I adapted to it ALMOST too quickly my inner child was about to come out of me because it LOOKED very similar to Windows XP which I like the environment to this day over modern Windows Microsoft just needs to stop with this tablet non sense and go back to Frutiger Aero. They THINK their new looks are minimalist when it actually really isn't Frutiger Aero was ALREADY as MODERN as Windows could actually get and they had no business taking it out. I wanna know what drugs the developers are on because the Aero menu is a lot more minimalist than the falsely claimed modern menu is the start menu in Windows 11 is even worse than in Windows 10 with Windows 10 you can make it LOOK like the classic menu is back by removing all the featured apps or using Windows N Edition and dragging the menu to the left all the way. A lot of ads are about to be injected in Windows 11 24H2 which Microsoft is testing out right now by 2025 upon release making it IMPOSSIBLE to use Windows 11. The only GOOD NEWS is that Microsoft is being FORCED to ALLOW a Windows 11 local account in the 24H2 but you have to WAIT until next year just for them to patch the update I still don't trust Windows Recall and will NOT be going back to Windows until they remove that and the AI Telemetry being injected into Windows to CONTROL your desktop I think ZorinOS might be the future of how I use my desktop but I am going to miss all the mods I have but with the Windows XP looking start menu is actually attracting my attention and the theming is just absolutely out standing specifically the opacity in the taskbar you can make it SIMILAR to Windows 7 which I find is actually pretty cool.
I've been using Linux since 2004-2005 and I love ZorinOS. Its not just for Windows users, its for ppl who actually want their Linux distro to work out of the box without having to tinker with it for weeks just to get simple things to work. I've come full circle. I started with redhat, went to Ubuntu and later Mint. Found myself fiddling with Arch for years. These days I love distros like Zorin that just work out of the box.
Ive been running the same arch for a hot minute now, im not even sure how long. I setup qtile & all my configs & backed everything up on git as well as a list of all the dependencies I found i needed for the softwares I use. Since doing that, even a fresh install of arch works practically out of box for me
lolwut? I just re-installed an Arch box yesterday; took about 5min to install and half hour to install packages and configure ... I suspect you're trying to do it through clicky-draggy GUI crap rather than with config files which are transferable and can be versioned.
@@halfsourlizard9319 I don't switch distros like I use to so I have no reason to have everything scripted anymore. If someone is coming from Windows they aren't gonna have some handy pre-built config files for arch on their non-existent github.
What kind of tinkering would you have to do with something like Fedora to get simple things to work? Because other than installing some applications, I don't remember doing any tinkering.
I'd say the dark/light wallpaper is personal preference. I personally like dark theme + dark wallpaper. Dont want to accidentally blind myself with bright light after closing a dark themed application. 10:09
I once installed this for an elderly client that was tired of "Hackers" on their windows machine. He adapted well and appreciated that I made his computer "faster, and cleaner."
Zorin and Mint are both nice for beginners moving over form Windows. Zorin 17 has the advantage of being shipped with Wayland by default since it uses a heavily customized version of Gnome instead of Cinnamon. On Mint, Wayland is currently an "experimental" feature.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 It's much lighter, secure, screen-tear free, and the defacto replacement for the old spaghetti code, X11 display protocol. Gives you better performance if you game or heavily use your GPU. Just may not be ready if you rely on proprietary NVIDIA and using GNOME (or some niche software).
@@SS-ARYAN"It's much lighter, secure, screen-tear free," Yes, you've just described Gentoo Linux that I've used since 2003 - and that's free. "and the defacto replacement for the old spaghetti code, X11 display protocol." The implementation of X11 is called "xorg" (you appeared to be struggling to name it) and it works fine. I'd like to see someone show me a working Wayland implementation on a Pentium III based laptop from 20 years ago. Xorg "just works". "Gives you better performance if you game or heavily use your GPU." I am not a "gamer as a service" who plays "Starfailed" or "Cybersplatt 4044" rubbish. I also don't used NVIDIA's overpriced and proprietary crap whose drivers cause screen tearing. Every game I play (a lot!) is pre-2010. "Just may not be ready if you rely on proprietary NVIDIA and using GNOME (or some niche software)." As above, I don't rely on that rubbish. I've not gone near GNOME since GNOME 2 and I only use AMD or Intel, not NVIDIA's rubbish.
@@lordkordus8139 Okay, I'll bite... why is xwayland less susceptible to key loggers? And be careful, I've 18 years experience in cyber-security and a lot longer in UNIX and Linux. In your own time, impress me...
Dark mode is primarily intended for using your computer in dark environments, at night, etc. it's not intended to be only a stylistic choice as you seem to think. Having a light background at night to burn your eyes after the computer wakes up is regarded (drop the g).
I’m guessing the “drop the g” comment refers to him pronouncing GNOME as Guh-Nome, which is the PROPER way to say it, and not a lot of people know that and assume it’s supposed to be pronounced like a garden gnome.
You still can't properly import documents saved as word format into Google Docs. Libre Office fonts are alternate/free fonts and it chokes. I had to take my Libre Office file, copy it to Google Drive, re-download it to my ancient Macbook Pro that had a real copy of Word on it, and re-do all of the fonts and formatting that while it LOOKS the same, wasn't industry standard. Then save it, re-upload it, and then import it into Google Docs. So them fixing it by spending a little time and money is a big deal. This is WHY you pay money for a hybrid/commercial product, IMO. Support, patches, and if they need a codec or font of video driver, simply pay for it and add it to the product. Zorin seems interesting to me as it gives you some of this for a nominal price.
@@TomMarloweRiddle I usually do as some a88hat has a problem with it not being the right format or not printing out right or something. Been using Linux for a year now and no problems at all other than a couple of MMOs not supporting it. I did run into one person who had a problem until I politely explained that PDF has been the industry standard for 30 years now. lol. She wasn't too happy, but I wasn't building a Windows PC just to install a version of Word. It was for a class and I think she was just interested in checking the class with AI/for AI rather than reading it. Word is admittedly easy to tell if AI was used by looking at the correction history. Of course, NOW I do use AI for the basic template and then alter it to fit my style and grammar. Super easy for things like business emails and the like in 5 minutes rather than 20 minutes. :)
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Libre office has multiple user interface settings. Tabbed user interface you see in the video that resembles modern office suite can be enabled in any libre office.
I think the Zorin layout is actually a better option for Gnome than the default layout. As an ex Windows user myself I like to have a start menu that is easy to navigate. I am using Gnome myself but I have installed the Arc Menu which gives it a Cinnamon style menu that new users would be more used to. Gnome used to have this menu until they changed it in Gnome 3 but I think Gnome should offer users a choice of menu. Which could be the default Gnome or a menu like Zorin. KDE offers several style menus for their desktops so I don't see why Gnome can't. I have tried Zorin out in live mode and I would be happy to have it on my desktop. Not sure if you can disable the Snaps or Flataks though.
My old Cinnamon build years ago was tweaked to look almost identical to the old MacOS from 2010 or so. Clean and easy to use. This looks like it has the same ideas in mind, where being able to just navigate and find things quickly is set up for you. Which is 90% of the "battle". Even as a bittervet myself ( heh ) I really appreciate when it's simple and direct as after a while, I just don't WANT to deal with the extra time and work to do what even my budget phone does by default.
