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Sorry kiddo, you lost me when you completely skipped the Bitcoin boom during the 10 series and Nvidia first got their taste of that miner money. Since that time it's been Nvidia looking for the next great cash cow and abandoning their gamer roots, not that the 1080ti was "too good." 😂😂😂
As a lifelong Nvidia user, I couldn't stomach the 12 GB of Vram for $800 in the 4070 ti, so I switched to AMD and got the 7900 xt for cheaper. I was worried at first because people told me bad things about AMD drivers, especially because I mainly play early access, beta, and alpha games. I've had zero issues, couldn't be happier with my choice.
Yes , I have an asus 7900 xtx tuf oc. 0 issues since January. Idk ppl really do live in the past, and sometime they can't accept the fact that 40s are a bs gen.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Right now I'm pondering about replacing my rtx2070 (non-super) with an rx 7900 xt. The whole 40 series doesn't seem to be a useful option.
Same, I've used mostly Nvidia products most of my life, I bought a Powercolor 7900 XT (Grabbed an Amazon "warehouse" deal for $704 total! only thing wrong was the box was beat up!😁) couldn't be happier, this Nvidia generation is a joke and shows how much they could care less about the people who made and supported their company. This 7900 XT is a beast of a GPU and I'm happily gaming at max settings on all my games.
@@c0d3warrior Prime Day is right around the corner and you might be able to find a really good deal on one then. If you do decide to get one make sure you download DDU to fully wipe the Nvidia drivers from your computer. It seems like a lot of people don't do that, and then complain when they are having driver issues because Nvidia and AMD drivers are both in their system and it can cause conflicts.
I bought a 4070 as an upgrade from my 2070 super when it came out and ended up returning it to buy an Amazon warehouse MSI 6950xt for $100 less than the 4070. The only thing I preferred about the 4070 was the fan noise/heat was less. I am much happier with the 6950xt performance.
NVidia knows that their 50 series cannot possibly have much faster processors so they're gimping the memory now so that they can use memory to improve the 50 series later.
@@ErockOnTech Do you by any chance assume that they are possibly intentionally bottlenecking their gpus with memory and by doing so leaving number of cuda on board wasted? XDD But wait, you just posted a video where its obvious that your stance is that Nvidia is greedy. But now, you suspect that they may be leaving some $ wasted. lol FYI There is something called l2 cache that is very expensive and that has immensely enlarged on 40 series. This difference in l2 cache more than makes up for one tier difference in gddr6 bandwidth (say 256 to 192bit). Shame that you never mentioned it. For experiment you can overclock vram to see that there is same level of gain as with ampere cards. 40 series are not vram caped!
I don't think so. By increasing L2 Cache they are testing if and how much it can keep up with the real performance since they are relying much on frame gen and dlss 3. The next gen will be the final nail in the coffin trying to sell fake frames unless they stop this schizophrenia now.
The 50 series will pry be a much smaller jump in raw performance due to 4 to 3nm. They'll make up for it will a lot of new tech like texture compression and a hardware denoiser plus dlss 4.
I bought 4070 but upgraded 1080ti, not 3070. That's mainly because prices dropped back to ~$600 which is acceptable. Performance is defenitely better by a lot, but in RL not that much especially on 1080p, still there are few pros you didn't mention. First 3070 is DDR6 while 4070 is DDR6X which makes a significant difference. Still the best "feature" of 4070 is the low power consumption and the small size. For casual gamers size and power consumptions are actually quite a big problem that comes out and makes them spend extra money just to have the card upgrade. And also the best part is that 4070 works exactly the same with PCI 3.0 which means you don't need to upgrade your motherboard too. So I find 4070 the best choice for casual gamers at the moment.
I’m not a tech savvy guy, but this is probably the most reasonable video I’ve seen from a tech youtuber. Very straight to the point, bring up context, reality check and some facts. Saved up some money to upgrade my 3070 to 4090, cheers.
One of the reason 1080TI was so powerful is because Raja lied about the VEGA 64 performance before it comes out in which in turn makes Nvdia response with the best card that they can make and also at reasonably price.
Yep you can make the same argument Nvidia was afraid of the 7000 series you gotta think the 6000 series dang near caught Nvidia and they panicked even though amd dropped the high end 7000 series on its head I think it’s the same logic
@@ErockOnTechAnd that's good, the 1080 TI is proof that competition is what gives us the best stuff, that's where we badly need Intel to compete on at the same level, so the three companies are always trying to give us the best products at the best prices because they know the consumer can and will switch to the competition. People are angry at Nvidia for the price gouging, but they keep buying their cards and they gouged us this bad because they have the biggest market share. Fortunately consumers are now retaliating thus the overall low sales of the 40 series.
@@ErockOnTechthat said I feel like AMD has a chance to gain a lot of market share with cards that can match some of 40 series just with more Vram and decent prices. It’s been awhile since Nvidia armor has been chinked like this, maybe since the the FX series.
I have a 980ti lying around. It was effictively the best card money could buy for a whole generation for 700€. Now we are at 2k€ so it nearly tripled in 8 years. Absolutely ridiculous.
@@aeroflopper i went from 980ti to 1080ti. it was worth the upgrade to hit those framerates in games like Witcher 3 and everything else. these generations aren't as clear cut with the games being worth it or not. Balder's Gate 3 will run great on a 980ti today.
What you said about the 4070 (not Ti) really stands true for me. The $600 price tag on it fit within my budget and gave me the performance I wanted. Granted, this is on my first ever self-built desktop, so it was a major jump from my 3060 laptop but it wasn't an "upgrade" in the same sense as if I had been upgrading a desktop card.
I just went from an asus 4070 to a gigabyte 4070ti and the next day after the 4070ti a 4090 and I can say the 4070 is a great card for the money On a 60hz 4k monitor I had absolutely no issues running any game I play at max settings @4k and always stayed at 60fps So the 4090 was a waste of money until my new monitor gets here
@@chevybr12 What I love about it is that it performs well but at low power and without generating tons of heat. So while I built my PC with a 5700 XT, not even the higher quality card fans were good enough to prevent throttling unless they were going full blast, which was insufferable anyway. I had to downclock and downvolt it, which might be how it got bricked not long ago. Now I have my 4070 that just works, and even has one less connector allowing me to add another fan at the bottom (all bottom row connectors on the PSU are now free). Shit doesn't overheat, doesn't get too noisy, and I'll even get a lower electricity bill out of it. And it should last until the rest of my rig is outdated anyway.
OP, couldn't you have bought a 3080 for the same price as a 4070? The 3080 would have performed better in most scenarios except 4k ray tracing due to the memory limitations(assuming 3080 10gb) except if you have the 12gb version. The 3080 is the better card for the money in gaming benchmarks as it is only a tiny bit slower than a 4070ti. No one should be buying 40 series cards, they all suck for their MSRP pricing.
I bought a 4090 recently simply because I couldn't wait anymore. I used to have a 1060 which I cruised on for a very, very long time. I had wanted to upgrade for a long time but every time I felt like I needed to upgrade the consensus everywhere was "wait for the next...", 20-series was first-gen raytracing with barely any support and not good performance, 30-series was scalped and inflated price, 40-series is extremely expensive with many cards being lackluster, too. I noticed more and more I was having my hobby ruined by waiting, and waiting and waiting for cards that might never ever come again, so I just bit the bullet. Sure, I am down 2k but at least I can now happily continue my hobby without the constant headache I experienced.
4090 is literally a performance serial killer so W on the purchase Many people wait but they never realize they will never get what they want by waiting 🗣️🤣☠️
Thank you for the history run-down on Nvidia cards! Found it incredibly interesting. I’m a new PC owner and I’m building my first PC ever tomorrow. I went above and beyond with the components and worked very hard to get them. My wife has been a sensational support system, I couldn’t have done it without her. All that’s left is the 4090 which I’m finally purchasing tomorrow, the price had me saving and working extra hard with DoorDash on the side. I’m looking forward to gaming, music/video editing and some AI generating. Getting into things I didn’t think I’d get into just for the fun and I can’t begin to explain how liberating it is to finally acquire this much needed computer and just have fun chasing my hearts desires. PUMPED!
@DirtRider999 yes! It’s AWESOME! I posted a clip of it on my page. Took me an entire day to build and set all my drivers up, but I’m so proud I got it done. Sensational PC 🔥✨
I tuned in to listen to your info on the RTX 4070. Originally, I was going to get the 4060ti for the 16 gb ram but everyone said don't do it. So I watched a video on price to performance comparison, within my price range and ended up debating the 4070 vs the 6950. I ended up staying with the 4070 and not trying to go higher pretty much for every reason you pointed out about the 4070. And, yeah, with limited money, the 4070 pretty much felt like the best I could do. So, here's living proof that you're right. :) Thanks for the info reviews.
I disagree about the 50 series being cheaper. They could just drop the price on the 40 series, but they are choosing not to. They have determined that the future lies in AI, so they will continue to ignore their gaming market. Sadly, AMD has not been able really increase market share, which would have woken them up.
Had AMD gone with an aggresive pricing strategy instead of "being slightly cheaper and hoping that's enough" they could have crushed nvidia this gen. 7600 at 250. 7900 xt at 650. xtx at 800. 7700/7800 for 350/499 respectively. Just completely dominate at all price points, ignoring ray tracing. That would make AMD's offerings compelling. That would have been a killer move. Instead, they overpriced them (900 and 1k for 7900 xt/xtx) to appear "cheaper" while being "better" than the 4080 at 1200. Because why sell 1000 GPUS with ~$50-100 profit margins when you can sell 1 with $300+ margin? Sure, more per card, but you're selling significantly fewer cards.
Ahhh yes another nVidia fanboy hoping AMD slashes prices so he can buy cheeper nVidia. No what AMD are doing is fine. The issue is that most people are like you and for AMD to crush their cards had to be 10% faster with lowered energy consumption. Non of you woud buy it otherwise.
@@HackedGlitch265 AMD has better profit margins than nVidia and this will continue to increase due to their architecture. Same thing happened with their Ryzen architecture. 7000 series is in reality the gpu version of Zen1. They have no interest in lowering the price as nVidia can't go 4 nm lower like with the 4000 series to simulate a massive jump to performance. And at those prices AMD is getting more money per card a couple of more cards sold would not matter to them as they already know that half of the nVidia fanboys won't buy their product if it's not waaay better or cheaper.
I see things changing. Ive always had the new whatever nvida puts out, back since like the voodo vs nvida days. I skipped the 40 series and might look at considering the titan but I'm about to definitely build a 7900xtx for my living room. I just can't make up my mind on the rest of the components.
Besides the high prices of new GPUs, one of the biggest reasons a lot people don't just run out and buy one is because, to support it, they would also need a larger case, higher capacity power supply, and a new motherboard with top-gen PCIe slot to get the full GPU bandwidth, and the new MB may then require a new CPU and new RAM. If you do all that, Windoze will probably want a new license too. So yeah, a whole new computer to support the new card. Those high-end GPUs aren't stand-alone items.
This!!! I've been using 3070 for the past almost 3 years and this is why I feel like switching to a 4xxxx GPU will be a huuuuge hassle... I'm literally lazy for it plus unexpected other expenses. Probably getting a built 5xxx rig will be easier when they are released.
@@babblebabble My flatmate is in the exact same situation. He almost bought the 4070ti, but then realized he would be severely CPU limited, but it's a 9th gen so if he went with 12-13th gen, would need a new motherboard, etc...
40 series are for people building new computers, its a nice upgrade but its just like phones, the 15 is better for people coming from an xr, not for people with a 14 to upgrade immedietly.
I just got a package deal, 32 gb of DDR5, Asus prime Z790 motherboard, and I9-12900k for $399. Bought a deepcool ak630 for $50 and was able to reuse my case and power supply. So for 450 dollars I was able to still use my 1070 AND prepared myself to future proof my setup for when I could get a newer card. I JUST bought the 4070 and I LOVE it
Recently switched to team red. I'm really pleased with the performance of my 7900 XTX. It performs better than a 4080 for $200 less (although ray tracing is more at a 4070 level). AMD has done an outstanding job in offering a competitive price-to-performance ratio. I understand that NVIDIA has its own set of advantages (TDP is better, for example), but for my needs, AMD has been a great fit. No issues with bad drivers or excessive heat in 4K gaming and the Adrenalin software is awesome!
Any sane person should have this logic. I went without even thinking twice with 7900xtx, I did had the chance to get 4090 instead but even I have morals... I ended up 7800x3d + 7900xtx + MSI Tomahawk. Cant be happier. So glad I did not spend over $1000 more for i91300k + 4090. Those extra money I spend on other goods like gen 5 SSD T700, a 4k 160mhz monitor, a much better case Lian Li Evo.... etc.
@@ivanrusev9464 I was going to get a 4090 but they're nearly over 2 grand usd right now, how is your 7900xtx on 4k? I've got a i712700k cpu right now and wil be going to 1440p until I get a 4k monitor at a lower price. Will the 7900xtx be fine at this point in my build?
@@ivanrusev9464 Enjoy your RAM stability issues. The X3D's are TERRIBLE with that. Go to JayzTwoCents for a video he did on it recently, made him switch teams to Intel because of it. There's people sounding off the comments about it, like a lot of them. AMD has firmware/software issues, it's not even up for debate. Maybe you can live with them, I can't.
I think people forget that it's not just about gaming, the people who buy nvidia are essentially people who work in content creation, editing, 3d, etc. And in these areas the 40 series is just monstrous compared to its predecessor. Unfortunately, there are very few channels that talk about these fields, since most of the views are generated by the gaming community...
Yeah except NVIDA's life blood for the past 2 decades + has been gamers. There are far less VR, AI, and content makers. So people are mad because NVIDIA is focusing on the smallest sect of PC users. And kicking their largest base in the head. Kinda like making political policy based on less than 1% of the population
The biggest irony of the 4000 series release. Nvidia did themselves a disservice and forced people to start thinking "DO I need to upgrade" Which should always be a valid question, not just upgrading because a new line is released. They had a lot of people stuck in the habit of just buying the new one, because its new..
I feel like they just cane out of limbo. Havin a 1080 woth 8gb there was simply no reason to upgrade to nvidias new cards until rtx 4000. cause only top of the line 3000 had 12gb. Ordered myself a 4070 TI super now.
I love the idea of the 4060, to be an achievable upgrade for everyone who’s on a 9 10 or 16 series. It’s a real shame they didn’t make it 12 GB for a little more $, that would have been perfect.
@@JGComments it’s basically an energy efficient and higher vram 3070. Honestly, even a bit faster usually than a 3070. People hate on the idea of spending money on it like I did. I wanted tons of vram. I do more than game and I don’t need a 4090 at this time. It’s not a bad card at all. It is just expensive, but If you think it fits your needs than get one man. Frame gen is pretty cool. Dlss is really good. CUDA and VRAM workloads are great. It’s still the cheapest 16 gig nvidia product around tbh I tried 165hz battlefield 2042. 120hz 1440 max resident evil 4 remake with RT. Don’t let other people tell you how to spend your money haha sorry for the rant.
@@born2serve92 Well, if you actually use the 16 GB good for you. But for gaming it doesn't seem to help much at the moment and isn't worth the increased cost.
I had my computer die mid-projects. I ruled out my OS SSD, and suspected it was my motherboard failing or maybe my Ram, but it was old with a 2070 and i9-9900k so instead of troubleshooting and getting parts that I'd soon have to replace anyways, I decided to do a full upgrade to a 4090 and i9-13900k and it's been a beast for my editing.
After running my 3060Ti for the last three years which is still a good card, I completely bypassed the 40' series altogether and got myself a 6950XT instead. Combined with a 5950x, there's nothing quite like it. Amazing performance👍
I have to agree, my 3060Ti has been more than enough to be honest! The only reason I'm pondering maybe a 4070ti is because the other half wants something a little more than her current 1660 super so it would be two birds with one stone so to say lol
Yeah but no RT or DLSS, plus that card runs a 335w TDP as opposed to 200w for the 4070. They're not really comparable products & its dumb to see AMD pulling an Intel move & going for brute force over efficient draw.
