I've been using Muc-off sealant on my gravel bike for the last year and a half and it's worked wonders for me. Small cuts to the tire which have sealed itself during rides. I definitely think it's up to tire/rim combo as well as sealant. Currently using Specialized Pathfinder Pro tires with Roval Terra CL wheels.
same with me, on the gravel bike it works fine. Have had some trouble on road tires, maybe related to the higher pressure. I slice a tire recently and found 6 or 7 holes clotted - I never really noticed I had that many holes, but it explaines the odd low pressure. So fine with me.
Run muck off on both gravel and road for 4 years, gravel it is fine. Road I think the higher tyre pressures don’t help, I have had punctures seal, and I have had them intermittently open and spray me but seal again. Switched to Schwalbe blue on road bike and no problems since, but muck off in the gravel
I've been running Stan's "regular" since 2015 in mountain bike and since 2020 in road tires (32mm, 55 psi). The only punctures that didn't seal were sidewall cuts. Be sure to check the level and condition of your sealant every month or so using a zip tie as a dip stick through the valve. If the sealant is clear, you've had a puncture at some point and all the latex has been consumed. I draw the old clear sealant out through the valve with a straw on a syringe and replace with fresh sealant.
I have been using tubeless on mountain bikes almost since the beginning and have had very good luck with Stans. It even sealed a small snakebite on the sidewall with a little help by taking the wheel off and putting the bite down so the sealant could get to it. I have also tried Orange seal. It worked but no better than Stans and cost more. There is some maintenance with sealant but I find it better than tubes which snakebite and go flat with thorns. I’ll never go back to tubes.
Great tip. I was not aware of this. I’ve never had a puncture that I’m aware of, not even with tubes. I’m sure I’ll find out soon enough though. I’m new to tubeless so I will keep an eye on this.
Same here. I been on stans for a few years also. I have puncture a few times and it has seal. I run about 75 PSI in my road bike. When I puncture I lose about 10 psi before it seals it completely. When I get home after the ride I fine the seal and plug it. On my gravel bike I have only punction once it was not able to seal it completely but enough to slow the leak to finish the ride. Plugged it once I got home. I also use a syringe to suck up the old sealant and add new sealant every 3 month
I’ve been using tubeless for over a year now. It’s a life changer. I’ve been out on rides and not realise I had a puncture until I get home. Also I have always used Muc-Off sealant and it’s never let me down. Everyone has their own unique story. I’m not here to convince anyone. Just wanted to mention that there are success stories out there!
Been using Stans for years,, got 2 puncture on the weekend,, the sealant sprayed alot on both but also sealed both up within seconds and continued riding without stopping.
I’ve using Stans sealant on my commuter road bike with 30mm tyres for 4 years but I’ve decided to give up on Stans and maybe try Orange seal. The very first tubeless pin prick puncture on the road a few years back sealed with Stans right up but that’s the last time Stans has ever sealed a hole for me without intervention. Even small holes (like a small piece of wire) doesn’t seal or does but only keeps running with low pressure. As soon as you pump it up to 70psi (which is about correct for 30mm tyres) the sealant just blows out and pressure comes right down. With Stans I find I have to plug the hole with a slug of some sort. Had to do 3 like that on the road in the last month. Stan’s seems more suited to the lower pressures of MTB. I’m hoping Orange seal will be more suitable for road.
Glad I stumbled upon this! I'm using the same wheels, tires and valves you are but I've been having trouble losing pressure non stop. I noticed you are using the square shaped rubber piece on the valve (inside the wheel) and I've been using the cone shaped one. Wondering if that makes a huge difference?
I have been using Silca for a while now and have not had any issues with pouring. As you mention, I always seat the tire empty and then pop one side open, pour the Silca sealant in and then use a tire tool to pop the tire back on, but I inflate it (without a canister, just a regular pump) before I slush it around it so only tiny amounts of sealant show up in a few places - easy to wipe at that point. Silca also sells this 'replenisher' which will go through th valve but I have found popping the tire (with a tool, not by hand) and pouring sealant easier than removing the valve core and adding the replenisher.
I have been running normal Stans, Conti and Milkit over the last 3 years and all worked very well. It's more a trade off between dry-out and sealing properties. Also some tyre manufacturers (e.g. Veloflex) specify natural or synthetic based sealants. All in all you are right that it can be pretty messy when changing tyres but at least for me the performance and puncture protection is just so much better. (I never run anything smaller than 28 on 22c rims which is more like 30mm real size, so below 5 bar for max pressure)
I have used Muc Off for a couple of years with 42mm gravel tyres and it has always sealed well. Its just a pain to get off your frame once it has dried on. I have just moved over to Silca, so too early to tell, but I'm confident it will be very good.
You can use sealant in the inner tubes too, mine is Slime and there are also protection tapes that go between the inner tube and the tyre for extra resistance.
I use muc-off sealant and have had great success with both road and gravel. I ride road up to about 70 psi and it's no problem at all. I would easily recommend it to others, especially because it's one of very few that is compatible with CO2 inflation. It is more vicious than others like Stans so I use a bit more volume of sealant. It also doesn't dry out much, smells good, eco friendly, and washes easily as long as you don't let it dry. I believe it doesn't use ammonia so it doesn't smell bad.
Interesting, I think you might be the first person I know who has had a good experience with using Muc Off. Glad to hear it's worked for someone at least
@@SpinAnGrin I’ve used multiple sealants and muc off has always been the one I’ve returned to. I use it in mtb and gravel, I would say it’s sealed all punctures and even to the point where I’ve got home and noticed a few spots on the frame and not affected the ride. It’s been great. I trust it 100% Are you using enough?
Just glad it's worked for someone. Oh yes, I have more than enough In there. I forgot to include it in the video but I have a photo from when the muc off didn't work for me. The pink sealant everywhere up the back of the bike and a flat tire 😅
I've used road tubeless and orange seal for a few years now and not had any issues, or this much drama or around my tires. I can mount my tires using a floor pump as well.
Top tip. For holes that are created by flints and bigger than thorns I use one of the petals from a stans Dart plug pushed into the hole with a sharp prodder. The stans Darts work on bigger holes but the puncture protection layer is too tough to put the dart through for the small holes. I've been using Stans sealant for 10 years and it works for me.
I've got 25mm wide tyres on a road bike, running at high pressure (9 BAR) - I looked into going tubeless so I could drop the pressure a little. Especially after picking up many punctures in a week (double digits) with P-Zero tyres and featherweight tubes, I was very keen to try tubeless. I never have tried it, but switched to a slightly thicker tyre with standard inner tubes and I don't think I've had a puncture since
I’ve been using muc-off for almost 2 years, with Panaracer Gravelking SS tires, it’s been a dream, not only has it sealed everything that has punctured my tires, but also a pretty massive burp that I didn’t even notice at the time but when I realized my pressure was a bit low and went to air up I saw where the sealant had exploded out of the bead and resealed while I rode along happily. I didn’t have to add air for months when I first set them up.
I started out with Stan’s 3-4 years on my X bike and quickly changed to Muc Off and liked it so much I went tubeless on my road bike and have had no real problems since. I did try Silca on my X bike and while it seals better than Muc off it’s just so much trouble ergo clogging up my valve stem . So I went back to Muc off as it’s sealed almost everything. And Dyna Plugs always bail me out if I’ve lost too much psi
Pardon my ignorance, but what occurs when you attempt to inflate the tire after a couple of days? As tires tend to lose pressure over time, would the sealant seal the valve when you use a pump, considering pumps typically release a small amount of air when connecting it?
