Great pod as usual, just one suggestion I thought I'd raise for the weekly pods. How about a section at the end where you answer one/a few questions from the comments/from social media on the last weekly pod (could be anything e.g who is your favourite rider from ____ country?, what is Benji's favourite pastry?). Could be a nice way to increase engagement and also help fill time for when we reach the off season.
Imo, Lotto doesn't deserve the criticism. They could have just stayed with De Lie in the bunch but he was the only one able to follow Pog on the last attack, so Pog would've soloed to the victory. De Lie would've had a better finish, probably top 5 at least. Bling and Bini had a strong sprint but I think De Lie would be up there. But you can't criticize a team for trying to win. They tried to follow Pog and they were all cooked. They couldn't attack, because they didn't have the legs, and they tried to set a strong tempo to keep the peloton away and sprint with De Lie but the legs were gone, the peloton caught them and that was it. They did what they could but didn't have the legs
Dear Patrick and Benji, thanks for the great podcast as always. For your upcoming WC preview just a small note about the course you might want to consider: At 16km of the city circuit there is a section of 250m at 7.5% in the profile. But it actually ramps up to 18% (around 13% for 100m). Its too short i guess to make a difference but the entry from the downhill is tricky single file, and combined with the plateu and another ca 500m at 7-8% (also with a pinch up to 13%) and than straight into a long downhill, it might be an overlooked launching pad. Keep up the good work! greetings from zurich
Thanks for these weeklies. They keep me up-to-date when life interferes and I can't watch the actual races. I was able to go to Quebec and Montréal to watch in person! (Thankfully they are in driving distance.) What a great time!! Thanks for the podcast! I appreciate it even more now that I am a caregiver and can't view all races.
It's called an Appearance Fee. A top athlete can even DEMAND what is paid! Based on who the athlete is, the appearance fee can even be more than the 1st Prize amount!
I think this year Vuelta startlist could be good for next Giro. Otherwise Vingegaard againt UAE "superteam"expect Pogacar might be interesting or Pogacar. I think Pogacar and Vingegaard can have an agreement that they both do both courses and that be increase their status regarding entraitement.
Vingegaard to Giro only makes sense to me if they conclude that Pogi is just out if this world unbeatable, and they want to bag that "free" GC at Giro, and try their luck with rest advantage again vs Pogi at Vuelta.
I'm pretty sure Vingegaard at some point has said something like he would like to eventually try to go for the Giro, and the Vuelta, it doesn't all have to be about the TdF, that is not the only big stage race in cycling. But is it next year? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is pure speculation, he has been at home with family for a while now, and just very recently got his second child, so I doubt he has shown up for any interviews in the last few weeks.
I have heard you guys countless times mentioning that Primoz racing is boring, what I would like to know is that you think the way Pogi or Jonas racing isn't boring? GP Montreal for instance, he solo'ed the last 22 km. Strada Bianche 2024 he solo'ed god knows the last 80 km?! Likewise, Jonas and Remco win mostly in a similar fashion. In my humble opinion, Primoz racing is way more exciting that these guys. 🤷♂️
Roglic loves to win a race by outsprinting guys on the last meters on an uphill finish an getting bonification seconds for it and to rely on his good ITT abilties(Bonifications and ITT ably to GCs otherwise its just outsprinting at the end). So basically the GC version of an pure bunch sprinter which wants to have everything controlled until the very last meters where he can show his ability. Remco and Pogacar attack whenever they see on good chance to make an difference. For me the best stage of this years Tour de France was the Gravel stage because it had the most GC action and felt the least predictible, due to Remco and Pogacars willingness to attack. Also their aggressive style of racing opens up the the race. GP Montreal for instance means an way more action after Pogis attack (Alaphilippe,Bilbao,Jorgensen+Aranburu/ Jorgensen dropped, Bilbao dropping the 2 other guys, field catching Alaphilippe+Aranburu,attacks in the field to snatch 3rd place...). I prefer guys which are capable and willing to open races farther out.
@@adrianbuck8772 I agree with all you said except that by opening the race I believe you were referring to opening the race for the 2nd to 10th position 😬 TDF and Giro were so boring this year, especially their final week
@@torontocycling Off course i was referring to 2nd to 10th place. The only reason why the Vuelta was more exiting this year than the Tour or the Giro was that Roglic and his team had Ben O Connor getting 6 minutes in an break away so he had to get out of the out of his comfort zone and attack earlier.
@@jaspermeinema4830 Dont you think that this Vuelta (where he was forced to ride more aggressiv due to his gap to O Connor after O Connors break away) was more entaining than Roglic usuall tactic?
Didnt really like Montreal this year,too robotic, one team making it and one guy going nuts. I dont know about Pogacar.. either hes the most talented, or something's fishy, or both
Sorry but I hate it that we have to say "x-rider" is going to win worlds easily. I hate that, I want a race not a domination of a rider, I really hope Remco can compete or that there are more riders coming that can make it difficult for Pogacar, I don't want to watch a race if I know the winner before the start!
Benji's lack of Cyclocross knowledge showing once again. If he followed it he might have seen Thalita De Jong become World Champion for the Netherlands.
