Marlin's quality is a solid maybe, Winchester costs more than ever and is made in Japan, Henry is pretty good if you can look around the modern parts, and Rossi, well I won't even go there. Life sure has gotten tough for the lever gun crowd. I guess it's Uberti from here on out. Oh how I miss the days off American MADE Winchester 94's for under $200 new. Oh well, great video as always Mike.
What makes you say that Winchester almost passed on the 1886? My understanding is that T.G. Bennett paid something like $50K for the patent and was quick to do so because he asked J.M.B. to design him a repeating lever action for the most powerful cartridges of the time.
It's a shame but in my opinion the ones closest to the original, smooth operating browning design are being made by Pedersoli. Great guns with no tang safety! Your rifle is still absolutely gorgeous.
ive got one of these miroku winchester's in what they call short rifle version . i put a william's peep sight on it and its a beauty to shoot . i use 46 grains of varget powder under a 390 hc bullet with a winchester magnum primer . deadly accurate combo . sorry about yours but my action is silky smooth . the boys at miroku make a beautiful firearm that's second to none in my eyes . happy shootin !!
I just picked up one of these out of production Extra Lights and the fit/finish and overall build quality is superlative. Probably better or at least equal to the originals.
I bought a badly used and stored version of this extra light rifle. I had it rebarrel it and the smith who restored it hollowed out the buttstock and filled it with expanding foam. He fitted a nice thick recoil pad and installed a receiver mounted peep sight. The refinish of steel and wood makes it a fine rifle. I like the 24 inch barrel. , it balances well. With the basic price of $500 and another $600 to restore it, I got away with a bargain
Nice video as always. I have an original 1886 chambered in .40-82 WCF. It's too bad that it's such an off caliber. One of these days I'm going to have to buy the dies and some brass so I can shoot it.
Great shooting Mike! I need to get one for the long range shoot side matches, and hunting too! You are going to make me go broke trying to keep up with new toys!
Do you have a cleaning video on this rifle? What I am wondering is how easy/difficult it is to maintain after it's had black powder put through it. Thanks
With black powder the recoil doesn't look too bad in the extra light but how is it with full power smokeless 405 grains? I think it's a beautiful handy rifle. Thanks
Beautiful rifle Mike, and a great video; thanks for sharing that! I encountered chambering failures on my BP rounds; the ogive on big lube bullets I was using proved too fat for the short leade on my Miroku, and I've had to abandon the big lube design. Can you tell me which bullet mould you're using?
I should have remembered; I watched your video where you did just that. I'm not sure what I think about that bevel base, but I doubt it is an issue with BP anyway. Thanks.
I have two places where I do long range shooting, but they really aren't conducive to making videos. But I have a Sharps article planned...just waiting on the rifle from Chiappa...I'll try to get some long range video on that.
Mike, I have an 1886 Extra Light just like your’s there. Bought it for same reasons you say. Mine just failed to fire on three consecutive cartridges. Problem was light firing pin strike. Yes, they went off on second or third try, but all FTFires from light strikes do. I think it’s this damn multi piece pin and rebounding hammer . I’m writing to see if you’ve ever experienced same fail on yours?
No. I never had that happen. I traded that rifle years ago to a friend who wanted it for hog hunting. He's been hunting with it for seven years, and has had no problems, as far as I know.
Thanks Mike. And… I’m professional full time licensed gunsmith; Northern Magnetic LLC /. NorMag Gunsmithing, Fredonia WI. NOT an ad ; just that gunsmiths can see gun problems on their own guns just like everyone else. In gun repair (35 years) I rarely deviate from factory design & construction and am slow to jump to an opinion on how to ‘fix’ a problem. You’d be amazed at my paper-book library and volumes of our own drawings, notes, service procedures we’ve written and yes, we refer to internet. The difference is when we watch or read things on internet, we can separate the chaff from the nuggets of truth. Internet reference is mainly for saving time than actually being ignorant on a subject. How does this apply to Mike at Duelist1954 ? Because of your obvious imperical gained knowledge, we listen to you. And yes, we get Civil War era weapons in for repair and some even earlier. Remingtons, Colt’s Berdans, … but getting off track. Thank you for getting back regarding the tang-safety USRA Miroku 1886. I’m NOT going to redesign! Wish I had hog hunter friend . Thanks again. There’s a complicated latch that prevents forward firing pin movement until that outer blocking tube moves forward. Likely a timing issue slowing down energy hammer puts into the center, actual firing pin. Sorry; but WAY too complicated! If anyone’s works well, good for you because it’s a beautiful made gun of sort of 1886 design (shape & looks).
