Oh, another "Linux isn't ready yet rage bait video" If Linux isn't for you, please just never talk about it anymore instead of making rage bait videos, thank you
@@RaidOwl How original! Now, on the next video, start showing comments like mine and telling "how toxic the Linux community something something". You ain't fooling anyone here
I’m gonna be honest with you. You’re the only negative comment on his video so far. It seems like it’s not the “rage bait” you think it is. I think you’re just looking for a reason to be mad. Go for a walk brother ✌🏻
@@RaidOwl Glad to know that! But i hope there is more talking about you bs rage bait. Next time, just use the phrase "Adobe/Riot/This camera doesn't support Linux" and be done with it. You are just getting back what you are putting out there, btw i am walking and responding to this bs rn, gonna tell me to touch grass too?
If you depend on Adobe or MS Office, some other specialised applications or online gaming, it's a complete waste of time switching to Linux. You gotta switch your workflow gradually to the Linux alternatives on your windows or Mac BEFORE you make the switch.
And LoL. Unfortunately these aren't Linux problems but these products' problem and there's nothing we can really do about it (even cause when we do the devs sometimes actively go out of their way to fuck it up)
@@DoktorLorenz I would say for 90% of online game it works, but some of the biggest don't sadly like league for example, luckily for me the ones i do play work online on linux like Overwatch, final fantasy XIV and helldivers to name some online games
@@DoktorLorenz eh tbh depends on the person. For some a gradual approach is better for some starting from scratch and relearning all at once (well, almost all at once) works best.
@@EuroNutellaMani mean can you blame them? I guess adobe and those big companies can create a port for linux but you need to keep in mind that linux only has about ~3.7% of share. Now would a company would like to spend their resources and man power for such a small user share? And before you flame me down with comments, I use linux as a daily drive. I am just trying to share another point of view
My biggest issue with linux is the community. People will say that any distro will work as you can change the DE and stuff, but then they'll act like your choice of distro is bad because they don't like the DE and its lack of customizability to their specific style. Then there's the whole "year of the linux desktop" bs when the community says bs like "the problem with linux is all the GUI stuff. People need to just learn how everything works and use the CLI." Windows became the dominant OS by making things so easy that the layman who knows next to nothing about computers could navigate the OS. There simply cannot be a year of the linux desktop if they do not continue to work on bettering the user experience. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but the linux community needs to stop being a bunch of hipster blowhards and be more inviting to new linux users. Loved the skit by the way. Perfect representation of Linux vs Windows.
The thing about TH-cam creators documenting their Linux experiment is that they are professionally hooked into the Adobe ecosystem. So they're experiences are skewed in that direction. Someone like myself, it's perfect, because I actively avoid Adobe and most proprietary hardware, professionally I write, I browse the internet and I play single player strategy games. My experience is 1:1 without any diminishment.
Hmm, yes I could see that, if browser/text editor/single-player/cross-platform games is all you do, linux should probably work just fine. In fact that's /almost/ my use-case, but I have enough niche stuff like macro software, mods, and occasional cheat programs(single-player only, the only experience I'm willing to ruin is my own, and it's usually just to speed up tedious gameplay or just for the fun of seeing how values and such are stored internally and seeing what happens when I set them to unintended values) that just doesn't work well/at-all on linux and has no comparable alternative.
Yeah also these creators are never technical enough to try something like GPU passthrough, despite having the equipment and money to do this. It's relatively easy with 2 video cards, and you can have your cake and eat it too. Want to use adobe? Just load up KVM, start the virtual machine, and use it. Turn off that VM when you're done. If done right, KVM only has a 1-3% performance decrease from running on bare metal.
100% agree. I was stuck on notepad++ since i switched to vscode i moved to linux as a daily driver. But then I would argue mostly I don't care if you run linux or windows, use the most efficient, fun or save tool for whatever you want to do. For gaming i just stream everything from a local windows machine...
But installing DaVinci is a pain. If you are lucky it will work And then you have to face random problems like no sound xD Mate... he's not complaining that there is no Adobe for linux. He's complaining that linux version of an app does not work properly.
@@RaidOwlspeaking of LoL there's a specialized proton version made to run it. In fact most of the apps you needed can be run using proton. That's how I'm doing it personally
Re: no wireguard Gui There's no GUI for Linux because the configuration settings are built into the network manager. You just click the import button and select your wireguard config.
@@HarryJarrell : it means you have nothing to install to use the wireguard VPN client. You just click on your network icon in the systray, click configure, and you can add your VPN client configuration. This one is actually more simple than on Windows. But coming from Windows, you expect you need to install a VPN client... and you don't find it so you think it does not exist. It's just because it's supported out of the box.
There's a Docker image for the wg server called wg-easy. It's pretty easy to use and accessible on a browser within your local network. For clients, yeah. I still use cli for that, don't mind.
Color me interested; I was disappointed in an app for one of my VPN providers for it was limited to using OpenVPN. Instead, I just run it from a travel router that is already configured with a VPN instead.
Dude, this is literally me. I started using Mint in last November, completely switched to it in December, and I have been using Arch for a month. And I LOVE pacman and AUR.
If the rest of Linux software had a wiki like the Arch wiki, Linux would probably be a usable OS for me. What had taken hours of searching through forum posts on Mint and Ubuntu became seconds or minutes of looking through the Arch wiki. Unfortunately, Arch being great and the AUR containing functional software where everything else is often broken and unusable was not enough for me to consider Linux worth keeping around. As much as I wish I could use Linux daily, I don't have the kind of time required to fix everything that so many software developers are either too incompetent, lazy, stupid, or otherwise disinclined to fix themselves.
Appreciate the video. Work in IT and have used Linux on the server side for a long time. It's still painful a lot of times and the desktop is still not enough to make me switch to it. Certainly wouldn't call myself hard core but definitely agree with the 'tool' point. It needs to just work, not take you days to conquer another issue. Thanks.
I have the massive itch to switch to Arch Linux KDE Plasma so I can rice the hell out of it to my liking, but I desperately need a lot of programs to work that are exclusive to MacOS and Windows. For daily driver, having to essentially self teach myself a whole new way of computing is just not worth it when I can just boot up my Win11 machine and just do what I need to do and hop off.
@@HawaiianForgeStudios My experience with Linux users: they all claim how great it is, yet they keep going back to Windows at times, whether it's on a laptop, via dual boot or virtual machine.
Hi, I am just a dude that works on linux stuff as day job (KDE plasma desktop stuff). Just wanted to say that even if you didn't stick around for now I am really glad you tried. Videos like these are valuable for us when it comes to information about things that need improvement. I just want to remind everyone though that most people working on Linux stuff are often volunteers, especially on the desktop side, so things can take longer than expected in "regular" software. You had excellent points, especially the one about distro-wars. They're entirely pointless chestbeating. Anyhow, hope to see you try again sometime :)
The detail of the dude watching your ever move and constantly pushing AI was friggin awesome! HAHAHA! Loved it! I'm a diehard Linux user, and have been for over 14 years now. It's my daily both at home and in my work life. That said, I sadly still need Windows for two things (both pieces of software at work that simply will not work with Linux). I don't try to force Linux on anyway. I remember all the research to figure out how to do things I could just so simply do within Windows. Not everyone wants that, and I get it. To me, it's like 3d Printers. I can buy some cheap, sub $200 printer and have a hobby that requires a bunch of maintenance, modding, and tweaking... Or... I could buy a Bambu, park it in the corner and just print my files. As someone who designs parts to fix things around the house, a 3d printer is 100% a tool for me. I just want it to print my files whenever I send them and I don't want to have to think about it.
Yes jumping from Win piece of crap into Linux without any adaptation is way to loose. There is the well known problem of companies don't give a fuck about their sowtware linux version. If you want to actually try to transittion to Linux at first you Windows but switch to Linux compatible apps/change your workflow. It is totally unreasonable to think that transition will be 1:1. For example me I'm being android user for my whole life but I had unfortunatelly met an IPad in high school. I couldn't do anything on it. There wasn't single thing working same as on Android so I was lost.
I use Wireguard for work on Linux... and it's not a standalone GUI, it's a plugin for network-manager (which is a GUI itself). Not sure why you didn't find that googling about the problem, but I have no need for any console stuff to setup Wireguard, or during use.
Yeah... I had the same thought. Pulled up the network config in Plasma and sure enough there was the option for Wireguard sitting in the available VPN choices for NetworkManager.
@@TheXipherZero So yeah, I honestly wonder what was going on there... Though these days one might well blame google for not finding the obvious correct result amongst all the bot and paid adverts. Maybe the plugin isn't installed on Mint by default for some reason, maybe he wanted to do something that he read was only possible via command line (if true or not). And sometimes one is just not formulating the right questions, coming from a different system that works so differently.
I will try to write an actually useful comment in this warzone of a comment section. First it is to be said that i dont want to blame you or anyone else. The issue is that people want you to use the same thing they do. I will try to avoid this. So just so you know my bias: use arch with a tiling window manager on wayland (hyprland). I also have a 1080 ti (yes nvidia + wayland) and 2 screens (1440p at 240Hz and 1440p at 144Hz). I will also try to explain my opinions in a simple way so to you technical people: i know these things might not be technically correct but understandable. --- distro --- While your choice of distro isnt everything it matters more that people often say (it matters less for experienced users so that prob why). Even tho a lot of linux enthusiasts hate ubuntu (because its owned by canonical) its still the distro i will (very close to) always recommend to a beginner. This is not just because it has the biggest community but also because i feel that they have the best wayland implementation (especially on gnome). The standard ubuntu gnome is also configured to be very intuitive (i dont think default gnome is very intuitive or usable without tweaks). Kubuntu is not the best choice at the moment because it hasnt updated to plasma 6. The only time i dont recommend ubuntu is if extreme customization is your primary goal and youre willing to get into the depths of linux. Arch is basically the only good way to use dotfiles (configuration files) other people made because most of them are made for arch. But with arch your system will break at some point and youll have to spend time trying to fix it. So you cant rely on arch for anything important if youre new or even know a bit. Ive never really had much luck with mint. In my experience it doesnt do well with obscure laptop hybrid graphics and very old gpus. Its rather uncommon cinnamon desktop can also make finding help for desktop related issues hard. Ive also had a lot of hardware issues on mint like it not doing well with hybrid graphics (afaik this is currently being addressed). There is also asahi linux based on fedora for M silicon macs. Ive not used it because i dont own a mac so i cant really speak on that although ive heard its gotten pretty good. --- ages to learn --- Also the argument that linux takes years to learn and it doesnt for windows is ignoring that most windows users dont use windows properly. Most people always use an admin account on windows without even knowing it (i am guilty of this myself). There is a reason microsoft has that certification program. I think this belief exists because the linux community is smaller and more technical so they try to push people towards good practices more often. On windows the vast majority of people dont even know that the old control panel (still) exists (and i dont blame them). So you get called out for improper linux usage but because 98% of windows users dont know how to use windows the 'right' way it doesnt happen there. Its also fine to not do things the 'proper way' on linux. It will still work just file for most people. --- wayland vs X11/org --- The buggyness of wayland is very heavily overstated almost all of the time. Its come a long way in the past couple of years. As ive said the (ubtuntu) gnome and especially the plasma 6 implementations are the best in my opinion. Ive had basically no issues related to wayland on those desktops (the biggest thing is native tf2 not working on wayland but valve is to blame for that). The next nvidia driver will also improve the nvidia experience (because of explicit sync support). There is 'are we wayland yet' which is useful but youtube doesnt like links. While it does say that nvidia + sway/wlroots doesnt work ive not had many issues with it (if you dont know what that means dont worry. it doesnt apply to you). I will always, except in very rare and obscure cases, recommend using wayland. Its more polished and user friendly for the average person at this point despite what people will tell you. The reason X11 doesnt support so many of the modern (yes split display scaling is considered modern in this context) things is that it is essentially a dead project. It has been on life support for many years now meaning it is only receiving necessary security updates. --- software compatibility --- Something you did that i really appreciated is not blaming linux for adobe (or other) software not running. Ive seen a lot of people blaming linux for this while its actually the developers fault if anything. Im not saying every dev has to support linux. What im saying is that its not linux's fault if developers dont support it and you cant go "linux bad it cant run this software made for windows". This has also been improving rapidly with more and more new software being released for linux as well. Nowadays a lot of things will also run in wine but this is hindered by developers purposefully blocking it. I recommend lutris for running things in wine (not just games). --- gaming --- Ill keep this short. The anti cheat situation has gotten to a point where linux support is either already there just one email away for most devs (eac and battleye have linux support that has to be enabled by the devs). Anything single player will most likely just work. And no, there is no way for proton to just support anti cheats. Even if possible its a giant ban risk. For compatibility just check protondb. Ive heard a lot of people complaining about modding but ive had no real issues with modding gog cyberpunk with vortex so that remains to be seen. --- software alternatives --- Something that isnt often talked about but i feel is important is how to actually find alternative software for linux. People will often search for 'appname alternative linux' but this often leads to nothing. A better way is often to look for 'use case linux'. A good example in the video for this is no basic editing in an image viewer. If you come from another os it is common to just expect that but this isnt how things work on linux. The same thing applies to your usage of keynote. Try looking for the use case instead of the app. --- software recommendations --- I will list some software here that might interest you. These are my opinions and in no way definitive. Gimp as a replacement for photoshop but it does have a steeper learning curve. Again the use case is important here. Krita for drawing (apparently it can do 2d animation). Darktable is the most popular lightroom alternative afaik. Inkscape for vector graphics. OBS for recording of course. LibreOffice for text documents. Thunderbird as a native email client. Firefox as the browser. Its worth a try especially with the manifest v3 situation. guvcview can do manual gimbal control for your camera if reddit is to be believed. DOTA 2 instead of league of legends (this is kind of a joke so chill). --- other --- A wireguard gui is built into the gnome and plasma settings page. You just need to import your wireguard config. On gnome it will give you a toggle in that quick settings thingy. Blackmagic is to blame for aac not working on linux because the just dont license it as a cost saving measure. Its also important to remember that creative work is more niche than you would think. Most people dont need or have ever used creative software and mostly use a web browser and office like writer. If anyone has any other question i will try to answer them if i can.
I just want to mention in reposnse to this comment, that the default and most popular Linux Mint edition doesn't use Mate, it uses the Cinnamon desktop environment, which is in my opinion nicer than Mate, because it gets developed by the Linux Mint team and there is a lot of support for it in the LM forums itself. It is more customizable than gnome, but less customizable than KDE Plasma. It also included a GUI interface for Wireguard right in the network settings. I am curious which hardware issues you encountered with Mint, since it's based on Ubuntu (or directly Debian for LMDE) and additional drivers can easily be installed with the driver manager for e.g. NVIDIA GPUs or Broadcom WiFi chips.
@@joejoetv1337 seems ive gotton cinnamon and mate confused. also mind doesnt play nice with obscure hybrid graphics in laptops and very old gpus in my experience. ive encountered this a couple of times (im sure theres a fix but this is a bout simplicity). While its true that theres a lot of support in the mint forum it has to be acknowledged that there are way more resources about gnome and ubuntu out there
I actually think that Linux Mint is a solid option. If you were looking for a different option something that uses KDE Plasma like Fedora KDE might be a good option. AAC is a licensing issue. As linux is a free operating system they can't really pay the licensing system. I am glad you are going over these items though. I really hope these issues can get addressed.
So why do I get this weird error "Full GPU memory" every time I launch DaVinci on Mint? I can't even use it. No one really knows why, cause I tried many many ways to fix it.
@@pantarei. hard to tell without posting some logs or error message (applies to windows and mac problems as well). My guess would be a driver issue, a very old GPU or some weird bug very few (if any) had before
I mean everything on linux will work on windows and mac os BUT not everything that works on mac os and windows can work on linux. That's why, the question was always, why bother to use linux at all??
I daily drive Linux everyday thanks to channels like you, craft computing, techno Tim and apalrd. I use it for proxmox, truenas scale, home automation, dashboards, and more. And I access them all through my windows computer through web services and ssh. It’s like your hammer analogy. Use the right tool for the job. Don’t hand me a screw driver if I have a nail. And don’t explain how a dewalt is better than ryobi. It’s still a nail Im working on.
> " I use it for proxmox" ...to run Windows applications. > "truenas scale" No need to use Linux for that > "home automation" No need to use Linux for that > "dashboards" No need to use Linux for that
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b SO "using linux" has to be being a terminal nerd exclusively? ^^ apps that run services without needing specific Linux knowledge is the way Linux will ever be popular with the masses.. And you definitely need knowledge for Proxmox :p that thing like most desktop linux distros is half UI, half diving in shell and modding files manually
To be fair - Synergy (you know software sharing of mouse and keyboard between Linux/Windows/Mac computers - where you can literally copy-move-to-other-system/OS-and-then-paste) has been acting weird in newer releases, while it was just working out of the box while it was pure open source and free software.
It's inefficient to use multiple OSes because you have to adjust your workflow every time you change to another one. It's good as a temporary solution while you're learning a new OS, no more. If you do it for a long period of time, you're just handicapping yourself.
This seems like a very fair video in my opinion. I’ve recently switched to Linux myself and in my experience it’s been great but if I had to fight my operating system then I’d switch back to Windows. I am by no means a power user and in my opinion you’re not lazy you just want to get work done and not have to fight your OS. Linux is definitely not for everyone but I’d say if you’re curious if it’s for you then back up your current system and give it a go. There is also no wrong distribution it just depends on what you like and what works for you. I personally don’t like Mint but it works well for a lot of people. I tried multiple different distributions until finally settling on Fedora 40. Great video keep up the good work.
You pointed it out perfectly, it depends on the use case. Use the right tool for the right task. I'm fully on Linux for years since it fits all my needs. But before that, I was running a dual boot setup also for years, and whenever required, I booted into Windows if it was the better fit. You did everything right. 👍
Too many Linux distros. Maybe some of those resources can be utilized to write killer applications. Everything on Linux is just trying to keep up with Mac and Windows. Linux has no killer software that blows the competition out of the water. I use all three platforms- just being real.