@@adamgroszkiewicz814 Raytracing is still overrated for video game designs, any good game programmer and designer will optimise their games to as much scope of PC builds from recent 3-4 generations if not older and still able to deliver the best of gaming experiences without relying to fancy schmancy visual fidelity features, besides you're comparing TDP of RX 6950 XT and RTX 4070 which have massive gap of rasterizing performance and 4070 is still loosing in terms of 4K gaming in which it's on the blame of the game developers for their aforementioned terrible optimisation So RT and DLSS is still a terrible selling points as the caveats are still numerous, not to mention that unless you're into the level of 4080ti/4090, emulation and open source sides got worse in lower class of 40 cards even compared to previous 30 series of Nvidia's own comparisons too, the TDP is still understandable either so I don't get your point Most of the best recent games are indie anyway, AAA side that sells these RT/DLSS modes are became joke in today's gaming community and consumer sides, not to mention on my personal terms, most of recent game designs stops being sexy (in terms of escapism) so those visual fidelity breakthroughs doesn't really hold personal importance to me and many other people lol
This is a great a super logical explanation of the pros and cons of the Nvidia 40 series cards! Seeing the price to performance like this makes it much easier to make a decision what to buy or to skip the whole 40 series.
Really glad to have found your channel. I've been trying to figure out which graphic cards would be the better buy in the future. I had my first gamer Cyberpower pc built with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 back around the end of 2015, only to realize that I could have waited a few more months for the 1080ti. As luck would have it my pc was doing an update to the drivers wouldn't power on at the end of December 2022. Computer tech wouldn't confirm the issue as software related, CPU, or motherboard related, unless I paid with my 1st born child. So, I eventuallyI bought a hp victus i7-12700f with integrated Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060ti (for less than $1k) to have a working pc. Feel like no matter how much I try to research I am always a step or 2 behind. Hoping to learn a lot so that I am not easily manipulated, as I am still determined to rebuild my 1st gamer pc with the necessary hardware upgrades. Thank you for some great info regarding the current graphic cards! I really gotta learn this stuff.
I understand it can be complicated for sure. I’m here to help! I also have a discord which is free to join. Everyone in there loves talking about this stuff and helping out where possible.
As someone who ALWAYS bought nvidia, I bought a marked up 3080 for $900. Two years later, the direct generational upgrade was another $300+ more then what I overpaid for originally. I didn’t care how much more performance the 4080 gave, increasing the MSRP +70% was insulting. I took a chance and bought an openbox XTX for $899 and I’m going toe to toe with the 4080 in lots of the games I like to play (and sometimes I’ll even play a game of CoD just to get my fix on 4090 performance lol). It’s going to take a lot for Nvidia to chance my perception of them now.
fr i finally jumped ship to amd simply bc of the prices. the 7600 (the highest tier amd card i can get with my budget) is better than a 3060 (by like 15% in terms of fps. i dont play triple a stuff so i dont need 12 gigs of vram) and is like 40 bucks cheaper. if the prices werent so insane i would still be using nvidia bc thats just what ive always used lol
You paid $900 just to go a single generation upwards? It's your money, but it's insane to think that people don't wait at least 3 generations before upgrading, especially with a high class GPU like a 3080.
@@2hotflavored666 yup just like a bunch of people did the same why would we wait 3 gen for a gpu lol the games aren't going to wait around. Games are becoming more hardcore to run let me know how Star Field runs on your 3 gen old GPU
I got the GB 4070 TI aero. Got it because it's a beautiful card and it's not as big as the 4090. I am very happy with it. Makes my all-white computer look amazing.
Given how poorly 40 series cards have been received, I do believe Nvidia will launch a Super series later this year or early next year (like the 20 series) and try and improve the price to performance situation. The 4080 level of performance needs to come down to 899, 4070Ti to 599, 4070 to 499, 4060Ti 16GB to 399 and 4060 to 249, at the very least. AMD 7900 series has seen some good price drops recently, and a 7900XT 20GB at 649 and 7900XTX 24GB at 799 would be decent/competitive offerings with a lot of VRAM being offered at those price points compared to Nvidia.
@@stefanaraharijaona324 If the stock was clearing (meaning they could sell it all at the current pricing structure), then why would they bother with the Super series. The only reason 20 series Super series was released was because of bad sales for the original 20 series cards. But this is all just speculation on my part, who knows what Nvidia will do.
The problem is...they expected low demands beforehand and didn't go bonkers with their inventory either due to market normalizing again and or due to their plans of jacking up the prices.
That's never going to happen because of inflation. 249 dollars in 2016 isn't the same in 2023. These prices are locked in for years to come. Getting future cards at msrp will be your best bet...second hand market will inflate the market even more.
I purchased a 3060 12Gb OC Ed. for just over $300, but the only other card I had available was a ca ~2012 AMD 1Gb GDDR5 Radeon card. In this instance, the overall performance increase w the 3060 absolutely demolishes the AMD card I have.... So, I thought that was a solid deal. BUT! The only card that I'd upgrade to from here right now would be the 4090. The 3060 12Gb plays everything I've thrown at it fairly well...(?) I suppose I could take a stack of $100 bills & go buy the 4090, but those $100 bills are also used to light my daily indulgence in a fine handcrafted Cuban cigar.... So, I don't know if I could bring myself to ruin ~16 days worth of fine Cuban Cigars lit by an assortment of lower face value bills! ....Maybe I could try burning other things of value to light my Cuban Cigars? I might have to try out a flaming Picasso or something like that I suppose; no guarantees though!
Same here upgraded my 1st gen i7/ gtx 700 something rig after over a decade... to 13600k/3060 12 gig... mid 2023. At this pace I think I be set to wait for launch of 60 series or maybe even 70 series with Intel 20th gen... lmao...
I'm totally with you on these, except, from other research I've done personally, it seems like NVidia has accounted for some of the reduction in memory bandwidth by increasing the Cache from the 30 series to 40 series for the 60 and 70 series. At the same time, I ask myself, why didn't NVidia give the 4060s and 4070s at least the same memory cache as the 4080s? Surely, that is not a significant cost increase...but would have been a nice boost to reading memory on those cards.
Nvidia's cache just isn't cutting it, it's one of their weaker points in the architecture. Cache is a notoriously bad thing to add to any chip in this day and age, as it benefits very little from advanced nodes. An 4nm cache isn't twice as good as an 8nm cache, it's barely double digits. AMD somehow pulled it off with their cache, but even they shrunk theirs. Cache on chips to compensate generally only cost space and money unless done right.
I got my 4070 around a month ago for 600$ and so far I do like it (specially coming from a cheap PC that was running a 580 nitro). I wouldn't pay 800 for it, but for 600 I feel like it does the job pretty fine
Great job! My son in law just purchased a 4070ti, So I decided to do some research and see what card to get for my self. I honesty think I will wait and see what the 5000 series will bring. !m still rocking a 2080 super. I just actually took it apart and cleaned it last night, since the fans were making some noises. I never understood why the negative always shines through, but I always struggled to get nice things. Once my wife received her back pay on her disability we bought some really nice gaming PC's that was 3.5 years ago. She passed away last year in a car accident. To wrap it up I really enjoy this video, I also watched LinusTT video, but yours made my decision, Thank you.
A lot of people are giving rational takes. Nvidia since 2000 series has given less and less performance jumps vs the previous generation for more money. Not a good trend.
@@MrMali22 Yes, I meant the ones with angry rants like GPU pricing were some life or death matter. And like Nvidia, AMD or any large commersial entity would somehow owe us something substantial. They are free to proceed how they see fit and us customers can vote with our wallets. No need to get angry about it. Though someone like GN catching the big players for their occasional lies is a great thing.
@tkermi oh OK I got you. Yeah I don't watch or read the really irritational ones like a business is going to sell at what people are buying for. You don't buy it prices come down. I blame the consumers buying it more than anything. And yeah GN is my number one trusted. I'm rebuilding right now and almost bought Asus boards until GN and Jay brought them to the light
I'm still running a GTX1070, good card. But I really wanted to upgrade for years and started saving money for that in 2018, over a year before CoViD. First came the 20 series, which sucked, so I decided not to upgrade. Then came the pandemic and the chip shortage, so I decided to wait again. Then came the war in Ukraine. I live in central Europe, so I waited some more because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to keep living here. Now I have saved up a lot of money and my GTX 1070 is really starting to get old. I don't want to wait any more until the 50s series comes out, just because its price/performance MIGHT be better. I am already set on buying a 4080 this year and have 5 years worth of money saving to show that I'm not just some rich kid. True, the price/performance being bad is a bummer, but let's be honest. Ever since the chip shortage, all electronic components have always been horribly overpriced.
There’s always a better GPU on the horizon. Thankfully, the 4080 is excellent. It’s energy efficient, quiet, cool and has enough VRAM to last many years. I love my MSI Suprim X variant paired with my 3440x1440 monitor and will use it until the 7000 series.
Hi! Thank you very much for this video - I watched it whole and it gave me great and thorough insight into the 40 series. However, at the end some questions arose - where would you go from 1070 today? Until I have watched your video I thought about 4070/4070Ti, but now I am not so sure - maybe better choice would be to go for used 3080 (with warranty of course) which can be found in good money (similar to new 4060ti) on my domestic market and then just wait for what 50 series will bring?
The most amazing thing about the 4090 is that you can undervolt it or just put a power limit on it and it'll run pretty much the same as stock. Mine won't pull more than 250W at peak and it's giving me stock performance, it's actually amazing! Happy to see you're getting sponsors man, well deserved!
You might be having a bottleneck because 250w is way too low for the 4090 even with undervolting. Are you sure that it's actually boosting to the correct boost frequency when its at 99-100% utilization?
@@tmkongen Putting "worth" is true xD. altough it being the most powerfull on the market rn is also true. i can see it holding that spot for quite some time too, as the other companies would have to upgrade quite a lot to catch up.
I purchased the 4070 on launch because I had nothing having waited for about a year without a GPU. If I could, I would have sat this generation out as I believe the 40 and 70 series cards were initially designed with crypto sales in mind. However having gone without, last summer and Christmas I decided the 4070 was my best option to not miss yet another summer wiith an empty space in my PC. Yes the 4070 Is over priced by fifty to a hundred dollars, but I've never built a pc where something wasn't over priced by that amount.Whether that be ram, motherboard etc so I pulled the trigger and finally the wait was over. Am I happy? More like relieved but the performance is awesome and I can get on with other things tech related instead of being obsessed with GPU prices as I have been for over a year. Pheew 😊.
I think you made the right decision and I get it entirely. So many other people were in your position as well. They sold GPUs to get ready for the 30 series and then no one could get a 30 series card. Then they were without a GPU altogether. It was a rough time for sure.
I understand, bro, you dont have to justify it to anyone. Is the GPU letting you play the games you wanna play? Or edit the videos you wanna render? or whatever it is that you use your PC for? Thats all that matters :)
@@ShowMeYourLizardFace Yep.. I wanted to purchase a 6800xt before Christmas, but they were retailing here in the UK at over £600. With occasional special offers just below that. Even now that card is insane here.. And the 4070 actually came out at MSRP I paid £589 for mine.
Thank you for making this video, i watched all the way through, like well deserved. Very nice to see everything layed out so nicely and hope to see this kind of video for the 50 series. This make me cautious of the 40 series but informed enough to know what card will suit my build.
I won a GTX 980 on release day September 2014. Nvidia hosted Game24 worldwide. Got it and an entire Maingear PC from Indianapolis. At the time I was pretty exclusively using Nvidia GPU's so of course I was on cloud 9. EVEN with such a great personal memory from this, I have stuck with AMD GPU's the last few years. 5700 XT -> 6800 XT -> 7900XTX. RDNA and RDNA2 definitely had a fair amount of bugs in their drivers. I would get random graphical glitches in regular desktop / TH-cam streaming loads, but gaming was always just fine for me. Living on RDNA3 now and paired with a R9 7900X, it's been one hell of a good ride for the little bit of gaming I still get to do
The 3080 and 3060 Ti were really great cards. With the 4000 series did not deliver any of this value, in fact often it is not on the same level. There is a lot of gap between 3000 series cards and the 4090, which Nvidia could have filled in much better. The 4090 stands out as odd. Add in AMD and the only real advantage Nvidia has is DLSS 3, a feature in a few games and at lower spec GPUs I'm not sure it really adds much. I was lucky to have the spare cash to move from a 3080 that I played at 1440p UW to a 4090.. I then had to upgrade my system and monitor just to keep up with it and switched to 4k. You can't simply upgrade to a 4090 :)
Yet he mention using old case as con for getting 4090. 😄 Where i live you would have hard time finding a case that cant fit a 4090, even the $25 one that i use as a test bench has a spare room. But atleast you would expect anyone buying this beast to give it enough honor to build entire new PC for it. I already had LG C1 48 inch for a year and also since im pc builder as a job i just have all kinds of high end hardware sitting around so i was just waiting for queen gpu to take full advantage of it.
@@filippetrovic845 My case is a beQuiet 500Dx and previously had had 3080 AIB cards in, so was longish and the FE4090 fitted okay. I did change the front 280mm Freezer II rad for a 240 top mounted one as I didn't think it would fit, but it would have. The 5800x3d I have does very nicely on the 240 Freezer II. In fact the temps of the 4090 are a lot lower (like it mostly stays under 60C) than the FE 3080 I was using just before (that's a hot card). I got an LG C2 48" :) Love it, and got it after the 4090.
I just upgraded from the 3060 to the 4070 ti and love it so far got the 4070 ti for 800$ felt like it was good price and so extremely impressed with it.
Thanks for a great and very informative video man ! Im considering upgrading my 2070 super to 4070 ti super..would it be worth the upgrade? A nice bump up in performance?
Thank you for pointing out how easy it is to forget timeline. We all have "malleable memory", and change our views over time without even realising it. However, that 50 series... I'm not entirely sure it will ever arrive. Through the 30 series, nVidia made a fortune selling to miners. And even though gaming GPUs might have built their business in the past, they are now creaming big money from AI chips, while the 40 series crashes and burns with poor sales. So, why would nVidia even bother trying to win back gamers with a "better" 50 series, when it already has the next big earner in hand? Gaming GPUs are simply not a big enough profit earner anymore, since gamers won't pay the new asking prices.
Thanks for all the useful info. After about 30 years of console gaming, I only just entered the world of PC gaming last November. Bought a gaming laptop with an NVidia 3060 Laptop GPU. Huge difference from my PS4 Pro to say the least, however, it definitely gave me a desire to delve a little deeper into the possibilities of building my own gaming PC. Similar to how your buddy worked 2 jobs to get his GPU, I'm thinking of going the Johnny Cash route and getting my components 'one piece at a time' until I can build a high end gaming rig. Sure some components may not be the best of the best by the time I'm done (It'll probably take about a half year min), but the end result will still be a big step up from my 3060 laptop and a massive leap from the PS4. Either way, this was very insightful video and, as I'm in no hurry to begin building the PC, I may look into how long I would have to wait for the 50 series cards while a try to educate myself a little more on the subject.
I did the same thing when I built my first pc back in 2017. I bought mine piece by piece over the course of 6 months via sales from newegg & amazon. Managed to save $200 buying them on sale. Ryzen 1700 /w cooler, gtx 1080, b350 motherboard, 16gb of ram, 750w gold psu, & a pc case for $1400. I made some upgrades since then in 2018-2020 & added 1tb m.2 nvme, 1440p 140hz monitor, keyboard, + mouse, & 6 rgb fans for $970. So about $2370 total + tax. The only upgrade I'm considering atm is a 2tb m.2
@@b4rs629 the good ol' gtx 1080, I had a gtx 1070 until recently (got a good deal on a 3060 ti) and I still believe that 1000 series of cards was the best value
Hey just watched an was very informative appreciate your time explaining the value an comparaisons between 30 an 40 series. I have a gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Eagle can you recommend a great upgrade for 4K gaming
Bought RTX4070 for first gaming pc build, coming from GTX1050 laptop . It might not be the best CP value graphic card out there , but I'm happy with it.
I upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 4060 ti OC (12GB VRAM), so the performance upgrade I got is massive. It's all relative. I'm completely happy with the upgrade, no complaints. 😃
@@shapourdashtpour63 Basically, you can't play on ultra settings with ray tracing at 4K and get good frame rates. You might have to lower or adjust some settings and compromise to get a performance that's acceptable to you. For example, Resident Evil 8 on ultra, 4K will struggle to give you 30 fps. I personally game at 1440, so this card is pretty good at those resolutions. I bought mine like a month before Nvidia announced their Super line of cards. If I had a choice, I would've shelled out another $100 and got one of those instead.
I purchased my first pre-built gaming PC and it came with a 3070 8gb. I know learned that 8gb v-ram is not enough. However, jumping from a PS4 Pro to this is a night and day difference and I’m very happy with it. I now learned what to look for when I buying or building a PC in the future.
Yeah 8GB isn't m7ch today....but if you learn to blend fps with graphics settings you can have some beautiful gaming experiences......I have a RX7600 8GB....
Great analysis, liked and subscribed. Some additional points - just replaced my son's GTX1060 with a RTX 4070 and my GTX1660 with the same, and this as you say due to disappointment with the 4060Ti/4060 offerings which we waited for, lack of RAM yes but also having only 8 lanes of PCIe, both our motherboards are PCIe3, and this would hit performance by about another 8-10% if running at half the speed of PCIe4 with only 8 lanes. And the current price of motherboards makes it an uneconomic upgrade, worth splashing on the 4070 instead. That's why I didn't wait out for the 16gb 4060Ti, it would still have have 8 lane issue, bad design choice from nVidia. But there's three other issues behind why I stuck nVidia, despite being an AMD CPU fan - driver support, I can get still get fresh drivers for an old GTX680 from 2012 but I can't get any Win11 drivers for a Radeon R9 380 (2015) for example, AMD have a long history of short driver support compared to nVidia (my first Radeon was the ATI Rage Pro 8mb (1996) and first nVidia was the TNT2 M64 32mb (1999) so and it has always been so!) Another point not being widely commented on - currency devaluation has been massive through the pandemic, so that when I bought a GTX 1070 for £400 back in 2016, that is equivalent to around £550 worth now. So paying £590-£600 for a 4070 is not nearly as bad as it looks at first. Finally, the power efficiency on these 4nm nVidia cards is so much better, and we've just been through an energy crisis with astronomic energy costs in the UK, and there's a significant saving to be had especially for heavy gamers. Not to mention that thing called climate change! I did think hard about upgrading to a 30xx series card, but who wants to pay good money for 3 year old tech, I wouldn't be upgrading if I owned one, but for those who've held off during the crypto madness, these new cards do make sense. (My other son saved hard to upgrade his GTX 1080Ti to a RTX4080 and loves it, good value or not). Looking forward to your future videos.
I build my PC in 2019 a bit before shit hit the fan so to speak, I have a Desktop, with an I7 8700 16GB RAM and a 1070. Alongside other expenses such as a monitor, keyboard, etc, It costed like 1100 in total, right now i'm quite content with my system, but i'm annoyed I can't get 1440 with decent frame rates in games (which makes sense) I'm wondering how long should I hold out until I should consider upgrading / building a new system?
RTX 40 returns are the way to go... just buy a brand with a lax warranty policy like ASUS or MSI, and you're set. Got my RTX 4070Ti for $620 from an Amazon Return. At that price it's a heck of a card!
@@MitchellTheMitch Buy from Amazon Warehouse, where all the used (usually returned) items go. And you buy a brand that will still honor the warranty even though you weren't the original buyer, so if in case it fails prematurely you can get warranty repair or replacement.
@@MitchellTheMitch Just like @PURENT said. MSI, ASUS and EVGA are the ones I can, by experience, say will honor warranty without much questions. None of them require a proof of purchase, and will in that case just measure the warranty period by when the item left their factory. Gigabyte, ZOTAC and most Radeon manufacturers suck at this, and will only honor the warranty if an invoice with your name is provided.
@emp1985 fellow 38ish year old, maybe I should have gone this route. I paid 609 for a 4070 oc which is only a pinch more mhz then a 4070 and you could probably overclock a regular 4070 anyways. But the TI definitely had some perks. I imagine sometimes you would strike out with an open box though? Maybe for example it had a slight fan whine that original buyer didn't like. Looks like you got a winner. I usually skimp on the card and splurge on the processor.
@@ayliniemi Right, there's still some risk like minor issues like a bad fan, or cosmetic damage... but if it comes with an issue outside of your expectation/tolerance, it's an Amazon Return away from resolution :)
I feel like the 4070 is so close to being an actually great card. If it was $50-$100 cheaper and/or had 16gb of vram, preferably both, I think it’d be much more positively received. It’d essentially be a modern featured 3080 that’s smaller, draws 2/3 the power, has more vram, and costs $150-$200 less. That feels like a genuinely great spot for it
I have just started researching the parts needed for a gaming pc. What is the recommended GPU for intermediate gaming? And this will be my first pc built. Any advice?
4070 is the only card at Nvidia's stack that actually feels not too bad to buy for $570. It offers more performance per dollar than any other 4000 series cards. It has 12gb vram which is not great but at least it's not 8gigs right? It runs under 200 watts and provides roughly the same performance as 3080 does. Maybe slightly slower but hey it doesn't pull 320 watts. 4070ti doesn't make as much sense because it's only about 20% fps increase while no vram increase, you can't go 4k in all titles because of that. Also more than 33% price hike isn't well received. It also does pull around 280 watts which is again not good. 4080 is a great gpu, the most power efficient card of all the 4000 lineup, it doesn't suck because it has 16gigs of vram. But man $1200 is too darn expensive. It's supposed to be the 800 dollar card. 4060 8gb is okay for 1080p gaming for it is both cheap and it'll do 1080p just fine. For a power efficiency perspective, you can get the 4060 and call it a day. But for price/performance, there are a lot of alternatives from the previous generation of both nvidia and amd. 4060 Ti 8gb is an insult for $400. $4060ti 16gb is an insult too because last time I checked, 8gb vram did not cost 100 dollars. So that's how I feel about the entire 40 series. For a power efficiency perspective, 4070 is great, it is okay for 1440p and for $570 I feel less bad.
Completely agree man thats the same conclusion ive made after researching the market for the past month as at the time I bought every other part for my first pc build and the 4070 seems the only reasonable option unless you wanna go AMD. I'm getting my 4070 tomorrow upgrading from a laptop 1650ti. Yes all the cards are overpriced but what isn't these days? I might go the 4070ti if it was 16gb VRAM but gosh would they bump the price up if that were the case :/
to me it's the worst gpu after 4060/ti, even 4080 would be better: at least you're maxing 1440p for next 4-5 years with no restriction while 600$ gpu for, eventually, 1080p doesn't make any sense while at 1440p is ok but definitely not enough now, imagine in 2 years...
@@sandbox8717 100 fps for $570 vs 150 fps for $1200. Just keep the remaining $630 in your wallet and buy a way faster gpu after 2 years with it, a gpu that's better than rtx 4080. Not to mention, sell your existing 4070 for like $200 in two years and add it up to your purchase to buy an even faster gpu.
I went from a 1050TI to the RX 6750XT. Getting somewhat equal performance to a 3070 / 3060 ti - depending on model, and it cost me about AU$100 less. It also fits in my SFX case which a lot of 30 series cards onwards can't do because they're at least 3.5 slots thick which is an entire slot wider than my case supports.
The 4070 founders, sold in the USA at Bestbuy stores, walk in sales only, is only 40 mm wide. There are 5 other 4070 51mm and thinner :) But another 15 or so 4070 are wider :(. 4070 is only 200 watts. With say a Ryzen 7 58003DX cpu, a 600 watt power supply is enough to pair with any 4070. It's what I run with 600 watt psu. Along with an asus dual OC. A 4070 ti or above is too wide, and too hot to fit in my system. AMD = too hot ! 4070 which are thin: (the ventus has a poor cooler) (asus dual OC has a great cooler and heatsink) pny dual 39 mm nvidia founders 40 mm msi ventus 43 mm gigabyte windforce 50 mm gigabyte eagle 50 mm asus dual OC 51 mm th-cam.com/video/6d3X_Jaek_g/w-d-xo.html
Great choice as it will last you longer than the 3070/3060ti too, given the 12GB VRAM. Devs aren’t bothering to stay under 8GB for medium-high settings anymore.
Hello. What graphics card would you recommend to upgrade a RTX2060? My Lenovo Legion T5 includes a upgraded 800W power, i5-10400, Motherboard is 512CIeNVMeOPAL, memory 16Gb
It would be nice if it was cheaper. I like the card since it’s optimized for low power usage. DLSS 3.0 is nice, but only a few games support it which makes the feature useless.
Just want to mention that memory bandwidth depends on bus-width and memory speed. You shouldn’t say “they cut down the vram bandwidth” because it’s not “cut down”. It’s just a result of the smaller bus (in those cases).
Coming from a 1080, didn’t want to drop down a SKU but I got the 4070 ti open box for 600 plus tax. Was saving for a 4090 but I couldn’t pass up the deal. Still on 8700k and I doubled my frame rates in MW2. Went ahead and ordered the 13600k and mobo. I’m really happy with the performance so far, just need a bigger case for my Gigabyte gaming OC.
My 4090 gives me the vibes i had, when i first tested my 1080ti 6 years ago. Its a massive performance leap from my previous 3090 but needs less power and runs quite and cool (60C) even on cyperpunk 2077 with pathtracing. And first i was sceptical about frame generation. But when setup correctly its a insane technique already.
My man. Love the message about spreading your positivity and keeping things civil. TH-cam trolls are always going to complain. Tell your boy good on him for working on hard and knowing how to manage his money. Hope you're right about the upcoming 50 series cards! My fear is that we are going to get SMASHED with another GPU shortage. One even worse than what we experienced recently.
After attempting to research what the hell was going on with GPUs nowadays I’m really glad I’ve come across your video as it’s pretty much narrowed down my next card in the future …. Maybe not nvidia but who knows what may happen cheers buddy
The problem with the 40 series from Nvidia is this: The Ada Lovelace is a very strong architecture, and Nvidia demonstrated what is possible with the 4090. It didn't matter what the flagship 4090 was priced at because no normal person was going to buy it; only out of touch rich people are going to buy that. Nvidia then had a choice to either give mainstream gamers major performance uplift with the 40 generation or really good prices. Nvidia chose neither option, and instead decided to snub the entire consumer base with cut down overpriced cards.
I'm one of those who finally said "screw it" and got a 4070. Galax was selling their EX gamer version, which has excellent reviews for 589. With Nvidia announcing they are basically halting 4000 series production until inventory moves (which will drive prices back up), it was time, and the price was low enough to make it worth the purchase. I'd have thought about the 3080 or 3080 Ti, but I need the Av1 encoding, so . . . And the power efficiency is much better than either 3080.
I've been looking at that same card, i'm just getting into PC building (aka I have slowly been buying parts and am so close to getting to actually having a running PC lol) how has that card been for you????
@@FallingBloodrain Works great, runs cool under heavy load, fans are quieter than on my 3060. Their overclocking utility was not that good. Would push overclocking too far on a regular basis and cause a lock up or crash. Wound up reinstalling MSi Afterburner. Got more stable results with it. But as far as the hardware end goes- excellent. Besides the stuff mentioned earlier, mine has zero coil whine.
It depends. Are you content with the FPS you’re currently getting? Do you always set all your gfx settings to high/ultra or do you sometimes go down to medium or low? I went from a 2080 super to the 4070 and I’m happy with the upgrade.
The never ending debate when it comes to nVidia and AMD. I could go into lengths about how every nVidia generation screwed over their customers performance/price wise more and more since GT8800 times, but I think this video explains it quite well. AMD is not without fault however. Bottom line- do your research before committing for any hardware purchase, as buying the new thing might sometimes be a downgrade. Still happy with my 4070ti, as expected is around 15fps faster than 3070ti, so not really a worthy upgrade now when I look back at it.... :D
I do wonder though what's the point of buying a 4070ti when you already had a 3070ti ? No wonder why people are so upset if they keep buying a new GPU every 3 years... I mean, if you have the money that's good for you but I think the 4000 series is especially good for people who are still with their 1000 or 2000 series. I have a GTX 1070 and to me, the RTX 4070 looks like a nice upgrade. Before my GTX 1070, i had an AMD R9 290x (that was new at the time) and it wasn't good experience at all. The card was too hot, the drivers were always late and full of bugs, it was just terrible experience. No doubt that AMD is doing a better job now but still, DLSS and DLSS 3 Frame Gen are a much bigger deal than Ray Tracing imo. AMD's FSR is honestly not great and they have nothing like Frame Gen. Point being, AMD gives you better numbers for the money but you're losing some nice features too. DLSS3 isn't available for all games mind you but it's a new technology that we will see more and more.
@@MadX8 tbh 4070ti was something along the lines of a gift with trade-in for 3070ti. I can't say there is massive increase in performance (dlss3 aside), however more since my 1080ti days, 12gb vram is more than welcome for 4K , than 3070ti 8gb. Would I jumped over to 4xxx series just because? No. Did I do it because there was an offer I couldn't refuse? Yes.
this helps me a lot thank you! I'm looking at getting a 30 series card bc a 40 wont fit my case but I was looking at a 3060ti (I still run a 1660 super) and there's so much info out there that's positive and negative. Is the 3060ti worth it for the $300?
Based on Nvidia wanting 10/20 series owners to upgrade to the 40 series and not so muc hthe 30 series owners, the 50 series should be a large improvement to coerce 30 series owners to upgrade.
I feel this comment. I think Nvidia is trying to coax the older series card holders to come forward and buy a 40 series card to finally get that much needed upgrade in performance. I myself am still sadly running a GTX960 in my rig, even though I just built a whole new system, due to the fact these cards are so expensive and its hard to justify the cost.
My take on this is that the 40xx series is significantly better for ray-tracing. Look at the transistor counts, which have increased 100% in some cases (3070->4070). What are all those extra transistors doing because you are not seeing a corresponding increase in GPU cores? It seems to me that Nvidia are betting big time on ray-tracing. Until Cyberpunk Overdrive edition, ray-tracing was disappointing. You had to look pretty hard to see any difference, usually in the puddles. If we get more fully ray-traces games then the 4070 and above will suddenly be seen as great cards. However, if we do not, then you just paid for about 17 billion transistors that you won't use much. It's a tough call. If no one buys cards that can run fully ray-traced then games won't bother providing it. My guess is that if you buy a 4070 or above, then you will be using it much longer than a 30xx card if fully ray-traced games do become the norm.
Having just got a 40 series recently I'm really impressed with the frame gen as well being able to run Witcher 3 with ray tracing and get a great fps and I'm unable to spot any negative aspects to it is fantastic
For those who haven't noticed, they've already admitted quietly that Ray tracing is already obsolete and path tracing is far superior. So we will see if the next gen video cards go that direction
Hey guys. I could use some advice. I’ve had an IMac for about 12 years and I’ve decided to make the sensible switch to PC. I want to build my own to a high spec but the choices in gpu and cpu is a bit overwhelming. I’ve quickly learned there is a bit of a war between Nvidia and AMD and between intel and ryzen. I’d love some suggestions on which graphics card I should go for? I was looking at the 4080 super which is due to be released but is there a comparable one with AMD that would be cheaper?
In March I was looking at the 4070ti vs 7900XT. They were priced about the same at the time and RT was not a big topic for me. I considered the games I was playing and as they were performing about the same at 1440p, the additional VRAM is what sold me at the time and I went for the 7900XT. 3 months later and the 7900XT has moved ahead of the 4070ti in 1440p performance, while still at the same price point. My guess is that 40 series Nvidia cards will hit VRAM limitations before hit by limitations on other performance aspects. I expect the VRAM amount to turn out to be the achilles heel of the 4080 and 4070 and 4070ti.