@@synapse-nova lol. It really doesn't mean much to the average new user, but it DOES matter what distro you use when it comes to patches and updates. I liked Garuda ( as an example) but one man's obsession and love with precious little backup in case a random delivery van took him out one day (we never know when that walk across the street will be our last - lol) was not good for anything other than as a hobby/curiosity. Zorin is... I'd call it barely viable for mainstream use at 7 employees. Still, far better than 1 or 2 like many smaller distros. My main complaint with almost all distros is that they are still in the "free" camp, which is, if I am playing for an OS, I fully expect them to pay for the licenses to use the official drivers and APIs what Windows developers do so that emulation and mouse input and all the rest works perfectly. It's a few cents here and there in the price of a typical piece of software (per copy), but it's also why, as an example, everyone in a business environment uses Parallels on Mac instead of some kludgy "free" emulator. In fact, I think it's the main reason Linux in general hasn't caught on. They cling to that "free or die" mentality like a Libertarian prepper rather than run a business. That Nvidia driver nonsense? Pay to use the official ones like Zorin did. Can you use Nvidia's official drivers? Absolutely. For a nominal fee like every other developer. DUH. Oh, look, stuff doesn't crash or go wonky! Yes, it's a little money for the Pro version, but it's pretty clean from what I can see. And you DO get better stability and support for that price. Free only goes so far.
LibreOffice is configured in Tabbed layout, which mimics MS office. Makes sense for a distro aimed at windows users, but it's a hassle to change the layout Edit: changed "Ribbon" to "Tabbed" since that's what it's actually called, thanks terrydaktyllus1320 for telling me I'm wrong
"LibreOffice is configured in Ribbon layout" Oh, it's you again, Mr. "Nobody in an office needs WINE". Do you make a point of just posting stuff that is just plain wrong? There is NO ribbon layout in LibreOffice, there never has been.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 lots of distros offer donation options, zorin instead chooses to have a paid pro version, more or less made for supporting the project
Just a small correction DT, WINE is not an emulation layer, its name itself stands for "Wine is not an emulator". Instead, it is a PE to ELF translation layer and re-implementation of Windows APIs on Unix. I specify Unix here because it also exists for FreeBSD and macOS.
In a strict meaning you're right. From my point of view it doesn't matter what they do behind the scenes. From user point of view it is an emulator. Every single app can be described in a way that nobody understands what they really do.
@@emem666 Saying Wine is an emulator, when it isn't, is a disservice to the people who want to know what it is; and not only that, by calling Wine an emulator, you're contributing to what you're saying you're against.
Wine is a framework that provides a Linux substrate bridged with Windows and works in most intended scenarios. The compiler guys call this IR, Intermediate Representations. Either way and nevertheless, virtualizations and emulations are technical approaches to the same problem; just like hyper-visors. All gaming distro's include Wine, as well as most Educational focused distro's, like LinuxFX. And also security oriented OS'es ship Wine by default, hardly without exception.
@@MsDuketown I didn't understand the comment. IR in compiler design is the internal representation which multiple frontends can emit and have a common backend. The GCC project and the LLVM projects are a good example of it, where in GCC, we have C, C++, Ada, D language frontends emitting the same IR which gets compiled to different architecture specific binaries by different backends. The same exists in Clang as well as Apple's platforms. What I meant by translation layer here is that WINE acts as a program loader and runtime linker assist, as Linux usually only understands how to load and link ELF binaries, not PE binaries. Technically both are different.
Zorin removed all the things people hated about GNOME and brought in line with Budgie and Cinnamon. The traditional desktop metaphor still works well for most people.
DT, you're funny. I agree with the others on color themes-it's a personal preference, but for me, using a dark theme across the board is a functional necessity. Reducing the light coming from my monitor helps maintain consistent eye dilation, which in turn reduces eye strain and mental fatigue. I find it much easier to focus with lower overall light emissions. A dark UI with a bright, snowy mountain background would be like staring at fluorescent lights above an office cubicle-definitely not something I could tolerate for long. I have used Zorin OS 16 for a couple years and it has been consistently fast and solid. It just works (as the saying goes) for what I need. Crazy to think that Zorin is over 15 years old now.
actually not, it's just the point release which means the enhancements are rather minor, and the new major version would still premiere a year after new Ubuntu LTS lol
Hey DT, thanks for reviewing beginners distros for us noobs. If a beginner viewer likes this they will recommend it to their disillusioned Windows user friends and therefore spread the Linux love.
It feels way less "Windows-like" to KDE in many ways IMO. I do like that it has its own style despite making itself approachable to users. They also do a great job at supporting the public sector and enterprise clients, something you don't really get for desktop Linux outside of Ubuntu. I initially dropped Zorin because I wanted something more bleeding edge (ironically I'm on KDE Neon now lol) but I do miss it. Maybe I'll make a jump across again :D
4:38 "this windows emulation layer" applause-worthy trolling right there 👏 Also, I regularly use wine for playing random games I find on itch. But for office work, which I think was your point, WINE is just taking up space.
Sometimes I think that if a lot more triple A game companies made games that worked in Linux natively, a lot more people would start using Linux as their default OS.
I prefer a dar wallpaper with a dark theme. As I use a dark theme to dim the desktop I dont then want a light wallpaper to burn my eyes again. I understand your point regards contrast. But for me darkening my desktop is to stop it from blinding me especially in a darkened room.
Zorin Core got me to switch from Windows two years ago when I saw it wasn't ugly. Looking at you, Mint. It's like a commercial OS. Tried a dozen distros on Ventoy (VMs suck) but saw no reason to hop. I run it on a bunch of old quad core biz desktops that I get for almost nothing and add a cheap SSD. Staying with Chrome made switching easy. Zorin Core + Chrome is the ideal OS for normies. Like a more elegant Windows that doesn't nag, spy or refuse to install or a better Chrome OS that doesn't expire. Most people would be happy with Pinta for photo editing and Google Docs.
@@valiantviktorYou can talk about what you like, you just look a bit silly coming into a computer discussion and looking like you know nothing about computers. For the record, I know nothing about sport - so I tend to drink in normal pubs, rather than sports bars anyway.
Well I generally theme my desktops around my wallpaper utilizing the various colors, as far as defaults go I am in complete agreement with you on the contrast point. I have put zorin on former Windows users laptops to great success and would recommend it, Even if I don't technical use it myself.
I installed Zorin on my Mother In Laws computer years and years ago. Completely trouble free and runs like a champ. Whereas I continuously have to be tech support for my parents all the time on windows, I never have to help my MOL. Just have chromium and writer on her desktop, done and done.
fun fact: i used the dock mode in zorin os (the one in the appearances app) but i used dash to dock to make the dock show on the desktop which is smort so u dont have to go to activities when you want to open another running app
I've had Zorin on my second laptop for years, but it's an older version that I don't want to update because I have so much on there (specific device drivers for older hardware peripheral etc and specific system-level command line installed stuff, a lot of which is not necessarily easy to source again now). May be time to spin up a newer version though... But I'll have a lot of stuff to add again. My main reason for having a Linux machine is because I work with a lot of devices and system that use file systems that Windows can't see and takes a lot of fiddling with VM's etc to do, where with Linux it's all just there.
It looks a lot like Garuda's latest. But being based on something most people use (ie - supported and easy to find fixes) looks like it has a lot of advantages. My gripe with Garuda for the 6 months I used it was it was unstable in the oddest places, like external USB support simply died permanently one day. Scanner is dead but the printer works. Sometimes my mouse simply gets jammed in games. Beautiful and easy to use, though. This looks like it might be worth a look. :)
I do like Zorin OS. I daily drive it in my back up laptop. I had to fix an issue. Evolution email. It stopped syncing. I couldn't get it to work. Some of the Zorin forums suggested deleting Evolution and using Thunderbird. I did. Problem solved.
Ah, good old Thunderbird. My only gripe is how it puts its email files in the most convoluted locations and importing old email profiles is a headache. But once working, it IS nice.
Zorin is great, my daily driver. BUT you need that Windows compatibility - you can't escape from it. For example, if You want to play upper tier games (and I DO) you'll have to install Proton with Steam; no tweaks needed but with proprietary video driver. Also, some apps for Linux just don't exist or are too expensive, like PDF editors. In addition, I listen music on Hi-fi system and sound quality is very important for me, so I tested several live Linux distros and Zorin won.
