Brutally Ranking Vocalists Of 4th Gen Kpop Girl Groups
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Another brutal BUT respectful vocal ranking, enjoy!
This video is inspired by @everglowup and her wonderful content on stage presence in kpop!
During Yeji's section I've used clips of a video originally by @JinLiaTV
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 This is a ranking
0:34 The rules
1:03 Bias check?
1:49 12
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5:24 10
6:59 9
9:08 8
10:48 7
12:50 6
15:12 5
17:44 4
20:36 3
24:17 2
27:07 1
30:28 Outro
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ACTUALLY it is LIZ who is the youngest vocalist on this list! My bad!
She and Hanni are like a month apart though
Wait- LIZ IS 19???
@@mujigau yup sullyoon too
Not you calling Sull-yoon "Zion".It's seol-yoon. What the hell????
@@amsrroleplaylila7173 its pronounced as that but its written as sullyoon in English
@@itsavias yes, and sullyoon is pronounced seol-yoon in any language
as a former sm stan, nmixx is such a fresh kind of group in kpop. the way they can sing perfectly while dancing. I just recently got into them
NMIXX is such unexpected to see from JYP haha it’s almost like they finally wanted to take the vocal crown from SM 😂
agreed, if just their songs were better (my personal taste)
I’m not a huge fan of their music, it’s just not really my style but they’re such good vocalist it’s really impressive tbh
@@PinkySoda yes, there is no denying on that
If only their music is as good as their talents could bring...I find it hard to listen to their music, it doesn't suit them at all. Nmixx is talented don't get me wrong.. but everyone is vocally strong, seems shouting in my ears, no diversity in tones and musical styles at all. but at least they are not autotune queens like others out there
Lily is just too good for her own good
Edit: i need Haram, Jiwon, Yechan, Chaein, Sieun, Monday Yuri or Yunjin for a part two
And she keeps going, imagine her at 25
@@martacastillo6272that's still a mystery considering JYP does not focus on talent development, rather they are focusing more on promoting and working . Sadly it degrade their talent since they don't have time to improve their skills. Ah wait, they are indeed have training, but it is for dancing haha.
@@marklawrenceanzale1110 or maybe she's improving on her own because she has a solid base and is extremely passionate about singing🤷🏽♀️ There's idols who rely on their company's training, but Lily had training before entering JYP (her dad is a musician, and apparently he taught his daughters how to sing since they were little, I've seen clips of her sister singing on his instagram and she's great as well). If Lily has a good foundation of technique, knows how to look after her voice's health, and has objective self awareness for improvement, she'll keep going, no matter what the company is going for.
I think that's why SM has their reputation of having good singers, they scout for trainees who have a good understanding of their own voice already.
@@martacastillo6272you're right, one can improve by themselves with passion but just like I said, they have no time for that if the company doen't let them rest or give them enough time to train. For the past few months I feel like Lily has straining her voice more than their debut, she keeps hittings highnotes nonstop that it is slowly affecting her. How can she improve if she can't even rest?? Passion won't anything if there is no free time.
@@marklawrenceanzale1110 during the Showcase Tour I agree with you, but it's because they were a bunch of 90 minute concerts a week with a lot of belty songs in a row. Singing all those bridges definitely take a toll. But during her livestreams I've noticed no difference or decline thankfully, I think she _is_ mindful about resting her voice. She always mentions about not wanting to get injured as a performer, I want to think that she includes her voice as well.
The fact that we already know whos the top three is😂 and they also the best on each register, Ningning is the queen of the lower register, Haewon is the queen of mid register and Lily is the queen of the upper register in this generation
Queen of the lower register is Monday from Weekly. You can listen it in her cover of Adel's "When we were young"
Không. Vị trí thứ 1, 2 là đúng nhưng thứ 3 phải là Swan từ Craxy
Facts 👌
@@k_pop_entertainment Ningning's lower register is better than Monday's actually, I'd say Monday's low register is 2nd best amongst 4th gen main vocals
Queen of lowest register is Illit Moka 😂
I was surprised to see Karina here, the fact that she made it to this rank even when she's not main nor lead vocalist says A LOT about her potential. Thanks for including her
Didn’t sm change winter to a main vocalist or something? so wouldn’t that make karina a lead
@@franksoceanno, it wouldn’t. she’s a sub vocalist, giselle is pretty much interchangeable with karina but she’s very underused in aespa’s music.
@@user-il1ey2ur3x i always thought karina was a secret lead with how much she sings in aespa’s songs especially compared to giselle
@@franksoceanNingning is main vocal while Winter is lead vocal. However I feel Karina also deserves to be a lead vocal. SM however never updates their positions like how is after all these years Joy from Red Velvet still just sub vocal and not lead vocal.