The folks from the LowLands raking in the medals at the European Championship. Meanwhile Belgium is not even glad with the Merlier win. They are only pissed at MvdP for not leading out Phillipsen, which whom they wanted to win. Who is Dutch of course like his father Adrie and Patrick, who is a honorary one.
? As a Belgian I'm extremely happy for Merlier to have won this, so deserved and I hope he gets to beat the best at the TDF next year. Most Belgians are glad for (always modest) Merlier and Philipsen has lost a lot of favor after his questionable sprints, endangering WVA, the most popular cyclist in belgium..
Your a fortune tell Patrick! LOL they cant afford $1 million to put on a world class sporting event? Now that's why Quebec and Montreal are the only races in North America. Our government will spend 22million to spruce up the park across from the start finish line, to look pretty for the world Championships in 2026. They are going to spend another $870 Million for the third new roof on the Olympic stadium. The first roof was built in 1987 for the 1976 Olympics. Those cities just don't know how to spend money! ( those dates aren't a typo)
I actually enjoyed the Giro more than La Vuelta this year idk. I don’t mind seeing a rider just have extreme power and do mind boggling things. Vuelta was okay, but I didn’t think it was that entertaining. We all knew Roglič was winning after the first rest day.
Oh thank goodness y'all are back! My YT algorithm was really getting weird.
Great pod as usual, just one suggestion I thought I'd raise for the weekly pods. How about a section at the end where you answer one/a few questions from the comments/from social media on the last weekly pod (could be anything e.g who is your favourite rider from ____ country?, what is Benji's favourite pastry?). Could be a nice way to increase engagement and also help fill time for when we reach the off season.
And perhaps a corrections/second opinion segment!
Imo, Lotto doesn't deserve the criticism. They could have just stayed with De Lie in the bunch but he was the only one able to follow Pog on the last attack, so Pog would've soloed to the victory. De Lie would've had a better finish, probably top 5 at least. Bling and Bini had a strong sprint but I think De Lie would be up there. But you can't criticize a team for trying to win. They tried to follow Pog and they were all cooked. They couldn't attack, because they didn't have the legs, and they tried to set a strong tempo to keep the peloton away and sprint with De Lie but the legs were gone, the peloton caught them and that was it. They did what they could but didn't have the legs
Dear Patrick and Benji, thanks for the great podcast as always. For your upcoming WC preview just a small note about the course you might want to consider:
At 16km of the city circuit there is a section of 250m at 7.5% in the profile. But it actually ramps up to 18% (around 13% for 100m). Its too short i guess to make a difference but the entry from the downhill is tricky single file, and combined with the plateu and another ca 500m at 7-8% (also with a pinch up to 13%) and than straight into a long downhill, it might be an overlooked launching pad.
Keep up the good work! greetings from zurich
Benji needs more mics
RIP Benji's collar.
Thanks for these weeklies. They keep me up-to-date when life interferes and I can't watch the actual races.
I was able to go to Quebec and Montréal to watch in person! (Thankfully they are in driving distance.) What a great time!!
Thanks for the podcast! I appreciate it even more now that I am a caregiver and can't view all races.
Likewise🤗
As a german from the border region i can confirm: Flemish and dutch people are the same 🤪
Agree with Patrick. If fear of crashing is keeping you from racing you should retire. (Exception for notoriously poorly organized races)
Exception for Roubaix as well.
I think the 3 Lotto Soudal riders were cooked, from following Pog.
Agreed. Trying to follow Pog uphill when you weigh like 12kg more... unbelievable effort from Die Lie. You only get maybe one of those per race.
The Remco Evenepoel erasure
why does patrick always romanticise hirschi 2020 level hahahah. no way his shape was better than than it was in the last 2 months
I would not call Mathieu not riding Lombardia skipping. He always has said that the chances of him winning that race are way too small.
they call him benji 2mics
The Giro helps off season tourism in Italy.
Sorry Benji….. but ordering a chicken ceasar salad at a kebab shop is a scandalous decision 😂. Why even go?
Pog ride had a big time gap in the giro but the same in the tour the tour was only goog the first week
Do it Vingo!
Do the Giro/Tour organizers pay teams or riders outright just to show up to certain races?
It's called an Appearance Fee. A top athlete can even DEMAND what is paid!
Based on who the athlete is, the appearance fee can even be more than the 1st Prize amount!
jokes besides: i would really like a sprinter, classics rider grand tour. something where MvdP and van Aert could fight for a win.
I think this year Vuelta startlist could be good for next Giro. Otherwise Vingegaard againt UAE "superteam"expect Pogacar might be interesting or Pogacar. I think Pogacar and Vingegaard can have an agreement that they both do both courses and that be increase their status regarding entraitement.
Que CERA CERA 😆
Does it make sense to use join cycling when I do not have a power meter or heart rate monitor?
Yeah man, just start biking. Power meter and heart rate monitor may improve training but aren’t necessary to cycle
Vingegaard to Giro only makes sense to me if they conclude that Pogi is just out if this world unbeatable, and they want to bag that "free" GC at Giro, and try their luck with rest advantage again vs Pogi at Vuelta.
