip I now use, for better performance than with 3031, XMR 2495, as much powder as I can get in the case and still crimp it, with the same Lyman/Loverin 457193 HP (back then Lyman would furnish many special order options Including Hollow Points), I also now use their 457122 Gould Express. The 330 grain bullet, (it casts about 10 grains heavier with 1-16 alloy will approximate 30-30 trajectories, and is deadly on large game. I had the rifle restored by a specialist back East in New York, color casehardened receiver, butt plate, hammer etc., with rust blued barrel. This is my favorite rifle, and a real treasure. Can you believe my original purchase with the new bore was only $250? The refinish was of course, much more, very much more, but it is a beautiful rifle, much more useful than if it was in its original .33 Winchester chambering. It is a shame Winchester doesn't really exist anymore, and that the old way of manufacturing is gone forever, that old 1886 was and is a wonderful rifle.
Donald Denison Lol you suck know one cares douche bag!
Nice Video, simple and informatic
Excellent demo and historical information TY!
Thank you! Love your videos! I want to get started in black powder and these are the most informative videos on TH-cam that I have found.
keep up the good work!!! I´d just like to add that the Winchester model 1876 was chambered for the .45-60 and the .45-75 which was a short but fat bottleneck cartridge in order for it to fit in the short model 1876 action. It came prety close to the .45-70 but not quite.
Great video. I like how you truly show the gun and really go into to detail where most vids show the gun at a distance! It really helps when trying to get an understanding of how the guns works engineering wise, witch is always fascinating!
That looked like a lot of fun.Lots of gunsmoke...so cool.
Dear Mike,
Thankyou very much for the very informative video.
To my knowledge Winchester and Browning didn't fight about royalties. As I understand it Browning preferred selling each of his designs to Winchester for a very hefty, one-time fee. Many of those guns were never put into production. Winchester bought them only to keep them out of the hands of their competitors. Browning knew this, and knew that a flat fee was much better than a royalty deal for a gun that was never produced.
duelist1954 very true , Winchester wasn’t gambling with the fact That John Browning may possibly sell other designs to other gun makers or manufacturers if Winchester didn’t buy so basically Winchester was forced into buying designs that they didn’t even want, but in the end they made out like a bandit
Great video. I really enjoy all your videos. Keep up the great work!
This was a turning point for Winchester in regards to rifles shooting large caliber rifle rounds. The 1866 & 1873 were fantastic rifles but still only handled pistol calibers. The common cartridges were 25-20, 38-55 and 44-40. The military preferred the .50 then .45 caliber cartridges which had to be fired from a single shot rolling/falling block rifle. With Brownings new action a repeater could now handle the govt 45-70 so a civilian could use a repeater to shoot large rifle rounds and since the 45-70 govt was used by the military there was plenty access to the ammo. A few years later this design was instrumental in the 1894 30-30 smokeless with its higher velocity. A great rifle and a great piece of history.
I agree that the 1886 Winchester is one of Brownings best and most famous designs, but I'm an old guy, the kids today think Browning and many don't know what he designed or who the man is. John Browning is the true master of firearms design, he set the standards others can only wish to achieve.
Neat to see one of these fire the historically accurate black powder for it's time period.
Beautiful!
I've been waiting for this one for a while. Awesome!
so i can get a Lever action or Single action 45-70 rifle and Shoot black or smokeless?
I know that this type of rifle is powerful, because I have a MARLIN 44-40. MODEL 1894! congratulations on the video and the beautiful weapon ...
@aethelstanaegen36 Glad you liked it. The article should be in the Winter 2012 edition of Guns of the Old West...out Dec 2011. It was really a lot of fun to do this one.
It shoots any .45-70 load, black powder or smokeless.
@fishblade2 The one I tested was from Legacy Sports International. My review of it will be in either the Summer or the Fall issue of Guns of the Old West magazine.
Man that legacy sports gun is so beautiful cant seem to find it anywhere on a search though, must not make them anymore?