@@Z4d0k Yes, resolution matters a great deal, but its not the only factor. F.ex. RT causes more VRAM usage and the gaming industry has generally needed "overspend" effort to stay within VRAM limitations. Not to say they dont need to optimize, but at some point the balance is off. I expect this to change and them to target 16Gb for 1440p in the newest and coming games (2-3 years). The 4080 will be OK, but the 4070ti will be powerfull enough, but not have enough VRAM. Owners will be forced to dial down quality, despite the GPU being powerfull enough. This leads me back to my choice of the 7900XT over the 4070ti at the same pricepoint. If the 4080 was at the same price as the 7900XT, I might have gone for that. If RT was important for me I would have asked myself if I should wait for the 4080 to reduce in price. To be honest, for the past 25 years, I have had both AMD and NVidia cards and just go for what is the best choice at the time. I see drivers being part of the narrative a lot of times, but most of the time its stories that are years old, so we as gamers should rather ask ourselves if these stories are still relevant for choice of GPU today?
yeah amd drivers aging well is just a consequence of the fact that at day1 basically half of their stuff just doesn't work/properly and it takes ages for amd to fix them lol but I would definitely stick with 7900 xt this time, especially if rt gimmick is not a thing for you
I upgrade from 3060 ti to 4070 for couple of reasons. 1) at its time of release, it is the cheapest 40 series card. 2) its 50% more perf than the 3060 ti. 3) 4070 ti with 12 GB VRAM is not enough for its price(if the 4070 ti has 16 Gbs of VRAM, I buy it but 12 GB is not cutting it). 4) it is very efficient gaming wise. Overall, Despite for what I paid for it(MSRP), it is a good card, it just sit at the wrong price.
performance wise. it is on par with the 6800xt/3080(1-3% difference). And yes I could get a 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt/3080 12 GBs and get away with it. But, there are multiple reasons why I am getting it; 1. Case compatibility- 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt are too big for my case, 2. PSU size- I have a 650W PSU and with only 200W, it is power efficient for the PSU, 3. Im on an AM4 platform and I can't upgrade to anything else so I don't really need to consider a big GPU to upgrade it to, 4. Since im on the last draw of AM4, if I ever need to upgrade in couple years, I will be able to do it with future tech GPU. those are the reasons why I pick the 4070 over anything, Length, PSU wattage size.
I suspect 50 series GPU's will not be as good as you think, but your logic would clearly be correct. The difference this time being, Nvidia is so invested in AI systems. Which yield them much much greater profits compared to gamer GPU's. I would think they will care even less in next generation about the gamers, making 50 series as bad as 40 series or with slight improvements. At least if they learn to supply proper memory amounts with next gen cards, In my ipinion that will be a win for us gamers. Price/performance however will not have a much better outcome.
I have the 4090 and while very expensive, this Card has insane Power. Pure Fun. The power draw in Gaming is so far max 380w. And you are right. I upgraded from a 6700k 980ti to a 13900k 4090. And i worked my Ass off to safe the Money.
1080 Ti is a Monster from the past! I really enjoyed gaming on that card not that long ago. Currently, I had to go with AMD and the XFX 7900 XTX. For $949 in early March I've been playing every "broken" game at native, true, actual 4k, maxed out (RT too;) at 60fps+ on Day 1 with Zero issues. It OCs to 3Ghz+ under 450w/57c max sustained load and 1.1Tbs on its 24GB VRAM. I just could not justify the added ~$1,000 for a nice RTX 4090 and another, larger PSU; that might catch fire (12v..). Anyway, I've been and remain insanely happy with my purchase and cannot recommend it enough. Let's be CLEAR, it is not a competitor to the ~$2k 4090. Though, it does still occasionally beat that GPU, which is hilarious. In reality it's getting 4070 Ti-4080ish RT and 4080-4090+ raster #NoFires
the 1080TI is still a monster. it out performs the 20 and 30 series and is about the same as the 4090. I had a 1050TI and upgraded to a 2080TI and found the 1050TI was actualy better.. then got the 1080TI to replace the 2080TI and found a massive improvement. Now ive got the 4090 and not a lot of diff in performance. graphics look better but lower FPS. my main game on the 1080TI it was 90FPS on the 4090 its only getting 30fps. but things do look nicer and brighter. The RTX cards r only better if u play in 4k and use ray tracing and DLSS but if u dont use those then the RTX cards r a waste of money. None of my games use ray tracing or DLSS and my PC wont run games in 4k as it makes everything way to small to see the text on the screen so only run them in 1080p. i dont even run windows in 4k as it makes everything a lot smaller and harder to see the icons on the desktop. even with a 50 inch monitor that is 4k running windows in 4k is really bad. got fed up with having to get up walk to the monitor and use a magnifying glass to read what it said on the screen so went back to 1080p. So wasted £1800 on a card that doesnt work as good as the 1080TI. 4090 Benchmarks r 1 thing but when u actualy use it for games its not as good as the 1080TI. Even with the best CPU on the market and 32GB ram the 4090 is still not as good as the 1080TI.
4070 is the only other good card on the stack besides the 90. 600 bucks is only like 50 bucks too high, and the card itself is actually extremely capable. There's more than just "4060 ti sucks" that made people start to buy it. Turns out it's a pretty great card (for the 40 series).
True, only thing I don't like is the 12gb vram. I had problems with my 3070 Ti 8gb on 3440x1440p, so I was looking at the 4070/4070 Ti for an upgrade but nvidia cheaping out on the vram made me get a 20gb 7900XT instead.
until you literally require RAM for any demanding productivity work. For a new build going from laptop, I got an Arc A770 for 16GB at half the cost until prices on higher performance kit return to better value.
You have my subscription. Straight talk and informative!!!! I am so sick of people talking about GPU's like I understand what they are saying. You broke it down and I thank you.
Don't want to put more than the ~600€ budget into a Gfx card for my next PC (time to retire my GTX980) - was looking at the 4070, thanks for the decent overview. Was wondering though, might it be preferable to pick up a used 3080 or 3090? instead at a similar (or even lower?) pricepoint? Though, while I could possibly save a couple bucks with the 3090, it seems like the 4070 will outperform it in many areas, as long us you don't use 1440 or higher resolution ... and that at lower wattage ...
This is easily the most informative video I've found while doing my upgrade research. I'm looking to upgrade from my strix 3080 ti to a 4080 oc, and the thing that stands out to me in everything is that the price of the 4080 has stayed about the same but the 4090 has gone up 500-1000 usd.
I am currently using 3060ti to play 4k games. I originally planned to upgrade to 4070ti, but as many 3a masterpieces this year have poor optimization and this trend is becoming more and more serious. Developers rely on dlss and are lazy, so they instantly give up the idea of upgrading and buy ps5 to play Final Fantasy 16 and ff7 will be released next year.
@@arghpee Thats what Im doing. I have rx 6700 (bought it during black friday in november and it was pretty much best budget card at the time) and playing at 1080p/1440p(depending on the game) but saving up for 50 series. When it comes out ill probably get 5080 and finally move on to 4k gaming.
Which will both come to PC and be better on PC lol. I'll be enjoying them in 4k on my 4090. Wait for the "ThEy HaVeN't CoNfIrMeD tHeY'rE cOmInG tO pC" from the person that has no understanding of Square's business model XD even though they've confirmed 16 for PC and it's just a matter of time till they confirm the rest of the FF7 remake for PC.
Dou you understand nvidia segmented the cards in order to provide different tiers for 1080p, 1440p and 4K ? Up to 500 are 1080p cards, between 500 and 1000 are 1440p cards and over 1000 avec 4K cards. It is normal for games to demand more and more from computers. Especially right now, 2 years after the release of the consoles, they became the new baseline for upscaled 30fps games. If you want your game to look like consoles at 4k60 without upscaling, you will need 3 times the raw power. Given the PS5 is roughly a 5700xt, good lock with your 3060ti. Devs are not lazy, they target 30fps for the consoles and they might make mistakes preventing the engine to fully use a more powerfull CPU to be able to reach higher FPS. The 4070ti is a little better than a 3080, It will not be a 4k card for long anymore.
@@PyromancerRift regarding the 4070TI, you reckon it will have a decent lifespan for someone only doing 1440p gaming? So in my case I would be going from an 2060S to a 4070Ti.
Thats pretty messed up that you were getting a hate for buying a 4080. Its your money and you can do whatever you want with it. Then again remember that 3080 wasnt even available for its msrp for 99% of people yet people were still willing to pay twice the price from the scalpers. Im pretty sure plenty of people bought 3080 for more than the price of 4080.
I am pretty sure you are correct! The issue is that so many people get caught up in their feelings over hardware. It is especially true with older gamers. Most critics are guys that are 10+ years older than me telling me about how "back in their day.." this and that. I'm not trying to be rude by any means at all. However, after hearing this stuff over and over it just makes me say "ok grandpa, thanks for letting me know." But yeah it is true. I had people insult me, write negative comments, unsubscribe, leave my Discord, and even create alt accounts to troll me all because I bought a 4080. It's ridiculous man.
I have a 4090 and get shit all the time on r/pcmasterrace. The argument is that i am encouraging Nvidia’s anti-consumer practices by buying it. But the 4090 actually has good price to performance, much better than any other card in the 40 series. I can’t tell if it’s jealousy or people just wanting to be outraged at something.
@@Marko-ij4vyyou're correct in that he shouldn't get hate. But buying a 4080 at whatever price isn't any better because people paid more for a 3080. Also you really shouldn't just write off criticism as jealousy. Some people may be jealous but I'd bet most are just angry at companies and are taking it out on people instead. I for one am definitely jealous of people with 4090s, too expensive to justify when I don't do any work on my home pc. 4080s not so much. If I wanted one I could buy one, and then use it to play no games until Xdefiant and Starfield release so I'm ok waiting another 2 months and see how prices are then.
I paid more for my 2080ti during the start of the crypto and skipped the 30 series. I am building a new PC and the 4080 was cheaper so for me great deal.
While the pattern tells us one good generation one awful generation price/performance-wise I don't think Nvidia will care that much if they can get away with it. Also, the 30 Series was good price/performance that was in theory since all 30 series cards were scalped and/or cornered by the stupid cryptobros, so we really had two bad generation for price performance in a row. This is why people are so mad right now with the prices of the 40 series and rhe 7000 series from AMD, because they want to ripp us off three times in a row!
Only reason I'm considering going from 30 to 40 series is the AI mesh generation tech for up coming games. Like cyberpunk and few others are going to be using it and drastically improves FPS. I think a lot of reviews leave this factor out.
I went from 3070 to rx 7900xt. Price to performance seems like a way better deal to me. 900 dollars compared to 1200+ for the 4080. Performance is a bit under a 4080 in rasterization and about on par with a 3090 in Ray tracing. Seems like a win to me.
For someone considering buying a 4090. and the price has gone up since this video. which psu is a smart buy with it and which one to avoid? and what is a good way to support the massive card?
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Me with rtx 3050- damn
Im good with this shit for trashy games
How much VRAM do you need really
Sorry kiddo, you lost me when you completely skipped the Bitcoin boom during the 10 series and Nvidia first got their taste of that miner money. Since that time it's been Nvidia looking for the next great cash cow and abandoning their gamer roots, not that the 1080ti was "too good." 😂😂😂
@@MiracleManGaming lol I understand.
@@MAX_DARKIAN most people seem to say 12 gb these days.
Nobody hates the cards everybody hates the prices
thank you
That good old saying -
There are no bad products, only bad prices
As a lifelong Nvidia user, I couldn't stomach the 12 GB of Vram for $800 in the 4070 ti, so I switched to AMD and got the 7900 xt for cheaper. I was worried at first because people told me bad things about AMD drivers, especially because I mainly play early access, beta, and alpha games. I've had zero issues, couldn't be happier with my choice.
Yes , I have an asus 7900 xtx tuf oc. 0 issues since January. Idk ppl really do live in the past, and sometime they can't accept the fact that 40s are a bs gen.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Right now I'm pondering about replacing my rtx2070 (non-super) with an rx 7900 xt. The whole 40 series doesn't seem to be a useful option.
Same, I've used mostly Nvidia products most of my life, I bought a Powercolor 7900 XT (Grabbed an Amazon "warehouse" deal for $704 total! only thing wrong was the box was beat up!😁) couldn't be happier, this Nvidia generation is a joke and shows how much they could care less about the people who made and supported their company. This 7900 XT is a beast of a GPU and I'm happily gaming at max settings on all my games.
@@c0d3warrior Prime Day is right around the corner and you might be able to find a really good deal on one then. If you do decide to get one make sure you download DDU to fully wipe the Nvidia drivers from your computer. It seems like a lot of people don't do that, and then complain when they are having driver issues because Nvidia and AMD drivers are both in their system and it can cause conflicts.
I bought a 4070 as an upgrade from my 2070 super when it came out and ended up returning it to buy an Amazon warehouse MSI 6950xt for $100 less than the 4070.
The only thing I preferred about the 4070 was the fan noise/heat was less. I am much happier with the 6950xt performance.
Agree. I had a TitanX in 2015 with 12GB RAM. Recently decided to build and am shocked to see that 12GB has not become standard in 8 years.
lol s23 ultra has 12gb
@@MariusVerbaviciusare you slow? Thats ram not vram
and that titan x was a "high end gpu" back then
@bigcwastaken2112 when I bought it, it was THE high-end card. 1080ti came out about 6 months later...
It’s all about the vrams generation and speed. 1gb of ddr3 @2277 hz is not the same at all 3600hz etc same with gen 4.
NVidia knows that their 50 series cannot possibly have much faster processors so they're gimping the memory now so that they can use memory to improve the 50 series later.
You may be correct on that. Very solid observation.
@@ErockOnTech Do you by any chance assume that they are possibly intentionally bottlenecking their gpus with memory and by doing so leaving number of cuda on board wasted? XDD But wait, you just posted a video where its obvious that your stance is that Nvidia is greedy. But now, you suspect that they may be leaving some $ wasted. lol
FYI There is something called l2 cache that is very expensive and that has immensely enlarged on 40 series. This difference in l2 cache more than makes up for one tier difference in gddr6 bandwidth (say 256 to 192bit). Shame that you never mentioned it.
For experiment you can overclock vram to see that there is same level of gain as with ampere cards. 40 series are not vram caped!
NGimpia. The way it's meant to be gimped.
I don't think so. By increasing L2 Cache they are testing if and how much it can keep up with the real performance since they are relying much on frame gen and dlss 3.
The next gen will be the final nail in the coffin trying to sell fake frames unless they stop this schizophrenia now.
The 50 series will pry be a much smaller jump in raw performance due to 4 to 3nm. They'll make up for it will a lot of new tech like texture compression and a hardware denoiser plus dlss 4.
I bought 4070 but upgraded 1080ti, not 3070. That's mainly because prices dropped back to ~$600 which is acceptable. Performance is defenitely better by a lot, but in RL not that much especially on 1080p, still there are few pros you didn't mention. First 3070 is DDR6 while 4070 is DDR6X which makes a significant difference. Still the best "feature" of 4070 is the low power consumption and the small size. For casual gamers size and power consumptions are actually quite a big problem that comes out and makes them spend extra money just to have the card upgrade. And also the best part is that 4070 works exactly the same with PCI 3.0 which means you don't need to upgrade your motherboard too. So I find 4070 the best choice for casual gamers at the moment.
Same here. My last card was the 1070. Perfect upgrade.
I currently have a 3070... what do I do? Running DCS and need better performance. Thoughts?
I’m not a tech savvy guy, but this is probably the most reasonable video I’ve seen from a tech youtuber. Very straight to the point, bring up context, reality check and some facts.
Saved up some money to upgrade my 3070 to 4090, cheers.
Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it. I’m happy the video was helpful.
One of the reason 1080TI was so powerful is because Raja lied about the VEGA 64 performance before it comes out in which in turn makes Nvdia response with the best card that they can make and also at reasonably price.
Yep you can make the same argument Nvidia was afraid of the 7000 series you gotta think the 6000 series dang near caught Nvidia and they panicked even though amd dropped the high end 7000 series on its head I think it’s the same logic
Yeah so basically AMD created their own demise with Nvidia.
@@Th3Fly1ngCowthey have a chance at come back with a 7950xtx, not sure if they will though
@@ErockOnTechAnd that's good, the 1080 TI is proof that competition is what gives us the best stuff, that's where we badly need Intel to compete on at the same level, so the three companies are always trying to give us the best products at the best prices because they know the consumer can and will switch to the competition. People are angry at Nvidia for the price gouging, but they keep buying their cards and they gouged us this bad because they have the biggest market share. Fortunately consumers are now retaliating thus the overall low sales of the 40 series.
@@ErockOnTechthat said I feel like AMD has a chance to gain a lot of market share with cards that can match some of 40 series just with more Vram and decent prices. It’s been awhile since Nvidia armor has been chinked like this, maybe since the the FX series.
I have a 980ti lying around. It was effictively the best card money could buy for a whole generation for 700€. Now we are at 2k€ so it nearly tripled in 8 years. Absolutely ridiculous.
that was a great card
Still is a great card
@@aeroflopperI have two friends who run the 980 and TI version. It's still doing well in optimized games with mixed settings. 980 TI and 1080 TI... 🤯
I used to have that, upgraded to a 3070 and was very unimpressed with the jump in performance at the hugher price point
@@aeroflopper i went from 980ti to 1080ti. it was worth the upgrade to hit those framerates in games like Witcher 3 and everything else. these generations aren't as clear cut with the games being worth it or not. Balder's Gate 3 will run great on a 980ti today.
What you said about the 4070 (not Ti) really stands true for me. The $600 price tag on it fit within my budget and gave me the performance I wanted. Granted, this is on my first ever self-built desktop, so it was a major jump from my 3060 laptop but it wasn't an "upgrade" in the same sense as if I had been upgrading a desktop card.
Hey I call that an upgrade for sure! All good. No worries and I’m happy it’s working out for you. That’s great!
I just went from an asus 4070 to a gigabyte 4070ti and the next day after the 4070ti a 4090 and I can say the 4070 is a great card for the money
On a 60hz 4k monitor I had absolutely no issues running any game I play at max settings @4k and always stayed at 60fps
So the 4090 was a waste of money until my new monitor gets here
@@chevybr12 What I love about it is that it performs well but at low power and without generating tons of heat. So while I built my PC with a 5700 XT, not even the higher quality card fans were good enough to prevent throttling unless they were going full blast, which was insufferable anyway. I had to downclock and downvolt it, which might be how it got bricked not long ago.
Now I have my 4070 that just works, and even has one less connector allowing me to add another fan at the bottom (all bottom row connectors on the PSU are now free). Shit doesn't overheat, doesn't get too noisy, and I'll even get a lower electricity bill out of it. And it should last until the rest of my rig is outdated anyway.
@ivanlagrossemoule my 4090 isn't getting hot ever, but I do have a massive double system case
I run everything at 4k max settings
I rarely break 60c
OP, couldn't you have bought a 3080 for the same price as a 4070? The 3080 would have performed better in most scenarios except 4k ray tracing due to the memory limitations(assuming 3080 10gb) except if you have the 12gb version. The 3080 is the better card for the money in gaming benchmarks as it is only a tiny bit slower than a 4070ti.
No one should be buying 40 series cards, they all suck for their MSRP pricing.
I bought a 4090 recently simply because I couldn't wait anymore. I used to have a 1060 which I cruised on for a very, very long time. I had wanted to upgrade for a long time but every time I felt like I needed to upgrade the consensus everywhere was "wait for the next...",
20-series was first-gen raytracing with barely any support and not good performance, 30-series was scalped and inflated price, 40-series is extremely expensive with many cards being lackluster, too.
I noticed more and more I was having my hobby ruined by waiting, and waiting and waiting for cards that might never ever come again, so I just bit the bullet. Sure, I am down 2k but at least I can now happily continue my hobby without the constant headache I experienced.
do you game at 4K?
Good for you man. Listening to everyone else will only confuse you more. Go with you gut.
God doesn't make mistakes!
4090 is literally a performance serial killer so W on the purchase
Many people wait but they never realize they will never get what they want by waiting 🗣️🤣☠️
Thank you for the history run-down on Nvidia cards! Found it incredibly interesting. I’m a new PC owner and I’m building my first PC ever tomorrow. I went above and beyond with the components and worked very hard to get them. My wife has been a sensational support system, I couldn’t have done it without her. All that’s left is the 4090 which I’m finally purchasing tomorrow, the price had me saving and working extra hard with DoorDash on the side. I’m looking forward to gaming, music/video editing and some AI generating. Getting into things I didn’t think I’d get into just for the fun and I can’t begin to explain how liberating it is to finally acquire this much needed computer and just have fun chasing my hearts desires. PUMPED!
@DirtRider999 yes! It’s AWESOME! I posted a clip of it on my page. Took me an entire day to build and set all my drivers up, but I’m so proud I got it done. Sensational PC 🔥✨
@@Zarzuela_CG congrats mate! Well done! :) Glad you're enjoying it. So I guess all the hard work paid off! :) Grats
proud of you homie, enjoy the pc
I tuned in to listen to your info on the RTX 4070. Originally, I was going to get the 4060ti for the 16 gb ram but everyone said don't do it. So I watched a video on price to performance comparison, within my price range and ended up debating the 4070 vs the 6950. I ended up staying with the 4070 and not trying to go higher pretty much for every reason you pointed out about the 4070. And, yeah, with limited money, the 4070 pretty much felt like the best I could do.
So, here's living proof that you're right. :) Thanks for the info reviews.
I disagree about the 50 series being cheaper. They could just drop the price on the 40 series, but they are choosing not to. They have determined that the future lies in AI, so they will continue to ignore their gaming market. Sadly, AMD has not been able really increase market share, which would have woken them up.
Had AMD gone with an aggresive pricing strategy instead of "being slightly cheaper and hoping that's enough" they could have crushed nvidia this gen.
7600 at 250.
7900 xt at 650.
xtx at 800.
7700/7800 for 350/499 respectively.
Just completely dominate at all price points, ignoring ray tracing. That would make AMD's offerings compelling. That would have been a killer move.
Instead, they overpriced them (900 and 1k for 7900 xt/xtx) to appear "cheaper" while being "better" than the 4080 at 1200.
Because why sell 1000 GPUS with ~$50-100 profit margins when you can sell 1 with $300+ margin? Sure, more per card, but you're selling significantly fewer cards.
@@HackedGlitch265 I agree, if they had ignored Ray Tracing altogether that would have been very smart!!
Ahhh yes another nVidia fanboy hoping AMD slashes prices so he can buy cheeper nVidia. No what AMD are doing is fine. The issue is that most people are like you and for AMD to crush their cards had to be 10% faster with lowered energy consumption. Non of you woud buy it otherwise.
@@HackedGlitch265 AMD has better profit margins than nVidia and this will continue to increase due to their architecture. Same thing happened with their Ryzen architecture. 7000 series is in reality the gpu version of Zen1. They have no interest in lowering the price as nVidia can't go 4 nm lower like with the 4000 series to simulate a massive jump to performance. And at those prices AMD is getting more money per card a couple of more cards sold would not matter to them as they already know that half of the nVidia fanboys won't buy their product if it's not waaay better or cheaper.
I see things changing. Ive always had the new whatever nvida puts out, back since like the voodo vs nvida days. I skipped the 40 series and might look at considering the titan but I'm about to definitely build a 7900xtx for my living room. I just can't make up my mind on the rest of the components.
Besides the high prices of new GPUs, one of the biggest reasons a lot people don't just run out and buy one is because, to support it, they would also need a larger case, higher capacity power supply, and a new motherboard with top-gen PCIe slot to get the full GPU bandwidth, and the new MB may then require a new CPU and new RAM. If you do all that, Windoze will probably want a new license too. So yeah, a whole new computer to support the new card. Those high-end GPUs aren't stand-alone items.
This!!! I've been using 3070 for the past almost 3 years and this is why I feel like switching to a 4xxxx GPU will be a huuuuge hassle... I'm literally lazy for it plus unexpected other expenses. Probably getting a built 5xxx rig will be easier when they are released.
@@babblebabble My flatmate is in the exact same situation. He almost bought the 4070ti, but then realized he would be severely CPU limited, but it's a 9th gen so if he went with 12-13th gen, would need a new motherboard, etc...
40 series are for people building new computers, its a nice upgrade but its just like phones, the 15 is better for people coming from an xr, not for people with a 14 to upgrade immedietly.
Reason why I haven’t upgraded yet. Pretty much a whole brand new pc build.
I just got a package deal, 32 gb of DDR5, Asus prime Z790 motherboard, and I9-12900k for $399. Bought a deepcool ak630 for $50 and was able to reuse my case and power supply. So for 450 dollars I was able to still use my 1070 AND prepared myself to future proof my setup for when I could get a newer card. I JUST bought the 4070 and I LOVE it
Recently switched to team red. I'm really pleased with the performance of my 7900 XTX. It performs better than a 4080 for $200 less (although ray tracing is more at a 4070 level). AMD has done an outstanding job in offering a competitive price-to-performance ratio. I understand that NVIDIA has its own set of advantages (TDP is better, for example), but for my needs, AMD has been a great fit. No issues with bad drivers or excessive heat in 4K gaming and the Adrenalin software is awesome!
Any sane person should have this logic. I went without even thinking twice with 7900xtx, I did had the chance to get 4090 instead but even I have morals... I ended up 7800x3d + 7900xtx + MSI Tomahawk. Cant be happier. So glad I did not spend over $1000 more for i91300k + 4090. Those extra money I spend on other goods like gen 5 SSD T700, a 4k 160mhz monitor, a much better case Lian Li Evo.... etc.
@@ivanrusev9464 I was going to get a 4090 but they're nearly over 2 grand usd right now, how is your 7900xtx on 4k? I've got a i712700k cpu right now and wil be going to 1440p until I get a 4k monitor at a lower price. Will the 7900xtx be fine at this point in my build?
@@ivanrusev9464 Enjoy your RAM stability issues. The X3D's are TERRIBLE with that. Go to JayzTwoCents for a video he did on it recently, made him switch teams to Intel because of it. There's people sounding off the comments about it, like a lot of them. AMD has firmware/software issues, it's not even up for debate. Maybe you can live with them, I can't.
Son, you will learn when that card takes a crap in two years due to poor driver support so good luck with that.
@@daveyd0071they only seem to improve so we’ll see man 😅😅
I think people forget that it's not just about gaming, the people who buy nvidia are essentially people who work in content creation, editing, 3d, etc. And in these areas the 40 series is just monstrous compared to its predecessor. Unfortunately, there are very few channels that talk about these fields, since most of the views are generated by the gaming community...
thanks I wanted to know this information cause all if for gaiming and while I do sometimes I dedicate myself to video editing.
Facts!
Exactly this! I'm trying to figure the best system for 4k editing and it's so difficult finding good reviews for that
@@AdamJAhmedM2 Mac Mini Pro, refurbished from Apple for about $1200. incredible price, perfect if 3d is not important, only high res video
Yeah except NVIDA's life blood for the past 2 decades + has been gamers. There are far less VR, AI, and content makers. So people are mad because NVIDIA is focusing on the smallest sect of PC users. And kicking their largest base in the head. Kinda like making political policy based on less than 1% of the population
The biggest irony of the 4000 series release. Nvidia did themselves a disservice and forced people to start thinking "DO I need to upgrade" Which should always be a valid question, not just upgrading because a new line is released. They had a lot of people stuck in the habit of just buying the new one, because its new..
They are making money hand over fist with AI and data centres. They just don't care about gamers anymore.
I'm only just contemplating upgrading my GTX 1080. Just because i've never needed to till now. Think the 4070 is going to be perfect for me.
@@SirFlibbertyJibbit Man, I am still trying to get GTA to give me 140-150 fps@1440p with max settings LOL
This.I hope my GTX 1080 ti will last until the 50 series, or make the switch to team red, if it doesn't.
I feel like they just cane out of limbo. Havin a 1080 woth 8gb there was simply no reason to upgrade to nvidias new cards until rtx 4000. cause only top of the line 3000 had 12gb.
Ordered myself a 4070 TI super now.
I love the idea of the 4060, to be an achievable upgrade for everyone who’s on a 9 10 or 16 series. It’s a real shame they didn’t make it 12 GB for a little more $, that would have been perfect.
I own a 4060ti 16 gig since I use the vram for work. It was a big jump from a 1060 tbh and I am more than happy with it.
@@born2serve92 that's a MUCH better option. Kudos.
@@JGComments it’s basically an energy efficient and higher vram 3070.
Honestly, even a bit faster usually than a 3070.
People hate on the idea of spending money on it like I did.
I wanted tons of vram. I do more than game and I don’t need a 4090 at this time.
It’s not a bad card at all. It is just expensive, but If you think it fits your needs than get one man. Frame gen is pretty cool. Dlss is really good.
CUDA and VRAM workloads are great.
It’s still the cheapest 16 gig nvidia product around tbh I tried 165hz battlefield 2042. 120hz 1440 max resident evil 4 remake with RT.
Don’t let other people tell you how to spend your money haha sorry for the rant.
@@born2serve92 Well, if you actually use the 16 GB good for you. But for gaming it doesn't seem to help much at the moment and isn't worth the increased cost.
@@born2serve92Faster than a 3070? The testresults i saw, it just came close to a 3060 Ti which is really disappointing.
I had my computer die mid-projects. I ruled out my OS SSD, and suspected it was my motherboard failing or maybe my Ram, but it was old with a 2070 and i9-9900k so instead of troubleshooting and getting parts that I'd soon have to replace anyways, I decided to do a full upgrade to a 4090 and i9-13900k and it's been a beast for my editing.
After running my 3060Ti for the last three years which is still a good card, I completely bypassed the 40' series altogether and got myself a 6950XT instead. Combined with a 5950x, there's nothing quite like it. Amazing performance👍
I have to agree, my 3060Ti has been more than enough to be honest! The only reason I'm pondering maybe a 4070ti is because the other half wants something a little more than her current 1660 super so it would be two birds with one stone so to say lol
yes there is. a 4070ti
Yeah but no RT or DLSS, plus that card runs a 335w TDP as opposed to 200w for the 4070. They're not really comparable products & its dumb to see AMD pulling an Intel move & going for brute force over efficient draw.
@@adamgroszkiewicz814 6950xt runs more than enough RT
@@adamgroszkiewicz814 Raytracing is still overrated for video game designs, any good game programmer and designer will optimise their games to as much scope of PC builds from recent 3-4 generations if not older and still able to deliver the best of gaming experiences without relying to fancy schmancy visual fidelity features, besides you're comparing TDP of RX 6950 XT and RTX 4070 which have massive gap of rasterizing performance and 4070 is still loosing in terms of 4K gaming in which it's on the blame of the game developers for their aforementioned terrible optimisation
So RT and DLSS is still a terrible selling points as the caveats are still numerous, not to mention that unless you're into the level of 4080ti/4090, emulation and open source sides got worse in lower class of 40 cards even compared to previous 30 series of Nvidia's own comparisons too, the TDP is still understandable either so I don't get your point
Most of the best recent games are indie anyway, AAA side that sells these RT/DLSS modes are became joke in today's gaming community and consumer sides, not to mention on my personal terms, most of recent game designs stops being sexy (in terms of escapism) so those visual fidelity breakthroughs doesn't really hold personal importance to me and many other people lol
This is a great a super logical explanation of the pros and cons of the Nvidia 40 series cards! Seeing the price to performance like this makes it much easier to make a decision what to buy or to skip the whole 40 series.