I cant watch a full GT stage, but i can watch GP Quebec from start to finish. Seems fair Eurosport 🙃, but we take what we get
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I'm pretty sure Vingegaard at some point has said something like he would like to eventually try to go for the Giro, and the Vuelta, it doesn't all have to be about the TdF, that is not the only big stage race in cycling. But is it next year? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is pure speculation, he has been at home with family for a while now, and just very recently got his second child, so I doubt he has shown up for any interviews in the last few weeks.
He did the Vuelta last year
@@tonyg3091 Yes.
I have heard you guys countless times mentioning that Primoz racing is boring, what I would like to know is that you think the way Pogi or Jonas racing isn't boring? GP Montreal for instance, he solo'ed the last 22 km. Strada Bianche 2024 he solo'ed god knows the last 80 km?! Likewise, Jonas and Remco win mostly in a similar fashion.
In my humble opinion, Primoz racing is way more exciting that these guys. 🤷♂️
Roglic loves to win a race by outsprinting guys on the last meters on an uphill finish an getting bonification seconds for it and to rely on his good ITT abilties(Bonifications and ITT ably to GCs otherwise its just outsprinting at the end).
So basically the GC version of an pure bunch sprinter which wants to have everything controlled until the very last meters where he can show his ability.
Remco and Pogacar attack whenever they see on good chance to make an difference.
For me the best stage of this years Tour de France was the Gravel stage because it had the most GC action and felt the least predictible, due to Remco and Pogacars willingness to attack.
Also their aggressive style of racing opens up the the race. GP Montreal for instance means an way more action after Pogis attack (Alaphilippe,Bilbao,Jorgensen+Aranburu/ Jorgensen dropped, Bilbao dropping the 2 other guys, field catching Alaphilippe+Aranburu,attacks in the field to snatch 3rd place...).
I prefer guys which are capable and willing to open races farther out.
@@adrianbuck8772 I agree with all you said except that by opening the race I believe you were referring to opening the race for the 2nd to 10th position 😬 TDF and Giro were so boring this year, especially their final week
@@torontocycling Off course i was referring to 2nd to 10th place.
The only reason why the Vuelta was more exiting this year than the Tour or the Giro was that Roglic and his team had Ben O Connor getting 6 minutes in an break away so he had to get out of the out of his comfort zone and attack earlier.
Attacking riding is easy if you are in a league of your own.
@@jaspermeinema4830 Dont you think that this Vuelta (where he was forced to ride more aggressiv due to his gap to O Connor after O Connors break away) was more entaining than Roglic usuall tactic?
Didnt really like Montreal this year,too robotic, one team making it and one guy going nuts. I dont know about Pogacar.. either hes the most talented, or something's fishy, or both
How could Italy not make it for Milan ?!?
Got boxed in the bunch sprint. Finished 13th. It happens. Especially with an lead out which isnt what he usually has.
Sorry but I hate it that we have to say "x-rider" is going to win worlds easily. I hate that, I want a race not a domination of a rider, I really hope Remco can compete or that there are more riders coming that can make it difficult for Pogacar, I don't want to watch a race if I know the winner before the start!
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Benji's lack of Cyclocross knowledge showing once again. If he followed it he might have seen Thalita De Jong become World Champion for the Netherlands.
So Jonas takes his only chance of winning a GT next season I take it?
The folks from the LowLands raking in the medals at the European Championship. Meanwhile Belgium is not even glad with the Merlier win. They are only pissed at MvdP for not leading out Phillipsen, which whom they wanted to win. Who is Dutch of course like his father Adrie and Patrick, who is a honorary one.
? As a Belgian I'm extremely happy for Merlier to have won this, so deserved and I hope he gets to beat the best at the TDF next year. Most Belgians are glad for (always modest) Merlier and Philipsen has lost a lot of favor after his questionable sprints, endangering WVA, the most popular cyclist in belgium..
@@brechtvranckx6615I'm not Belgian but I despise anyone endangering WvA, and feel disappointed in Jasper Disaster and his dangerous behavior
I really wanted Philipsen to win - he'd missing some top speed this year but he'll be back in full force next season 🏆
@@gabrielmazza7923 some duels between Merlier and Philipsen at the tour should be godlike, both at full power ^^
thougt patrick said he tested seropositif in the intro
IMO the two Lotto should have attacked themselves not waiting for De Lie
Your a fortune tell Patrick!
LOL they cant afford $1 million to put on a world class sporting event? Now that's why Quebec and Montreal are the only races in North America. Our government will spend 22million to spruce up the park across from the start finish line, to look pretty for the world Championships in 2026. They are going to spend another $870 Million for the third new roof on the Olympic stadium. The first roof was built in 1987 for the 1976 Olympics. Those cities just don't know how to spend money! ( those dates aren't a typo)
Benji left the void
Just a quick reminder here. Vingegaard will never win a tour again if pog is not injured ever again.
I actually enjoyed the Giro more than La Vuelta this year idk. I don’t mind seeing a rider just have extreme power and do mind boggling things. Vuelta was okay, but I didn’t think it was that entertaining. We all knew Roglič was winning after the first rest day.