I had a look at Zorin 16 and am using it for a daily driver. It's not bad ... its a tarted up Ubuntu. The wine is pretty useless but it always was. I don't like seeing so much remote connection sofware on it as such things are a boon for scammers but that's another story. I put on Zorin 17 but that is more like a tarted up Ubuntu than Zorin 16. I thought 16 was better so I reinstalled 16. If I want Ubuntu I will just install 24.04 when it comes but the 16 is not too shabby as a daily driver.
Microsoft's gross mismanagement of attempting to force Win11 onto the world (and me) has finally pushed me into finding an acceptable linux option. Zorin looks promising. Thanks for the vid.
This comment will probably be unanswered but I'm curious. Why do all versions of linux come with excuses, I've never seen anything really solid, it's been decades now and I never found anything to jump ship. I'm very eager to leave Windows but all versions I've seen have garbage utility and convenience, there must be something I'm missing right? Please educate me and tell me a good one that will not blow up my speakers and make me go into command line to change a simple setting, something I can play games with, ALL games and not kill 20% of my fps.
If you want to play games occasionally, Linux can do it but it's not for that, if you play games most of your time then stick to windows. People just love to influence others to be like them. Every OS has its uses. Linux is for development and general use. Windows is for games and software like (Adobe and autodesk), even though there are alternatives on Linux, they're shit. Mac is for video editing and iOS development. I am a Linux user for 5 years now btw, and it is NOT for everyone.
dt, please make a video on how to to use kde + hyprland or qtile for the window manager instead of kwin. Meaning all the services of kde and hyprland or qtile as window manager in wayland same session.
I just bought a Zorin 17 disk off eBay, but it seems to be hanging up during the install. It is a 64 bit disk but I have an older computer that I'm trying to install it on. Is that why it's hanging up during the install. I was thinking my older computer isn't compatible with my computer.
Some old computers are indeed too old. My motherboard is barely modern enough to run it, but it can. Mind you, it's a LGA1155 processor, so.. how old IS your computer? That said (I'm sure you fixed it by now, but in case someone else reads this who needs help) , I would put a downloaded copy on a flash drive and try to install it that way. Many distros are... they may or may not play well with older tech like a CD/DVD drive.
@@plektosgaming I bought another disk and I have the computer up and running. I added another 4 port USB card in it and I have the cable now to power it but haven't had time to do anything with it because my sister has been in a nursing home for a couple of weeks and I just haven't taken the time to hook the cable to the card and the pwr supply. I still have to learn to use Linux but that's going to take a lot more time as I'm a newby. I'm not sure how old my computer is. I'd have to look it up and see. I think it's probably about 8 to 10 years old, maybe older.
@@magoolew5131 The oldest I could get to work with modern distros was generally an i5/i7 and newer. So from a technical standpoint, anything that generation or newer should be fine. Getting Linux to run was difficult on the newer (2018+) HP desktops. Dell were even more finicky. But we did like the HP 8300 series. (right before the G series came out) Solid little boxes if you got the i7. Cheap now as they aren't playing well with W11, but perfect for Linux if you just want an all in one box and don't game much.
@@mihairomulus2488 Not sure about that, the UI is very antiquated. It looks roughly the same as it did 10 years ago except that the skin is more modern. The icon set for example still looks like something from 2013.
@@Dunestorm333 that's all default stuff, it's Linux you can literally right click to change that the UI is very clean, intuitive and complete, just because it doesn't have a glossy look that doesn't mean it's bad, it's a very practical and efficient UI
Was just wandering what distro should I install in my parents laptop, they are used to them, but they wont be capable of running w11, so they want me to "fix them". Thanks for the review DT
Mint or Zorin install easily, run and update without command line, and are an easy transition from Windows. My parents loved them. Less hassle than Windows!
I don't know how you still think most Linux users don't use Wine. There are tons of Linux users that play games. And if you play games that are not on Steam using Proton you need Wine to play those games. Either manually installing older games and games from places like GOG or using Lutris or other tools (for those who NEED a gui to feel comfy) but either way I'll bet your there are thousands more than you think using Wine to play games. And Wine plays 100's of games pretty flawlessly these days.
Mint is my favorite but do we really need this shit ass discussion? There's an audience for Zorin that clearly likes it so let's not be elitistic here.
I use last stable Deepin because was little better than zorin. But i like zorin to. Manjaro kde was before my best distro, but stop function after last update! I try to download the last version, but same problem.
awwwwww. It is Gnome based. I sadly dont vibe with that and KDE6's new feature to full screen every windowed game in windowed mode instead of needing gamescope to do that is just too good.
I wish I could get Windows 7 or XP to run on my Ryzen 7950x with 128gb I would dwmp Windows 10 in a heartbeat. Never running 11. Linux still isn't there yet. Which leaves me in a pickle of using Windows 10 for the next 20 years or as long as I can hold out. I had it dual booting to Zorin 16 but that install went pear shaped on me and things started breaking. The software installer and package manager just was creating a big mess of things that didn't work. Zorin won't install either under Windows 10 VM, or I'd give it another chance.
$25 for a 256GB SSD. That was my solution. Zorin is nice. If you game and don't care about more than basic productivity, Garuda or other gaming-focused distros. Try some, find what works, boot back to your old OS if you need to.
That lines up with my experience with Zorin OS 9, 10, 11, 15 that led me to distro hopping until I somewhat settled on Xubuntu at some point then Linux Mint since about 2020
@@ordinarryalienSo you want him to come to you to check that his comments meet your "editorial standards" before he posts them? And who are you to tell anyone else what they should and shouldn't post here?
@@abunk8691 Zorin Lite was my first Linux distro, I had wonderful experience, I had no problem to getting any work done. Later I tried Lubuntu, Q4OS, Ubuntu mate, Kubuntu. They gave me my fair share of headache. So I came back to Zorin , and add a kde plasma de, so I can get my work done. It went well for a month. Then kde started to cause problem, ditch that too. Started using Zorin only, it booted slow, but it ran smooth. Just when the latest comp update arrived it started causing problem.
I was expecting/hoping a more win-app friendly OS without so much Linux.. Make an OS that only plays games (remember G-dos?) you can boot out and in with.. boom,.. billion bucks.
You mean "Pick 'n' NixOS" - the immutable distro designed to keep users away from their own stupidity? As an old bloke, I remember a time when we just used to "sit down and learn stuff", make the make occasional mistake, be a bit embarrassed, then laugh it off and learn from the experience. Nowadays, kids are so afraid of making mistakes and rely on someone else to protect them from their own ignornance - which can be overcome with time and effort. We all came into this world knowing nothing.
Why are there rocks and hamburger menus on my screen? Are these people serious? So it can't run Windows applications out of the box. What's the point then. I've got to run Sony Vegas. I bet Windows Network file sharing don't run right out of the box either.
Thinking of moving to linux from windows. cant be speding months on debloating win 11 22h2 then microsoft releases new version with even more crapware spyware and now 24h2 making pics of my desktop every few secs, good bye microscamsoft, Zorin OS looks promising.
