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Chapters:
00:00 - Why so many recommend Linux Mint
01:20 - The problem with "Windows Desktop Environments"
02:39 - Installation experience
03:33 - Linux Mint overview
05:03 - The File Manager
05:57 - Theming, Fractional Scaling, Wayland and more
08:16 - Some minor things
09:59 - Conclusion
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One thing i hate with Linux, is how nerdy it can get. The thing i like with Mint, is that you can just download your apps with the interface, and update your entire system without using a single terminal command, that is what most windows users are looking for... Oh, and Cinamoon looks great.
Fr. For some reason Linux fanboys don't seem to notice how much people don't want to use the terminal. They're usually programmers or coders which is why they don't see it as a big deal, but most people want to use the machine without having to memorize commands
@@kylespevak6781 I could handle MS-DOS ok, and i didn't mind typing commands, but that was 20 years ago. I was reading a thread in a forum while ago, and there was someone that create a thread asking advise for Linux, one of his expectation was the pure GUI enviorement. I didn't posted nothing, because sadly Linux is still an heavy comand line OS, you can do stuff with the GUI, but all advanced option are exclusevely for terminal, that is the sad truth.
Apt-get install
Not hard, but yes I get ya thats why something like Dolphin exists just click install
Eh, Cinnamon doesn't look great to me personally.
@@StripesInTheYT Same.
It has always been a mystery to me why is it described as "beautiful", "simple" and "modern" so often.
The only explanation I suggest is that many people consider Cinnamon's design similar to Windows they've been used for so long time, but let's be jonest: even the Win10 is already way far from modern design standarts.
_(and certainly not simplier than 11th)_
I picked Mint for my mother's pc because it is so close to the Windows look/feel. She is 67 and set in her ways about an OS. She barely noticed the difference when I switched her to Mint.
I have been on Linux Mint for several years, and I didn't know that you can bookmark locations in the file manager. Two things that I find very useful in the Cinnamon file manager that weren't mentioned are: Favorites and Pinning files. Favorites can be used to pin files (unlike Bookmarking) or folders, and they will appear in your Menu under Favorites. Pinning will pin a file to the top of the folder, and it will stay there regardless of the folder sorting.
Oh wow it's Olbaze! Didn't expect to find you here. btw, big fan of your Tekken data charts.
@@tidjane2001 I didn't expect to be recognized outside of the Tekken space. Does this make me officially internet famous?
It's among the most intuitive distros for those coming from Windows. The performance is good. Many of the distros have a confusing front end - Fedora, etc are less than intuitive for Windows users. Zorin OS has good possibilities - I like their fonts used for Libre Office. And the appearance of software store between Mint and Gnome is a matter of taste - frankly I like Mint's better.
Open Suse has probably the most mature and complete set of settings and what not - but it's not really overly friendly to new uses.
I understand your point about a new system requires learning everything new - and your position truly does have it's merit. I don't mind Ubuntu's implementation - I really don't like Fedora's, OpenSuse is somewhere in the middle.
I'd steer anybody who is willing to try Linux that isn't tech savvy to Zorin or Mint. Familiarity will generally help in adoption. If they come in and get frustrated right away they are likely to give up and go back with what they know - the virus otherwise known as Windows.
Do not call Windows a virus...
Call it spyware instead.
I liked it because when I ran into problems, I jumped into the IRC chat and the folks there were friendly and happily helped me. When I first tried Linux YEARS ago, it was maybe Fedora, or Debian, I can't recall, I didnt know what I was doing. I didnt understand the information I was reading, so I found an IRC channel for support and got rudely told to RTFM....I did! But I didn't understand it lol.
Mint was so easy to come over to. The install made sense. The layout made sense. The community was helpful. I have moved on from Mint, but I still suggest it to everyone as a starting point into the Linux world.
RTFM is good advise. You cannot expect someone in chat to transcribe documentation for you. Even if they wanted to they'd probably make some mistakes. Precision matters! Understanding comes in time when proper effort is made. Do the work!
That was probably Arch...
hey ur one of my new favourite linux nerds
I've used Kali and Ubuntu VMs for various classes, and Mint just made the most sense to me. The UI is incredibly consistent, and the simple driver manager fixed a lot of problems that would have had me running back to Windows otherwise.