It does have a killer app, quite a few actually. That's why Linux dominates the server room. It's quite unfortunate that we don't see devs dedicating that kind of effort to the desktop experience. The number of Linux distros isn't actually a problem. The problem is that none of them can really compete with Windows for overall ease of use, for most people. If all you want is a browser and email, you would be fine on most Linux distros. It really wouldn't matter too much about which you pick. If you do streaming or video games or anything else that is even remotely niche, you might be in for a bad time.
Not really. Truth is that no one really cares desktop. Applications run in browser. Why people like to use Linux based OSses is that it is best for developer and it doesn't have that crap that is found from macOS or Windows.
your low-key sarcasm about everything is hilarious. one thing you should have added to the hammer skit was "microsoft" digging through your cabinets/drawers/wallet and taking pictures of everything lol.
@@RaidOwlCan you really blame them? I mean, supporting their software for 4% of the population wouldn't really be financially viable unless they charged double, probably even triple. What we really need is a company like Valve to work with these companies to get their stuff working on Linux through Wine. That way, their efforts are technically being funded by every purchase and not just the 4% on Linux. But Valve is a gaming company. Unfortunately, they're also the only billion dollar company that has a vested interest in making desktop Linux usable. Every other company involved doesn't care about desktop Linux, only server and commercial Linux. Valve really started becoming bullish on Linux when they saw the Windows Store introduced with Windows 8 as a potential threat to their business. Windows doesn't present a threat to any other business, so we're out of luck. Maybe the company Lewis Rossmann works for, FUTO, could do it. They have a vested interest in bringing control of computing back into the hands of the people, and Linux plays a huge role in that. But right now their main thing is just working on and supporting software that respects the users, rather than trying to bring predatory proprietary software to Linux.
@@RaidOwl Adobe can steal your content and use it to train AI... Some alternative exists, and i don' t mean foss ones, but things like corel and affinity, wich still don't properly work on linux but still better than adobe jaja.
@kennyfully88it's already here and it's called Affinity photo. You pay once no subscriptions and is just as good as Photoshop. It doesn't work on Linux, but statistically no cares about that.
I spent half of this video screaming “YEESSSS, I KNOW! I HATE THAT!!!” I work at a huge Linux company and can’t stand Linux, lol. I am a weirdo and have Windows in my machine. It just works. I see coworkers complaining about weird Linux problems ask the time, and I just smile and accept I have to happily reboot for Windows updates once a week or so.
Great video, I love seeing how people experience this challenge. I daily drive Linux for a couple of years now, and it still baffles me seeing people get this upset about an operational system, like their whole personalities depends on it. Its just a software: if you can adapt it to your workflow, great, if you can't, try anything else, just like that. Props to you for trying something new even when your workflow is so stable. I do think your problems, mainly in DaVinci, could be solved with a KDE and wayland approach. Waiting for your next try, cheers!
The ending I really liked it, especially the skit. Imo I think I'm one of the few Linux people who actually understand what people are going through and know that Linux isn't fully perfect. For me I'm just a regular user and a IS (Information Systems) college student that uses Linux (Mint). I've been using Linux since 2012 and stayed with it in 2016 but only use Windows in a VM especially for college. For me I'm glad part 3 you'll integrate Linux into Linux, I always recommend people who switching is to find alternatives to the programs you're using on Windows, use them on Windows, and then try it on Linux either a VM or a separate hard drive (I agree dual booting is a pain). The monitor issue is sadly a XOrg issue and I think Fedora gotten that fixed with Wayland (either Gnome or Plasma). LoL used to work fantastic on Linux (for me I couldn't get into it but played a little and seen it worked for people who do play it) but ever since they added anti cheat that's when it stopped. With Linux gaming work better than before but with Kernel level anti cheats it's been an issue, Valve helped a little but others aren't on board.
Linux is a learning curve. There's advantages and disadvantages which you covered. Great trying it out again and experiencing the difference between Windows and Linux. Everyone's experience is different so good to see your perspective.
Even though I've tried using Linux as desktop off and on for 25 years, I feel your pain. I use different tools, but often ones that work on both Windows and Linux, but due to issues like yours I end up going back to Windows.
Yup. The constant need to tweak and research issues on Linux eventually wear me down enough that I switch back to windows. I really want an OS that just works and doesn’t sell my data to get richer. If that means paying a subscription fee, so be it.
I'm integrating as well. It's steps like this that will make us better at using Linux and will make Linux better because it creates competition. I am in the process of getting a 70% Linux 30% Windows situation going. One step at a time. Getting my Linux pc working flawlessly is taking a lot of work, but progress is being made :) I used the Nobara distro for it's content creator/gaming base elements that are baked into the distro. Nobara was great for davinci, but it was an endeavor just to get the OS installed! I have had problems from day one with the install and transition, but I keep working at it one step at a time. Keep up the positive attitude and keep creating! The Microsoft AI guy was hilarious!
Wayland isn't exactly buggy nowadays unless your GPU is a not properly supported with the drivers. A lot of distros are choosing to ship wayland by default instead of xorg
It depend of the GPU. AMD work great out of the box but for Nvidia, you need to do some tweak to get it work properly on Wayland. Also, Linux Mint doesn't support Wayland because of the Cinnamon desktop but it will near futur.
@@mathiasdeweerdt1400 scaling is seamless on wayland kde plasma 6 and video/audio sharing is working perfectly using Vesktop or even your web browser..
Hey man nice video I enjoyed it alot! Next time I suggest you to use a rolling release distro so you can get the latest nvidia drivers and kernel, and all the latest versions of the DE etc..
9:32 I recorded a video recently in OBS on my Linux Mint and some of the audio was missing too. I thought it was because I was overstressing the laptop because I was running a VM (Windows 10) with non-persistent storage but I have 16 GB of RAM in the laptop. I was pretty annoyed when I couldn't really use the footage because of the missing audio!
Wow, you immediately hit the two reasons I abandoned Linux desktop last year: scaling issues on multi-monitor, and lack of codec support in the Linux version of Resolve. I've tried digging into it since then and was told that having different sized monitors is just too uncommon. Interesting how there are several others out there with this problem, this video exists, but NO ONE ELSE would need a fix for it. I also went with the dual-boot option because I knew a lot of my games wouldn't work. The problem is that the more I had to switch to Windows for my workflow and switch back, the more I realized there wasn't a part of my workflow that *required* me to go back to Linux. If I have to use Windows to get the job done anyway, why even bother leaving it? The hammer comparison was great. The way I compare Linux is like a flat-headed screwdriver. Technically, you can use one on almost any screw and *probably* make it work. However, in most cases, unless you have a flat-headed screw that it's designed for it just makes more sense to use the right screwdriver. In that case, Windows tends to be that screwdriver with interchangeable bits; it may not always be the best choice, but in 99% of cases it's the path of least resistance to get the job done.
For a lot of things Windows is NOT the best choice, I'm thinking servers and computers that need to control a small system like a display, but for a personal Computer OS Linux does not work as well as Windows in a lot of ways, a lot of that is software support. But if you're running a server I would suggest Linux over Windows. So they are both better at different things. I sometimes use my Linux Mint for personal computer tasks but there are things that it just can't do that my Windows can.
Resolve has codec support if you get the paid version. they intentionally limit it for free version. also scaling on linux works but you gotta use nvidia with newest drivers
I have the same issue with dual monitors . Constant refreshing and switching back and forth , turning them off so quickly that it's unusable. One monitor works just fine though
Yes, not being able to scale interface on different monitor is limitation, but only on X11, which is what Cinnamon desktop still uses by default. That wouldn't be that big of an issue on Wayland GNOME or KDE Plasma, but if you depend on X11 apps (which you are if touching mostly anything proprietary), you still have to go with some compromises (and different ones for different options, with KDE being the best at the moment by giving you the choice of a poison). But frankly, Windows is not perfect on that aspect either, I saw some weird artifacts or display problems there too when using fractional scaling (scale that's not multiplier of 100%)
What's also an issue for me on Linux is that some programs like JDownloader or Steam don't scale with the system setting. On Windows that's pretty much a non-issue. I use Arch btw.
@@dominik2327 I mean, yes, I use "%U -forcedesktopscaling 1.25" as arguments for steam, but that doesn't work for java-based apps. The only ones that come to mind are JDownloader and RuneLite (Oldschool RuneScape client) in that case, but still.
That obs not saving your settings thing happens on windows and mac too, it just has to crash or close ungracefully, it literally saves them to the disk on close, terrible design but not a linux exclusive problem.
Also did a bit of research on your camera and using it on Linux, I was able to find two pieces of software that would allow you to use the pan/tilt/zoom functions of it. (Camset and guvcview for those with the same hardware and wanting to try something) I'm unaware if this is full support of the options or just gimbal control, but just wanted to leave my findings here for anyone who was interested.
OBS is a terribly written program with a lot of straight up UNDEFINED BEHAVIOR if you try to use it for more than recording your screen and maybe putting a webcam in the corner. It also hasn't improved at all in a decade or so. Sad that there isn't a better alternative, whether it be open source or paid
For part 3 may I suggest the QEMU training wheels. While I was learning the Linux ropes, I kept a windows 10 VM local on my machine. That way if I got frustrated or needed to get things done I could fire up the VM and take care of business. Best of both worlds and no painful dual boot to deal with. I use a tool called virt manager to run the VM locally.
Great video! Here's a tip from someone who's exclusively run Linux for the last 8 years. Distros do not matter. Find an OS that fits your hardware and use case. Then learn to use alternative software and methods to accomplish goals. Also, don't add extra pressure by setting time limits or recording yourself while you're trying to learn something new.
I'll add, it's the UI that matters: KDE, Gnome or Cinamon, and the package manager that matters: APT (slow), RPM (updated) or Arch (bleeding-edge). Once that's chosen, the actual distro matters much less.
Also a long time linux user over here and I tend to concur.... distros dont matter. The desktop environment DOES. Getting into the weeds on pros and cons of different distros isnt really relevant when the way you interact with your machine is so fundamentally different between different DEs. Often a distro gets recommended based not on the distros strengths, but on the DE and the amount of precustomization that has been done.... (Garuda, Zorin etc.) We'd be better off asking a new user what their workflow looks like and what hardware they are using to make a recommendation rather than blanket telling them to use a specific distro.
Also Wayland pretty much fixes multi-monitor setups with different resolutions, frame rates, and scaling. You don't have that multi monitor is just one big virtual monitor thing like in xorg.
There ARE no alternatives for industry standards. Sure, if you work entirely on your own, then maybe you can use alternatives. You'll just have to get used to working slower for a month while you figure it out. But clients and co-workers expect you to have certain software. So if you're in the design industry and you try to use something that isn't Adobe, well guess what? They're not going to be able to open your stuff and it's not going to work and you'll be out of a job. And frankly, the whole experience isn't even worth it unless you're a masochist or you REALLY hate Windows and Mac.
Thanks for addressing the 2 monitor independent scaling problem. This is a pretty basic capability and it's inexcusible that Linux doesn't have it. I've noticed that sometimes it works with GPU driven video, but sometimes even when the feature is available, it malfunctions in a number of ways. I run 100% Linux now but we need more emphasis on making Linux useful for work, which means better applications and a reliable foundation.
BTW, windows doesn't have a real solution to this yet (I have a 1920X1080 screen and a notebook with a 2560x1440 and i assure you, this combo is a painfull one). Just the MACs handled this combination properly)
Wayland compositor supports it. My setup with Hyprland works perfectly. Some GTK applications can be a little blurry with decimal values, but Windows doesn't support this properly either.
The thing about FOSS is that a hell of a lot of software is available cross platform - like browsers, Libre Office, GIMP, Freetube, Thunderbird, Davinci etc, etc. - so I always recommend people stick to whatever OS they're using and just switch to free software vs proprietary. Then after a month or two (or never) you can just do what you're already doing with a Linux DE having hit upon a workflow (or not) in the OS you're familiar with. It's not going to work for everyone, but you might as well figure that out before installing Linux :)
Some ppl (me included) has been using Krita, Blender, GIMP, Inkscape, etc on Windows even. GIMP isn't great but it's not adobe which is already a big plus. The other programs are amazing and should even be industry standards imo.
Solid video. I like this kinda of content and think it helps get the word of Linux out there. Other people might not need the software you did so they might give it a shot still. And hopefully these things keep encouraging devs to make progress. I went full Linux about a month ago and love it. Sometimes there's something I need to change or work around but I'm ok with that. I know everyone is going to suggest something different. But I am very happy with Pop!_OS on my main desktop and Fedora on my laptop.
Hey man. I use arch full time. Vscode for coding. Gimp for photo editing. I game on Linux no problem. My Logitech wecam works no issues. I tried a lot of distros in the beginning. I didn’t like mint. Trouble shooting sucks in the beginning. Once you get the kinks worked out you’ll never look back. You just gotta find the apps that work to replace the ones you love in windows. Good luck
i also dont get the mint hype. i also think people need to stick to defaults until they have a few months under their belt. it's like trying to rebuild an engine and you dont know a thing about them.
As a member of the "Just Want It to Work!!!" group, I can understand where you are coming from. I use Linux for my daily driver. Yet, I fully agree with your opinion. I learned long ago that you use the OS that meets your needs. Since I do not use the Adobe Creative Suite, I can find alternatives to most applications I use. For work, on the other hand, I use Windows. I have an application that will not work on Linux. From what I have seen, if you are using Windows-only hardware or software, then Linux may not be the best choice.
Your scaling issue is one thing I hate about Linux. The inconsistencies of basic features across distros or more commonly desktop environments. I checked and I can scale individually no problem in KDE on Fedora. I've distro hopped a bunch in the past to find something that just works and it feels like there is no "best" for any given setup, it's just about finding the tradeoffs you're willing to accept. I am still trying to fully transition to linux because I really don't like Win11, but I also have the "old game whos anticheat doesn't work in linux that I should probably just give up but can't" too so I will probably end up dual booting in the end.
It's because Mint uses X11. Fractional scaling is possible on every other distribution, which uses Wayland by default. In GNOME, fractional scaling is hidden behind an experimental option but it works fine for native Wayland applications. Fedora KDE uses Wayland only, so fractional scaling is fully supported.
*_"I am still trying to fully transition to linux because I really don't like Win11"_* Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to switch to Windows 11?
I appreciate your honesty - it's not all sweetness and light! :) The lack of Wireguard UI caught me out when I decided to take Linux for a whirl - the trick is to import your conf file using the nmcli command line - not ideal... then (depending on your desktop) you can just toggle it on and off, and there's a nice connector to show it's up - I use gnome, and that's good enough for me - reminds me of Android and quick toggles etc.
There is no need to use the command line. Any graphical NetworkManager manager which usually sits on your system tray represented by a wifi or wired connection icon can do it with a few mouse clicks.
@@MrPurle Check if you have all the VPN plug-ins for NetworkManager, maybe your distro is packaging them separately or some such. Wireguard is first and foremost a Linux technology and is built-in right into the Linux kernel and can be controlled through NetworkManager.
@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 I stand corrected! Thanks for making me go back and having another look... I have just found the super obvious "Import from file" button that I swear wasn't there before! I have no idea how long it's been there, but it wasn't there when I initially switched... things move fast! :D With the Wireguard UI built in like this (inc. import), I have to say it surpasses the implementation on Windows.
@@MrPurle Glad to hear that my advice was helpful somehow! It has been there for a long time, maybe even from the beginning? I use Linux as daily driver for work in a home office setting for about 14 years now and while my employer uses OpenVPN, it is basically the same process. And yes, it truly surpasses the implementation on Windows because it does not rely on third party clients for its VPN functionality. Everything is beautifully managed by NetworkManager. That said, certain VPN providers might provide features that go beyond the typical VPN such as choosing different countries, proxying, etc. that are better handled by their custom VPN clients.
I really like those videos because they give me a glimpse to what Linux looks like to new users and I think it's valuable Info because we should improve on these Obstacles :)
I enjoyed this, thank you for sharing! And props for trying something new and even adopting it into your life after the challenge, even if only partially. I've been all in on Linux for about 6+ years and I love it, but it is certainly not ideal for all use cases. I'm just lucky enough that pretty much everything I need to do doesn't need tools like Photoshop and really like how Linux/Unix systems work and what they have to offer. But before I went "full Linux", I dual booted with Windows for years (I started playing around/using Linux around 2009), simply because there were too many things that I needed/wanted that I couldn't use on Linux (mainly games, Office and later Visual Studio). Nowadays Linux has much improved and my use cases are all covered under Linux, I have high hopes that it will continue improving and maybe some day it might be a better fit for you. In the end a computer is just a tool. I really like it when people want to give Linux a try, but in the end everybody should use the tool that works best for them for the job.
I mean that really depends on what you use tbh. Most things just work fine out of the box on Linux (sometimes better than on windows like drivers for AMD cards, you have to do nothing at all there), sometimes you just need to click a few buttons at the start and you're good to go, unfortunately sometimes the software developer/hardware manufacturer decides to make life hell for you, usually not intentionally but soemtimes intentionally too. It's hardly ever a Linux problem as much as it is a company choice problem, which is bad because it means those who want to contribute to Linux can't do much about it besides getting enough people to switch to Linux to force these companies to care (I mean, several million users already use Linux, without mentioning 98% of servers that run websites, so you'd think they'd care about making more money but they don't care enough sometimes). On that note Linux users (not saying devs cause everyone can contribute to Linux's code), including some big companies, are hard at work to try and make things work on Linux as effortlessly as possible, to great success too (see Steam with Proton, which pretty much runs any game unless the company actively chooses not to support Linux, like for example by disabling a simple setting if they use a kernel-level anticheat like EAC). Even stuff like photoshop couold work except due to a webpage in the installation process prompting for your login (AFAIK) which doesn't render through wine, allegedly you can work-around this by copying the files from your windows install to Linux but I never tried cause I never used Adobe products such as Photoshop.
Yeah, my main issue with Linux is that anything can "just work" for someone, but that doesn't by any means imply that you'll have anything approaching a good experience with it. I spent three hours trying to get Bottles to run anything at all, for example, but was never able to get anything to run properly. The closest I got was getting a program to run but it was so broken that it was unusable. My file manager wouldn't let me manage certain files, so I spend a few hours trying to figure that out. Had to install some sort of addon that did some sort of workaround which made it technically work, but it was inconvenient to use. I could go on all day because I had issues with Libre Office, Proton, desktop environment customisation, and more, but I'll stop there. Long story short is that "it just works" is only really true if you want to browse Facebook and check your email and that's it.