I don't have the need to actually pump the tires up all the often. They hold the pressure for weeks. I've also never had a issue with the valves getting blocked 🤞
I have used Orange Seal Endurance with no issues at all for my road bike, with Schwalbe pro one, GP5000 STR and Challenge Strada Pro and Challenge Criterium RS). Yet, a week ago I purchased a Silca tubeless sealant (to try it) but after watching your video I think I will not ever use it. Especially due to the fact that the Challenge tyres are quite difficult to install on my tight rims (not to seat them after you install, but just to install them). For me, the only way to setup them tubeless is to inject the sealant through the valve, but this is impossible as you stated. Is there any other option? Thank you !
Not for the Silca no. The bits of carbon fibre will clock any Injector took or valve. I've now switched back to orange seal and Dyna plugs and it's working a treat
Sounds like you are eventually going to be like me and just give up with the whole idea of tubeless one day. I spent years trying road tubeless, many tire brands and all the sealants on the market and still when I got a puncture I was not able to continue riding my bike until I put a tube in to get me home. I spent an unimaginable amount of money, I'm sure the industry thanks me for that, but I won't spend another dime on it ever again. I now use TPU tubes which have been great. I can carry 3 tubes which take up the same space as one rubber tube so that really makes me feel better about finishing a ride and not getting stuck out on the road somewhere. No more messes for me thank you, and if you use sealant I won't ride with you because you are not getting your mess on me when you puncture.
I think for my road setup, I will end up back with TPU tubes like you mention. For gravel though, I need to stick with tubeless as I feel more confident with the lower pressure and grip.
Me and my mates all use muc-off never had a problem. I had my front tyre go down after sending it on a down hill on rocky terrain. i inflated it and its been up ever since. We are using mountain bikes .It makes me wonder if the high pressures of road bike tyres can cause the sealant not to seal and then fail with the high psi.
I wasn’t a fan of tubeless but have been using it on my gravel and mountain bike as they both come set up tubeless. From what I’ve gathered sealant works best at lower pressures. So I’m my gravel bike I’m running between 35-40 psi on my mtb between 20-28. I’ve used bontrager and stand sealant. Both plugged up small holes, found the stand worked better. I’ve now switched to silca in my mtb which I think is overkill but will try it in a road set as I’ll be running higher pressures and due to silca having those carbon flecks will help. It’s definitely designed more for road tires. Another one in stans race day sealant, spoke to a pro racer and he said he uses that in his tires and works very well.
I've been tubeless for a few years on my mountain bike and it's really not any drama once you understand the maintenance required and you have the appropriate tools. Stans Sealant works well for me. I've finally made my road bike tubeless which was the easiest job. The only time the sealant failed was when I didn't change it often enough. I'm running the latest PZERO 4S Race TLR tires in 28mm size on my road bike.
Been on tubeless about a year. Had my first puncture just last week. Didnt even know while riding I had punctured. Got home saw a bit of sealant spray on back of seat tube wiped right up. Using Stans. Seemed to work great for me. Barely lost any air at all from tire. And when putting in sealant it's much easier to remove the valve core after the tire was seated and with a syringe insert the sealant. Put valve core back in and pump up. No mess, no drips of sealant no need to clean wheels. No mess period.
It's a hassle when you start, but now that I've been using it for some time it's pretty easy. I do it now almost for the quietness of the drivetrain. It's silent and just peaceful
Sorry mate, I thought this comment was under another video. With the tubeless, when you get the right combination of sealant and tires it does work. Plus you can run lower pressure so it's comfier and faster. It's just a bit of trial and error getting the right combination
I had issues with the Vittoria Corsa tires 28mm and also my panaracer 38mm slicks :/ Both had issues especially with Muc off but also Stans and orange seal. Since putting in Silca, I haven't even had to pump them up once!
Stan's makes a specific sealant for road use, much chunkier and viscous than the standard one as standard won't coagulate fast enough at pressures over 2bars
Interesting. A few people are saying Stans has worked for them but it never did for me. It's the only one that people have said works other than Silca.
I've been running Muc off in my 30mm Pirelli pzero on my road bike with zipp firecrest 303 wheels for the last 2yrs, no problem as yet.. I had a problem on 45mm Pirelli gravel M tyre the other week and had to use a mega dynaplug to stop the leak... Muc off didn't seal the split but I'm not sure if any sealant would??? Interesting views in the comments from all products...
Wondering if you've had any more success or failures for your road bike with muc-off sealant. I do wonder if the higher pressures with road compared to gravel/MTB makes it harder to seal, though it probably also depends on the brand. Cheers
@@SpinAnGrin I'm glad to hear that, especially with the challenges you've had with sealant thus far! Would you happen to know if air pressure matters in terms of the sealant working to seal a puncture? For example, does it seal the same size hole just as well if there's 65 psi compared to 35 psi? I'm also wondering if the seal isn't as durable at higher road pressures (I had a sealed puncture let go after 20 mins on road)
I'm not familiar with roadie tyres but tubeless setup works wonders on MTB's. Not a single puncture in 5 years - just check and to up sealant every 3 months. Simples
Wow this made me re-think going tubeless on my all-road bike. Got a flat during a ride this weekend, but I was back on the road in under 5 minutes. All this mess looks far worse than that! Thanks for your candor.
Tubeless tires don’t have to be removed from the rim tubeless patch kit plugs the hole with rubber strip! Way faster then taking the tube out and patching it!
@@triggword7648I always carry a spare inner, just swap it and do the patching at home. Only had 2 flats in 12 years on 2 different bikes, and I bike daily (commuting with my normal Dutch bike). Patching at home takes less then 10 minutes including reinstalling the “old” inner.
@@triggword7648 as a deliveroo rider who was getting a lot of punctures even with marathon plus tyres and a tube with sealant inside I switched to tubeless and never looked back. I've had a few punctures that couldn't self seal but a quick flip of the bike and a stab with bacon strip means I could be on my way.
Thank you for a good video. I do not quite share the experience you have 🙂 After using innertubes all my life, I just went tubeless this very weekend, with my Bontrager wheels. I had absolutely no problem using a normal floor pump... and I also just added the sealant (Silca) through the valve with no issues. I for sure hope it works when I get my first hole!
Did you know that depending on the size of the puncture, you may have to also use some sort of insert, like bacon bits, I think they are called. It will allow the sealant to work. I've had no issues with Stans which is what I use on my mountain bike in the past.
@SpinAnGrin dynaplugs are fatter than bacon strips. They have a tapered cone you push through the tire and the hole tightly grabs the plug. The same thing happens with bacon strips but road pressures are so high that they tend to get spit out
Hey SpinAnGrin, love your video. I started using tubeless for about a year now since I bought a Gravel bike. Never used tubeless before and since run clinchers on my road bikes. I had no idea what I was doing with tubeless and spoke to a local bike shop, they recommended Muc-Off and I haven't had a problem with the stuff. I find tubeless tires themselves more a pain in the arse then the sealant. For example tubeless tires are a pain to seat for some reason. I was out the local NP and hit a small rock at speed. It didn't puncture or pierce the tire, but rather pushed the air out. I checked and double checked the tire it was good. I put more air in and the tire slowly went down. I had to do this all the way home where I put more sealant in the tire. I little sealant came out from the bead and then sealed. Its fine since.
You speak to me from the soul I will get myself Silca too. For the moment I messed around with Schwalbe Doc Blue and got 50:50 results. Well on a ride far away from home 50:50 ain't good enough though. So thanks a bunch for sharing your experiences. Ride on!
@@Temporalplace Sealant is for tubeless only. I use Silca only now and try to buy the most puncture resistant tires in order not to use the sealant in the first place.
Very different experience with silca for me. Tried it on my gravel tires that I have been using for years with Stan’s sealant. Whenever I would get a puncture Stan’s would successfully seal it. But I decided to try silca anyways and the sealant dried up inside the tire within 2 weeks. I topped it off with the silca replenisher and that dried up quickly too. So when I removed the tire to clean it up and put Stan’s back in I found a big silca rubber snail inside. Could it be that both the silca sealant and the replenisher were faulty? Not sure but once I went back to my old sealant in the same tire its been working as it should.