While I continue to have multiple distros on a USB drive to try something new, I tend to stick with Mint for how quick it is to setup and not having to do anything beyond updates and theming after install. I don't have to manually add flatpak support, get media codecs, or find out how to install an Nvidia driver. This is great for Linux newcomers, but I'd argue it can also be great for more experienced users that just want to use their computer without spending extra time setting up their system.
"This is great for Linux newcomers, but I'd argue it can also be great for more experienced users that just want to use their computer without spending extra time setting up their system." This describes most folks with computers, especially desktops. This is why I love Mint, the devs get that.
I'm not new to Linux but switched from Ubuntu to Mint (Cinnamon) since I liked how most of the UI just made sense out of the gates. It's handling of drivers (Nvidia) is nice and simple which I appreciate since that's stuff I hate getting working.
When I switched to Linux, I had no problem using Ubuntu desktop's dock. But I ended up switching to MATE desktop, as I liked the layout of the panels, the customizability is insane, and I was able to use the plank dock without much trouble. If I only had 2 desktops to choose from, I'd choose either MATE or XFCE.
Eveyone has preferences and it seems like you already figured out yours ☺️
@@MichaelNROH and I've only been using Linux for about 2 years.
not just for windows users or linux newbies ... I really like mint. If you dont like theming, you can always install some gtk theme and panel etc. Dracula theme , plank dock and rofi is my go to mint setup
Linux Mint,this is the Best Distro of All time....
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arch and fedora exist
@@olekaleksander arch?is that religious incels cult of wai fu?Arch is very murican and Arch Sucks,for me its MInt,Opensuse,this is the real distros not toy distros
@@fabricio4794 holy based
opensuse
I'm a programmer, I know how to use the terminal... I've used many Linux distros... And Linux Mint is the most beginner friendly and simple distros. I like it's simplicity to install and update the system without breaking anything.
I love Linux Mint a lot, it was my first Linux distro and I still recommend it to newcomers and veterans due the great OOTB experience, but I don't use it anymore due the lack of both Wayland and Pipewire (the later can be fixed however)
Currently daily driving Ubuntu (GNOME) along with openSUSE TW (KDE) and currently have no plans for switching, GNOME and KDE are currently the most mature and polished DEs imo, their Wayland support is amazing and the experience is really good, but for sure the day that Mint gets Wayland support I would probably go back instantly (also they are going to add mousepad gestures next release!)
PS: Nice wallpaper! looks beautiful, what is the name?
Please don't ask it's name 😅
Tbh, I don't even know. Just search for minimalistic sunset and it should pop up somewhere
KDE and polished in one sentence 😂
That's a really good point, if something looks and acts similar to something you're used to, it's pretty easy to get frustrated when it behaves differently in some cases. I know I've been there multiple times.
If you don't like how software behaves edit the code until it works how you want it to. I use an icon tray and when I changed my left hand monitor it started opening to the left. I didn't like that. I figured there must be some command line switch to adjust that behavior. I was wrong. So I changed the code so it had to open to the right. Now everything is right in my world. It used to just open to whichever side of the screen was bigger. Which if you're moving it around makes sense. The dev didn't know where you'd put it. I like it one particular place though. Opening one particular way.
excited to see u grow as a youtuber and what more content u make.. i hope you post vids more frequently
Would be interesting to do a comparison in a few days when the next Mint release is out.
Maybe I missed something in video but actually u CAN make a desktop shortcut from apps menu. Just right-click the app u want to put on a desktop and press... I don't know how it labeled in English but something like "Put on desktop". That's it, the icon appears and u can start the app from desktop shortcut :)
Why MINT / Cinnamon is best for an old MS Windows users? Well, let's back up a bit. First us old folks have to be able to install the beast. Second it has to actually run on the restart or is it reboot. Being really lucky, I had a hardware test system and tried out several distributions, and did my research about what printers would work with GNU Linux, so that worked out well. It turns out that MINT was the first one that met those goals. And it installed on laptops, Ryzen builds, and generally lets us do what we want to. At just past 70, we are from different generations for sure, but are both capable of ditching MS Windows, and that must validate something, grin. PS I like that this Ryzen box in front of me is MY System, with only what I want installed on it. Both Apple and Microsoft can go bother somebody else.