@escthedark3709 yeah I can't imagine coming home from your 9-5 job and having to deal Linux incompatibility issues. Like Linux is cool to use in highschool and college to show off to your friends that you're using something completely different and "sophisticated", but yeah I can't imagine using other than putting it on an older computer for grandma to browse the internet.
I think, what most underestimate is, if you have a solid workflow you have to put solid research what works and was doesn’t and plan ahead and search workarounds and substitutes on Linux - and sometimes there isn’t any. Linux can be a drop-in replacement for lots of things but not everything. People put thoughts when they move from Windows to Mac but yolo it when they try Linux and declare it unsuitable.
Yeah, that was kind of the same outcome for me when I tried to switch into Linux couple of years ago, same problems, user-unfriendliness, and lacking support for various stuff I wanted plugged into my system just made me go back to windows and deal with it
Microsoft Windows just stresses me out too much to use it. This feeling of dread and hopelessness overcomes me. I can't handle it. Knowing that some Epstein island scumbag nerds are in complete control of my digital life is not for me. That is the reality of the situation.
@@1pcfred *_"Microsoft Windows just stresses me out too much to use it. This feeling of dread and hopelessness overcomes me. I can't handle it."_* Your case has nothing to with Windows, instead you need psychiatric help. My wife, my kids.... none of the care about the OS at all...they log in, and start the application they want to use. What do you even have on your PC that you worry so much about? Child pornography? *_"Knowing that some Epstein island scumbag nerds are in complete control of my digital life is not for me."_* ...says the guy using this web site created by one of the most controversial companies in the world when it comes to spying on people, you even decided to create a Google account and I'm 100% sure you use their Gmail and Chrome too while exposing yourself as Paul Frederick. Clown... 🤡
Yeah, I definitely think this is the right video under which I should leave my questions and describe my concerns. I'm not happy with Windows (bloatware, telemetry, recall spying, some bugs), and I am very intrigued by Linux, but there are things that bother me about and I want to ask about them, relative to my usage goals and based on those Linux versions that caught my attention - "Nobara", "Garuda", "Fedora 40", "CatchyOS", "Bazzite": 1. HDR: - I have an HDR monitor and I moved from W10 to W11 because of the HDR functionality and settings W11 provide (AutoHDR that actually works great for me with non-HDR games, "Windows HDR Calibration" app, "DisplayHDR test" app etc.), so do you know how is the HDR experience in those Linux versions? In games with native HDR, or non-HDR games that can be tonemapped like with the Windows "AutoHDR" function, or even HDR movie files on the PC? - In W11 I had some problems with taking screenshots while HDR was ON (they were overexposed, washed out), but now there is a workaround fix which is a toggle option in the "Snipping tool" app, that lets you take screenshots with "HDR color correction" applied. Also since I use Adobe programs for my work, there are some issues with Photoshop and some other programs that look awful in the menu itself when HDR is ON, don't know how to explain it but the menu of the program itself is dimmed and it is not visually correctly represented, it does not look how it should look and it is not reproducing the correct colors, although I have set up my monitor ICC profile. - Will all of this be better in Linux from that point of view? - Is everything HDR-related going to work in Linux as it should and do I have to be an "IT specialist" with "Terminal skills" to be able to set everything up properly? 2. GAMES: - In my free time I play mostly older games and one of them is Apex Legends, but since it is using Easy anti-cheat, will I have problems on Linux playing Apex online (through Steam) with my friends? - Also how is the game-modding in Linux (I am still stuck in time with the good old Skyrim mod days with Nexus Mod Manager, Mod Organizer 2, Loot etc.), will I have problems with those kind of stuff working at all in Linux? - Also can I install and play all of my games from my "EpicGames" library from my account there in the platform, will that work? 3. WORK: - For work, I am using: > Adobe Photoshop, > Adobe Illustrator, > Adobe InDesign, > Clip Studio Paint, > ArtRage, > XPpen software for my drawing tablet, > 3DSmax with all the rendering software such as V-ray etc., > Google SketchUp - so will all of that work as it should on Linux? Emulated or not, does it work as a native Windows app, I mean normally without issues? 4. OPERA: - I am mainly using Opera browser (Chrome as well but as a side browser) with several saved browser workspaces (named differently for different usage categories) with hundreds of opened tabs that are slept with "The Marvellous Suspender" browser extension (because I use them organized for my historical hobby-topics and several unfinished projects), will I have problems with using the same type of Opera functionality in Linux, using browsers the same way like I am doing it in Windows? (this is my way of work, don't judge me, it is convenient for my needs) 5. STREAMING: - I am also using Kodi, Stremio and stream movies, tv shows, so will all of those work in Linux too? In Stremio there is an extension called "Torrentio" that I am using and you can guess what it does by its name. Will I have problems doing all of that in Linux?
Thanks for making the video. I know there are so many different components to a Linux OS, that there are going to be different complaints for all sorts of issues. One of the problems, the scaling of different monitors, should be fixed when Mint switches to Wayland protocol instead of X11. Although switching to Wayland will bring with it a host of other problems, at least it is being actively worked on. I am glad you shared your experiences with the public and I do hope things continue to improve for you and everyone else that wants to try out a distro.
Start using a (proper) Linux that allows you to switch between X11 and Wayland. Besides those "advanced" (as in giving you more choice hence you need to know more to make those choices) distros like Arch/Gentoo (or if we're really going there Slackware and LFS). I thought that at this point anything offering KDE (so also Kubuntu) let's you choose X11 or Wayland during login screen?
@@techcodenet If both display managers are installed, then you should be able to select either one at the login screen (sddm for Plasma and gdm for Gnome). Some OSes will stop shipping X11 entirely, although the user should be able to still install it as long as the packages are in the repo of that distro. Fedora being one of those distros that wants to remove X11 soon both on the Gnome and Plasma systems.
@@TeamLinux01 exactly this "some OSes stop shipping X/Y/Z" is why almost 2 decades later, and numerous attempts with Ubuntu, Centos, Sabayon, Arch ... I'm still on Gentoo - ok these days it's Gentoo based Calculate Linux - so 99% of precompiled binaries.
Most of this issues (and most youtubers issues i have seen) are compatibility issues because some software/hardware doesn't support linux. This has a good side and a bad one. The good part is that most of the linux experience (apart from that compatibility part) is really good and polished. The bad side is that those issues can't be just fixed, there have to be workarounds (like alternatives) extra tools (like wine or proton) or that the creators make this things compatible with linux. The first 2 are really hard to make and the third one only will happend when linux gets more popular. Obviously there are more problems to solve, like improving wayland, but compatibility is the biggest by far
You stick with Linux long enough and you find a workflow that works. That is when the fun begins because believe it or not there are lots of things you can do in Linux that you can not do on Windows or Mac. Best of luck with the series. Looking forward to part 3.
@@MrGamelover23 Oh I get it. If the employer or customer wants it, they get it. Over the years I've worked in a Mac shop, lots of corporate Windows shops, and I even got to use whatever I wanted when working at HP. But personally on hardware I own, it's been Linux for many many years.
Kudos for giving it a try. I have bene daily driving Xubuntu for a year and a half. I advocate for people to switch, but the first question I ask is what is their use case and are they willing to put in some time to learn a new software to do the task. I make vids as well and had an issue with OBS (really my mic) recording just left channel audio. I would like to get a new mic, but in the mean time, I just record audio with Audacity, duplicate the audio to make it stereo, export to mp3, and import into KDEnlive to do editing. My wife decided she wanted to switch to Linux because of windows pushing the AI thing. She has a ROG laptop. Everything thing works well for her. We have a couple of issues when she tries to run games, but I am researching that for her. I get the dual booting hell. Been there and survived. The biggest thing I found, it goes a lot smoother if you use two separate drives for the OS's. If that is not an option, live boot into a distro. Use Gparted to resize the window partition. But from what I have gathered, don't do it by more than a half. Then reboot and make sure you can still load up Windows. If you can, you should be good to go.
You've nailed the explanation at the end(pun only slightly intended). My biggest problems with Linux are: 1. Software I use constantly /not/ being supported and any Linux alternative my research has revealed would require me to start from scratch, rewrite years worth of scripts, possibly not have all the same functionality, or require me to run a compatibility layer and /still/ not have full functionality. 2. The extra "security" of the permission system has only made getting certain things working tedious or downright headache inducing as I've run into situations where something just /doesn't/ work and doesn't /tell you/ why it's not working, and I spent literal hours figuring out why and how to fix it, and then further time how to fix it properly so it doesn't revert back as soon as I reboot the system. Or having to get into the honestly bad habit of just sudo-ing anything that doesn't work the first time I try and/or entering my password on autopilot whenever prompted. It's honestly only slightly more secure than people getting in the habit of automatically clicking yes on confirmation dialogs. It's the security vs. convenience problem. Generally, the more secure something is the less convenient it is to get stuff done. See airport security and all the anti-shoplifting measures popping up at stores. I suppose it works in reverse, the more convenient things are the less secure. 3. If I could accept the first and learn my way around the second, it /still/ doesn't give me something I personally need/want enough to make it worth it. Your analogy at the end is pretty good I don't want to spend months/years relearning how to pretty well master an OS when it doesn't offer anything I truly need/want over windows and even costs me some things I use regularly. I mean I fully accept there's things Linux can do that Windows just can't or doesn't do well, the problem is... I don't really /need/ those things. Those things wouldn't really add enough to the way I use my computer to justify the investment and loss of some of my favorite programs. I mean I still think Linux is pretty cool, and there are many use-cases for it to /other/ people, but my demands are different and I'm just so heavily invested in windows that the sunk-cost fallacy is heavily set in. I mean Linux could probably do /most/ of what I do on a regular basis, but not everything, and the things it /can/ do it doesn't really do it in a significantly, obviously-noticeable better way compared to windows. I mean I can run a browser and watch youtube just as easily on linux as on windows, but not somehow better. I mean if I wanted a ton of tabs open Linux would have more available RAM, which does help in a specific use-case of heavily modded minecraft with enough RAM left over to lookup stuff on wikis for the various mods. However that alone isn't worth changing OSes.
# 1 and #2 are solved by learning more. #3 is a personal thing. 1. Plain and simple, all the software you use CAN be used on Linux, you just need to use it the right way. You can virtualize Windows and literally run everything you've ever wanted through it. That way, Microsoft can only spy on you when you need to use crappy programs like Adobe. 2. The permission system is literally the easiest thing ever. You just type in "chmod +r/w/x" depending on if you need the file to be readable, writeable, or executable. That's it. When it comes to overusing sudo, you just need to be mindful of what you're doing. Running a script and you don't know what does? Uh, don't do that. 3. It's fine not to have a use case for Linux. You should still consider using Linux so you know how to use more than just Windows or MacOS. Get a raspberry pi or small computer and just mess around with it for a while. You will find use cases, I promise.
For some linux is like a hobby, but they don't want to accept the fact, that others may want to use OS in the same way like most ppl use their cars - as a tool to get from point A to point B, not as a hobby at all, not spending their precious time just on the tool itself.
@@pantarei. I use linux as a tool to get from point A to point B, and I find it much easier to administer than Windows servers. It's basically the difference between driving a manual versus automatic transmission. From your perspective driving a car with a manual transmission might be a lot more work, and require a lot of wasted effort, but from my perspective it provides me with precise control. But I will be the very first to tell you to stay away from Linux. It is not a tool for everyone, and most people would be better served by Microsoft's proverbial automatic transmission, even if it does spy on you and wants to be your new digital parent.
Well it comes down to each individual's use case. ARE you dependent on CERTAIN APPLICATIONS working, or can you switch to other applications doing about same thing, maybe somewhat differently. Personally I do run dualboot system (defaulting to Linux), Windows is mainly for gaming, and Linux for other stuff. And well in my system I do circumvent all problems about dualbooting by having each os installed on different SSD. I choose on boot time which one I want to use.
You did choose the wrong one, Linux Mint has no Wayland support right now. That actually might be the source of some of your issues, like the monitor scaling one. KDE scales better. 💀
I installed Fedora KDE and kept getting plasma shell errors. Every time I do a clean install of a Linux distro I get a new weird error or bug. Windows is boring in comparison as it's the same everytime by just working. Plus scaling on wayland is still trash and they can't even get the basics right where you mouse cursor randomly goes huge.
@@V1CT1MIZED They actually did get scaling right, better than scaling on Windows, even. Also the cursor is a feature not a bug, they're glazing Macs, they do the cursor shaking too.
Dude you did more effort than most and I love the idea of daily driving all of them! Linux and Windows and Mac. And if Linux becomes more useable then it will be easier to fully convert ! Linux is good for some things and its getting there for others!
I used Linux for over a year dual-booting with Windows. It's the longest I ever lasted, and I got almost everything working and a workflow I really enjoyed. League was working, Genshin was working, I even got games working that didn't have linux tutorials yet. Was feeling good. I used it in a dual boot setup with Windows for when I occasionally needed that very specific application. But for the first time, my retreat back to Windows had little to do with Linux itself. It had to do with the fatigue of managing a dual-OS workflow. The biggest annoyance was having to shut down everything I was doing in one OS and boot the other one just to accomplish a task, it was like using old single-program computers that didn't even have OS' back in the day (you'd have to shut the whole computer down and bring it back up to load another program). The second biggest annoyance was managing two file systems, one NTFS and one ext4. The amount this eventually contributed to my sense of disorganization and digital clutter became too much, and trying to move files between the partitions was always a problem. Windows does not recognize ext4 at all, and pretty much all third party programs that allow you to access an ext4 file system from Windows are a terrible experience. So if I wanted to transfer files between partitions, I'd have to do it on Linux, adding another potential reboot moment to my workflows AND creating a potential problem for data integrity because the NTFS driver on Linux is reverse-engineered and *is not perfect.* Eventually I got too anxious about my data and too inconvenienced by the split workflow that I just wanted to consolidate everything in one place again. And I would have loved to consolidate it on Linux. But even just those few remaining programs that don't work right on Linux means that I needed to consolidate back on Windows instead. Additionally, I never felt my data was as safe on Linux, because the way programs, scripts, and the package manager often interface with the entire file system as root frequently causes infamous bugs which result in people's root directory getting nuked, or just accidentally doing it yourself with one bad flag or argument into a command. something that is made extremely difficult on Windows. Linux feels like a bit of a ship of Theseus in that regard, whereas Windows feels as though it has a solid immutable foundation and my data is protected by well-considered separation between programs, the system at large, and my user data. Windows is a ship and I can load it with cargo. Whereas on Linux, the cargo is part of the ship, installing programs modifies your base system and dependency changes can cause rippling effects on other programs, and if you use a rolling release distro especially, it kindof feels like the ship and everything on it are always falling apart (and hopefully regenerating) together. It made me appreciate how Windows' programs are designed to be more portable and self-contained, as that ends up making the system itself feel more stable. The tradeoff is that Windows file systems are not portable (reinstalling Windows is a huge pain), whereas Linux root directories are highly portable, which is better in the server space and for reinstalling or migrating from one machine to another.
I can understand that jumping between installations would be frustrating. What you really needed was a virtual machine running Windows seamlessly: QEMU/KVM. You can make it run at near native speeds too. The other alternative is to have three drives: NTFS for windows, ext4 for Linux and fat32/exfat/ntfs for data. Both systems could then access the data drive and you would only need to store or copy your files there for universal accessibility. On another note, NTFS is very secure and stable on Linux. In my 24 years of using Linux I have never nuked anything nor have I lost or corrupted files on ntfs partitions. It may have been flakey decades ago, but I use it everyday and have done so without issue. Why not give it another go.
I've seen there's tools for reading ext2/3/4 XFS and BTRFS on Windows, but I don't know how well they work. It's also very shady of Microsoft to not add the abillity to directly read ext4 given that it DOES read ext4 for what you have inside WSL 2. So technically it can do it, but it's out of reach for your own drives. I'm in the same camp, though I'm not that annoyed. I switched to Linux (way overdue) at the start of the year and still have the original Windows 10 that, to be frank, worked basically flawlessly for 7 years (especially after I got the Pro license and configured it to no longer do automatic updates). So I have 1 SSD and 1 HDD with NTFS and another SSD with ext4. Luckily for me, so far I didn't need to go back to Windows for any specific app so far (literally just went into windows 3 times in 7 months, one just to check if its still running and to do updates, and once to more easily read some DVDs and an USB stick which seemed to be with NTFS. I'm sure I could've made them work in Linux too, but I was time pressured). Still there's a lot of games that I didn't test / check if they run on Linux. Though so far what I did test did work, including a game that didn't work in Windows. I'll have the consolidation on the new laptop, whenever will that happen.
*_"I used Linux for over a year dual-booting with Windows. It's the longest I ever lasted, and I got almost everything working and a workflow I really enjoyed."_* ....yep, got ALMOST everything working.... and after how many weeks, moths? And what is this "almost"? A browser, notepad, a media player?
@@The_Penguin_City a separate user data partition won't be safe from a root nuke, it's seen as logically the same as any other directory. And of course I try to avoid running things as root but it's not always possible. Different programs are designed with different privileges in mind. And sometimes you do need to tinker with system level stuff and it's way fucking riskier on Linux than in Windows.
Haha the sequence with the AI guy was hilarious! Good effort giving Linux a go, and good reflective video. Linux takes quite a shift in mindset. I think that the common mistake with Linux desktop is to buy into trendy distributions that promise an out of the box experience, only to end up frustrated. Better instead, in my opinion (and in retrospect!), to go with a "classic" distribution like Debian or Arch with a minimal installation where almost nothing works out of the box and build up your system from there, but understandably, not everyone would want to do that. Also NVIDIA s**ks! Just needed to get that out of my system! xD
Bro...that software is available. You just have to switch your distro, or compile it yourself from a random Github that hasn't been updated in 3 years.
Look, I know you just spent 21 days finally getting your software to work, and you still have some major issues with Audio decoding... but you should nuke your system and start from scratch with this distro that's built on the same kernel version because it'll stop Chrome from shaking. (Though it will break drag-and-drop interactions with Chrome).