Really glad to have found your channel. I've been trying to figure out which graphic cards would be the better buy in the future. I had my first gamer Cyberpower pc built with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 back around the end of 2015, only to realize that I could have waited a few more months for the 1080ti. As luck would have it my pc was doing an update to the drivers wouldn't power on at the end of December 2022. Computer tech wouldn't confirm the issue as software related, CPU, or motherboard related, unless I paid with my 1st born child. So, I eventuallyI bought a hp victus i7-12700f with integrated Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060ti (for less than $1k) to have a working pc. Feel like no matter how much I try to research I am always a step or 2 behind. Hoping to learn a lot so that I am not easily manipulated, as I am still determined to rebuild my 1st gamer pc with the necessary hardware upgrades. Thank you for some great info regarding the current graphic cards! I really gotta learn this stuff.
I understand it can be complicated for sure. I’m here to help! I also have a discord which is free to join. Everyone in there loves talking about this stuff and helping out where possible.
As someone who ALWAYS bought nvidia, I bought a marked up 3080 for $900. Two years later, the direct generational upgrade was another $300+ more then what I overpaid for originally. I didn’t care how much more performance the 4080 gave, increasing the MSRP +70% was insulting.
I took a chance and bought an openbox XTX for $899 and I’m going toe to toe with the 4080 in lots of the games I like to play (and sometimes I’ll even play a game of CoD just to get my fix on 4090 performance lol). It’s going to take a lot for Nvidia to chance my perception of them now.
fr i finally jumped ship to amd simply bc of the prices. the 7600 (the highest tier amd card i can get with my budget) is better than a 3060 (by like 15% in terms of fps. i dont play triple a stuff so i dont need 12 gigs of vram) and is like 40 bucks cheaper. if the prices werent so insane i would still be using nvidia bc thats just what ive always used lol
Bro the best part is..if you get a good brand, and AMD CPU activating SAM, and a fast CPU. It literally performs as a 4090..
It took me selling 6 PC's to buy a 4080
You paid $900 just to go a single generation upwards? It's your money, but it's insane to think that people don't wait at least 3 generations before upgrading, especially with a high class GPU like a 3080.
@@2hotflavored666 yup just like a bunch of people did the same why would we wait 3 gen for a gpu lol the games aren't going to wait around. Games are becoming more hardcore to run let me know how Star Field runs on your 3 gen old GPU
I have a 2080 super. Where should i go from here? Should i stay where I’m at or go for 3080? Or wait it out a little longer?
Get the 4070 Ti super, it’s coming out jan 24, it’s gonna have 16gb of vram for the same price as a 4070 Ti
I got the GB 4070 TI aero. Got it because it's a beautiful card and it's not as big as the 4090. I am very happy with it. Makes my all-white computer look amazing.
Given how poorly 40 series cards have been received, I do believe Nvidia will launch a Super series later this year or early next year (like the 20 series) and try and improve the price to performance situation. The 4080 level of performance needs to come down to 899, 4070Ti to 599, 4070 to 499, 4060Ti 16GB to 399 and 4060 to 249, at the very least. AMD 7900 series has seen some good price drops recently, and a 7900XT 20GB at 649 and 7900XTX 24GB at 799 would be decent/competitive offerings with a lot of VRAM being offered at those price points compared to Nvidia.
Looks like NVIDIA won't. The stock isn't clearing as they thought. They'll directly go to Blackwell as it seems
@@stefanaraharijaona324 If the stock was clearing (meaning they could sell it all at the current pricing structure), then why would they bother with the Super series. The only reason 20 series Super series was released was because of bad sales for the original 20 series cards. But this is all just speculation on my part, who knows what Nvidia will do.
The problem is...they expected low demands beforehand and didn't go bonkers with their inventory either due to market normalizing again and or due to their plans of jacking up the prices.
That's never going to happen because of inflation. 249 dollars in 2016 isn't the same in 2023. These prices are locked in for years to come. Getting future cards at msrp will be your best bet...second hand market will inflate the market even more.
Bravo my man u nailed it 👏 but the price not drop tho they make it seems reasonable for them but not for us and we know it 😂
I purchased a 3060 12Gb OC Ed. for just over $300, but the only other card I had available was a ca ~2012 AMD 1Gb GDDR5 Radeon card. In this instance, the overall performance increase w the 3060 absolutely demolishes the AMD card I have.... So, I thought that was a solid deal. BUT! The only card that I'd upgrade to from here right now would be the 4090. The 3060 12Gb plays everything I've thrown at it fairly well...(?)
I suppose I could take a stack of $100 bills & go buy the 4090, but those $100 bills are also used to light my daily indulgence in a fine handcrafted Cuban cigar.... So, I don't know if I could bring myself to ruin ~16 days worth of fine Cuban Cigars lit by an assortment of lower face value bills! ....Maybe I could try burning other things of value to light my Cuban Cigars? I might have to try out a flaming Picasso or something like that I suppose; no guarantees though!
Same here upgraded my 1st gen i7/ gtx 700 something rig after over a decade... to 13600k/3060 12 gig... mid 2023. At this pace I think I be set to wait for launch of 60 series or maybe even 70 series with Intel 20th gen... lmao...
I'm totally with you on these, except, from other research I've done personally, it seems like NVidia has accounted for some of the reduction in memory bandwidth by increasing the Cache from the 30 series to 40 series for the 60 and 70 series. At the same time, I ask myself, why didn't NVidia give the 4060s and 4070s at least the same memory cache as the 4080s? Surely, that is not a significant cost increase...but would have been a nice boost to reading memory on those cards.
Your personal research doesn't cut it. Systematic testing painted a different picture. It's... it's not pretty.
Nvidia's cache just isn't cutting it, it's one of their weaker points in the architecture.
Cache is a notoriously bad thing to add to any chip in this day and age, as it benefits very little from advanced nodes. An 4nm cache isn't twice as good as an 8nm cache, it's barely double digits.
AMD somehow pulled it off with their cache, but even they shrunk theirs. Cache on chips to compensate generally only cost space and money unless done right.
Because they want you to buy the 4080 or better. 🤣
I got my 4070 around a month ago for 600$ and so far I do like it (specially coming from a cheap PC that was running a 580 nitro). I wouldn't pay 800 for it, but for 600 I feel like it does the job pretty fine
Great job! My son in law just purchased a 4070ti, So I decided to do some research and see what card to get for my self. I honesty think I will wait and see what the 5000 series will bring. !m still rocking a 2080 super. I just actually took it apart and cleaned it last night, since the fans were making some noises. I never understood why the negative always shines through, but I always struggled to get nice things. Once my wife received her back pay on her disability we bought some really nice gaming PC's that was 3.5 years ago. She passed away last year in a car accident. To wrap it up I really enjoy this video, I also watched LinusTT video, but yours made my decision, Thank you.
my condolences to you and your wife, thank you for sharing and i hope you get something nice after waiting
So refreshing to see a rational and objective take of the current GPU market. Thanks
A lot of people are giving rational takes. Nvidia since 2000 series has given less and less performance jumps vs the previous generation for more money. Not a good trend.
@@MrMali22 Yes, I meant the ones with angry rants like GPU pricing were some life or death matter. And like Nvidia, AMD or any large commersial entity would somehow owe us something substantial.
They are free to proceed how they see fit and us customers can vote with our wallets. No need to get angry about it. Though someone like GN catching the big players for their occasional lies is a great thing.
@tkermi oh OK I got you. Yeah I don't watch or read the really irritational ones like a business is going to sell at what people are buying for. You don't buy it prices come down. I blame the consumers buying it more than anything. And yeah GN is my number one trusted. I'm rebuilding right now and almost bought Asus boards until GN and Jay brought them to the light
Nice breakdown of the current situation. Totally agree that what ever people buy, if they are happy with it, then there is nothing wrong.
just subscribed and thinking about upgrading to the 4070 soon, do you think the prices may drop for the TI versus in the next month
Used my 1080 Ti for almost 6 years, upgraded to 4080 and I’ve super happy, im playin bf42 in 3440x1440p on high settings 180+fps
Awesome! That must have been a big upgrade for you.
I'm still running a GTX1070, good card. But I really wanted to upgrade for years and started saving money for that in 2018, over a year before CoViD.
First came the 20 series, which sucked, so I decided not to upgrade.
Then came the pandemic and the chip shortage, so I decided to wait again.
Then came the war in Ukraine. I live in central Europe, so I waited some more because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to keep living here.
Now I have saved up a lot of money and my GTX 1070 is really starting to get old. I don't want to wait any more until the 50s series comes out, just because its price/performance MIGHT be better. I am already set on buying a 4080 this year and have 5 years worth of money saving to show that I'm not just some rich kid. True, the price/performance being bad is a bummer, but let's be honest. Ever since the chip shortage, all electronic components have always been horribly overpriced.
There’s always a better GPU on the horizon. Thankfully, the 4080 is excellent. It’s energy efficient, quiet, cool and has enough VRAM to last many years. I love my MSI Suprim X variant paired with my 3440x1440 monitor and will use it until the 7000 series.
4080 is a good option!
@@RiceWitch-dingus-400can it run with a Intel i5 13400f without bottleneck ?
Hi! Thank you very much for this video - I watched it whole and it gave me great and thorough insight into the 40 series. However, at the end some questions arose - where would you go from 1070 today? Until I have watched your video I thought about 4070/4070Ti, but now I am not so sure - maybe better choice would be to go for used 3080 (with warranty of course) which can be found in good money (similar to new 4060ti) on my domestic market and then just wait for what 50 series will bring?
The most amazing thing about the 4090 is that you can undervolt it or just put a power limit on it and it'll run pretty much the same as stock. Mine won't pull more than 250W at peak and it's giving me stock performance, it's actually amazing!
Happy to see you're getting sponsors man, well deserved!
yo im thinking abt getting a 4090 too, you mind telling which one you have?
@@DerYoshijyeah I'm curious on that too
You might be having a bottleneck because 250w is way too low for the 4090 even with undervolting. Are you sure that it's actually boosting to the correct boost frequency when its at 99-100% utilization?
Yeah... The 4090 is the only Nvidia card this gen that's actually "worth" the money.
@@tmkongen Putting "worth" is true xD. altough it being the most powerfull on the market rn is also true. i can see it holding that spot for quite some time too, as the other companies would have to upgrade quite a lot to catch up.
I purchased the 4070 on launch because I had nothing having waited for about a year without a GPU. If I could, I would have sat this generation out as I believe the 40 and 70 series cards were initially designed with crypto sales in mind. However having gone without, last summer and Christmas I decided the 4070 was my best option to not miss yet another summer wiith an empty space in my PC. Yes the 4070 Is over priced by fifty to a hundred dollars, but I've never built a pc where something wasn't over priced by that amount.Whether that be ram, motherboard etc so I pulled the trigger and finally the wait was over. Am I happy? More like relieved but the performance is awesome and I can get on with other things tech related instead of being obsessed with GPU prices as I have been for over a year. Pheew 😊.
I think you made the right decision and I get it entirely. So many other people were in your position as well. They sold GPUs to get ready for the 30 series and then no one could get a 30 series card. Then they were without a GPU altogether. It was a rough time for sure.
I understand, bro, you dont have to justify it to anyone. Is the GPU letting you play the games you wanna play? Or edit the videos you wanna render? or whatever it is that you use your PC for? Thats all that matters :)
4070 is a good buy in your situation. Now, enjoy your time instead of following the GPU prices nagging vids :)
Did AMD ever cross your mind? Not hating just curious.
@@ShowMeYourLizardFace Yep.. I wanted to purchase a 6800xt before Christmas, but they were retailing here in the UK at over £600. With occasional special offers just below that. Even now that card is insane here.. And the 4070 actually came out at MSRP I paid £589 for mine.
Wonderful video! Thank you for clarifying in detail. Subscribed. (Please consider adding more sound tracks in the background).
Thanks for the sub. I’ll consider it.
*Note:* The memory bandwidth is based on the memory bus width and memory clock speed.
Thank you for making this video, i watched all the way through, like well deserved. Very nice to see everything layed out so nicely and hope to see this kind of video for the 50 series.
This make me cautious of the 40 series but informed enough to know what card will suit my build.
I won a GTX 980 on release day September 2014. Nvidia hosted Game24 worldwide. Got it and an entire Maingear PC from Indianapolis. At the time I was pretty exclusively using Nvidia GPU's so of course I was on cloud 9.
EVEN with such a great personal memory from this, I have stuck with AMD GPU's the last few years. 5700 XT -> 6800 XT -> 7900XTX. RDNA and RDNA2 definitely had a fair amount of bugs in their drivers. I would get random graphical glitches in regular desktop / TH-cam streaming loads, but gaming was always just fine for me. Living on RDNA3 now and paired with a R9 7900X, it's been one hell of a good ride for the little bit of gaming I still get to do
The 3080 and 3060 Ti were really great cards. With the 4000 series did not deliver any of this value, in fact often it is not on the same level.
There is a lot of gap between 3000 series cards and the 4090, which Nvidia could have filled in much better. The 4090 stands out as odd.
Add in AMD and the only real advantage Nvidia has is DLSS 3, a feature in a few games and at lower spec GPUs I'm not sure it really adds much.
I was lucky to have the spare cash to move from a 3080 that I played at 1440p UW to a 4090.. I then had to upgrade my system and monitor just to keep up with it and switched to 4k. You can't simply upgrade to a 4090 :)
Yet he mention using old case as con for getting 4090. 😄
Where i live you would have hard time finding a case that cant fit a 4090, even the $25 one that i use as a test bench has a spare room. But atleast you would expect anyone buying this beast to give it enough honor to build entire new PC for it.
I already had LG C1 48 inch for a year and also since im pc builder as a job i just have all kinds of high end hardware sitting around so i was just waiting for queen gpu to take full advantage of it.
@@filippetrovic845 My case is a beQuiet 500Dx and previously had had 3080 AIB cards in, so was longish and the FE4090 fitted okay. I did change the front 280mm Freezer II rad for a 240 top mounted one as I didn't think it would fit, but it would have. The 5800x3d I have does very nicely on the 240 Freezer II. In fact the temps of the 4090 are a lot lower (like it mostly stays under 60C) than the FE 3080 I was using just before (that's a hot card).
I got an LG C2 48" :) Love it, and got it after the 4090.
I just upgraded from the 3060 to the 4070 ti and love it so far got the 4070 ti for 800$ felt like it was good price and so extremely impressed with it.
Thanks for a great and very informative video man ! Im considering upgrading my 2070 super to 4070 ti super..would it be worth the upgrade? A nice bump up in performance?
Thank you for pointing out how easy it is to forget timeline. We all have "malleable memory", and change our views over time without even realising it.
However, that 50 series... I'm not entirely sure it will ever arrive. Through the 30 series, nVidia made a fortune selling to miners. And even though gaming GPUs might have built their business in the past, they are now creaming big money from AI chips, while the 40 series crashes and burns with poor sales. So, why would nVidia even bother trying to win back gamers with a "better" 50 series, when it already has the next big earner in hand? Gaming GPUs are simply not a big enough profit earner anymore, since gamers won't pay the new asking prices.
Thanks for all the useful info. After about 30 years of console gaming, I only just entered the world of PC gaming last November. Bought a gaming laptop with an NVidia 3060 Laptop GPU. Huge difference from my PS4 Pro to say the least, however, it definitely gave me a desire to delve a little deeper into the possibilities of building my own gaming PC. Similar to how your buddy worked 2 jobs to get his GPU, I'm thinking of going the Johnny Cash route and getting my components 'one piece at a time' until I can build a high end gaming rig. Sure some components may not be the best of the best by the time I'm done (It'll probably take about a half year min), but the end result will still be a big step up from my 3060 laptop and a massive leap from the PS4. Either way, this was very insightful video and, as I'm in no hurry to begin building the PC, I may look into how long I would have to wait for the 50 series cards while a try to educate myself a little more on the subject.