As a Windows user (11) at home and (10) at work, and having used everything from 3.1 to 11, i can say with hand on heart a windows user can and will be able to navigate just about any DE, be it Gnome or XFCE etc. what we don't want to do is open the terminal and have to spend hours on google looking for work arounds in the hope something works. Well maybe that's how it used to be, i have a dual set up W11 and Endevour OS. I finally got my Logitech G13 working on it and im doing a timeshift now to capture the system in case i break something. I do love KDE its very customisable and easy to use, as a windows user its almost identical to XP or 7. I think as long as the distro supports your hardware well and has a good app store, windows users will find it easy to move across. What i find confusing is watching many channels all with varying opinions, like DONT USE SnApS! or FlaTPacK are bad and here is why you need to do this, the community really needs to move away from negative comments or really elaborate and explain why Systemd is bad for example. For me this OS is the most stable so far and i tried Kubuntu, Pop_os! (which is fabulous btw) Suse Leap and fianlly Endevour.
Individuals vary. Some people go catatonic if you move an icon a smidge on their desktop. They simply cannot process change at all. The fundamentals of computing really haven't changed. Text interfaces and workarounds is what makes them tick. That is true even for the big commercial OSes. They hide it better but under the skin that's what's going on.
For years i occasionally remember to try linux again, and even though i see improvement graphic issues destroy the experience for me
You can create desktop icons from the cinnamon applications menu. If you right click something in the cinnamon applications menu it will drop down a list of extra options including creating a desktop icon, nice and easy.
The Software Manager and Update Manager have great Flatpak integration, and the latter allows for very easy management of Linux kernels.
The flatpak integration is actually not that bad. For example, last I checked it wasn't possible to download plugins for OBS on Plasma, but on Mint they were all there.
This could apply to other applications as well who offer Plugins on Flathub.
About 5:25 - You can do that on Gnome (I think you mean Nautilus?) as well, but you first have to create a file template in ~/Templates (~/Vorlagen). Then you can create any file that's in there via the right-click context menu. Although I wonder why there's no default option for an empty file :/
Yeah, it's not that convinient since it is a feature that is used quite often
Baie Dankie, Thank You for this video, good solid information as Always!! Linux Noob(whatever that means), been on Linux for 18 months and using an Arch based distro and loving the learning process and have not had any issues that could not be fixed!! Great Channel,
I wanted to try mint for school work in a vm. Customized it really nice how I wanted. Did an apt update and the repos were broken. I really wish it worked because it made me love the environment. I also wish i had the time to fix the problem, maybe I'll come back to it
I absolutely love the Cinnamon desktop environment, it makes it so easy for Windows users to just jump in and get started right away, everything is familiar and it's super fast and stable. But I'd only recommend using Cinnamon on ubuntu and debian-based distros as that seems to be where its at its best because I personally had bad experiences with it on Arch-based distros. The main problem, which also seems to be a common one for Arch users, is Cinnamon has some horrendous stutters, so much so it can make a system unusable, and after searching far and wide for an answer it seems nobody has figured out what causes it nor how to fix it. So if you like the Windows-style look of Cinnamon, then it's best to only use it in Linux Mint since the Mint team specifically developed it for this distro.
Cinnamon on Fedora is also not that great out of the box since it is missing a software store. Not the best choice for beginners
For desktop experience I usually recommend either mint or kubuntu or some other user friendly kde experience, for laptop experience I almost always recomment Pop OS which is what I also use, I have both a PC and a laptop and this combination works wonders for me
5:07 you forgot to mention split. You can split nemo (mint file manager) using f3 key. Also you can create tabs by pressing C-t
Mint isnt good for gaming imo. Due to using xorg and problems with compositing
Yeah. I mean, there are distros that work pretty good with Xorg for gaming, but Mint's compositing is just bad... High input latency, overall lower perfomance and comically slugish usage of windows while alt tabbing are some of the things I just can't stand, even if Mint is my favorite distro of all time.
my steam says hi
@@fabricio4794 depends on the games. Performance on mint is lower than on KDE or gnome due to composting issues
I don't get why but i had problems with mint for gaming on wine/proton, even steam would not render well, real slow.
Could be the reason that i lacked proper hw support but i tried on 2 machines and had that problem, kubuntu 22.04 lts or 23.04 for me didn't have that issue but more on my main system, another one would be zorin OS on the 2011 mac that i have.
Moved some family from Manjaro (after it broke) onto Linux Mint and all is well. Just needs to have Google Chrome working. It's fast, lightweight, and rock solid. Sound design and UI is very friendly. It's 'locked down' in a way my parents can't accidentally break something. I personally like the settings menu since it resembles Control Panel, but the power buttons do suck.
