If you want something from the 90's that's a good all-rounder interesting and a bit different from the crowd I Suggest looking at the Renault safrane biturbo, they've got everything you're looking for in a classic car and more .
The most liberating feeling in the world is that wonderous moment when you realise as a motorist, that you just don't have to spend large amounts of money on a car to achieve pure enjoyment. The 'true' difference in driving a Datsun 510 (1600) or a Mazda RX3 versus a Lamborghini or Ferrari on your favourite backroad just isn't the vast chasm many may think. Great cars are great cars and they come in many different forms.
I wasn't a Mercedes fan either, but on a whim I imported a S124 E320 Final Edition from Japan at it's wonderfully solid, good to drive and calming (as JayEmm finds the car in this film).
Indeed and look at that interior. Simple, understated, elegant, hewn from rock. The modern stuff is incredibly chintzy with screens everywhere and vodka bar lighting.
The old "squarish" Mercedes S class and S coupe are infinitely more classy than the current brash models. Since the A/CLA they truly lost their reputation, it's become a chavs' brand.
Agreed, not a fan of the new Mercs especially the lower tier models (CLA, GLA, GLB, etc)... I've worked on them and they're plastic junk, not built to last like a Mercedes should be. And, the driving experience sucks. They drive exactly like a modern Nissan or Hyundai.... no steering feel, no road feel, the drive by wire throttle isn't responsive, basically nothing engaging about actually driving the car.... the new cars are just fancy plastic transportation boxes that completely insulate one from the driving experience. Totally a different experience from driving an older Benz.
@@theodoreyoung8777 Amazing car I worked for lexus Croydon when this came out. By far the best car of it's time. Nothing at any price to could touche it. Even better then the rolls royce in most ways. Now though it is much harder for lexus to beat the other brands. They have all caught up using the korean and Chinese smart tech. Trying to convince someone lexus is better now is a lot harder. Lexus have quality of course but that's it now. Before they were better in every way then the European competition
@@BobbyDeniroX Thanx for the info bro heard the Lexus at that time was just as quiet if not quieter than the Rolls Royce that’s another reason I’m never getting rid of mines 🤝😎
I'm 22 from the uk I own a 05 Ls430 as my daily I love it till i bottomed the rear the other week so I've just got my coilovers today so just waiting to fit them. I'll miss air ride but it is what it is. Engine & tranny is a smooth as silk 👌
@@r7coo They are also great cars of the ear, though they don't have the sense of occasion the Mercedes-Benz have. See they are hot hatches, I personally am a huge fan of lightweight and small cars. You can place them so well on the road and can actually get to enjoy most of the car. The Mercedes-Benz coupes of the era were about transcontinental journeys in great comfort and composure. They had a completely different road presence to the hot hatches and other cars on the road.
And this is the main reason I love your channel. Apart from my recent fuckery with TH-cam, it's content creators like you that keeps me watching. I might watch regular telly every so often, but, it can be boring and does not excite the mind. Whatever car you end up with, I hope you get the same enjoyment as driving a Ferrari. Stay safe and keep well.
Had the privilege of riding in that car (while my C2 was being filmed) and it's a wonderful thing. I had to decline the kind offer to drive it for fear of doing something to it! The owner is a top chap too. Great video. Cheers!
Ive had a couple of 560 SECs, they are very similar in handling and operation as the c124. Its not all that heavy to be an S class (1750kg) and with the euro spec engine its plenty fast with a v8 soundtrack. Originality like wheels and orange indicators are a must for me, and they do fit the bill better as a classic if they're close to original. They're still pretty cheap and are a timeless pillarless design, so they are bound to keep or rise in value. Great content as always, this channel is constantly improving in quality and you are a natural host.
The wheels on the car Jay drives are not my thing, too, although they are correct for the period, that was what people put on their cars back than, just like the spoiler and the exhaust pipes. I am still not a fan. But the white indicators are correct. This is the third generation of the 124 series. (1st did not have the Sacco side covers unless it was a six cylinder, the 2nd gen did get the covers on all models, the 3rd gen, like this got the white indicators and the grill was decreased in size, the merc star moved from the top of the grill to the front of the bonnet.
@@Kref3 yep, i know, the white indicators came in around 94 together with the grille and some other details. They were never on the w123, w126 or the w201 though but you see them all the time 😟
@@lukemallory7832 Yep. Sacco regarded the 126, especially the SEC, as his best ever design. Although he could have any Benz he liked, he still chooses to drive a C126. My SEC is called Bruno, after its designer (I always anthropomorphise my cars).
I loved my 560SEC. Had it for over 10 years. Sold it around 11 years ago at the bottom of the market. Traded it on an AMG 55CL that I kept for 1 year.. That was a mistake. Wish I still had the 560.
i don´t understand they couldn´t be more far from eachother i had a SEC with a V8 ,i think it was the 500 but also had the c124 and they are two very diferent cars unless you use automatic and in reality you just stear ,wich is a pitty to have such great cars and not knowing how they handle one is almost alf the size from the other and the driving is completely diferent or i wouldn´t keep for a good period of time both,is the same of saying that the 190E 2,3 is the same compared to the SE ,both are sedans but a litle diferent in size, and having more than one 560 you´re lucky they are very rare with that engine ,normally the AMG version , and cheap you can buy a GT mercedes new for less money a 560 SEC can be sold by 195.000€(if you find one) as others rare mercedes like the 60´s SL that can be sold even for more than the amount i said . The ones who can be bought cheaper are if there is one with automatic transmition that normally people above 70 years old choose to use automatic ,regards
JayEmm: Great to see you featuring a C124. :-) Modern cars, including modern Benzes, leave me cold. Jellybean-shaped computers on wheels are not my thing. Over 30+ years I've owned 17 Benzes - at least one example of every S-Klasse from 1955 220a (W180) to 1993 S 320 (W140); my main driver of the past seven years is an '83 C126 500 SEC. Perhaps the most special was my 1964 W112 300 SE coupé, Paul Bracq's masterpiece. I've also owned a W124 (300 E) and two W201s (180 E and 190 E). My first Benz was a W108 280 SE that I acquired when it was 11 years old; it was my main driver for 22 years until I retired it at 512K miles. The only significant mechanical repairs it required were a head gasket replacement and a fuel pump. Perhaps I’ve been unusually fortunate, but when I total up all my M-B expenditures and selling prices, the marque has actually *paid me* to own it.
Jelly bean shaped computers lol. I like that one 😂😂. Yes same, my weekend car is a 500SEC and everytime I get in the front seat it feels like my first time
We have been driving old cars since 1997 and never plan to buy new again. Currently running a 1987 Mercedes 560 SEC and a 1997 Lincoln Town Car. LOVE them both.
My daily driver is a 1967 Volvo Amazon. Love it. Great looks, zero rust, totally reliable, no computer, easy to repair, manual shift (plus overdrive) and inexpensive to run. It was the car that anticipated modern BMW's (great performance in a family car) and still corners, brakes and accelerates like a modern vehicle. Moreover, prople of all ages and backgrounds gather anywhere I stop to tell me how much they love it. Tough to find a good model but they are out there.
Having driven Amazons for 15 years I can mostly concur. They keep up, at least with 1 litre Euro boxes, but I would say the handling is of its time. As soon as I moved to my present W123 I became a calm driver, whereas the Amo made me hot-headed. But I miss the visceral quality of driving a 60s car.
They’re so bulletproof, yet I hardly see 90’s Mercedes still rolling around. I still see Lexus’s on the road. However, 90’s Mercedes are much more cooler than most other cars
People love classic old mechanical cars that have a soul . My old drive is a 240 . Last week whilst filling up a 997 Conv. pulled up, music full on Rolex on wrist (picture painted !) Another guy shouted across 'love the car mate ' . mr porsche turned round , and said thanks . He said 'no not you ' i am talking about the classic 240 !!