I did the same thing when I built my first pc back in 2017. I bought mine piece by piece over the course of 6 months via sales from newegg & amazon. Managed to save $200 buying them on sale. Ryzen 1700 /w cooler, gtx 1080, b350 motherboard, 16gb of ram, 750w gold psu, & a pc case for $1400. I made some upgrades since then in 2018-2020 & added 1tb m.2 nvme, 1440p 140hz monitor, keyboard, + mouse, & 6 rgb fans for $970. So about $2370 total + tax. The only upgrade I'm considering atm is a 2tb m.2
@@b4rs629 the good ol' gtx 1080, I had a gtx 1070 until recently (got a good deal on a 3060 ti) and I still believe that 1000 series of cards was the best value
Hey just watched an was very informative appreciate your time explaining the value an comparaisons between 30 an 40 series. I have a gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Eagle can you recommend a great upgrade for 4K gaming
Bought RTX4070 for first gaming pc build, coming from GTX1050 laptop . It might not be the best CP value graphic card out there , but I'm happy with it.
for a new build they’re good buys i think. there just not much reason to upgrade from 30 series
I upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 4060 ti OC (12GB VRAM), so the performance upgrade I got is massive. It's all relative. I'm completely happy with the upgrade, no complaints. 😃
do you game at 4K? how is the performance?
@@shapourdashtpour63 Basically, you can't play on ultra settings with ray tracing at 4K and get good frame rates. You might have to lower or adjust some settings and compromise to get a performance that's acceptable to you. For example, Resident Evil 8 on ultra, 4K will struggle to give you 30 fps. I personally game at 1440, so this card is pretty good at those resolutions. I bought mine like a month before Nvidia announced their Super line of cards. If I had a choice, I would've shelled out another $100 and got one of those instead.
@@CT808 I'm thinking to get a Radeon 6950 XT
Hey man, thanks for all the info.
Plannin to update my laptop and wondering should I go with a 3070ti/3080ti or or find a 40 series now?
I purchased my first pre-built gaming PC and it came with a 3070 8gb. I know learned that 8gb v-ram is not enough. However, jumping from a PS4 Pro to this is a night and day difference and I’m very happy with it. I now learned what to look for when I buying or building a PC in the future.
Yeah 8GB isn't m7ch today....but if you learn to blend fps with graphics settings you can have some beautiful gaming experiences......I have a RX7600 8GB....
Oh it's enough!!!!! Not on ultra .
Overclock it! Under volt ⚡️ or boost !!!! Squeeze every bit out ya hardware but get it stable.
Great analysis, liked and subscribed. Some additional points - just replaced my son's GTX1060 with a RTX 4070 and my GTX1660 with the same, and this as you say due to disappointment with the 4060Ti/4060 offerings which we waited for, lack of RAM yes but also having only 8 lanes of PCIe, both our motherboards are PCIe3, and this would hit performance by about another 8-10% if running at half the speed of PCIe4 with only 8 lanes. And the current price of motherboards makes it an uneconomic upgrade, worth splashing on the 4070 instead. That's why I didn't wait out for the 16gb 4060Ti, it would still have have 8 lane issue, bad design choice from nVidia. But there's three other issues behind why I stuck nVidia, despite being an AMD CPU fan - driver support, I can get still get fresh drivers for an old GTX680 from 2012 but I can't get any Win11 drivers for a Radeon R9 380 (2015) for example, AMD have a long history of short driver support compared to nVidia (my first Radeon was the ATI Rage Pro 8mb (1996) and first nVidia was the TNT2 M64 32mb (1999) so and it has always been so!) Another point not being widely commented on - currency devaluation has been massive through the pandemic, so that when I bought a GTX 1070 for £400 back in 2016, that is equivalent to around £550 worth now. So paying £590-£600 for a 4070 is not nearly as bad as it looks at first. Finally, the power efficiency on these 4nm nVidia cards is so much better, and we've just been through an energy crisis with astronomic energy costs in the UK, and there's a significant saving to be had especially for heavy gamers. Not to mention that thing called climate change! I did think hard about upgrading to a 30xx series card, but who wants to pay good money for 3 year old tech, I wouldn't be upgrading if I owned one, but for those who've held off during the crypto madness, these new cards do make sense. (My other son saved hard to upgrade his GTX 1080Ti to a RTX4080 and loves it, good value or not). Looking forward to your future videos.
Literally just ordered the same card for $585, 3060’s were going for 1500 2 years ago , it feels like Christmas at this price point
I build my PC in 2019 a bit before shit hit the fan so to speak, I have a Desktop, with an I7 8700 16GB RAM and a 1070. Alongside other expenses such as a monitor, keyboard, etc, It costed like 1100 in total, right now i'm quite content with my system, but i'm annoyed I can't get 1440 with decent frame rates in games (which makes sense) I'm wondering how long should I hold out until I should consider upgrading / building a new system?
RTX 40 returns are the way to go... just buy a brand with a lax warranty policy like ASUS or MSI, and you're set. Got my RTX 4070Ti for $620 from an Amazon Return. At that price it's a heck of a card!
Could you explain this lax warranty and Amazon return a bit?
@@MitchellTheMitch Buy from Amazon Warehouse, where all the used (usually returned) items go. And you buy a brand that will still honor the warranty even though you weren't the original buyer, so if in case it fails prematurely you can get warranty repair or replacement.
@@MitchellTheMitch Just like @PURENT said. MSI, ASUS and EVGA are the ones I can, by experience, say will honor warranty without much questions. None of them require a proof of purchase, and will in that case just measure the warranty period by when the item left their factory.
Gigabyte, ZOTAC and most Radeon manufacturers suck at this, and will only honor the warranty if an invoice with your name is provided.
@emp1985 fellow 38ish year old, maybe I should have gone this route. I paid 609 for a 4070 oc which is only a pinch more mhz then a 4070 and you could probably overclock a regular 4070 anyways. But the TI definitely had some perks. I imagine sometimes you would strike out with an open box though? Maybe for example it had a slight fan whine that original buyer didn't like. Looks like you got a winner. I usually skimp on the card and splurge on the processor.
@@ayliniemi Right, there's still some risk like minor issues like a bad fan, or cosmetic damage... but if it comes with an issue outside of your expectation/tolerance, it's an Amazon Return away from resolution :)
I feel like the 4070 is so close to being an actually great card. If it was $50-$100 cheaper and/or had 16gb of vram, preferably both, I think it’d be much more positively received. It’d essentially be a modern featured 3080 that’s smaller, draws 2/3 the power, has more vram, and costs $150-$200 less. That feels like a genuinely great spot for it
At 400-450 for aib cards 16GB of vram it would be an okay card imo (not sure what your prices are, here it's about 700 euros).
"if the 4070 was not a bad card, it would have been a good card. so close"
The RTX 4070 is $50 cheaper now in response to the release of the RX 7800 XT.
It’s the only 4000-series card that isn’t dumb, really
Every one but nvidia and their shareholders agrees with you, its a classic Apple dick move.....
I have just started researching the parts needed for a gaming pc. What is the recommended GPU for intermediate gaming? And this will be my first pc built. Any advice?
4070 is the only card at Nvidia's stack that actually feels not too bad to buy for $570. It offers more performance per dollar than any other 4000 series cards. It has 12gb vram which is not great but at least it's not 8gigs right? It runs under 200 watts and provides roughly the same performance as 3080 does. Maybe slightly slower but hey it doesn't pull 320 watts. 4070ti doesn't make as much sense because it's only about 20% fps increase while no vram increase, you can't go 4k in all titles because of that. Also more than 33% price hike isn't well received. It also does pull around 280 watts which is again not good. 4080 is a great gpu, the most power efficient card of all the 4000 lineup, it doesn't suck because it has 16gigs of vram. But man $1200 is too darn expensive. It's supposed to be the 800 dollar card. 4060 8gb is okay for 1080p gaming for it is both cheap and it'll do 1080p just fine. For a power efficiency perspective, you can get the 4060 and call it a day. But for price/performance, there are a lot of alternatives from the previous generation of both nvidia and amd. 4060 Ti 8gb is an insult for $400. $4060ti 16gb is an insult too because last time I checked, 8gb vram did not cost 100 dollars. So that's how I feel about the entire 40 series. For a power efficiency perspective, 4070 is great, it is okay for 1440p and for $570 I feel less bad.
Completely agree man thats the same conclusion ive made after researching the market for the past month as at the time I bought every other part for my first pc build and the 4070
seems the only reasonable option unless you wanna go AMD. I'm getting my 4070 tomorrow upgrading from a laptop 1650ti. Yes all the cards are overpriced but what isn't these days? I might go the 4070ti if it was 16gb VRAM but gosh would they bump the price up if that were the case :/
The 3080 didn't really pull 320w most of the time though. Just like the 4090 is virtually never pulling 450w.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Oh yeah it pulls 300ish on average, also 4070 does 180ish on average.
to me it's the worst gpu after 4060/ti, even 4080 would be better: at least you're maxing 1440p for next 4-5 years with no restriction while 600$ gpu for, eventually, 1080p doesn't make any sense while at 1440p is ok but definitely not enough now, imagine in 2 years...
@@sandbox8717 100 fps for $570 vs 150 fps for $1200. Just keep the remaining $630 in your wallet and buy a way faster gpu after 2 years with it, a gpu that's better than rtx 4080. Not to mention, sell your existing 4070 for like $200 in two years and add it up to your purchase to buy an even faster gpu.
I went from a 1050TI to the RX 6750XT. Getting somewhat equal performance to a 3070 / 3060 ti - depending on model, and it cost me about AU$100 less.
It also fits in my SFX case which a lot of 30 series cards onwards can't do because they're at least 3.5 slots thick which is an entire slot wider than my case supports.
The 4070 founders, sold in the USA at Bestbuy stores, walk in sales only, is only 40 mm wide. There are 5 other 4070 51mm and thinner :) But another 15 or so 4070 are wider :(.
4070 is only 200 watts. With say a Ryzen 7 58003DX cpu, a 600 watt power supply is enough to pair with any 4070. It's what I run with 600 watt psu. Along with an asus dual OC.
A 4070 ti or above is too wide, and too hot to fit in my system. AMD = too hot !
4070 which are thin: (the ventus has a poor cooler) (asus dual OC has a great cooler and heatsink)
pny dual 39 mm
nvidia founders 40 mm
msi ventus 43 mm
gigabyte windforce 50 mm
gigabyte eagle 50 mm
asus dual OC 51 mm
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Great choice as it will last you longer than the 3070/3060ti too, given the 12GB VRAM. Devs aren’t bothering to stay under 8GB for medium-high settings anymore.
i use rx6600xt
Hello. What graphics card would you recommend to upgrade a RTX2060?
My Lenovo Legion T5 includes a upgraded 800W power, i5-10400, Motherboard is 512CIeNVMeOPAL, memory 16Gb
It would be nice if it was cheaper. I like the card since it’s optimized for low power usage. DLSS 3.0 is nice, but only a few games support it which makes the feature useless.
Just want to mention that memory bandwidth depends on bus-width and memory speed. You shouldn’t say “they cut down the vram bandwidth” because it’s not “cut down”. It’s just a result of the smaller bus (in those cases).
Yes, they made the bus smalller, in other words they cut down it's size/width....
Im looking to upgrade to a 4070 from my 1070ti... think itll be a good buy?
Coming from a 1080, didn’t want to drop down a SKU but I got the 4070 ti open box for 600 plus tax. Was saving for a 4090 but I couldn’t pass up the deal. Still on 8700k and I doubled my frame rates in MW2. Went ahead and ordered the 13600k and mobo. I’m really happy with the performance so far, just need a bigger case for my Gigabyte gaming OC.
I was cpu limited alot with a 3070ti and 8700k.
Mw2?! 😂
My 4090 gives me the vibes i had, when i first tested my 1080ti 6 years ago. Its a massive performance leap from my previous 3090 but needs less power and runs quite and cool (60C) even on cyperpunk 2077 with pathtracing. And first i was sceptical about frame generation. But when setup correctly its a insane technique already.
cyberprank?
Lol I still use a 1080 ti
@@dominicward bro i have a gtx 750 please give me if u dont need it
@@Handsome_Squidward69420 sorry but i use this as my main and don't have any replacements : (
@@Handsome_Squidward69420bay sell them for less than a night out with a mediocre looking date. Much better value.
So I'm thinking about building a new pc should I go with the 4080 or the 4090 and is the 4090 really worth that price hike from the 4080
My man. Love the message about spreading your positivity and keeping things civil. TH-cam trolls are always going to complain. Tell your boy good on him for working on hard and knowing how to manage his money. Hope you're right about the upcoming 50 series cards! My fear is that we are going to get SMASHED with another GPU shortage. One even worse than what we experienced recently.
After attempting to research what the hell was going on with GPUs nowadays I’m really glad I’ve come across your video as it’s pretty much narrowed down my next card in the future …. Maybe not nvidia but who knows what may happen cheers buddy
What can you suggest with my ryzen 5 7600x since rtx 4060 ti has its draw backs? Thank you
The problem with the 40 series from Nvidia is this: The Ada Lovelace is a very strong architecture, and Nvidia demonstrated what is possible with the 4090. It didn't matter what the flagship 4090 was priced at because no normal person was going to buy it; only out of touch rich people are going to buy that. Nvidia then had a choice to either give mainstream gamers major performance uplift with the 40 generation or really good prices. Nvidia chose neither option, and instead decided to snub the entire consumer base with cut down overpriced cards.
Nonsense Comment.
I'm one of those who finally said "screw it" and got a 4070. Galax was selling their EX gamer version, which has excellent reviews for 589. With Nvidia announcing they are basically halting 4000 series production until inventory moves (which will drive prices back up), it was time, and the price was low enough to make it worth the purchase. I'd have thought about the 3080 or 3080 Ti, but I need the Av1 encoding, so . . .
And the power efficiency is much better than either 3080.
I've been looking at that same card, i'm just getting into PC building (aka I have slowly been buying parts and am so close to getting to actually having a running PC lol) how has that card been for you????
@@FallingBloodrain Works great, runs cool under heavy load, fans are quieter than on my 3060. Their overclocking utility was not that good. Would push overclocking too far on a regular basis and cause a lock up or crash. Wound up reinstalling MSi Afterburner. Got more stable results with it.
But as far as the hardware end goes- excellent. Besides the stuff mentioned earlier, mine has zero coil whine.
3080 updrade to 3070 ain't that good. I am upgrading from 3060 ti to 4070 ti!
@@RiceWitch-dingus-400 Don't know what you were reading, but it was adding a 4070 to my existing 3060 and getting close to 4080 performance
meant to say 4070 but still if you have a 3080 get a 4070 ti @@swdw973
I have a question
Do you recommend to upgrade my RTX 2080 to a 40 series?
It depends. Are you content with the FPS you’re currently getting? Do you always set all your gfx settings to high/ultra or do you sometimes go down to medium or low?
I went from a 2080 super to the 4070 and I’m happy with the upgrade.
FELLOW GAYMERS
WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR Urges to buy the rtx 40 series, we should wait for the rtx 50 series
The never ending debate when it comes to nVidia and AMD. I could go into lengths about how every nVidia generation screwed over their customers performance/price wise more and more since GT8800 times, but I think this video explains it quite well. AMD is not without fault however. Bottom line- do your research before committing for any hardware purchase, as buying the new thing might sometimes be a downgrade. Still happy with my 4070ti, as expected is around 15fps faster than 3070ti, so not really a worthy upgrade now when I look back at it.... :D
amd always been behind nvidia its not a debate at all
I do wonder though what's the point of buying a 4070ti when you already had a 3070ti ?
No wonder why people are so upset if they keep buying a new GPU every 3 years...
I mean, if you have the money that's good for you but I think the 4000 series is especially good for people who are still with their 1000 or 2000 series.