I know it does dry up and creates almost a skin inside the tire. From experience, you have to make sure there is enough In the tire. That normally means you can hear it sloshing around at time. Interesting that so many people rate the Stans. Maybe I did something wrong with it.
I’ve had the same experience. Silca would not seal and I used the replenisher. In the end both tires had problems. When I took them off I found a ball in each made up of the carbon fibers. A real nightmare. It was Stan’s after that and had no issues since. Much prefer the ride of TL. The one thing I recommend though - if you’re close to a mechanic, have them do it. Or, buy a small compressor. The canister pumps work with some rim/ tire combinations but not all. I made much more a mess during first attempt than what’s depicted in the video.
Sounds like you should just stick to inner tube. The main advantage of tubeless is supposedly the ability to seal the puncture. If that doesn't work for you, then it really defeat the purpose of using tubeless or sealant.
Tubeless can save you on many occasions without you even noticing where you would have had to change a tube so I fully disagree, tubeless is miles better overall.
I'm running the muc-off valve stems and silica sealant and my front tire specifically clogs the valve core with sealant that I end up changing it out every 5 rides or so, just completely gunked up no matter what I try position wise when storing it. I'm about to give up
Running Orange Seal and I have a substantial hole in my gravel tires that it has sealed, twice. I got a nail in an ENVE SES tire and it sealed quite nicely and a metal fastening screw in a GP5000TL tire that was replaced as removing the screw destroyed the tire.
Totally agree on the mess created, even when one is being extra careful not to create any in the first place. I recently had to chuck two perfectly good tyres, because I just couldn't remove the dried on, crusty old sealant inside them. I've gone back to inner tubes for the foreseeable future.
I am useing Stans for like 3 1/2 years on my Gravel, i haven't had it fail me yet in around 19000Km, it always sealed the puncture. After getting a ton of flats last year, i allso started goin tubeless on my roadbike, with no problems till yesterday...i got a big cut in the sidewall, stans tryed too seal it, but that "hole" was just too big ;-) Toping off like all 3 months is not a big deal, and im staying tubeless. Got like 6000Km this year, on both bikes, with no issues other than the cut yesterday.
This season I tried Muc-off; the puncture was a pinhole on the tread, not the side wall. Long story short, I carried the wrong size valve/ spare tube and had to walk 5 miles home. I will not repurchase Muc-off. I didn't realize this, but I was an early adopter of Tubeless; for awhile, I've been looking left and right to see if others were experiencing the maintenance downside -- well, it appears we are at peak "tired of the maintenance." I had a blowout b/c I didn't add fresh sealant, no severe injuries, but you can imagine how spectacular that crash was. Thanks for sounding the alarm.
Good summary! What sort of pressures are you running? I run Stans (the normal stuff, not race) in mine, the smallest I'll go is 28mm, any less than that and the benefit of lower pressure is overcome by needing to run higher pressure because of the volume. I run up to 50psi in my 28's on normal chip seal road, I am 80kg of rider and bike. On my preferred 32's I run 42 to 48 psi. I've found the stans works reliably, 3 punctures in 20k plus km, one was too big for the sealant but a bacon plug sorted that out nicely. The Silca is pretty amazing and I would recommend that for anyone running road tires >60psi pressures. Yes it's a bit more of a faff but I enjoy tinkering and really don't find it onerous. I'll take a little time for the comfort it provides.
Honestly, running the lower tire pressure on the road alone makes it worthwhile for me. But I also ride on some pretty rubbish roads. On gravel, the lower pressure is a must for me. But the specific advance is not getting pinch flats in a tube when you hit rocks at speed.
@@SpinAnGrin I bought a Giant that came set up tubeless 32mm. Even running at 50psi the tyres felt wooden and no better than tubed. I switched to 28mm Pirelli Cinturato which are better but not much different feel from tubed at 60psi. I’m thinking of putting tubes in them just to avoid the hassle of a serious puncture miles from home. I’ve not had a pinch flat running 25c or bigger but I don’t ride off road.
If I only cycled on the roads, I would put in TPU tubes and be done with it. Like you said, it's much of a much ness with feel. My prior giant always had a harsh ride but that had a ISP so I put it down to that.
My new gravel bike has tubeless which I’ve never used before. The minor annoyance is pumping the tyres every few days as it starts to lose some air. Is that normal? It’s only a minor hindrance though. The sealant is some Giant sealant that came with the bike. I’ve had the bike 3 months and after thinking I’d a puncture a few days ago I discovered I’d no sealant left so I topped it up. It turns out I’d not tightened the nut on the valve and lost a lot of air. I had two small bottles with just the right amount for each tyre. There was very little mess and the few drops on the wheel were easily cleaned off. I don’t know how good it is as a sealant yet, but I”m sure I’ll find out.
Some are prone to leaking air however personally, with Silca I very seldomly have to top them up. It's normally a bit of a sign that there might not be enough sealant in there.
@@SpinAnGrin The bike shop said I’d need to add a wee bottle every three months, roughly, and that the bottle would be the right amount. I was advised to keep the wee bottles and buy a big bottle and just fill the wee bottles when it comes time to top them up, to save money. They said I shouldn’t need to pump my tyres that often but I definitely do. I’ll talk to them tomorrow about it. Cheers.
Great video. Are you going back to tube? I agree with you that sealant is a mess, but muc off seams working fine with me. Matter of fact, I am thinking about using tube in next summer
I use Muc Off sealant and it has worked for me, although I also generally use a plug also if a puncture doesn't seal within a few revolutions. It is a major pain to get off the frame when you get home. Also noticed you didn't seem to clean out the Muc Off sealant before adding the Silca...mixing products is generally a bad idea in case they react.
I use FlatOut Sportsman inside of a tube. It works with tubeless too. It has kevlar fibers that physically plug the puncture. It stays liquid and is easy to wash off. I've hit big construction screws and nails, had them sticking out the tire and i'm still riding. its crazy. Its saved me an unbelievable amount of time and hastle , so many flats. The FlatOut product itself does have a bit of weight to it though, but i bet the dosage would be low for a road tire. Works great with fat tires, ive had a few times with 29er / 700C tires where it didnt work. OH and for products that DON'T work, slime tubes!! I'm like 0 for 5 on slime tubes. never again
I’ve use both Muc-Off and Stans Race on both road and MTB without issues at all. My riding group also uses Muc-off and share a 5L jug and none have had issues either. Not sure what you may doing wrong as both Muc-off and Stan’s race has been effective with our experience. I can’t comment in Silca as I have not tired, but no doubts it will work well as I’ve had great success with their other products
Stans worked great in my MTB for ten years. Started running Orange Seal in my gravel bike last year and have not had a single issue (6000 miles). Recently set up the road bike tubeless, (Orange Seal ) and it has been great so far. In over 10K miles of riding I have only had to use plugs twice (on MTB), and only had one hole that was too large for a plug.
Happy Muc-Off user here, no issues for me so far. I've actually switched from a different brand (latex based sealant) which was also OK in terms of sealing the punctures, but I was tired of cleaning the inside of the tires from the sticky residues. Muc-Off is leaving some "chalky" residue instead (which is very easy to remove). So, now I'm using Muc-Off in two bikes. One is a gravel bike with Panaracer GravelKings SK 43 mm. These tyres are not a perfect combination with the rims, slightly loose on the rim bed and hard to seal without the compressor, but it is regardless of which sealant is used. In my MTB it's a completely different story, the tight fit of the Schwalbe Nobby Nics 2.6" on the rim results as sealing on the rim (and holding air) even without any sealant. Anyway, as for the effectiveness of Muc-Off: just 2 or 3 weeks ago I had a puncture from a big thorn in my front tyre (that Schwalbe NN in my MTB) and the pressure dropped from 1.2 I normally use to 0.6 bars (checked with Topeak digital gauge that I always have with me). Pumped up to a little higher pressure, turned the wheel few times and it has sealed after 15 seconds (the pressure dropped a little bit of course). Pumped up again to the usual pressure and Bob's your uncle. Most of the time I don't even notice that there was some puncture, only after getting back home (and doing some inspection or cleaning the bikes) I can see some wet spots on the tyres as the evidence of the fact that there was some puncture.
