I think ahyeons biggest weakness is control, not just in her vocals but also in her rap and dance, she’s one of those people that’s very naturally talented but struggles to find the right balance. I think she has a very pretty vocal tone and could easily be a fantastic vocalist but she just needs to learn how to not overdo it, same with her dance, the natural talent is there but the attention to detail isn’t, it’s a good weakness to have because she’s putting 110% power into every she does, so reeling that power back is much easier than adding to it. The only thing I’m concerned about is if she doesn’t learn how to control her power it will damage her vocal cords fairly quickly, so I just hope someone at yg is keeping an eye on it and helping her learn better techniques to keep her voice healthy
You right i just saw something ahyeon when she was nervous her dance was not balanced was not good but when she having fun stage was quite good and i hope she learned how to control vocal or dance she not déverse that much hate
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@yusuffarax9608ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4Saying Ahyeon is better than Rami in singing and even better at rap than Asa or Ruka? Stop joking. Let me explain why you’re totally wrong: 1. Vocal Control: Rami has impressive vocal control, with solid diaphragm support and stable, clear high notes. Ahyeon, on the other hand, loses control on high notes and sounds forced because she hasn’t mastered breath support. 2. Mix Voice Technique: Rami knows how to use mix voice, creating smooth transitions between registers. Ahyeon still doesn’t manage this technique well, so her register changes sound tense and even screechy at times. 3. Tone and Resonance: Rami’s voice is warm and well-projected, while Ahyeon’s is brighter but loses smoothness and quality at high tones. Rami knows how to use resonance in her mask, while Ahyeon just increases volume without technique. 4. Rap: Asa and Ruka are on another level. Asa has flow, control, and phrasing that Ahyeon can’t even come close to. Ruka has the presence and deeper tone that’s perfect for rap, while Ahyeon sounds flat and lacks character in comparison. 5. Dance: Ahyeon is good, but Rami has better precision and body control. Strength isn’t the same as technique, and Rami makes it look easy. In short, Rami has better technique in singing, Asa and Ruka are miles ahead in rap, and Rami is more precise in dance. Ahyeon has potential, but she’s not at the level you’re claiming. Let’s be real.
It really reminds me of American Idol where the audience and judges would lose their MIND over belters, when a lot of the singers didn't have great technique and were close to screaming lol
They have multiple coaches , I remember the members said they have vocal lessons teacher+ had someone just to teach them harmonizing+ someone to teach them how to use hand microphone while dancing without sounding shaky
finally someone with good observation and actually seeing the issue with baemon vocals especially ahyeon her fans are crazy saying she is the best vocalist in 5 th gen is straight up crazy and the overprasing point is so stop on they tend to ignore rora who actually have great vocal technique and foundation just because of some flawed vocals of other members
Ahyeon is screaming those high notes. She has singing talent but YG needs to STOP giving her those notes with her current technique. Give her some more lessons and give her notes within her range. They are setting her up and she doesn’t deserve that
She so much potential I'm afraid she will damge her voice specially there coming World tour, but something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it,
Blaming K-pop companies is not the way to go, I think it should be the singer's (like in any profession) responsibility to worry about being good at their job no? I don't want the company to assign me a shit vocal coach but I may find one of my choosing (or try different coaches' approaches and opinions). It mostly depends on the singer to understand their voice, limits, a vocal coach can't teach you how good singing feels, a weekly 30-minute lesson from a vocal coach is more than enough for the average singer to notice their flaws and work on correcting them.
@@Legacy_2109 oh sh1t now you blame ahyeon? their contracts are exclusive with YG, it's not like they can go with another teacher whenever they want, besides ahyeon's voice has to go through adolescence, since her voice is so strong her tone changes are difficult to control because her voice is incredibly high easily, this depends on the maturity of her voice, but her technique is not incorrect because she manages to sustain her way of singing normally, she just needs to learn to control the intensity of her voice
@@Legacy_2109 often kpop companies have full control over their schedules and kpop idols quite literally never catch a break. when they're promoting, it's 24 hour schedules and when they're not promoting, they're preparing their next comeback since kpop groups nowadays have 2~4 comebacks per year. it's not comparable to a regular old 9-5
i cant bear ahyeon's high notes at all... i dont hate her, it's just her high notes are unpleasant to hear with her tone 😢 YG should stop exploiting her higher register and give her some time for vocal lessons. Rami's high notes always sound very full and warm (idk how to explain this lol) and that's why i prefer Rami
they keep giving us the ahyeon yelling high notes because fans eat it up like crazy. girl is going to end up wrecking her voice at this rate when she clearly has potential
Rami and Rora are better vocalists then Ahyeon. I feel they should treat Ahyeon more like a lead vocalist who has decent lines, but leave the challenging parts to Rora and Rami.
Yeah I'm a fearnot and it's clear that Crazy isn't supposed to be their vocal comeback moment. I feel like it's supposed to be more of their rap oriented album, after the more dance oriented Easy. Hopefully the next one will be more vocally focused, but I'm kinda nervous since even Yunjin struggled at Coachella 😅
Truth is 90% of kpop "live" stages are heavily edited vocals, loud backing track, or lip syncing. You rarely hear actual unedited vocals. Idk why a lot of kpop fans can't distinguish edited and unedited vocals. The heavy editing is so obvious. They keep praising heavily edited vocals of idols who in reality struggles to sing live and using it as ammunition to fan wars comparing it to actual idols who can legit sing. It's so weird. 💀💀😂😂
K-pop fans are uneducated about music in general, plus many are extremely young like BM fans. You'd think NMIXX, Mamamoo or EXO fans are different but they are not. Do you know the amount of people that I saw claiming that Ahyeon did a 3 octave high note in drip? If someone who doesn't sing wants to learn to distinguish autotuned and pitch-corrected vocals they should just go to watch Wings of pegasus videos.
That is why I use only encores now to decide if a group deserves my attention in the vocal department. And people call me hater because I only use them to judge a group vocal capacity.
The only ones that seem to be 100% live now are encores (there are other live audio stages but with a really loud backtrack). Even radio shows have a stupid backtrack now. I'm an InSomnia and it's so stupid, like you did all of this live as rookies but now that you're so much better we can't hear your voices? I don't even know who to blame. The company made a great effort this year to prove that they have top live vocalists but then they can't bring a casual radio show to drop the backtrack? Seeing how their lives wildly vary from Format to Format I'll give them them the benefit of the doubt for now and blame it on the individual production companies...
@@belaytriks can't do much else, and that's not just for new groups. I'm a Dreamcatcher fan and while I know that they've improved vocally, I literally can't tell for some members. For example Gahyun is a strong vocalist - we think - but no one can prove that as her voice is always drowned out by the backtrack. They also don't win music shows and haven't done recording behinds aside from one Japanese promo years ago. They also only seem to follow trends for vocal editing so there hasn't been a proper live clip in years. The Justice live ear was ok I think but I'd have to listen again. I don't want crazy choreo, I just want a full live clip like in the olden days. Don't even get me started on Killing Voice, allegedly they edited the legendary Mamamoo video years after release (not sure about a change but it is definitely edited). Nothing is safe.
it's just sad that YG focuses on showing off ahyeon's wide range repetitively but keeps ignoring Rora's vocal and don't use her in actual title songs. Like i personally feel like Rora voice is sm coded like not nasal and her singing feel like more fuller . it's good to hear her beautiful voice in b sides but sadly ppl only appreciate what in MV.
Yeah rora vocal was soo good but just sometimes rora don’t have confidence 2nel concept when they sing you hear rora almost stop rami ahyeon singing with her sheesh firt part i hope she got confidence
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
Rora is very good technically singer if... she is in relaxing environment without dancing. She has weaker stamina and her voice naturally has worse projection than Ahyeon, Chiquita or Pharita (despite being technically better than all of them). She is my bias so I know very well that she rarely goes over backtrack. And obviously girl is 16 and she still adapt to being on the stage with huge audience. I'm actually happy that YG gives her time and actually show how important she is from future perspective. Idols are people and like all people they are not the same. Girls are in similar age but have different level of confidence. Rora is more confident than Ahyeon while speaking to media but she is less confident than her goes over backtrack.
I thought Nmixx's tiny desk performance would go VIRAL considering almost no other K-pop group has done what they have done. Guess I was wrong. People still label Nmixx's music as "bad" in general like it's not even the opinion of people other than Nswer anymore. They straight up say "Yes, Nmixx is so talented. Only if the group didn't have trash songs...." They only listened to O.O. and DIce and never moved on from there. Why can't Nmixx get a chance at redemption? Still happy that dash and see that? Comebacks boosted their popularity a bit.
If other Popular group did what NMIXX did in Tiny desk Korea their fans would have blowed the internet 😂 NMIXX have quality fans not quantity I think after NMIXX there is only one group which is doing absolutely great (XG)
@jangthapa5482 Tbf there are other groups who can absolutely sing live and acapella such as BTOB or EXO, as well as the vocal line of NCT and Seventeen.
@@Kalakeiko hold your horses....... is there any Girl group in 4th gen who is more stable than NMIXX Except AESPA ? I was talking about 4th gen girl groups I didn't know NCT and BTOB, EXO and Seventeen are in same category
@jangthapa5482 I was talking about Kpop groups in general, not girl groups or even just 4th gen. You never said you were only talking about 4th gen girl groups.
Hey man, honestly don’t you think it’s weird that some “vocal coaches” rate the idols vocal prowess based on their music videos. I can never take their opinions seriously. Such a breath of fresh air when I first saw your videos.
Vocal coaches are just people who live from teaching how to sing, in kpop they never actually go in-depth and are afraid to voice their opinions if they even have one. They probably use pitch correction too so they won't bother calling out fake "live" shows like The First Take, It´slive, Dingo killing voice, etc. if the idols can't sing they will say " I like their tone" or comment on how beautiful they are instead. Most of them just react to K-pop for views.
Thank you for saying how ppl kept overhyping Ahyeon. I really don’t find her high notes pleasing at all. While Rora doesn’t hit high notes but her singing is so much better. And Ahyeon fans kept saying Rora is overrated
Lmao the amount of hate i got when i said yg should chill out with giving ahyeon high notes because it sometimes sounds grating to the ears. High notes would always sound good if done properly. Her fans would always flip out if you point that out. They act like having a flaw is crime.
@@Catnip3207 yeah I wish YG gave Rami or Rora the high notes instead. They are capable of doing them and they sound so much less strain. But I kept getting hate for saying that.
I literally just saw a post on Instagram about that hight note of Aehyong (the registration in the studio). I see YG is progecting all the attentions on her even if Rami's voice is more suited for those hight notes, but the fans can't accept criticism, you can't even say something like that because they take that as "Oh so you think she is bad and untalented?!" And start being rude...
None of them can hit a belted and supported G5 with the required technique, that is Sohyang level of belting. The only Kpop idol that can maybe hit that would be Lee Young Hyun from Big Mama.
But sohyang resonants/supports g5 like notes in balanced mix but it's way difficult in heady mix only some legendary singers like dimash etc lara resonants upto g5 so yeah @@Legacy_2109
the thing about Nmixx, is unlike other JYP groups, their division outsource their Vocal Coach, their vocal coach is Haewon's sister who specialized in Classical singing, this is also why their singing style is different compared to other JYP acts who got that half air half sound technique (got this info from a korean forum)
I think GOT7 talked about JYP trying to make the sing in the half air way, but Youngjae I think rejected that technique and used another vocal trainer.
Ahyeon reminds me of this contestant named Ruth from season one of The Voice UK. She had this massive voice that could handle belting all day long. But the judges were constantly critiquing her inability to control all the power that comes with a voice like that. She still was successful on the show and made it into the top 8. But audiences started voting for Leanne (the eventual winner) more than Ruth when she covered “Run To You” by Whitney Houston. Leanne demonstrated what great vocal control looks like. Another contestant that did this in a future season was Christina Marie covering “Fix You” by Coldplay. Let me get back on topic. Ahyeon has a world of potential. But I think she needs to take it back to the basics, practice her scales, learn how to control her projection, and understand that performing is a balancing act. Even idols criticized for over performing (like Wendy) have developed their abilities to be more polished and palatable. Baby Monster are still rookies though and they have time to develop these skills. They’re obviously not in any dire circumstances. They have the flexibility to smooth out the rough edges.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4Did I mention Rami? Or any of the other BM members for that matter? It doesn’t matter how strong or weak they are in areas of performance in relation to Ahyeon. The only thing that matters is that Ahyeon over performs, over projects, and just overall needs to learn to balance how much she outputs.
i’m so glad you brought up twice’s vocal regression over the years, i totally agree, and i wanted to add onto that. i think itzy is facing the same problem, they used to sound decent or even good in their songs, but the intro part in their recent comeback “gold” sounds like they’re struggling to sing, even in the studio version… i just feel bad for them… :(
I appreciate tiny desk! It feels a bit like K-pop’s answer to the BBC radio 1 live lounge. The fact that unedited live vocals are so exceptionally rare in Kpop content is quite sad - especially for groups/idols who don’t need the editing. It sucks to hear so much character flattened out of a great singer’s voice to make it “perfect.” Edit: I literally just realized that Tiny Desk Korea is an extension of NPR’s Tiny Desk performance series 🤦♀️ But to be fair, the BBC live lounge predated that as well 😅
I had no idea it existed until this video. I hope it doesn't lose its genuine flair and sell out. Listening to those fake "its live" videos is driving me crazy. I'll just pass away if kpop becomes a fully autotuned mess
To Tzuyu’s credit, her live at the radio station was one of the realest lives. Since you talked about filtered and heavily processed lives, I thought you would mention it. Of course she goes off pitch several times and her facial expression shows how intense of an effort it is for her but for someone who follows Twice since the beginning and who can make a difference between actually singing and relying on a backtrack, Tzuyu actually impressed me positively. She has always been in good and confident at encore stages (like actually singing her part) but she was not the most obvious member for a solo debut after Nayeon and Jihyo. So that was a good surprise.