The reason I love my classic car. Inexpensive motoring with no depreciation. Parts and insurance are cheap. Random people come up to you and talk about having owned one. People in the street wave at you. I am always let out of junctions. Passengers spend most of their time laughing, smiling, and cheering. Fellow owners always have some parts to help you out. Classic cars just sound and smell so much better.
Can really testify on classics. Last year a friend of mine acquired a 1985 911 Carrera 3.2, and we went out for a photoshoot. He brought one of his friend in his 2012 991 Carrera S (we asked if he can bring his SLS but told that the SLS was still being worked on). Now, I would usually look at 991 Carrera S and think "Yes, want one for myself one day". That day, however, it was the G-Modell that grabs our attention. Perhaps the newer 911 would be better for daily stuffs. But something about classic old 911s that are just so appealing. So yeah, perhaps if I can afford to get these kinds of cars one day I would like to have classic old 911s in my collection. Kinda silly, though, since up until 2015 I can't see the appeal of classic old 911s when newer generations are better. I was wrong.
Rust on these old Mercs can be horrendous, especially around the wheel arches. Still love these old coupes when in nice condition. They have real class.
Being the proud owner of a Zinnobar Red E28 at 25, I have to say you were spot on with the whole bit about owning a classic car. The reactions I get when people see the old girl on the road, to them it either evokes a feeling of "Oh that's really cool" or "I remember when so and so had one of these". I also love just how much more of an achievement it feels to drive it, compared to a friend's modern E53 AMG. In the E53, I feel like I'm only along for the ride and I'm not really in full control, whereas in the E28 I feel it's only because of me that I've done what I've done. Alas I'd love to drive the old girl everywhere but I live just outside of the expanded ULEZ zone in London, so I'll have to wait for another 4 years before she becomes a historic vehicle, in the meantime I have a ULEZ compliant crapbox that can deal with that nonsense so it's all well and good.
A big part for me is the visibility equation. Modern cars with their excessively sloping and thick A-pillars, larger b-pillars, cramped and wide c-pillar, and high waistline have nowhere near the visibility for any of the occupants. This visibility should form part of the NCAP rating. And the funny thing is you don't even realize how bad modern cars have become on this front until you step back into a classic and drive one.
Strongly agree. I've been thinking of getting something newer* recently (for the sake of having A/C) - but *everything* seems hard to see out of. And a properly designed car shouldn't *need* parking-sensors, you should be able to see. *newer than my 190E which has excellent visibility.
I have a few 80's German cars, but my favorite has to be the w126. It blows me away every time I drive it. Just how smooth it is, the quality of the sound system (being 30 years old) and just how nicely it goes down the road. It is one of the most satisfying cars I've ever driven, and thus I drive it a ton. Probably 15k miles a year in addition to my daily (L322).
I had a W126 LWB in late 90s. There isn't a classic car of that era which rides and feels like that did. A truly fantastic car from when they felt like they were built out of girders and granite.
This was the golden age of Mercedes. I had a neighbor that had one of these and a BMW 635CSi at the same time, damn nice driveway. One of my roommates in college had a 300E and I drove that quite a bit. My father had a 500E and it's still one of my favorite cars to this day, I definitely plan to get one sometime soon in the future.
These are pretty much the reason I only drive 'old' cars. Love my Saab 900 Classic 2.1i, Saab 900ng Convertible 2.3i and Volkswagen Corrado VR6. But even the daily runabout is older, a Saab 9-5 Estate 2.3t. So yea, I do like the older cars. 😄
Classic here too brother. Rover 75! 20 years old drives like a charm. Always buying the best oil, etc. Android radio inside and done. No headaches like the new cars of today!
Be careful with fuel now according to the government E10 non compatible car list all Rover fuel systems are apparently only suitable for E5 petrol, unless you have a diesel.
@@corporatemcmahon2815 the new cars they are bringing out don't excite me much as they have only been designed for the people who love computer tech. Even the new Porsche and Audi EV's aren't that appealing to me.
@@bentullett6068 true. They all adopt and copy from each other. No more class. They all look and feel the same. Touch, sense, thousand gestures to tune down the volume for music. Give me a break. Nice channel and video, Sir.
A lot of what you're saying resonates with me. Cars have converged in recent years. The regulations have killed the sound. The badly interpreted progress is killing the interior design with every car manufacturer trying to cram the most screens, forgetting about the importance of tactility in the process of doing so. The exteriors are unified so much that even us geeks admit we need to read the badge to find out which exact model it is that we see on the road. The engines? R4 with a turbo. Or two of them. That's about it if you're not crazy rich. When I think about (relatively) new cars that make me feel genuinely interested and are not super or hypercars... New Alfas, IONIC, M2 CS, Yaris GR, BRZ/AE86 and Mazdas and bimmers for their styling. I'm getting a 20-year old BMW next week. Gonna be my daily. Wish me luck :)
@@nonamenogame6276 had to go to the shop once shortly after buying it (oil pan gasket was leaking oil, the seller did not take care of it for whatever reason), no major issues after that. I can't walk away from it without turning my head at least once, so I guess it was a good decision :D
Now you've got me wondering which Ryan you are ;-) That car was indeed a 124, albeit a brown 230E saloon (sadly now gone at my own hand!). Well remembered!
I too have wanted one for years. But when it came to it, I got an r230 instead. Just so much easier to live with the vario roof than a separate hardtop - despite all of the other niggles!
i have the opinion that the first car was a real mercedes the second model doesn´t look like a S or E-class mercdes, it was made in brazil the front part looks like a miniture of a E-class or late 90´s C-class and the back just like the E-class, they have powerfull engines and those are well built but compared to older models looks like a weak car ,from Brazil only cachaça is good
Great video Jay! I drive a 1978 Mercedes 280ce Coupe which I suppose is referred to as a C123 in Mercedes parlance. Living in Los Angeles helps but I do believe as you do that these are cars you can enjoy every day. It never ceases to amaze me how modern these cars feel and perform.
I completely understand the comfy feeling you get in an older Mercedes. I had a 1989 300e sedan for several years and absolutely loved it! It was economical, had reasonable power, had almost ever creature comfort known to man and was more comfortable than my recliner chair at home. Like an idiot I sold it to buy a VW Diesel Van to move a few hundred miles for a job. Miss the Merc very much but circumstances have changed, I'm now a widower sadly, and lost my right leg below the knee from type 2 diabetes, hence my search for an automatic car that's entertaining to drive, comfortable and of course reliable, or at least cheap to fix. I'm thinking a GT car maybe a 3rd generation Toyota Supra Turbo, or a Datsun 280zx, possibly even a Porsche 924s/944 all of which came with optional auto transmissions. I'd love to throw the Jaguar XK8/XKR on the list, even a Porsche 928 but I fear the upkeep, the insurance and angry people with keys. Looking forward to see what lands in your drive, cheers from Canada!
Interesting, 08-10 would be roughly my pick for when cars were least good. Germany reliability died about 10 years earlier, safety was making cars fat (and safe which is good, but still fat) and mechanical bits hadn't really improved to a level where we saw drastic changes in handling. 90s win for me - we had the great hot hatches and supercars like the Diablo and F1. Then after about 2011 we really started to get modern tech, proper diffs and adjustable suspension made the fat cars handle ok again and so on. There are exceptions, great cars from 08-10 but pre-2003 and 2012-on I can think of far more groundbreaking cars (pro rata) than between those periods.
I agree I think 2008-2010 designed cars were the last of peak cars. I drive a 2013 SEAT Ibiza FR which was a update to the 2008 Ibiza. Its possibly one of the last FR models strictly using the sporty design details including a actual twin tip exhaust unlike the new Ibiza FR which is fakery sport design with fake pretend twin exhausts. It also doesn't have all this annoying nanny state safety gear fitted.