@@thatsthewayitgoes9 Thanks. I get a lot of requests to work on other people's guns, but I always tell them that I'm not a trained gunsmith, so I won't work on any guns but my own. I always tell them to find a gunsmith in their area to do the work.
If you really want a Winchester 1886 try the pedersoli in 45-70 in round barrel and twenty six inch barrel far superior no safety just a half cock also color case hardened butiful high gloss American walnut
It may be for those "liability considerations", but with a four-part firing pin and a five-part trigger, it is my belief that the gun is simply over-engineered.
It may be a Winchester rifle, but I will never consider any Japanese-made Winchester to be a real Winchester. Especially with those extra, and very un-neccesary, parts. :-)
@@michaelbrooker1433 Yes, but you can buy an Italian 1886 clone that is much more faithful than than the Japanese clone (having the legal right to use the name Winchester doesn't make it any more authenticate than the Italian model).
That is the coolest levergun I've ever seen. I want one in 45-90. Miroku makes quality rifles and shotguns
what a great looking gun
Marlin's quality is a solid maybe, Winchester costs more than ever and is made in Japan, Henry is pretty good if you can look around the modern parts, and Rossi, well I won't even go there. Life sure has gotten tough for the lever gun crowd. I guess it's Uberti from here on out. Oh how I miss the days off American MADE Winchester 94's for under $200 new. Oh well, great video as always Mike.
What makes you say that Winchester almost passed on the 1886? My understanding is that T.G. Bennett paid something like $50K for the patent and was quick to do so because he asked J.M.B. to design him a repeating lever action for the most powerful cartridges of the time.
I have 2 with consecutive serial numbers my wood is beautiful with several knots beautiful gun u have
I do like your hat with the pencil roll brim. My Xtra light does not have a problem chambering a round.
very nice rifle great shooting
It's a shame but in my opinion the ones closest to the original, smooth operating browning design are being made by Pedersoli. Great guns with no tang safety! Your rifle is still absolutely gorgeous.
Japanese or not I like it.
ive got one of these miroku winchester's in what they call short rifle version . i put a william's peep sight on it and its a beauty to shoot . i use 46 grains of varget powder under a 390 hc bullet with a winchester magnum primer . deadly accurate combo . sorry about yours but my action is silky smooth . the boys at miroku make a beautiful firearm that's second to none in my eyes . happy shootin !!
I just picked up one of these out of production Extra Lights and the fit/finish and overall build quality is superlative. Probably better or at least equal to the originals.
Old school and I like it!
Thanks again Mike for another great video!
I hear ya, but It is as real as you can get these days.
That’s a nice hat!
Beautiful Gun Mike.
A work of art.
I bought a badly used and stored version of this extra light rifle. I had it rebarrel it and the smith who restored it hollowed out the buttstock and filled it with expanding foam. He fitted a nice thick recoil pad and installed a receiver mounted peep sight. The refinish of steel and wood makes it a fine rifle. I like the 24 inch barrel. , it balances well. With the basic price of $500 and another $600 to restore it, I got away with a bargain
Nice video as always. I have an original 1886 chambered in .40-82 WCF. It's too bad that it's such an off caliber. One of these days I'm going to have to buy the dies and some brass so I can shoot it.
Beautiful rifle! Thanks for sharing.
Great shooting Mike! I need to get one for the long range shoot side matches, and hunting too! You are going to make me go broke trying to keep up with new toys!
Do you have a cleaning video on this rifle? What I am wondering is how easy/difficult it is to maintain after it's had black powder put through it.
Thanks
Lasercast 405 grain. I heat them in the oven to melt out the modern lube, then I lube them with my B-P lube.
This one came from D Bar J in Las Vegas. It is a copy of the Everett Hitch hat from the movie Appaloosa.
How loud is this rifle?
What is the rebounding hammer trying to protect us from?
Great video.
With black powder the recoil doesn't look too bad in the extra light but how is it with full power smokeless 405 grains? I think it's a beautiful handy rifle. Thanks
Beautiful rifle Mike, and a great video; thanks for sharing that! I encountered chambering failures on my BP rounds; the ogive on big lube bullets I was using proved too fat for the short leade on my Miroku, and I've had to abandon the big lube design. Can you tell me which bullet mould you're using?
well done, enjoyed
Great vid. I love .45-70, wish I could hunt with it in IL.