Wow, you're genuinely the first person that I know of that has successfully used muc off. I'm not sure what it is but I genuinely can't get it to work with road tyres. Maybe it needs the larger volume of air to help seal? That's the only thing I can think of at this point 🤷
28mm tires I run around 55 PSI. My 38mm panaracer slicks I ran around 35 PSI. These have been over 2 different wheel set combinations. Not sure what I would be doing wrong. The Silca being latex based is a pain, but it just works I find.
@SpinAnGrin Some sealants only work at MTB-ish pressures. Muc-Off is probably one of them, like Stan's is. Stan's will seal up nicely below about 45 psi, but at road bike pressures, you might as well use actual milk. Orange is the only sealant that can seal at ~70+ psi, in my experience (have not tried "glue" ).
Maybe because I use MTB tires but even with inserts I mount them with a regular floor pump on my flat, (no garage available), and I have one nail crossed from the side wall to the tread and seal it up... I came home, deflate, clean and put a regular tube patch on the tire and they are still running.
@@SpinAnGrin they are good but not perfect. There are always trade offs. But they do provide a tad more comfort🙂. They do have a tendency to be a nightmare to get them seated on some rims! Ah and sealant wise i always add double the recommended amount on a clean install and apply a fair portion on the bead of the tire before seating them. Its helps seat and seal the bead when installing on some tires/ rim combinations.
Ive had an awful experience with silca. It always clogged up my valves and it dried up too fast on me. Within a month, it was completely dry. I switched back to orange seal and haven't had a problem since. Never had a problem with it not sealing.
Running Stan´s in my 47mm Gravel tires, and had no issue whatsoever. >Was also surprised at the ease with which I have completed the setup using just a floor pump. Been riding pavement, gravel, doubletrack, light singletrack and also some pretty chunky and sharp stuff. If there were any punctures, they were of the kind that I haven´t even noticed. Checking and topping up the sealant 3-6 months. Best decision I´ve ever made.
I bought a bike set up as tubeless and had so many issues that I simply went back to inner tubes. I don’t have a garage and have no desire to spend my weekends doing this!
I use the Sealant from muc-off. I ran over a pretty big nail just yesterday, and it sealed perfectly. pulled it out, and squirted out some sealant, but in a matter of milliseconds, it sealed everything just fine. I probably rode 3-5k Kilometers on their sealant. I always recommend their sealent, and never heard of a friend, to whom I recommended it, that they had a problem. all say it works like a charm on their bikes.
Ultralight tubes and waxed chains are my new love on the quest for less maintenance. If a tubeless tire and rim are a terrible match, I'll spend $100 to try a new tire (usually Schwable). I tried Vittoria and had a similar experience that you had with Silca; it comes out the value due to clogging. The mess of Tubeless is atrocious. Now you can do foam inserts with tubeless to increase the frustration.
Tubeless has been a godsend for me. The lower pressure is a noticeably more comfortable ride and I can rail corners with more confidence. The road I ride on often has little glass shards and debris littered throughout. I used to get punctures often with clinchers, and I didn't mind changing the tubes out. But it's been over 2 years since I've had to stop during a ride since switching to tubeless. ~5k miles per yr. I have had several cuts that sealed instantly and I was able to get home. Additionally, I notice my tires gather less nicks and cuts in them with the lower pressure as well. I'm using Stan's regular. I'm never going back to clinchers.
I know MTB is different, but mine had been set to tubeless 4 years ago and I did not do anything with it since than, only set the right pressure time to time.
I bought a new Continental Grand Prix 5000 S tubeless on 5/15/23 (rear). My front tire is a Mavic tubeless which are no longer available. I had 1 or 2 punctures in each tire that sealed up fine (orange sealant). I rode about 2400 miles during this time, and 8/3/23 the Conti lost air pressure but didn't go flat. Took it in to my LBS and they said the sealant had almost dried up due to the hot summer weather. I replaced the Conti with a new tire and had them top off the sealant in both tires. I run 78 psi in the front tire and 80 psi in the rear. I like how the tubeless tires feel on the road. I rode for 3 months and never had to fix a flat and the roads are pretty bad here in San Diego county. That said, running tubes is less expensive and it's easier to fix your own flats.
As a MTBer that now also does gravel, I've found that the biggest difficulty in getting gravel tyres to seal is the back of available air in the tyre for the sealant to work. Sometimes 10 seconds of escaping air isn't long enough for sealant to build up and cure. Still, I do find it's worth running tubeless on my gravel bike with 47mm tyres. Any skinnier and I likely wouldnt bother.
On the wknd I got a small puncture on a brand new gravel tire and Silca didn’t seal it. I’m beyond a tinkerer so got going easily but wife was amazed that such a small hole didn’t seal.
I enjoy tinkering with my bikes to a degree, but I have no interest in going tubeless. It's a bridge too far in tinkering terms. Using tubes is not messy, not expensive, and not frustrating, I can change out a tube in just a few minutes (even with Continental tires), and when I inflate the new tube it I know it's going to seat the tire and hold air. I'm not saying I like having a mid-ride puncture -- nobody does. But if I do have one, I know there's damage that needs fixing, and I can fix it. Tubeless, if it works right, masks damage until it no longer can, then it fails utterly, and unless you were carrying a tube anyway, you're screwed.
@@MrUnl0rdI think this is the key. For a road bike, I don’t see any real reason to go tubeless. In mountain biking, there are many reasons to go tubeless. The two biggest ones are to avoid multiple punctures on a ride and the ability to run lower tire pressures for extra grip. Road bikes run much higher tire pressures and want lower rolling resistance, so there goes that.
@@dvs620what he just said made me tubeless in my road bike. I am 105 kgs and i got punctures almost every ride let’s say 8/10 rides. Now that i am tubeless, i never experienced flat tire anymore, been riding daily for 50km a day, with the road condition where there is pothole everywhere, i don’t need to slow down because of potholes, i enjoy my ride riding with a lesser psi, very comfortable. I use stans, it is not pain in the ass to clean, unlike that silica, it destroys rims, so i tend to go for stans, i bring plugs incase of bigger circular holes, and i also bring extra innertube just incase sealant wont work. My very problem with tube is the snake bites, where you cannot use patch to it, i need to go in vulcanizing shop for that. So now im tubeless, im very confident to ride anywhere.
So tubeless tires are a solution to what problem, exactly? They still get flats and it's often messy. How is that better than patching or changing a tube? In what situations does tubeless make sense and in what does it not?
I used stans and e thirteen sealant so far without issues. In my experience the problem is not the sealant but the rimtape. For everything else but MTB tires its a complete gamble if it holds the air.
Stan’s “RACE” for few years now. No issues as long as I top up every 4 months or so depending & pour heaps straight into the gap in the tyre. Do not pour into cup or use syringe or you lose most of the chunky fibres and shake really well. Cheers
Wow, you're getting by with 4 months of riding using the Race version? Stan's wording to inspect the Race sealant every 2-3 weeks scared me off from purchasing it.
I have to agree Silca Tubeless Sealant is the best so far for sealing holes on my road bike tyres and its a mess inserting it into the tyre and when cleaning the tyre for fresh dose of sealant.
Silca now make a sealant clean up spray. Its awesome. On a longer ride, cover a small rag in the clean up spray and put it in a zip lock bag. Dyna plugs will change your life. The best companion for running tubeless.