Many years ago, late 80's in fact I had an auto W123 300D that was considered very uncool in those days. I still miss that car despite having some real beauties since. The late 70's Merc build quality and buttery smooth ride/transmission is something I really miss.
I just bought a W124 of E220 in 1994 last month …..like you said driving the old car on the road is a wonderful feeling that hard to explain by words… I’m enjoying the moment 🎉
I had one 93-97. Awesome sound, great performance, different looking and never, ever let me down in 60,000 miles. But it was always properly maintained. Cheers.
I adore this era of Mercedes, there was just something about them that words cannot explain, I just love them. It will be interesting to see what classic you go for James. From what I've seen from your channel so far you have an eclectic taste and variety in cars so It will be intriguing to what you may choose.
Merc. SL 1990 ies. LOVELY daily driver ! Found cheap, low milage. Had it de dented, painted, airco filled, new stereo, alarm ! And some plastic replaced. Roof had been done already. Better than new, no depreciation, very low maintenance, many thumbs up on the road... After 52 yrs, I can finally relax behind the wheel, smile, grin from deep inside and be HAPPY !! (On sunny days especially)
I can't keep up with the times. For me, new cars don't look as good, dont feel as good, and don't have any character compared to the older cars. And this w124 looks fantastic
I had one, I loved it and I still do love it. Great car, stylish, robust, powerful, comfortable, great engineered, built, mannered and handling. One of the best cars ever, from the peaking era of its brand. Bless.
That’s why I have an old Mercedes convertible. I live in London and it takes about 30 minutes to get to a road where I can do 50 plus. So a Lamborghini would be stupid. The old Merc is a great stylish motor with some elegance and practical too.
I think the bit about knowing what you want from it and how you want to drive it is really important. Fun story: my normal daily is currently in the bodyshop getting 12 years of living on country highways wiped off the front of it and a general spruce up (door seals, tidy the rims, etc), so for the last few weeks I've been dailying my 40 year old Alfetta GTV. While the Merc may make you content to waft along in no hurry, I find that the Alfetta makes me a more aggressive driver than I am in the daily. There's a few reasons for that, 1) the Alfa's red and Italian so it feels in character, 2) it's not actually very fast, so every kph is precious, and 3) it really rewards pushing on a bit (which, joyfully, is still done at sane speeds). It's also been a reminder that all the things that make that car fun and I love about it, are also the things that make it a /screaming pain in the arse/. It's a fun, interactive, immediate, and visceral drive which is a two-way conversation to get the best from, but at the end of a long day that's also not always what I feel like dealing with. Particularly in traffic. Fortunately the weather's been dry and cool, so the fact that using the air-con makes the engine stall anywhere except the highway also hasn't been an issue. :P So yeah, while I still get a kick out of driving it every time, I'm also remembering why I replaced it as my daily. Fortunately you've got a selection of cars, because if one thing's for certain: having an alternative mode of transport makes owning a classic far easier to love. 100% worth all the effort though. Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to go look at old Mercs on Carsales.
@@JayEmmOnCars You seem to be a jag man a classic jag sounds like a good choice for you. good looks ,ok parts avalability , comfortable , depending on the type good handling and can get them in manual
As many that have already probably said , watched video , liked video , then straight on to looking at what classic cars are for sale 🤣. Another top video.
Little fun thing, in 1985 my dad got the first 300D 4 door in ice diamond blue. His best friend was the managing director of Spar Trucks Mercedes on the south coast who supplied trucks for the family business.
I agree with you on many levels. Older cars definitely feel more like living, breathing things. They are a lot more involving. You feel like a part of them when you're driving around, it's _you_ making things happen. New cars are boring and detached. Fine for doodling along in rush hour traffic, but for driving enjoyment? No. I don't think I've ever seen you grin as much as you did driving that 205 GTI.
With you all the way on the charm of older cars. Really getting into them at the moment and looking at early naughties coupes. If you’re looking late 70s, early 80 cars, how about an XJS, BMW 6 series or Audi 100 coupe from that era?
I do like my old Mercedes, that was a wonderful era, when the engineers ran the show. When it comes to parts, Mercedes are quite good at stocking their shelves, if it’s not at their UK distribution centre, usually can be overnighted from Germany (though Brexit…), parts aren’t that expensive for original parts either. Sixes are the way to go, V8s are more complex and heavy, vs the power gains and the 4’s are a very anaemic unless you get the 190 Cosworth. The DOHC M104 fitted to the on you drive is a little less durable (head gaskets) than the SOHC M103 from which it was derived, and in a C124 it’s worth taking the hit on power and finding a good pre-facelift 300CE, there’s no risk of biodegradable looms, and the paint was cellulose based, so bodywork holds up better. Oh and the “slush box” just needs to be driven right for the best results, forget the “sport” mode and accept that it will always use second to depart, just use the range hold and you’ll be winning the traffic light grand prix before long, because nobody expects an old Mercedes to gather her skirts and go off then line.
Ex-Japan 280E w' 90k km - these cars are a doddle to live with if they've been looked after & are properly maintained. You're unlucky in that Japan didn't get the E/S switch but they have 1st gear start - so a 280E is therefore plenty quick off the line in modern traffic & just ticks along all day at 120kph. Parts-wise, so much work you can easily do yourself & not expensive if you purchase from the OE suppliers vs. overspending at the dealership for the same part with a MB stamp on it. Prices def' rising for really good examples as people get tired of unserviceable, expensive cars full of stuff just waiting to break. The W124 is just great a being a car, with nothing less or more than you need to travel in style & comfort.
Spot on! I acquired a C124 ('89 300CE) imported from Japan last October. It is an absolute treat to drive. I think at a certain age, you don't care for the burnouts, drag racing, and cutting through traffic, and start to enjoy more the stories and conversations it strikes. Which is does a lot. I am glad to hear that you believe the M103 and pre face lift models are better. I was/still am looking for an air intake tube for the M103 and thought to myself "uh-oh, I got myself a car whose engine was produced for 2 years". Good tidbits on the paint, and I was aware of the wiring harness. Currently 140 000KM on the dial, Midnight on navy, and bought for $3500CAD. Best from CA.
I had a beautiful silver "1992" C124 ....300CE-24 for 8 years. Absolutely loved it! This version was the top of the line 24 valve 3 litre 6 cylinder, with the new 5 speed Auto gearbox, and all the fruit. Such a solid and over-engineered car in every way.
You need a 70's Jaguar Coupe! I've got a 2005 CLK320 which to me is the perfect balance between old and modern, plus I loved those cars when I grew up and now I can own and work on one myself!
@@dariusandrews4490 I went through this process and just stuck to the standard Nav system. In the glovebox I have an aux input so I just bought a bluetooth unit that connects to my phone and I run Itunes through the aux input. I was thinking about getting an Android nav system but I like my cars standard and those systems are quite expensive anyway. Installation can also be quite complicated if you want your steering wheel buttons to work.
James, you have hit the nail right in the head. There are many things people lust after….. but you have to have what YOU lust after. Hence why this 44 year old owns and drives a 1998 4.6 V8 Range P38. A 2006 3.0cdi E class (daily) and a 2004 SL500. Modern can go and do one. Great vids as always.
Enjoyed your video very much - you have an excellent gift of expression for your "one-man show". I especially appreciate the w124 coupe. I have the same color combo on my 1993 300e 2.8 sedan and 1990 420SEL. Just to balance things out there is also a 1994 BMW 8 Series 840ci Black on Black, and a very fun 1998 BMW 318ti e36 Compact 5 speed M-Sport in Teal over light beige. My original theory was " have enough of them and you'll always be able to get somewhere". That has been many times disproved over the last 30 years of owning collector cars.
Awesome expression of what is my impression too. As a special, affordable classic car I can recommend a mercedes C140. I am driving a 600SEC and it's an event every time you crank these 12 Zylinders. Although if you look for attention I can tell driving my R129 Sl280 is turning more heads though! Keep on doing great content your style!