No matter what the distro. The windows user must understand that linux is not windows. You have to learn how to use alternative programs and doing things in linux. Linux is my main OS today. I have overcome the hurdles because of the many years of using linux.
One thing i cannot accept ui runs at 15 fps when it decides to,mouse is sometimes normal but sometimes mouse is 15fps as well. Didnt solve it for entire day and gave up using linux for now. Good to know wjat it is and that i tried but no way il be solving issues for days just so i can use my computer
Yeah, I use Arch Linux by the way.
I actually installed it yesterday.
in Windwos 11 I could no longer place the taskbar on top - so I had to switch to linux mint :)
Great job with your video mr Michael
One of the biggest issues i have with linux mint is the way they provide applications in the store.
Did you know most of them are prorpietary deb files that add a PPA on your system? That causes many breaking changes. And in addition to that it has causes issues for many during a major release upgrade.
I never upgrade. In theory it is supposed to work. In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. So whenever I upgrade I just do a fresh install. By then I'm due anyways. Every time I install Linux I do a bit better than the last time anyways and I've been at it for 28 years now. There's always room for improvement.
It's not just for Windows users...it's for EVERYONE. I've been on Mint since version 19.3 and is now rolling the beta 21.2 as a daily driver...and it has never let me down.
This is coming from someone who has used virtually almost every single mainstream distros and even tried out and used some of the more obscure ones - I'd say Mint is the one that made most sense for 90% of users out there.
8:50 The big red button!!
Whats like installing drivers or using shares on other computers in a mac and pc enviroment?
mint is fine, unless you do not change to much inside, like tune it for gaming, and at next reboot, half of services aren't working :D
The biggest thing holding me back from giving Mint a proper chance is the lack of Wayland support for all of its default desktop environments. Other than that, its next to perfect for what it's made for.
Wayland doesn't do anything I want to do and I am very used to xorg now. So to say I am less than enthused about Wayland would be an understatement. I haven't run Mint in a very long time now but the last time I did quality was low in my opinion. The maintainers were inexperienced. They've have a number of years to improve since then.
I installed Mint a couple weeks ago. Pretty slick. I like Cinnamon.
I am a windows 10 user and absolutely hate Ubuntu's look and feel. I don't know why. Maybe I didn't give it enough time. I'm only just trying in earnest to move to Linux starting now though.
Finally someone addressing this cliche. I'm a mint / ubuntu mate user for years.
Right. So I switched from Windows to Ubuntu in 2020. I really struggled using Gnome. So I switched 8 months in to use Linux Mknt, and that felg much much better.
Now that I've grown with using Linux and my habits have changed, I inshalled Fedora (with Gnome) on a second laptop I bought. And boy, does Hnome feel good now.
I hated how Gnome was so rigid to do certain stuff (Gnome tweaks is mandatory), whereas Linux Mint lets you do basically whatever you want and shows you more cool stuff.
But I have to say, Fedora feels perfecg for laptops (respectable battery life + support for touchpad gestures where other distros don't offer that).
I still use LMDE on my workstation though
FYI: The Linux Mint team created Cinnamon.
I use Ubuntu and Mint on my systems and I will say of the 2 I prefer mint just because of that windowsish look to it, I am likely to transition my Ubuntu PCs to mint especially with all the stupid little issues I keep having on Ubuntu due to the SNAP store and yes the snap store is an issue of its own.
I like Linux Mint, and probably would use it if it offered a KDE edition. Which I think is pretty valuable to newcomers as well since that's what Steam Deck uses and a lot of people first exposure to Linux is going to be Steam Deck or to try "Steam Deck's OS". To be honest, I just want a Kubuntu which isn't bound by Canonicals limitations with snap and apt.
...well, okay, to be completely honest, I'm pretty much over using anything that isn't immutable like Universal Blue and VanillaOS, so maaaaaybe I'll pay attention to Mint again once it have both KDE and immutable editions.
cant wait for lmde 6
I wish i only played singleplayer games. As a gamer who plays variety of games i am sticking to windows
Today I was searching best distro for me and I also had a lot of answers that linux mint would be good
There's a couple ways to measure distributions between each other. I'd say the most important one is how packages are managed. What desktop it ships with or how things are initially configured are of no importance whatsoever. Because that you can all change. Some stuff you're just stuck with though. So it has to be right.