I tried a TPU tube and was surprised how little it weighs. It worked on the first install and they now even make patches for them. Why bother with sealant, which is heavier, more expensive and messier? How often does one even get a pinch flat in road cycling? The lowest pressure we use is probably around 65 PSI. Tubeless may have some advantages for large volume, low pressure tires, but for road it doesn't have much. Moreover, there is a recent video on how the combination of road tubeless on a hookless rim can be distasterous -- even when it is installed according to manufacturer directions.
This is good to know. I recently paid a local bike shop to set up a new set of carbon wheels and Pirelli tires as a tubeless system and they used Muckoff sealant. The front tire was low on air the next day so when I went to take the valve cap off to add some air to the tire all the sealant blew out of the valve because they never tightened down the valve core when they installed it. Now I have to have a tube in that tire because I refuse to pay them over $100 to screw it up again.
Sealents are not developed yet for the high pressure of road bike tires. I had mixed results with stans over a couple of years. It would seal at around 3 bar or 40psi. Tubeless works great for MTB and to a certain extent for gravel, but the sealant that works for 25psi does not work for 80 to 100psi.
I use stans with no issues. Never tried muc off although my mate swears by on his mtb. Great video. Like you say its not for everyone. Something else to add if you have to put tube in out on ride there is likely to be thorns/ glass etc stuck to inside of tyre from previous pictures that will just pop tube straight away. Another thing is depending on wheel and tyre combo you may not get tyre to seat out on ride . Sometimes you need a chamber of high volume of air . So your ride is over in this case.
If you’re running heavy tyres with added puncture protection, run tubes. If you want speed and are running lighter supple tyres, tubeless is a must. Stans standard sealant is the best and the only sealant I’ll use. Never had a problem with it. Sounds like you need to carry dynaplugs to plug larger holes.
Yeah I have tried muc off, and it has never worked. Before watching this video I was thinking of giving it another try, after my years supply of Silica runs out. For sure its easier to clean out the mucoff than silica. Mucoff is also more likely to spurt in your face than Silica. Silica sealant replenisher can be injected into the valve. A good tool to also have is dynaplug to deal with the harder to seal holes
I keep going back to Stans race sealant, it just seems to work for me. Best purchases I made was an Airshot tyre inflator because I already had a decent track pump so didn't need a new one with built in high pressure tank, the other one was a Dyna plug 'race' version for larger cuts. The biggest mistake people make when getting a puncture is constantly trying to inflate the tyre to 80+ psi! You have to ride with a softer tyre till the sealant has sealed, you also need to rotate the wheel so the hole is at the bottom to get some sealant to it then rotate it back round so you don't keep leaking sealant, give it a couple of minutes, then set off riding and top up with air as needed but DON'T inflate too hard or you'll just undo the 'glue' before it's fully dried. Hope this helps people.
I installed a tubeless setup, I run sealant for a week and ride around, then remove. I run my tires dry and in my emergency kit, I carry a little bottle to solve any puncture issues. Enough pound to get me home and patch. Running dry, I dont have shit spraying everywhere and I focus the sealant on where it needs to be when off the bike.
I’ve purchased replacement tubes with Slime already in them. Never used them before. Haven’t installed them yet. So it may be awhile before I discover if it’s a good investment or not 🤷♂️
I've been using Muc-off sealant on my gravel bike for the last year and a half and it's worked wonders for me. Small cuts to the tire which have sealed itself during rides. I definitely think it's up to tire/rim combo as well as sealant. Currently using Specialized Pathfinder Pro tires with Roval Terra CL wheels.
I'm all about tubeless but your tire and rim combo will have little affect on flats unless you're burping.
same with me, on the gravel bike it works fine. Have had some trouble on road tires, maybe related to the higher pressure. I slice a tire recently and found 6 or 7 holes clotted - I never really noticed I had that many holes, but it explaines the odd low pressure. So fine with me.
Run muck off on both gravel and road for 4 years, gravel it is fine. Road I think the higher tyre pressures don’t help, I have had punctures seal, and I have had them intermittently open and spray me but seal again. Switched to Schwalbe blue on road bike and no problems since, but muck off in the gravel
Stans race sealant
Why can’t we use a common Presta valve stem and inject the Silca sealant?
I've been running Stan's "regular" since 2015 in mountain bike and since 2020 in road tires (32mm, 55 psi). The only punctures that didn't seal were sidewall cuts. Be sure to check the level and condition of your sealant every month or so using a zip tie as a dip stick through the valve. If the sealant is clear, you've had a puncture at some point and all the latex has been consumed. I draw the old clear sealant out through the valve with a straw on a syringe and replace with fresh sealant.
Interesting to hear that you pull out the old sealant like that.
After all the comments, I will definitely give Stans another go soon
I have been using tubeless on mountain bikes almost since the beginning and have had very good luck with Stans. It even sealed a small snakebite on the sidewall with a little help by taking the wheel off and putting the bite down so the sealant could get to it. I have also tried Orange seal. It worked but no better than Stans and cost more. There is some maintenance with sealant but I find it better than tubes which snakebite and go flat with thorns. I’ll never go back to tubes.
This 100% The clear stuff needs to be removed otherwise the newly added sealant is too diluted, then of course it's not going to work.
Great tip. I was not aware of this. I’ve never had a puncture that I’m aware of, not even with tubes. I’m sure I’ll find out soon enough though. I’m new to tubeless so I will keep an eye on this.
Same here. I been on stans for a few years also. I have puncture a few times and it has seal. I run about 75 PSI in my road bike. When I puncture I lose about 10 psi before it seals it completely. When I get home after the ride I fine the seal and plug it. On my gravel bike I have only punction once it was not able to seal it completely but enough to slow the leak to finish the ride. Plugged it once I got home. I also use a syringe to suck up the old sealant and add new sealant every 3 month
Stan’s has worked wonders on my carbon 27.5”x4.5” fat-unicycle. No issues, top off every 6 months.
That’s because you’re not running 70+ psi. Lower pressure tiers work great setup tubless always have done.
@@gaza4543 I think my stan bottle got 40PSI as recommended max to use, which is fine for my 40mm gravel tyre.. ;)
I’ve been using tubeless for over a year now. It’s a life changer. I’ve been out on rides and not realise I had a puncture until I get home. Also I have always used Muc-Off sealant and it’s never let me down. Everyone has their own unique story. I’m not here to convince anyone. Just wanted to mention that there are success stories out there!
I'm calling bullshit
Been using Stans for years,, got 2 puncture on the weekend,, the sealant sprayed alot on both but also sealed both up within seconds and continued riding without stopping.
Stans is definitely the only other sealant that people appear to be recommending ah
I’ve using Stans sealant on my commuter road bike with 30mm tyres for 4 years but I’ve decided to give up on Stans and maybe try Orange seal. The very first tubeless pin prick puncture on the road a few years back sealed with Stans right up but that’s the last time Stans has ever sealed a hole for me without intervention. Even small holes (like a small piece of wire) doesn’t seal or does but only keeps running with low pressure. As soon as you pump it up to 70psi (which is about correct for 30mm tyres) the sealant just blows out and pressure comes right down. With Stans I find I have to plug the hole with a slug of some sort. Had to do 3 like that on the road in the last month. Stan’s seems more suited to the lower pressures of MTB. I’m hoping Orange seal will be more suitable for road.
Considering going tubeless in the future. Thanks for the advice!
Best of luck
Glad I stumbled upon this! I'm using the same wheels, tires and valves you are but I've been having trouble losing pressure non stop. I noticed you are using the square shaped rubber piece on the valve (inside the wheel) and I've been using the cone shaped one. Wondering if that makes a huge difference?