Each edition of Zorin OS (Pro, Core and Education) is also available in a light version that runs better on older hardware. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorin_OS#Editions
the least you could do is buy that ISO man. you know you're going to make money from this video using their program and name. it's not just you, all the Linux TH-camrs do the same thing. sad thing really
hear me out brother 😅 it's not about using it, its about supporting the team behind it. I mean he's making money of the video the least he can do is give them 45$
if the guy was making wild profit from the video it's a good point, but with 38k views he's going to be in the hole for years im sure the guys at zorin appreciate the review, it's great publicity and the more people that take the plunge from windows to linux the better
98% of my games run as-is via Proton. Highly recommended. Oh, and the Heroic Games launcher as well if you have those accounts. But Wine - hasn't been touched in years.
steam/proton usually works perfectly - valve have done an amazing job over the years, the argument that windows is necessary for gaming is largely dead imho but Lutris is useful for other crappy launchers like origin, ea, ubisoft, etc
@@bottlerat2318So I have to be the channel owner to reply to your comments? How does that work then? Did you ask the channel owner if you could post your comment in the first place?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 no no that’s not what I meant at all and I’m not trying to be rude. I meant you aren’t the one making the videos for this channel so i wouldn’t see why you would decline a suggestion.
@@IuseArchbtw-di6cdThat's a bit like ordering the "Olive Pizza" and picking off the olives before you eat it because you don't like olives - as opposed to just ordering a pizza without olives in the first place. Arch is poor man's Gentoo, BTW.
@@IuseArchbtw-di6cdWhile you clearly weren't learning anything about how Gentoo works, I was completely ignoring Chromium on my myriads of Gentoo PCs in my workshop and instead installing *firefox-bin* as a package, which, as the name would suggest, requires no compilation whatsoever. Next point from you about Gentoo that I can also completely smash into smithereens, sonny?
@@valiantviktorSorry, is that noise supposed to be you clearing your throat or something? Is that something you have to write down here? Can you not just make the noise behind your computer screen quietly?
Ah, you poor little man... has nobody showed you how to open a different site in your browser or turn off your PC so you don't have to watch "bad" Mr. DT?
@@CompactDisc_700MBI think His Majesty The Original Poster clearly feels that he should have been kept informed. Has anyone been over to puff up the cushions on his throne yet? Or cut his dinner up into bite-sized pieces?
Never understood the point of this, if you want to use Windows then use windows, Linux isnt anything like Windows and attempting to make it act like it just sounds like unnecessary confusion
Can you not imagine scenarios? 50 year old man. A Linux admin as his job. Has a mother of 80 living on her own on the other side of the country who never needed to use a computer for her job. She only needs a computer for a browser for email and something like internet banking. Her 50 year old son is tired of getting calls from mum saying her Windows laptop is playing up again. The son knows it's because of Windows. Xmas comes and the son goes to stay with mum for a couple of weeks. During that time the son shows his mum this Zorin OS on another laptop and his mum gets to grip with it quickly and likes it. The son leaves his mum the laptop but also leaves mum with her Windows laptop. Over the next few months mum transitions from Windows to Zorin and is perfectly happy with it. Something that might of helped with this transition is because parts of it are like Windows. Take away from this is that the world is made up of people who have had a very different life experience to you and me. And if it wasn't for the mums of the world then none of us would be here.
@@MrJakeTuckerTo be fair, that's a very SPECIFIC scenario... the chances are that the OP doesn't fit in that category anyway (by probability alone) so what point do you think that you have actually made here?
Well.. the thing is, that Windows shamelessly copied everyone else. There are elements of Windows 3.11 that copied Amiga and Atari 16 bit OSs, Apple, and others. And so on until Windows 7, where it started to look different - but still a fancy shell on top of crap code. So, design elements are just that - and good ones are not OS specific. So I feel no shame in taking the best from everything and making it actually work well. That was the problem with Linux for more than a decade. It was honestly kludgy and harder to use than my old Apple IIGS on a normal day. Changes like this are absolutely necessary if you want to gain wider acceptance.
This is the distro we use on my office, all guys actually adapted very quickly
I adapted to it ALMOST too quickly my inner child was about to come out of me because it LOOKED very similar to Windows XP which I like the environment to this day over modern Windows Microsoft just needs to stop with this tablet non sense and go back to Frutiger Aero. They THINK their new looks are minimalist when it actually really isn't Frutiger Aero was ALREADY as MODERN as Windows could actually get and they had no business taking it out. I wanna know what drugs the developers are on because the Aero menu is a lot more minimalist than the falsely claimed modern menu is the start menu in Windows 11 is even worse than in Windows 10 with Windows 10 you can make it LOOK like the classic menu is back by removing all the featured apps or using Windows N Edition and dragging the menu to the left all the way. A lot of ads are about to be injected in Windows 11 24H2 which Microsoft is testing out right now by 2025 upon release making it IMPOSSIBLE to use Windows 11. The only GOOD NEWS is that Microsoft is being FORCED to ALLOW a Windows 11 local account in the 24H2 but you have to WAIT until next year just for them to patch the update I still don't trust Windows Recall and will NOT be going back to Windows until they remove that and the AI Telemetry being injected into Windows to CONTROL your desktop I think ZorinOS might be the future of how I use my desktop but I am going to miss all the mods I have but with the Windows XP looking start menu is actually attracting my attention and the theming is just absolutely out standing specifically the opacity in the taskbar you can make it SIMILAR to Windows 7 which I find is actually pretty cool.
I've been using Linux since 2004-2005 and I love ZorinOS. Its not just for Windows users, its for ppl who actually want their Linux distro to work out of the box without having to tinker with it for weeks just to get simple things to work. I've come full circle. I started with redhat, went to Ubuntu and later Mint. Found myself fiddling with Arch for years. These days I love distros like Zorin that just work out of the box.
Ive been running the same arch for a hot minute now, im not even sure how long. I setup qtile & all my configs & backed everything up on git as well as a list of all the dependencies I found i needed for the softwares I use.
Since doing that, even a fresh install of arch works practically out of box for me
lolwut? I just re-installed an Arch box yesterday; took about 5min to install and half hour to install packages and configure ... I suspect you're trying to do it through clicky-draggy GUI crap rather than with config files which are transferable and can be versioned.
@@SamuTheFrogHa! Just saw that you'd said roughly the same ... Guess amphibians and reptiles think similarly ;P
@@halfsourlizard9319 I don't switch distros like I use to so I have no reason to have everything scripted anymore. If someone is coming from Windows they aren't gonna have some handy pre-built config files for arch on their non-existent github.
What kind of tinkering would you have to do with something like Fedora to get simple things to work? Because other than installing some applications, I don't remember doing any tinkering.
I'd say the dark/light wallpaper is personal preference. I personally like dark theme + dark wallpaper. Dont want to accidentally blind myself with bright light after closing a dark themed application. 10:09
I really enjoy how Zorin Os can be used with touch screens. I installed it on my old Lenovo Ideapad Miix and it works very straightforward.
Yes its great for touchscreen devices.
I once installed this for an elderly client that was tired of "Hackers" on their windows machine. He adapted well and appreciated that I made his computer "faster, and cleaner."
Zorin and Mint are both nice for beginners moving over form Windows. Zorin 17 has the advantage of being shipped with Wayland by default since it uses a heavily customized version of Gnome instead of Cinnamon. On Mint, Wayland is currently an "experimental" feature.
And Wayland is an "advantage" because...???
@@terrydaktyllus1320 It's much lighter, secure, screen-tear free, and the defacto replacement for the old spaghetti code, X11 display protocol. Gives you better performance if you game or heavily use your GPU. Just may not be ready if you rely on proprietary NVIDIA and using GNOME (or some niche software).
@@SS-ARYAN"It's much lighter, secure, screen-tear free,"
Yes, you've just described Gentoo Linux that I've used since 2003 - and that's free.
"and the defacto replacement for the old spaghetti code, X11 display protocol."
The implementation of X11 is called "xorg" (you appeared to be struggling to name it) and it works fine. I'd like to see someone show me a working Wayland implementation on a Pentium III based laptop from 20 years ago. Xorg "just works".
"Gives you better performance if you game or heavily use your GPU."