@@vixxexo6855Winter is now Main alongside Ningning. Seeing how Karina is been treated as a vocalist, I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed her to Lead vocal soon, especially now that the group doesn’t have one.
Ningning has such a pleasent vocal tone and the vocal runs are so satisfying to listen to.
Haewon is one of the most under appreciated vocalists(before someone comments it’s because of Lily she is getting overshadowed by her popularity because of her voice)
Haewon has shown resonance one of the rarest thing in this kpop industry only a few have shown resonance her vocals tone is also so pleasing hope more people will know about her
You mean 25:15 ? It sounds so satisfying
yes, even when someone talks about vocal it's kinda rare that them mentioning haewon
Resonance is rare in 4th gen but it isnt on 2nd-3rd gen esp 2nd gen, isnt it?
(Taeyeon, hyolyn, suju kry, luna, jonghyun, onew, shinee.
Ailee, solar, chen, baek, do)
Kpop industry? Its not of the rarest thing if you think about several gens back then
@@ristocrats247 the most were in the 2nd gen yes that doesn’t mean It isn’t rare even in the 2nd gen it was rare we had a lot of good vocalist but still not everyone had resonance and in the 1st 3rd en 4th gen almost no one has resonance
NMIXX is such a classic example of if you're talented, there's no way your company is going to hide that. They're going to make you do hella covers, they'll make you sing live all the time and even in your dance practices like they will not cut corners or edit stuff out if they don't have to
Nmixx is a threat, not only they have those vocals, they are able to deliver them while dancing as if they weren't dancing
Some examples of Lily's improved riffs and runs are her most recent livestreams (Leisure with Lily #12 and her birthday livestream). I've noticed that she improved because she lightens her voice to achieve better precision and note separation, she used to drag the notes because of too much weight
I wouldn't say improved since she's alr been doing these before.. Singing runs with a lighter voice is way easier.. She's prob practicing her agility on areas she's weaker at..
@@lonesomewillyhandful8897 I do think that doing a better habit more often is improvement. She does a better approach at runs more frequently now.
What Lily is to 4th gen, is like what Wendy is to 3rd gen.
Absolute tops of their generations.
Nah she gives off Yuju from Gfriend vibes because of the power in her voice
no
Lily did cover Psycho by RV and ATE!!!!
@@nkazeeskpopworld8852yuju is not as good as wendy though
Lily on top exactly as she should also lets talk about nmixx having 3 of THE best vocalists of 4th gen in one group
Even 4. Cause Kyujin obviously better than Lia and Yeji, maybe better than Karina too.
And in this list not included Monday from Weekly and Yunjin from Le Sserafim.
Can you believe people dont believe winter singing live when she sings live because her voice quality is just too good
I think it also has to do with the fact that she does it with a straight face too it’s crazy lol
@@PinkySoda she also doesn't open her mouth that much compared to other idols she's just amazing
which live performances?
@@caro6861 its kind of insane how loud her voice can get with her mouth not that open
I can do the same thing lol,I thought singing without opening your mouth much is common ? Maybe it isn’t idk.
I actually can't wait to see what hanni can do as new jeans discography doesn't really give a lot of opportunities but I think her greatest assset so far is her tone. I've been waiting for her by jeans
Hanni can’t sing so he can’t show anything when he can’t even sing. New Jeans all are tone deaf.
But I also how she is very precised and well detailed vocalist~
yeah she has a very cute/sweet tone
Hanni, Minji and especially Hyein's vocal tones define NewJeans's soft-sounding songs the most
@@OK-mv4ih The best vocalist of Newjeans is Hanni and Danielle.
If we only talk about voice tone then I really love Ningning's tone. Backed up with her technique, it's just so beautiful. The only 'problem' I found is just she's still unstable during live performances.
I remember watching a very outstanding Next Level performance by Bada, and I could only imagine if Ningning could gain more confidence like her, it would be perfect.
And for NMIXX, one thing that impressed me is how confident they are on stage. Like every member is just so good. They sing so loud with chest held high, and that's quite rare nowadays. They really don't need any backtracks. Too bad I'm still not quite comfortable with their songs, but I hope in the future I will.
I think ningning has actually gotten so much better with her vocal stability, she did really well during spicy era.
What she needs is confidence to do complex high notes live.
Yeah like even Bae sings live like its childs play
Yah I really love aespa's diverse tones
Thats wwhat ive been saying. If Ningning had the boldness Winter has, and if Winter had Ningnings technique, they'd be INSANE together. Perfect vocal tones already, just need a little more training tbh
@@mel1723 yup both have very unique and amazing tones too
I'm such a fan with how much haewon adjuste her voice to fit the mood of different songs and this girl even if she is out of breath will always sing the right note
OMG I AGREE SO MUCH. I feel like sometimes she sings so powerfully but sometimes sings so softly and gently. Like for example her bridge line in LMLT and her pre chorus line in My Gosh.