It might a little. The square one sits into the grove of the tyre much tighter I find
I have been using Silca for a while now and have not had any issues with pouring. As you mention, I always seat the tire empty and then pop one side open, pour the Silca sealant in and then use a tire tool to pop the tire back on, but I inflate it (without a canister, just a regular pump) before I slush it around it so only tiny amounts of sealant show up in a few places - easy to wipe at that point. Silca also sells this 'replenisher' which will go through th valve but I have found popping the tire (with a tool, not by hand) and pouring sealant easier than removing the valve core and adding the replenisher.
If you take your time, you can certainly do it without spilling any. I think at this point, I just get it in there and deal with the mess 😅
I have a trek farley ex8 I put it tubeless with muc off and I had no problems with it I will have to try your one on my mountain bike see how it goes.
I have been running normal Stans, Conti and Milkit over the last 3 years and all worked very well. It's more a trade off between dry-out and sealing properties. Also some tyre manufacturers (e.g. Veloflex) specify natural or synthetic based sealants. All in all you are right that it can be pretty messy when changing tyres but at least for me the performance and puncture protection is just so much better. (I never run anything smaller than 28 on 22c rims which is more like 30mm real size, so below 5 bar for max pressure)
Finding that balance over time is key I guess. Once you've found a solution that works for you, it's set and forget really I find
I have used Muc Off for a couple of years with 42mm gravel tyres and it has always sealed well. Its just a pain to get off your frame once it has dried on. I have just moved over to Silca, so too early to tell, but I'm confident it will be very good.
I think that you're safe with Silca
I put ceramic coating on the frame often and if sealant gets on it wipes off easily
Is it easy to put on?
yes it is spray on and wipe then buff a little@@SpinAnGrin
Going to look into that 👍
You can use sealant in the inner tubes too, mine is Slime and there are also protection tapes that go between the inner tube and the tyre for extra resistance.
I use muc-off sealant and have had great success with both road and gravel. I ride road up to about 70 psi and it's no problem at all. I would easily recommend it to others, especially because it's one of very few that is compatible with CO2 inflation. It is more vicious than others like Stans so I use a bit more volume of sealant. It also doesn't dry out much, smells good, eco friendly, and washes easily as long as you don't let it dry. I believe it doesn't use ammonia so it doesn't smell bad.
Interesting, I think you might be the first person I know who has had a good experience with using Muc Off. Glad to hear it's worked for someone at least
@SpinAnGrin user of Muc Off as well and it's worked great. I've only ever had clean up problems with it but that goes for any sealant.
@@SpinAnGrin I’ve used multiple sealants and muc off has always been the one I’ve returned to.
I use it in mtb and gravel, I would say it’s sealed all punctures and even to the point where I’ve got home and noticed a few spots on the frame and not affected the ride. It’s been great.
I trust it 100%
Are you using enough?
Just glad it's worked for someone.
Oh yes, I have more than enough In there. I forgot to include it in the video but I have a photo from when the muc off didn't work for me. The pink sealant everywhere up the back of the bike and a flat tire 😅
I've used road tubeless and orange seal for a few years now and not had any issues, or this much drama or around my tires. I can mount my tires using a floor pump as well.
That stand looks nice and stable. What is it and how do you like it?
You don’t need to wash the tire from the previous muc off sealant before installing the new sealant ?
Never had any issues with leaving the old sealant in there. Plus it acts as a lubricant to help seat the tires on
This video is so darn accurate and honest....I cried. TY😢
Learner the hard way that's for sure
Top tip. For holes that are created by flints and bigger than thorns I use one of the petals from a stans Dart plug pushed into the hole with a sharp prodder. The stans Darts
work on bigger holes but the puncture protection layer is too tough to put the dart through for the small holes. I've been using Stans sealant for 10 years and it works for me.
I've got 25mm wide tyres on a road bike, running at high pressure (9 BAR) - I looked into going tubeless so I could drop the pressure a little. Especially after picking up many punctures in a week (double digits) with P-Zero tyres and featherweight tubes, I was very keen to try tubeless. I never have tried it, but switched to a slightly thicker tyre with standard inner tubes and I don't think I've had a puncture since
I've ran p zeros before, fast tire but sooo thin!
I’ve been using muc-off for almost 2 years, with Panaracer Gravelking SS tires, it’s been a dream, not only has it sealed everything that has punctured my tires, but also a pretty massive burp that I didn’t even notice at the time but when I realized my pressure was a bit low and went to air up I saw where the sealant had exploded out of the bead and resealed while I rode along happily. I didn’t have to add air for months when I first set them up.
Very helpful tips and advice. I could have made a few messy mistakes. Thanks
Glad it helps, good luck
I started out with Stan’s 3-4 years on my X bike and quickly changed to Muc Off and liked it so much I went tubeless on my road bike and have had no real problems since.
I did try Silca on my X bike and while it seals better than Muc off it’s just so much trouble ergo clogging up my valve stem . So I went back to Muc off as it’s sealed almost everything. And Dyna Plugs always bail me out if I’ve lost too much psi
I've got some Dyna plugs coming in the post based on everyone's recommendations
@@SpinAnGrin they are bulletproof! I tried Stan’s Darts but I had a couple snap as I was trying to insert them .
Way too messy for me 😂. GP5000 with latex inner tubes any day of the week.
Pardon my ignorance, but what occurs when you attempt to inflate the tire after a couple of days? As tires tend to lose pressure over time, would the sealant seal the valve when you use a pump, considering pumps typically release a small amount of air when connecting it?
I don't have the need to actually pump the tires up all the often. They hold the pressure for weeks. I've also never had a issue with the valves getting blocked 🤞
What pump is that from Topeak? Great video.
It's the Joe blow one. Not really needed for road tires but great big tank for larger tires
I have used Orange Seal Endurance with no issues at all for my road bike, with Schwalbe pro one, GP5000 STR and Challenge Strada Pro and Challenge Criterium RS).
Yet, a week ago I purchased a Silca tubeless sealant (to try it) but after watching your video I think I will not ever use it. Especially due to the fact that the Challenge tyres are quite difficult to install on my tight rims (not to seat them after you install, but just to install them).
For me, the only way to setup them tubeless is to inject the sealant through the valve, but this is impossible as you stated.
Is there any other option? Thank you !
Not for the Silca no. The bits of carbon fibre will clock any Injector took or valve. I've now switched back to orange seal and Dyna plugs and it's working a treat
Sounds like you are eventually going to be like me and just give up with the whole idea of tubeless one day. I spent years trying road tubeless, many tire brands and all the sealants on the market and still when I got a puncture I was not able to continue riding my bike until I put a tube in to get me home. I spent an unimaginable amount of money, I'm sure the industry thanks me for that, but I won't spend another dime on it ever again. I now use TPU tubes which have been great. I can carry 3 tubes which take up the same space as one rubber tube so that really makes me feel better about finishing a ride and not getting stuck out on the road somewhere. No more messes for me thank you, and if you use sealant I won't ride with you because you are not getting your mess on me when you puncture.
I think for my road setup, I will end up back with TPU tubes like you mention. For gravel though, I need to stick with tubeless as I feel more confident with the lower pressure and grip.
How do you like the TPU tubes?….I’ve never tried them but am interested
Me and my mates all use muc-off never had a problem. I had my front tyre go down after sending it on a down hill on rocky terrain. i inflated it and its been up ever since. We are using mountain bikes .It makes me wonder if the high pressures of road bike tyres can cause the sealant not to seal and then fail with the high psi.
I wasn’t a fan of tubeless but have been using it on my gravel and mountain bike as they both come set up tubeless. From what I’ve gathered sealant works best at lower pressures. So I’m my gravel bike I’m running between 35-40 psi on my mtb between 20-28. I’ve used bontrager and stand sealant. Both plugged up small holes, found the stand worked better. I’ve now switched to silca in my mtb which I think is overkill but will try it in a road set as I’ll be running higher pressures and due to silca having those carbon flecks will help. It’s definitely designed more for road tires. Another one in stans race day sealant, spoke to a pro racer and he said he uses that in his tires and works very well.