I'm gonna quote Narwhal above, "This is great for Linux newcomers, but I'd argue it can also be great for more experienced users that just want to use their computer without spending extra time setting up their system." That describes most computer users. If you wanna geek out with Linux, there's a bazillion distros for that. If you want to just install Linux and go, Mint, even more so than Zorin (imho) is your distro. (I actually like MATE best.)
I consider ROI with the time I spend configuring a system. Sure it takes me a while but then I'm going to be using it for years afterwards. I usually skip an upgrade cycle or two. So that's 4-6 years. In that time frame a few days spent getting everything how I want it is trivial. I do like everything a very particular way too. It ain't how any distro sets things up.
I don't know why I had screen tearing in games on Linux. I had to enable AMD tearfree mode on X11 config to resolve the screen tearing in multi-monitor setup
If it was only in games, then my guess would be that you disabled VSYNC right? I mean that's basically the first thing that I would do personally 😅
Multiple screens with different refresh rates seem to work just fine for me
edit: Hm, is it because I picked Mate instead of Cinnamon?
Linux mint is very recommended for people who want to try Linux for the first time. It also has so many customizable stuff.
Pretty spot on. I would say, familiarity is important for adoption. Really important. Linux users have been fighting for market share forever, so barriers to migration being low is really fantastic, and familiarity is one of those.
Wayland is only default in Fedora, so far? For the case of Windows users with unmatched freq. monitors, lack of Wayland would be an issue - and it's non-trivial to add to Mint, so Fedora would be a better choice. I don't know if you discovered this, but from the ahh application panel? if you right click an item the fold-out menu has an "+ add to desktop" option. Yeah, it's not drag and drop, but it's a pretty easy behaviour change to adopt. I've been using Linux for 30 years (primarily from shell, but in and out of DE's from time to time), and moved my daily driver from Win 11 to Mint around 2 months ago (I wanted to go OpenSUSE but it seems to hate my hardware and I didn't have the time to resolve that). The biggest missing 'daily' utility from Windows I find I miss is Computer Management. As old as compmgmt is in Windows, it's a really practical way to access logs, shares setup and services. But as far as I can tell no distro quite has an analog to it.
I usually send former "windows" users to XFCE. The appearance looks familiar, and it can later be customized as the user sees fit. LXDE used to be a good choice, but that new login screen is confusing.
Doesn't default XFCE use a Dock and a top bar?
At least for Ubuntu, the task bar got moved up top. It can be dragged elsewhere. I'm not aware of a dock unless you put in Docky etc. Though I like KDE more, it uses more resources.
It's interesting perspective. Sometimes, people just want to get on with life & at such times for a Windiws user there is minimal learning curve when it comes to Linux Mint.
What about Zorin OS? Zorin OS' design combines both the elegant look of GNOME and the good old feeling of Windows 7. At least that's the impression it gives me.
Gnome and my brain don't work together at all. I've tried to like it, but there are always those simple things I waste way too much time on. I do respect the project, but sometimes I feel like they're just trying to be different for different sake, forget usability. I don't really believe it, but it just feels so off sometimes.
As for Mint, the best thing I can say about it is - in 90% of cases it just works. It's hard to break and it'll do what you need pretty much it of the box. It's not just beginner friendly. It's completely unoffensive, the team never did anything to upset the community, and it's rock solid.
The reason why I left it in the end though - gaming sucks big time. I know some people are perfectly happy. Me though, wow... I've managed to run Linux native games and Warcraft 3 classic through Lutrus, but that's literally the only game I've managed to make to run through Wine. Also, I've tried a few wired controllers on one of my Mint machines and it had ridiculous input lag. I've actually tried 2 others, thinking there were hardware faults. They all worked like a charm on the Batocera machine.
P.S. Love the community popup, never seen it before.
LM was great when I first came over from Windows and gave Linux a go (as was Ubuntu). But for me, there was still a lack of functionality and getting to settings. Gnome has the same problem in that you can add plugins, but you need to know what plugins. Personally I liked KDE more as everything you could possibly want to tweak is there, but stays out of your way when you just want to get stuff done.
But I still think LM is a good start for newcomers. And even though Fedoras installer is a bit funky, once its up and running its a solid choice as well. I just wish they'd enable non-free repos or at least give you the option. Luckily there's Ultramarine.
"Can't add shortcuts to the desktop menu" You mean you cannot drag and drop shortcuts. You certainly can add them easily. Right click and hit "Add to desktop".