I am not a "gamer as a service" who plays "Starfailed" or "Cybersplatt 4044" rubbish. I also don't used NVIDIA's overpriced and proprietary crap whose drivers cause screen tearing.
Every game I play (a lot!) is pre-2010.
"Just may not be ready if you rely on proprietary NVIDIA and using GNOME (or some niche software)."
As above, I don't rely on that rubbish. I've not gone near GNOME since GNOME 2 and I only use AMD or Intel, not NVIDIA's rubbish.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 The one that no one ever talks about, less danger regarding keyloggers
@@lordkordus8139 Okay, I'll bite... why is xwayland less susceptible to key loggers? And be careful, I've 18 years experience in cyber-security and a lot longer in UNIX and Linux.
In your own time, impress me...
Wine is not an emulator.
Who cares ? It does the same thing from a user perspective
@@oumardicko5593But the name lis litteraly W. I. N. E. As in Wine Is Not An Emulator
@@lundgamingxd5387Y.A.N.E... "You Are Not an Expert".
Emulates so yes, it is an emulator
@@manuel.garcia021It doesn't lol
Dark mode is primarily intended for using your computer in dark environments, at night, etc. it's not intended to be only a stylistic choice as you seem to think. Having a light background at night to burn your eyes after the computer wakes up is regarded (drop the g).
rearded?
My use of dim and muted desktop wallpapers with darkmode is during color correction work. (Also have low intensity room lighting as well)
I’m guessing the “drop the g” comment refers to him pronouncing GNOME as Guh-Nome, which is the PROPER way to say it, and not a lot of people know that and assume it’s supposed to be pronounced like a garden gnome.
it looks like the libre office was configured to look more like microsoft word. pretty neat honestly
You still can't properly import documents saved as word format into Google Docs. Libre Office fonts are alternate/free fonts and it chokes. I had to take my Libre Office file, copy it to Google Drive, re-download it to my ancient Macbook Pro that had a real copy of Word on it, and re-do all of the fonts and formatting that while it LOOKS the same, wasn't industry standard. Then save it, re-upload it, and then import it into Google Docs. So them fixing it by spending a little time and money is a big deal. This is WHY you pay money for a hybrid/commercial product, IMO. Support, patches, and if they need a codec or font of video driver, simply pay for it and add it to the product.
Zorin seems interesting to me as it gives you some of this for a nominal price.
@@plektosgaming Just save it to pdf mate.
@@TomMarloweRiddle I usually do as some a88hat has a problem with it not being the right format or not printing out right or something. Been using Linux for a year now and no problems at all other than a couple of MMOs not supporting it.
I did run into one person who had a problem until I politely explained that PDF has been the industry standard for 30 years now. lol. She wasn't too happy, but I wasn't building a Windows PC just to install a version of Word. It was for a class and I think she was just interested in checking the class with AI/for AI rather than reading it. Word is admittedly easy to tell if AI was used by looking at the correction history.
Of course, NOW I do use AI for the basic template and then alter it to fit my style and grammar. Super easy for things like business emails and the like in 5 minutes rather than 20 minutes. :)
Libre office has multiple user interface settings. Tabbed user interface you see in the video that resembles modern office suite can be enabled in any libre office.
I think the Zorin layout is actually a better option for Gnome than the default layout. As an ex Windows user myself I like to have a start menu that is easy to navigate. I am using Gnome myself but I have installed the Arc Menu which gives it a Cinnamon style menu that new users would be more used to. Gnome used to have this menu until they changed it in Gnome 3 but I think Gnome should offer users a choice of menu. Which could be the default Gnome or a menu like Zorin. KDE offers several style menus for their desktops so I don't see why Gnome can't. I have tried Zorin out in live mode and I would be happy to have it on my desktop. Not sure if you can disable the Snaps or Flataks though.
My old Cinnamon build years ago was tweaked to look almost identical to the old MacOS from 2010 or so. Clean and easy to use. This looks like it has the same ideas in mind, where being able to just navigate and find things quickly is set up for you. Which is 90% of the "battle". Even as a bittervet myself ( heh ) I really appreciate when it's simple and direct as after a while, I just don't WANT to deal with the extra time and work to do what even my budget phone does by default.
snaps and flatpak r important yk
just to say snaps are useless so that means
that flatpak are nice
@@synapse-nova lol. It really doesn't mean much to the average new user, but it DOES matter what distro you use when it comes to patches and updates. I liked Garuda ( as an example) but one man's obsession and love with precious little backup in case a random delivery van took him out one day (we never know when that walk across the street will be our last - lol) was not good for anything other than as a hobby/curiosity.
Zorin is... I'd call it barely viable for mainstream use at 7 employees. Still, far better than 1 or 2 like many smaller distros. My main complaint with almost all distros is that they are still in the "free" camp, which is, if I am playing for an OS, I fully expect them to pay for the licenses to use the official drivers and APIs what Windows developers do so that emulation and mouse input and all the rest works perfectly. It's a few cents here and there in the price of a typical piece of software (per copy), but it's also why, as an example, everyone in a business environment uses Parallels on Mac instead of some kludgy "free" emulator. In fact, I think it's the main reason Linux in general hasn't caught on. They cling to that "free or die" mentality like a Libertarian prepper rather than run a business. That Nvidia driver nonsense? Pay to use the official ones like Zorin did. Can you use Nvidia's official drivers? Absolutely. For a nominal fee like every other developer. DUH. Oh, look, stuff doesn't crash or go wonky!
Yes, it's a little money for the Pro version, but it's pretty clean from what I can see. And you DO get better stability and support for that price. Free only goes so far.
@@plektosgaming bro got a degree in yappvard university
LibreOffice is configured in Tabbed layout, which mimics MS office. Makes sense for a distro aimed at windows users, but it's a hassle to change the layout
Edit: changed "Ribbon" to "Tabbed" since that's what it's actually called, thanks terrydaktyllus1320 for telling me I'm wrong
"LibreOffice is configured in Ribbon layout"
Oh, it's you again, Mr. "Nobody in an office needs WINE".
Do you make a point of just posting stuff that is just plain wrong? There is NO ribbon layout in LibreOffice, there never has been.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Your comment helped me remember that it's actually called tabbed. Fixed, thanks!
@@HyperboidYou're welcome - the ribbon interface is complete and utter rubbish, that's why I know LibreOffice doesn't have it (fortunately).
The icon set is a fork of Papirus ;)
I liked it so much, I paid for the upgrade from 16 (which I also paid for).
You *PAID* for Linux??? Do please excuse me while I stick my head in my paper bin and laugh extremely loudly for a minute or two.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 lots of distros offer donation options, zorin instead chooses to have a paid pro version, more or less made for supporting the project
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I would have donated anyway.
@@RockawayCCWSorry, I still have my head in the bin laughing... it's going to be a while.
Why not support software that improves your life?
I certainly need to put Zorin on my list of distros to try!
Just a small correction DT, WINE is not an emulation layer, its name itself stands for "Wine is not an emulator". Instead, it is a PE to ELF translation layer and re-implementation of Windows APIs on Unix. I specify Unix here because it also exists for FreeBSD and macOS.
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In a strict meaning you're right. From my point of view it doesn't matter what they do behind the scenes. From user point of view it is an emulator. Every single app can be described in a way that nobody understands what they really do.
@@emem666 Saying Wine is an emulator, when it isn't, is a disservice to the people who want to know what it is; and not only that, by calling Wine an emulator, you're contributing to what you're saying you're against.
Wine is a framework that provides a Linux substrate bridged with Windows and works in most intended scenarios. The compiler guys call this IR, Intermediate Representations.
Either way and nevertheless, virtualizations and emulations are technical approaches to the same problem; just like hyper-visors.