It's real singing and I am a once and love Tzuyu, but that recording is a bit painful to listen to because of how weak a singer she is. I think her singing only a few lines per track in Twice hides it better. I hope the Twice girls take vocal lessons more seriously because I miss when they were more confident and had more impressive vocals.
Live singing in that radio was docent but its disappointing that she didnt sing once duting music shows performances. You can hear the same backtrack all the time
@@sophiem8321 i dont think it was that weak and painful. The song is quite difficult to sing in my opinion (high pitch and fast paced) and it was her first time singing live an entire song by herself. Also she knows the haters were waiting for her to fail, so the nerves must have been to the max. But I agree that she’s not really solo material. It would have been better if she debuted in a sub-unit.
@@annanowak9620 agree and she kept missing the first beat. So it made it obvious that it was playback or with heavy backtrack. But overall I prefer artists to rely on the backtrack and give a pleasant show overall than something where singing is shaky because of the dance and dance is half-assed because of the singing.
I was an Ahyeon biased fan of Baemon ever since pre debut. Her voice stood out to me and she sounded good on so many song covers like Gone, Don’t know what to do and Dangerously. However, debuted Ahyeon seems too much to me. She throws the group dynamics off with her dancing and the vocals are irritating. Her normal notes sounds like yelling and the high notes seems like they’re forced for attention and not for musicality. Idk, I feel let down. Honestly, the “weaker” vocalists of Baemon are much more appealing than the “once in a generation, best of 5th gen” Ahyeon. The Lsrfm “vocal improvement” was laughable. I love how he demonstrated how easy it is for anyone to sing the “da da duh da” bit. It is barely vocally demanding.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 bruh what ?! 😭 Asa is best rapper of the group , asa is legit lowT2 , wheras ahyeon is midT6 , for ahyeon to reach Asa's level in rap , she needs atleast 5-7 yrs ..acc to skillset, technique, Asa is better..
Omg im so happy u called out some of the vocal coaches for over praising. A while ago i commented on ahyeons belt on the kstarnextdoor video and how it was just not healthy and how it over powered rora who was meant to be the lead vocal in that part. They brushed it off as harmonising, 💀 that i know nothing and then they bring up vocal coaches reaction... As a singer to be lectured by kids on how to sing is genuinely the most insulting thing ever.
it was an unrehearsed video so the harmonisation was not perfect which is I think what you call overpowering but if u listen to many kpop songs, the high notes always overpower the final chorus. Even in studio versions and more so in live concert stages, so Ahyeon being focused for that was only right since Rora’s part was already focused on alone the previous times coz it provides more variety to the song. it’s very commonly used structure. But since it was unrehearsed, they could not properly harmonise
@@rose.tte_c first off all while I cant be 100% certain I am mostly positive that the part is actually rehearsed. It is very difficult to go up a key like this with the progression of the song without hearing/doing it before hand. Second that wasn't a harmony... the mention of harmony was a way of me mocking the people who thought it was. A harmony is meant to blend under the main vocal, what ahyeon did was a bad ad lib, and when I say bad, I mean bad... She is a very promising vocalist with alot of potential however if she keeps using her voice like that she will permanently damage it, and I know as a singer there is nothing worse then losing your instrument. Finally roras part wasn't focused on before becouse her last part was a beautifully supported belt with lovely vibrato (a key higher then the previous) that i would have liked to hear without the overpowering strained pitchy high belt from ahyeon. Honestly a mistake is a mistake, what concerns me more is that ahyeon dosent know when to hold back. Whether it's her part or someone else's, she always does some very heigh unhealthy party trick note that fans always die over even though it's killing her voice and her progression as a singer. I'm not saying she shouldn't be extra becouse i love me a singer who's extra and loves what they do, however this isn't the way to do it.
Yep you are completely right. But in this fandom if you say anything about ahyeon they claim you as a hater . Fans think that high notes mean best vocalist which is totally wrong though rora is not my bias but rora is definitely technically second best vocalist of group with best technique after rami. Belting is not unhealthy if you have good technique and so far only rami in the group has healthy technique for belting. Listened to love in my heart her belting was so natural probably one of the most healthy technique . I've seen ahyeon stans saying that she is main vocalist of group cuz she hits high notes and uderrmining rami and rora. Rami can belt but I've seen she picks and choose very carefully she knows what's good for longer run in her career. and people think that she can't. But some people are blinded by hype of high notes.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 tell me one thing r u rami hater or toxic ahyeon solo stan ? Cuz you've spammed this same comment many times . And no ahyeon is not better than rami in vocals dance. Only thing is rap and what did you say ahyeon rap is much clear and fast than asa ruka!? Because of stans like you ahyeon gets hate. Shame on you.
I really like how Ain't No Other fan isn't scared to voice his educated opinions, unlike Katrinka and Waleska Herrera who don't dare criticise any group, even more so Babymonster, Twice, Red velvet or Blackpink. K-pop fans that care about actual facts should be glad your channel exists, even if I sometimes don't agree with you in some of the analyses or definitions you've made in the past.
He can give his critical opinion, but to call out fandoms just shows his bias... because then we need to ask if his really being fair in his judgement or just an anti.
@@nnnn-sc2im he should've said,,, LSF did not improve that much and explain why he's say that... instead fearnots this or that... because then he needs to open up all his points with 'fanfom name and his opinion ' why did he only fo it with LSF.
I don't watch the sugary musical reactions of American bloggers, of which 99 percent consists of such content, but I respect your channel very much for its constructiveness and honesty. I wish there were more of them.
11:25 I was wondering why you were one of the rare English Chanels I can understand without subtitle (I'm a non-native English speaker) and it makes sens now 😂 Native English speakers think everyone can understand them so they don't care about their pronunciation or speed, but you do. Thank you for articulating and taking you time, it's very pleasant to listen to your videos.
I’m a native speaker, and I also have such a hard time understanding my fellow native English speakers, at least on TH-cam. People in real life are easier to understand, maybe it’s body language or that they aren’t reading off a script so they’re slower and take more pauses.
Ahyeon is screaming to hit her notes. She's going to damage her vocal chords doing that. She needs to learn how to reach her notes in a safe manner. Ahyeon seems to be a belter (I am not a trained vocalist nor teacher. I am just a band and orchestra geek who grew up singing gospel, lol). But, i am not a teacher, so i am not sure about that. Ahyeon needs to learn how to gradually reach her notes. Practicing her scales and dynamics will help. Doing sliding scales is a great way to help. You're basically slurring through your notes, while going up a half or whole step. As You're moving into your trouble zones, you have to engage your core, fill your lungs, support your diaphragm, and relax your throat and body to reach those tones. With sliding scales, you also work on dynamics. Starting off in a decrescendo, sliding down into pianissimo, then gradually increasing the volume to fortissimo. While you're doing this, you should not be screaming. The only thing you're doing differently is projecting. To project and scream has a different approach. To scream requires tight muscles. To project requires agility, strength, and precision. As you get softer and louder our voices will lose their strength. That's why practicing softer tones and bolder louder tones are important. They are the dynamics within a piece. It is apart of ear training also.. Practicing your scales with a piano or string instrument is important for ear training. Tuning your notes. Practicing dynamics and different tongue postures is important to adding color to a piece. It's what helped convey a story. Harmonies and melodies can be practiced by playing with chords while practicing your scales. It's definitely a group project. Here's something people don't know. You can teach people how to sing and play an instrument. But you can't teach character. You can't teach color. You can't teach soul. You can't teach people a craft. Each one of these activities requires experience. These are all technical issues that can be fized with practice.
I respect your opinion and ahyeon have so much potential she 17yrs old but I think yg keep push her and I'm afraid her voice got damge specially upcoming world tour, and there something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg gave it, Yg should not overwork her and same with other member too
Well said. So many K-pop fans throw around vocal terminology as ammunition for arguments, yet often can't even properly differentiate what’s right from what’s wrong.
i hate when people make fun when you do mistake in a foreign language and those people who make fun speak only one language. i notice that especially when you argue with people and they are wrong and don't have any arguments. i face people in kpop community like that make fun of the conjugaison mistakes that i could do. those people don't respond me anymore when i tell them that english is the 3rd language that speak and i'm more fluent in Arabic (native language) and in French
@hederlisa like i said it's mostly people who speak only one language who do that because they don't know how hard is to learn a foreign language especially when this language is totaly different from your native language.
While I have absolutely no issue with mistakes while SPEAKING a second language, the lyricists at big companies do kinda bug me. They have time and resources to get it right.
Agreed. It's so ironic when people who only know and speak one language judge, criticise and mock others for not perfectly speaking in another language and making mistakes, especially when said language is completely different from their native tongue smh. It's even more ironic coming from Kpop fans who don't understand Korean at all and yet make fun of idols for their English, even more so when said idols often also know Japanese, Mandarin Chinese and other languages on top of Korean and English.
Bae has a good and unique vocal, the best vocal order of the nmixx members is 1. Lily 2. Oh Haewon 3. Sullyoon 4. Kyujin 5. Jiwoo 6. Bae, if in another group Bae could be the main vocalist.
Thank you! As a Monstiez, I do not appreciate the use of Ahyeon too (she has a pleasant head voice but they make her belt lot of the times), but it’s not possible to talk to the other fans about it because you are immediately labeled as hater No, I think Ayheon is talented and have a great voice, I just do not appreciate the high notes of people with bright voice being pushed on the public, because to me it sound unpleasant, like a glorified scream. Rora is so underrated
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
YG needs to let Ahyeon take a break from high notes and let her develop and train her voice. For one, her high notes spund strained and shrill and two, her vocal chords are just going to get damaged. Companies need to stop forcing artists to do things out of their range and train them properly, thats not just a YG problem btw.
Fact: recognizing your flaws and weaknesses will only make you a better vocalist. This is one if the reasons why NMIXX have never been stagnant. They're not perfect, they know what they need to work on, and continuously do so. This applies to fans! If fans continue to put their idols on the highest pedestal and push the "make believe" idea that they're practically perfect and untouchable will only lead to unrealistic expectations, and eventually folly.
For JYPE regressed vocals, I blame them not giving their idols time to improve and just go straight comeback back to back. I dont even think many of them have weeks of vacation, since after one comeback, they have tours, showcases, sign, many events and the cycle continue. With so many schedules and comebacks, I dont think they even have the time to hit lesson other than the necessary for comeback songs.
i agree with the jyp part, especially about jihyo, looking at her just EATING b4's for breakfest around debut almost makes me sad. i DO lowkey feel like shes re entering a new peak tho!! her solo mightve not topped the charts but it did really great things to her voice
As someone who loves a soulful alto voice, I'm getting kind of frustrated with k-pop's seeming obsession with high notes. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good high note as much as the next gal, but it feels like a lot of singers are being pushed to hit a note that is either out of their range or they don't have the technique to hit yet. There are a lot of amazing singers who can't hit those super high notes and that doesn't diminish their talent or skill at all! Also, not exactly what you are talking about, but I don't understand why people get so hung up about cringey English lyrics in k-pop. A lot of those lyrics are not written or sung by native English speakers, so give them a little bit of a break (and it is not like native English singers and songwriters don't have any awkward lyrics in their songs). And then as soon as k-pop idols start putting more focus on English lyrics, the same fans complain!
Opinion number 2 had me gagging. Lol I have absolutely no faith in Sakura, Eunchae and Kazuha. This is a group that was rushed to debut in 6 months. Kazuha NEVER sang before that. Sakura will never be able to sing because thats just not her talent and Eunchae needs serious serious training. Yunjin and Chaewon are fine.
Real, I solo Stan Yunjin but to be real she’s not a great singer either LSRF makes unique enough music to hold it in the industry but they are pretty tone deaf and can’t really sing.
this is so funny cuz kazuha can acutally sing now, she has improved a crazy amount and u can clearly see that in their behind recording for their song "crazier" , kazuha shocked me because she has an amazing singing tone (calm/soothing voice) pls listen to it, i felt so proud of her after hearing her sing. She can really sing amazing. Chaewon and yunjin can sing and have always been able too, eunchae cant sing, sakura can sing well but she needs vocal training on how to be more stable while dancing. I blame HYBE for the most part, cuz le sserafim always gets extremely hard choreos and that makes it near impossible for them to sound good because HYBE doesn't even provide proper vocal training .