Why can’t you use .45-70 for deer?
Looks like fun! : )
I should have remembered; I watched your video where you did just that. I'm not sure what I think about that bevel base, but I doubt it is an issue with BP anyway. Thanks.
Another great video, what is the bullet weight & black power loading of your 45-70 cartridges?
Mike I enjoy your work and watch every video you post. Brother, you have GOT to find a place to do some longer range shooting!
I wish they'd bring the extra light model back.
I have two places where I do long range shooting, but they really aren't conducive to making videos. But I have a Sharps article planned...just waiting on the rifle from Chiappa...I'll try to get some long range video on that.
Why did they make the firing pin and the trigger more complicated?
I want to know how much a winchester 1886 cal 45/70 "lightweigth"
where do you get your hats?
Mike, I have an 1886 Extra Light just like your’s there. Bought it for same reasons you say. Mine just failed to fire on three consecutive cartridges. Problem was light firing pin strike. Yes, they went off on second or third try, but all FTFires from light strikes do. I think it’s this damn multi piece pin and rebounding hammer . I’m writing to see if you’ve ever experienced same fail on yours?
No. I never had that happen. I traded that rifle years ago to a friend who wanted it for hog hunting. He's been hunting with it for seven years, and has had no problems, as far as I know.
Thanks Mike. And… I’m professional full time licensed gunsmith; Northern Magnetic LLC /. NorMag Gunsmithing, Fredonia WI. NOT an ad ; just that gunsmiths can see gun problems on their own guns just like everyone else. In gun repair (35 years) I rarely deviate from factory design & construction and am slow to jump to an opinion on how to ‘fix’ a problem. You’d be amazed at my paper-book library and volumes of our own drawings, notes, service procedures we’ve written and yes, we refer to internet. The difference is when we watch or read things on internet, we can separate the chaff from the nuggets of truth. Internet reference is mainly for saving time than actually being ignorant on a subject. How does this apply to Mike at Duelist1954 ? Because of your obvious imperical gained knowledge, we listen to you. And yes, we get Civil War era weapons in for repair and some even earlier. Remingtons, Colt’s Berdans, … but getting off track. Thank you for getting back regarding the tang-safety USRA Miroku 1886. I’m NOT going to redesign! Wish I had hog hunter friend . Thanks again. There’s a complicated latch that prevents forward firing pin movement until that outer blocking tube moves forward. Likely a timing issue slowing down energy hammer puts into the center, actual firing pin. Sorry; but WAY too complicated! If anyone’s works well, good for you because it’s a beautiful made gun of sort of 1886 design (shape & looks).
@@thatsthewayitgoes9 Thanks. I get a lot of requests to work on other people's guns, but I always tell them that I'm not a trained gunsmith, so I won't work on any guns but my own. I always tell them to find a gunsmith in their area to do the work.
If you really want a Winchester 1886 try the pedersoli in 45-70 in round barrel and twenty six inch barrel far superior no safety just a half cock also color case hardened butiful high gloss American walnut
It may be for those "liability considerations", but with a four-part firing pin and a five-part trigger, it is my belief that the gun is simply over-engineered.
Nothing beets an old 45 70 levergun
Pedersoli makes a great reproduction
That gun is rated to 50.000 cup so i have been told
Tang safety and rebounding hammer? Me no likey!
I really want a 45-70 but I'm only 14 haha
OMG YOU LOOK LIKE CHUCK TESTA! lol
So this is $1,200. How much would a truly original in working order cost?
Bring production back to the United States and, you can call it a real Winchester. No Sale!!!
blueringoctopuss this is why I bought a marlin 1895 in 45-70
The tang safety does it for me. Would rather buy an original or Italian replica.
It may be a Winchester rifle, but I will never consider any Japanese-made Winchester to be a real Winchester. Especially with those extra, and very un-neccesary, parts. :-)
It was made in Japan, which means it is NOT a real Winchester.
They still are fine rifles
Why would you even handle, let alone shoot a Japanese Winchester?
Probably for the same reason many buy Italian Colt clones, we aren't rich.
@@michaelbrooker1433 Yes, but you can buy an Italian 1886 clone that is much more faithful than than the Japanese clone (having the legal right to use the name Winchester doesn't make it any more authenticate than the Italian model).
hold your reviews elsewhere the background gun noise is annoying
You lost me on the tang safety. I have no interest.