@@vortexray8120 RIGHT
@@vortexray8120 her part in My Gosh is my favorite
Ningning and Lily’s tones are my favorite theyre so amazing
taste
Karina is just an all-rounder at life atp and it’s funny how translates to her vocals.
Imagine if she writes songs too 💀💀 God has favorites fr
Help why doesn’t anyone say that her vocal skills are good due to her hard- working and training ? Not everything is naturally granted y'know ?
@@Verowinday777obviously she works hard but some things come naturally to others it’s called talent. she’s talented and it shows but if she continues to work hard she can excel in something that she is already gifted in. they weren’t undermining her hard work.
@@lailiecarrillo wait why are you so sure that it is natural talent and not hard-work ?
@@Verowinday777 pre debut videos. also why are you acting like calling someone talented is a bad thing. it’s a good thing to be talented. i never said that talented people don’t work hard, but it’s something that they’re naturally good at. some more than others because they continue to work on their craft.
I love Ningning and her voice so much 🖤
Love Ningning, I hope SM will give her more opportunities to show her skills
Instead favoritism and forced Winter's
@@PP-js1qxfr sm pushing Winter so hard
Winter has the worst vocal tone in SM. Just way too nasal. Twice Nayeon level of nasal, which is unacceptable for a vocal focused company like SM.
@@lllaaee1 I know
！winter sounds irritated to my ear a lots of her high pitch note
@@PP-js1qxI can’t force myself to listen to Winter’s voice anymore. My ears can’t handle it🤚
I know Lily is the 1# place, but my fav voice is Haewon. cuz she always fits every song she sings, and she really knows how to play with her voice. I'm always surprised because her voice is actually deep, but when she sings, her voice keeps changing😂. Sometimes her voice can be sweet, powerful, deep, and her dance is even more surprising😂 because we are only shown Haewon singing without knowing that her dance is very good, powerful, and also fluid but sharp too.
Lily is so good too, but haewon caught my attention so much. I love them❤
Agree. Nmixx is amazing, they have two so talented and so different vocalists (and other girls really good too, not only Sollyun)
Agree~ Lily is the best vocalist and Haewon is the second. But in the game of singing, Haewon tops my chart with Sullyoon right behind. And here I am eagerly waiting for Jiwoo and Bae's solo jams while replaying Kyujin and Jiwoo's dance performances over and over. Ha!
haewon fits kpop more~~~
The way nmixx's 3 vocalistz occupied top 2 and 4's position😊 They are really talented.
I think Kyujin better vocalist than Lia and Yeji. But 4 position is too much 😂
@@k_pop_entertainment actually, even Bae (weakest vocalist in Nmixx) is a better vocalist than Lia and Yeji, I'm just baffled by how JYPE managed to form a strong vocal group but not do the same for Itzy
So we can safely say that vocal wise the strongest kpop groups are:
NMIXX: Half of their members made it here.
Aespa: 3/4 of their members made it on the list.
No surprise.
Agree. If NMIXX hadn’t debuted, my TH-cam profile pic would’ve been NingNing or Winter's photo, no doubt.
I have been anticipating this for the longest time
NingNing's lower range is scary and her ease is enviable not her company adding winter as a main vocalist to justify her having more lines like bffr
Lily and Haewon be leading 4th gen in vocals especially as the gen tends to disregard vocals and focus more on visuals and flashy performances
Well winter has a more brave approach in her higher belts so it’s not surprising to me that they also made her a main vocal and I’m not really against it but it’s also questionable since ning is seen as a weak main vocal for sm female standarts even tho she’s one of the strongest in 4th gen, she was the weakest sm female main vocal and now with winter being also a main vocal she’s currently the weakest sm female main vocal. Again I’m not totally against her having that title since she does take on the main vocal responsibilities quite a lotta times but it lowers the sm standards even further. It’s kinda clear that they didn’t really care about that and just wanted to give her and karina higher vocal positions to justify their bias.
@@mimi_imfatNCT 127 have 3 to 4 main vocals that doesn’t mean Taeil is a week main vocal. We all know his power, he is the best among all of them. Also, I think with Aespa people often forgets that there are only four members. So, of course every single member have to full fill more positions than average Kpop idol. However, I do agree about the Bias, which I believe is because NingNing is a foreigner. Winter is an amazing vocalist but they shouldn’t make her overshadow NingNing.
Winter wasn't added as a main vocalist
People really underestimated Ningning's lower register, kid used to sing Whitney Houston and Beyonce on her early years, too bad SM obviously decided change her vocal approach.
@@mimi_imfatto be honest even they just added Winter as main vocal along side Ningning they both still the weakest main vocalist of SM for me.