While I also recommend Linux Mint for most Windows users trying to get into Linux, my reasoning is that Mint is a really easy Distro to use, and since those people are already used to windows UI, so if someone just wants to use something without having to worry about learning anything new, I'd say Mint is a great choice for Windows users. And personally, I have no problem with that and I don't see it as a demerit either as many try to make it look.
Not everyone is coming to Linux in order to learn all the tricks, they just want to use their computer without hussles and that is it, and imho, Mint is by far the best at it.
4:53 "except it just works..." And this is why almost any software manager is better than GNOME software. GNOME software has been dog slow on the *buntu family for years. Back in *buntu 10.x and before it was a lot faster.. It is the one piece of software I wish was replaced in Xubuntu, and I'm glad to see Mint went with something else. Overall great video, really enjoyed it, a lot of good points.
Mint exists because Ubuntu switched to the Unity desktop. That made a group of people unhappy so they forked Ubuntu into Mint to continue using Gnome. Then the Mint team became disillusioned with Gnome itself and forked that. At least they got away from the hideous lime green desktop. That was some real eye bleed. Starting Mint was always an assault.
After the latest update in Windows 11, which reinstalled MS Edge browser hijacker and Bing AI chatbots, and integrated them so deeply into the OS that it's now pretty much impossible to remove, I decided I wanted to start learning Linux so I can start to completely move away from windows for good. Windows has become uncontrollably invasive and impossible to customize in terms of what programs I want and do not want on my computer. I mean on principle alone, they are called personal computers for a reason, and MS has taken the personalization out of it. I mean, what the HELL IS PERSONAL about not having the freedom to properly chose how you decide to browse the internet, and whether or not you have AI deeply integrated into your every day life, not to mention the complete shady nature of what this could spell for privacy and the future of the Win platform.
And I totally understand the point you're trying to make about why Windows users should try a different distro of Linux to really compare and contrast the things that set the two OS's apart from Windows. I think that's a great thought, however for me, my favorite OS was a combination of old ass Windows XP and Windows 7, and that is the OS I want to recreate, but with updates and security that Microsoft stopped supporting long ago. And from all the info I have gathered, individuals familiar with LMC, and the very brief live test I did with this OS and a couple other Linux distros, this seems to be kinda the best, although, Ubuntu is a very close second, as it seems to play games better, and I have a couple high end GPUs. So there's still some internal conflict I have that you reignited within me.
Nonetheless, I loved this video, and I plan to check out your channel more and consider subscribing (I would have already, but I have to do a scrubbing of the over 100, many of them now useless subs I have), if you continue to provide such quality content, as this video was very well done and gave me pause for thought. Thanks so much Mr. Horn.
Quick thing, is Linux Mint, actually Linux Mint Cinnamon? Or is Cinnamon a part of the latest Linux Mint OS? Not sure if I understand that, like are they all the same thing, or is LM and LMC slightly different distros of the Linux OS?
Thanks for sharing.
As for your question, Cinnamon is just a Desktop Environment that is being developed by the Linux Mint Team, and it's their default flavour.
@@MichaelNROH Oh so all Linux Mint destros have Cinnamon available. Funny, as I'm quitting smoking, and my doctor told me to suck on and chew raw cinnamon sticks. So when I was looking at different destros Ubuntu was my first choice, but I took Cinnamon as a sign. Subscribed cheers
@@bizbarley74 the " core " is the same. You can add whatever you want or remove from the OS. I used to use xfce for gaming. You can even make an " OS for only one game" with disabling everything.
@@ivobrick7401 I'm a bit lost. But cool, yeah right on. I have been liking Linux a lot and been toying around with 3 different distros now. I actually plan to switch my parents over to Linux Mint for Xmas because they cannot stand windows with all its addons and bloatware.
Is the best of best for begginer and power user too!!
I like the current Mint Xfce. Firefox isn't perfect though. I also enjoy ArcoLinux and Fedora. Debian is stable but I nuked due to 1440p monitor. I can see more hopping in the future tbh.
I used to recommend Mint but I recently changed my mind precisely because of your first point. I think its best to "shock" users with something completely different so they have no expectations and hopefully approach it with an open mind, make it clear that they are using something different than what they're used to. Nothing is more frustrating when you think you know what is going on and your expectations are constantly being broken.
I only recommend Linux From Scratch to new users. They need discipline!
Mint is good for its stability but to me it doesn't work all that well.