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
Ahyeon has potential but like Jennie she will never reach it because YG will never give her decent vocal lessons. Her tone is so metalic it actually hurts to hear her high notes. Rami and Rora are the undisputed main vocalists of baemon and who I'm always most looking forward in any comebacks of the group.o
I don’t think enough fans understand that developing vocal technique is very similar to any other muscle group. It’s going to take at least 3-4 months of consistent training to see a noticeable difference. Not just consistent, but EFFECTIVE. Even then, it’s not like you’re going to go from Yeri to Wendy in that time frame. Bringing up my favorite two examples, we have Seungmin and I.N. Seungmin’s vocal growth started being noticeable around 2021 after he’d taken up the position of main vocalist for over a year. I.N’s growth was more noticeable in 2022/2023. It takes such a long period of time to see the difference between their current vocal technique and where they started in 2017/2018. Obviously, there are exemptions from the rule. If someone’s a great vocalist but they aren’t doing well health-wise (sickness, nervousness, injury, etc.), then they’re going to be able “improve” quickly. But more often than not, fans will be aware of an idol’s health. And plenty of idols are more able to demonstrate their vocal abilities more as their group’s composition changes and/or their company gives them more opportunities to show off their vocals. Look at Giselle and Bahiyyih. They’ve been slowly getting more lines in the choruses of their songs because their companies trust them more to carry those parts. But yeah, TLDR: If you think an idol has made a massive improvement in their vocals within a short period of time (less than a year), there’s probably a different explanation for why they seem to be doing better.
Rami is such a talent, i rarely hear a voice like hers in kpop, so rich full and her vocal AGILITY y'all 😆there's a timbre her voice takes on thats so pleasant to the ears. Rora is an absolute vocal star as well, her vibrato is so clean
whenever Twice is brought up, my first reaction is always to get defensive because I’ve been a ONCE for so long, so it pains me to have to agree that their regressing vocally, especially Jihyo. I love them so much but I think the rigorous schedule JYP puts them on has effected the quality of their music and their vocals
@@Vichencio23 I agree on Momo and Sana and despite what he said, I'd add Tzuyu to the list. I think they simply got more experience thanks to the tour they had and subunit/solo activities. The others sounded better in the past.
Jihyo's voice in the Killing Voice performance video was actually ear grating like I don't know why she started singing with her nose but it does not sound good & the only reason I'm saying this is because i KNOW she can sound good for a fact.
I feel like Jihyo's technique changed for the worse. She became more nasal and breathy over the years and I think JYP is to blame for it. Jihyo talked about how she was always criticized for not fitting the group's sound. It's sad to see that she changed her decent approach to singing into a less healthy manner. I don't think it's a lost cause cos there are times when she ditches the nasal sound in live performances and sounds great (i.e Doughnut high note). I hope she goes back to her roots and focuses on healthy singing instead of stylistic choices🙏
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
I've noticed the english hate a lot for soyeon too, people were genuinely calling her a BAD RAPPER because she added english words to her raps (eg:tomboy) and they didn't necessarily make 100% sense. I'm sorry, but YOU try rapping, not just speaking, in a completely different language with a completely different script and hey, words were cut to make the raps go with the flow which is quite normal in american hip hop Honestly, these kinds of people REEK of xenophobia
I would disagree. Giving an interview and writing a rap are two different things. One requires improvement over time and the other is something that has the time to improve. Soyeon can write to rap and get help from some who hopefully speaks English and Korean to help the verse make sense. If someone were to make an English song with random Korean words out of context, we would make fun of that person. Instead to supporting Soyeon, she needs the Criticism, not bashing, to do better when it comes to incorporating English in her songs.
@jimmycroni The thing is, soyeon's doing just fine as far as English lyrics go There was that one full tomboy rap which made half sense, but otherwise the English lyrics since then have always been quite fine. The main idea was to make them sound punchy like pretty much all releases from tomboy onwards. I would say the only thing is that the pronunciation sometimes goes too far in the punchy direction ( the 'cause got a superpower sounds more like girl's got a superpower in super lady)
@@jimmycronithat’s the point soyeon used short cuts for a reason she knows she can get help for English lyrics but she doesn’t because she knows how she wants HER GROUP songs to be
@@jimmycroniNah, because she's using English incorrectly on purpose. Half of her lyrics are satirical. Also, take into consideration that the only reason why Kpop groups use Eglish in their lyrics is American imperialism. A Korean artist speaking or singing in broken Korean is absolutely not the same as an English speaker writing a song in broke Korean.
i think the hiatus took the greatest effect on her. Very long time of lack of training, practise and not performing for so long. Not hating, I’m glad she took time off for her health. I’m just saying it’s probably what led to her regression. As a person who used to take singing lessons and was in choir for seven years, my technique deteriorated when I stopped training for like 3 months coz I had dengue and it weakened me and i took a break. It certainly took longer than that to get back to my old skill (around 6 months to see a diff)
I greatly appreciate your respectful approach to constructive criticism. I have become a great fan of NMIXX and their powerful vocals. Finally, no one deserves criticism about speaking in a foreign language. I am native English and speak Russian reasonably well. Their are many native speakers who do speak their own language well.
people think having flaws in their vocals techniques automatically means they are bad vocalist which is not true...people can have flaws, and the GREATEST VOCALISTS of this world are usually made from learning their mistakes and improving nobody is born perfect, and we often forget that to apply that with the vocalists
Vocal improvement takes time , it takes longer for a person to improve vocally than dance in kpop. We've seen so many idol improvement in dance quite many times in kpop space but vocal wise that is quite rare.
People should stop obsessing over belts and hitting high notes becuase it does not make a person a good vocalist. It's all about the right use of vocal technique withought damaging your instrument. If you notice mamamoo, made up of 4 main vocalists, their recent releases like Aya & Illella are mostly mid to low range songs. Instead of the high notes, they experimented on the low, more techincal way of singing and the belter of the group, Solar even said that songs like these are more difficult to do.
I genuinely cringe every time I hear or see Ahyeon. Everything she does is too much. She has no control of her vocals or her over the top stage facial expressions….
As a Fan of Baemon. I agree. I love them so much, like they are my own babies( lol) But i hate when people overpraising Aheyon. She can sing. She sings well, but she needs to learn( i agree she will, because she so Young ) But when people saying : Oh she the Best. and stuff. Like you putting the target on Her for others people hate( sorry for english, but i hope you ll understand).Because of her high notes, people thing that she doesnt belong in the group and overall bad vocalist and idol. I genuine wonder if YG dont see that issue, more over, he is using her high notes( in the bridge of DRIP), which are not that good. Im concern if that technic healfthy and not will her hurt her. Let them just be and see what we will get next.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
If we don't appreciate the idols for what they already have... They will not improve at all , they will start thinking that no matter how much u improve fans will always have some problem. This is why companies do not care about vocal bcz people will never be satisfied. Ahyeon has good stage presence,sings live perfectly. Try appreciating the good talent of idols instead of just bashing them for the things that they don't have. Hope u understood
@manogaming6534 you are so wrong. It s not about fans, it's about healthy and good technique, Ahyeon doesn't sing perfectly that s the point. Did you ever read my comment ? I said she is a good vocalist, but she needs to learn. You need to improve not for someone but for yourself. But some fans are even worse then haters. Some fans just so blind and will praise idol for literally the smallest thing. And it s not the right way do to things. Hope you understand
If I recall correctly, I believe Woojin stuck with his old vocal coach from SME while he was in Stray Kids for lessons. And I think he recommended them to Seungmin, who would also go outside of the company for vocal training (followed by I.N). In Twice’s case, I think Tzuyu and Momo have become more stable as vocalists. They can handle singing and moving at the same time. But in terms of actually singing with proper technique, I have no idea what’s happened to Twice. Fortunately, Lia sounds stronger during “Gold” era than she was during “Cheshire” and even “Cake”. I think her recovery period did her a world of good. But yeah, NMIXX is really carrying the majority of JYPE vocals (which sucks because the other groups have so much potential).
For me, talking about vocals, there's yet to be another group like mamamoo. What's great about mamamoo is that mamamoo as a group is a different artist than the individual members and it's like having five different vocally strong and unique artist. None of each members solo have the complete mamamoo feel, but doesn't mean they are losing either. The other music group I have the same feeling is Kalafina, and they are not even KPOP and have totally different music. But how it plays out related to the vocal of being in groups and in solo, totally the same. Idk how to express this statement better.
I’m glad you talked about Twice because they’re my ult group and I’m just devastated because JYp just keeps making them comeback without them having time to train their vocals. Every single member has a clear distinct voice that can reach potential if proper training given, NMIXX has multiple vocal coaches so why couldn’t Twice be given the same treatment ? Let’s be real they were never a vocally strong oriented group to begin with but I was hoping they’d keep the same stability they used to have during Sixteen / early Twice days. The company wasted their talent and it truly saddens me that I can’t do anything to help with that especially since Jeongyeon is my bias since I started getting into Kpop and most of my kpop biases are so because of their voice…
I don't understand why people find whistle notes so amazing, they instantly label singers that have a whistle register as better vocalists just because of that. For example, I found someone claiming that, since Bae had whistle register, she was now the best vocalist in NMIXX. I'd much rather listen to the sixth octave head-voices like Jane Zhang's than a basic whistle note without personality or purpose. Also, thank god you talked about Baemon I was taking permanent brain damage explaining to the fandom why people should be worried about Ahyeon performing that highnote every time. They also thought it was a 3-octave high note for some reason.
@@xMeikax I listen to Mariah Emotions, Without You and Hero live performances on the daily but her whistle register was never the cause why I loved her so much. There are many singers with great whistle registers and I don't care for any of them, maybe I am just retarded (yes) and weird. The Bae thing was said when I actually found a Bae stan that I debated with in one of NMIXX's encore win performances.
one person who is a bae Stan claiming Bae is the now the best isn't a big issue lol as a Bae stan myself, her new found whistle register doesn't put her above the vocal trio monsters. I don't like whistle notes either but its just another "weapon" that theyve added to their arsenal as a group that they can play around with moving forward.
Hey, have you seen Nmixx's see that promotion week 3 or 4, they all (unless Sullyoon) try to reach Bae whistle note. I remember Bae, Haewon and Kyujin reach it, Jiwoo was near the good pitch and Lily wasn't able to reach high as other girls, but she still have the highest pitch in her group and in 4gen.😊
I'm not a coach but others have said whistle notes are not higher, you can have a low voice and still do them if you train. They're in a different register
I watched a video a few years ago of Luna from F(x) hitting whistle notes too. Sad to see a vocal legend like her not being talked about as much anymore
I want to see Rora has more noticeable lines, because all kpop fans see are belts and highnotes. I know Ahyeon has a huge talent and will keep improving. But Rora who already has good techniques is pushed back in the group and even started be known as weak. Yes she can't hit that high, but she has so many strong sides and all YG does now is highlighting Rami and Ahyeon vocally, when they have Rora too. Just give Rora long beautiful belt and she finally will be recognized by kpop fans. But Rora in Lee Mujin service would be the best YG's decision for her.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
Jype idols since Twice to Itzy is not vocal focused. Itzy is performance based. Twice is cutesy and Jype invested them as performance group. They only realised they need a group with strong vocals when both groups were criticized harshly. Thats the time when JYPE started to change their group standards and invested more vocals. Twice and Itzy dont get enough rest and seems like they focus more in dancing esp Twice as they never tried doing performance videos where they sing live during a comeback like Itzy and Nmixx. But what I still like about JYPE is they learn, since Niziu, their groups are now being vocally trained and the best product is Nmixx. Nmixx has become the new prototype of JYPE as it is a complete all rounder group.
3:25 is actually spot on. No shade to the other members, but I think Rora sets a strong example for her groupmates. There are moments when Ahyeon and Pharita could have used better control on high notes, though they still shine vocally in the mid-range. Rami shows excellent vocal technique, and Chiquita is already close to the level of top vocalists in girl groups. I appreciate all the members, including Asa and Ruka, who also have distinctive singing styles. The main takeaway here is that Rora stands out for her stability, technique, control, and ability to deliver a satisfying vibrato-something the others can look up to as they continue to grow. The group consistently steps up with every comeback, and I believe in their potential.
Ahyeon is yg's next jennie, but they are taking it too far. I couldnt listen to stuck in the middle ot7 bcs she isnt able to sing softly. This is all because they dont care about her, but money and they know fans will eat her yelling up. What they dont realize is that shes most probably gonna damage her voice and will never sing again. They should also give more space to rora, shes really underappreciated even within the fandom + question: Can haram from baemon sing in whistle register? Im not sure but im pretty sure she can (i. e. christmas without you, love maybe)
@@tp5510 jennie has two most important positions in her group also shes center that’s why she gets most lines it’s fair👍🏻shes main rapper lead vocalist and center
The Center A certain member is place in the middle of the group during promotion, photo shoots, video shoots, etc..because of their good look, dancing talents, their popularity, the one who get fans attention. The Face of The Group A member who brings attention to the group, the popular members, So who the center and face of BP? From my understanding from this two description it doesn’t seem to be Jennie, except for Jennie fans. Jisoo visuals/vocal Jennie rap/vocal Rosé vocal/dance Lisa dance/rap/sub vocal
The problem in kpop is when grup comeback they will going around to sing on music show, sing for 3-4 times for a day. so unhealty highnote will be big big problem
Actually everyone in babymonster is vocally talented but these kpoopies will never acknowledge that bcz they don't want babymonster to become more popular than their favs.
