I bagged a couple of rare Retro Motors !
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- When was the last time you saw either of these old cars before?
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That logo would make a cool little project car. Can you imagine how much fun it would be with a 1.8 i-vtec engine, 6 speed transmission and suitable wheels and suspension.
That has to be one of the best Savanna's still left in the country. Only about 10 petrol manuals on the road in the UK.
I remember my neighbours having one of these when I was a kid in a really dark navy blue with blue velour seats. It seemed massive at the time and posh inside. Remember I was only a kid at the time haha. They took our family to the airport in it once. Don't think I've seen another on the road since!
Got a huge kick of nostalgia to see the Savanna. My dad has three in succession from the late 80s to the mid 90s so plenty of memories of long road trips - first two had the additional row of seats which meant grandparents came along for holidays in France (kids ended up in the back not grandparents of course!) In many ways I’d love to own one now but they’re like hens teeth and often those teeth are rotten. Thanks for sharing this one!
That car was always stylish, have not seen one for years, congrats to original owner and for you to have bought it to carry on. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks james most honest car dealer i’ve ever came across, much respect!!!
Very kind of you!
After I posted a video on my channel asking for display cars for my 3 car stand at the NEC Restoration Show, the Renault Savanna is the one that's coming! Thanks for finding the car, I bloomin' love it and can't wait to see it at the show...!
Mega cool isn't it! I always have an array of modern classics about
21's are a time machine car for me, my boss had a 2l petrol and a diesel - we went everywhere in those cars. Diesel was NA iirc, and deathly slow. You're right about the 1.7 being found in Volvo's, my Dad had a 480ES with the same lump. Great nostalgia content James, good work fella!
The first car I really grew up in was a 1989 Savanna which my parents kept until about 2000 and took us everywhere including to France several brilliant holidays. My mum and grandfather also went through some hatchback 21s including a 1.9D which was hilariously slow but economical. I loved the 21 - aux input and steering wheel controls, remote central locking…
Thanks for the memories
James, the 21 has Hubnut family vehicle written all over it!!
But it's not a Citroen...
had a 21 in the mid 90's . French electrics !!. Loved being pushed to start . Tried several dealers and lots of parts but no joy. changed it for Japanese reliability.
I started my apprenticeship in '96 at a former Renault dealer, and I saw precious few of these in anywhere near as nice a condition, and that was 25ish years ago!!!! And yes, the 1.7 did service for citroen and Volvo (3 series) among others......
Love the old Renault! Have a Renault 19 with 413k on it we're currently getting back on the road. 1 owner from new. Love it! 💪🏼
That Renault 21 looks a solid old car after it's had welding done and back on the road I'm sure Ian from hubnut will be wanting a drive lol . Was good it was saved and not crushed
Not keen on the Honda but that Renault 21 Savanna is gorgeous. Must be one of the best there is left 👍
A Renault Savanna being described as gorgeous?!
I'll bet it's super comfortable - seats you sit in not on, a rarity these days with the rock head slabs you get in modern cars. Hope you get it going without any problems. Great find!
That Honda Logo is fantastic, a neighbour has a red one, and they are a great run around.
The Renault was in mighty fine shape for it's age, what a find!
what a beautiful Renault & Honda! i also love these older cars.. Guy who restores these all the time is called Furious driving on TH-cam, he will have a lot of knowledge on these.
Yes know that channel
I owned a Savannah in the early 2000’s. I loved the cars looks, ride quality and practicability. Sadly as with yours it failed an MOT. Due to serious underbody rot on the subframe and sills . Regrettably I had to let it go as it wasn’t worth repairing. Good to see one again, I haven’t seen one in ages. Good luck with yours 👍
I had2 Renault 21 seven seater diesels, brilliant cars. Nice to see one that good.
I'd like to think that I'm quite a car fan but I can honestly say I have never seen either of these cars but they are both almost invisible as in they are both the most beige / vanilla cars ever so even if I have seen them they just aren't memorable. But saying that, these two are absolute beauties and cars aren't all about speed and being the best, they have personalities and I would love to spend time with both of them. Also loving the comment that when you have to streamline a push bike you know you're not driving a sports car. keep up the good work sir, cars aren't just metal and plastic they represent someone's dreams and aspirations.
Thank you!
Logo is a D13 B...from the Civic family... very simple....drove the standard auto version in Africa...very reliable...Honda quality at a base price.
Cheers
Engine was used in Volvo 440, 340 1.7 and obviously the Renault 5,9,11. Cam belt is 30 mins tops. Make a lovely whining noise.