@@bogdanbosoi1483 On a planet where you start to compare it to the garage and financial capability of JayEmm. If you deal with Ferrari, Lamborghini and other exotic stuff an c140 V12 is affordable. If you compare it to a mk 2 golf GTI for example it is not and you are right.
I agree with you completely and it seems a lot of other people do too as this is reflected in the higher prices now being achieved in the market place for these older cars. I just bought a 1990 420SE it’s done 102000 kms and it’s beautiful to drive. Great video Jay thanks.
If you like working on cars, then old cars from the eighties to nineties are the way to go. Simple tools plenty of access usually and less computer nonsense.
BMW E30 or E28? The E30 320i you featured before was just lovely, the sound of that inline 6 is just something you cannot get anymore, despite it being considered the 'undesirable' model at the time in favour of the 318iS or the 325i.
Awesome Video! I've been driving some modern sport cars the last ten years and finally I bought my first classic car. A BMW E34 530i V8. Think I won't regret it... Cheers Florian
Love the show and came to same conclusion a while ago. I'm done with new cars. I (summer) daily a 2003 m3 and would def consider an old Mercedes. Keep up the good work.
@@NickForest999 Yup. I had to let my S124 go as my daily driver as the mounting repair cost reached £10,000.00 and cancelled out the value of the car. That is the trap I worry people might fall into. There is a legend that Mercs are bullet proof and never go wrong... Not true, they are complex machines with moving parts that wear out just like any other car and like you say.... prices ! Ne plus de bargain pas!
I would chew off my own feet for that Merc. That is what you should be getting. Something solid, something that evokes the memories of when Mercedes Benz over engineered cars. My wife just doesn't get it though.
My mother drives a W124 E200. She has literally zero mechanical sympathy, but it simply does not break, breezes through every MOT with no issues and is still a very calm, relaxed place to be. Helluva car.
Loving your honesty. I have 2 W202 and a W140 and 1 day I found my C36 AMG was giving me even more pleasure than my Evora and that was a moment of clarity in my own self awareness.... well now I miss my Evora too.
@Plant Seed Totally agree They look so tacky and already dated like a 1970s disco with strobe lighting and an afterthought iPad stuck in the middle of the dash lol Yuck!
That's the thing. After a few years they all look dated and out of place. For example, when the W220 came out the MBUX looked amazing. Now it's looks terrible and it keeps repeating itself. Where as these classics they just look timeless and age gracefully. I always put it this way, will you see any Mercedes after the W221 CL on the roads after 10 years from production? Nope. They will all be scrapped and recycled
@@nadk8886 they also are made to be 'thrown away'. The quality of an old Mercedes Benz versus a new one is laughable. Actually that's the same with pretty much all new cars Feel the carpet 🤣🤣 it's like moulded plastic Luxury nowadays means you have cheap acrylic instead of moulded plastic carpet It's pretty pathetically tragic actually More orange peel in car paint than an actual orange peel. This was unheard of years ago 🤣🤣
@@Nthstar 😂😂😂 That's completely true. And they are made to break down with too many sensors so they can make money from service. Also all 'new shapes' look the same. You can't tell the difference between the E or S class, or even the S Class coupe...
@@tenan757 doing it all my self fella, already done my w124 coupe swap with a AMG 3.6 engine, that was pretty much plug n play. Got like 14 Mercs 😬 so I do Loads my self and with the right tools very easy to maintain these cars. 👍
I'm driving my 3rd E... 2 E300... now an E320 and I'm eyeing a low mileage E430... all are pre- 2001. It takes a bit of searching and watching adds but they're out there. Great cars, a joy to drive and easy to live with. Thanks for the review... great subject.
I daily drive a 1991 W124 300D with a 5-speed manual. What a car that is! Rock solid, confortable, reliable. I couldn't really ask anything else from it...
This car is a classic touring car, so comfortable and lovely to drive. Our one was written off by a chap who lost control and crashed into our parked E320 Coupe. I husband is still recovering 10 years later.
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Get a JAAAG ;)
If you want something from the 90's that's a good all-rounder interesting and a bit different from the crowd I Suggest looking at the Renault safrane biturbo, they've got everything you're looking for in a classic car and more .
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wtf 220hp not enought? are you for real?
I’m a W124 coupe owner and I think that car suits you, you’ll find yourself taking a drive just to escape the hustle and bustle now and again !
The most liberating feeling in the world is that wonderous moment when you realise as a motorist, that you just don't have to spend large amounts of money on a car to achieve pure enjoyment. The 'true' difference in driving a Datsun 510 (1600) or a Mazda RX3 versus a Lamborghini or Ferrari on your favourite backroad just isn't the vast chasm many may think. Great cars are great cars and they come in many different forms.
A time when Mercedes were building them to the best they can. Leagues apart from today’s nonsense. Not a Mercedes fan but these are lovely.
I wasn't a Mercedes fan either, but on a whim I imported a S124 E320 Final Edition from Japan at it's wonderfully solid, good to drive and calming (as JayEmm finds the car in this film).
@@EvoraGT430 We're talking about a *real* Mercedes.
When you have a real Mercedes, it's not a video, it's a *film*
I feel like their priority now is to essentially rush technology to market instead of building a solid vehicle that is built with integrity.
A time when it was built for a purpose, not built for a price
@@beaches2mountains230 It's [current year], what's integrity?
That MB is so beatiful compared to the modern ones..
Indeed and look at that interior. Simple, understated, elegant, hewn from rock. The modern stuff is incredibly chintzy with screens everywhere and vodka bar lighting.
True
@@0tispunkm3y3r And those interior lights are a traffic hazard too. Glares off the inside windows!
@@0tispunkm3y3r the new ones look incredibly dated and tacky already.
Like a 1970s disco
🤣
The last gen prefacelift looks good as well. Reminds me of my Rover 75.
The old "squarish" Mercedes S class and S coupe are infinitely more classy than the current brash models. Since the A/CLA they truly lost their reputation, it's become a chavs' brand.
They have lost their cachet and are sell outs now.
Agreed, not a fan of the new Mercs especially the lower tier models (CLA, GLA, GLB, etc)... I've worked on them and they're plastic junk, not built to last like a Mercedes should be.
And, the driving experience sucks. They drive exactly like a modern Nissan or Hyundai.... no steering feel, no road feel, the drive by wire throttle isn't responsive, basically nothing engaging about actually driving the car.... the new cars are just fancy plastic transportation boxes that completely insulate one from the driving experience. Totally a different experience from driving an older Benz.
I bought a Ls430 after watching your review. Old cars are so much more satisfying then new cars to drive and own. Love it
🤝 I own a 2006 Lexus LS430 bro never getting rid of mines 😎
@@theodoreyoung8777
Amazing car I worked for lexus Croydon when this came out. By far the best car of it's time. Nothing at any price to could touche it. Even better then the rolls royce in most ways. Now though it is much harder for lexus to beat the other brands. They have all caught up using the korean and Chinese smart tech. Trying to convince someone lexus is better now is a lot harder. Lexus have quality of course but that's it now. Before they were better in every way then the European competition
@@BobbyDeniroX Thanx for the info bro heard the Lexus at that time was just as quiet if not quieter than the Rolls Royce that’s another reason I’m never getting rid of mines 🤝😎
I'm 22 from the uk I own a 05 Ls430 as my daily I love it till i bottomed the rear the other week so I've just got my coilovers today so just waiting to fit them. I'll miss air ride but it is what it is. Engine & tranny is a smooth as silk 👌
@@ingho253 Good wishes with everything bro the car is definitely a keeper keeping mines for sure 😎
Those pillar-less Mercedes coupes of the past were genuinely in a class of their own. They ooze luxury and opulence like nothing else of the era.
How about a classic French hot Hatch or a mk2 Golf Gti?
