Pogačar In Trouble on Mont Ventoux | Tour de France Stage 11 2021 | Lanterne Rouge x Le Col Recap
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- In this episode Lanterne Rouge and Benji Naesen recap Stage 11 of the Tour de France 2021, one of the hardest mountain stages we've seen so far from Sorgues to Malaucène featuring two Mount Ventoux climbs.
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Climby-Sprinty boy of the day: Van Aert
Climby-Sprinty-TT-OneWeekGC boy of the the year
Colbrelli must have been really inspiring for him!
"Climby-Sprinty"- love that description lol
"O'connor was still in second at the time, and could still be at the end we haven't gotten to that yet" - smooth save
Shout out to LR for predicting a Vingegaard podium about a week ago.
Petition to bring back Mountain-top-finishes!
Yep agreed. Felt like an anti climax today finishing after the descent, and so unfair on Jonas.
Yep it basically favors the less good climbers so they can group-up and catch the fastest climber on the downhill!
Competing with Cav on one stage, winning Ventoux the next stage. Amazing
Wout Van Aert doing Wout Van Aert things. Wowt!
Me : Mom can i have Roglic dropping Pogacar on the Ventoux
Mom : We have Roglic dropping Pogacar on the Ventoux at home
Roglic dropping Pogacar on the Ventoux at home : 14:14
lol but also it wasnt janky! dropped him proper!
@@skyscraper5910 yeah i agree i just wanted to go for the meme. That was a great ride by Vingegaard
OMG the Le Col shout-out for Vingegaard.....you guys are the best
Just came here from spotify to say that WvA is unbelievable, reminds me of the Jumbo Ad where he does everything in the team
Congrats Benji on the bet win !
Great stuff. The real news here is that today's stage was simply Wout's first shot in the war for Polka Dots.
Everyone: The Ventoux is the hardest climb in France, it is impossible to make it insignificant.
ASO: Hold my Roadbook
Pierre Roland: *surprised Pikachu face*
Riders are selected for being strong, not intelligence or even literate 😆
Trust me: Jonas does not need sherpas...he climbs well alone, like Uran. Save Sepp for week 3. Jonas needs teammates on stages like yesterday.
Wout can probably go for the Polka dot now lol.
only 8 points behind!
And green too, if they can force the sprinters OTL
Re: whether WVA should have been pulled back to help Jonas: Nope. The team desperately needed the morale boost and party that Wout's win provided today, especially with the loss of Tony Martin. It'll boost Jonas as well.
Yes because wout loses a sprint against mollema and elissonde. Right.... Was a very risky one....
Thanks. My two pence is that having won his stage WVA will switch to being super-domestique for JV
I simp Benji
what?
😘 - Benji
I was going to say I simp baby yoda, but then I remembered the whole ‘baby’ part
@@FunkensteinsMeunster you mean the rat thing
@@Yes-sc1pb you have just insulted the LRCP Mascotte
Having a relisten while trying to figure out how transparent colors and HSV color space. Amazing pod which needs to to sit in your always available archive
Tough times for Tony Martin - gets hit by a fan, falls a bunch, but gets up ... only to end the Tour a week later in a ditch and with a few missing teeth :(
Didn't he crash out in Paris-Nice too?
6 years ago today Martin won a stage at the TdF breaking away solo with 3k left and holding off a charging group with Sagan to go into yellow. This is a !$%@! hard race!
oh noooo
@@ckaarchitect
I remember that stage, I was baffled with Tony's performance
@@ckaarchitect was that the year/stage he won on someone else’s bike? Or was that some other stage
Woutstanding!!!
WoutFanGirl takes notice: Benji's 🇧🇪 displayed. Cartwheels in my living room as Wout takes the MOUNTAIN win!!❤!❤! I'll see you in St Emillion, Wout!
Climby sprinty boi galore these days
Can we get some LRCP cycling kit? Maybe together with Le Col we could get a custom LRCP design.
that would be so awesome actually
the only ad-kit that i would wear
People ask for this stuff and never buy it. It's a terrible way to fan boi.
@@jetmech9287 I think the problem is that fan boi kit is typically not good quality.