All gaming distro's include Wine, as well as most Educational focused distro's, like LinuxFX. And also security oriented OS'es ship Wine by default, hardly without exception.
@@MsDuketown I didn't understand the comment. IR in compiler design is the internal representation which multiple frontends can emit and have a common backend. The GCC project and the LLVM projects are a good example of it, where in GCC, we have C, C++, Ada, D language frontends emitting the same IR which gets compiled to different architecture specific binaries by different backends. The same exists in Clang as well as Apple's platforms.
What I meant by translation layer here is that WINE acts as a program loader and runtime linker assist, as Linux usually only understands how to load and link ELF binaries, not PE binaries. Technically both are different.
8:34 That's their version of the standard gnome layout
Zorin removed all the things people hated about GNOME and brought in line with Budgie and Cinnamon. The traditional desktop metaphor still works well for most people.
hilarious how baffled dt was by standard gnome
Great overview DT. Always great to see you my friend!
I use dark themes and I want everything to be dark so why use a light wallpaper thus no making it dark?
Right now my wallpaper is just a black screen
Contrast
Dark yellow can work well too
@@enkvadrat_ You definitely dont want contrast in the middle of the night and accidentally blind yourself.
chad
DT, you're funny. I agree with the others on color themes-it's a personal preference, but for me, using a dark theme across the board is a functional necessity. Reducing the light coming from my monitor helps maintain consistent eye dilation, which in turn reduces eye strain and mental fatigue. I find it much easier to focus with lower overall light emissions. A dark UI with a bright, snowy mountain background would be like staring at fluorescent lights above an office cubicle-definitely not something I could tolerate for long.
I have used Zorin OS 16 for a couple years and it has been consistently fast and solid. It just works (as the saying goes) for what I need. Crazy to think that Zorin is over 15 years old now.
Is Zorin getting more frequent updates now? I know they needed a long time to go from Zorin 16 to 17.
actually not, it's just the point release which means the enhancements are rather minor, and the new major version would still premiere a year after new Ubuntu LTS lol
Hey DT, thanks for reviewing beginners distros for us noobs.
If a beginner viewer likes this they will recommend it to their disillusioned Windows user friends and therefore spread the Linux love.
9:30 That background would look fantastic with Ubuntu Mate.
It feels way less "Windows-like" to KDE in many ways IMO. I do like that it has its own style despite making itself approachable to users. They also do a great job at supporting the public sector and enterprise clients, something you don't really get for desktop Linux outside of Ubuntu.
I initially dropped Zorin because I wanted something more bleeding edge (ironically I'm on KDE Neon now lol) but I do miss it. Maybe I'll make a jump across again :D
4:38 "this windows emulation layer"
applause-worthy trolling right there 👏
Also, I regularly use wine for playing random games I find on itch. But for office work, which I think was your point, WINE is just taking up space.
Will I get ban if I play genshin in wine??
Sometimes I think that if a lot more triple A game companies made games that worked in Linux natively, a lot more people would start using Linux as their default OS.
That's Valve's goal
the point of using dark mode is to avoid searing your eyes which would be pointless if you use a light background
$ sudo light -S 30
To be fair, modern light themes are kinda bad, Brodie did a great video about this
I prefer a dar wallpaper with a dark theme. As I use a dark theme to dim the desktop I dont then want a light wallpaper to burn my eyes again. I understand your point regards contrast. But for me darkening my desktop is to stop it from blinding me especially in a darkened room.
I really like this OS system. I am over windows at this point. It is fast and hope they get more functionality to the system.
Zorin Core got me to switch from Windows two years ago when I saw it wasn't ugly. Looking at you, Mint. It's like a commercial OS. Tried a dozen distros on Ventoy (VMs suck) but saw no reason to hop. I run it on a bunch of old quad core biz desktops that I get for almost nothing and add a cheap SSD. Staying with Chrome made switching easy. Zorin Core + Chrome is the ideal OS for normies. Like a more elegant Windows that doesn't nag, spy or refuse to install or a better Chrome OS that doesn't expire. Most people would be happy with Pinta for photo editing and Google Docs.
DT lookin like one of the characters on the classic game "guess who"
I believe the discussion is about computers, not the discussion host. So do try to keep up and stay on topic, there's a good chap.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 "Nooo, you can't talk about anything other than sports in a sports bar! Stay on topic!"
@@valiantviktorYou can talk about what you like, you just look a bit silly coming into a computer discussion and looking like you know nothing about computers.
For the record, I know nothing about sport - so I tend to drink in normal pubs, rather than sports bars anyway.
Well I generally theme my desktops around my wallpaper utilizing the various colors, as far as defaults go I am in complete agreement with you on the contrast point. I have put zorin on former Windows users laptops to great success and would recommend it, Even if I don't technical use it myself.
I installed Zorin on my Mother In Laws computer years and years ago. Completely trouble free and runs like a champ. Whereas I continuously have to be tech support for my parents all the time on windows, I never have to help my MOL. Just have chromium and writer on her desktop, done and done.
I had to switch to a Solid State hard drive before I could get Zorin to install.
Since then, it's been smooth sailing...
ZORIN is a grand slam!
7:00 it is changed to tabular user interface, you can use the standard toolbar if you want it look like default
fun fact: i used the dock mode in zorin os (the one in the appearances app) but i used dash to dock to
make the dock show on the desktop which is smort so u dont have to go to activities when you want to open another running app
10:00 your tastes are really strange. I mean who would apply a bright background in dark mode. Helpful video though.
Nice overview of Zorin OS. By the way the "G" is silent in gnome. 😁
The word gnome itself is like that but GNOME is officially pronounced as "Guh-nome"
@CommentNothingXD - Why would the G be pronounced?
@@Prizm44 Idk ask GNOME devs they always do some quirky stuff like not adapting new standards
We have mint on our home Laptop and i have Zorin on my work Laptop. Both work great.
I like dark wallpaper on dark mode or otherwise what’s the point of dark mode? Hate the glare in my eyes
I've had Zorin on my second laptop for years, but it's an older version that I don't want to update because I have so much on there (specific device drivers for older hardware peripheral etc and specific system-level command line installed stuff, a lot of which is not necessarily easy to source again now).
May be time to spin up a newer version though... But I'll have a lot of stuff to add again.
My main reason for having a Linux machine is because I work with a lot of devices and system that use file systems that Windows can't see and takes a lot of fiddling with VM's etc to do, where with Linux it's all just there.
It looks a lot like Garuda's latest. But being based on something most people use (ie - supported and easy to find fixes) looks like it has a lot of advantages. My gripe with Garuda for the 6 months I used it was it was unstable in the oddest places, like external USB support simply died permanently one day. Scanner is dead but the printer works. Sometimes my mouse simply gets jammed in games. Beautiful and easy to use, though. This looks like it might be worth a look. :)
I do like Zorin OS. I daily drive it in my back up laptop. I had to fix an issue. Evolution email. It stopped syncing. I couldn't get it to work. Some of the Zorin forums suggested deleting Evolution and using Thunderbird. I did. Problem solved.
Ah, good old Thunderbird. My only gripe is how it puts its email files in the most convoluted locations and importing old email profiles is a headache. But once working, it IS nice.
Zorin OS is the GNU/Linux Distro for Windows Users*
Thank me later
17.1 have a broken installer if you use propertiary Nvidia drivers. Nouveau works well. After install drivers from Nvidia are installed and work well
Fornlow power systems there is ZorinOS Lite as well, which runs on xcfe
Zorin OS lite is now dropped for one singular core version which consumes much less resources.
Thought it was KDE for a second there. This will appeal to PopOS users who don't embrace the Cosmic Desktop Alpha
'gnome' is pronounced 'nome'. The 'g' is silent. A gnome is a fantasy forest-dwelling small person, like one of the seven dwarfs in 'Snow White".