Ningning is my favourite. I just love her vocal tone. It’s so good to the ears.
I just love how easy it is to listen to Liz's tone even when belting out, Ningning's tone is sweet and Lily's is a powerful one. Their vocals are beautiful ❤
not hating at ALL,but hybe is known for also editing the idols voices during the videos that show the recording sessions,sometimes im scared to even trust their “live” performances
I mean you can literally hear some form of vocal processing in the Hanni recording clips. I also don’t trust HYBE ‘live’ stages, it’s very odd how they sound better while doing full choreos than when doing encores or random singing moments at concerts...
They do have some nice vocalists with great potential like Hanni tho.
True. Shady af.
Even then, it still won't change the fact they don't have much good Vocalists in their company besides Lee Hyun (and Yuju but her group disbanded thanks to their company so yk)
Lily is undeniably a great singer. If she's included in the previous ranking, she wouldve been ranked 2nd or 3rd. Her, Solar, Wheein, and Wendy are the legit strongest kpop group vocalists
Have you ever heard Taeyeon or Hyolyn sing
@@_nenie Ive heard of them. However his previous vocal ranking only features 3rd and 4th gen vocalists. So never really mentioned them. They're undeniably great singers though😊
thanks for the list! i tend to see some people underestimate liz' vocal prowess a lot but she is actually one of the few who can showcase a perfect mix of technical and stylistic approach in her singing. apart from that, her tone is godsent... one of the rarest in k-pop for sure, and i hope she follows the footsteps of her starship seniors since girly has really huge potential
Liz's tone is too pretty to be real I agree
Liz stole the show in Nobody for me
Aespa is such a strong group, but I was surprised not to see Giselle on the list
maybe because she doesn't have many singing lines and even less live, if he judges vocals based on live performances he can't count giselles amazing backing vocals and such
she isn't there yet
She doesn't have a line 😭
Because its SM who wouldn't give her the luxury to sing compared to her other members who's been given too many opportunity compared to her. Look at their last comeback.
They stopped giving her proper rap lines too, She only sing generic vocal parts
I wish Ningning would tap into that inner powerhouse we all know she has. She's got a phenomenal technique for belting, see savage for an ex, but never uses it anymore. I think SM has shifted to Winter as a second Main Vocalist either because of Ningnings airy mix for belting, or because they don't want to cause regression in their original Main Vocalist. If SM were to pass on the technique singers like Luna ahs to Winter and Ningning, they'd be unstoppable duo, they kinda already are.
So true
Ning has been extra careful ever since debut I think. Almost all her live belts have a noticeably lighter mix, and it definitely loses impact. Probably why they keep using Winter for the "big" belts.
or...ya know...typical sm xenophobia
@@kidapexa Winter being the main vocalist is xenophobia?
@@yeonliim751sm ( kpop companies in general are) is known to have a thing against their Chinese idols, their Japanese one as well, and it’s nothing new. Even the idols themselves know it. Why do you think every EXO Chinese member left 2 years into their career? The amount of time that both ningning and Giselle had issues with their mics being unnecessarily low despite pointing it out every single time is ridiculous. Outfits as well. Look at their promotions, Giselle is often forgotten and it’s not like they are a 9 member gg. Line distribution as well you tell me the main rapper barely gets rap parts and the one with the best technique is pushed aside for no reason?
Knetz as well. Giselle is half Japanese and the Korean public despite Japanese ppl. So many ppl there hates Chinese and eats up the propaganda from the west. Xenophobia at its finest.
So far i love Ningning and Lily.
Nmixx stans must be proud after this.
Their skills are kind of unmatched.
Fair ranking. Ningning's flow is attractive and soothing. I've watched a lot of videos of Lily singing live and it's very impressive. Tho sometimes she comes out as loud (reminds me of Brandon Urie) I agree she's currently the best.
That's probably because Lily is often given belts as her voice shines in higher belts
Well Lily is a high soprano that can go quite high in a pretty healthy way so she gets a lot of Eb5/E5s which would obviously cause her to adopt a “shouty” approach
We need a part two with Yunjin, Chaewon, Miyeon, Yuqi, Minnie, Kyujin, Sieun, Yoon, Dannielle, Haerin, Giselle, Chaehyun
and chuu!
YES!
Kyujin, Haerin, Giselle, and maybe Yuqi aren’t main vocalists in their group though, the ones in here are main and lead vocals
@@hyungwonsunusedmicrophone6490 karina isn't either and NMIXX and New jeans don't have positions
@@hyungwonsunusedmicrophone6490 yuqi not being on the vocal line in (G) I-DLE is a joke tho she's easily the second best vocalist after Miyeon
My girl Ningning has improved so much. I think I must be a sucker for lower registers because that is def what stood out to me when first listening to her. She’s my fave vocalist on that list and her recent progress with vocal runs has me so excited for her future. My next faves would be Liz, Sullyoon and then Lily.