I thought so cheers
That Logo is honestly a cracking car, had a manual as my 1st car which I ended up having for over 5 years until I bought. Something newer last year. Only thing it ever needed on an MOT the was the lamps to be cleaned, it’s a great runaround and a cracking cheap car for someone. My mechanics loved working on it whenever it was in the garage.
It looks quite quirky as a small car, one I'd secretly like to give a spin!
I owned a Savanna 2.0litre 7 seater 30 years ago. It was excellent family transport at the time and could seat my five children comfortably; indeed it was comfortable for adults too. Well don for securing a great find.
The Renault 21 was sold in the United States as the Renault/Eagle Medallion.
It came with a 2.2L paired with either a 5spd or 3spd auto.
My parents owned a station wagon version for almost twenty years.
Rust and lack of repair/maintenance parts eventually resigned it to the scrap yard.
It was an extremely comfortable car and although kind of slow once it got to highway cruising speed it was as comfortable and smooth riding as a Cadillac.
It was fairly reliable until about 100k miles and then it was failure after failure.
Everything from minor niggles to catastrophic mechanical failures.
A shame.
Once had a Volvo 340 and I’m sure they shared the same engine, it was very reliable
My mum replaces her Maestro with an L reg savanna in black. Two rear facing seats in the boot - one of the first 7 seaters available. Oh, the memories!!
Seems to be bringing back memories for a lot!
Yes Jams i had a Volvo 440 on a H plate with the 1.7 engine it nipey at the time.
Renault savanna I had 3 loved them my kids loved sitting in the 6th and 7th seat I had 2 met light blue and one the same colour you have there cracking cars a lot better than the modern Renaults of today
I had two R21 Savannahs, first was 1.7, second was a 1.9 diesel, great load lugger, used to move old furniture from UK to France and vice versa . I found them very reliable on the whole.
That Renault is beautiful, I understand why you've become attached to it!
the Renault 21 estate is a good find. sadly a rare if not almost forgot about these days.back then is was a replacement for the Renault 18. I used to work for a Renault dealership when the 21 was launched. and i have to say how impressed with the driving and handling. i would suggest you check the condition of the timing belt and replace. otherwise you fell on your feet with this one. once the work is done. and i can see this car not staying around for very long
Both have Somerset prefix plates.
I reckon the Renault was first registered at Kings of Taunton or the Renault dealers in Yeovil
I knew someone who had an early Clio. Nothing flash, but it went & stopped without issue. Failed it's MoT, so she was looking at scrapping it as her usual garage wanted £300 - for a single patch underneath! I suggested she tried a place near me. £70. This is why so many older cars get scrapped. Owners are none the wiser and some unscrupulous garages will always try their luck. Always get a second opinion & price.
My mum had a Renault 21 Savanna in blue! A seven-seat auto. Will be keeping an eye on that one...make it lovely, please!
😪you sold it already....
Yes sorry lol
Loving the little honda logo!! ❤️
As many have said, that 1.7 engine featured in Volvo 340s and 440s.
Erasure had a song about that car around 1990.
CVT is continuously variable transmission.
Luv the little Honda 👍🏾
Great to see the Logo being driven and put through her paces. Well done James!
James you’re beginning to worry me! Trouble is I’m the same they are both stunners. I’m so jealous!
What a lovely practical car those Savanna's were and when the under side gets done should live again
What a great find. The Renault 21 is just begging to be driven to the Festival of the Unexceptional this year, and maybe entered into the Concourse de la ordinaire. With the sills attended to and a good clean up, it would stand a good chance of winning. The Honda too is a cracking little find. What a fun household runabout it would make.
The 1721cc Renault engine was used in the 340 with a carb, the early 440, 460 & 480s used it with fuel injection. I remember having the engine in my 1988 480ES and it made 109hp.. when Volvo went all environmental an fitted cat's they had to use a 2.0litre version to maintain the power.
Man, I'm mad about Renault 21 Nevada. They are like unicorns nowadays, no exist!
Wow a lap belt in the middle at the back haven't seen that in a very long time.
My dad had a ‘H’ reg Volvo 440 1.7 turbo , same engine I’m sure & the Volvo 440 was heavily based on a Renault 19
Lovely, wheel Trims aren’t original the model is a gts 1.7 injection in Adriatic blue (454) I know I used to work Renault, it’s had a optional alarm fitted, check it’s not a family which is additional set of seats under the boot floor.
You look at images online and most of them have these trims so Im sure Renault ones
Yep they used the 1.7 in volvos to I sold a volvo 480 turbo last year I regret selling that nice finds
The Honda needs a K20 type R swop. Nice sleeper
Hi James ,
You owe it to the previous owner to find a good home for this one !