It's true high notes and whistle notes aren't what make up a good vocalist, and one person who made me realize that was SEUNGMIN from Straykids, he will forever be my favorite male vocalist, I love his voice very much and he doesn't hit high notes that much, and you can feel his dedication. Also ROSÉ, I love both of 'em. Sorry if this is off topic.
YES!!! CALL THEM OUT!!! Lisa is Thai. That’s her native language. She learned both English AND Korean! Let’s see those people who criticize her linguistic abilities speak a non-native language with nearly the same proficiency as her! Seriously, the monolingual pride fueled xenophobia against non-native speakers is so disgusting.
I just really want YG to stop setting up Ahyeon and ruining her Vocal chords with the way she sings the high notes in the present it's gonna ruin her voice in the long run.
You have a point even me afraid she will damge her voice but yg always push her and something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it
4:15 Yep. Hear you loud and clear. And this is why pandering to the viewers and fans is not what I want to see because of course, it makes the critique inaccurate. And thus why I and many others are here.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
The high notes in Babymon’s song felt unnecessary-they didn’t need to go that high, and it honestly ruined the vibe. Now, I think I get why there’s so much criticism of Ahyeon. It seems like YG is pushing really hard to make her into this ‘all-rounder,’ but, to be honest, she isn’t quite there yet. Sure, she can dance, but she’s not the best of the best. People expect an all-rounder to excel in everything, and when she doesn’t meet those expectations, it feels more like disappointment than actual hate. Also, having such a young fan base isn’t helping, since they’re less likely to give her constructive feedback. I just hope her fans will recognize and support her genuine strengths rather than overhyping everything.
@@IzyLia I think Ahyeon’s solo stans are all teenagers or aren’t older than early 20’s. Someone so young can’t really give constructive criticism. They only see that Ahyeon hit a high note and how she do that, healthy or unhealthy, doesn’t matter, right
Even though Rami is my main bias, i like all the girls but i feel they forced high notes so much, the high note in their new song (imo) it can be erased
Rora's vocals sound more mature. Ahyeon's singing style is concerning, as it doesn't sound healthy; it makes me feel like she'll have a sore throat afterwards.
1.Ahyeon is a great vocalist, but in 'Drip' I don't think the high note she has suits her, I would say it'll be better if Chiquita, or Rora had that high note. BUT AHYEON STILL ATE! 2. Staining voices is mainly the reason why, we don't know what they do off screen, but they can be straining their voices.(JYP ONE)
chiquita cant hit that note ...rora and rami on other hand would have done a far better job than ahyeon and ahyeon doesnt have the widest range her voice is just loud which she cant control at all
Your opinion is always thoughtful and appreciated. Anyway, I’m not trying to call out any specific group or company here-just sharing my humble thoughts. K-pop is obviously a business, and yes, individual artists are seen as products with instant marketable value by their companies. But instead of focusing solely on the immediate commercial side, it would be great to see more opportunities for real growth and training so they can evolve into genuine artists in the long run. While I understand their autonomy is somewhat limited, it’d be amazing if the artists themselves keep pushing to grow beyond what the company provides. Best wishes to all these talented individuals.
Babymonster fans are repeating whatever shit Blackpink fans did ( being a solo stan and hating other members ) I really really love Babymonster the way I loved Blackpink ( yes I LOVED blackpink but they are useless as a group , as soloist they are alright ) I hope Babymonster doesn't disappoint me even though their fandom will and I know that very well
So Its ahyeon who can hit the highest notes in the group..But she hasn't learned how to control her voice properly..(she will learn) then rora and rami are the most stable and controlled Vocalists..So we can say ahyeon is the weapon but..She really needs to work more!! And we all support her..
@@garimasuhani7227I respect your opinion but the more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it, she got all highnotes, harmonizing, adlibs along with rami since babymons7er album until now drip album ahyeon have so much potential the problem is yg keep push her overwork I love so much this group all of them I been supporting this girls since evaluation I don't want one of the member unhealthy or hurt, and there World tour is coming imagine hitting those 3 octv and hit drip dance fast in stage, I hope yg will not repeat this gen
Finally someone talks about Ahyeon, she’s not the worst vocalist, far from that but I absolutely cannot stand/listen to her high notes I just feel like she’s screaming in her mic. And netizen have a hard time understanding that, I am not hating on her she’s very talented but you cannot tell me it’s audibly pleasing to have her scream like that. And the problem is the company doesn’t seem to care so each concert she’ll fry her vocal cords and what will it be in 2 years?
People who have learned music feels the same. Ahyeon is so young & she is very talented but I guess they are lacking vocal skills. That's not their fault though, their company should look over the matter. Fans think hitting high notes is good singing. No matter how much popularity an idol gains....training must not stop.
@@mayu199SVT Fans don’t only say that hitting high notes means being a good vocalist. They also go as far as saying they are or should be a main vocalist material. Well, fans seem to think that as long as you hit impressively high notes, you are a main vocalist.
This is one of the best videos ever monsteize need to realise that bm still needs improvement and they are not proffesional singgers they some times sound off especially ahyeon no hate towards her also kiss of life is good but belle wistle notes arent always wistle notes it funny cause only nimxx and fromis usally include it in there song and hybe group normally get hate for vocals they dont have the best vocalist it true also lsf has a song in there channel were they actually sang live sing not crazy it was written by yunjin it really good tho
For me they got all my attention I been supporting this girls since evaluation, the only problem here is yg keep pushing overwork ahyeon this girl have so much potential and only 17yrs old in press conference ahyeon say yg ask her to do highnotes and yg suggest make it do one hotes higher which 3 octv and there upcoming world tour I'm afraid she will damge her voice imagine hit that high and proceed drip fast dance even some youtuber reactor say she overwork yg should take care of this girls they are babies
@Karlzk-il5vt true YG is making push herself And I love the all and support them but if i praise others Ahyeon fans attacks me always 😭 And they can't believe she screams. Tbh in dance sometimes she over does and now she is not giving energy is drip when others are giving their full energy she is being childish of nothing. Her fans says she is it but i disagree getting hate ≠ it girl. She has not done anything yet to be the it
I love Ahyeon,she has swag and talent but i am not a fan of her high notes. It's just a pain to ears when you come to enjoy music thats why i say that Rami should handle the high notes in babymonster. Even Ahyeon should do high notes but little less. And i had a question can rami do Whistle note??😅
Thank God somebody has the same opinion as me , apart from Asa and Ruka everyone else's sexy attitude looks forced tbh , also 4 of them are minors so I don't get the point of them twerking every now and then
People called BADVILLAIN a ripoff but it works so much better bc they're all over 18, one is even my age (and I'm old haha). They got an attitude that you can't teach 14 year olds. They aren't even half through puberty like why are they singing about their wealth etc?
Yes. No group with members who are predominantly minors should have a ‘fierce’ concept. This is why aespa, bp, gidle, kiof & badvillain work. There is something almost comedic seeing 15yr olds rap about how ‘bad’ they are.
I think its a bit ingenuine on your part to say fearnots are praising le sserafim only for crazy. Recently they did various University festivals, and they have definitely improved. No one is saying they are Mariah Carey level of singers, but they are now definitely more stable. Just compare their coachella antifragile performance- th-cam.com/video/WPNOUOh2-VY/w-d-xo.html and their university festival antifragile performance- th-cam.com/video/UtVqmzl95rU/w-d-xo.html The difference is there whether you admit it or not.
![[CC] BABYMONSTER vibes well over food, dad jokes & moreㅣMaking of RADAR Korea Presents: BABYMONSTER](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5rWOpFTpakM/mqdefault.jpg)
I think ahyeons biggest weakness is control, not just in her vocals but also in her rap and dance, she’s one of those people that’s very naturally talented but struggles to find the right balance. I think she has a very pretty vocal tone and could easily be a fantastic vocalist but she just needs to learn how to not overdo it, same with her dance, the natural talent is there but the attention to detail isn’t, it’s a good weakness to have because she’s putting 110% power into every she does, so reeling that power back is much easier than adding to it. The only thing I’m concerned about is if she doesn’t learn how to control her power it will damage her vocal cords fairly quickly, so I just hope someone at yg is keeping an eye on it and helping her learn better techniques to keep her voice healthy
You right i just saw something ahyeon when she was nervous her dance was not balanced was not good but when she having fun stage was quite good and i hope she learned how to control vocal or dance she not déverse that much hate
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@yusuffarax9608ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4Saying Ahyeon is better than Rami in singing and even better at rap than Asa or Ruka? Stop joking. Let me explain why you’re totally wrong:
1. Vocal Control: Rami has impressive vocal control, with solid diaphragm support and stable, clear high notes. Ahyeon, on the other hand, loses control on high notes and sounds forced because she hasn’t mastered breath support.
2. Mix Voice Technique: Rami knows how to use mix voice, creating smooth transitions between registers. Ahyeon still doesn’t manage this technique well, so her register changes sound tense and even screechy at times.
3. Tone and Resonance: Rami’s voice is warm and well-projected, while Ahyeon’s is brighter but loses smoothness and quality at high tones. Rami knows how to use resonance in her mask, while Ahyeon just increases volume without technique.
4. Rap: Asa and Ruka are on another level. Asa has flow, control, and phrasing that Ahyeon can’t even come close to. Ruka has the presence and deeper tone that’s perfect for rap, while Ahyeon sounds flat and lacks character in comparison.
5. Dance: Ahyeon is good, but Rami has better precision and body control. Strength isn’t the same as technique, and Rami makes it look easy.
In short, Rami has better technique in singing, Asa and Ruka are miles ahead in rap, and Rami is more precise in dance. Ahyeon has potential, but she’s not at the level you’re claiming. Let’s be real.
@@VioletMoon272 dw that is a troll, they've been copy pasting that to every comment that is saying opinion about ahyeon.
I agree RE: Ahyeon. She's got a lot of talent but atm I find her high notes to just be shrill
Yea she will learn how to control them
I love her high note in drip.
It really reminds me of American Idol where the audience and judges would lose their MIND over belters, when a lot of the singers didn't have great technique and were close to screaming lol
@lila7663 I hope u r not talking about ahyeon cuz she has improved now.
@@irtaza2704illiteracy...
I can only assume NMIXX is the only group to have individual vocal coaches, because they are absolutely killing it.
They have multiple coaches , I remember the members said they have vocal lessons teacher+ had someone just to teach them harmonizing+ someone to teach them how to use hand microphone while dancing without sounding shaky
I'm sure SM artists are also similar cuz a lot of their artists are trained by different people too
finally someone with good observation and actually seeing the issue with baemon vocals especially ahyeon her fans are crazy saying she is the best vocalist in 5 th gen is straight up crazy and the overprasing point is so stop on they tend to ignore rora who actually have great vocal technique and foundation just because of some flawed vocals of other members
Her fans think that ahyeon having the widest range in the group is everything to know that she is the best vocalist.
But I didn't find anyone saying Ahyeon is the best Vocalist in Baemon but I found it saying Rami fans
@@helloitsme535 yes sami I never saw fan saying ahyeon was best vocal 5th gen or babymonster all the time was rami and belle they saying best 5th gen
Girl please don't lie if we hate ahyeon highnote do mean we can lie
@@Catnip3207 But the truth is she has widest range in the group
Ahyeon is screaming those high notes. She has singing talent but YG needs to STOP giving her those notes with her current technique. Give her some more lessons and give her notes within her range. They are setting her up and she doesn’t deserve that
She so much potential I'm afraid she will damge her voice specially there coming World tour, but something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it,
@@Karlzk-il5vtI am really scared that in the coming years she won't be able to hit the high notes because she might strain her voice. 😢
@@Karlzk-il5vt Yep. Ahyeon has SO much potential. Give her like a year or two of proper vocal coaching, and she'd be really good
@@blahblahsuperanon I mean, she's already good🤷🏽♂️just need control and resonance. Her lower placements are a little weird tbh
@@BlackUzumaki7 resonance and control are just as important as range, if not more so.
I feel like ahyeon associates loud with good or high because she has such potential, and hopefully, yg will get her those vocal lessons
She would def be on the top 3 9f best vocalist in the group would she have a better technique and voice projection
Blaming K-pop companies is not the way to go, I think it should be the singer's (like in any profession) responsibility to worry about being good at their job no? I don't want the company to assign me a shit vocal coach but I may find one of my choosing (or try different coaches' approaches and opinions). It mostly depends on the singer to understand their voice, limits, a vocal coach can't teach you how good singing feels, a weekly 30-minute lesson from a vocal coach is more than enough for the average singer to notice their flaws and work on correcting them.