@@r7coo They are also great cars of the ear, though they don't have the sense of occasion the Mercedes-Benz have. See they are hot hatches, I personally am a huge fan of lightweight and small cars. You can place them so well on the road and can actually get to enjoy most of the car. The Mercedes-Benz coupes of the era were about transcontinental journeys in great comfort and composure. They had a completely different road presence to the hot hatches and other cars on the road.
@@r7coo They ooze different things, usually from the engine bay. 😉
And this is the main reason I love your channel. Apart from my recent fuckery with TH-cam, it's content creators like you that keeps me watching. I might watch regular telly every so often, but, it can be boring and does not excite the mind.
Whatever car you end up with, I hope you get the same enjoyment as driving a Ferrari.
Stay safe and keep well.
Thanks chap, that's what it is all about isn't it, enjoyment
people love a classic car. they turn a journey into an event!
Get a Citroen DS. They're cool and unique, they are relaxing, and they will put a smile on people's faces.
Had the privilege of riding in that car (while my C2 was being filmed) and it's a wonderful thing. I had to decline the kind offer to drive it for fear of doing something to it! The owner is a top chap too. Great video. Cheers!
Darren and his Merc are both legends
Ive had a couple of 560 SECs, they are very similar in handling and operation as the c124. Its not all that heavy to be an S class (1750kg) and with the euro spec engine its plenty fast with a v8 soundtrack. Originality like wheels and orange indicators are a must for me, and they do fit the bill better as a classic if they're close to original. They're still pretty cheap and are a timeless pillarless design, so they are bound to keep or rise in value.
Great content as always, this channel is constantly improving in quality and you are a natural host.
The wheels on the car Jay drives are not my thing, too, although they are correct for the period, that was what people put on their cars back than, just like the spoiler and the exhaust pipes. I am still not a fan.
But the white indicators are correct. This is the third generation of the 124 series. (1st did not have the Sacco side covers unless it was a six cylinder, the 2nd gen did get the covers on all models, the 3rd gen, like this got the white indicators and the grill was decreased in size, the merc star moved from the top of the grill to the front of the bonnet.
@@Kref3 yep, i know, the white indicators came in around 94 together with the grille and some other details. They were never on the w123, w126 or the w201 though but you see them all the time 😟
@@lukemallory7832 Yep. Sacco regarded the 126, especially the SEC, as his best ever design. Although he could have any Benz he liked, he still chooses to drive a C126. My SEC is called Bruno, after its designer (I always anthropomorphise my cars).
I loved my 560SEC. Had it for over 10 years. Sold it around 11 years ago at the bottom of the market. Traded it on an AMG 55CL that I kept for 1 year.. That was a mistake. Wish I still had the 560.
i don´t understand they couldn´t be more far from eachother i had a SEC with a V8 ,i think it was the 500 but also had the c124 and they are two very diferent cars unless you use automatic and in reality you just stear ,wich is a pitty to have such great cars and not knowing how they handle one is almost alf the size from the other and the driving is completely diferent or i wouldn´t keep for a good period of time both,is the same of saying that the 190E 2,3 is the same compared to the SE ,both are sedans but a litle diferent in size, and having more than one 560 you´re lucky they are very rare with that engine ,normally the AMG version , and cheap you can buy a GT mercedes new for less money a 560 SEC can be sold by 195.000€(if you find one) as others rare mercedes like the 60´s SL that can be sold even for more than the amount i said . The ones who can be bought cheaper are if there is one with automatic transmition that normally people above 70 years old choose to use automatic ,regards
JayEmm: Great to see you featuring a C124. :-)
Modern cars, including modern Benzes, leave me cold. Jellybean-shaped computers on wheels are not my thing.
Over 30+ years I've owned 17 Benzes - at least one example of every S-Klasse from 1955 220a (W180) to 1993 S 320 (W140); my main driver of the past seven years is an '83 C126 500 SEC. Perhaps the most special was my 1964 W112 300 SE coupé, Paul Bracq's masterpiece.
I've also owned a W124 (300 E) and two W201s (180 E and 190 E). My first Benz was a W108 280 SE that I acquired when it was 11 years old; it was my main driver for 22 years until I retired it at 512K miles. The only significant mechanical repairs it required were a head gasket replacement and a fuel pump.
Perhaps I’ve been unusually fortunate, but when I total up all my M-B expenditures and selling prices, the marque has actually *paid me* to own it.
Jelly bean shaped computers lol. I like that one 😂😂. Yes same, my weekend car is a 500SEC and everytime I get in the front seat it feels like my first time
You’re just talking to your own ego mate🙄
This thing is timeless. Just look at that 3/4 view with the windows down.
We have been driving old cars since 1997 and never plan to buy new again. Currently running a 1987 Mercedes 560 SEC and a 1997 Lincoln Town Car. LOVE them both.
My daily driver is a 1967 Volvo Amazon. Love it. Great looks, zero rust, totally reliable, no computer, easy to repair, manual shift (plus overdrive) and inexpensive to run. It was the car that anticipated modern BMW's (great performance in a family car) and still corners, brakes and accelerates like a modern vehicle. Moreover, prople of all ages and backgrounds gather anywhere I stop to tell me how much they love it. Tough to find a good model but they are out there.
Having driven Amazons for 15 years I can mostly concur. They keep up, at least with 1 litre Euro boxes, but I would say the handling is of its time.
As soon as I moved to my present W123 I became a calm driver, whereas the Amo made me hot-headed. But I miss the visceral quality of driving a 60s car.
I absolutely LOVE the wheels on those mercs, up there will my favourite of all time.
Those old Mercs are bulletproof!
No theyre not
You wrote Lexus in a funny way
They’re so bulletproof, yet I hardly see 90’s Mercedes still rolling around. I still see Lexus’s on the road. However, 90’s Mercedes are much more cooler than most other cars
They are pretty bulletproof tbf. Problem is they aren’t rust proof 😅
Merxus is best
People love classic old mechanical cars that have a soul . My old drive is a 240 . Last week whilst filling up a 997 Conv. pulled up, music full on Rolex on wrist (picture painted !) Another guy shouted across 'love the car mate ' . mr porsche turned round , and said thanks . He said 'no not you ' i am talking about the classic 240 !!
The reason I love my classic car.
Inexpensive motoring with no depreciation. Parts and insurance are cheap.
Random people come up to you and talk about having owned one.
People in the street wave at you.
I am always let out of junctions.
Passengers spend most of their time laughing, smiling, and cheering.
Fellow owners always have some parts to help you out.
Classic cars just sound and smell so much better.
Can really testify on classics. Last year a friend of mine acquired a 1985 911 Carrera 3.2, and we went out for a photoshoot. He brought one of his friend in his 2012 991 Carrera S (we asked if he can bring his SLS but told that the SLS was still being worked on). Now, I would usually look at 991 Carrera S and think "Yes, want one for myself one day". That day, however, it was the G-Modell that grabs our attention. Perhaps the newer 911 would be better for daily stuffs. But something about classic old 911s that are just so appealing. So yeah, perhaps if I can afford to get these kinds of cars one day I would like to have classic old 911s in my collection.
Kinda silly, though, since up until 2015 I can't see the appeal of classic old 911s when newer generations are better. I was wrong.
This is just a great lookin' Merc, period! Tires and wheels REALLY make a difference!
Rust on these old Mercs can be horrendous, especially around the wheel arches. Still love these old coupes when in nice condition. They have real class.
Being the proud owner of a Zinnobar Red E28 at 25, I have to say you were spot on with the whole bit about owning a classic car. The reactions I get when people see the old girl on the road, to them it either evokes a feeling of "Oh that's really cool" or "I remember when so and so had one of these".
I also love just how much more of an achievement it feels to drive it, compared to a friend's modern E53 AMG. In the E53, I feel like I'm only along for the ride and I'm not really in full control, whereas in the E28 I feel it's only because of me that I've done what I've done. Alas I'd love to drive the old girl everywhere but I live just outside of the expanded ULEZ zone in London, so I'll have to wait for another 4 years before she becomes a historic vehicle, in the meantime I have a ULEZ compliant crapbox that can deal with that nonsense so it's all well and good.