The fact that both Aespa and NMIXX have 3 members in this list says about the truth that these two groups are the BEST among 4th gen when it comes to talent
Exactly!
JYP having the TOP 2 best vocalist in girl groups competition… OMG and Sullyoon being in the Top 4 gurll They take all the complaints about vocalists really serious NMIXX is the best performers, best vocalists of their generation while looking like Winx club I love them so much
JYP really improved in vocals after Twice. Itzy and Nmixx both have good singers and dancers.
@@vixxexo6855after TWICE? ☠️☠️☠️ ITZY is far weaker than TWICE vocally
@@vixxexo6855 itzy has good singers?? Who?
@@averyatwell95 Lia and Yeji
@@vixxexo6855 they're like the rock bottom of girlgroup vocal lines. Don't make me laugh. Twice vocal line is far better than itzy. And ofcourse nmixx is a big improvement for JYP from their previous 4 girlgroups.
No surprise! Lily is always on the top when it comes to vocal ranking 😅 Haewon and Sullyoon are also great 👍🏻 NMIXX SUPREMACY
Nmixx are so talented it's insane
Nmixx is such a monster 4th gen group. Can't believe they are this much underappreciated.
It’s cuz JYP sabatoged them with their discography and concept. Should have followed the red velvet blueprint (new concept every era, with consistent, vocal-centered music) THEN they would have been the top gen 4 group no doubt
They are appreciated for their vocals though and I think thats better
@@Yeri-strawberry Its like JYP only gives Twice the good songs. Well theyre their cashgrabbers so its understandable I guess
@@Yeri-strawberryIt’s mind-boggling how much of time in their songs was wasted on rapping and chanting when they have vocalists like THIS.
They are but not as much as they should be@@denizyazgan5127
I don't think anyone was surprised that Ningning and Lily ranked so high. Nmixx and Aespa are way too talented!
When it comes to aespa I see a lot of talk about Winters voice online, and don’t get me wrong I love winters voice but I just love seeing people talk about Ningning’s voice. She’s the main vocalist for a reason after all. I think a lot of people online think a large range equals being a better vocalist but there’s so much more to singing than hitting high notes. It’s one thing if you can hit but how your singing is more important cause you don’t wanna strain your voice. Ningning has such a pretty voice she’s one of my all time favourite vocalists in K-pop lol.
Ningning has a larger range though. Both in the lower and the upper registers, including whistle notes
@@Robalexe yeah that is true no one actually knows that though cause they never actually give ningning the high notes tho 💀
@@PinkySoda They do give her high notes, not as many as Winter usually, but still. Watch the behind the scenes recordings of their songs, they're great.
Tysm for recognizing purple kissss! Personally, they have a very special place in my heart esp Swan although she may not be the most skilled here in this list as a vocalist she is definitely up there as an artist and a singer. Im hoping to see both Swan and Goeun and even Chaein grow not only as great artists but also as amazing vocalists in the future because they honestly have a lot of potential if they keep improving. 🫶🫶🫶
It still baffles me how Jyp trains so many good vocalists in one group like NMIXX but then completely ignored giving good vocal trainings to Itzy. The fact that Yeji has to sing according to her intuition is absurd. Why can’t just provide better trainings to them like how they trained their dancing??
Jyp has different division and each group is managed completely separately. SQU4D, NMIXX’s division, cares a lot about giving them vocal training but Division 2, Itzy’s, doesn’t organize or prioritize this for Itzy. Its different people making the decisions and therefor doing different things with their groups.
i hope one day that we will get a NingNing/Lily duet
I want more if winter and lily , ningning and haewon as their voices compliment very well
@@itsaviasno, gosh. Very hight voices without lower it's just painful sound
@@itsavias Winter and Lily together is a mess. That's why Haewon is a great pair with Lily because there's a balance, same with Ningning and Winter. If you put two high pitched voices together, that's a disaster, unless one takes more on the lower register.
To be honest i like few of this generation, but Hanni and Ning Ning would be my favorites without a doubt. Hanni has a soft voice that is super pleasant to my ear (I would say that most New Jeans have voices like that, maybe that's why I like them so much). For me she is like the saying "less is more".
Ning Ning on the other hand has a higher range and a more powerful voice but still maintains a certain softness and a certain surroundness. In a group where their style is very heavy (not to my liking) sometimes it is as if her voice was made of silk and it makes all the difference. In this comeback I REALLY liked how her voice sounded. I would love to hear covers of her. (I also give credit to Karina and Liz, although Karina has many rap parts, I am not unaware that she also has a very good voice)
i like ur picks, id say the same
Agree, some vocals really makes my ear ring and sometimes if it doesn't it feels too loud(?) Even though it isn't really
haha i remember when the first nmixx cover videos came out a lot of us were shocked. we were like jyp group with technical vocalists?! it’s so nice to see.