I'd be interested, depending on how it turns out. I believe these two can come up with something good though
@@MegaGaryBusey i mean i‘m pretty sure that they can make a clean design
so it doesn‘t look like a intermarché kit🥴😂
@13:45 SMOOVE Criminal B drops a softball hint for everyone’s favorite show partner, Le Col:)
Post race with you guys is usually better than than race:)
Well Luke Rowe and Tony Martin leave the tour on the same day again...
Maybe they’ll do a joint video again too 😂
I think J.A. went early to get max sprint points (to keep them from any of Cav's Green jersey competitors). At that point (after getting the Sprint pts), he simply continued his normal aggression - to see if it would work for him - Climber points were good motivational goals.
Pogicar is a throwback real racer thankfully.. not willing to rely on others to win him the tour
Sepp is still saving his legs... Don't know what for, but I've been saying this every race. lol
Should peak just in time for the off season
Vingegaard said he wasn’t full sending the descent in an interview
With no live telecast/GCN racing available in Canada it's such a relief to be able to listen to your show, which is always informative. Good job
VPN?
If you can get Peacock t.v., an online service from NBC. It's there
Wva got his Tirreno 2021/TDF 2020 3th week legs lets goo
1) the Mt. Ventoux Challenge winner took 14´ on todays stage ?!?
2) INEOS tactics gets stranger day by day
3) Jonas V. should really think about the LeCol kit - loosing 30 seconds in the descent !
Or he just dont want to risk his life on saving 10 seconds by descending at 100 km/h
Some eyebrow raising tactics today, but it sure keeps it interesting.
Jonas- great ride. Can't wait to see the next few stages. So strong; what could he do with a team around him? I know it's been a rough tour for them and now Tony Martin us out.
Wout-fantastic win. So glad to see that.
Benji- congrats on the bet win. (Classy move, too)
This TDF is nothing as I expected and my velogame shows it. 🤣
I think Pog's natural instinct is to chase down anyone. But I'm sure his DS pointed out that he didn't have to. No matter how gifted you are, this IS the Tour de France and everyone has to conserve their resources whenever they can.
Loving the Belgian flag boys! Great spectacle today from some incredible athletes!
Porte Helping O'Connor for awhile after he had dropped off on the second ascent when he was one of the people pulling up front to gap him and others was class
Yet not very loyal team-wise. He's literally pulling O'Connor against Carapaz there. 🙈 - Benji
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Yeah, but that's more good bloke points in the bank. It means that people like Wout and Dumoulin will help him in return, as they did when he had a puncture on the gravel section last year. Riders notice things like that and will return the favour when they can.
I think that Pogačar did not crack, he was playing his competitors and making them go against each other. He might have been laughing when he got ordered by the DC to go back to the GC group. That is how it ended up being in the end of the stage. Status quo.
I see it as pogacar doing just the same thing as he did last year; expending the least amount of energy for every stage. He literally did not chase jonas vingegaard because he would use less energy sitting with the two others.
It really helps when he has kind people like ineos that rides as if they have the strongest rider basicially letting everyone chill behind their train
@@soundrkappa7763 It makes sense. I just remembered the moment when he was dropping by Jonas and he was laughing. That is not a normal drop. Even though I said this I think Jonas can go in Yellow.
Pogacar definitely cracked. Do you think he was faking his facial expressions? Why did he start pedaling squares?
@@milandavidovic5723 yeah, I am also a fan of Jonas, shame jumbo visma has been very unfortunate this tour
@@mightymaniac8712 Well he did not get dropped by the people who are going for top 5 GC. He made it soo that is is status quo, which suits him.
Free Kwiato! What a ride from him today!!
Yeah, what palmares could he have if he had chosen to have a career.
I said that Cav will win 3 stages if you remember. But I am pretty sure he will even have 4 to five stages in this tour.
It is going to be really interesting to see Vingegaard trying to take 2nd place on gc.
Agree
What a TdF! Now a former sprinter wins one of the hardest mountain stages of this years edition. Are we just witnessing few of the greatest talents in cycling or are the 90s back?
Not a former sprinter. He is a current sprinter. I wouldn't write him off for a sprint win in the coming week.
He will also be the favorite for the TT.
Merx from the 90s?