Absolutely love these things, just a perfect classy summer cruiser!
That Merc is a lovely thing, but I think you'd appreciate a well-sorted Porsche 928 - a late 80's S4 would be a good shout.
A big part for me is the visibility equation. Modern cars with their excessively sloping and thick A-pillars, larger b-pillars, cramped and wide c-pillar, and high waistline have nowhere near the visibility for any of the occupants. This visibility should form part of the NCAP rating.
And the funny thing is you don't even realize how bad modern cars have become on this front until you step back into a classic and drive one.
Great comment …. I find new cars very claustrophobic feeling in the front cabin …
Strongly agree. I've been thinking of getting something newer* recently (for the sake of having A/C) - but *everything* seems hard to see out of. And a properly designed car shouldn't *need* parking-sensors, you should be able to see.
*newer than my 190E which has excellent visibility.
I have a few 80's German cars, but my favorite has to be the w126. It blows me away every time I drive it. Just how smooth it is, the quality of the sound system (being 30 years old) and just how nicely it goes down the road. It is one of the most satisfying cars I've ever driven, and thus I drive it a ton. Probably 15k miles a year in addition to my daily (L322).
I had a W126 LWB in late 90s. There isn't a classic car of that era which rides and feels like that did. A truly fantastic car from when they felt like they were built out of girders and granite.
This was the golden age of Mercedes. I had a neighbor that had one of these and a BMW 635CSi at the same time, damn nice driveway. One of my roommates in college had a 300E and I drove that quite a bit. My father had a 500E and it's still one of my favorite cars to this day, I definitely plan to get one sometime soon in the future.
These are pretty much the reason I only drive 'old' cars. Love my Saab 900 Classic 2.1i, Saab 900ng Convertible 2.3i and Volkswagen Corrado VR6.
But even the daily runabout is older, a Saab 9-5 Estate 2.3t.
So yea, I do like the older cars. 😄
Classic here too brother. Rover 75! 20 years old drives like a charm. Always buying the best oil, etc. Android radio inside and done. No headaches like the new cars of today!
Be careful with fuel now according to the government E10 non compatible car list all Rover fuel systems are apparently only suitable for E5 petrol, unless you have a diesel.
@@bentullett6068 Diesel my brother. Germany. Still enjoying until these eco fascist politician pull a rug pull on these cars and force us to eCars.
@@corporatemcmahon2815 the new cars they are bringing out don't excite me much as they have only been designed for the people who love computer tech. Even the new Porsche and Audi EV's aren't that appealing to me.
@@bentullett6068 true. They all adopt and copy from each other. No more class. They all look and feel the same. Touch, sense, thousand gestures to tune down the volume for music. Give me a break. Nice channel and video, Sir.
A lot of what you're saying resonates with me. Cars have converged in recent years. The regulations have killed the sound. The badly interpreted progress is killing the interior design with every car manufacturer trying to cram the most screens, forgetting about the importance of tactility in the process of doing so. The exteriors are unified so much that even us geeks admit we need to read the badge to find out which exact model it is that we see on the road. The engines? R4 with a turbo. Or two of them. That's about it if you're not crazy rich. When I think about (relatively) new cars that make me feel genuinely interested and are not super or hypercars... New Alfas, IONIC, M2 CS, Yaris GR, BRZ/AE86 and Mazdas and bimmers for their styling. I'm getting a 20-year old BMW next week. Gonna be my daily. Wish me luck :)
How’s the bmw going??
@@nonamenogame6276 had to go to the shop once shortly after buying it (oil pan gasket was leaking oil, the seller did not take care of it for whatever reason), no major issues after that. I can't walk away from it without turning my head at least once, so I guess it was a good decision :D
@@pdcichosz cars are always a gamble but with bmw, it’s usually worth it ❤️
Darren had this car when we at School, mad to see it still on the road. Absolute weapon!
Now you've got me wondering which Ryan you are ;-)
That car was indeed a 124, albeit a brown 230E saloon (sadly now gone at my own hand!). Well remembered!
@@mercboiuk yeah now I remember...the saloon! It always looked awesome driving down the long Langley driveway.
I still love my '96 E320 Sportline Cabriolet, >220,000 miles, tight as a drum, turns heads, and a relaxing drive, that pillar-less look - wonderful
I'd love an r129 in my dream garage. Absolutely beautiful cars, especially with the hardtop
I too have wanted one for years. But when it came to it, I got an r230 instead. Just so much easier to live with the vario roof than a separate hardtop - despite all of the other niggles!
This shape is so great. The CLK second series are also gorgeous.
@Simon F
Think the first series looked alot more agressive
I personally found the second series looked a bit "Asian" like a Honda or Hyundai.
i have the opinion that the first car was a real mercedes the second model doesn´t look like a S or E-class mercdes, it was made in brazil the front part looks like a miniture of a E-class or late 90´s C-class and the back just like the E-class, they have powerfull engines and those are well built but compared to older models looks like a weak car ,from Brazil only cachaça is good
My CLK was made in Germany .
350 CLK sport convertible.
Nothing cheap or weak looking about it.
Great video Jay! I drive a 1978 Mercedes 280ce Coupe which I suppose is referred to as a C123 in Mercedes parlance. Living in Los Angeles helps but I do believe as you do that these are cars you can enjoy every day. It never ceases to amaze me how modern these cars feel and perform.
I completely understand the comfy feeling you get in an older Mercedes. I had a 1989 300e sedan for several years and absolutely loved it! It was economical, had reasonable power, had almost ever creature comfort known to man and was more comfortable than my recliner chair at home. Like an idiot I sold it to buy a VW Diesel Van to move a few hundred miles for a job. Miss the Merc very much but circumstances have changed, I'm now a widower sadly, and lost my right leg below the knee from type 2 diabetes, hence my search for an automatic car that's entertaining to drive, comfortable and of course reliable, or at least cheap to fix. I'm thinking a GT car maybe a 3rd generation Toyota Supra Turbo, or a Datsun 280zx, possibly even a Porsche 924s/944 all of which came with optional auto transmissions. I'd love to throw the Jaguar XK8/XKR on the list, even a Porsche 928 but I fear the upkeep, the insurance and angry people with keys. Looking forward to see what lands in your drive, cheers from Canada!
There's nothing like a car that makes you calm when driving it! I love the Italian exotics, but I wouldn't want to keep one as a pet.
Damn you Jay, got me looking at mid 1990s E-Classes.
You and me both 😹😹
You won't be disappointed
9 out of 10 times you get it spot on in my opinion. I think we reached peak car somewhere around 2008-2010. Love your programming.
Interesting, 08-10 would be roughly my pick for when cars were least good. Germany reliability died about 10 years earlier, safety was making cars fat (and safe which is good, but still fat) and mechanical bits hadn't really improved to a level where we saw drastic changes in handling.
90s win for me - we had the great hot hatches and supercars like the Diablo and F1. Then after about 2011 we really started to get modern tech, proper diffs and adjustable suspension made the fat cars handle ok again and so on.
There are exceptions, great cars from 08-10 but pre-2003 and 2012-on I can think of far more groundbreaking cars (pro rata) than between those periods.
I agree I think 2008-2010 designed cars were the last of peak cars. I drive a 2013 SEAT Ibiza FR which was a update to the 2008 Ibiza. Its possibly one of the last FR models strictly using the sporty design details including a actual twin tip exhaust unlike the new Ibiza FR which is fakery sport design with fake pretend twin exhausts. It also doesn't have all this annoying nanny state safety gear fitted.
Just because you have won a new classic,please continue reviewing these type of cars.
I for 1 am loving it.
Of course, always interested in cars like these!