I agree with you there. Desktop Linux is "good enough" when it comes personal use or Indie stuff. But once you want to do some actual work in the enterprise or commercial sector. You have to use the software that they also use which mostly is proprietary like Adobe, Autodesk, and MS Office. 100% full compatibility is very important since each members usually share or work on the same files, One inconsistency in the workflow could be detrimental and can even get you fired or blacklisted from the industry which you wouldn't want to happen. But if you're working on a personal indie project that you may want to sell on your own without requiring collaboration with other businesses, Linux is pretty good since you control all the workflow. WINDOWS/MAC = Inter-business/enterprise work LINUX = Personal / Indie
The biggest problem with youtuber Linux reviews is unavoidable and I don't blame any content creators for it: needing to use creative tools. Most people I know don't need advanced music, video editing, or creative tools. Most people just need a browser, maybe libreoffice, and messaging apps. So the negative experience most youtube reviews have are because they use professional tools. It would be a better review to force a "normal" person use linux, then make the video from their opinions
It'd still be nice if Linux had those programs. But I can understand why Linux doesn't. People doing that amount of work do expect to get compensated for it. In this world they can too.
I enjoyed your Linux challenge video so much more than most others! Coincidentally, I started my own Linux challenge project during the last week. I currently do not have any specific software needs, as I've only just starting my video edit learning journey & I have never done much in Photoshop, so whatever photo editor I choose, I'll will be starting from scratch. I started by installing Linux Mint and Zorin OS Pro 17.1 on a 13 y.o. Sony AIO to test which one to use. I've settled on Zorin OS Pro 17.1 as it seemed like a smaller learning curve and better overall UX.
You will probably find your journey to using Linux easier than others who have years of invested time and money into specific workflows. Both of those distros will provide a decent experience for a new user without getting too into the weeds right away like you might if you have been given the bad advice to try Gentoo or Arch right out of the gate...
I think the main problem is the beard .... it's neat and well trimmed, to run Linux effectively it should include various debris and 2-3 small animals.
You did, indeed, use the wrong distro ;) Any distro using Gnome or KDE would have used Wayland which would've solved a few problems, and would've added a GUI for Wireguard too
I don't know what any of that means... And I kinda don't have the time to learn it. Linux will be "ready" when normies with kids and long working hours and limited free time can use it without pulling our beards out in clumps. It's not there yet. I just checked.
@@AllSeeingEy3 you can just plug a flash drive in and Linux will boot up. I don't see how it can get any simpler than that. Do you need someone to insert the USB device in for you? Is that what it'd take?
Thumbs up. Your experience, similar to CraftComputings experience on his linux challenge is like mine. I like to game, thats windows, my work is on a mac, and my servers are all linux and bsd. I enjoy repairing and fixing, but lordy, some days i just wanna game and its mind numbing having to fix shit, or why do settings revert ? Oh, that package that work now doesn’t because it forced to update by another package… I love linux for the things it can do. I hate the things it cant or flat out wont do (and they claim windows is idiosyncratic!?). But yeah, closest to gaming on linux is bazzite (exclude crossover) and its okay, but still, not all my games work on it. Linux is not for me as a daily driver.
The issues with Linux is to make stuff permanent you need to make bash scripts and make them executable. And this doesn't always work... As far as which Distro is the right distro, Its the one that makes you stay with Linux. I wish it was better than that. Although Zorin is very polished and functional. As soon as I wanted my monitor to look right, I ran into nothing supported. I ran into you cannot customize it. So I ended up with putting Mint on an old ACER. Its been about 3 weeks and Im still doing setup. Currently trying to make VibrantLinux to give my overly bright monitor some color at startup instead of having to reset the level every start up. But I am sticking with Linux on this laptop because it cant run Windows 11. Which I am fine with as I am not liking the AI screenshotting my screen every three seconds in what looks more like a privacy concern than anything else!
I think this is mostly a content creator problem, most users have no need for Photoshop, Premiere, expensive hardware products that end up being unsupported. If your use case is simple eough, like I'd guess most people's is, you won't really have as many issues.
What are you crying about? He's just sharing his experience on the product while taking his needs into account, he's not reviewing Linux as a whole for the whole world.
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b I don't see why you'd jump on the offensive, I never said that the channel owner is wrong, I fully agree that Linux sucks for content creation, I just think that content creation is not a topic in which the large majority of people are interested in, so in case that someone were interested in Linux and would stumble upon this video I'd like to point out that for a good bunch of tasks Linux is usable. If you're into movie production or image editing then stick with Windows but for office work and everyday browsing you might try to switch if you're interested.
As a Linux user. All I can say is that you have to get into linux with the same mindset you’d approach a game console. You have to consider which games are exclusive and which are third party. Otherwise you’ll be on a Nintendo Switch complaining about not being able to play God Of War.
As a person who uses Linux for 20 years - partially exclusive - I think you mention very important points which aren't big in the grand scheme perhaps but really about quality of life aspects. Take the WireGuard GUI or your video camera you use to record videos with. I often find myself finding out about tools which come with a GUI and are easy to use for hardware or software issues I had before but that barely get mentioned anywhere because there's no exact standard in these. That's good because most tools are just graphical frontends anyway but bad for everyday users who may be like you just want to try out Linux. Won't complain about you sticking with Windows either but I think to say their stuff just works with Windows or macOS is the easy way out too. Not in the YOU MUST USE LINUX AND FOSS sense but in the sense that there's specific hard- and software optimized for specific operating systems to function with and that's okay. In reality Linux users often use workarounds to get their stuff to function as expected. When it does it's fantastic, when not... well... you saw it for yourself. On a side note, thank you for actually doing a short video capture with that Logitech webcam. I often see it in stores and consider picking it up but seeing it here compared to your main webcam isn't really a great experience.
You're not wrong about the distro you chose. There is no "wrong". All distros are a combination of like 5 things, so anyone who complains about distros just doesn't know Linux very well. I'm personally not a big fan of Fedora or Red Hat, but that's because they tried to screw over the Linux community, not because they're bad distros. Otherwise, just choose your poison. Whatever distro will keep you on Linux for more than 30 days is the one you should go with.
I keep reading comments like yours about fedora and red hat. I recently started using both and I enjoy them but I always remember what you guys say about why you ditched them
nah nowadays distro plays a big role. even the DE does. he chose mint on xorg. Big mistake if he wants proper multimonitor scaling since its not supported on xorg (only wayland), and mint doesn't have wayland yet. if he wanted his monitors and stuff to work, he should've gone with endeavourOS with KDE on wayland.
I too have tried Linux, many times in fact, but every time I do try Linux, history has a habit of repeating itself and I always end up comming back to Windows. So I have decided to never use Linux ever again, for me it's just one disappointment after another. I've made a little list of reasons why I will not miss Linux, which are: I will not miss coming to a grinding halt when trying to do something that is hard to do on Linux but so much easier and simpler on Windows. I will not miss having to look up how to do things. I will not miss having to open the terminal and type in commands just to get a simple task done. You almost never have to do this on Windows. I will not miss having to enter my password every single God dam time I want to do something. I will not miss having no volume normalization function. I will not miss the insanely long loading times. I will not miss clicking an icon and have nothing happen, only for it to finally do something several minutes later after I clicked it. I will not miss clicking an icon and wondering if it's actually doing anything at all. I will not miss Windows games and software not working, or only partially working. I will not miss the fact that only very few games and software for Windows can work flawlessly on Linux. I will not miss not being able to install extensions and plug-ins for Windows software. I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not every time I load Steam. I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not any time I try to install a Windows game or app. I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not any time I try to install any Linux game or app! I will not miss Windows virtual machines that only partially work. I will not miss not being able to save a copy of any software that I download and install. I will not miss buggy and broken software that barely works. I will not miss Linux at all because all the things I can do on Linux, I can do on Windows 100 times more easily. Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing Microsoft at all, it's just that Windows is the better option for me. I still hate the modern Microsoft and everything they stand for, but Windows just ... works. If Linux works for you and you’re happy with it then that’s fine, I’m not trying to make Linux users switch to Windows. Go with what suits you best. As I said, Windows is just the better choice for me, it’s my decision, I have been using Windows nearly all my life, it’s what I know and I don't see any reason to switch to Linux when I just have a much easier computing experience with Windows. I don’t feel “at home” on Linux. Yes I know there is evil spyware in modern versions of Windows, sending your private data off to Microsoft where they can sell it to the highest bidder and get even more money, but there's workarounds to stop all of that. Plus, I have not, and will not, buy a license key as A) I don't trust them to work, B) I'm not giving Microsoft my money, and C) I'm not paying for a key that might not work at all, or expires after half a year. I use activation scripts and whatnot for that. It's my computer, and I will use it how I want to, not how they want me to.
I think most of the "issues" are really the problems with companies making the software not for Linux but for Windows or Mac OS. I honestly don't think it's Linux'es fault that some vendor decides not to make a Linux version of their product. It's a bit like saying WiFi is bad because you don't have a wireless networking card in your computer. Maybe exaggerating but that's my general feeling.
Well, an operating system is only as useful as the software that supports it. And outside of gaming, Linux is no more useful than a Chromebook. Which is fine for most people, but for anyone that actually uses their computer for their livelihood is useless.
It took me a couple tries to come back to using Linux full time. It works for me, but I get why people are apprehensive about a switch. It is a tinkerers OS and if you're wanting to just use your computer to work or complete a task, well Linux can give you headaches. I believe one day it can rival MacOS or Windows, but currently it is more of a hobbyist OS and that's okay.
Idc what anyone says, linux is frustrating. Stuff just doesnt work alot of time. Then you switch distros, and that can fix some problems, but also makes new ones.
I tried three distros and was miserable every time. Turns out I had tried three different versions of Debian... I love that Linux exists but it at least partially exists to make me insane.
I tried to move from Linux to MacOS and Linux to Windows on separate occasions and I had a lot of trouble with all of the incompatibilities that exist in those ecosystems. Windows was better, but they were both exhausting to fiddle with to get my workflow and existing hardware to work with those operating systems. When asking for help from online communities they were extremely dismissive and unhelpful telling me that I was doing things the wrong way and it would never work, but I was using my methods very effectively using multiple Linux distributions and even a couple of BSD variants (which is why I was very shocked that Apple incompatibilities were so insurmountable). I had similar Frustrations switching from and Android phone to an iOS one. I eventually went back to Linux and Android. An bought a Window pre-installed laptop to deal with incompatibilities stemming from Microsoft. I make sure to turn it on one a month to update Windows but have gone 4 months without actually using it and I'm questioning if was worth spending the time and money on it.
Mint uses old technlogy, around 1year 1/2+ old. In Linux thats too long because the development is fast. Use distros like Fedora, Opensuse or Ubuntu. With KDE of Gnome.
Linux Mint is probably the best distro for new users, however in your case you need wayland and you need cutting edge repos for your tech. You might have gotten more luck with Arch, but also maybe not because you need some experience with Linux before you can make full use of Arch.
It seems a little harsh to blame Linux for Riot Games being hostile to Linux and making it not work. Linux is compatible with League of Legends, League of Legends is not compatible with Linux....
I tried to adopt Linux on my desktop a few times now. Each time I failed to stick with it and set it aside and waited a couple of years to let things mature and evolve. Each time I would go back and try it again, I'd fail again. It fails for the same reasons each time: Exceptionally bad printer support (for the modern printer I use) and other simple things in Windows and MacOS are difficult in Linux and require an IT degree to get working. The latter encompasses a lot of simple things like easily auto-mounting attached USB drives and NAS shares at boot without having to resort to obscure config files and mount points. Getting that to work in other OS's is far easier. In Linux I have to put on my propeller hat to try to get it going. Most recently I tried going with Linux Mint, too, for the reasons you mentioned.
Proprietary hardware that doesn’t support the platform but the issue is definitely Linux. WireGuard GUI support is baked into the Network Manager in KDE Plasma. You can’t switch blindly and expect things to just work. Being a more technical person you should have researched a little before making assumptions like a noob. Yes Linux isn’t for everyone and that’s ok. It will probably never be. You switch, you adapt, you make it work and that’s how we stay in Linux. Do not bring the baggage of other operating systems in hopes that everything will work the same because it won’t. That’s the issue that a lot of people have. Unwilling to adapt and change and that’s fine. But don’t blame Linux. As you said these are “your” issues. Don’t take this the wrong way it’s just observations and I think you could do better next time. Great video and awesome way to get stirred up 😂 cheers!
Very cool video, love the humour. Yep, you are 100% correct as regards the hammer analogy. I am a full time Linux user and it works for me, however, I will never tell anyone that they should ditch the other OS they are using because I don't like it. Their workflow, their choice.
As someone who uses all 3, I wouldn't really say that. I used windows my whole life and bought my first mac (mini) last year and have been using Windows less and less since. I haven't turned my windows PC on in a month at this point.
It's bearable, if you only doing one task at the the time. But multitasking, windows management, audio control for different apps and everything about switching between programs are just infuriating. Also mildly annoying that window control buttons slightly offset from corner and not consistent at all even between Apples programs. It's annoying that to close window you should aim at red dot, that constantly moving on several pixels for each window.
This is super subjective and your opinion is nothing but shallow. I have all three and I use Mac the least because it doesn't fit my needs. For what I do, Mac is not that useful. But that's just based on my needs and I will never say mac sucks.
Wayland is mostly fine these days. It is dependent on the distribution and hardware though. I run arch where you have the newest version of all software. And there Wayland runs fine. On my AMD notebook for a year all is fine. On my Nvidia desktop it works well since a couple of month. Nvidia had most issues with Wayland for a while.
Garuda Dragonized has the emulators I want most distros don't have them emulating on other Linux distros were bad for me I will make Linux Mint an exception if I were to upgrade from Windows 10 it would be Garuda Dragonized and not Windows 11 I've noticed some Linux distros don't support the emulators I want on some of them I noticed Wine keeps breaking I might just stick with Garuda Linux or actually install Arch Linux I would stick with a distro that you feel comfortable with most of my emulators I use are Windows only so it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work on different Linux distros I also noticed some Linux distros don't even support Wine so be careful about those. This is based on my experience and break down with Linux so far I am more used to emulating on Windows than Linux but I must admit I am only doing it because Valve is making their way into the Linux community because of Steam Deck for some reason I am obsessed with the Garuda distro because everything works and acts similar to Windows even though it's an Arch based distro this community knows exactly what they're doing I might just go back to them for emulating my games and Steam games.
Oh, another "Linux isn't ready yet rage bait video"
If Linux isn't for you, please just never talk about it anymore instead of making rage bait videos, thank you
Show me on the doll where this video hurt you
@@RaidOwl How original! Now, on the next video, start showing comments like mine and telling "how toxic the Linux community something something".
You ain't fooling anyone here
I’m gonna be honest with you. You’re the only negative comment on his video so far. It seems like it’s not the “rage bait” you think it is. I think you’re just looking for a reason to be mad. Go for a walk brother ✌🏻
@@RaidOwl Glad to know that! But i hope there is more talking about you bs rage bait.
Next time, just use the phrase "Adobe/Riot/This camera doesn't support Linux" and be done with it. You are just getting back what you are putting out there, btw i am walking and responding to this bs rn, gonna tell me to touch grass too?
Lmao you’re weird bro…
The moment i heard Photoshop and lightroom I understood why he quit lol
If you depend on Adobe or MS Office, some other specialised applications or online gaming, it's a complete waste of time switching to Linux. You gotta switch your workflow gradually to the Linux alternatives on your windows or Mac BEFORE you make the switch.
And LoL. Unfortunately these aren't Linux problems but these products' problem and there's nothing we can really do about it (even cause when we do the devs sometimes actively go out of their way to fuck it up)
@@DoktorLorenz I would say for 90% of online game it works, but some of the biggest don't sadly like league for example, luckily for me the ones i do play work online on linux like Overwatch, final fantasy XIV and helldivers to name some online games
@@DoktorLorenz eh tbh depends on the person. For some a gradual approach is better for some starting from scratch and relearning all at once (well, almost all at once) works best.
@@EuroNutellaMani mean can you blame them? I guess adobe and those big companies can create a port for linux but you need to keep in mind that linux only has about ~3.7% of share. Now would a company would like to spend their resources and man power for such a small user share? And before you flame me down with comments, I use linux as a daily drive. I am just trying to share another point of view
My biggest issue with linux is the community. People will say that any distro will work as you can change the DE and stuff, but then they'll act like your choice of distro is bad because they don't like the DE and its lack of customizability to their specific style. Then there's the whole "year of the linux desktop" bs when the community says bs like "the problem with linux is all the GUI stuff. People need to just learn how everything works and use the CLI." Windows became the dominant OS by making things so easy that the layman who knows next to nothing about computers could navigate the OS. There simply cannot be a year of the linux desktop if they do not continue to work on bettering the user experience.
I'm no fan of Microsoft, but the linux community needs to stop being a bunch of hipster blowhards and be more inviting to new linux users. Loved the skit by the way. Perfect representation of Linux vs Windows.
The thing about TH-cam creators documenting their Linux experiment is that they are professionally hooked into the Adobe ecosystem. So they're experiences are skewed in that direction. Someone like myself, it's perfect, because I actively avoid Adobe and most proprietary hardware, professionally I write, I browse the internet and I play single player strategy games. My experience is 1:1 without any diminishment.
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Hmm, yes I could see that, if browser/text editor/single-player/cross-platform games is all you do, linux should probably work just fine. In fact that's /almost/ my use-case, but I have enough niche stuff like macro software, mods, and occasional cheat programs(single-player only, the only experience I'm willing to ruin is my own, and it's usually just to speed up tedious gameplay or just for the fun of seeing how values and such are stored internally and seeing what happens when I set them to unintended values) that just doesn't work well/at-all on linux and has no comparable alternative.
Yeah also these creators are never technical enough to try something like GPU passthrough, despite having the equipment and money to do this. It's relatively easy with 2 video cards, and you can have your cake and eat it too. Want to use adobe? Just load up KVM, start the virtual machine, and use it. Turn off that VM when you're done. If done right, KVM only has a 1-3% performance decrease from running on bare metal.
100% agree. I was stuck on notepad++ since i switched to vscode i moved to linux as a daily driver. But then I would argue mostly I don't care if you run linux or windows, use the most efficient, fun or save tool for whatever you want to do. For gaming i just stream everything from a local windows machine...