She just needs to LEARn how to control..And since she has the highest Vocal range she is given these high notes
@@Legacy_2109 oh sh1t now you blame ahyeon? their contracts are exclusive with YG, it's not like they can go with another teacher whenever they want, besides ahyeon's voice has to go through adolescence, since her voice is so strong her tone changes are difficult to control because her voice is incredibly high easily, this depends on the maturity of her voice, but her technique is not incorrect because she manages to sustain her way of singing normally, she just needs to learn to control the intensity of her voice
@@Legacy_2109 often kpop companies have full control over their schedules and kpop idols quite literally never catch a break. when they're promoting, it's 24 hour schedules and when they're not promoting, they're preparing their next comeback since kpop groups nowadays have 2~4 comebacks per year. it's not comparable to a regular old 9-5
i cant bear ahyeon's high notes at all... i dont hate her, it's just her high notes are unpleasant to hear with her tone 😢 YG should stop exploiting her higher register and give her some time for vocal lessons. Rami's high notes always sound very full and warm (idk how to explain this lol) and that's why i prefer Rami
they keep giving us the ahyeon yelling high notes because fans eat it up like crazy. girl is going to end up wrecking her voice at this rate when she clearly has potential
Agree, give her better tecnique 😢
Rami and Rora are better vocalists then Ahyeon. I feel they should treat Ahyeon more like a lead vocalist who has decent lines, but leave the challenging parts to Rora and Rami.
yeah I just wish all of her high notes were given to Rora tbh
@@vixxexo6855Fr Rora is extremely under utilized and treated like a sub vocalist 😭
Idk why fearnots use Crazy as an example of Lsrfm's vocal improvement when the song doesn't even has "vocal" in it
Thats why I only listen to the pink pantheress version because there’s more melody and I’m not a fan of eunchae rap at all.
If u go to there channel u will see them singing another song live i think yunjin recorded it it actually vocal based and good
Yeah I'm a fearnot and it's clear that Crazy isn't supposed to be their vocal comeback moment. I feel like it's supposed to be more of their rap oriented album, after the more dance oriented Easy. Hopefully the next one will be more vocally focused, but I'm kinda nervous since even Yunjin struggled at Coachella 😅
I agree. Crazy isn’t a song with any vocals it’s more of speaking/talking singing.
Because Hybe is spending a lot of money to make them huge no matter anything. And because as fans we want our idols to improve.
Truth is 90% of kpop "live" stages are heavily edited vocals, loud backing track, or lip syncing. You rarely hear actual unedited vocals. Idk why a lot of kpop fans can't distinguish edited and unedited vocals. The heavy editing is so obvious. They keep praising heavily edited vocals of idols who in reality struggles to sing live and using it as ammunition to fan wars comparing it to actual idols who can legit sing. It's so weird. 💀💀😂😂
K-pop fans are uneducated about music in general, plus many are extremely young like BM fans. You'd think NMIXX, Mamamoo or EXO fans are different but they are not. Do you know the amount of people that I saw claiming that Ahyeon did a 3 octave high note in drip? If someone who doesn't sing wants to learn to distinguish autotuned and pitch-corrected vocals they should just go to watch Wings of pegasus videos.
I'm happy I was able to witness one of those of 10% real live stages around this era🥰
That is why I use only encores now to decide if a group deserves my attention in the vocal department. And people call me hater because I only use them to judge a group vocal capacity.
The only ones that seem to be 100% live now are encores (there are other live audio stages but with a really loud backtrack). Even radio shows have a stupid backtrack now. I'm an InSomnia and it's so stupid, like you did all of this live as rookies but now that you're so much better we can't hear your voices? I don't even know who to blame. The company made a great effort this year to prove that they have top live vocalists but then they can't bring a casual radio show to drop the backtrack? Seeing how their lives wildly vary from Format to Format I'll give them them the benefit of the doubt for now and blame it on the individual production companies...
@@belaytriks can't do much else, and that's not just for new groups. I'm a Dreamcatcher fan and while I know that they've improved vocally, I literally can't tell for some members. For example Gahyun is a strong vocalist - we think - but no one can prove that as her voice is always drowned out by the backtrack. They also don't win music shows and haven't done recording behinds aside from one Japanese promo years ago. They also only seem to follow trends for vocal editing so there hasn't been a proper live clip in years. The Justice live ear was ok I think but I'd have to listen again. I don't want crazy choreo, I just want a full live clip like in the olden days. Don't even get me started on Killing Voice, allegedly they edited the legendary Mamamoo video years after release (not sure about a change but it is definitely edited). Nothing is safe.
it's just sad that YG focuses on showing off ahyeon's wide range repetitively but keeps ignoring Rora's vocal and don't use her in actual title songs.
Like i personally feel like Rora voice is sm coded like not nasal and her singing feel like more fuller .
it's good to hear her beautiful voice in b sides but sadly ppl only appreciate what in MV.
Yeah rora vocal was soo good but just sometimes rora don’t have confidence 2nel concept when they sing you hear rora almost stop rami ahyeon singing with her sheesh firt part i hope she got confidence
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 girl be fr they was reason rami was main vocal rami low and high can sing without promlem
Rora is very good technically singer if... she is in relaxing environment without dancing. She has weaker stamina and her voice naturally has worse projection than Ahyeon, Chiquita or Pharita (despite being technically better than all of them). She is my bias so I know very well that she rarely goes over backtrack.
And obviously girl is 16 and she still adapt to being on the stage with huge audience. I'm actually happy that YG gives her time and actually show how important she is from future perspective. Idols are people and like all people they are not the same. Girls are in similar age but have different level of confidence. Rora is more confident than Ahyeon while speaking to media but she is less confident than her goes over backtrack.
@@mio26k82Rora was an idol even before Babymonster
I thought Nmixx's tiny desk performance would go VIRAL considering almost no other K-pop group has done what they have done. Guess I was wrong. People still label Nmixx's music as "bad" in general like it's not even the opinion of people other than Nswer anymore. They straight up say "Yes, Nmixx is so talented. Only if the group didn't have trash songs...." They only listened to O.O. and DIce and never moved on from there. Why can't Nmixx get a chance at redemption? Still happy that dash and see that? Comebacks boosted their popularity a bit.
And run for roses 100% caught my attention otherwise I wouldn’t be able to name all member or even their debut song name
If other Popular group did what NMIXX did in Tiny desk Korea their fans would have blowed the internet 😂
NMIXX have quality fans not quantity
I think after NMIXX there is only one group which is doing absolutely great (XG)
@jangthapa5482 Tbf there are other groups who can absolutely sing live and acapella such as BTOB or EXO, as well as the vocal line of NCT and Seventeen.
@@Kalakeiko hold your horses....... is there any Girl group in 4th gen who is more stable than NMIXX Except AESPA ? I was talking about 4th gen girl groups I didn't know NCT and BTOB, EXO and Seventeen are in same category
@jangthapa5482 I was talking about Kpop groups in general, not girl groups or even just 4th gen. You never said you were only talking about 4th gen girl groups.
Hey man, honestly don’t you think it’s weird that some “vocal coaches” rate the idols vocal prowess based on their music videos. I can never take their opinions seriously. Such a breath of fresh air when I first saw your videos.
@@mvhd_faiz i thought i was the only one who find it weird and incredibly stupid. Like the studio version would be edited duh.
Vocal coaches are just people who live from teaching how to sing, in kpop they never actually go in-depth and are afraid to voice their opinions if they even have one. They probably use pitch correction too so they won't bother calling out fake "live" shows like The First Take, It´slive, Dingo killing voice, etc. if the idols can't sing they will say " I like their tone" or comment on how beautiful they are instead. Most of them just react to K-pop for views.
Thank you for saying how ppl kept overhyping Ahyeon. I really don’t find her high notes pleasing at all. While Rora doesn’t hit high notes but her singing is so much better.
And Ahyeon fans kept saying Rora is overrated
Lmao the amount of hate i got when i said yg should chill out with giving ahyeon high notes because it sometimes sounds grating to the ears. High notes would always sound good if done properly. Her fans would always flip out if you point that out. They act like having a flaw is crime.
@@Catnip3207 yeah I wish YG gave Rami or Rora the high notes instead. They are capable of doing them and they sound so much less strain. But I kept getting hate for saying that.
I was fighting with her fans for the same reason lol 😂.
Why are some k-pop fans like so sensitive about people pointing out flaws? (Not hate)
Baby monster becoming the daughter of blackpink is true i guess, damn they are just new group but the amount of solo stans are already unreal
I literally just saw a post on Instagram about that hight note of Aehyong (the registration in the studio). I see YG is progecting all the attentions on her even if Rami's voice is more suited for those hight notes, but the fans can't accept criticism, you can't even say something like that because they take that as "Oh so you think she is bad and untalented?!" And start being rude...
Except Rami can’t hit g sharp. She is a great vocalist but she just doesn’t go that high in her mix
Yeah, tbh, the way she is right now, I prefer Ahyeon's rapping over her singing (I have 2 other favorite vocalists in Baemon)
IKR her fans take the criticism as hate *she was my first bias* like the shouting controversy
None of them can hit a belted and supported G5 with the required technique, that is Sohyang level of belting. The only Kpop idol that can maybe hit that would be Lee Young Hyun from Big Mama.
But sohyang resonants/supports g5 like notes in balanced mix but it's way difficult in heady mix only some legendary singers like dimash etc lara resonants upto g5 so yeah @@Legacy_2109
the thing about Nmixx, is unlike other JYP groups, their division outsource their Vocal Coach, their vocal coach is Haewon's sister who specialized in Classical singing, this is also why their singing style is different compared to other JYP acts who got that half air half sound technique (got this info from a korean forum)
could you share the source?
wow really??
as an Nswer, pls stop this misinformation. Haewon's sister is not their vocal coach 😂
@@atleastsomeoneelse might not be true but they definitely have a diff vocal coach than itzy/twice.
I think GOT7 talked about JYP trying to make the sing in the half air way, but Youngjae I think rejected that technique and used another vocal trainer.
Ahyeon reminds me of this contestant named Ruth from season one of The Voice UK. She had this massive voice that could handle belting all day long. But the judges were constantly critiquing her inability to control all the power that comes with a voice like that.
She still was successful on the show and made it into the top 8. But audiences started voting for Leanne (the eventual winner) more than Ruth when she covered “Run To You” by Whitney Houston. Leanne demonstrated what great vocal control looks like. Another contestant that did this in a future season was Christina Marie covering “Fix You” by Coldplay.
Let me get back on topic. Ahyeon has a world of potential. But I think she needs to take it back to the basics, practice her scales, learn how to control her projection, and understand that performing is a balancing act. Even idols criticized for over performing (like Wendy) have developed their abilities to be more polished and palatable.
Baby Monster are still rookies though and they have time to develop these skills. They’re obviously not in any dire circumstances. They have the flexibility to smooth out the rough edges.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4Did I mention Rami? Or any of the other BM members for that matter? It doesn’t matter how strong or weak they are in areas of performance in relation to Ahyeon. The only thing that matters is that Ahyeon over performs, over projects, and just overall needs to learn to balance how much she outputs.
@@BP_blnk_Core_4WE GET IT. We understand now stop spamming.
Yes, she also gives me NiziU Nina vibes
i’m so glad you brought up twice’s vocal regression over the years, i totally agree, and i wanted to add onto that. i think itzy is facing the same problem, they used to sound decent or even good in their songs, but the intro part in their recent comeback “gold” sounds like they’re struggling to sing, even in the studio version… i just feel bad for them… :(
They have no choice but people have alot to say when they crying was so hard to se i hate jyp produce
Twice were NEVER good vocalists.
Let's be real.
@@riffgroove they not bad if they give song they can sing produce sometimes make people lack of confidence they made momo here real vocal was good
@@riffgrooveTotally. Just three of them can actually sing (Jihyo, Nayeon and Jeonyeong). The others are not singers.
@AnaVilla25 Even those 3 are passable at best.
I appreciate tiny desk! It feels a bit like K-pop’s answer to the BBC radio 1 live lounge. The fact that unedited live vocals are so exceptionally rare in Kpop content is quite sad - especially for groups/idols who don’t need the editing. It sucks to hear so much character flattened out of a great singer’s voice to make it “perfect.”
Edit: I literally just realized that Tiny Desk Korea is an extension of NPR’s Tiny Desk performance series 🤦♀️ But to be fair, the BBC live lounge predated that as well 😅
I had no idea it existed until this video. I hope it doesn't lose its genuine flair and sell out. Listening to those fake "its live" videos is driving me crazy. I'll just pass away if kpop becomes a fully autotuned mess
To Tzuyu’s credit, her live at the radio station was one of the realest lives. Since you talked about filtered and heavily processed lives, I thought you would mention it. Of course she goes off pitch several times and her facial expression shows how intense of an effort it is for her but for someone who follows Twice since the beginning and who can make a difference between actually singing and relying on a backtrack, Tzuyu actually impressed me positively. She has always been in good and confident at encore stages (like actually singing her part) but she was not the most obvious member for a solo debut after Nayeon and Jihyo. So that was a good surprise.
It's real singing and I am a once and love Tzuyu, but that recording is a bit painful to listen to because of how weak a singer she is. I think her singing only a few lines per track in Twice hides it better. I hope the Twice girls take vocal lessons more seriously because I miss when they were more confident and had more impressive vocals.
Live singing in that radio was docent but its disappointing that she didnt sing once duting music shows performances.
You can hear the same backtrack all the time
*Tzuyu omg
@@sophiem8321 i dont think it was that weak and painful. The song is quite difficult to sing in my opinion (high pitch and fast paced) and it was her first time singing live an entire song by herself. Also she knows the haters were waiting for her to fail, so the nerves must have been to the max. But I agree that she’s not really solo material. It would have been better if she debuted in a sub-unit.