Cinnamon desktop, though simple 2use, misses some quality of life features, and yes indeed wayland support, i am kde using gaming laptop and kubuntu 23.04 seems fine with wayland using the nvidia gpu for gaming and desktop now.
The update system also scared me, because on my old desktop pc it would always break things, or make something fall to ruin, like introduce bugs, etc. This doesn't happen with some other distros and yet another example i updated from ubuntu 22.04 lts to 23.04 most things worked fine.
Also gaming on mint has always not been that great 4me, but at the time i was a bit of a newb, and hw well was not that recent, still i feel alot better now on ubuntu or zorin..
Its just up for the end user but imo, mint still needs some improvement, and ofc ubuntu also misses on some aspects like the like of integration of a revert tool like timeshift from mint team which to me is the best thing about mint.
I mostly disagree with your argument that people will struggle with Cinnamon behaving differently to Windows, simply because your argument is based on people wanting to change settings and preferences. The vast majority of people wouldn't care about preferences and would orient themselves to the stock layout relatively quickly, what most people will actually care about is their workflow. If they can browse the web, create and modify text files, set up email, watch videos, and re-organize their files, then they won't care about their preferences.
DE behavior will almost always take a backseat to workflow.
Yeah ! 8D
Yeah this is why I don't just recommend Mint or Ubuntu. I recommend those 2 Plus Garuda and Fedora. I know Garuda is Arch but tbing is the Only Reason Arch was Hard was because you had to make the Partitions yourself instead of having an Auto installer and if the Arch Devs did not want to Grow Arch and Bring in Users that don't fully Understand Arch. They Would not have nade the ArchInstall Command or Support Arch just Works Distros like Garuda.
There may be better environments, but Cinnamon Mint let me get quickly back to using my computer for working, rather than making the computer the object of my attention. I don't need pretty. I need efficiency.
Then you want a tiling Window Manager. Gotcha.
@@1pcfred No, I don't.
@@gregcampwriter you stated, "I don't need pretty. I need efficiency". That describes a tiling Window Manager. So yes you do!
@@1pcfred I've made my position clear. What makes you think that you know me better than I know myself is anyone's guess, but perhaps you're a Microsoft employee.
Everyone has a preference. I myself tried out Sway and jumped off after a week.
MXLinux Review that please
The Mint file manager really is nice. I miss being able to easily create files and open as root with Fedora (Gnome).
It's funny how that isn't a problem, until you realize it might be problem 😅
Mint's biggest issue is their usage of older kernels that have poor support on newer hardware. I would suggest PoPOS as that a middle zone between mac and windows.
Pop!_OS might not be the best choice right now if you want newer packages and Support.
Even Debian 12 Stable is now slightly ahead of it.
good video
I tried many distros for laptops and linux mint cinnamon was always working without headache! I think one of the reasons why it's recommended especially for beginners and not only similarity for windows!
My first distro was Ubuntu 18.10. But after starting to distro hopping, Mint was first third distro to try after learning from people's recommendation for Windows users. And no matter how much I tried I simply can't get into it. I always had some technical problems with Mint and as far as expecting similar to Windows experience, I simply didn't get any. It was KDE that actually felt like a Windows experience... Windows Vista/7 that is. But since Mint wasn't my first GNU/Linux OS, maybe that played a part. But my friend certainly had it much worse as his first Linux distro after Windows. He had a lot of problems with the system and couldn't understand how to change many features. I tried to help him as much as possible and managed to solve almost everything, but for some reason I couldn't add icons for task bar. I do think he's copy of Mint was poorly installed as it crashed from time to time as well which never happened with my experience. Of course after such experience he doesn't want to use Linux distros at all.
I do think Linux Mint can serve as a first distro... but not for Windows user. From my personal experience if I ever to recommend a distro for Windows user, it would be either Ubuntu, Fedora or maybe even Debian 12 with either GNOME or KDE desktops. I believe a much different desktop environment makes people actually try to learn it which in turn will make constant comparison with previous experience less intrusive. So in my opinion GNOME is the best choice for Windows users and KDE is the best for Mac users. After adapting a little people can decide if they want to try other distros or keep using what they already have.
The only reason I use Windows is for gaming. I've been using Linux Mint XFCE for years for everything else.
mint my fav, 💯
Yeah I think it is better for Windows users just learn something new instead of missing Windows feature's and feel.
I think you're right. Linux ain't Windows. You're not going to find many hardcore Linux users lamenting over that fact either.