Lily and Haewon's Survivor cover is still godly
Lily and Haewon is perfect ultimate duo. When they sing together it's... WOW.
I agree, I think we still don’t know all of what Liz can do at the stage she is at right now. I’m still curious to hear more of her head voice and also lower register, she had a nice moment in Nobody. I think she’s a very promising vocalist and while vocal tone is down to preference, I think Liz and NingNing have the most beautiful ones this gen.
I don't think we'll see someone better than Lily in the next 10 years, at least. And the fact that she's constantly improving means she's definitely going to be a top vocalist in K-pop, not only in the 4th generation.
She already is! Ppl have to Stop being biased towards other generations
I don't think we have seen someone better than Lily if you consider the previous generations
"10 years at least" 😭🤌
No theres better vocalists from previous gens so lets not discredit previous queens!
Shes just the top in 4th gen sorry hunny
you spilled. liz being top 5 vocalists in 4th gen is FACTS. those kpop stans don’t know anything
im so proud of liz 🥲 even though im yujin biased I hope liz will get more killer part in their songs 🤎 and i hope starship will train her vocal and other members too
About the yeji part, i think jyp’s criticism of her vocals is true however it’s very ironic that he’s giving the criticism since he’s technically worse than her. He’s pointing out her vocal problems rightfully so, but isn’t actually showing her HOW to sing it better. So I understand the fan’s frustration even tho he isn’t wrong.
the fact that places 4 2 and 1 are all in the same group is crazy 😭😭😭 never forgiving jype for the songs that they gave nmixx
happy for liz...she's the youngest here and in top5 💕 her voice sounds so healthy
Im happy for Liz...she is such a good vocalist tho!! 💕 Love ur channel....and Lily yes 4th gen main vocalist...
Finally someone recognizes Liz, she just has such an easy-to-hear voice color that just melts wo the ear.
No argument from me, Lily is a superstar vocalist, not just technically but also she sings with emotional connection which makes her super special.
love the appreciation for ningning's lower register, truly the best! can't wait to see how she develops in the future 🫶
Truly the best lower register of 4th gen has Monday from Weekly
Ningning has a beautiful voice and is very smooth toned in a lot of ranges, but I think her shaky pitch issues would keep her from being better than other vocalists around where she’s placed
True
i love love love haewons voice. she already became one of my favorite vocalists In kpop
and the way nmixx's rapper can still outsing main vocalists like wow CRAZY
Lily's head voice is pretty. Really liked her Psycho cover.
Do you consider making a 2nd gen version? Skilled vocalists that can be featured are Luna, Taeyeon, Lee Haeri, Kim Yeonji, Lina, Hyorin ect
my bias in this list are haewon and liz, and im shocked to see Liz being talked about like that.
LIZ on rank #5 AMAZED ME! She's the newly born Starship's one of the Best Vocalist!
Actually she is not better than winter but she is cool
@@ilyasblm9776Well he clearly said she is better
@@itsavias that doesn't mean it's a fact lol Winter is better
@@jenniekimstolemymoney4208 just too biased to see the reality but yeah gap Isnt that much but still Liz is bit better
@@jenniekimstolemymoney4208 Liz is a better technical singer, however that doesn't mean that you can't like winter's voice more, I do.
Liz has my favorite tone of this list, and lilly is my favorite vocalist of this generation
Love to see Liz so high on the list
Based on quality of support (Not biased but following a KVA System as standard vocal)
1. Lily (A3 ~ D5/Eb5 ~ G5)
2. Haewon (G#3 ~ C#5 ~ E5)
3. Ningning (F#3/G3 ~ C5/C#5 ~ Eb5)
4. Goeun (G3/G#3 ~ Bb4/B4)
5. Winter (A3/Bb3 ~ Bb4/B4)
Then we have a shallow support from vocalist bcuz not seattle approach
6. Swan (A3 ~ Bb4) she quite stylist so she doesn't singing in a true support but she less shallow compared to others.
7. Sullyoon (A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4) she can perform bolder chest mix/belt but sometimes can be soft and floppy, stuck.
8.Karina (G#3/A4 ~ A4/Bb4) same like sullly she can sounds bolder cus choose a chest belts but she can stuck in nose and sometimes she throat and pushing more than a true developed.