@@VaibhavTipnis That is indeed true. I just wanted to say that in his early days, he was only a sprinter/classics guy and now he's climbing the high mountains better than the 50kg guys, while still competing with Cav in a mass sprint. While everyone is discussing if Pogacar is on some juice, why nobody suspicious with WvA and those other crazy performances we see?
@@JWST19 I'm not really on the Pogacar is on juice conspiracy. I believe the cold-wet weather suiting Pogacar made him even more dominant than he otherwise is. But yeah, you're right, Wout's performance was at least as incredible if not more than Pogacar's.
What a champion! 3rd in a mass sprint (I doubted him there and was wrong) and a day later 1st on a double Ventoux stage.
Will WVA finish in the top10 of GC by accident? ;-)
Second in the sprint
@@epincion Of course, sorry. But 2nd or 3rd, doesn't make much of a difference ;-)
Guys, don’t sleep on Andre Greipel
Ah germans
Movistar are only 9th in the team classification, and we‘re halfway through the tour. Now who am I going to laugh at on stage 21?
is there any chance of cross winds and echelons tomorrow?
Do INEOS think they have the yellow jersey with a five minute gap to second? Have they adopted Pogacar?
they've probably got plans to
How else are they going to put the rest of the podium contenders under pressure? Or do you just want UAE to set a 300w tempo
@@iminc5498 Attack. Don't pace Pogacar and all the other favourites with Carapaz.
@@fuzzybee3788 Pogacar has won...its not about him anymore
How jealous was Lanterne of Benji laying van Aert to win
btw porte was pacing oconnor a bit ... i thought it as strange but it was same time when kwiato was done so he was forcing others to pull instead of carapaz ... i thought carapaz was maybe waiting a bit because it was too long for him to attack
UAE needs to buy Ineos dinner tonight for pacing them all day
I think Kuss spent an extra week getting over trained.
wout needs to go to liege
Hey could you put some time stamps about specific topic
Fighting double Mont Ventoux be like 🥵🥴☠️
Congrats @woutvanaert what a stage win 👏.
Today the team saved me with all the water bottles, thanks guys @uae_team_emirates. This was Thadej Pogacar’s tweet after the stage. Class act.
Its unfortunate that the descent neutralized Vingegaard's attack.
Why aren’t the mountain top finishes?? So stupid
@@Sampsonoff Prudhomme was scared of 2016 crowd creating the chaos we know
Thought it was daft how hard Ala and Martin were sprinting for the points, was this some sort of Deceuninck vs ex-Deceuninck thing? I was expecting Alaphilippe to crack on Ventoux and sure enough...
Dont know why Ineos burned Rowe so early in the Tour... he did end up OTL
LMAO at your aero kit recs for Vingegaard, could Jumbo Visma had a soigneur sitting at the top with a couple of bidons full of lead weights (Le Col branded, of course) to put on Vingegaard's bike for the descent?
I myself am skeptical that Pogačar was really cracked there... as Vingegaard starts to accelerate away, when he is still only 4-5 bike lengths away, you see Pogačar checking over his shoulder as to where the Colombians are and realising he can chase back as a bunch on the descent... if life depended on it I am sure Pogačar would have chased back on to Vingegaard before the summit (though he said otherwise post-race and of course it makes for superior TV drama if he is a bit weak)
Stage design here is a bit interesting... why not make this a mountaintop finish? It would have made for a very different stage
AFA Olympics road race. It will be silly hot and humid there July-August in most of Japan is 35 degrees and 100% humidity, so whoever is good in the heat will take it
They needed have bottles with lead in them at the top
Honestly, pogačar desnt seem broken, he seemed like he just wanted to ride his pace(prolly got told to do so on the radio).
Jal
Pog soft pedaling after press conference
Pogacar was smart to dominate when the conditions suited him in the first week. Time is time, now all he has to do is not blow up when the conditions don't suit him
Lutsenko did such a great downhill with Kelderman in his wheel (not taking a turn once) and they kept the same distance to group Pog,Uran,Car.
Bora might have to give him a cut of Sagan's salary.
Lol we saw like 10s of their descebding so no idea what really happend there imo...
One year Van Aert should try to win both the green and the polka dot jersey (overall) XD
Why not win yellow jersey as well, while he is at it? ;-)
Seriously guys, when is that merch coming out? My mate's birthday is coming up and you can't expect me to get him anything other than a LRCP tee, can you?!