@@annanowak9620 agree and she kept missing the first beat. So it made it obvious that it was playback or with heavy backtrack. But overall I prefer artists to rely on the backtrack and give a pleasant show overall than something where singing is shaky because of the dance and dance is half-assed because of the singing.
I was an Ahyeon biased fan of Baemon ever since pre debut. Her voice stood out to me and she sounded good on so many song covers like Gone, Don’t know what to do and Dangerously. However, debuted Ahyeon seems too much to me. She throws the group dynamics off with her dancing and the vocals are irritating. Her normal notes sounds like yelling and the high notes seems like they’re forced for attention and not for musicality. Idk, I feel let down. Honestly, the “weaker” vocalists of Baemon are much more appealing than the “once in a generation, best of 5th gen” Ahyeon.
The Lsrfm “vocal improvement” was laughable. I love how he demonstrated how easy it is for anyone to sing the “da da duh da” bit. It is barely vocally demanding.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 bruh what ?! 😭 Asa is best rapper of the group , asa is legit lowT2 , wheras ahyeon is midT6 , for ahyeon to reach Asa's level in rap , she needs atleast 5-7 yrs ..acc to skillset, technique, Asa is better..
‘Crazy was chosen intentionally to reduce the hate that they got after coachella’. Mate, the comeback was prepared ages ago.
You're a very delusional fan.@@BP_blnk_Core_4
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 this what this page talks about. Yall are overhyping her rather than facing the problem. You just prove the point of this vid
Omg im so happy u called out some of the vocal coaches for over praising. A while ago i commented on ahyeons belt on the kstarnextdoor video and how it was just not healthy and how it over powered rora who was meant to be the lead vocal in that part. They brushed it off as harmonising, 💀 that i know nothing and then they bring up vocal coaches reaction...
As a singer to be lectured by kids on how to sing is genuinely the most insulting thing ever.
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Tf? U don't have any arguments, so u start harrasing people on a personal level. Get a life@sanyk-t6c
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it was an unrehearsed video so the harmonisation was not perfect which is I think what you call overpowering but if u listen to many kpop songs, the high notes always overpower the final chorus. Even in studio versions and more so in live concert stages, so Ahyeon being focused for that was only right since Rora’s part was already focused on alone the previous times coz it provides more variety to the song. it’s very commonly used structure. But since it was unrehearsed, they could not properly harmonise
@@rose.tte_c first off all while I cant be 100% certain I am mostly positive that the part is actually rehearsed. It is very difficult to go up a key like this with the progression of the song without hearing/doing it before hand. Second that wasn't a harmony... the mention of harmony was a way of me mocking the people who thought it was. A harmony is meant to blend under the main vocal, what ahyeon did was a bad ad lib, and when I say bad, I mean bad...
She is a very promising vocalist with alot of potential however if she keeps using her voice like that she will permanently damage it, and I know as a singer there is nothing worse then losing your instrument.
Finally roras part wasn't focused on before becouse her last part was a beautifully supported belt with lovely vibrato (a key higher then the previous) that i would have liked to hear without the overpowering strained pitchy high belt from ahyeon.
Honestly a mistake is a mistake, what concerns me more is that ahyeon dosent know when to hold back. Whether it's her part or someone else's, she always does some very heigh unhealthy party trick note that fans always die over even though it's killing her voice and her progression as a singer.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be extra becouse i love me a singer who's extra and loves what they do, however this isn't the way to do it.
Yep you are completely right. But in this fandom if you say anything about ahyeon they claim you as a hater . Fans think that high notes mean best vocalist which is totally wrong though rora is not my bias but rora is definitely technically second best vocalist of group with best technique after rami. Belting is not unhealthy if you have good technique and so far only rami in the group has healthy technique for belting. Listened to love in my heart her belting was so natural probably one of the most healthy technique . I've seen ahyeon stans saying that she is main vocalist of group cuz she hits high notes and uderrmining rami and rora. Rami can belt but I've seen she picks and choose very carefully she knows what's good for longer run in her career. and people think that she can't. But some people are blinded by hype of high notes.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@BP_blnk_Core_4 does ahyeon write and produce music regularly?
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 tell me one thing r u rami hater or toxic ahyeon solo stan ? Cuz you've spammed this same comment many times . And no ahyeon is not better than rami in vocals dance. Only thing is rap and what did you say ahyeon rap is much clear and fast than asa ruka!? Because of stans like you ahyeon gets hate. Shame on you.
I really like how Ain't No Other fan isn't scared to voice his educated opinions, unlike Katrinka and Waleska Herrera who don't dare criticise any group, even more so Babymonster, Twice, Red velvet or Blackpink. K-pop fans that care about actual facts should be glad your channel exists, even if I sometimes don't agree with you in some of the analyses or definitions you've made in the past.
i mean to be fair any time katrinka does give constructive criticism the fans of that idol come flooding in and being mad at her
He can give his critical opinion, but to call out fandoms just shows his bias... because then we need to ask if his really being fair in his judgement or just an anti.
I think its more comfortable to say these type of opinions when u don't show your face , some kpop fans are brutal when they "fight back" criticism
@@samanthamay9779 wdym?
@@nnnn-sc2im he should've said,,, LSF did not improve that much and explain why he's say that... instead fearnots this or that... because then he needs to open up all his points with 'fanfom name and his opinion ' why did he only fo it with LSF.
I don't watch the sugary musical reactions of American bloggers, of which 99 percent consists of such content, but I respect your channel very much for its constructiveness and honesty. I wish there were more of them.
That's why I love koko3op
I second the motion. He's very sensitive and mindful of the words he uses to express his perspectives on various matters concerning vocals.
@@muvani. thats trash channel
i need mamamoo on tiny desk so baddddd i hate that they edited their killing voice like... theyre mamamoo. they dont need it.
NMIXXs weakest vocalist being able to do whistle notes truly just shows their talent and vocal prowess
11:25 I was wondering why you were one of the rare English Chanels I can understand without subtitle (I'm a non-native English speaker) and it makes sens now 😂 Native English speakers think everyone can understand them so they don't care about their pronunciation or speed, but you do. Thank you for articulating and taking you time, it's very pleasant to listen to your videos.
Same sister, same❤
I’m a native speaker, and I also have such a hard time understanding my fellow native English speakers, at least on TH-cam. People in real life are easier to understand, maybe it’s body language or that they aren’t reading off a script so they’re slower and take more pauses.
Same😂
Same lol 😂
Bruh Bae is so talented. Nmixx just keep outdoing themselves.
Ahyeon is screaming to hit her notes. She's going to damage her vocal chords doing that. She needs to learn how to reach her notes in a safe manner.
Ahyeon seems to be a belter (I am not a trained vocalist nor teacher. I am just a band and orchestra geek who grew up singing gospel, lol). But, i am not a teacher, so i am not sure about that.
Ahyeon needs to learn how to gradually reach her notes.
Practicing her scales and dynamics will help. Doing sliding scales is a great way to help. You're basically slurring through your notes, while going up a half or whole step. As You're moving into your trouble zones, you have to engage your core, fill your lungs, support your diaphragm, and relax your throat and body to reach those tones.
With sliding scales, you also work on dynamics. Starting off in a decrescendo, sliding down into pianissimo, then gradually increasing the volume to fortissimo. While you're doing this, you should not be screaming. The only thing you're doing differently is projecting. To project and scream has a different approach.
To scream requires tight muscles. To project requires agility, strength, and precision. As you get softer and louder our voices will lose their strength.
That's why practicing softer tones and bolder louder tones are important. They are the dynamics within a piece. It is apart of ear training also..
Practicing your scales with a piano or string instrument is important for ear training. Tuning your notes. Practicing dynamics and different tongue postures is important to adding color to a piece. It's what helped convey a story.
Harmonies and melodies can be practiced by playing with chords while practicing your scales. It's definitely a group project.
Here's something people don't know. You can teach people how to sing and play an instrument. But you can't teach character. You can't teach color. You can't teach soul. You can't teach people a craft.
Each one of these activities requires experience.
These are all technical issues that can be fized with practice.
I respect your opinion and ahyeon have so much potential she 17yrs old but I think yg keep push her and I'm afraid her voice got damge specially upcoming world tour, and there something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg gave it, Yg should not overwork her and same with other member too
nmixx is the standard ❤
Well said. So many K-pop fans throw around vocal terminology as ammunition for arguments, yet often can't even properly differentiate what’s right from what’s wrong.
i hate when people make fun when you do mistake in a foreign language and those people who make fun speak only one language.
i notice that especially when you argue with people and they are wrong and don't have any arguments.
i face people in kpop community like that make fun of the conjugaison mistakes that i could do.
those people don't respond me anymore when i tell them that english is the 3rd language that speak and i'm more fluent in Arabic (native language) and in French
Like... how many languages do you speak? Answer quickly.... They need to stop coming for people who at least try.
@hederlisa like i said it's mostly people who speak only one language who do that because they don't know how hard is to learn a foreign language especially when this language is totaly different from your native language.
While I have absolutely no issue with mistakes while SPEAKING a second language, the lyricists at big companies do kinda bug me. They have time and resources to get it right.
Agreed. It's so ironic when people who only know and speak one language judge, criticise and mock others for not perfectly speaking in another language and making mistakes, especially when said language is completely different from their native tongue smh.
It's even more ironic coming from Kpop fans who don't understand Korean at all and yet make fun of idols for their English, even more so when said idols often also know Japanese, Mandarin Chinese and other languages on top of Korean and English.
Bae has a good and unique vocal, the best vocal order of the nmixx members is 1. Lily 2. Oh Haewon 3. Sullyoon 4. Kyujin 5. Jiwoo 6. Bae, if in another group Bae could be the main vocalist.
Thank you! As a Monstiez, I do not appreciate the use of Ahyeon too (she has a pleasant head voice but they make her belt lot of the times), but it’s not possible to talk to the other fans about it because you are immediately labeled as hater
No, I think Ayheon is talented and have a great voice, I just do not appreciate the high notes of people with bright voice being pushed on the public, because to me it sound unpleasant, like a glorified scream.
Rora is so underrated
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 Rap: Asa > Ruka > Ahyeon > Rami > Others
Vocal: Rami > Rora > Ahyeon > Chiquita > Pharita > Asa > Ruka
Dance: Ruka > Asa > Rami > Chiquita/Ahyeon > Rora > Pharita
Well, Ahyeon is an allrounder, but she ISN'T better than Rami in vocals or Asa (or even Ruka) in rap.
YG needs to let Ahyeon take a break from high notes and let her develop and train her voice. For one, her high notes spund strained and shrill and two, her vocal chords are just going to get damaged. Companies need to stop forcing artists to do things out of their range and train them properly, thats not just a YG problem btw.
Fact: recognizing your flaws and weaknesses will only make you a better vocalist.
This is one if the reasons why NMIXX have never been stagnant. They're not perfect, they know what they need to work on, and continuously do so. This applies to fans! If fans continue to put their idols on the highest pedestal and push the "make believe" idea that they're practically perfect and untouchable will only lead to unrealistic expectations, and eventually folly.
For JYPE regressed vocals, I blame them not giving their idols time to improve and just go straight comeback back to back. I dont even think many of them have weeks of vacation, since after one comeback, they have tours, showcases, sign, many events and the cycle continue. With so many schedules and comebacks, I dont think they even have the time to hit lesson other than the necessary for comeback songs.
That an I also blame them giving them songs out of their range
i agree with the jyp part, especially about jihyo, looking at her just EATING b4's for breakfest around debut almost makes me sad. i DO lowkey feel like shes re entering a new peak tho!! her solo mightve not topped the charts but it did really great things to her voice
NMIXX is just talented ❤
As someone who loves a soulful alto voice, I'm getting kind of frustrated with k-pop's seeming obsession with high notes. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good high note as much as the next gal, but it feels like a lot of singers are being pushed to hit a note that is either out of their range or they don't have the technique to hit yet. There are a lot of amazing singers who can't hit those super high notes and that doesn't diminish their talent or skill at all!
Also, not exactly what you are talking about, but I don't understand why people get so hung up about cringey English lyrics in k-pop. A lot of those lyrics are not written or sung by native English speakers, so give them a little bit of a break (and it is not like native English singers and songwriters don't have any awkward lyrics in their songs). And then as soon as k-pop idols start putting more focus on English lyrics, the same fans complain!
Opinion number 2 had me gagging. Lol
I have absolutely no faith in Sakura, Eunchae and Kazuha. This is a group that was rushed to debut in 6 months. Kazuha NEVER sang before that. Sakura will never be able to sing because thats just not her talent and Eunchae needs serious serious training. Yunjin and Chaewon are fine.
I think Lesserafim could improve their vocals is like they performances would sound good but that is up to HYBE sadly
Yunjin is a seasonal performer sometimes she excels sometimes she cant hold a single note. But chaewon is carrying lsf. I agree with you
yeah coming from a person only watch clips
Real, I solo Stan Yunjin but to be real she’s not a great singer either LSRF makes unique enough music to hold it in the industry but they are pretty tone deaf and can’t really sing.
this is so funny cuz kazuha can acutally sing now, she has improved a crazy amount and u can clearly see that in their behind recording for their song "crazier" , kazuha shocked me because she has an amazing singing tone (calm/soothing voice) pls listen to it, i felt so proud of her after hearing her sing. She can really sing amazing. Chaewon and yunjin can sing and have always been able too, eunchae cant sing, sakura can sing well but she needs vocal training on how to be more stable while dancing. I blame HYBE for the most part, cuz le sserafim always gets extremely hard choreos and that makes it near impossible for them to sound good because HYBE doesn't even provide proper vocal training .