But installing DaVinci is a pain.
If you are lucky it will work
And then you have to face random problems like no sound xD
Mate... he's not complaining that there is no Adobe for linux. He's complaining that linux version of an app does not work properly.
Duuuuuuude the Microsoft guy hovering over your shoulder and shoving AI in your face is gold 😂
He wouldn’t stop…
@@RaidOwlso gold!
@@RaidOwl You really hit the nail on the head with that skit.
Try a different distro every month pr quarterly term. Zorin works well for me.
@@leratoradebe6438 zorin is a good starting distro it's very solid, but I feel this creator wants to stay on windows.
The only mistake you made here is only playing league of legends while having a whole ass 4090 😭
Lmao the 4090 is for video editing and running game benchmarks to feel good about myself
@@RaidOwlspeaking of LoL there's a specialized proton version made to run it. In fact most of the apps you needed can be run using proton. That's how I'm doing it personally
@@NoiseStaticBlurwasn't riot introducing Vanguard to league soon (breaking compatibility) or is that not happening anymore?
@@hugevibez That wouldn't matter if they just virtualized Windows inside of Linux and did GPU passthrough
@@NoiseStaticBlurlutris-ge-LoL & proton-ge-LoL
That hammer skit with ai annoyance just made me crack. So true! Love your sense of humor.
yeah, but one of this hammer is free...
Even among linux user they hate each other because they used different "linux" or distro lol
Re: no wireguard Gui
There's no GUI for Linux because the configuration settings are built into the network manager. You just click the import button and select your wireguard config.
What the heck are you trying to say? None of it was intelligible..
@@HarryJarrell what part of the comment are you struggling with? It's plain English about a topic from the video.
@@HarryJarrell : it means you have nothing to install to use the wireguard VPN client. You just click on your network icon in the systray, click configure, and you can add your VPN client configuration. This one is actually more simple than on Windows. But coming from Windows, you expect you need to install a VPN client... and you don't find it so you think it does not exist. It's just because it's supported out of the box.
There's a Docker image for the wg server called wg-easy. It's pretty easy to use and accessible on a browser within your local network. For clients, yeah. I still use cli for that, don't mind.
Color me interested; I was disappointed in an app for one of my VPN providers for it was limited to using OpenVPN. Instead, I just run it from a travel router that is already configured with a VPN instead.
Linux Mint was my first distro I used away from Windows. It's great!
I've switched to Arch now because I love the AUR and pacman.
Aur is pretty nice
LM was my first & maybe last distro cause Ive jumped around a lot recently & had some sort of issue but LM just always seems to work.
LM is not a noob distro, it is just a reliable distro.
Dude, this is literally me. I started using Mint in last November, completely switched to it in December, and I have been using Arch for a month. And I LOVE pacman and AUR.
If the rest of Linux software had a wiki like the Arch wiki, Linux would probably be a usable OS for me. What had taken hours of searching through forum posts on Mint and Ubuntu became seconds or minutes of looking through the Arch wiki. Unfortunately, Arch being great and the AUR containing functional software where everything else is often broken and unusable was not enough for me to consider Linux worth keeping around.
As much as I wish I could use Linux daily, I don't have the kind of time required to fix everything that so many software developers are either too incompetent, lazy, stupid, or otherwise disinclined to fix themselves.
Appreciate the video. Work in IT and have used Linux on the server side for a long time. It's still painful a lot of times and the desktop is still not enough to make me switch to it. Certainly wouldn't call myself hard core but definitely agree with the 'tool' point. It needs to just work, not take you days to conquer another issue. Thanks.
I have the massive itch to switch to Arch Linux KDE Plasma so I can rice the hell out of it to my liking, but I desperately need a lot of programs to work that are exclusive to MacOS and Windows. For daily driver, having to essentially self teach myself a whole new way of computing is just not worth it when I can just boot up my Win11 machine and just do what I need to do and hop off.
@@HawaiianForgeStudios My experience with Linux users: they all claim how great it is, yet they keep going back to Windows at times, whether it's on a laptop, via dual boot or virtual machine.
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b i only have to go back for minecraft bedrock, thats it. i spend way more of my time on linux than windows.
Most reasonable Linux trying video I've seen, there's so many different ways to use a general purpose computer and no OS is best for everyone
Hi, I am just a dude that works on linux stuff as day job (KDE plasma desktop stuff). Just wanted to say that even if you didn't stick around for now I am really glad you tried. Videos like these are valuable for us when it comes to information about things that need improvement. I just want to remind everyone though that most people working on Linux stuff are often volunteers, especially on the desktop side, so things can take longer than expected in "regular" software. You had excellent points, especially the one about distro-wars. They're entirely pointless chestbeating.
Anyhow, hope to see you try again sometime :)
The detail of the dude watching your ever move and constantly pushing AI was friggin awesome! HAHAHA! Loved it! I'm a diehard Linux user, and have been for over 14 years now. It's my daily both at home and in my work life. That said, I sadly still need Windows for two things (both pieces of software at work that simply will not work with Linux). I don't try to force Linux on anyway. I remember all the research to figure out how to do things I could just so simply do within Windows. Not everyone wants that, and I get it. To me, it's like 3d Printers. I can buy some cheap, sub $200 printer and have a hobby that requires a bunch of maintenance, modding, and tweaking... Or... I could buy a Bambu, park it in the corner and just print my files. As someone who designs parts to fix things around the house, a 3d printer is 100% a tool for me. I just want it to print my files whenever I send them and I don't want to have to think about it.
Integrating Linux into your existing workflow is the way to go. Can't wait for Part 3.
Yes jumping from Win piece of crap into Linux without any adaptation is way to loose. There is the well known problem of companies don't give a fuck about their sowtware linux version. If you want to actually try to transittion to Linux at first you Windows but switch to Linux compatible apps/change your workflow. It is totally unreasonable to think that transition will be 1:1. For example me I'm being android user for my whole life but I had unfortunatelly met an IPad in high school. I couldn't do anything on it. There wasn't single thing working same as on Android so I was lost.
I use Wireguard for work on Linux... and it's not a standalone GUI, it's a plugin for network-manager (which is a GUI itself).
Not sure why you didn't find that googling about the problem, but I have no need for any console stuff to setup Wireguard, or during use.
Also if he really needs, Wireguird is a package, which is basically a port of the windows app to linux.
Yeah... I had the same thought. Pulled up the network config in Plasma and sure enough there was the option for Wireguard sitting in the available VPN choices for NetworkManager.
@@PaperReaper Is it on Mint/Ubuntu though?
@@J0ermungand it's a .Deb package. I use it on my pop os HTPC.
@@TheXipherZero So yeah, I honestly wonder what was going on there... Though these days one might well blame google for not finding the obvious correct result amongst all the bot and paid adverts. Maybe the plugin isn't installed on Mint by default for some reason, maybe he wanted to do something that he read was only possible via command line (if true or not).
And sometimes one is just not formulating the right questions, coming from a different system that works so differently.
I will try to write an actually useful comment in this warzone of a comment section.
First it is to be said that i dont want to blame you or anyone else. The issue is that people want you to use the same thing they do.
I will try to avoid this. So just so you know my bias: use arch with a tiling window manager on wayland (hyprland). I also have a 1080 ti (yes nvidia + wayland) and 2 screens (1440p at 240Hz and 1440p at 144Hz).
I will also try to explain my opinions in a simple way so to you technical people: i know these things might not be technically correct but understandable.
--- distro ---
While your choice of distro isnt everything it matters more that people often say (it matters less for experienced users so that prob why). Even tho a lot of linux enthusiasts hate ubuntu (because its owned by canonical) its still the distro i will (very close to) always recommend to a beginner. This is not just because it has the biggest community but also because i feel that they have the best wayland implementation (especially on gnome). The standard ubuntu gnome is also configured to be very intuitive (i dont think default gnome is very intuitive or usable without tweaks). Kubuntu is not the best choice at the moment because it hasnt updated to plasma 6.
The only time i dont recommend ubuntu is if extreme customization is your primary goal and youre willing to get into the depths of linux. Arch is basically the only good way to use dotfiles (configuration files) other people made because most of them are made for arch. But with arch your system will break at some point and youll have to spend time trying to fix it. So you cant rely on arch for anything important if youre new or even know a bit.
Ive never really had much luck with mint. In my experience it doesnt do well with obscure laptop hybrid graphics and very old gpus. Its rather uncommon cinnamon desktop can also make finding help for desktop related issues hard. Ive also had a lot of hardware issues on mint like it not doing well with hybrid graphics (afaik this is currently being addressed).
There is also asahi linux based on fedora for M silicon macs. Ive not used it because i dont own a mac so i cant really speak on that although ive heard its gotten pretty good.
--- ages to learn ---
Also the argument that linux takes years to learn and it doesnt for windows is ignoring that most windows users dont use windows properly. Most people always use an admin account on windows without even knowing it (i am guilty of this myself). There is a reason microsoft has that certification program.
I think this belief exists because the linux community is smaller and more technical so they try to push people towards good practices more often. On windows the vast majority of people dont even know that the old control panel (still) exists (and i dont blame them).
So you get called out for improper linux usage but because 98% of windows users dont know how to use windows the 'right' way it doesnt happen there.
Its also fine to not do things the 'proper way' on linux. It will still work just file for most people.
--- wayland vs X11/org ---
The buggyness of wayland is very heavily overstated almost all of the time. Its come a long way in the past couple of years. As ive said the (ubtuntu) gnome and especially the plasma 6 implementations are the best in my opinion.
Ive had basically no issues related to wayland on those desktops (the biggest thing is native tf2 not working on wayland but valve is to blame for that). The next nvidia driver will also improve the nvidia experience (because of explicit sync support).
There is 'are we wayland yet' which is useful but youtube doesnt like links. While it does say that nvidia + sway/wlroots doesnt work ive not had many issues with it (if you dont know what that means dont worry. it doesnt apply to you).
I will always, except in very rare and obscure cases, recommend using wayland. Its more polished and user friendly for the average person at this point despite what people will tell you.
The reason X11 doesnt support so many of the modern (yes split display scaling is considered modern in this context) things is that it is essentially a dead project. It has been on life support for many years now meaning it is only receiving necessary security updates.
--- software compatibility ---
Something you did that i really appreciated is not blaming linux for adobe (or other) software not running. Ive seen a lot of people blaming linux for this while its actually the developers fault if anything. Im not saying every dev has to support linux. What im saying is that its not linux's fault if developers dont support it and you cant go "linux bad it cant run this software made for windows".
This has also been improving rapidly with more and more new software being released for linux as well.
Nowadays a lot of things will also run in wine but this is hindered by developers purposefully blocking it.
I recommend lutris for running things in wine (not just games).
--- gaming ---
Ill keep this short. The anti cheat situation has gotten to a point where linux support is either already there just one email away for most devs (eac and battleye have linux support that has to be enabled by the devs). Anything single player will most likely just work. And no, there is no way for proton to just support anti cheats. Even if possible its a giant ban risk.
For compatibility just check protondb. Ive heard a lot of people complaining about modding but ive had no real issues with modding gog cyberpunk with vortex so that remains to be seen.
--- software alternatives ---
Something that isnt often talked about but i feel is important is how to actually find alternative software for linux. People will often search for 'appname alternative linux' but this often leads to nothing. A better way is often to look for 'use case linux'. A good example in the video for this is no basic editing in an image viewer. If you come from another os it is common to just expect that but this isnt how things work on linux. The same thing applies to your usage of keynote. Try looking for the use case instead of the app.
--- software recommendations ---
I will list some software here that might interest you. These are my opinions and in no way definitive.
Gimp as a replacement for photoshop but it does have a steeper learning curve. Again the use case is important here.
Krita for drawing (apparently it can do 2d animation).
Darktable is the most popular lightroom alternative afaik.
Inkscape for vector graphics.
OBS for recording of course.
LibreOffice for text documents.
Thunderbird as a native email client.
Firefox as the browser. Its worth a try especially with the manifest v3 situation.
guvcview can do manual gimbal control for your camera if reddit is to be believed.
DOTA 2 instead of league of legends (this is kind of a joke so chill).
--- other ---
A wireguard gui is built into the gnome and plasma settings page. You just need to import your wireguard config. On gnome it will give you a toggle in that quick settings thingy.
Blackmagic is to blame for aac not working on linux because the just dont license it as a cost saving measure.
Its also important to remember that creative work is more niche than you would think. Most people dont need or have ever used creative software and mostly use a web browser and office like writer.
If anyone has any other question i will try to answer them if i can.
Thanks for all the information and insight here. I appreciate it!
".....keynote as a kind of 2d animation software....." Tahoma2d might work here.
I just want to mention in reposnse to this comment, that the default and most popular Linux Mint edition doesn't use Mate, it uses the Cinnamon desktop environment, which is in my opinion nicer than Mate, because it gets developed by the Linux Mint team and there is a lot of support for it in the LM forums itself. It is more customizable than gnome, but less customizable than KDE Plasma. It also included a GUI interface for Wireguard right in the network settings.
I am curious which hardware issues you encountered with Mint, since it's based on Ubuntu (or directly Debian for LMDE) and additional drivers can easily be installed with the driver manager for e.g. NVIDIA GPUs or Broadcom WiFi chips.
@@joejoetv1337 seems ive gotton cinnamon and mate confused. also mind doesnt play nice with obscure hybrid graphics in laptops and very old gpus in my experience. ive encountered this a couple of times (im sure theres a fix but this is a bout simplicity). While its true that theres a lot of support in the mint forum it has to be acknowledged that there are way more resources about gnome and ubuntu out there
@@RaidOwl ive updated the comment with a better structure and more info
I actually think that Linux Mint is a solid option. If you were looking for a different option something that uses KDE Plasma like Fedora KDE might be a good option. AAC is a licensing issue. As linux is a free operating system they can't really pay the licensing system. I am glad you are going over these items though. I really hope these issues can get addressed.
AAC problem is easy to solve: purchase DaVinci Pro
So why do I get this weird error "Full GPU memory" every time I launch DaVinci on Mint? I can't even use it. No one really knows why, cause I tried many many ways to fix it.
Kde is also a good recommendation for multiple monitors and scaling
KDE is glitching and clunky. I prefer Gnome.
@@pantarei. hard to tell without posting some logs or error message (applies to windows and mac problems as well). My guess would be a driver issue, a very old GPU or some weird bug very few (if any) had before
"Use the best tool for the job." Sometimes it can WIndows. Sometimes it can be Mac OS. Sometimes it can be Linux. The sky is the limits.
And sometimes you have extra free time
Best tool for the job never means the OS. All three are equal in this part.
@@SnowyRVulpix xD
I mean everything on linux will work on windows and mac os BUT not everything that works on mac os and windows can work on linux.
That's why, the question was always, why bother to use linux at all??
@@youravghuman5231 The only reason for me would be Windows privacy policy.
That's the only thing I don't like in Windows.
I daily drive Linux everyday thanks to channels like you, craft computing, techno Tim and apalrd. I use it for proxmox, truenas scale, home automation, dashboards, and more. And I access them all through my windows computer through web services and ssh. It’s like your hammer analogy. Use the right tool for the job. Don’t hand me a screw driver if I have a nail. And don’t explain how a dewalt is better than ryobi. It’s still a nail Im working on.
This is the way
> " I use it for proxmox"
...to run Windows applications.
> "truenas scale"
No need to use Linux for that
> "home automation"
No need to use Linux for that
> "dashboards"
No need to use Linux for that
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b SO "using linux" has to be being a terminal nerd exclusively? ^^ apps that run services without needing specific Linux knowledge is the way Linux will ever be popular with the masses.. And you definitely need knowledge for Proxmox :p that thing like most desktop linux distros is half UI, half diving in shell and modding files manually
Thank you for suggesting at the end that one can use multiple operating systems 🤯🤯 crazy talk! lol
Mind blowing
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason.
@@1pcfred come at me bro 😎 lol
To be fair - Synergy (you know software sharing of mouse and keyboard between Linux/Windows/Mac computers - where you can literally copy-move-to-other-system/OS-and-then-paste) has been acting weird in newer releases, while it was just working out of the box while it was pure open source and free software.
It's inefficient to use multiple OSes because you have to adjust your workflow every time you change to another one. It's good as a temporary solution while you're learning a new OS, no more. If you do it for a long period of time, you're just handicapping yourself.
Maybe should have added an Apple guy offering an overpriced planned obsolescence hammer.😁
I don’t have enough friends
@@RaidOwl Me either.
A hammer that can't be upgraded 😂
@@RaidOwl Rent!
This seems like a very fair video in my opinion. I’ve recently switched to Linux myself and in my experience it’s been great but if I had to fight my operating system then I’d switch back to Windows. I am by no means a power user and in my opinion you’re not lazy you just want to get work done and not have to fight your OS. Linux is definitely not for everyone but I’d say if you’re curious if it’s for you then back up your current system and give it a go. There is also no wrong distribution it just depends on what you like and what works for you. I personally don’t like Mint but it works well for a lot of people. I tried multiple different distributions until finally settling on Fedora 40. Great video keep up the good work.
You pointed it out perfectly, it depends on the use case. Use the right tool for the right task. I'm fully on Linux for years since it fits all my needs. But before that, I was running a dual boot setup also for years, and whenever required, I booted into Windows if it was the better fit. You did everything right. 👍
Too many Linux distros. Maybe some of those resources can be utilized to write killer applications. Everything on Linux is just trying to keep up with Mac and Windows. Linux has no killer software that blows the competition out of the water. I use all three platforms- just being real.
It does have a killer app, quite a few actually. That's why Linux dominates the server room.
It's quite unfortunate that we don't see devs dedicating that kind of effort to the desktop experience.
The number of Linux distros isn't actually a problem. The problem is that none of them can really compete with Windows for overall ease of use, for most people. If all you want is a browser and email, you would be fine on most Linux distros. It really wouldn't matter too much about which you pick. If you do streaming or video games or anything else that is even remotely niche, you might be in for a bad time.
Not really.
Truth is that no one really cares desktop. Applications run in browser.
Why people like to use Linux based OSses is that it is best for developer and it doesn't have that crap that is found from macOS or Windows.