You can see this was the previous owners pride & joy and they cherished it ! Immaculate example ! Another great video once again btw 👍
My dad had a Renault 21 turbo. Gave sapphire cosworths and mg montego turbos a run for their money
Any bloke thats had a tough day day at work and feeling fed up just needs to watch James enthusing over a manky old car, great therapy yeah thanks.
lol!! There are only a few of us that are on the same page lol
Just look at the amount of glass, like driving a greenhouse! Had a green one back in 96...ah, the memories. I am talking about the Renault of course.
Had the same engine in my Renault 11 GTX was a great engine as long as properly serviced. Had an issue with crank sensors which caused them to stop running and not restart until cooled down. Easy fix and known for it
Looks like a fairly complicated engine at a glance lots of pipes and sensors all over the place.
Haven't seen one of them in years. Volvo 340 had the same engine and I think the Renault 5.
Engines are fairly bullet proof and yes used in the Volvo 400 series
I haven’t seen a Renault 21 Savanna in maybe 20 years👍😉💪
They used to stick those engines in the old Volvo 340
wow love that savanana!!
The Savannah's has got Hubnut written all over it
The R21 was sold with both transverse and longitudinal layouts. I think the 1.7 was the transverse the 2.1 was the longitudinal.
The 1.7 was featured in the 9,11 the Volvo 340 and the later 440's from memory
My sister had a Renault 5 GTX ' F713 YNW that had same engine , but with manual choke , and lots of fuel evaporation when trying to re-sart when hot as the engine was crammed in ..also had the brilliant Monotrace seats with Central seat runners so rear passengers could get their feet underneath the seats ..brilliant car
The 2.0 litre and later 2.1 were still front wheel drive with the longitudinal engine mounted over a transaxle gearbox.
@@michaelsandy3353 yes that’s right I had a 2.0 21 hatch in a Maroon colour, nice car but I skidded into a fallen tree and it was written off. I did here that the models with longitudinal engines had longer wings and bonnets to accommodate everything, only the French would such a thing.
@@davidmccready6471 There's an even better example of French eccentricity than that. I had a Peugeot 505 GTi estate which I liked a lot - front engine rear drive, based on the previous 504. I later discovered that the saloon version was front wheel drive with a transverse engine!
The 2-litre versions had their front wheels some 4" (10cm) further back -you could identify from distance if it was a 1.7 or 2.0. Front wing got very narrow down between the door and front wheel on the 2.0's. I remember reading about this somewhere and the reason for this strange set-up was that Renault didn't have strong enough gearbox available for transverse mounting of the 2.0 engine.
Older cars are so cool
One of very very few French cars I would love to own is a 21 savannah
My father in law had 2 Renault 21 Savanna 's he used it instead of a van for his plumbing business! Drove it myself very comfortable 👍
21's rev counter never left zero when you started it up...
Had a L reg ,same colour 2.0i GTX Nevada seven seater Great car , fast reliable estate with good fuel economy on long runs .
I have a feeling those early Renault 1.7 petrols were actually non-interference , I know you used to get away with cambelt failure on them if you were lucky!
Yes also fitted to Volvo's, 440 etc
Oh interesting, see makes so much sense, why would you design engine otherwise
@@ChopsGarage Technical splurge incoming!
So a lot of the older 8v engines, the valves used to be more flat against the head, and a close to 90 degree angle against the piston, therefore they are less likely (or impossible) to protrude into the area of the piston stroke. They have a larger combustion chamber and subsequently lower compression.
In contrast, newer 16v engines, 4 valves cannot fit flatly in the cylinder head so are installed at a 45 degree angle to the piston therefore will protrude into the stroke of the piston and allow contact between the two if the timing is incorrect. Not only this, the valves are strategically positioned to improve air flow in order to make the engine more efficient, this makes it difficult to remove the chance of pistons touching valves. As well as that, they have smaller combustion chambers to enable higher compression, again to improve performance and increase efficiency
Most modern 8v engines (diesels) are interference these days because the combustion chamber is within the piston and the cylinder head face is almost flat with no recess. Compared to older engines which the combustion chamber was a swirl pot, which changes the positioning of everything and subsequently makes them non-interference, or less likely at least.
Hope that helps and that I haven't bamboozled you! 😂
Nope all made sense bud, I figured the drive for efficiency was the reason. Same with electric isnt it, everything is viewed in the immediate efficiency not long term longevity.