Rora deserves the attention! The lines ! She is better than < hype> members in vocal .
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 EX BLINK ?
Bro is in all comments talking shit about rami...threatened much from rami's talent?@BP_blnk_Core_4
@@freejfjkxvfhkkjxjust a troll
Ahyeon has potential but like Jennie she will never reach it because YG will never give her decent vocal lessons. Her tone is so metalic it actually hurts to hear her high notes. Rami and Rora are the undisputed main vocalists of baemon and who I'm always most looking forward in any comebacks of the group.o
Jennie and ahyeon are very different Jennie’s rapper,ahyeon’s vocalist
I don’t think enough fans understand that developing vocal technique is very similar to any other muscle group. It’s going to take at least 3-4 months of consistent training to see a noticeable difference. Not just consistent, but EFFECTIVE. Even then, it’s not like you’re going to go from Yeri to Wendy in that time frame.
Bringing up my favorite two examples, we have Seungmin and I.N. Seungmin’s vocal growth started being noticeable around 2021 after he’d taken up the position of main vocalist for over a year. I.N’s growth was more noticeable in 2022/2023. It takes such a long period of time to see the difference between their current vocal technique and where they started in 2017/2018.
Obviously, there are exemptions from the rule. If someone’s a great vocalist but they aren’t doing well health-wise (sickness, nervousness, injury, etc.), then they’re going to be able “improve” quickly. But more often than not, fans will be aware of an idol’s health. And plenty of idols are more able to demonstrate their vocal abilities more as their group’s composition changes and/or their company gives them more opportunities to show off their vocals. Look at Giselle and Bahiyyih. They’ve been slowly getting more lines in the choruses of their songs because their companies trust them more to carry those parts.
But yeah, TLDR: If you think an idol has made a massive improvement in their vocals within a short period of time (less than a year), there’s probably a different explanation for why they seem to be doing better.
Rami is such a talent, i rarely hear a voice like hers in kpop, so rich full and her vocal AGILITY y'all 😆there's a timbre her voice takes on thats so pleasant to the ears. Rora is an absolute vocal star as well, her vibrato is so clean
whenever Twice is brought up, my first reaction is always to get defensive because I’ve been a ONCE for so long, so it pains me to have to agree that their regressing vocally, especially Jihyo. I love them so much but I think the rigorous schedule JYP puts them on has effected the quality of their music and their vocals
I feel Momo, Sana and maybe Chaeyoung improved a little, also Nayeon for sure. But the rest regressed and that's really concerning
@@Vichencio23 I agree on Momo and Sana and despite what he said, I'd add Tzuyu to the list. I think they simply got more experience thanks to the tour they had and subunit/solo activities. The others sounded better in the past.
Jihyo is not regressing in any way
Jihyo's voice in the Killing Voice performance video was actually ear grating like I don't know why she started singing with her nose but it does not sound good & the only reason I'm saying this is because i KNOW she can sound good for a fact.
I feel like Jihyo's technique changed for the worse. She became more nasal and breathy over the years and I think JYP is to blame for it. Jihyo talked about how she was always criticized for not fitting the group's sound. It's sad to see that she changed her decent approach to singing into a less healthy manner. I don't think it's a lost cause cos there are times when she ditches the nasal sound in live performances and sounds great (i.e Doughnut high note). I hope she goes back to her roots and focuses on healthy singing instead of stylistic choices🙏
Man thank you so much everything you say about babymonster was real for me
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 who ask?
I've noticed the english hate a lot for soyeon too, people were genuinely calling her a BAD RAPPER because she added english words to her raps (eg:tomboy) and they didn't necessarily make 100% sense. I'm sorry, but YOU try rapping, not just speaking, in a completely different language with a completely different script and hey, words were cut to make the raps go with the flow which is quite normal in american hip hop
Honestly, these kinds of people REEK of xenophobia
I would disagree. Giving an interview and writing a rap are two different things. One requires improvement over time and the other is something that has the time to improve. Soyeon can write to rap and get help from some who hopefully speaks English and Korean to help the verse make sense. If someone were to make an English song with random Korean words out of context, we would make fun of that person. Instead to supporting Soyeon, she needs the Criticism, not bashing, to do better when it comes to incorporating English in her songs.
@jimmycroni The thing is, soyeon's doing just fine as far as English lyrics go
There was that one full tomboy rap which made half sense, but otherwise the English lyrics since then have always been quite fine. The main idea was to make them sound punchy like pretty much all releases from tomboy onwards.
I would say the only thing is that the pronunciation sometimes goes too far in the punchy direction ( the 'cause got a superpower sounds more like girl's got a superpower in super lady)
@@jimmycronithat’s the point soyeon used short cuts for a reason she knows she can get help for English lyrics but she doesn’t because she knows how she wants HER GROUP songs to be
@@jimmycroniNah, because she's using English incorrectly on purpose. Half of her lyrics are satirical. Also, take into consideration that the only reason why Kpop groups use Eglish in their lyrics is American imperialism. A Korean artist speaking or singing in broken Korean is absolutely not the same as an English speaker writing a song in broke Korean.
Bae NMIXX is on the NEXT LEVEL, yeah 💃
I feel like Jeongyeon not being utilized led to her regression in her vocals. It's truly sad.
I feel that too. I also feel she's more insecure with her vocals, and uses a different technique that is not helping in my opinion.
@Vichencio23 that's truly sad 😭
I think the real regression happened after her hiatus, the lack of practice and going on stage etc. had a tool on her skills.
i think the hiatus took the greatest effect on her. Very long time of lack of training, practise and not performing for so long. Not hating, I’m glad she took time off for her health. I’m just saying it’s probably what led to her regression. As a person who used to take singing lessons and was in choir for seven years, my technique deteriorated when I stopped training for like 3 months coz I had dengue and it weakened me and i took a break. It certainly took longer than that to get back to my old skill (around 6 months to see a diff)
hot take: jeongyeon hasnt regressed. she sounds the same as she did since debut and ive stanned twice since 2015
I greatly appreciate your respectful approach to constructive criticism. I have become a great fan of NMIXX and their powerful vocals. Finally, no one deserves criticism about speaking in a foreign language. I am native English and speak Russian reasonably well. Their are many native speakers who do speak their own language well.
people think having flaws in their vocals techniques automatically means they are bad vocalist which is not true...people can have flaws, and the GREATEST VOCALISTS of this world are usually made from learning their mistakes and improving
nobody is born perfect, and we often forget that to apply that with the vocalists
People think Babymonster has amazing vocals bc they're comparing them to Blackpink, which has very mediocre vocals. There, I said it.
You guys are so obsessed with bp💆♀️just forget them its easy
Girl what does bp have to do with it?
Vocal improvement takes time , it takes longer for a person to improve vocally than dance in kpop. We've seen so many idol improvement in dance quite many times in kpop space but vocal wise that is quite rare.
People should stop obsessing over belts and hitting high notes becuase it does not make a person a good vocalist. It's all about the right use of vocal technique withought damaging your instrument. If you notice mamamoo, made up of 4 main vocalists, their recent releases like Aya & Illella are mostly mid to low range songs. Instead of the high notes, they experimented on the low, more techincal way of singing and the belter of the group, Solar even said that songs like these are more difficult to do.
I genuinely cringe every time I hear or see Ahyeon. Everything she does is too much. She has no control of her vocals or her over the top stage facial expressions….
As a Fan of Baemon. I agree. I love them so much, like they are my own babies( lol) But i hate when people overpraising Aheyon. She can sing. She sings well, but she needs to learn( i agree she will, because she so Young ) But when people saying : Oh she the Best. and stuff. Like you putting the target on Her for others people hate( sorry for english, but i hope you ll understand).Because of her high notes, people thing that she doesnt belong in the group and overall bad vocalist and idol. I genuine wonder if YG dont see that issue, more over, he is using her high notes( in the bridge of DRIP), which are not that good. Im concern if that technic healfthy and not will her hurt her.
Let them just be and see what we will get next.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 u joking, right ?
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 If you are not joking, then you must be very young to think straight, or u just delusional
If we don't appreciate the idols for what they already have... They will not improve at all , they will start thinking that no matter how much u improve fans will always have some problem. This is why companies do not care about vocal bcz people will never be satisfied.
Ahyeon has good stage presence,sings live perfectly.
Try appreciating the good talent of idols instead of just bashing them for the things that they don't have.
Hope u understood
@manogaming6534 you are so wrong. It s not about fans, it's about healthy and good technique, Ahyeon doesn't sing perfectly that s the point. Did you ever read my comment ? I said she is a good vocalist, but she needs to learn. You need to improve not for someone but for yourself. But some fans are even worse then haters. Some fans just so blind and will praise idol for literally the smallest thing. And it s not the right way do to things.
Hope you understand
If I recall correctly, I believe Woojin stuck with his old vocal coach from SME while he was in Stray Kids for lessons. And I think he recommended them to Seungmin, who would also go outside of the company for vocal training (followed by I.N).
In Twice’s case, I think Tzuyu and Momo have become more stable as vocalists. They can handle singing and moving at the same time. But in terms of actually singing with proper technique, I have no idea what’s happened to Twice.
Fortunately, Lia sounds stronger during “Gold” era than she was during “Cheshire” and even “Cake”. I think her recovery period did her a world of good.
But yeah, NMIXX is really carrying the majority of JYPE vocals (which sucks because the other groups have so much potential).
For me, talking about vocals, there's yet to be another group like mamamoo. What's great about mamamoo is that mamamoo as a group is a different artist than the individual members and it's like having five different vocally strong and unique artist. None of each members solo have the complete mamamoo feel, but doesn't mean they are losing either. The other music group I have the same feeling is Kalafina, and they are not even KPOP and have totally different music. But how it plays out related to the vocal of being in groups and in solo, totally the same. Idk how to express this statement better.
I’m glad you talked about Twice because they’re my ult group and I’m just devastated because JYp just keeps making them comeback without them having time to train their vocals. Every single member has a clear distinct voice that can reach potential if proper training given, NMIXX has multiple vocal coaches so why couldn’t Twice be given the same treatment ? Let’s be real they were never a vocally strong oriented group to begin with but I was hoping they’d keep the same stability they used to have during Sixteen / early Twice days. The company wasted their talent and it truly saddens me that I can’t do anything to help with that especially since Jeongyeon is my bias since I started getting into Kpop and most of my kpop biases are so because of their voice…
I don't understand why people find whistle notes so amazing, they instantly label singers that have a whistle register as better vocalists just because of that. For example, I found someone claiming that, since Bae had whistle register, she was now the best vocalist in NMIXX. I'd much rather listen to the sixth octave head-voices like Jane Zhang's than a basic whistle note without personality or purpose. Also, thank god you talked about Baemon I was taking permanent brain damage explaining to the fandom why people should be worried about Ahyeon performing that highnote every time. They also thought it was a 3-octave high note for some reason.
probably cos of Mariah since she has it and she's so amazing. Well and maybe Ariana too.
But I've never seen anyone say that Bae is the best vocalist in Nmixx.
@@xMeikax I listen to Mariah Emotions, Without You and Hero live performances on the daily but her whistle register was never the cause why I loved her so much. There are many singers with great whistle registers and I don't care for any of them, maybe I am just retarded (yes) and weird.
The Bae thing was said when I actually found a Bae stan that I debated with in one of NMIXX's encore win performances.
one person who is a bae Stan claiming Bae is the now the best isn't a big issue lol as a Bae stan myself, her new found whistle register doesn't put her above the vocal trio monsters. I don't like whistle notes either but its just another "weapon" that theyve added to their arsenal as a group that they can play around with moving forward.
@@Legacy_2109But TheFact: i never seen Nswer say bae is the vocalist in Nmixx.. Are you try to make Bae got hate???
Hey, have you seen Nmixx's see that promotion week 3 or 4, they all (unless Sullyoon) try to reach Bae whistle note. I remember Bae, Haewon and Kyujin reach it, Jiwoo was near the good pitch and Lily wasn't able to reach high as other girls, but she still have the highest pitch in her group and in 4gen.😊
I'm not a coach but others have said whistle notes are not higher, you can have a low voice and still do them if you train. They're in a different register
@moongirl8807 Yess, and Bae is the perfect exemple, she got the lowest voice in her group but she's the one who do whistle note the best.
@L0uwon_frko hehe he literally said it in the video. Oops but yeah we agree here🙈
I watched a video a few years ago of Luna from F(x) hitting whistle notes too. Sad to see a vocal legend like her not being talked about as much anymore
I want to see Rora has more noticeable lines, because all kpop fans see are belts and highnotes.
I know Ahyeon has a huge talent and will keep improving. But Rora who already has good techniques is pushed back in the group and even started be known as weak. Yes she can't hit that high, but she has so many strong sides and all YG does now is highlighting Rami and Ahyeon vocally, when they have Rora too. Just give Rora long beautiful belt and she finally will be recognized by kpop fans. But Rora in Lee Mujin service would be the best YG's decision for her.
i completely agree with what you said about babymonster
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
@@BP_blnk_Core_4what are you talking about? She’s not an ace. She doesn’t write her own songs. Besides Asa raps better than ahyeon. You’re talking bs
@@user-riahmesphere ignore her she not a fan
@@BP_blnk_Core_4 .....
high notes do not = better vocalist
rapping fat does not= rapping better
there is certain technique and style.