Wout is going for GC 100%. He even went for bonus seconds yesterday!
I think you’re joking but if not they’ve lost 3 riders and just let vingegaard expend a ton of energy so he’ll be useless as a domestique for atkeast the nex day or two I don’t see van aert trying for GC
@@balmorrablue3130 I was joking :) especially since he doesn’t have tony Martin to pace in the Pyrenees anymore!
the descent was wide and smooth, not technical at all it seemed, based on what I saw.
Potential riders for tomorrow's break: Mohorić, Cort, Eddy Boss. I'd send Asgreen if I was DQS' ds. Don't wanna pace all day IF the other sprinter teams are clever enough to send someone.
I've asked this before. Can someone explain me the benefits of the "sky train" move when one is NOT leading the race and don't clearly have the strongest rider??
I get that uae would do this. I get that jumbo would do this if roglic was there and did not crash. No sense for ineos to do it. The train just works if you're the leader AND if you have the strongest rider (maybe strongest tt guy from the gc contenders).
Well the guys did not explain another possibility. Lets say they bluffed and knew that Carapaz is not feeling great. You put all guys infront with steady pace so other teams think he will attack in that way GC guys are careful with attacks. I think it worked.
@@matejzeppo4823 so.. Ineos once had very string gc riders.
@@PedroPrego , Pogacar has already won this years Tour there is nothing to do about that. So it's all about that second podium place in Paris for Ineos. Today they managed to gain time on Gaudu, Martin, Mas, Lutsenko, Kelderman, Bilbao and O'Connor. Not to bad after all. Mark my words, Ineos will continue to play it this way, because Carapaz will need to gain time on Uran and Vingegaard also. Our Colombian and Danish friend both have a better TT then Carapaz.
You don't hear me say that this is the smartest way to play it, but at least they are trying something.
@@swissbiggy they did win some time and not lose other because the stage ended with a (stupid) downhill. But yeah, they played with the stage of course.
Lantern - why does the route describe the Bedouin Ventoux climb as a 15.8 km climb when the actual climb to the summit is 21kms (I did it yesterday). I am sure I am
Missing something.
Q. Have Ineos done a Movistar here?
A. Yep!
I think Pogačar was stopped by his team when Ineos stopped working and Vingegaard attacked.
Not relevant to this particular episode but in general, Marc Madiot should be listening to you two and defining his strategy on that basis - He needs it
Well, not me but... if I was somebody in that group with ... errr .... proper cycling apparel from Le Col
Unfortunately the course "cucked" Vingegaard's attack. That's why it should have been MTF.
Then he should have attacked earlier 🤷🏼♂️
It’s not like the route changed is it
Yo....what was that soda Lanterne was drinking?
I noticed yesterday Benji was being sneaky with the soda can too. (LR and Benji probably have a soft drink deal in the works)
Pogacar did the same mistake as Bernal did in the Giro. He got carried away when someone attacked him. Bernal was lucky, he got Martinez. if it finished on the top finish, Jonas would have gained time to Uran/Carapaz. And even if it's not much gain against Pogacar, Jonas has won morally. Also what's up with Pogaar sprint at the end for 4th place? Is that really necessary other than to show off he is still the boss?
no he probably thought there was bonas seconds 🤣
on the one hand they made a mistake, on the other hand is nice to see them race with such passion, bernal, pogacar, carapaz just like to race
definitely huge confident boost for vingegaard, he had never competed or beat those gc guys, and now he knows he can
Is this the end of the team sky/ineos era?
It does seem to be trending that way, indeed it seems to me that we're headed for a period of no all out dominant teams for a while
@@andrewzielinski8845 we are headed to 5 win streak of Tadej Pogacar
@@martinthemaverick6052 fair enough, but that is one superb rider not a dominant team such as Sky/Ineos, like in the question. I still think teams are not going to be so dominant for awhile
@@andrewzielinski8845 no way man. A couple of weeks ago they made everyone look like a joke at the Giro- albeit the GC at the giro was a joke. They will be much stronger with Bernal as their GC guy after he completes his rehab. Maybe bring some Italians and not emotionally send all of them to the giro?