Zorin always looks nice. But am I missing something. What is new with this update? Seems all of this has been discussed before?
Zorin OS 17 is now based on Ubuntu 22.04 compared to Zorin OS 16 that was based on Ubuntu 20.04.
Zorin is great, my daily driver. BUT you need that Windows compatibility - you can't escape from it. For example, if You want to play upper tier games (and I DO) you'll have to install Proton with Steam; no tweaks needed but with proprietary video driver. Also, some apps for Linux just don't exist or are too expensive, like PDF editors.
In addition, I listen music on Hi-fi system and sound quality is very important for me, so I tested several live Linux distros and Zorin won.
I also use lighter wallpapers for dark themes!!! 100% agreed
I had a look at Zorin 16 and am using it for a daily driver. It's not bad ... its a tarted up Ubuntu. The wine is pretty useless but it always was. I don't like seeing so much remote connection sofware on it as such things are a boon for scammers but that's another story. I put on Zorin 17 but that is more like a tarted up Ubuntu than Zorin 16. I thought 16 was better so I reinstalled 16. If I want Ubuntu I will just install 24.04 when it comes but the 16 is not too shabby as a daily driver.
is zorin os a secure linux? respect the user's privacy. did the corporation create it?
I am not sure that you mentioned it but did you notice that the default mountain background evolves within the hour of the day?
That applied in Zorin OS 16. Since v17, there's only the choice between light and dark.
Microsoft's gross mismanagement of attempting to force Win11 onto the world (and me) has finally pushed me into finding an acceptable linux option. Zorin looks promising. Thanks for the vid.
This comment will probably be unanswered but I'm curious. Why do all versions of linux come with excuses, I've never seen anything really solid, it's been decades now and I never found anything to jump ship. I'm very eager to leave Windows but all versions I've seen have garbage utility and convenience, there must be something I'm missing right? Please educate me and tell me a good one that will not blow up my speakers and make me go into command line to change a simple setting, something I can play games with, ALL games and not kill 20% of my fps.
If you want to play games occasionally, Linux can do it but it's not for that, if you play games most of your time then stick to windows. People just love to influence others to be like them. Every OS has its uses. Linux is for development and general use. Windows is for games and software like (Adobe and autodesk), even though there are alternatives on Linux, they're shit. Mac is for video editing and iOS development.
I am a Linux user for 5 years now btw, and it is NOT for everyone.
dt, please make a video on how to to use kde + hyprland or qtile for the window manager instead of kwin. Meaning all the services of kde and hyprland or qtile as window manager in wayland same session.
nice hair!
Very nice light theme.
looks good
Loved it
When I left Windows a week or so go, I purposely chose the distros which looked different from Windows
I just bought a Zorin 17 disk off eBay, but it seems to be hanging up during the install. It is a 64 bit disk but I have an older computer that I'm trying to install it on. Is that why it's hanging up during the install. I was thinking my older computer isn't compatible with my computer.
Some old computers are indeed too old. My motherboard is barely modern enough to run it, but it can. Mind you, it's a LGA1155 processor, so.. how old IS your computer?
That said (I'm sure you fixed it by now, but in case someone else reads this who needs help) , I would put a downloaded copy on a flash drive and try to install it that way. Many distros are... they may or may not play well with older tech like a CD/DVD drive.
@@plektosgaming I bought another disk and I have the computer up and running. I added another 4 port USB card in it and I have the cable now to power it but haven't had time to do anything with it because my sister has been in a nursing home for a couple of weeks and I just haven't taken the time to hook the cable to the card and the pwr supply. I still have to learn to use Linux but that's going to take a lot more time as I'm a newby. I'm not sure how old my computer is. I'd have to look it up and see. I think it's probably about 8 to 10 years old, maybe older.
@@magoolew5131 The oldest I could get to work with modern distros was generally an i5/i7 and newer. So from a technical standpoint, anything that generation or newer should be fine. Getting Linux to run was difficult on the newer (2018+) HP desktops. Dell were even more finicky. But we did like the HP 8300 series. (right before the G series came out) Solid little boxes if you got the i7. Cheap now as they aren't playing well with W11, but perfect for Linux if you just want an all in one box and don't game much.
Zorin is my go to distro.
IMO Zorin OS is a modern version of Linux Mint.
which is weird since Mint is more modern
@@mihairomulus2488 Not sure about that, the UI is very antiquated. It looks roughly the same as it did 10 years ago except that the skin is more modern. The icon set for example still looks like something from 2013.
@@Dunestorm333 that's all default stuff, it's Linux you can literally right click to change that
the UI is very clean, intuitive and complete, just because it doesn't have a glossy look that doesn't mean it's bad, it's a very practical and efficient UI
@@Dunestorm333 under the hood Mint is more modern than Zorin especially now with the Edge version
I've always had and maintained Zorin. My one major issue is that it is EASILY hacked and their "firewall" is nearly useless; otherwise I love it!
which would be the safest alternative, then?
can you elaborate?
Thats not a Mac OS layout. Its a gnome layout. Mac OS layout with dock is only Pro version and its nice
"windows emulation layer that is Wine"
:D two different contradicting statements in one sentence
They are using papyrus icon set 1:40
Was just wandering what distro should I install in my parents laptop, they are used to them, but they wont be capable of running w11, so they want me to "fix them". Thanks for the review DT
My advice to any newbie is the same - start with Linux Mint or Ubuntu, and go from there.
Mint or Zorin install easily, run and update without command line, and are an easy transition from Windows. My parents loved them. Less hassle than Windows!
I'd recommend Mint Cinnamon to most Windows users.
I don't know how you still think most Linux users don't use Wine. There are tons of Linux users that play games. And if you play games that are not on Steam using Proton you need Wine to play those games. Either manually installing older games and games from places like GOG or using Lutris or other tools (for those who NEED a gui to feel comfy) but either way I'll bet your there are thousands more than you think using Wine to play games. And Wine plays 100's of games pretty flawlessly these days.
Linux mint>>>>>>>>>>zorin os
Yes tbh I do not see the point of buying zorin os when Linux mint exist
@@Aotosenpai Well, for one, it doesn't look like a teenage girl designed the logo.
FreeDOS > Zorin
@@DxBlack that's a dealbreaker?
Mint is my favorite but do we really need this shit ass discussion? There's an audience for Zorin that clearly likes it so let's not be elitistic here.
I use last stable Deepin because was little better than zorin. But i like zorin to. Manjaro kde was before my best distro, but stop function after last update! I try to download the last version, but same problem.
Dark theme should always have a dark wallpaper. You use a dark theme so you don't burn your eyes. You are wrong.
Flameshot is not working.
I never used Ubuntu, and I don't know why, but I don't like Ubuntu.
8:27
I think you meant Windows 11. :3
awwwwww. It is Gnome based. I sadly dont vibe with that and KDE6's new feature to full screen every windowed game in windowed mode instead of needing gamescope to do that is just too good.
I wish I could get Windows 7 or XP to run on my Ryzen 7950x with 128gb
I would dwmp Windows 10 in a heartbeat. Never running 11. Linux still isn't there yet.
Which leaves me in a pickle of using Windows 10 for the next 20 years or as long as I can hold out.
I had it dual booting to Zorin 16 but that install went pear shaped on me and things started breaking. The software installer and package manager just was creating a big mess of things that didn't work.
Zorin won't install either under Windows 10 VM, or I'd give it another chance.
$25 for a 256GB SSD. That was my solution. Zorin is nice. If you game and don't care about more than basic productivity, Garuda or other gaming-focused distros. Try some, find what works, boot back to your old OS if you need to.
I went back to zorin after kubuntu but its freezes a lot, booting is slow.