Can you provide an update on this rifle? I am considering the Puma myself, but I have heard mixed reports... Thanks
Thanks for making this video. I'm considering buying a 1886. I'm not sure whether to go for the Winchester Miroku 1886 or the Puma-86 that you reviewed. Is one higher quality than the other?
One of John Browning's most famous designs, the Winchester 1886 rif
well done mike
Another nice video Mike! Liked the black powder shooting at the end! What were you using?
Just put 20% down on the 1885 .45-70 and omfg...so cool. Got an extra month to pay it off since I bought a Canick TP-9 SF (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. I carry it over my Glock 17 now, even my beloved modified Beretta M9 and I honestly like it more than the Springfield XDm series which i own the .40)
Anyway, when I was there I looked at the various lever-action rifles and just fell in love, been eyeing them for awhile and I figured IF I was going to go hunting, I'd like to challenge myself with this kinda gun, and it's just fun as hell. (I could be physical liability out there due to injuries sustained overseas, also having one good eye doesn't help, lol. I gotta Rooster Cogburn that shit. I'm not bad though.)
Joe Cannabyte; Go Joe Go!! And TY!
Very nice reproduction 👍. I'm looking at several different companies for a 1886. I want to set one up for long range shooting for fun and hunting at normal range. I will put a Tang sight on it probably Soule Tang. Do you know what barrel length will equal 36" sight radius with a Tang sight? I will have to check out puma is there a specific reason you chose puma? Thanks for sharing
Yes. It is plenty powerful for red deer or elk.
the pedersoli version , " 86 / 71 " is not to be overlooked .
How many rounds that replica you fired can hold and is it historically accuarte number?
can you please tell me where you found this and if any replicas that are out there now are worth buying?
Yup. I'm the Bad Guy's View" fellow. Lately a lot of folks just call it the "BGV"...the American love of acronyms, I guess.
is the new Winchester 1886 actually made by Browning ???
Not easy to find in europe . It ask a lot of patience but Pedersoli made one . I saw once the same as yours (Miroku made) . Nice !
Well, this is the gun that really put him on the map...much more so than the earlier High Wall single shot...so I recon a lot of people are aware of it. I agree that he is best known for the 1911 with maybe the Hi-Power and the B.A.R. tied for #2. But I don't think calling the 1886 one of his most famous designs is off the mark. It has got to be in the top 5.
sweet video thanks!
Nice I have a pedersoli 1886 45-70 with a 26 inch round barrel no rebounding hammer no tang saftey super smooth case color hardened receiver straight grip high grade gloss walnut wood
How is that Puma holding up?
Hi Mike, I've a Rossi 1892 44 mag, and this is the same mechanism . I had two parts which brokes on my Rossi : Loading gate and ejector . Ejector broke after 300 rounds and this is a problem all over gun makers told me some gunsmith . I load my 44 rounds now with a "smooth" french powder name "A1" by SNPE . On the other side, I lost the 44 mag kick .
when did they start making bullets, from just black powder?
Great stuff! Smoooooooooooooooke!!
Hey can i have some information about Kentucky rifle i found it in my shed
can someone tell me what's the strongest between the Marlin 4570 vs Winchester 45 70 which one can be loaded to out perform the other. thank you.
What's the going price on one of these rifles?
so this is a modern firearm that shoots only Black Powder Loads? were can u buy these
Que tal, disculpe estoy interesado en un winchester 44-40. soy de Mexico y me gustaria saber si sabe donde puedo conseguir uno. gracias
It was a test and evaluation gun, so I sent it back after I finished writing the magazine article. But, I thought it showed good quality, as Chiappa built rifles usually do. My personal 1886 is a Miroku built Winchester Extra Light model
Thanks for sharing your demonstration. How is the crescent butt stock for comfort and recoil on your shoulder...?
I shoot it with black powder, so recoil isn't bad at all
You should live in the wild west. You're awesome!
I've only fired .45's. I cant tell you how much i wanna shoot a winchester rifle.
I am really torn, I have an 1874 Sharps in 45-70 and it would be convienient to take both to the range with the same ammo....but I am also looking at lever gun in 45 colt...decisions...