Many years ago, late 80's in fact I had an auto W123 300D that was considered very uncool in those days. I still miss that car despite having some real beauties since.
The late 70's Merc build quality and buttery smooth ride/transmission is something I really miss.
I just bought a W124 of E220 in 1994 last month …..like you said driving the old car on the road is a wonderful feeling that hard to explain by words… I’m enjoying the moment 🎉
An Alfa 164 Busso just might be the way to go for you…
I had one 93-97.
Awesome sound, great performance, different looking and never, ever let me down in 60,000 miles.
But it was always properly maintained.
Cheers.
I adore this era of Mercedes, there was just something about them that words cannot explain, I just love them. It will be interesting to see what classic you go for James. From what I've seen from your channel so far you have an eclectic taste and variety in cars so It will be intriguing to what you may choose.
That Merc is both achingly beautiful and ruggedly masculine looking at the same time, incredible design.
Merc. SL 1990 ies. LOVELY daily driver !
Found cheap, low milage. Had it de dented, painted, airco filled, new stereo, alarm ! And some plastic replaced. Roof had been done already.
Better than new, no depreciation, very low maintenance, many thumbs up on the road...
After 52 yrs, I can finally relax behind the wheel, smile, grin from deep inside and be HAPPY !! (On sunny days especially)
I can't keep up with the times. For me, new cars don't look as good, dont feel as good, and don't have any character compared to the older cars. And this w124 looks fantastic
I had one, I loved it and I still do love it. Great car, stylish, robust, powerful, comfortable, great engineered, built, mannered and handling. One of the best cars ever, from the peaking era of its brand. Bless.
That’s why I have an old Mercedes convertible. I live in London and it takes about 30 minutes to get to a road where I can do 50 plus. So a Lamborghini would be stupid. The old Merc is a great stylish motor with some elegance and practical too.
Had an 94 E36 Coupe with a straight six . Japanese import with no rust and a sound that ensured you turned the radio off. Loved it
Damn thought this was fitted with an AMG kit. But it is a Carat Duchatelet kit, 80/90's drug dealer vibes!
I think the bit about knowing what you want from it and how you want to drive it is really important. Fun story: my normal daily is currently in the bodyshop getting 12 years of living on country highways wiped off the front of it and a general spruce up (door seals, tidy the rims, etc), so for the last few weeks I've been dailying my 40 year old Alfetta GTV. While the Merc may make you content to waft along in no hurry, I find that the Alfetta makes me a more aggressive driver than I am in the daily. There's a few reasons for that, 1) the Alfa's red and Italian so it feels in character, 2) it's not actually very fast, so every kph is precious, and 3) it really rewards pushing on a bit (which, joyfully, is still done at sane speeds).
It's also been a reminder that all the things that make that car fun and I love about it, are also the things that make it a /screaming pain in the arse/. It's a fun, interactive, immediate, and visceral drive which is a two-way conversation to get the best from, but at the end of a long day that's also not always what I feel like dealing with. Particularly in traffic. Fortunately the weather's been dry and cool, so the fact that using the air-con makes the engine stall anywhere except the highway also hasn't been an issue. :P So yeah, while I still get a kick out of driving it every time, I'm also remembering why I replaced it as my daily. Fortunately you've got a selection of cars, because if one thing's for certain: having an alternative mode of transport makes owning a classic far easier to love. 100% worth all the effort though.
Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I need to go look at old Mercs on Carsales.
Jay, I think you should get a BMW E24. Manual, straight six, decent balance between handling and comfort, late 70s-early 80s, and INCREDIBLE looks.
Very cool cars indeed
@@JayEmmOnCars You seem to be a jag man a classic jag sounds like a good choice for you. good looks ,ok parts avalability , comfortable , depending on the type good handling and can get them in manual
I do enjoy a classic Jag, but tough finding the ones I want in manual
As many that have already probably said , watched video , liked video , then straight on to looking at what classic cars are for sale 🤣. Another top video.
You may consider driving a BMW 635 CSi for its genuinely perfect driving experience. The automotive equivalent of a Swiss watch imho.
Little fun thing, in 1985 my dad got the first 300D 4 door in ice diamond blue. His best friend was the managing director of Spar Trucks Mercedes on the south coast who supplied trucks for the family business.
I agree with you on many levels. Older cars definitely feel more like living, breathing things. They are a lot more involving. You feel like a part of them when you're driving around, it's _you_ making things happen. New cars are boring and detached. Fine for doodling along in rush hour traffic, but for driving enjoyment? No. I don't think I've ever seen you grin as much as you did driving that 205 GTI.
The GTI was a wonderful thing
I’ve recently bought a 190e baby merc, 1.8 manual, wind up windows. Love it.
With you all the way on the charm of older cars. Really getting into them at the moment and looking at early naughties coupes. If you’re looking late 70s, early 80 cars, how about an XJS, BMW 6 series or Audi 100 coupe from that era?
Old school Mercs when the build quality was so good .I have w201 1991 190e 2.6 you don’t have prove any thing just cruise and love it
I do like my old Mercedes, that was a wonderful era, when the engineers ran the show. When it comes to parts, Mercedes are quite good at stocking their shelves, if it’s not at their UK distribution centre, usually can be overnighted from Germany (though Brexit…), parts aren’t that expensive for original parts either. Sixes are the way to go, V8s are more complex and heavy, vs the power gains and the 4’s are a very anaemic unless you get the 190 Cosworth. The DOHC M104 fitted to the on you drive is a little less durable (head gaskets) than the SOHC M103 from which it was derived, and in a C124 it’s worth taking the hit on power and finding a good pre-facelift 300CE, there’s no risk of biodegradable looms, and the paint was cellulose based, so bodywork holds up better. Oh and the “slush box” just needs to be driven right for the best results, forget the “sport” mode and accept that it will always use second to depart, just use the range hold and you’ll be winning the traffic light grand prix before long, because nobody expects an old Mercedes to gather her skirts and go off then line.
Spot on, a straight six is far better than a V8.
there´s slow mercedes but when they get fast ,they are really fast, but slow and very economical in comsumption
Ex-Japan 280E w' 90k km - these cars are a doddle to live with if they've been looked after & are properly maintained. You're unlucky in that Japan didn't get the E/S switch but they have 1st gear start - so a 280E is therefore plenty quick off the line in modern traffic & just ticks along all day at 120kph. Parts-wise, so much work you can easily do yourself & not expensive if you purchase from the OE suppliers vs. overspending at the dealership for the same part with a MB stamp on it. Prices def' rising for really good examples as people get tired of unserviceable, expensive cars full of stuff just waiting to break. The W124 is just great a being a car, with nothing less or more than you need to travel in style & comfort.
Spot on!
I acquired a C124 ('89 300CE) imported from Japan last October. It is an absolute treat to drive. I think at a certain age, you don't care for the burnouts, drag racing, and cutting through traffic, and start to enjoy more the stories and conversations it strikes. Which is does a lot.
I am glad to hear that you believe the M103 and pre face lift models are better. I was/still am looking for an air intake tube for the M103 and thought to myself "uh-oh, I got myself a car whose engine was produced for 2 years". Good tidbits on the paint, and I was aware of the wiring harness. Currently 140 000KM on the dial, Midnight on navy, and bought for $3500CAD.
Best from CA.
you're right
My neighbour to my business owns this exact same car in 2 tone red and black it’s so beautiful!
Really enjoyed this, thank you, but feel a reference to "triangle of doom' is required 😉
My daily driver is a Jag XJ6 Series II restored from ground up. I would never change for a modern car. They are without soul. That Mercedes is lovely.
I love those pillarless coupes, I just wish they were available with a manual gearbox.
BMW 850CSI !
Mercedes manual gearboxes were awful.
Im pretty sure in europe they have been
They were, also many seem to convert from auto to manual
There actually was a manual version from the factory, if I'm not mistaken 🤔
I had a beautiful silver "1992" C124 ....300CE-24 for 8 years. Absolutely loved it!