@@super9super9super absolutely fair point, but do you look at the team now and have the same feeling every race that they are just a class apart? Having witnessed them in 2012, that was utter complete domination, a few times after that too, I see armour gaps now when I didn't then that's all I'm saying
Pog let Jonas go, he knew the columbians would work with him and reel Jonas back, Jonas needed to go away much eariler than he did to make the diff
Not quite the case!
Pog said post race that Vingegaard was just too strong on the last bit of the climb, and that he probably was affected a little bit of the heat.
URAN GOD
Click-bait title...Pogacar was never in any kind of trouble today.
van Aert's face vs O'Conner's face.
Did Benji buy a Lambo?
Kuss is shit in 2021 -
has he peaked for Vuelta ?
What do you mean peaking for Vuelta? Tour de France is a build up for Vuelta? He has fallen under pressure just because Americans mark every American rider that does well in 3 mountain stages the next Lance. Simple
Ahaha!VVA can beat not only the best sprinters but also the best lightweight climbers !
What kind of sunnies is grogu wearing?
In trouble? Really? Was just 30 seconds behind at the top, whule having a 5min gap overall to the guy from Visma. I feel like this was a just a decision by pogacat amd the team to just ease off a bit because he knew that if him, uran and carapaz got together they would have caught the guy ahead and with that pogacar would lisr way less energy than the jumbo visma rider who tried to create a gap
In the interview Pogacar said he blew up and it wasn’t a plan to let the wheel of Jonas go… I do think that Jonas was not attacking pogacar he was attacking Uran and Carapaz. Uran and Carapaz weren’t concerned about Pogacar either, he’s way ahead of them. Jonas, Uran, Carapaz were looking at each other, and Jonas attacked them. Still don’t understand why Pogacar had to chase.
@@super9super9super probably didnt want jonas to get closer to him in the standings
a) Best/worse thing ever to have Benji as a DS b) WTF is the Ineos plan? They ride like they are protecting yellow with having absolutely no-one close to it... I'm hoping that they think they can wear Pog down with daily efforts and wait for him to implode...
I think it looks like pogacar let vingegaard go, so he can at worst loose minimal time and gets to sit in a group of three saving energy down the descent
Na, he seemed really to struggle following him, i think he got scared to cook himself and then indeed thought that with the help of the others the time lost will be limited, and so paced to the summit
He sprinted for 4th at the finish, he’s not saving energy
i picked cobrelli to win ..
Should have finished at the summit. Totally neutralized all the hard work done to drop Pog.
They could have gone to chalet Reynard first time decended to bedoin and then finished up the final decent so that the spectators would go through malaucen to get to the summit but otherwise it's the money
I havent seen any trouble... no time lost to the top 10 riders
Half of top 10 lost time today
Cocacola? Wow....how classic?
Wow, the feigned exhaustion near the summit was almost believable. Haven’t seen such acting since Madonna in Shanghai Surprise! Obvious way to deflect the journos questions afterwards I suppose… he’s human after all. Well it seemed to fool the likes of Eurosport commentary team and half the cycling forums today ffs.
I disagree that Pogacar "cracked" today. I think he realized midway Vingegaard's attack that it wasn't his gap to close, and that he had enough of a gap to him in GC, but it was a choice. Form wise, he was perfect, he practically had to stop for Uran and Carapaz to get to him. Could've easily followed Vingegaard's wheel.
second :(
Alaphilippe is just not the player for big tours. This is clear for some time. Just doing stupid attacks and then when it metter he is out...
Porte pacing O'connor.... How stupid was that..
Both Australians
@@olliebassett105 yeah ik, but this is not world championships or Olympics. O'Connor is a direct competitor of Carapaz!
I know but seems the only explanation 🤷♂️
@@olliebassett105 yeah. That's why I said it was very stupid.
This Tour is the fishiest shit seen in years.
Wout all of 80kg's and 6"2 riding the best climbers off his wheel after coming second to the best sprinter the stage previous?
Ok... WTF?
Than this Vingegaard kid destroys Marco Plantani's and Lance's historical Jet Juice times up the mountain
WTF is going on?
Toxic
Stupid
Pogacar was smart to dominate when the conditions suited him in the first week. Time is time, now all he has to do is not blow up when the conditions don't suit him