Are you responding to someone's comment? Because, as a stand alone comment, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say anything in the video about buying guns in Canada.
nice presentation. i ve jsut baught a 1886 miroku and i read pedersolis are better... i tend to believe you although i read on many forums pedersolis can have feeding problems.... anyway i love mine and i ll buy another miroku but long octogonal barrel.
i was wondering if you could tell us or make a vid on when and how you clean your 86 when you shoot black powder. i ve read confusing things on forums.
thanks for sharing good vids
I've found the Miroku's too shiny and somehow missing the target in subtle ways, I can tell the difference between one of them and an original from across a large room with a glance of one eye. It is a matter of taste, one could get a professional re-finisher to go over the Miroku to make it look more like the originals, that includes the Brownings as well. The Japanese make excellent replicas, but they just don't "Get It" in the finish and details, they are good shooters though, it is a shame they don't look like the originals, and that darned tang safety is an abomination, I swear that Lawyers and those who listen to them are the Devils Servants, at least concerning fit, finish , and function of firearms, probably in other areas as well! If one has owned an original, he will NEVER be fully satisfied with a Japanese copy. The Italians though, do "Get It" and are much more sensitive to finish and details with their replicas, probably from the advice of Mike Harvey and Val Forgett, though their products too, can be detected as replicas at a considerable distance by a careful eye, mostly by the wood selection and finish. There is nothing quite like the old original '86's in fit, finish, and detail rendering.
A 405 grain, .457 bullet and 65 grains of 2Fg Goex black powder.
Yup. I assume you mean single shot, not single action.
I love this weapon, first one I ever shot. I still remember how bad it kicked. Nothing ever kicked like a Winchester 1886. How do you think the weapon handle in the field (late 1800's)? Did it demand to be constantly cleaned to avoid jamming? This is definitely my weapon of choice, but I think I'm biased.
If you can find an '86 with a shotgun butt, (it was a common option) you will find it much more comfortable to shoot. Full power loads will recoil, a lot, and only practice and proper technique will mitigate the kick, there is no free lunch, if you want power, you will be kicked, find an extra light weight version with a shotgun butt, and shoot it off the bench only to develop accurate loads and you will have a fine powerful rifle capable of taking all but the heaviest African game, it will take elk, moose, and bear routinely given proper bullet placement, and proper bullet construction. No kick, no power, it is simple as that, avoid crescent butt plates, and bench shooting and you will do fine.
Crippling from one end and death from the other. I like the recoil.
do you have a 1876 rifle
It might interest folks to know that John Mahon Marlin beat John Moses Browning to the punch with Marlin's first, premiere rifle the Marlin model of 1881. Chambered of course in .45-70 Springfield.
This is true, though the '86 is relatively heavy by modern standards, it was and is in all versions much lighter than Marlin's 1881, and also Marlin's ORIGINAL 1895 as well. The 1881, and 1895 often went over 10 lbs, and even though they were smooth, accurate, and adequately strong, they were awful to carry in the woods. Winchester's extra light weight '86's were about 8lbs, often less depending on the caliber and features, and were superior for handling and for saddle carrying. The late manufactured Marlin 95's are another story, they are almost always under 8lbs, some a lot under that weight. Still the '86 in my view is to be preferred provided it is an extra light weight version, they are a little pricey now if they are original '86's though. I have an original extra light weight takedown rebored from .33 Winchester that has proven an excellent rifle, indeed it is my favorite hunting rifle. I also have an 1980's Marlin '95 with Ballard Rifling (returned it to the factory to get rid of the Micro-Groove barrel) that is also a delight to shoot. Marlin used their ORIGINAL '95 for a light weight version towards the end of the ORIGINAL'S production run, but produced only a few before dropping the model, even that version was heavier than the '86's extra light weight version though.
Marlin had a lot of first!
Didn't Browning get really angry with Winchester not planning to sell the Auto-5?
Not only was he a genius Browning was a smart business man as well, as I read your reply on his selling his designs out right.