I have a GTX 1070 and to me, the RTX 4070 looks like a nice upgrade. Before my GTX 1070, i had an AMD R9 290x (that was new at the time) and it wasn't good experience at all. The card was too hot, the drivers were always late and full of bugs, it was just terrible experience. No doubt that AMD is doing a better job now but still, DLSS and DLSS 3 Frame Gen are a much bigger deal than Ray Tracing imo. AMD's FSR is honestly not great and they have nothing like Frame Gen.
Point being, AMD gives you better numbers for the money but you're losing some nice features too. DLSS3 isn't available for all games mind you but it's a new technology that we will see more and more.
@@MadX8 tbh 4070ti was something along the lines of a gift with trade-in for 3070ti. I can't say there is massive increase in performance (dlss3 aside), however more since my 1080ti days, 12gb vram is more than welcome for 4K , than 3070ti 8gb. Would I jumped over to 4xxx series just because? No. Did I do it because there was an offer I couldn't refuse? Yes.
this helps me a lot thank you! I'm looking at getting a 30 series card bc a 40 wont fit my case but I was looking at a 3060ti (I still run a 1660 super) and there's so much info out there that's positive and negative. Is the 3060ti worth it for the $300?
Based on Nvidia wanting 10/20 series owners to upgrade to the 40 series and not so muc hthe 30 series owners, the 50 series should be a large improvement to coerce 30 series owners to upgrade.
I feel this comment. I think Nvidia is trying to coax the older series card holders to come forward and buy a 40 series card to finally get that much needed upgrade in performance. I myself am still sadly running a GTX960 in my rig, even though I just built a whole new system, due to the fact these cards are so expensive and its hard to justify the cost.
My take on this is that the 40xx series is significantly better for ray-tracing. Look at the transistor counts, which have increased 100% in some cases (3070->4070). What are all those extra transistors doing because you are not seeing a corresponding increase in GPU cores? It seems to me that Nvidia are betting big time on ray-tracing. Until Cyberpunk Overdrive edition, ray-tracing was disappointing. You had to look pretty hard to see any difference, usually in the puddles. If we get more fully ray-traces games then the 4070 and above will suddenly be seen as great cards. However, if we do not, then you just paid for about 17 billion transistors that you won't use much. It's a tough call. If no one buys cards that can run fully ray-traced then games won't bother providing it. My guess is that if you buy a 4070 or above, then you will be using it much longer than a 30xx card if fully ray-traced games do become the norm.
Having just got a 40 series recently I'm really impressed with the frame gen as well being able to run Witcher 3 with ray tracing and get a great fps and I'm unable to spot any negative aspects to it is fantastic
For those who haven't noticed, they've already admitted quietly that Ray tracing is already obsolete and path tracing is far superior. So we will see if the next gen video cards go that direction
I just went to 4070 and the ray tracing is gorgeous@@ama9385-w2g
1440p gaming
Where do I get my 17 billion transistor gpu sign me up
Hey guys. I could use some advice. I’ve had an IMac for about 12 years and I’ve decided to make the sensible switch to PC. I want to build my own to a high spec but the choices in gpu and cpu is a bit overwhelming. I’ve quickly learned there is a bit of a war between Nvidia and AMD and between intel and ryzen. I’d love some suggestions on which graphics card I should go for? I was looking at the 4080 super which is due to be released but is there a comparable one with AMD that would be cheaper?
In March I was looking at the 4070ti vs 7900XT.
They were priced about the same at the time and RT was not a big topic for me.
I considered the games I was playing and as they were performing about the same at 1440p, the additional VRAM is what sold me at the time and I went for the 7900XT.
3 months later and the 7900XT has moved ahead of the 4070ti in 1440p performance, while still at the same price point.
My guess is that 40 series Nvidia cards will hit VRAM limitations before hit by limitations on other performance aspects. I expect the VRAM amount to turn out to be the achilles heel of the 4080 and 4070 and 4070ti.
Depends on the resolution you play at. For 1440p, 12gb should be fine and 16gb should be plenty for many years to come.
@@Z4d0k Yes, resolution matters a great deal, but its not the only factor. F.ex. RT causes more VRAM usage and the gaming industry has generally needed "overspend" effort to stay within VRAM limitations. Not to say they dont need to optimize, but at some point the balance is off. I expect this to change and them to target 16Gb for 1440p in the newest and coming games (2-3 years). The 4080 will be OK, but the 4070ti will be powerfull enough, but not have enough VRAM. Owners will be forced to dial down quality, despite the GPU being powerfull enough.
This leads me back to my choice of the 7900XT over the 4070ti at the same pricepoint. If the 4080 was at the same price as the 7900XT, I might have gone for that. If RT was important for me I would have asked myself if I should wait for the 4080 to reduce in price.
To be honest, for the past 25 years, I have had both AMD and NVidia cards and just go for what is the best choice at the time. I see drivers being part of the narrative a lot of times, but most of the time its stories that are years old, so we as gamers should rather ask ourselves if these stories are still relevant for choice of GPU today?
yeah amd drivers aging well is just a consequence of the fact that at day1 basically half of their stuff just doesn't work/properly and it takes ages for amd to fix them lol but I would definitely stick with 7900 xt this time, especially if rt gimmick is not a thing for you
I upgrade from 3060 ti to 4070 for couple of reasons. 1) at its time of release, it is the cheapest 40 series card. 2) its 50% more perf than the 3060 ti. 3) 4070 ti with 12 GB VRAM is not enough for its price(if the 4070 ti has 16 Gbs of VRAM, I buy it but 12 GB is not cutting it). 4) it is very efficient gaming wise. Overall, Despite for what I paid for it(MSRP), it is a good card, it just sit at the wrong price.
No , is not a good GPU is worst than 6800xt, that is the problem a 2020 GPU vs 2023. 4080 yes is a good change or 3090. But 4070 NO.
performance wise. it is on par with the 6800xt/3080(1-3% difference). And yes I could get a 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt/3080 12 GBs and get away with it. But, there are multiple reasons why I am getting it; 1. Case compatibility- 6800xt/6900xt/6950xt are too big for my case, 2. PSU size- I have a 650W PSU and with only 200W, it is power efficient for the PSU, 3. Im on an AM4 platform and I can't upgrade to anything else so I don't really need to consider a big GPU to upgrade it to, 4. Since im on the last draw of AM4, if I ever need to upgrade in couple years, I will be able to do it with future tech GPU. those are the reasons why I pick the 4070 over anything, Length, PSU wattage size.
What gpu is good for 3D programs like blender, maya, c4d, photoshop?
I suspect 50 series GPU's will not be as good as you think, but your logic would clearly be correct. The difference this time being, Nvidia is so invested in AI systems. Which yield them much much greater profits compared to gamer GPU's. I would think they will care even less in next generation about the gamers, making 50 series as bad as 40 series or with slight improvements. At least if they learn to supply proper memory amounts with next gen cards, In my ipinion that will be a win for us gamers. Price/performance however will not have a much better outcome.
There are many of us who are tired of negativity. Nice that you address this topic.
I have the 4090 and while very expensive, this Card has insane Power. Pure Fun. The power draw in Gaming is so far max 380w.
And you are right. I upgraded from a 6700k 980ti to a 13900k 4090. And i worked my Ass off to safe the Money.
1080 Ti is a Monster from the past! I really enjoyed gaming on that card not that long ago. Currently, I had to go with AMD and the XFX 7900 XTX. For $949 in early March I've been playing every "broken" game at native, true, actual 4k, maxed out (RT too;) at 60fps+ on Day 1 with Zero issues. It OCs to 3Ghz+ under 450w/57c max sustained load and 1.1Tbs on its 24GB VRAM. I just could not justify the added ~$1,000 for a nice RTX 4090 and another, larger PSU; that might catch fire (12v..). Anyway, I've been and remain insanely happy with my purchase and cannot recommend it enough. Let's be CLEAR, it is not a competitor to the ~$2k 4090. Though, it does still occasionally beat that GPU, which is hilarious. In reality it's getting 4070 Ti-4080ish RT and 4080-4090+ raster #NoFires
the 1080TI is still a monster. it out performs the 20 and 30 series and is about the same as the 4090.
I had a 1050TI and upgraded to a 2080TI and found the 1050TI was actualy better..
then got the 1080TI to replace the 2080TI and found a massive improvement.
Now ive got the 4090 and not a lot of diff in performance. graphics look better but lower FPS. my main game on the 1080TI it was 90FPS on the 4090 its only getting 30fps. but things do look nicer and brighter.
The RTX cards r only better if u play in 4k and use ray tracing and DLSS but if u dont use those then the RTX cards r a waste of money.
None of my games use ray tracing or DLSS and my PC wont run games in 4k as it makes everything way to small to see the text on the screen so only run them in 1080p. i dont even run windows in 4k as it makes everything a lot smaller and harder to see the icons on the desktop.
even with a 50 inch monitor that is 4k running windows in 4k is really bad. got fed up with having to get up walk to the monitor and use a magnifying glass to read what it said on the screen so went back to 1080p.
So wasted £1800 on a card that doesnt work as good as the 1080TI.
4090 Benchmarks r 1 thing but when u actualy use it for games its not as good as the 1080TI.
Even with the best CPU on the market and 32GB ram the 4090 is still not as good as the 1080TI.
4070 is the only other good card on the stack besides the 90. 600 bucks is only like 50 bucks too high, and the card itself is actually extremely capable. There's more than just "4060 ti sucks" that made people start to buy it. Turns out it's a pretty great card (for the 40 series).
True, only thing I don't like is the 12gb vram. I had problems with my 3070 Ti 8gb on 3440x1440p, so I was looking at the 4070/4070 Ti for an upgrade but nvidia cheaping out on the vram made me get a 20gb 7900XT instead.
@@defrankeninteresting. I have a 3070 it as well but I only game on 1440p by 1080 or 1080 standard if I need more frames.
until you literally require RAM for any demanding productivity work. For a new build going from laptop, I got an Arc A770 for 16GB at half the cost until prices on higher performance kit return to better value.
What is better nvidia or amd for gaming
You have my subscription. Straight talk and informative!!!! I am so sick of people talking about GPU's like I understand what they are saying. You broke it down and I thank you.
Going to jump from the RX 580 to the RTX 4070 Super
That will be a massive upgrade for you!
Awesome! I have a 590 and I'm looking to get a 40 series as well. Hope it works out for you
@@davidwas77 i hope the same for you
Don't want to put more than the ~600€ budget into a Gfx card for my next PC (time to retire my GTX980) - was looking at the 4070, thanks for the decent overview. Was wondering though, might it be preferable to pick up a used 3080 or 3090? instead at a similar (or even lower?) pricepoint?
Though, while I could possibly save a couple bucks with the 3090, it seems like the 4070 will outperform it in many areas, as long us you don't use 1440 or higher resolution ... and that at lower wattage ...
This is easily the most informative video I've found while doing my upgrade research. I'm looking to upgrade from my strix 3080 ti to a 4080 oc, and the thing that stands out to me in everything is that the price of the 4080 has stayed about the same but the 4090 has gone up 500-1000 usd.
Yes, I don't understand how they are talking up the 4090 when it's absurdly (+80%) priced compared to 4080 and only 5-10% faster.
I am currently using 3060ti to play 4k games. I originally planned to upgrade to 4070ti, but as many 3a masterpieces this year have poor optimization and this trend is becoming more and more serious. Developers rely on dlss and are lazy, so they instantly give up the idea of upgrading and buy ps5 to play Final Fantasy 16 and ff7 will be released next year.
blackwell is in development
if u can wait a year or two do it
@@arghpee Thats what Im doing. I have rx 6700 (bought it during black friday in november and it was pretty much best budget card at the time) and playing at 1080p/1440p(depending on the game) but saving up for 50 series. When it comes out ill probably get 5080 and finally move on to 4k gaming.
Which will both come to PC and be better on PC lol. I'll be enjoying them in 4k on my 4090.
Wait for the "ThEy HaVeN't CoNfIrMeD tHeY'rE cOmInG tO pC" from the person that has no understanding of Square's business model XD even though they've confirmed 16 for PC and it's just a matter of time till they confirm the rest of the FF7 remake for PC.
Dou you understand nvidia segmented the cards in order to provide different tiers for 1080p, 1440p and 4K ? Up to 500 are 1080p cards, between 500 and 1000 are 1440p cards and over 1000 avec 4K cards. It is normal for games to demand more and more from computers. Especially right now, 2 years after the release of the consoles, they became the new baseline for upscaled 30fps games. If you want your game to look like consoles at 4k60 without upscaling, you will need 3 times the raw power. Given the PS5 is roughly a 5700xt, good lock with your 3060ti.
Devs are not lazy, they target 30fps for the consoles and they might make mistakes preventing the engine to fully use a more powerfull CPU to be able to reach higher FPS.
The 4070ti is a little better than a 3080, It will not be a 4k card for long anymore.
@@PyromancerRift regarding the 4070TI, you reckon it will have a decent lifespan for someone only doing 1440p gaming? So in my case I would be going from an 2060S to a 4070Ti.
I am running a dual 970 on my actual build and I am looking at replacing it with probably a 4070 TI, what do you guys think?
Thats pretty messed up that you were getting a hate for buying a 4080. Its your money and you can do whatever you want with it. Then again remember that 3080 wasnt even available for its msrp for 99% of people yet people were still willing to pay twice the price from the scalpers. Im pretty sure plenty of people bought 3080 for more than the price of 4080.
I am pretty sure you are correct! The issue is that so many people get caught up in their feelings over hardware. It is especially true with older gamers. Most critics are guys that are 10+ years older than me telling me about how "back in their day.." this and that. I'm not trying to be rude by any means at all. However, after hearing this stuff over and over it just makes me say "ok grandpa, thanks for letting me know." But yeah it is true. I had people insult me, write negative comments, unsubscribe, leave my Discord, and even create alt accounts to troll me all because I bought a 4080. It's ridiculous man.
@@ErockOnTech Honestly it almost sounds like jelousy. Thats like someone with cheap ass car hating on someone who bought lamborghini.
I have a 4090 and get shit all the time on r/pcmasterrace. The argument is that i am encouraging Nvidia’s anti-consumer practices by buying it. But the 4090 actually has good price to performance, much better than any other card in the 40 series. I can’t tell if it’s jealousy or people just wanting to be outraged at something.
@@Marko-ij4vyyou're correct in that he shouldn't get hate. But buying a 4080 at whatever price isn't any better because people paid more for a 3080.
Also you really shouldn't just write off criticism as jealousy. Some people may be jealous but I'd bet most are just angry at companies and are taking it out on people instead.
I for one am definitely jealous of people with 4090s, too expensive to justify when I don't do any work on my home pc. 4080s not so much. If I wanted one I could buy one, and then use it to play no games until Xdefiant and Starfield release so I'm ok waiting another 2 months and see how prices are then.
I paid more for my 2080ti during the start of the crypto and skipped the 30 series. I am building a new PC and the 4080 was cheaper so for me great deal.
It's crazy how much time I used GTX 1060 6GB. After 5 years, yesterday finally upgraded to 40 series.
If you had a 1060 what would you upgrade too these days?
While the pattern tells us one good generation one awful generation price/performance-wise I don't think Nvidia will care that much if they can get away with it. Also, the 30 Series was good price/performance that was in theory since all 30 series cards were scalped and/or cornered by the stupid cryptobros, so we really had two bad generation for price performance in a row. This is why people are so mad right now with the prices of the 40 series and rhe 7000 series from AMD, because they want to ripp us off three times in a row!
Only reason I'm considering going from 30 to 40 series is the AI mesh generation tech for up coming games. Like cyberpunk and few others are going to be using it and drastically improves FPS. I think a lot of reviews leave this factor out.
I went from 3070 to rx 7900xt. Price to performance seems like a way better deal to me. 900 dollars compared to 1200+ for the 4080. Performance is a bit under a 4080 in rasterization and about on par with a 3090 in Ray tracing. Seems like a win to me.
For someone considering buying a 4090. and the price has gone up since this video. which psu is a smart buy with it and which one to avoid? and what is a good way to support the massive card?