CVT = 'Continuously Variable Transmission'
The 1.7 engine in the Renault was used in all sorts of Renaults 5, 9,11, 21, and the Volvo 340 and 440
I used to own a dark blue 7 seater one years ago and had the same issue with the window moldings bubbling up and I welded the sills and replaced the front subframe, Great car then I sold it to get a Peugeot 505 7 seater estate
Always very comfortable. Love them.
Cool eh
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Praise indeed! Many thanks
I’m glad you both safe.
My first car was a '89 Renault 19 TXE with the 1721cc, 92 PS I think, one of the first units... The engine was rubbish 😂 The carburettor melted somehow and it had to be rebuilt (apparently the engine wasn't designed for the R19 and that part of the engine bay was too warm for it), then, even doing all the services by the book, the accessories belt broke, getting in between the cambelt and the timing gear, jumping some teeth and the valves kissed the pistons. Apart from that, it consumed a lot. I don't know in mpg, but it was something like 9 litres/100 km on average... In the city it was more like 12 l/100km. But I think this engine was a Frankenstein, since in other cars it had injection, not a carburettor...
The Renault needs a Hubnut review in fact I think it needs to join the Hubnut fleet
Really want that Renault Savanna, used to have a red one and just loved 🥰 it. What a great car 🚙
The Savanna is brilliant. A bona fide practical modern classic.
Exactly
I had an E reg 21 2.0 gtx saloon back in the early 90’s loved that car wish I still had it now
The massive glass areas of the Renault seem at odds with today's safety conscious cars, with side airbags etc. Very nice condition for an oldie. The Honda Logo always reminded me of one of the earlier marks of Nissan Micra.... It's sure to be utterly dependable, if somewhat ordinary. But if ordinary and utterly dependable transport is what you're after, then your lucky day just arrived......
Love The Logo.
Cool eh
God that Renault is so beautiful
Haven't seen examples of those cars for years. Both of those cars are perfect candidates to be shown at the Festival of the Unexceptional. Simply lovely stuff there!
P.S. my previous comment that I deleted was actually for the Salvage Rebuild boys but somehow made it to your comment section. Sorry 😅
They were a lovely car well ahead of the rest at the time. Tried to buy one once but got fobbed off with a Volvo estate.
You either like French cars or you don’t. I have had 8 French cars over the years, the seats are just more comfortable than any other car, especially German ones!
The seven seat ones were well ahead of the game apart from Peugeot who also did a 7 seat estate.
Yes would of been nice if been the 7 seat
👍Loving both of them. Retro motoring 😁
What a brilliant video. As mentioned on Insta, I love that you found a blue Savanna just like the Erasure song. If you don't drive around pumping that out, you're missing a trick.
The Honda is a brilliant find. Rare, reliable and a small, cheap auto will find a home quickly, if it hasn't already
Got to love both of them, I remember seeing yellow ones quite commonly over the years. Not as many now unfortunately
I saw a yellow Logo in pictures, looks great
8:04 my dad used to have a 1989 (G reg) Volvo 440 which had that engine in.
The logo and savanna are amazing 👌🏻 what a pair of buys
Last time I saw a savannah was when my mate Martin smiths dad had one new in red and took me to scouts regularly. Can still remember the smell and it always being warm.
A lot of people have said similar things , a lot of nostalgia
renault 21 , cool
It's been a good day at Chops Garage! 👍
Yes it was!
That Renault 21 one is a dream car of mine….lovely….will wait to see if you sell it 😀😀😀
Sold it already pal, in fact sold it before I bought it lol
@@ChopsGarage noooooooooo 🥲
First thing I thought of seeing that was Blue Savanna by Erasure. 😂Spot who was a teenager in the 80's 😀😊
Those Savannas were proper workhorses. Hard to believe what absolute rubbish Renault ended up building in the 00s when their 90s stuff was absolutely bulletproof.
1721cc motor in 5/9/11 etc and Volvo 340 1.7
At 1st I thought I was watching Hub Nut channel but then the car started first time 😁
Crazy how you found this Renault when a few hours ago I ran across a rare estate car for sale 55 miles from here. What did I find? A 1987 Camry estate for $1,500. Like you I have a...passion(?) for older and uncommon cars. This one is a 2 liter petrol engine car that I assume has an automatic transmission. The outside of this car is " as new ", tho unfortunately some of the plastics of the interior are degraded, such as the cowling around the steering column. Not sure I really need 3 cars, even temporarily.
Buy it!
great content thankyou James,,loving the retro mix,,,💪🙏👌
Glad you enjoyed it
Depending on spec you could get top price for it with an MOT in full working order.
Great find James I love retro stuff and your saving a legend or I hope it’s saving, after seeing the whole video lol.