If you had to pick, what company makes the best .45-70 government replica ? And can it fire smokeless powder as well ? I have always wanted a .45-70 and now is the time to start saving for Christmas,, no don't laugh, $1500 is a lot to shell out these days.
I'm not laughing, believe me. I love my Winchester Extra Light, but I think Pedersoli has the best 1886 action.
i want to thank Rockstar so much for makeing RDR. Without it i wouldnt be into westerns.
No. If I had it to do over again, I'd get the Pedersoli, but I already have a Miroku, and the difference isn't worth switching for.
But didn't the Winchester 1866 that King put in the loading port and the forearm make the rifle a sales hit? When Winchester took in Browing, they had a fight about royalties, why not just pay the man royalties and keep him so you would have his smokeless powder genius later on with the "automatic rifles and pistols" that were coming at the end of the 1800s? You still get paid, just have to pay Browing everytime the weapon is sold, so what? A big error on Winchester's part.
@duelist1954 My most favorite magazine ever!!
*accurate Sorry about the typo.
One of John Browning's most famous design? You think the average joe has heard of this over a BAR or 1911?
I think the Pedersolis have a smoother action. Personally I own a Miroku 1886
@BUDDAYandSKIP Absolutely!
Go it. Thanks. That makes more sense. On the John Browing worship people, I think one of the biggest changes was the French smokeless powder - that opened up all automitic pistols - Luger, 1911 Browing etc. Also it wasn't Browing that invented the automatic blowback - it was some French guy and German inventor. Browing's genius was cost savings and easy slide mechansim - I own a 1911 Kimber .40 so I better not be a hypocrite here.
Are there any factory cartridges that are recommended for use in an original 1886, (45-70)?
This gun has a very strong action. Any factory ammo should be safe to shoot
+duelist1954 Thanks! That's good to know.
+duelist1954 I have a question ! i just bought a winchester 1886, Its an original made in 1889. Its chambered in 40-82. So my question is : can i put smokeless rounds in there or only black powder?
***** yeah, I fired the gun since with black powder. I did some research and you're never supposed to switch in between the two.
If the rifle was made after about 1900, it should have a nickel steel barrel with the stamp designating such, the action itself is VERY strong and will accommodate pressures with smokeless powder with ease. If the barrel does not carry the nickel steel designation, you should not stress it too much. The replicas and late manufactured "Winchesters" from Mirouko, Chiappa, and Pederosoli, should be able to withstand the loads designated as appropriate for Marlin's newly manufactured 1895 rifles, about 1900 fps with the 405 grain bullet, and about 2000 to 2100 fps with the 340 bullets, always use cast bullets for long bore life even if the steels will safely handle jacketed bullets, it is best to reserve the jacketed bullets for hunting only, though in truth a 1-16 to 1-20 alloy works as well or better for hunting. Even if an alloy bullet doesn't open up much except for short ranges, a .458/.457 diameter bullet makes a big hole and causes massive bleeding and breaks bone with ease, elk and moose are easily taken, with proper bullet placement.
Nice to know the reason.
Hola Carlos. No sé lo que le dio la idea de que hice este video para la Argentina. Estoy en los Estados Unidos, y aunque disfruto de una audiencia en todo el mundo, yo hago mis videos principalmente en Inglés.
Lo siento, pero no sé donde se pueden comprar armas en México
Thanks.
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Ooooh how I vie for a lever action in .45-70
Winchester.1886 Wooooooooow
I think the Miroku is a bit better made.
Mine from wincheser japan is in 4590
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I want one of those. lol
I like my new 4590 1886
Why do most gun guys insist on calling cartridges "shells"? Surely a shell is an expended cartridge?
Joe Debono You Suck and so those your question! lower your head in shame!
Handels more than 4570 50 .110
Reminds me of red dead redemption.
New ones are stronger than marlins.
PB
the ak47 of the 19th century xd
looks like a hillbllie lugar action.l
Not a fan of firearms, but this is one classy rifle.
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