@@sofiahaque7990 💯
Jype idols since Twice to Itzy is not vocal focused. Itzy is performance based. Twice is cutesy and Jype invested them as performance group. They only realised they need a group with strong vocals when both groups were criticized harshly. Thats the time when JYPE started to change their group standards and invested more vocals. Twice and Itzy dont get enough rest and seems like they focus more in dancing esp Twice as they never tried doing performance videos where they sing live during a comeback like Itzy and Nmixx. But what I still like about JYPE is they learn, since Niziu, their groups are now being vocally trained and the best product is Nmixx. Nmixx has become the new prototype of JYPE as it is a complete all rounder group.
3:25 is actually spot on. No shade to the other members, but I think Rora sets a strong example for her groupmates. There are moments when Ahyeon and Pharita could have used better control on high notes, though they still shine vocally in the mid-range. Rami shows excellent vocal technique, and Chiquita is already close to the level of top vocalists in girl groups. I appreciate all the members, including Asa and Ruka, who also have distinctive singing styles.
The main takeaway here is that Rora stands out for her stability, technique, control, and ability to deliver a satisfying vibrato-something the others can look up to as they continue to grow. The group consistently steps up with every comeback, and I believe in their potential.
Ahyeon is yg's next jennie, but they are taking it too far. I couldnt listen to stuck in the middle ot7 bcs she isnt able to sing softly. This is all because they dont care about her, but money and they know fans will eat her yelling up. What they dont realize is that shes most probably gonna damage her voice and will never sing again. They should also give more space to rora, shes really underappreciated even within the fandom
+ question: Can haram from baemon sing in whistle register? Im not sure but im pretty sure she can (i. e. christmas without you, love maybe)
Jennie and ahyeon are very different jennie is rapper ahyeon is vocalist
@jennifferss i meant that theyre given unjustifiably more lines than other members
@@tp5510 jennie has two most important positions in her group also shes center that’s why she gets most lines it’s fair👍🏻shes main rapper lead vocalist and center
The Center
A certain member is place in the middle of the group during promotion, photo shoots, video shoots, etc..because of their good look, dancing talents, their popularity, the one who get fans attention.
The Face of The Group
A member who brings attention to the group, the popular members,
So who the center and face of BP? From my understanding from this two description it doesn’t seem to be Jennie, except for Jennie fans.
Jisoo visuals/vocal
Jennie rap/vocal
Rosé vocal/dance
Lisa dance/rap/sub vocal
@ jennie was called center in articles since her debut it’s not for only Jensetters💋you can search it👍🏻
The problem in kpop is when grup comeback they will going around to sing on music show, sing for 3-4 times for a day. so unhealty highnote will be big big problem
Chiquita is also an underrated vocalist in baemon!! Her technique is good too!
Yeah but I think sometimes she is less comfident but i hope well she is so good vocal dance and stage presence
Given her age, she might actually be the one with the highest ceiling.
Actually everyone in babymonster is vocally talented but these kpoopies will never acknowledge that bcz they don't want babymonster to become more popular than their favs.
@@manogaming6534 i saw if you don’t like the group was fine skip kpop fans they bullying and scary talented
Chiquita is appreciate a lot by fans. Even Asa is appreciated. But Rora definitely deserve much more recognition.
It's true high notes and whistle notes aren't what make up a good vocalist, and one person who made me realize that was SEUNGMIN from Straykids, he will forever be my favorite male vocalist, I love his voice very much and he doesn't hit high notes that much, and you can feel his dedication. Also ROSÉ, I love both of 'em. Sorry if this is off topic.
YES!!! CALL THEM OUT!!! Lisa is Thai. That’s her native language. She learned both English AND Korean! Let’s see those people who criticize her linguistic abilities speak a non-native language with nearly the same proficiency as her! Seriously, the monolingual pride fueled xenophobia against non-native speakers is so disgusting.
I just really want YG to stop setting up Ahyeon and ruining her Vocal chords with the way she sings the high notes in the present it's gonna ruin her voice in the long run.
You have a point even me afraid she will damge her voice but yg always push her and something I notice The more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it
If they improve alot they vocal they can be one of the bets vocal rami rora ahyeon chaqita they just under 18 imagine efter 7-10 years
Kpop or any other genre, overrated high note singing is annoying 😂
I honestly agree with every point u said. This feels like a safe space to discuss. If someone says this outside they're done fr 💀
4:15 Yep. Hear you loud and clear. And this is why pandering to the viewers and fans is not what I want to see because of course, it makes the critique inaccurate. And thus why I and many others are here.
ahyeon is better than rami in vocal rap dance and visual no hate to rami but still ahyeon rap so much she is fast and clear more than asa and ruka so she easily beats rami and high notes of ahyeon goes viral more than anyone else part in the group so its clear ahyeon is the queen ace and allrounder of Babymonster rami is good too but not ahyeon level
The high notes in Babymon’s song felt unnecessary-they didn’t need to go that high, and it honestly ruined the vibe. Now, I think I get why there’s so much criticism of Ahyeon. It seems like YG is pushing really hard to make her into this ‘all-rounder,’ but, to be honest, she isn’t quite there yet. Sure, she can dance, but she’s not the best of the best. People expect an all-rounder to excel in everything, and when she doesn’t meet those expectations, it feels more like disappointment than actual hate. Also, having such a young fan base isn’t helping, since they’re less likely to give her constructive feedback. I just hope her fans will recognize and support her genuine strengths rather than overhyping everything.
@@IzyLia I think Ahyeon’s solo stans are all teenagers or aren’t older than early 20’s. Someone so young can’t really give constructive criticism. They only see that Ahyeon hit a high note and how she do that, healthy or unhealthy, doesn’t matter, right
Even though Rami is my main bias, i like all the girls but i feel they forced high notes so much, the high note in their new song (imo) it can be erased
Seriously, unnecessary high notes like; bruh
3:04 thank you for saying this!!! high =/= skilled, it just equals a high vocal range
Rora's vocals sound more mature. Ahyeon's singing style is concerning, as it doesn't sound healthy; it makes me feel like she'll have a sore throat afterwards.
1.Ahyeon is a great vocalist, but in 'Drip' I don't think the high note she has suits her, I would say it'll be better if Chiquita, or Rora had that high note. BUT AHYEON STILL ATE!
2. Staining voices is mainly the reason why, we don't know what they do off screen, but they can be straining their voices.(JYP ONE)
None of their ranges are as high, thats why they arent chosen to belt those out even tho their technique is better, dont be dense
neither chiquita nor rora can hit notes that high. only rami is remotely capable of hitting healthy high notes but even she's not there yet
chiquita cant hit that note ...rora and rami on other hand would have done a far better job than ahyeon and ahyeon doesnt have the widest range her voice is just loud which she cant control at all
You guys just say anything. Rora & Chiquita can’t do that.
@@rosiejenOnce again people undervaluing Rora. I’m sure she could
Your opinion is always thoughtful and appreciated. Anyway, I’m not trying to call out any specific group or company here-just sharing my humble thoughts. K-pop is obviously a business, and yes, individual artists are seen as products with instant marketable value by their companies. But instead of focusing solely on the immediate commercial side, it would be great to see more opportunities for real growth and training so they can evolve into genuine artists in the long run. While I understand their autonomy is somewhat limited, it’d be amazing if the artists themselves keep pushing to grow beyond what the company provides. Best wishes to all these talented individuals.
I have always liked this channel for the accuracy of its opinions. Never really disagree with every video you share so far.
People that make fun of others for mispronouncing words in other languages are too stupid to learn more than one themselves.
Babymonster fans are repeating whatever shit Blackpink fans did ( being a solo stan and hating other members ) I really really love Babymonster the way I loved Blackpink ( yes I LOVED blackpink but they are useless as a group , as soloist they are alright ) I hope Babymonster doesn't disappoint me even though their fandom will and I know that very well
So Its ahyeon who can hit the highest notes in the group..But she hasn't learned how to control her voice properly..(she will learn) then rora and rami are the most stable and controlled Vocalists..So we can say ahyeon is the weapon but..She really needs to work more!! And we all support her..
i am pretty sure rami and rora can hit those notes better than ahyeon and ahyeon is not hittings those notes at all she is juts shouting or screaming
@@garimasuhani7227I respect your opinion but the more criticized or hate ahyeon get the more yg will gave it, she got all highnotes, harmonizing, adlibs along with rami since babymons7er album until now drip album ahyeon have so much potential the problem is yg keep push her overwork I love so much this group all of them I been supporting this girls since evaluation I don't want one of the member unhealthy or hurt, and there World tour is coming imagine hitting those 3 octv and hit drip dance fast in stage, I hope yg will not repeat this gen
Always here to learn something new about vocal technique. Tnakz!
I just have two things to say: I agree with everything and thanks for sharing much needed to hear opinions.
Ahyeon is screaming girl… rora and rami are better vocalists they need to stop pushing her and let rora sing.
YG Ahyeon baised she gets the most to shine like Rami also have nice vocals give her a chance and poor rora always gets less line
Finally someone talks about Ahyeon, she’s not the worst vocalist, far from that but I absolutely cannot stand/listen to her high notes I just feel like she’s screaming in her mic. And netizen have a hard time understanding that, I am not hating on her she’s very talented but you cannot tell me it’s audibly pleasing to have her scream like that. And the problem is the company doesn’t seem to care so each concert she’ll fry her vocal cords and what will it be in 2 years?
Great video!!! I was nodding my head the whole way through lolllll
Maybe I'm the only one who think ahyeon vocal tone is not that pleasant to hear 😢
@@Nunanuna-o8e trust me, you aren’t the only one
People who have learned music feels the same. Ahyeon is so young & she is very talented but I guess they are lacking vocal skills. That's not their fault though, their company should look over the matter. Fans think hitting high notes is good singing. No matter how much popularity an idol gains....training must not stop.
@@mayu199SVT Fans don’t only say that hitting high notes means being a good vocalist. They also go as far as saying they are or should be a main vocalist material. Well, fans seem to think that as long as you hit impressively high notes, you are a main vocalist.
This is one of the best videos ever monsteize need to realise that bm still needs improvement and they are not proffesional singgers they some times sound off especially ahyeon no hate towards her also kiss of life is good but belle wistle notes arent always wistle notes it funny cause only nimxx and fromis usally include it in there song and hybe group normally get hate for vocals they dont have the best vocalist it true also lsf has a song in there channel were they actually sang live sing not crazy it was written by yunjin it really good tho
And Ahyeon fans want only Ahyeon to get all attention if you say anything against they will hate you
Monstiz are solo baised and toxic
For me they got all my attention I been supporting this girls since evaluation, the only problem here is yg keep pushing overwork ahyeon this girl have so much potential and only 17yrs old in press conference ahyeon say yg ask her to do highnotes and yg suggest make it do one hotes higher which 3 octv and there upcoming world tour I'm afraid she will damge her voice imagine hit that high and proceed drip fast dance even some youtuber reactor say she overwork yg should take care of this girls they are babies
@Karlzk-il5vt true YG is making push herself
And I love the all and support them but if i praise others Ahyeon fans attacks me always 😭
And they can't believe she screams. Tbh in dance sometimes she over does and now she is not giving energy is drip when others are giving their full energy she is being childish of nothing. Her fans says she is it but i disagree getting hate ≠ it girl. She has not done anything yet to be the it
I love Ahyeon,she has swag and talent but i am not a fan of her high notes. It's just a pain to ears when you come to enjoy music thats why i say that Rami should handle the high notes in babymonster. Even Ahyeon should do high notes but little less.
And i had a question can rami do Whistle note??😅
ahyeon is screaming lmao
Babymon's songs are just not good enough. The girls are fine but too young for their image. Why sell sex when you have 14 and 15 year olds?
Thank God somebody has the same opinion as me , apart from Asa and Ruka everyone else's sexy attitude looks forced tbh , also 4 of them are minors so I don't get the point of them twerking every now and then
People called BADVILLAIN a ripoff but it works so much better bc they're all over 18, one is even my age (and I'm old haha). They got an attitude that you can't teach 14 year olds. They aren't even half through puberty like why are they singing about their wealth etc?
Yes. No group with members who are predominantly minors should have a ‘fierce’ concept. This is why aespa, bp, gidle, kiof & badvillain work. There is something almost comedic seeing 15yr olds rap about how ‘bad’ they are.
@@amethyst034 lol and don't get me started about the money obsessed in-debt teens it's just jarring to say the least
I think its a bit ingenuine on your part to say fearnots are praising le sserafim only for crazy. Recently they did various University festivals, and they have definitely improved. No one is saying they are Mariah Carey level of singers, but they are now definitely more stable.
Just compare their coachella antifragile performance- th-cam.com/video/WPNOUOh2-VY/w-d-xo.html
and their university festival antifragile performance- th-cam.com/video/UtVqmzl95rU/w-d-xo.html
The difference is there whether you admit it or not.