9. Liz (A3 ~ A4/Bb4) she quite stuck in mix register and tendency so light and weak.
This is accurate ranking tbh
Ningning doesn't have F#3 💀 she's not even consistent
Yunjin is like on bar with Goeun and Winter, she’s like 6th or 5th.
for me my favorite voice here is lily, haewon, ningning, liz and hanni
The fact Nmixx are almost all top 3 is insane. Its why I stan them
Same they are super talented❤
Idk if she’s technically 5th gen but belle from Kiss of life is really impressive so far. I believe she used to be an sm trainee and songwriter
Fr she is amazing
Yes, she's 5th gen
she was not a SM trainee
i was lowkey surprised to see liz and sullyoon above winter but i love them because they’re my favs ❤️❤️
Ningning lower register is seriously really sooo good and satisfying TT
Ningning has my fav voice on the list. I freaking love her voice it's so pleasing to the ears
Would you ever consider doing vocal tips, or advice video, I've been watching your videos and explain vocal technique and musicality so well so i'd love to see you do a segment helping inspiring vocalist get better. Maybe even use some vocalist you usually mention as examples of what someone should do
And make a video about harmonization for 4th gen girl groups please! I really love your little mix videos like all of them especially the harmonization thing
Of the tens of vocal ranking videos I have seen, this is by far the list that I agree with the most
Imo I feel like Swan is one of the best stylistic vocalists in music as a whole.
I love her voice because she sings stylistically but has actual technique to fall back on! You can tell that she sings that way because she LIKES it, not because it's a coverup for an otherwise weak voice, yk?
Swan + Siyeon ❤
Loved the video!!
Would also love to see a part 2! Since there are many more vocalists out there!
Personally id love to hear your view on Songsun from Tri.be, Ik her group isn’t as popular and talked about but I feel she’s honestly one of the best once out there, not to mention she trained for 9 years before debut!
Listening to Tri.be’s music I always wait for her parts because it’s so elevating just, I definitely recommend just hearing her in their song “Would you run (original version)” always gives be goosebumps the bridge. Also other great vocal performance from her in live performances of “witch”, “stay together”, “Kiss”, or just their songs generally. I absolutely love her vocals on every song.
Others that would maybe also be fun if a part 2!: Hwiseo (H1-key) also a great vocalist not talked enough about, Nana/Wooyeon/Minseo (Woo!ah!), Yuri (Izone), Chaehyun (Kep1er), Haseul/Chuu/Heejin/KimLip/Jinsoul/Choerry (Loona) yes that many of them could deserve to be on😅, Miyeon/Minnie (Gidle), Yunjin (Lesserafim), Belle (Kiss of life) idk if people say 5th Gen is now but my god, if you have not checked Belle out ur missing out!! She’s so so good!!, Bora/Haeyoon (Cherry bullet) once again if you have not heard bora… my god ur missing out! She’s amazing it’s crazy, Suyun (Rocket punch), Haram (Billlie).
But that’s just a few suggestions on the top of my heard! Ofc it’s just an idea I understand how much would go into a video like this but just if a part 2 happened I’d love to see any of them on there! Especially Songsun, Hwiseo, Belle, Bora & Suyun!
Anyways again! Love the vid and the channel! Keep it up :)
this reminds me of when lily got discovered on kpop star a decade ago, and the judges said that she will be one of the best in her generation. Well, they got it right!
STARSHIP LISTEN TO THIS MAN!! WE NEED MORE OF LIZ VOCALS 👏🏻
the fact that the highest and the lowest ranking idols are both from jyp is crazy.. really shows the inconsistency in how they train idols cuz damn 😭
Maybe its about idols fault not companys lol
Jyp poaching vocalists now 🤣💀
JYP shouldn’t get any credit for Lily’s skills as she was already a proficient singer when she joined the company
It’s probably cause Jyp has different division and each group is managed completely separately. SQU4D, NMIXX’s division, cares a lot about giving them vocal training but Division 2, Itzy’s, doesn’t organize or prioritize this for Itzy. Its different people making the decisions and therefor doing different things with their groups.
Yay! Love this type of content, for sure worth the wait!!
I know lily had to be first! Her skills are impressive through and through. Honestly NMIXX’s vocals are just impressive in general. JYP needs to give them better songs asap.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO for THE LONGEST TIMEEE 😭 FINALLY!
NMIXX genuinely has really good and interesting vocalists. I just wish JYP would give them better music, so far I much prefer their covers over most of their own songs…
I hope JYP won't destroy Lily's voice. I'm more of an aespa and itzy fan, but I agree that the vocal top spot really belongs to Lily, no questions asked.
No one surprised with top three
I think it’s kinda weird that NMIXX and ITZY are both from the same agency and generation, but one group got 3 incredibly strong vocalists, and another one got none (Lia is a good vocalist, but not an outstanding one, so she gets so much hate). It just looks like such a strange decision from group building perspective! As the result, NMIXX vocalists other than Lily don’t get as much attention as they deserve because of being in the same group with her, and ITZY is limited in their range because they lack an really strong vocalist. Lose lose situation. (And I say this as someone who likes both groups).