@@gruntaxeman3740 if that’s the case, why not use a Chromebook?
your low-key sarcasm about everything is hilarious.
one thing you should have added to the hammer skit was "microsoft" digging through your cabinets/drawers/wallet and taking pictures of everything lol.
You complained about the same thing that lots of users have been for ages, mainly proprietary software...
Yeah Adobe is a bunch of muppets
@@RaidOwlCan you really blame them? I mean, supporting their software for 4% of the population wouldn't really be financially viable unless they charged double, probably even triple.
What we really need is a company like Valve to work with these companies to get their stuff working on Linux through Wine. That way, their efforts are technically being funded by every purchase and not just the 4% on Linux.
But Valve is a gaming company. Unfortunately, they're also the only billion dollar company that has a vested interest in making desktop Linux usable. Every other company involved doesn't care about desktop Linux, only server and commercial Linux.
Valve really started becoming bullish on Linux when they saw the Windows Store introduced with Windows 8 as a potential threat to their business. Windows doesn't present a threat to any other business, so we're out of luck.
Maybe the company Lewis Rossmann works for, FUTO, could do it. They have a vested interest in bringing control of computing back into the hands of the people, and Linux plays a huge role in that. But right now their main thing is just working on and supporting software that respects the users, rather than trying to bring predatory proprietary software to Linux.
@@RaidOwl Adobe can steal your content and use it to train AI... Some alternative exists, and i don' t mean foss ones, but things like corel and affinity, wich still don't properly work on linux but still better than adobe jaja.
@kennyfully88it's already here and it's called Affinity photo. You pay once no subscriptions and is just as good as Photoshop. It doesn't work on Linux, but statistically no cares about that.
@kennyfully88 you should try Krita
I spent half of this video screaming “YEESSSS, I KNOW! I HATE THAT!!!” I work at a huge Linux company and can’t stand Linux, lol. I am a weirdo and have Windows in my machine. It just works. I see coworkers complaining about weird Linux problems ask the time, and I just smile and accept I have to happily reboot for Windows updates once a week or so.
Great video, I love seeing how people experience this challenge. I daily drive Linux for a couple of years now, and it still baffles me seeing people get this upset about an operational system, like their whole personalities depends on it. Its just a software: if you can adapt it to your workflow, great, if you can't, try anything else, just like that. Props to you for trying something new even when your workflow is so stable. I do think your problems, mainly in DaVinci, could be solved with a KDE and wayland approach. Waiting for your next try, cheers!
People tie it to their identity as a person or their personal politics, so they take any criticism or disagreement as a direct insult.
The ending I really liked it, especially the skit. Imo I think I'm one of the few Linux people who actually understand what people are going through and know that Linux isn't fully perfect.
For me I'm just a regular user and a IS (Information Systems) college student that uses Linux (Mint). I've been using Linux since 2012 and stayed with it in 2016 but only use Windows in a VM especially for college. For me I'm glad part 3 you'll integrate Linux into Linux, I always recommend people who switching is to find alternatives to the programs you're using on Windows, use them on Windows, and then try it on Linux either a VM or a separate hard drive (I agree dual booting is a pain).
The monitor issue is sadly a XOrg issue and I think Fedora gotten that fixed with Wayland (either Gnome or Plasma). LoL used to work fantastic on Linux (for me I couldn't get into it but played a little and seen it worked for people who do play it) but ever since they added anti cheat that's when it stopped. With Linux gaming work better than before but with Kernel level anti cheats it's been an issue, Valve helped a little but others aren't on board.
"you're temple OS" that's a nice one
Linux is a learning curve. There's advantages and disadvantages which you covered. Great trying it out again and experiencing the difference between Windows and Linux. Everyone's experience is different so good to see your perspective.
Even though I've tried using Linux as desktop off and on for 25 years, I feel your pain. I use different tools, but often ones that work on both Windows and Linux, but due to issues like yours I end up going back to Windows.
Yup. The constant need to tweak and research issues on Linux eventually wear me down enough that I switch back to windows. I really want an OS that just works and doesn’t sell my data to get richer. If that means paying a subscription fee, so be it.
I'm integrating as well. It's steps like this that will make us better at using Linux and will make Linux better because it creates competition. I am in the process of getting a 70% Linux 30% Windows situation going. One step at a time. Getting my Linux pc working flawlessly is taking a lot of work, but progress is being made :) I used the Nobara distro for it's content creator/gaming base elements that are baked into the distro. Nobara was great for davinci, but it was an endeavor just to get the OS installed! I have had problems from day one with the install and transition, but I keep working at it one step at a time. Keep up the positive attitude and keep creating! The Microsoft AI guy was hilarious!
Nice! My rule of thumb in IT has always been … use what works for you to get it done. My job is to help you do that.
It matters who/what that "you" is, and what your job is.
Love the "Linux hammer" bit - hilarious - good video.
Wayland isn't exactly buggy nowadays unless your GPU is a not properly supported with the drivers. A lot of distros are choosing to ship wayland by default instead of xorg
Good to know. I’ll def start with that next time.
Scaling, video sharing on discord, screenshots, all keep failing on wayland for me. But work perfectly fine on X.
It depend of the GPU. AMD work great out of the box but for Nvidia, you need to do some tweak to get it work properly on Wayland. Also, Linux Mint doesn't support Wayland because of the Cinnamon desktop but it will near futur.
@@mathiasdeweerdt1400 scaling is seamless on wayland kde plasma 6 and video/audio sharing is working perfectly using Vesktop or even your web browser..
@@Dot_UwU now with Nvidia driver 555.88, driver is mostly not a problem anymore with Wayland.
Hey man nice video I enjoyed it alot!
Next time I suggest you to use a rolling release distro so you can get the latest nvidia drivers and kernel, and all the latest versions of the DE etc..
LOL the hammer scene was brilliant!!! Chef's kiss!
9:32 I recorded a video recently in OBS on my Linux Mint and some of the audio was missing too. I thought it was because I was overstressing the laptop because I was running a VM (Windows 10) with non-persistent storage but I have 16 GB of RAM in the laptop. I was pretty annoyed when I couldn't really use the footage because of the missing audio!
Wow, you immediately hit the two reasons I abandoned Linux desktop last year: scaling issues on multi-monitor, and lack of codec support in the Linux version of Resolve. I've tried digging into it since then and was told that having different sized monitors is just too uncommon. Interesting how there are several others out there with this problem, this video exists, but NO ONE ELSE would need a fix for it. I also went with the dual-boot option because I knew a lot of my games wouldn't work. The problem is that the more I had to switch to Windows for my workflow and switch back, the more I realized there wasn't a part of my workflow that *required* me to go back to Linux. If I have to use Windows to get the job done anyway, why even bother leaving it?
The hammer comparison was great. The way I compare Linux is like a flat-headed screwdriver. Technically, you can use one on almost any screw and *probably* make it work. However, in most cases, unless you have a flat-headed screw that it's designed for it just makes more sense to use the right screwdriver. In that case, Windows tends to be that screwdriver with interchangeable bits; it may not always be the best choice, but in 99% of cases it's the path of least resistance to get the job done.
For a lot of things Windows is NOT the best choice, I'm thinking servers and computers that need to control a small system like a display, but for a personal Computer OS Linux does not work as well as Windows in a lot of ways, a lot of that is software support. But if you're running a server I would suggest Linux over Windows. So they are both better at different things. I sometimes use my Linux Mint for personal computer tasks but there are things that it just can't do that my Windows can.
Resolve has codec support if you get the paid version. they intentionally limit it for free version.
also scaling on linux works but you gotta use nvidia with newest drivers
@@SciopioAfricanus + Wayland too.
I have the same issue with dual monitors . Constant refreshing and switching back and forth , turning them off so quickly that it's unusable. One monitor works just fine though
@@FULLTILTSWIFF LOL Great troll comment. Write your own codec, lol. Good one.
Linux lacks a competitive strategy.
It's by developers for developers. Not enough thought put into usibility and basic functionality completely lacking.
Yes, not being able to scale interface on different monitor is limitation, but only on X11, which is what Cinnamon desktop still uses by default. That wouldn't be that big of an issue on Wayland GNOME or KDE Plasma, but if you depend on X11 apps (which you are if touching mostly anything proprietary), you still have to go with some compromises (and different ones for different options, with KDE being the best at the moment by giving you the choice of a poison). But frankly, Windows is not perfect on that aspect either, I saw some weird artifacts or display problems there too when using fractional scaling (scale that's not multiplier of 100%)
What's also an issue for me on Linux is that some programs like JDownloader or Steam don't scale with the system setting. On Windows that's pretty much a non-issue.
I use Arch btw.
@@TheFingerMove Nothing stops those from implementing HiDPI in Linux clients (steam can scale but doesn't do that by default)
@@dominik2327 I mean, yes, I use "%U -forcedesktopscaling 1.25" as arguments for steam, but that doesn't work for java-based apps. The only ones that come to mind are JDownloader and RuneLite (Oldschool RuneScape client) in that case, but still.
12:05 lmao 🤣 the amount of shade being throw in this one sentence.
That obs not saving your settings thing happens on windows and mac too, it just has to crash or close ungracefully, it literally saves them to the disk on close, terrible design but not a linux exclusive problem.
Also did a bit of research on your camera and using it on Linux, I was able to find two pieces of software that would allow you to use the pan/tilt/zoom functions of it. (Camset and guvcview for those with the same hardware and wanting to try something) I'm unaware if this is full support of the options or just gimbal control, but just wanted to leave my findings here for anyone who was interested.
OBS is a terribly written program with a lot of straight up UNDEFINED BEHAVIOR if you try to use it for more than recording your screen and maybe putting a webcam in the corner. It also hasn't improved at all in a decade or so. Sad that there isn't a better alternative, whether it be open source or paid
For part 3 may I suggest the QEMU training wheels. While I was learning the Linux ropes, I kept a windows 10 VM local on my machine. That way if I got frustrated or needed to get things done I could fire up the VM and take care of business. Best of both worlds and no painful dual boot to deal with. I use a tool called virt manager to run the VM locally.
Great video! Here's a tip from someone who's exclusively run Linux for the last 8 years. Distros do not matter. Find an OS that fits your hardware and use case. Then learn to use alternative software and methods to accomplish goals. Also, don't add extra pressure by setting time limits or recording yourself while you're trying to learn something new.
I'll add, it's the UI that matters: KDE, Gnome or Cinamon, and the package manager that matters: APT (slow), RPM (updated) or Arch (bleeding-edge). Once that's chosen, the actual distro matters much less.
Also a long time linux user over here and I tend to concur.... distros dont matter. The desktop environment DOES. Getting into the weeds on pros and cons of different distros isnt really relevant when the way you interact with your machine is so fundamentally different between different DEs. Often a distro gets recommended based not on the distros strengths, but on the DE and the amount of precustomization that has been done.... (Garuda, Zorin etc.) We'd be better off asking a new user what their workflow looks like and what hardware they are using to make a recommendation rather than blanket telling them to use a specific distro.
Also Wayland pretty much fixes multi-monitor setups with different resolutions, frame rates, and scaling. You don't have that multi monitor is just one big virtual monitor thing like in xorg.
@@TheXipherZero For most noobs trying Linux the first time, whatever the default DE happens to be _is_ the distro as far as they can tell.
There ARE no alternatives for industry standards. Sure, if you work entirely on your own, then maybe you can use alternatives. You'll just have to get used to working slower for a month while you figure it out. But clients and co-workers expect you to have certain software. So if you're in the design industry and you try to use something that isn't Adobe, well guess what? They're not going to be able to open your stuff and it's not going to work and you'll be out of a job. And frankly, the whole experience isn't even worth it unless you're a masochist or you REALLY hate Windows and Mac.
Thanks for addressing the 2 monitor independent scaling problem. This is a pretty basic capability and it's inexcusible that Linux doesn't have it. I've noticed that sometimes it works with GPU driven video, but sometimes even when the feature is available, it malfunctions in a number of ways. I run 100% Linux now but we need more emphasis on making Linux useful for work, which means better applications and a reliable foundation.
BTW, windows doesn't have a real solution to this yet (I have a 1920X1080 screen and a notebook with a 2560x1440 and i assure you, this combo is a painfull one). Just the MACs handled this combination properly)
Wayland compositor supports it. My setup with Hyprland works perfectly. Some GTK applications can be a little blurry with decimal values, but Windows doesn't support this properly either.
Try out KDE with Wayland.
The thing about FOSS is that a hell of a lot of software is available cross platform - like browsers, Libre Office, GIMP, Freetube, Thunderbird, Davinci etc, etc. - so I always recommend people stick to whatever OS they're using and just switch to free software vs proprietary. Then after a month or two (or never) you can just do what you're already doing with a Linux DE having hit upon a workflow (or not) in the OS you're familiar with.
It's not going to work for everyone, but you might as well figure that out before installing Linux :)
Some ppl (me included) has been using Krita, Blender, GIMP, Inkscape, etc on Windows even. GIMP isn't great but it's not adobe which is already a big plus. The other programs are amazing and should even be industry standards imo.
Solid video. I like this kinda of content and think it helps get the word of Linux out there. Other people might not need the software you did so they might give it a shot still. And hopefully these things keep encouraging devs to make progress. I went full Linux about a month ago and love it. Sometimes there's something I need to change or work around but I'm ok with that. I know everyone is going to suggest something different. But I am very happy with Pop!_OS on my main desktop and Fedora on my laptop.
Hey man. I use arch full time. Vscode for coding. Gimp for photo editing. I game on Linux no problem.
My Logitech wecam works no issues.
I tried a lot of distros in the beginning. I didn’t like mint.
Trouble shooting sucks in the beginning. Once you get the kinks worked out you’ll never look back. You just gotta find the apps that work to replace the ones you love in windows. Good luck
i also dont get the mint hype.
i also think people need to stick to defaults until they have a few months under their belt. it's like trying to rebuild an engine and you dont know a thing about them.
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As a member of the "Just Want It to Work!!!" group, I can understand where you are coming from. I use Linux for my daily driver. Yet, I fully agree with your opinion. I learned long ago that you use the OS that meets your needs. Since I do not use the Adobe Creative Suite, I can find alternatives to most applications I use. For work, on the other hand, I use Windows. I have an application that will not work on Linux.
From what I have seen, if you are using Windows-only hardware or software, then Linux may not be the best choice.
Your scaling issue is one thing I hate about Linux. The inconsistencies of basic features across distros or more commonly desktop environments. I checked and I can scale individually no problem in KDE on Fedora. I've distro hopped a bunch in the past to find something that just works and it feels like there is no "best" for any given setup, it's just about finding the tradeoffs you're willing to accept.
I am still trying to fully transition to linux because I really don't like Win11, but I also have the "old game whos anticheat doesn't work in linux that I should probably just give up but can't" too so I will probably end up dual booting in the end.
krashes*
It's because Mint uses X11. Fractional scaling is possible on every other distribution, which uses Wayland by default. In GNOME, fractional scaling is hidden behind an experimental option but it works fine for native Wayland applications. Fedora KDE uses Wayland only, so fractional scaling is fully supported.
@cgwworldministries83 When Mortal Kombat stops working
*_"I am still trying to fully transition to linux because I really don't like Win11"_*
Who is holding a gun to your head to force you to switch to Windows 11?
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b Microsoft
I appreciate your honesty - it's not all sweetness and light! :) The lack of Wireguard UI caught me out when I decided to take Linux for a whirl - the trick is to import your conf file using the nmcli command line - not ideal... then (depending on your desktop) you can just toggle it on and off, and there's a nice connector to show it's up - I use gnome, and that's good enough for me - reminds me of Android and quick toggles etc.
There is no need to use the command line. Any graphical NetworkManager manager which usually sits on your system tray represented by a wifi or wired connection icon can do it with a few mouse clicks.
@@MrPurle Check if you have all the VPN plug-ins for NetworkManager, maybe your distro is packaging them separately or some such. Wireguard is first and foremost a Linux technology and is built-in right into the Linux kernel and can be controlled through NetworkManager.
@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 I stand corrected! Thanks for making me go back and having another look... I have just found the super obvious "Import from file" button that I swear wasn't there before! I have no idea how long it's been there, but it wasn't there when I initially switched... things move fast! :D With the Wireguard UI built in like this (inc. import), I have to say it surpasses the implementation on Windows.
@@MrPurle Glad to hear that my advice was helpful somehow! It has been there for a long time, maybe even from the beginning? I use Linux as daily driver for work in a home office setting for about 14 years now and while my employer uses OpenVPN, it is basically the same process. And yes, it truly surpasses the implementation on Windows because it does not rely on third party clients for its VPN functionality. Everything is beautifully managed by NetworkManager. That said, certain VPN providers might provide features that go beyond the typical VPN such as choosing different countries, proxying, etc. that are better handled by their custom VPN clients.
I really like those videos because they give me a glimpse to what Linux looks like to new users and I think it's valuable Info because we should improve on these Obstacles :)
I enjoyed this, thank you for sharing! And props for trying something new and even adopting it into your life after the challenge, even if only partially.
I've been all in on Linux for about 6+ years and I love it, but it is certainly not ideal for all use cases. I'm just lucky enough that pretty much everything I need to do doesn't need tools like Photoshop and really like how Linux/Unix systems work and what they have to offer. But before I went "full Linux", I dual booted with Windows for years (I started playing around/using Linux around 2009), simply because there were too many things that I needed/wanted that I couldn't use on Linux (mainly games, Office and later Visual Studio). Nowadays Linux has much improved and my use cases are all covered under Linux, I have high hopes that it will continue improving and maybe some day it might be a better fit for you.
In the end a computer is just a tool. I really like it when people want to give Linux a try, but in the end everybody should use the tool that works best for them for the job.
Yeah I’d like to be able to switch over fully one day so I’ll keep trying.
"I just want my things to work" thats why im probably not gonna switch to Linux anytime soon
I mean that really depends on what you use tbh. Most things just work fine out of the box on Linux (sometimes better than on windows like drivers for AMD cards, you have to do nothing at all there), sometimes you just need to click a few buttons at the start and you're good to go, unfortunately sometimes the software developer/hardware manufacturer decides to make life hell for you, usually not intentionally but soemtimes intentionally too.