I've not tried the Stans race day yet but lots of people vouched for it. Not sure I will swap back from Silca again but we will see
Question, your Zipp 303 hookless? Can you use latex tube and not use sealant at all? And call it a day!
You can if you want yes. But I prefer running the lower pressure of tubeless as the roads around me are a little rubbish
I've been tubeless for a few years on my mountain bike and it's really not any drama once you understand the maintenance required and you have the appropriate tools. Stans Sealant works well for me. I've finally made my road bike tubeless which was the easiest job. The only time the sealant failed was when I didn't change it often enough. I'm running the latest PZERO 4S Race TLR tires in 28mm size on my road bike.
That's the road tyres I had previously. I found because they're so light weight, it was prone to punctures which is why I tested so many sealants 😅
Been on tubeless about a year. Had my first puncture just last week. Didnt even know while riding I had punctured. Got home saw a bit of sealant spray on back of seat tube wiped right up. Using Stans. Seemed to work great for me. Barely lost any air at all from tire.
And when putting in sealant it's much easier to remove the valve core after the tire was seated and with a syringe insert the sealant. Put valve core back in and pump up. No mess, no drips of sealant no need to clean wheels. No mess period.
Lots of people are vouching for Stans, will be giving it a try on the merit that you can Inject it versus pouring it in
@@SpinAnGrin injection is absolutely the way to go. Very easy to measure how much to put in and literally zero mess.
so...any advantages on all this trouble? what about the PU foams? i see its quite expensive, but it seems to be the ultimate solution.cheers
It's a hassle when you start, but now that I've been using it for some time it's pretty easy. I do it now almost for the quietness of the drivetrain. It's silent and just peaceful
@@SpinAnGrin what do you mean by silent drive train? How does the tube Vs non tive affect that?
Sorry mate, I thought this comment was under another video.
With the tubeless, when you get the right combination of sealant and tires it does work. Plus you can run lower pressure so it's comfier and faster.
It's just a bit of trial and error getting the right combination
What tyres and what size and pressure were failing to seal with the various sealants?
I had issues with the Vittoria Corsa tires 28mm and also my panaracer 38mm slicks :/
Both had issues especially with Muc off but also Stans and orange seal. Since putting in Silca, I haven't even had to pump them up once!
Stan's makes a specific sealant for road use, much chunkier and viscous than the standard one as standard won't coagulate fast enough at pressures over 2bars
Interesting. A few people are saying Stans has worked for them but it never did for me.
It's the only one that people have said works other than Silca.
Went back to clinchers on my Road bike... much happier. Run tubeless on my cross bike, gravel and mtb bike.
I've been running Muc off in my 30mm Pirelli pzero on my road bike with zipp firecrest 303 wheels for the last 2yrs, no problem as yet..
I had a problem on 45mm Pirelli gravel M tyre the other week and had to use a mega dynaplug to stop the leak... Muc off didn't seal the split but I'm not sure if any sealant would???
Interesting views in the comments from all products...
Yes for sure, I'm learning a lot from the comments provided it's great
Wondering if you've had any more success or failures for your road bike with muc-off sealant. I do wonder if the higher pressures with road compared to gravel/MTB makes it harder to seal, though it probably also depends on the brand. Cheers
Ive moved onto orange seal for both road and gravel and so far it's been excellent. Ive even had it seal road tyres with pretty decent cuts in it
@@SpinAnGrin I'm glad to hear that, especially with the challenges you've had with sealant thus far! Would you happen to know if air pressure matters in terms of the sealant working to seal a puncture? For example, does it seal the same size hole just as well if there's 65 psi compared to 35 psi? I'm also wondering if the seal isn't as durable at higher road pressures (I had a sealed puncture let go after 20 mins on road)
I run ~55psi on 28mm tires and it works fine. On my 38mm gravel tires I run ~30psi
I'm not familiar with roadie tyres but tubeless setup works wonders on MTB's. Not a single puncture in 5 years - just check and to up sealant every 3 months. Simples
Thanks for the video warning, I'm thinking still about tubeless and I found a type of sringe Milkit maybe it can help the maintenance.
The syringe is the way to go if the sealant is compatible. Makes it much easier
Wow this made me re-think going tubeless on my all-road bike. Got a flat during a ride this weekend, but I was back on the road in under 5 minutes. All this mess looks far worse than that! Thanks for your candor.
Something to be said for the ease of tubes
Tubeless tires don’t have to be removed from the rim tubeless patch kit plugs the hole with rubber strip! Way faster then taking the tube out and patching it!
@@triggword7648I always carry a spare inner, just swap it and do the patching at home. Only had 2 flats in 12 years on 2 different bikes, and I bike daily (commuting with my normal Dutch bike). Patching at home takes less then 10 minutes including reinstalling the “old” inner.
@@triggword7648 as a deliveroo rider who was getting a lot of punctures even with marathon plus tyres and a tube with sealant inside I switched to tubeless and never looked back. I've had a few punctures that couldn't self seal but a quick flip of the bike and a stab with bacon strip means I could be on my way.
What a great video! Good valuable information and presented in a funny way, that I had to laugh a dozen times 😂
Thank you for a good video. I do not quite share the experience you have 🙂
After using innertubes all my life, I just went tubeless this very weekend, with my Bontrager wheels. I had absolutely no problem using a normal floor pump... and I also just added the sealant (Silca) through the valve with no issues.
I for sure hope it works when I get my first hole!
How did you get it through the valves? Did the fibres not block it up?
@@SpinAnGrin I did not experience any blocking at all - Maybe because I did not know that I should not use a syringe 🙂
I always use Schwalbe Doc Blue, in both road and MTB tyres, never had a problem, amazed at what it has sealed, and you can pour it through the valve.
Not a brand I've heard of before, will check it out
@@SpinAnGrin it’s from Schwalbe, the tyre manufacturer.
@@SpinAnGrin It's the same as stans, the normal one, not the race.
Did you know that depending on the size of the puncture, you may have to also use some sort of insert, like bacon bits, I think they are called. It will allow the sealant to work. I've had no issues with Stans which is what I use on my mountain bike in the past.
I do have some but honestly the holes have been too small to even attempt to insert them
Bacon strips don't work well over 50psi. Dyna plugs are the way to go for road bikes
@SpinAnGrin dynaplugs are fatter than bacon strips. They have a tapered cone you push through the tire and the hole tightly grabs the plug. The same thing happens with bacon strips but road pressures are so high that they tend to get spit out
I've got some on order 🤞
Hey SpinAnGrin, love your video. I started using tubeless for about a year now since I bought a Gravel bike. Never used tubeless before and since run clinchers on my road bikes. I had no idea what I was doing with tubeless and spoke to a local bike shop, they recommended Muc-Off and I haven't had a problem with the stuff. I find tubeless tires themselves more a pain in the arse then the sealant. For example tubeless tires are a pain to seat for some reason. I was out the local NP and hit a small rock at speed. It didn't puncture or pierce the tire, but rather pushed the air out. I checked and double checked the tire it was good. I put more air in and the tire slowly went down. I had to do this all the way home where I put more sealant in the tire. I little sealant came out from the bead and then sealed. Its fine since.
Ye they can be pain. They definitely aren't as supple as the none TLR tyres to get on and off the rim I've found
You speak to me from the soul I will get myself Silca too. For the moment I messed around with Schwalbe Doc Blue and got 50:50 results. Well on a ride far away from home 50:50 ain't good enough though. So thanks a bunch for sharing your experiences. Ride on!