This version was the top of the line 24 valve 3 litre 6 cylinder, with the new 5 speed Auto gearbox, and all the fruit. Such a solid and over-engineered car in every way.
Out of all the cars I have been in the backseat of a W124 sedan is the single most comfortable one.
Thank you for this great video. I'm glad you warmed to the C124. i use my 1995 c320 as a daily driver and it is phenomenal!
You need a 70's Jaguar Coupe! I've got a 2005 CLK320 which to me is the perfect balance between old and modern, plus I loved those cars when I grew up and now I can own and work on one myself!
Last year i got an 03 clk 320 with 47k miles. What kind of radio do you have? Trying to figure out something for the factory stereo
@@dariusandrews4490 I went through this process and just stuck to the standard Nav system. In the glovebox I have an aux input so I just bought a bluetooth unit that connects to my phone and I run Itunes through the aux input. I was thinking about getting an Android nav system but I like my cars standard and those systems are quite expensive anyway. Installation can also be quite complicated if you want your steering wheel buttons to work.
Excellent footage.
Timeless video of a timeless vehicle.
Will still be watchable in 30 years,
just like the C124.
James, you have hit the nail right in the head. There are many things people lust after….. but you have to have what YOU lust after. Hence why this 44 year old owns and drives a 1998 4.6 V8 Range P38. A 2006 3.0cdi E class (daily) and a 2004 SL500. Modern can go and do one.
Great vids as always.
Greetings to P38 man!
Enjoyed your video very much - you have an excellent gift of expression for your "one-man show". I especially appreciate the w124 coupe. I have the same color combo on my 1993 300e 2.8 sedan and 1990 420SEL. Just to balance things out there is also a 1994 BMW 8 Series 840ci Black on Black, and a very fun 1998 BMW 318ti e36 Compact 5 speed M-Sport in Teal over light beige. My original theory was " have enough of them and you'll always be able to get somewhere". That has been many times disproved over the last 30 years of owning collector cars.
Awesome expression of what is my impression too.
As a special, affordable classic car I can recommend a mercedes C140. I am driving a 600SEC and it's an event every time you crank these 12 Zylinders.
Although if you look for attention I can tell driving my R129 Sl280 is turning more heads though!
Keep on doing great content your style!
O what planet is a w140 v12 "affordable" to you? You surely have no clue what you are talking about.
@@bogdanbosoi1483
On a planet where you start to compare it to the garage and financial capability of JayEmm. If you deal with Ferrari, Lamborghini and other exotic stuff an c140 V12 is affordable. If you compare it to a mk 2 golf GTI for example it is not and you are right.
I agree with you completely and it seems a lot of other people do too as this is reflected in the higher prices now being achieved in the market place for these older cars. I just bought a 1990 420SE it’s done 102000 kms and it’s beautiful to drive. Great video Jay thanks.
If you like working on cars, then old cars from the eighties to nineties are the way to go. Simple tools plenty of access usually and less computer nonsense.
Some good points here. 👍 I daily drive a 1964 Volvo P1800 and it’s a blast. Looks good, sounds good and drives pretty well too. 🚗
Nice car!
BMW E30 or E28? The E30 320i you featured before was just lovely, the sound of that inline 6 is just something you cannot get anymore, despite it being considered the 'undesirable' model at the time in favour of the 318iS or the 325i.
Awesome Video!
I've been driving some modern sport cars the last ten years and finally I bought my first classic car.
A BMW E34 530i V8.
Think I won't regret it...
Cheers
Florian
Love the show and came to same conclusion a while ago. I'm done with new cars. I (summer) daily a 2003 m3 and would def consider an old Mercedes. Keep up the good work.
As Mercedes R129 owner, I can tell that genuine parts are not cheap! You have to really love these cars to keep them going.
Agreed, I’ve a 129 and a 107, the adage “nothing is more expensive than a cheap Mercedes” holds true!
@@NickForest999 Yup. I had to let my S124 go as my daily driver as the mounting repair cost reached £10,000.00 and cancelled out the value of the car. That is the trap I worry people might fall into. There is a legend that Mercs are bullet proof and never go wrong... Not true, they are complex machines with moving parts that wear out just like any other car and like you say.... prices ! Ne plus de bargain pas!
I would chew off my own feet for that Merc. That is what you should be getting. Something solid, something that evokes the memories of when Mercedes Benz over engineered cars. My wife just doesn't get it though.
My mother drives a W124 E200. She has literally zero mechanical sympathy, but it simply does not break, breezes through every MOT with no issues and is still a very calm, relaxed place to be.
Helluva car.
funny thing, I like this old interior and angular exterior better then any new MB
Loving your honesty. I have 2 W202 and a W140 and 1 day I found my C36 AMG was giving me even more pleasure than my Evora and that was a moment of clarity in my own self awareness.... well now I miss my Evora too.
This comes on the very day I start looking at W124s in the classifieds...
6:50 - welcome to the Mercedes club!
That also happened to me a lot when I went from a 91 VW Corrado G60 to a 93 Mercedes E-class coupe.
There is no way in hell I would consider buying a new Mercedes ever since they started sticking giant LCD screens on the interiors.
@Plant Seed
Totally agree
They look so tacky and already dated like a 1970s disco with strobe lighting and an afterthought iPad stuck in the middle of the dash
lol
Yuck!
That's the thing. After a few years they all look dated and out of place. For example, when the W220 came out the MBUX looked amazing. Now it's looks terrible and it keeps repeating itself. Where as these classics they just look timeless and age gracefully. I always put it this way, will you see any Mercedes after the W221 CL on the roads after 10 years from production? Nope. They will all be scrapped and recycled
@@nadk8886 they also are made to be 'thrown away'.
The quality of an old Mercedes Benz versus a new one is laughable.
Actually that's the same with pretty much all new cars
Feel the carpet 🤣🤣 it's like moulded plastic
Luxury nowadays means you have cheap acrylic instead of moulded plastic carpet
It's pretty pathetically tragic actually
More orange peel in car paint than an actual orange peel. This was unheard of years ago 🤣🤣
@@Nthstar 😂😂😂 That's completely true. And they are made to break down with too many sensors so they can make money from service. Also all 'new shapes' look the same. You can't tell the difference between the E or S class, or even the S Class coupe...
My daily is a w140 95 S320, been my daily for a year now. 90s mercs are timeless and will never go out of style.
I’m in an E86 at the moment but I’ve always fancied an SL500/SL600 (R129)!
Recently purchased a R129 SL500, deadly car, will be swapping the engine over to a 5.5 engine, as my SL has the M113, its pretty much plug n play
@@BobBenz55 ah that sounds very appealing if it's plug and play, do you know what the rough cost would be to do it?
@@tenan757 doing it all my self fella, already done my w124 coupe swap with a AMG 3.6 engine, that was pretty much plug n play. Got like 14 Mercs 😬 so I do
Loads my self and with the right tools very easy to maintain these cars. 👍
I'm driving my 3rd E... 2 E300... now an E320 and I'm eyeing a low mileage E430... all are pre- 2001. It takes a bit of searching and watching adds but they're out there. Great cars, a joy to drive and easy to live with. Thanks for the review... great subject.
These are great for motorway cruising but because of the weight are sluggish and wander. Great quality build as well.
They don't wander if the bushings are good.
A classic car and a drive around Hereford, you even passed my house! What could be better.
Make sure to wave next time :)
From the era Mercedes really had it. I prefer the pre facelift version
I daily drive a 1991 W124 300D with a 5-speed manual. What a car that is! Rock solid, confortable, reliable. I couldn't really ask anything else from it...
Old mercs... So cool
This car is a classic touring car, so comfortable and lovely to drive. Our one was written off by a chap who lost control and crashed into our parked E320 Coupe. I husband is still recovering 10 years later.
Yes yes yes yes everything you say here is bang on.