It's hardly ever a Linux problem as much as it is a company choice problem, which is bad because it means those who want to contribute to Linux can't do much about it besides getting enough people to switch to Linux to force these companies to care (I mean, several million users already use Linux, without mentioning 98% of servers that run websites, so you'd think they'd care about making more money but they don't care enough sometimes).
On that note Linux users (not saying devs cause everyone can contribute to Linux's code), including some big companies, are hard at work to try and make things work on Linux as effortlessly as possible, to great success too (see Steam with Proton, which pretty much runs any game unless the company actively chooses not to support Linux, like for example by disabling a simple setting if they use a kernel-level anticheat like EAC). Even stuff like photoshop couold work except due to a webpage in the installation process prompting for your login (AFAIK) which doesn't render through wine, allegedly you can work-around this by copying the files from your windows install to Linux but I never tried cause I never used Adobe products such as Photoshop.
Yeah, my main issue with Linux is that anything can "just work" for someone, but that doesn't by any means imply that you'll have anything approaching a good experience with it.
I spent three hours trying to get Bottles to run anything at all, for example, but was never able to get anything to run properly. The closest I got was getting a program to run but it was so broken that it was unusable.
My file manager wouldn't let me manage certain files, so I spend a few hours trying to figure that out. Had to install some sort of addon that did some sort of workaround which made it technically work, but it was inconvenient to use.
I could go on all day because I had issues with Libre Office, Proton, desktop environment customisation, and more, but I'll stop there. Long story short is that "it just works" is only really true if you want to browse Facebook and check your email and that's it.
@@escthedark3709 I gave up trying to get bottles working, so I just stuck with lutris instead.
@escthedark3709 yeah I can't imagine coming home from your 9-5 job and having to deal Linux incompatibility issues.
Like Linux is cool to use in highschool and college to show off to your friends that you're using something completely different and "sophisticated", but yeah I can't imagine using other than putting it on an older computer for grandma to browse the internet.
@@A.T501st you rarely have to tho. At most they're something you deal with once (if you decide to deal with it instead of procrastinating)
I think, what most underestimate is, if you have a solid workflow you have to put solid research what works and was doesn’t and plan ahead and search workarounds and substitutes on Linux - and sometimes there isn’t any. Linux can be a drop-in replacement for lots of things but not everything. People put thoughts when they move from Windows to Mac but yolo it when they try Linux and declare it unsuitable.
Yeah, that was kind of the same outcome for me when I tried to switch into Linux couple of years ago, same problems, user-unfriendliness, and lacking support for various stuff I wanted plugged into my system just made me go back to windows and deal with it
Microsoft Windows just stresses me out too much to use it. This feeling of dread and hopelessness overcomes me. I can't handle it. Knowing that some Epstein island scumbag nerds are in complete control of my digital life is not for me. That is the reality of the situation.
@@1pcfred
*_"Microsoft Windows just stresses me out too much to use it. This feeling of dread and hopelessness overcomes me. I can't handle it."_*
Your case has nothing to with Windows, instead you need psychiatric help. My wife, my kids.... none of the care about the OS at all...they log in, and start the application they want to use. What do you even have on your PC that you worry so much about? Child pornography?
*_"Knowing that some Epstein island scumbag nerds are in complete control of my digital life is not for me."_*
...says the guy using this web site created by one of the most controversial companies in the world when it comes to spying on people, you even decided to create a Google account and I'm 100% sure you use their Gmail and Chrome too while exposing yourself as Paul Frederick.
Clown... 🤡
Yeah, I definitely think this is the right video under which I should leave my questions and describe my concerns. I'm not happy with Windows (bloatware, telemetry, recall spying, some bugs), and I am very intrigued by Linux, but there are things that bother me about and I want to ask about them, relative to my usage goals and based on those Linux versions that caught my attention - "Nobara", "Garuda", "Fedora 40", "CatchyOS", "Bazzite":
1. HDR:
- I have an HDR monitor and I moved from W10 to W11 because of the HDR functionality and settings W11 provide (AutoHDR that actually works great for me with non-HDR games, "Windows HDR Calibration" app, "DisplayHDR test" app etc.), so do you know how is the HDR experience in those Linux versions? In games with native HDR, or non-HDR games that can be tonemapped like with the Windows "AutoHDR" function, or even HDR movie files on the PC?
- In W11 I had some problems with taking screenshots while HDR was ON (they were overexposed, washed out), but now there is a workaround fix which is a toggle option in the "Snipping tool" app, that lets you take screenshots with "HDR color correction" applied.
Also since I use Adobe programs for my work, there are some issues with Photoshop and some other programs that look awful in the menu itself when HDR is ON, don't know how to explain it but the menu of the program itself is dimmed and it is not visually correctly represented, it does not look how it should look and it is not reproducing the correct colors, although I have set up my monitor ICC profile.
- Will all of this be better in Linux from that point of view?
- Is everything HDR-related going to work in Linux as it should and do I have to be an "IT specialist" with "Terminal skills" to be able to set everything up properly?
2. GAMES:
- In my free time I play mostly older games and one of them is Apex Legends, but since it is using Easy anti-cheat, will I have problems on Linux playing Apex online (through Steam) with my friends?
- Also how is the game-modding in Linux (I am still stuck in time with the good old Skyrim mod days with Nexus Mod Manager, Mod Organizer 2, Loot etc.), will I have problems with those kind of stuff working at all in Linux?
- Also can I install and play all of my games from my "EpicGames" library from my account there in the platform, will that work?
3. WORK:
- For work, I am using:
> Adobe Photoshop,
> Adobe Illustrator,
> Adobe InDesign,
> Clip Studio Paint,
> ArtRage,
> XPpen software for my drawing tablet,
> 3DSmax with all the rendering software such as V-ray etc.,
> Google SketchUp
- so will all of that work as it should on Linux? Emulated or not, does it work as a native Windows app, I mean normally without issues?
4. OPERA:
- I am mainly using Opera browser (Chrome as well but as a side browser) with several saved browser workspaces (named differently for different usage categories) with hundreds of opened tabs that are slept with "The Marvellous Suspender" browser extension (because I use them organized for my historical hobby-topics and several unfinished projects), will I have problems with using the same type of Opera functionality in Linux, using browsers the same way like I am doing it in Windows? (this is my way of work, don't judge me, it is convenient for my needs)
5. STREAMING:
- I am also using Kodi, Stremio and stream movies, tv shows, so will all of those work in Linux too? In Stremio there is an extension called "Torrentio" that I am using and you can guess what it does by its name. Will I have problems doing all of that in Linux?
Thanks for making the video. I know there are so many different components to a Linux OS, that there are going to be different complaints for all sorts of issues.
One of the problems, the scaling of different monitors, should be fixed when Mint switches to Wayland protocol instead of X11. Although switching to Wayland will bring with it a host of other problems, at least it is being actively worked on.
I am glad you shared your experiences with the public and I do hope things continue to improve for you and everyone else that wants to try out a distro.
Start using a (proper) Linux that allows you to switch between X11 and Wayland.
Besides those "advanced" (as in giving you more choice hence you need to know more to make those choices) distros like Arch/Gentoo (or if we're really going there Slackware and LFS). I thought that at this point anything offering KDE (so also Kubuntu) let's you choose X11 or Wayland during login screen?
@@techcodenet If both display managers are installed, then you should be able to select either one at the login screen (sddm for Plasma and gdm for Gnome). Some OSes will stop shipping X11 entirely, although the user should be able to still install it as long as the packages are in the repo of that distro. Fedora being one of those distros that wants to remove X11 soon both on the Gnome and Plasma systems.
@@TeamLinux01 exactly this "some OSes stop shipping X/Y/Z" is why almost 2 decades later, and numerous attempts with Ubuntu, Centos, Sabayon, Arch ...
I'm still on Gentoo - ok these days it's Gentoo based Calculate Linux - so 99% of precompiled binaries.
Most of this issues (and most youtubers issues i have seen) are compatibility issues because some software/hardware doesn't support linux. This has a good side and a bad one.
The good part is that most of the linux experience (apart from that compatibility part) is really good and polished.
The bad side is that those issues can't be just fixed, there have to be workarounds (like alternatives) extra tools (like wine or proton) or that the creators make this things compatible with linux. The first 2 are really hard to make and the third one only will happend when linux gets more popular.
Obviously there are more problems to solve, like improving wayland, but compatibility is the biggest by far
You stick with Linux long enough and you find a workflow that works. That is when the fun begins because believe it or not there are lots of things you can do in Linux that you can not do on Windows or Mac. Best of luck with the series. Looking forward to part 3.
Unfortunately, professionals can't move away from their current workflow unless they choose to fly entirely solo.
@@MrGamelover23 Oh I get it. If the employer or customer wants it, they get it. Over the years I've worked in a Mac shop, lots of corporate Windows shops, and I even got to use whatever I wanted when working at HP.
But personally on hardware I own, it's been Linux for many many years.
*_"there are lots of things you can do in Linux that you can not do on Windows or Mac"_*
Nonsense, the average person doesn't need Linux at all.
Kudos for giving it a try. I have bene daily driving Xubuntu for a year and a half. I advocate for people to switch, but the first question I ask is what is their use case and are they willing to put in some time to learn a new software to do the task. I make vids as well and had an issue with OBS (really my mic) recording just left channel audio. I would like to get a new mic, but in the mean time, I just record audio with Audacity, duplicate the audio to make it stereo, export to mp3, and import into KDEnlive to do editing. My wife decided she wanted to switch to Linux because of windows pushing the AI thing. She has a ROG laptop. Everything thing works well for her. We have a couple of issues when she tries to run games, but I am researching that for her.
I get the dual booting hell. Been there and survived. The biggest thing I found, it goes a lot smoother if you use two separate drives for the OS's. If that is not an option, live boot into a distro. Use Gparted to resize the window partition. But from what I have gathered, don't do it by more than a half. Then reboot and make sure you can still load up Windows. If you can, you should be good to go.
You've nailed the explanation at the end(pun only slightly intended). My biggest problems with Linux are:
1. Software I use constantly /not/ being supported and any Linux alternative my research has revealed would require me to start from scratch, rewrite years worth of scripts, possibly not have all the same functionality, or require me to run a compatibility layer and /still/ not have full functionality.
2. The extra "security" of the permission system has only made getting certain things working tedious or downright headache inducing as I've run into situations where something just /doesn't/ work and doesn't /tell you/ why it's not working, and I spent literal hours figuring out why and how to fix it, and then further time how to fix it properly so it doesn't revert back as soon as I reboot the system. Or having to get into the honestly bad habit of just sudo-ing anything that doesn't work the first time I try and/or entering my password on autopilot whenever prompted. It's honestly only slightly more secure than people getting in the habit of automatically clicking yes on confirmation dialogs. It's the security vs. convenience problem. Generally, the more secure something is the less convenient it is to get stuff done. See airport security and all the anti-shoplifting measures popping up at stores. I suppose it works in reverse, the more convenient things are the less secure.
3. If I could accept the first and learn my way around the second, it /still/ doesn't give me something I personally need/want enough to make it worth it. Your analogy at the end is pretty good I don't want to spend months/years relearning how to pretty well master an OS when it doesn't offer anything I truly need/want over windows and even costs me some things I use regularly. I mean I fully accept there's things Linux can do that Windows just can't or doesn't do well, the problem is... I don't really /need/ those things. Those things wouldn't really add enough to the way I use my computer to justify the investment and loss of some of my favorite programs. I mean I still think Linux is pretty cool, and there are many use-cases for it to /other/ people, but my demands are different and I'm just so heavily invested in windows that the sunk-cost fallacy is heavily set in. I mean Linux could probably do /most/ of what I do on a regular basis, but not everything, and the things it /can/ do it doesn't really do it in a significantly, obviously-noticeable better way compared to windows. I mean I can run a browser and watch youtube just as easily on linux as on windows, but not somehow better. I mean if I wanted a ton of tabs open Linux would have more available RAM, which does help in a specific use-case of heavily modded minecraft with enough RAM left over to lookup stuff on wikis for the various mods. However that alone isn't worth changing OSes.
# 1 and #2 are solved by learning more. #3 is a personal thing.
1. Plain and simple, all the software you use CAN be used on Linux, you just need to use it the right way. You can virtualize Windows and literally run everything you've ever wanted through it. That way, Microsoft can only spy on you when you need to use crappy programs like Adobe.
2. The permission system is literally the easiest thing ever. You just type in "chmod +r/w/x" depending on if you need the file to be readable, writeable, or executable. That's it. When it comes to overusing sudo, you just need to be mindful of what you're doing. Running a script and you don't know what does? Uh, don't do that.
3. It's fine not to have a use case for Linux. You should still consider using Linux so you know how to use more than just Windows or MacOS. Get a raspberry pi or small computer and just mess around with it for a while. You will find use cases, I promise.
Jut wondering what kind of scripts you wrote in windows??? linux has powershell if thats your jam...
For some linux is like a hobby, but they don't want to accept the fact, that others may want to use OS in the same way like most ppl use their cars - as a tool to get from point A to point B, not as a hobby at all, not spending their precious time just on the tool itself.
I didn't find your comment to be very coherent, but still, if it is not going to check all of the boxes, then you shouldn't use Linux.
@@pantarei. I use linux as a tool to get from point A to point B, and I find it much easier to administer than Windows servers. It's basically the difference between driving a manual versus automatic transmission. From your perspective driving a car with a manual transmission might be a lot more work, and require a lot of wasted effort, but from my perspective it provides me with precise control. But I will be the very first to tell you to stay away from Linux. It is not a tool for everyone, and most people would be better served by Microsoft's proverbial automatic transmission, even if it does spy on you and wants to be your new digital parent.
Well it comes down to each individual's use case. ARE you dependent on CERTAIN APPLICATIONS working, or can you switch to other applications doing about same thing, maybe somewhat differently.
Personally I do run dualboot system (defaulting to Linux), Windows is mainly for gaming, and Linux for other stuff. And well in my system I do circumvent all problems about dualbooting by having each os installed on different SSD. I choose on boot time which one I want to use.
You did choose the wrong one, Linux Mint has no Wayland support right now. That actually might be the source of some of your issues, like the monitor scaling one. KDE scales better. 💀
I installed Fedora KDE and kept getting plasma shell errors. Every time I do a clean install of a Linux distro I get a new weird error or bug. Windows is boring in comparison as it's the same everytime by just working. Plus scaling on wayland is still trash and they can't even get the basics right where you mouse cursor randomly goes huge.
@@V1CT1MIZED They actually did get scaling right, better than scaling on Windows, even. Also the cursor is a feature not a bug, they're glazing Macs, they do the cursor shaking too.
Dude you did more effort than most and I love the idea of daily driving all of them! Linux and Windows and Mac. And if Linux becomes more useable then it will be easier to fully convert ! Linux is good for some things and its getting there for others!
I used Linux for over a year dual-booting with Windows. It's the longest I ever lasted, and I got almost everything working and a workflow I really enjoyed. League was working, Genshin was working, I even got games working that didn't have linux tutorials yet. Was feeling good. I used it in a dual boot setup with Windows for when I occasionally needed that very specific application. But for the first time, my retreat back to Windows had little to do with Linux itself. It had to do with the fatigue of managing a dual-OS workflow. The biggest annoyance was having to shut down everything I was doing in one OS and boot the other one just to accomplish a task, it was like using old single-program computers that didn't even have OS' back in the day (you'd have to shut the whole computer down and bring it back up to load another program). The second biggest annoyance was managing two file systems, one NTFS and one ext4. The amount this eventually contributed to my sense of disorganization and digital clutter became too much, and trying to move files between the partitions was always a problem. Windows does not recognize ext4 at all, and pretty much all third party programs that allow you to access an ext4 file system from Windows are a terrible experience. So if I wanted to transfer files between partitions, I'd have to do it on Linux, adding another potential reboot moment to my workflows AND creating a potential problem for data integrity because the NTFS driver on Linux is reverse-engineered and *is not perfect.* Eventually I got too anxious about my data and too inconvenienced by the split workflow that I just wanted to consolidate everything in one place again. And I would have loved to consolidate it on Linux. But even just those few remaining programs that don't work right on Linux means that I needed to consolidate back on Windows instead.
Additionally, I never felt my data was as safe on Linux, because the way programs, scripts, and the package manager often interface with the entire file system as root frequently causes infamous bugs which result in people's root directory getting nuked, or just accidentally doing it yourself with one bad flag or argument into a command. something that is made extremely difficult on Windows. Linux feels like a bit of a ship of Theseus in that regard, whereas Windows feels as though it has a solid immutable foundation and my data is protected by well-considered separation between programs, the system at large, and my user data. Windows is a ship and I can load it with cargo. Whereas on Linux, the cargo is part of the ship, installing programs modifies your base system and dependency changes can cause rippling effects on other programs, and if you use a rolling release distro especially, it kindof feels like the ship and everything on it are always falling apart (and hopefully regenerating) together. It made me appreciate how Windows' programs are designed to be more portable and self-contained, as that ends up making the system itself feel more stable. The tradeoff is that Windows file systems are not portable (reinstalling Windows is a huge pain), whereas Linux root directories are highly portable, which is better in the server space and for reinstalling or migrating from one machine to another.
I can understand that jumping between installations would be frustrating. What you really needed was a virtual machine running Windows seamlessly: QEMU/KVM. You can make it run at near native speeds too. The other alternative is to have three drives: NTFS for windows, ext4 for Linux and fat32/exfat/ntfs for data. Both systems could then access the data drive and you would only need to store or copy your files there for universal accessibility. On another note, NTFS is very secure and stable on Linux. In my 24 years of using Linux I have never nuked anything nor have I lost or corrupted files on ntfs partitions. It may have been flakey decades ago, but I use it everyday and have done so without issue. Why not give it another go.
I've seen there's tools for reading ext2/3/4 XFS and BTRFS on Windows, but I don't know how well they work. It's also very shady of Microsoft to not add the abillity to directly read ext4 given that it DOES read ext4 for what you have inside WSL 2. So technically it can do it, but it's out of reach for your own drives.