Apparently people here love to write essays.
I had a great experience with linux mint what I'm using it for. Mostly for emulation. I figured out around the operating system pretty quick with tiny errors that I learned on my own. I find it a probably a perfect 10/10 for me. I'm now looking at vanillaOs and it has it promises also. I'm probably gonna install it on my testing pc to get used to the operating system and see how it functions.
Im more partial to Linspire myself
what about debian
Debian is not user friendly as a beginner distro. Even the download process can get a bit tedious if you don't want the regular install.
Debian is a very stable power user experience and is best in that. Just not for beginners.
It is the best distro, but people like to hate on it for not having wayland.
The average windows user wouldn't care about wayland anyway.
I'm the average Linux user and I don't care about Wayland either. You'll have to take X from my cold dead hands!
I really recommend Nobara Linux. It has a lot of tweaks that is great for gamers and anyone who works with digital content creation. It's based on Fedora which has been a very good experience for me since I switched from Windows 10 earlier this year. Personally, I really liked Fedora much better than when I tried Ubuntu. One thing that's nice is that it has Wayland and X11 built in and it's really easy to switch between them. It also has both Gnome and KDE versions so people can pick what they like or want to try. It took maybe a month or two to really get to know the operating system well, but it was totally usable from day one for daily computer use stuff.
Hot take: the best distro for windows users is something that isn't just trying to be like windows. As bad as windows is in terms of privacy and user control, it does the "windows thing" very well and no DE is gonna do what it does better. Using a floating window manager or gnome imo is better as it gives you a refreshing new experience.
For the longest time I assumed MACOS was better as a desktop environment than any linux distro, but after working on one for a few weeks I actually believe gnome is a whole lot better. It's a lot cleaner and a lot easier to move around the desktop and it's just a lot more pleasant to use. Honestly, I'm very hard on linux because I just want it to meet all my needs and I hate needing to use a windows VM for stuff, but linux should not try to be like windows, it should be the best it can be, whatever shape that takes.
How can I install exe files in Linux
With Wine or Bottles. You should be able to find both in the software store
@@MichaelNROH does it affect gaming performance or is it actually faster?
All I'm asking for is a Linux that I can game on with my 4070 and install stuff with .exe's without going through a console. Been seriously considering to switch from Windows as Windows is going downhill right now.
Linux Mint is really great, but LMDE is even better!
Mint is really nice,however I used to hate the visuals until 21.1 came around and made them look much more appealing. However,I won't go back to an Ubuntu-based distro so easily after trying out Nobara Linux(it's basically the equivalent of Mint for Fedora). The resource management is much better(which is important because I run it on a 12yo Sony Vaio laptop),it's much more stable,and all the packages I need are there,no need to do sheninigans like I did with my previous Zorin OS. I tried using most well-known distros in a VM,until I pinned them down to just Ubuntu Mate,Linux Mint Debian Edition,Nobara,openSUSE XFCE,ZorinOS Lite and KDE Neon to know which one of them I'd install and actually use. Then I did another round of testing until I was between Zorin,KDE Neon and Nobara. I first installed Zorin,it was great but then I realized it was pretty heavy,and XFCE kinda sucks. Then I tried Nobara. After changing the login manager to LightDM instead of the default SDDM,it just worked flawlessly. The laptop was as good as new,while being stable and having all my packages out of the box.
Do we really need to underestimate the intelligence of Windows users? (there might be a joke in there!) Any Windows user that's brave enough to jump to a different OS won't be bedaffled by a modern desktop. (like Gnome)
I tried gnome for a while and I really want to like it but I just don't like it. Sorry.
I love everything linux. Except the sound. The audio sucks. Tried every solution out there. Nothing. 😔
The problem with Linux is you have to already know Linux to have a good time with it.
Gnome is Best
TWM 4evah!
Problem for me is: I need Ryzen controller and RLECViewer (alternative to Clevo laptop Fan control) so laptop doesn't overheat. Ryzen controller doesn't seem to work that well on Linux because ryzenadj command difficulties
Windows 7 and 10 was alot closer in familiar to each other then 10 to 11 as a lot things change and does not work the same way, people will need to relearn the UI over again and see what does what to get to a work flow works for them.
What's your opinion on KDE on distro like Kubuntu?
The Plasma Desktop is my second favourite Desktop Environment as of right now. I prefer Gnome currently because it still feels new and I like how it behaves out of the box.