I think they realized 4th gen was weak at singing and decided to play it safe with their next group, makes sense if you notice that itzy are one of the first 4th gen ggps and at least they're actually stable, it mainly went downhill from there
I think itzy was created with performance and dancing skills being the main focus in mind so they picked trainees that fit that the most. And they had a different idea in mind when picking nmixx. For example i think Lily would’ve never been picked in most 3rd gen kpop groups even tho she’s very talented vocally cause she doesn’t really fit kbs. Like that one girl in twice’s reality show that was the best singer of the whole cast but was eliminated even tho tzuyu or dahyun who didn’t show any extraordinary skill in anything at the time still made it in twice. Nmixx was picked with talent being the no.1 focus and that explains why so different groups can come out of the same agency. The image they want with the group changes everything.
@@mimi_imfat It was Jiwoon she is Fromis_9 now. I showed one of the sixteen’s battle to my sister and she was surprised that they eliminated the only one who can sing. I believe they sang Ariana’s “one less problem”. Also JYP said Jiwoon was not confident and she lacks facial expressions.
@@maheephoenix4398 yeah i forgot her name I’m glad she at least debuted in a group. Tbh this whole “lacking confidence” thing is a bit biased cause tzuyu never seemed confident in anything either. Dahyun was charismatic so I understand her being chosed a bit more. But tzuyu also lacked facials and never seemed confident when singing but the difference is she had a pretty face and a skinnier body so she still made it in the end.
@@mimi_imfat well Tzuyu was not initially included in TWICE's debut line, but she got a lot of votes from fans who wanted her to debut
Thanks for the list! Very informative and educational. Shows a professional way to analyze and appreciate not only those already are my bias, also those performers I barely know about. Great to have your video in recommendation List!
Sullyoon has my favorite tone! I could listen to her husky tone for hours and hours
nobody is talking about lily’s tone, her tone and notes are so impressive. she definitely deserves to be in #1
I love Karina's vocal cries and vocal fries
I love Karina's, NingNing's, and Haewon's voices
i still cant believe that nmixx, in like 2 years in activity, manages to have better vocals than their senior ggs twice and itzy. the better vocalist of these two is jihyo who trained for 9 freaking years before debuting and i still feel like the 3 vocalists of nmixx featured in this list are way more skilled than her (although i love jihyo)
Sullyoon isn't better than Jihyo, let's not lie.
Also Jihyo trained to be an actress, then a dancer and than a vocalist all together.
@@AB-yk2pq jihyo trained 10 years to be an idol let’s not lie now
@@straawberryyNo, she didn't. Do some research. She was casted as child actor and after few years of training as one, JYP told her to train for an idol. (Literally confirmed by her own mother).
In 6MIX (group that was supposed to debut before Sixteen happened) Jihyo was supposed to be a dancer, as idols like Momo weren't in line up. And in fact, she's at least second dancer of Twice for years now.
@@AB-yk2pq then jypd fucked jihyo up so bad by choosing her as THE MAIN Vocalist, I meann she is clearly the one who carry the teams vocal.
She is really good and grounded in her lower range, but they kept giving her strained highnote.
@@uc6758Jeongyeon and Nayeon can sing decently, the problem is the rest of the group who honestly often falls into category of some of the weakest sub vocalists like Momo or singers with potential that don't seem to try enough like Mina.
If other 2 girls or at least 1 of them from Sixteen debuted, the group would be far more balanced as they are a bit better than Jihyo.
glad to see my girl liz on the top 5 of this generation, cause she's improving immensely nowadays.
I agree her mixed is her strength, making her voice sounds so easy on the ear.
hoping she explore more to her lower register, cause it sounds so beautiful in 'Nobody'
and also her falsetto/head voice, like the glimpse of those clips sound heavenly
I would love to hear her showing riff and runs more though, her honey voice would sound crazy good on rnb track.
Holy shit I have seriously underestimated Liz
Like wow sing girl
as a midzy the most frustrating thing is seeing our girls not receive the training they deserve. clearly jype has the capability to train vocalists (see: nmixx) but just doesn't do that for itzy... (honestly i blame div2 because they suck balls.)
like, imo, all five members are solid vocalists. i'm not saying they have great technique or an increibly range... but all five are solid. they are very capable of singing live and sounding decent/good while performing!! now just imagine if they were able to put in a lot of time to proper vocal training.
this is a hill i will die on tbh because itzy deserves to be the best that they can be and it's hard to be their best when they don't get proper training.
I really look forward to Hanni's development as she gets more opportunities to show off her voice and her skill, her voice is probably one of my favourite in kpop!
Same😭✨
I’ve been waiting for this video since you announced it weeks ago!