I'm in the same camp, though I'm not that annoyed. I switched to Linux (way overdue) at the start of the year and still have the original Windows 10 that, to be frank, worked basically flawlessly for 7 years (especially after I got the Pro license and configured it to no longer do automatic updates). So I have 1 SSD and 1 HDD with NTFS and another SSD with ext4. Luckily for me, so far I didn't need to go back to Windows for any specific app so far (literally just went into windows 3 times in 7 months, one just to check if its still running and to do updates, and once to more easily read some DVDs and an USB stick which seemed to be with NTFS. I'm sure I could've made them work in Linux too, but I was time pressured). Still there's a lot of games that I didn't test / check if they run on Linux. Though so far what I did test did work, including a game that didn't work in Windows.
I'll have the consolidation on the new laptop, whenever will that happen.
*_"I used Linux for over a year dual-booting with Windows. It's the longest I ever lasted, and I got almost everything working and a workflow I really enjoyed."_*
....yep, got ALMOST everything working.... and after how many weeks, moths? And what is this "almost"? A browser, notepad, a media player?
@@rockoman100 don't use a rolling release, make user data partition, don't use programs as root.
So simple.
@@The_Penguin_City a separate user data partition won't be safe from a root nuke, it's seen as logically the same as any other directory. And of course I try to avoid running things as root but it's not always possible. Different programs are designed with different privileges in mind. And sometimes you do need to tinker with system level stuff and it's way fucking riskier on Linux than in Windows.
Haha the sequence with the AI guy was hilarious! Good effort giving Linux a go, and good reflective video. Linux takes quite a shift in mindset. I think that the common mistake with Linux desktop is to buy into trendy distributions that promise an out of the box experience, only to end up frustrated. Better instead, in my opinion (and in retrospect!), to go with a "classic" distribution like Debian or Arch with a minimal installation where almost nothing works out of the box and build up your system from there, but understandably, not everyone would want to do that.
Also NVIDIA s**ks! Just needed to get that out of my system! xD
Wait, you're telling me that Linux Mint DIDN'T SOLVE EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM??? I was told 3500 times that was the answer!
Bro...that software is available. You just have to switch your distro, or compile it yourself from a random Github that hasn't been updated in 3 years.
Look, I know you just spent 21 days finally getting your software to work, and you still have some major issues with Audio decoding... but you should nuke your system and start from scratch with this distro that's built on the same kernel version because it'll stop Chrome from shaking. (Though it will break drag-and-drop interactions with Chrome).
I agree with you there. Desktop Linux is "good enough" when it comes personal use or Indie stuff. But once you want to do some actual work in the enterprise or commercial sector. You have to use the software that they also use which mostly is proprietary like Adobe, Autodesk, and MS Office. 100% full compatibility is very important since each members usually share or work on the same files, One inconsistency in the workflow could be detrimental and can even get you fired or blacklisted from the industry which you wouldn't want to happen. But if you're working on a personal indie project that you may want to sell on your own without requiring collaboration with other businesses, Linux is pretty good since you control all the workflow.
WINDOWS/MAC = Inter-business/enterprise work
LINUX = Personal / Indie
The biggest problem with youtuber Linux reviews is unavoidable and I don't blame any content creators for it: needing to use creative tools. Most people I know don't need advanced music, video editing, or creative tools. Most people just need a browser, maybe libreoffice, and messaging apps. So the negative experience most youtube reviews have are because they use professional tools. It would be a better review to force a "normal" person use linux, then make the video from their opinions
It'd still be nice if Linux had those programs. But I can understand why Linux doesn't. People doing that amount of work do expect to get compensated for it. In this world they can too.
*_"The biggest problem with youtuber Linux reviews is"_*
He's not reviewing Linux, he's sharing a user experience. You didn't pay much attention...
I enjoyed your Linux challenge video so much more than most others!
Coincidentally, I started my own Linux challenge project during the last week. I currently do not have any specific software needs, as I've only just starting my video edit learning journey & I have never done much in Photoshop, so whatever photo editor I choose, I'll will be starting from scratch. I started by installing Linux Mint and Zorin OS Pro 17.1 on a 13 y.o. Sony AIO to test which one to use. I've settled on Zorin OS Pro 17.1 as it seemed like a smaller learning curve and better overall UX.
You will probably find your journey to using Linux easier than others who have years of invested time and money into specific workflows. Both of those distros will provide a decent experience for a new user without getting too into the weeds right away like you might if you have been given the bad advice to try Gentoo or Arch right out of the gate...
I think the main problem is the beard .... it's neat and well trimmed, to run Linux effectively it should include various debris and 2-3 small animals.
Awesome 😂
That livestream moment with Tom is absolutely hilarious 😂
You did, indeed, use the wrong distro ;)
Any distro using Gnome or KDE would have used Wayland which would've solved a few problems, and would've added a GUI for Wireguard too
Lol yep, next time 😉
Next time™ you should also take a look at Pop OS which should have released their Cosmic desktop env. by then.
Since when does Wayland solve any problems? You must be Lord Humongous if the Wasteland is solving any problems for you.
I don't know what any of that means... And I kinda don't have the time to learn it. Linux will be "ready" when normies with kids and long working hours and limited free time can use it without pulling our beards out in clumps. It's not there yet. I just checked.
@@AllSeeingEy3 you can just plug a flash drive in and Linux will boot up. I don't see how it can get any simpler than that. Do you need someone to insert the USB device in for you? Is that what it'd take?
Thumbs up. Your experience, similar to CraftComputings experience on his linux challenge is like mine.
I like to game, thats windows, my work is on a mac, and my servers are all linux and bsd.
I enjoy repairing and fixing, but lordy, some days i just wanna game and its mind numbing having to fix shit, or why do settings revert ? Oh, that package that work now doesn’t because it forced to update by another package…
I love linux for the things it can do. I hate the things it cant or flat out wont do (and they claim windows is idiosyncratic!?).
But yeah, closest to gaming on linux is bazzite (exclude crossover) and its okay, but still, not all my games work on it.
Linux is not for me as a daily driver.
y u no use hannah montana os??
Next time for sure
This one is the killer Linux distro for sure
I hears it is a Real Party in the U.S.A.
The issues with Linux is to make stuff permanent you need to make bash scripts and make them executable. And this doesn't always work... As far as which Distro is the right distro, Its the one that makes you stay with Linux. I wish it was better than that. Although Zorin is very polished and functional. As soon as I wanted my monitor to look right, I ran into nothing supported. I ran into you cannot customize it. So I ended up with putting Mint on an old ACER. Its been about 3 weeks and Im still doing setup. Currently trying to make VibrantLinux to give my overly bright monitor some color at startup instead of having to reset the level every start up. But I am sticking with Linux on this laptop because it cant run Windows 11. Which I am fine with as I am not liking the AI screenshotting my screen every three seconds in what looks more like a privacy concern than anything else!
I think this is mostly a content creator problem, most users have no need for Photoshop, Premiere, expensive hardware products that end up being unsupported. If your use case is simple eough, like I'd guess most people's is, you won't really have as many issues.
What are you crying about? He's just sharing his experience on the product while taking his needs into account, he's not reviewing Linux as a whole for the whole world.
@@user-rk9kb2sd9b I don't see why you'd jump on the offensive, I never said that the channel owner is wrong, I fully agree that Linux sucks for content creation, I just think that content creation is not a topic in which the large majority of people are interested in, so in case that someone were interested in Linux and would stumble upon this video I'd like to point out that for a good bunch of tasks Linux is usable. If you're into movie production or image editing then stick with Windows but for office work and everyday browsing you might try to switch if you're interested.
scaling is a nightmare and they refuse to improve. Instead they'd rather just orgasm over arch linux.
As a Linux user. All I can say is that you have to get into linux with the same mindset you’d approach a game console.
You have to consider which games are exclusive and which are third party.
Otherwise you’ll be on a Nintendo Switch complaining about not being able to play God Of War.
As a person who uses Linux for 20 years - partially exclusive - I think you mention very important points which aren't big in the grand scheme perhaps but really about quality of life aspects.
Take the WireGuard GUI or your video camera you use to record videos with.
I often find myself finding out about tools which come with a GUI and are easy to use for hardware or software issues I had before but that barely get mentioned anywhere because there's no exact standard in these. That's good because most tools are just graphical frontends anyway but bad for everyday users who may be like you just want to try out Linux.
Won't complain about you sticking with Windows either but I think to say their stuff just works with Windows or macOS is the easy way out too. Not in the YOU MUST USE LINUX AND FOSS sense but in the sense that there's specific hard- and software optimized for specific operating systems to function with and that's okay. In reality Linux users often use workarounds to get their stuff to function as expected. When it does it's fantastic, when not... well... you saw it for yourself.
On a side note, thank you for actually doing a short video capture with that Logitech webcam. I often see it in stores and consider picking it up but seeing it here compared to your main webcam isn't really a great experience.
You're not wrong about the distro you chose. There is no "wrong". All distros are a combination of like 5 things, so anyone who complains about distros just doesn't know Linux very well. I'm personally not a big fan of Fedora or Red Hat, but that's because they tried to screw over the Linux community, not because they're bad distros. Otherwise, just choose your poison. Whatever distro will keep you on Linux for more than 30 days is the one you should go with.
I keep reading comments like yours about fedora and red hat. I recently started using both and I enjoy them but I always remember what you guys say about why you ditched them
nah nowadays distro plays a big role. even the DE does. he chose mint on xorg. Big mistake if he wants proper multimonitor scaling since its not supported on xorg (only wayland), and mint doesn't have wayland yet. if he wanted his monitors and stuff to work, he should've gone with endeavourOS with KDE on wayland.
I too have tried Linux, many times in fact, but every time I do try Linux, history has a habit of repeating itself and I always end up comming back to Windows. So I have decided to never use Linux ever again, for me it's just one disappointment after another. I've made a little list of reasons why I will not miss Linux, which are:
I will not miss coming to a grinding halt when trying to do something that is hard to do on Linux but so much easier and simpler on Windows.
I will not miss having to look up how to do things.
I will not miss having to open the terminal and type in commands just to get a simple task done. You almost never have to do this on Windows.
I will not miss having to enter my password every single God dam time I want to do something.
I will not miss having no volume normalization function.
I will not miss the insanely long loading times.
I will not miss clicking an icon and have nothing happen, only for it to finally do something several minutes later after I clicked it.
I will not miss clicking an icon and wondering if it's actually doing anything at all.
I will not miss Windows games and software not working, or only partially working.
I will not miss the fact that only very few games and software for Windows can work flawlessly on Linux.
I will not miss not being able to install extensions and plug-ins for Windows software.
I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not every time I load Steam.
I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not any time I try to install a Windows game or app.
I will not miss it being a gamble as to whether it will work or not any time I try to install any Linux game or app!
I will not miss Windows virtual machines that only partially work.
I will not miss not being able to save a copy of any software that I download and install.
I will not miss buggy and broken software that barely works.
I will not miss Linux at all because all the things I can do on Linux, I can do on Windows 100 times more easily.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing Microsoft at all, it's just that Windows is the better option for me. I still hate the modern Microsoft and everything they stand for, but Windows just ... works. If Linux works for you and you’re happy with it then that’s fine, I’m not trying to make Linux users switch to Windows. Go with what suits you best. As I said, Windows is just the better choice for me, it’s my decision, I have been using Windows nearly all my life, it’s what I know and I don't see any reason to switch to Linux when I just have a much easier computing experience with Windows. I don’t feel “at home” on Linux. Yes I know there is evil spyware in modern versions of Windows, sending your private data off to Microsoft where they can sell it to the highest bidder and get even more money, but there's workarounds to stop all of that. Plus, I have not, and will not, buy a license key as A) I don't trust them to work, B) I'm not giving Microsoft my money, and C) I'm not paying for a key that might not work at all, or expires after half a year. I use activation scripts and whatnot for that. It's my computer, and I will use it how I want to, not how they want me to.
I think most of the "issues" are really the problems with companies making the software not for Linux but for Windows or Mac OS. I honestly don't think it's Linux'es fault that some vendor decides not to make a Linux version of their product. It's a bit like saying WiFi is bad because you don't have a wireless networking card in your computer. Maybe exaggerating but that's my general feeling.
Well, an operating system is only as useful as the software that supports it. And outside of gaming, Linux is no more useful than a Chromebook. Which is fine for most people, but for anyone that actually uses their computer for their livelihood is useless.
I liked the video.
How about trying one of the ecosystem companies? Like Tuxedo or System76? That could be interesting.
It doesn't matter what distro you choose, you always select the wrong one. ;)
Facts
It took me a couple tries to come back to using Linux full time. It works for me, but I get why people are apprehensive about a switch. It is a tinkerers OS and if you're wanting to just use your computer to work or complete a task, well Linux can give you headaches. I believe one day it can rival MacOS or Windows, but currently it is more of a hobbyist OS and that's okay.
Idc what anyone says, linux is frustrating. Stuff just doesnt work alot of time. Then you switch distros, and that can fix some problems, but also makes new ones.
I tried three distros and was miserable every time. Turns out I had tried three different versions of Debian... I love that Linux exists but it at least partially exists to make me insane.
I tried to move from Linux to MacOS and Linux to Windows on separate occasions and I had a lot of trouble with all of the incompatibilities that exist in those ecosystems. Windows was better, but they were both exhausting to fiddle with to get my workflow and existing hardware to work with those operating systems. When asking for help from online communities they were extremely dismissive and unhelpful telling me that I was doing things the wrong way and it would never work, but I was using my methods very effectively using multiple Linux distributions and even a couple of BSD variants (which is why I was very shocked that Apple incompatibilities were so insurmountable).
I had similar Frustrations switching from and Android phone to an iOS one.
I eventually went back to Linux and Android. An bought a Window pre-installed laptop to deal with incompatibilities stemming from Microsoft. I make sure to turn it on one a month to update Windows but have gone 4 months without actually using it and I'm questioning if was worth spending the time and money on it.
Mint uses old technlogy, around 1year 1/2+ old. In Linux thats too long because the development is fast. Use distros like Fedora, Opensuse or Ubuntu. With KDE of Gnome.
Just removed my comment about mint. Let them live and learn
Love your sense of humor (and your content 🙂)
Linux Mint is probably the best distro for new users, however in your case you need wayland and you need cutting edge repos for your tech. You might have gotten more luck with Arch, but also maybe not because you need some experience with Linux before you can make full use of Arch.
It seems a little harsh to blame Linux for Riot Games being hostile to Linux and making it not work. Linux is compatible with League of Legends, League of Legends is not compatible with Linux....
I’m not blaming anyone for anything. I’m just showing you my experience.
Nobody cares who's fault it is, all people care about is being unable to play a game they want to.
The end result is what matters and which ever way you phrase it the outcome is the same.
I tried to adopt Linux on my desktop a few times now. Each time I failed to stick with it and set it aside and waited a couple of years to let things mature and evolve. Each time I would go back and try it again, I'd fail again. It fails for the same reasons each time: Exceptionally bad printer support (for the modern printer I use) and other simple things in Windows and MacOS are difficult in Linux and require an IT degree to get working. The latter encompasses a lot of simple things like easily auto-mounting attached USB drives and NAS shares at boot without having to resort to obscure config files and mount points. Getting that to work in other OS's is far easier. In Linux I have to put on my propeller hat to try to get it going. Most recently I tried going with Linux Mint, too, for the reasons you mentioned.
Proprietary hardware that doesn’t support the platform but the issue is definitely Linux. WireGuard GUI support is baked into the Network Manager in KDE Plasma.
You can’t switch blindly and expect things to just work. Being a more technical person you should have researched a little before making assumptions like a noob. Yes Linux isn’t for everyone and that’s ok. It will probably never be. You switch, you adapt, you make it work and that’s how we stay in Linux. Do not bring the baggage of other operating systems in hopes that everything will work the same because it won’t. That’s the issue that a lot of people have. Unwilling to adapt and change and that’s fine. But don’t blame Linux. As you said these are “your” issues. Don’t take this the wrong way it’s just observations and I think you could do better next time. Great video and awesome way to get stirred up 😂 cheers!
Tool vs Task. Tasks are more important when people need things done.
Very cool video, love the humour. Yep, you are 100% correct as regards the hammer analogy.
I am a full time Linux user and it works for me, however, I will never tell anyone that they should ditch the other OS they are using because I don't like it.
Their workflow, their choice.
As an IT guy of over 20 years, I can confidently say using Linux is way easier than using Mac. The Mac OS is just AWFUL.
I mean that’s subjective but I respect that opinion.
As someone who uses all 3, I wouldn't really say that. I used windows my whole life and bought my first mac (mini) last year and have been using Windows less and less since. I haven't turned my windows PC on in a month at this point.
It's bearable, if you only doing one task at the the time. But multitasking, windows management, audio control for different apps and everything about switching between programs are just infuriating. Also mildly annoying that window control buttons slightly offset from corner and not consistent at all even between Apples programs. It's annoying that to close window you should aim at red dot, that constantly moving on several pixels for each window.
I often ask myself - do I actually like MacOS or do I like imessage and icloud on my phone and my computer?
Because I'm really a gnome user at heart.
This is super subjective and your opinion is nothing but shallow. I have all three and I use Mac the least because it doesn't fit my needs. For what I do, Mac is not that useful. But that's just based on my needs and I will never say mac sucks.
Wayland is mostly fine these days. It is dependent on the distribution and hardware though. I run arch where you have the newest version of all software. And there Wayland runs fine. On my AMD notebook for a year all is fine. On my Nvidia desktop it works well since a couple of month. Nvidia had most issues with Wayland for a while.
Garuda Dragonized has the emulators I want most distros don't have them emulating on other Linux distros were bad for me I will make Linux Mint an exception if I were to upgrade from Windows 10 it would be Garuda Dragonized and not Windows 11 I've noticed some Linux distros don't support the emulators I want on some of them I noticed Wine keeps breaking I might just stick with Garuda Linux or actually install Arch Linux I would stick with a distro that you feel comfortable with most of my emulators I use are Windows only so it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work on different Linux distros I also noticed some Linux distros don't even support Wine so be careful about those. This is based on my experience and break down with Linux so far I am more used to emulating on Windows than Linux but I must admit I am only doing it because Valve is making their way into the Linux community because of Steam Deck for some reason I am obsessed with the Garuda distro because everything works and acts similar to Windows even though it's an Arch based distro this community knows exactly what they're doing I might just go back to them for emulating my games and Steam games.