Then don't use it
That lines up with my experience with Zorin OS 9, 10, 11, 15 that led me to distro hopping until I somewhat settled on Xubuntu at some point then Linux Mint since about 2020
@@NotMienai He shared his experience. If that bothers you, then just ignore it. No need to make annoying comments.
@@ordinarryalienSo you want him to come to you to check that his comments meet your "editorial standards" before he posts them? And who are you to tell anyone else what they should and shouldn't post here?
@@abunk8691 Zorin Lite was my first Linux distro, I had wonderful experience, I had no problem to getting any work done. Later I tried Lubuntu, Q4OS, Ubuntu mate, Kubuntu. They gave me my fair share of headache. So I came back to Zorin , and add a kde plasma de, so I can get my work done. It went well for a month. Then kde started to cause problem, ditch that too. Started using Zorin only, it booted slow, but it ran smooth. Just when the latest comp update arrived it started causing problem.
KDE Plasma is good and free.
I have an eye cataract. I cannot stand bright screens anymore. That's why my dark themes never have bright wallpapers. It's terrible overall :/
sometimes themes and wallpapers aren't soft enough on the eyes
I was expecting/hoping a more win-app friendly OS without so much Linux.. Make an OS that only plays games (remember G-dos?) you can boot out and in with.. boom,.. billion bucks.
Do a nixos series
You mean "Pick 'n' NixOS" - the immutable distro designed to keep users away from their own stupidity?
As an old bloke, I remember a time when we just used to "sit down and learn stuff", make the make occasional mistake, be a bit embarrassed, then laugh it off and learn from the experience.
Nowadays, kids are so afraid of making mistakes and rely on someone else to protect them from their own ignornance - which can be overcome with time and effort.
We all came into this world knowing nothing.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 what? you don't want to make mistakes on production systems
@@user-up4wj9vi3w I've no idea what point you think you are making here - and, to be honest, I care even less, Nix-boy.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 i hate nix more than you, you need to realise some places can't afford "mistakes"
Stables not Xposures
Why are there rocks and hamburger menus on my screen?
Are these people serious?
So it can't run Windows applications out of the box. What's the point then. I've got to run Sony Vegas.
I bet Windows Network file sharing don't run right out of the box either.
Can someone tell me thag will i get ban if i play genshin in wine
Thinking of moving to linux from windows. cant be speding months on debloating win 11 22h2 then microsoft releases new version with even more crapware spyware and now 24h2 making pics of my desktop every few secs, good bye microscamsoft, Zorin OS looks promising.
It's relatively slow installed on an old laptop
Each edition of Zorin OS (Pro, Core and Education) is also available in a light version that runs better on older hardware. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorin_OS#Editions
I purchased this distribution
Why? There are better and free distributions out there.
@@xiondFirst Maybe he wanted the OSX theme, which is part of their paid version.
@@xiondFirst which distro do you recommend?
@@alonzosmith6189 I personally use Debian.
@@EugeniaLoli yeah but you can make any Linux look like anything. You just gotta install the right desktop in Linux.
Tried ot on a surface pro 4. Not impressed. Back to mint.
4qos the best distro for ex windows user
the least you could do is buy that ISO man. you know you're going to make money from this video using their program and name. it's not just you, all the Linux TH-camrs do the same thing. sad thing really
Oh shut up.
Get off the soap box grandma. Why would he buy something he's not going to use? He ain't leaving Arch any time soon.
hear me out brother 😅 it's not about using it, its about supporting the team behind it. I mean he's making money of the video the least he can do is give them 45$
if the guy was making wild profit from the video it's a good point, but with 38k views he's going to be in the hole for years
im sure the guys at zorin appreciate the review, it's great publicity and the more people that take the plunge from windows to linux the better
I need Lutris (has Wine) for some games.
98% of my games run as-is via Proton. Highly recommended. Oh, and the Heroic Games launcher as well if you have those accounts. But Wine - hasn't been touched in years.
steam/proton usually works perfectly - valve have done an amazing job over the years, the argument that windows is necessary for gaming is largely dead imho
but Lutris is useful for other crappy launchers like origin, ea, ubisoft, etc
Hey /g/uys
MONGOLIAN BASKET WEAVING FORUM REFERENCE? KINOOOOOOOO!
/g/entlemen
Naaah. It doesn't look very modern. And the theme... I like black panel and white windows... you can't do that in Zorin.
Try Oreon Linux!
Why don't you try it and give us a review? I don't take orders from strangers on the Internet.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I daily drive it. Also you aren't the channel owner.
@@bottlerat2318So I have to be the channel owner to reply to your comments? How does that work then? Did you ask the channel owner if you could post your comment in the first place?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 no no that’s not what I meant at all and I’m not trying to be rude. I meant you aren’t the one making the videos for this channel so i wouldn’t see why you would decline a suggestion.
>gnome
i'll pass
@@IuseArchbtw-di6cdThat's a bit like ordering the "Olive Pizza" and picking off the olives before you eat it because you don't like olives - as opposed to just ordering a pizza without olives in the first place.
Arch is poor man's Gentoo, BTW.
@@IuseArchbtw-di6cdWhile you clearly weren't learning anything about how Gentoo works, I was completely ignoring Chromium on my myriads of Gentoo PCs in my workshop and instead installing *firefox-bin* as a package, which, as the name would suggest, requires no compilation whatsoever.
Next point from you about Gentoo that I can also completely smash into smithereens, sonny?
kek
@@valiantviktorSorry, is that noise supposed to be you clearing your throat or something? Is that something you have to write down here? Can you not just make the noise behind your computer screen quietly?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 kek do they really talk like this
this mf said he was stepping away... such a lair..
Ah, you poor little man... has nobody showed you how to open a different site in your browser or turn off your PC so you don't have to watch "bad" Mr. DT?
He said he was just taking a few weeks off then coming back. That was 2 months ago.
@@CompactDisc_700MBI think His Majesty The Original Poster clearly feels that he should have been kept informed.
Has anyone been over to puff up the cushions on his throne yet? Or cut his dinner up into bite-sized pieces?
Never understood the point of this, if you want to use Windows then use windows, Linux isnt anything like Windows and attempting to make it act like it just sounds like unnecessary confusion
Can you not imagine scenarios? 50 year old man. A Linux admin as his job. Has a mother of 80 living on her own on the other side of the country who never needed to use a computer for her job. She only needs a computer for a browser for email and something like internet banking. Her 50 year old son is tired of getting calls from mum saying her Windows laptop is playing up again. The son knows it's because of Windows. Xmas comes and the son goes to stay with mum for a couple of weeks. During that time the son shows his mum this Zorin OS on another laptop and his mum gets to grip with it quickly and likes it. The son leaves his mum the laptop but also leaves mum with her Windows laptop. Over the next few months mum transitions from Windows to Zorin and is perfectly happy with it. Something that might of helped with this transition is because parts of it are like Windows. Take away from this is that the world is made up of people who have had a very different life experience to you and me. And if it wasn't for the mums of the world then none of us would be here.
@@MrJakeTuckerTo be fair, that's a very SPECIFIC scenario... the chances are that the OP doesn't fit in that category anyway (by probability alone) so what point do you think that you have actually made here?
Well.. the thing is, that Windows shamelessly copied everyone else. There are elements of Windows 3.11 that copied Amiga and Atari 16 bit OSs, Apple, and others. And so on until Windows 7, where it started to look different - but still a fancy shell on top of crap code. So, design elements are just that - and good ones are not OS specific. So I feel no shame in taking the best from everything and making it actually work well. That was the problem with Linux for more than a decade. It was honestly kludgy and harder to use than my old Apple IIGS on a normal day. Changes like this are absolutely necessary if you want to gain wider acceptance.