Fingers crossed for you on the next ride then
Was you using it inside of tube ? Was you able to repair the tube with patch kit while using Schwalbe Doc Blue in it ?
@@Temporalplace Sealant is for tubeless only. I use Silca only now and try to buy the most puncture resistant tires in order not to use the sealant in the first place.
@@user-rw3li6iw6f Not all sealants are for tubeless, doc blues are for tubes not for tires, google it.
Very different experience with silca for me. Tried it on my gravel tires that I have been using for years with Stan’s sealant. Whenever I would get a puncture Stan’s would successfully seal it. But I decided to try silca anyways and the sealant dried up inside the tire within 2 weeks. I topped it off with the silca replenisher and that dried up quickly too. So when I removed the tire to clean it up and put Stan’s back in I found a big silca rubber snail inside. Could it be that both the silca sealant and the replenisher were faulty? Not sure but once I went back to my old sealant in the same tire its been working as it should.
I know it does dry up and creates almost a skin inside the tire. From experience, you have to make sure there is enough In the tire. That normally means you can hear it sloshing around at time.
Interesting that so many people rate the Stans. Maybe I did something wrong with it.
I’ve had the same experience. Silca would not seal and I used the replenisher. In the end both tires had problems. When I took them off I found a ball in each made up of the carbon fibers. A real nightmare. It was Stan’s after that and had no issues since. Much prefer the ride of TL. The one thing I recommend though - if you’re close to a mechanic, have them do it. Or, buy a small compressor. The canister pumps work with some rim/ tire combinations but not all. I made much more a mess during first attempt than what’s depicted in the video.
Sounds like you should just stick to inner tube. The main advantage of tubeless is supposedly the ability to seal the puncture. If that doesn't work for you, then it really defeat the purpose of using tubeless or sealant.
Tubeless can save you on many occasions without you even noticing where you would have had to change a tube so I fully disagree, tubeless is miles better overall.
I'm running the muc-off valve stems and silica sealant and my front tire specifically clogs the valve core with sealant that I end up changing it out every 5 rides or so, just completely gunked up no matter what I try position wise when storing it. I'm about to give up
I've had that happen also. When inflating the tyre it pushed the sealant into the valve. I also, have found a solution for the glue
Running Orange Seal and I have a substantial hole in my gravel tires that it has sealed, twice. I got a nail in an ENVE SES tire and it sealed quite nicely and a metal fastening screw in a GP5000TL tire that was replaced as removing the screw destroyed the tire.
I use Orange Seal Endurance for MTB.
I’ve had bad experience with Stan’s. Stan’s race seemed to be a bit better.
Totally agree on the mess created, even when one is being extra careful not to create any in the first place. I recently had to chuck two perfectly good tyres, because I just couldn't remove the dried on, crusty old sealant inside them. I've gone back to inner tubes for the foreseeable future.
apparently those old school heavy duty rubbers/erasers do a pretty good job but still a lot of elbow grease needed!
Rubber gardening gloves also work but it's a real hassle
I am useing Stans for like 3 1/2 years on my Gravel, i haven't had it fail me yet in around 19000Km, it always sealed the puncture. After getting a ton of flats last year, i allso started goin tubeless on my roadbike, with no problems till yesterday...i got a big cut in the sidewall, stans tryed too seal it, but that "hole" was just too big ;-)
Toping off like all 3 months is not a big deal, and im staying tubeless. Got like 6000Km this year, on both bikes, with no issues other than the cut yesterday.
Tubeless is great, used Stans race sealent for 3 years, 8000 miles, always got home.
This season I tried Muc-off; the puncture was a pinhole on the tread, not the side wall. Long story short, I carried the wrong size valve/ spare tube and had to walk 5 miles home. I will not repurchase Muc-off. I didn't realize this, but I was an early adopter of Tubeless; for awhile, I've been looking left and right to see if others were experiencing the maintenance downside -- well, it appears we are at peak "tired of the maintenance." I had a blowout b/c I didn't add fresh sealant, no severe injuries, but you can imagine how spectacular that crash was. Thanks for sounding the alarm.
Jeez, I bet that was scary to actually have a blow out. The stuff just doesn't appear to work, I'll be staying away from it for good
Good summary! What sort of pressures are you running? I run Stans (the normal stuff, not race) in mine, the smallest I'll go is 28mm, any less than that and the benefit of lower pressure is overcome by needing to run higher pressure because of the volume. I run up to 50psi in my 28's on normal chip seal road, I am 80kg of rider and bike. On my preferred 32's I run 42 to 48 psi. I've found the stans works reliably, 3 punctures in 20k plus km, one was too big for the sealant but a bacon plug sorted that out nicely. The Silca is pretty amazing and I would recommend that for anyone running road tires >60psi pressures. Yes it's a bit more of a faff but I enjoy tinkering and really don't find it onerous. I'll take a little time for the comfort it provides.
I run similar pressures to yourself, 55/60 PSI on 28mm tires. Then around 30psi on my 33mm gravel tires. I find those are the sweat spots for me
An excellent advert for not using tubeless. So what are the pros that might make the negatives worthwhile?
Honestly, running the lower tire pressure on the road alone makes it worthwhile for me. But I also ride on some pretty rubbish roads.
On gravel, the lower pressure is a must for me. But the specific advance is not getting pinch flats in a tube when you hit rocks at speed.
@@SpinAnGrin I bought a Giant that came set up tubeless 32mm. Even running at 50psi the tyres felt wooden and no better than tubed. I switched to 28mm Pirelli Cinturato which are better but not much different feel from tubed at 60psi. I’m thinking of putting tubes in them just to avoid the hassle of a serious puncture miles from home. I’ve not had a pinch flat running 25c or bigger but I don’t ride off road.
If I only cycled on the roads, I would put in TPU tubes and be done with it. Like you said, it's much of a much ness with feel.
My prior giant always had a harsh ride but that had a ISP so I put it down to that.
My new gravel bike has tubeless which I’ve never used before. The minor annoyance is pumping the tyres every few days as it starts to lose some air. Is that normal? It’s only a minor hindrance though. The sealant is some Giant sealant that came with the bike. I’ve had the bike 3 months and after thinking I’d a puncture a few days ago I discovered I’d no sealant left so I topped it up. It turns out I’d not tightened the nut on the valve and lost a lot of air. I had two small bottles with just the right amount for each tyre. There was very little mess and the few drops on the wheel were easily cleaned off. I don’t know how good it is as a sealant yet, but I”m sure I’ll find out.
Some are prone to leaking air however personally, with Silca I very seldomly have to top them up.
It's normally a bit of a sign that there might not be enough sealant in there.
@@SpinAnGrin The bike shop said I’d need to add a wee bottle every three months, roughly, and that the bottle would be the right amount. I was advised to keep the wee bottles and buy a big bottle and just fill the wee bottles when it comes time to top them up, to save money. They said I shouldn’t need to pump my tyres that often but I definitely do. I’ll talk to them tomorrow about it. Cheers.
I’ve been using Silca for 2 years now. I only had 3 punctures since then. All of them sealed effectively. I usually top up the sealant every 4 months.
Same experience with muc-off, never seals, even the tiniest hole. Am also using Silca now, so far so good.
Sounds like a good result
Great video. Are you going back to tube? I agree with you that sealant is a mess, but muc off seams working fine with me. Matter of fact, I am thinking about using tube in next summer
On road, I'm now using TPU tubes. In gravel, I'm using Silca sealant with around 80ml per tire
I use Muc Off sealant and it has worked for me, although I also generally use a plug also if a puncture doesn't seal within a few revolutions. It is a major pain to get off the frame when you get home.
Also noticed you didn't seem to clean out the Muc Off sealant before adding the Silca...mixing products is generally a bad idea in case they react.
I use FlatOut Sportsman inside of a tube. It works with tubeless too. It has kevlar fibers that physically plug the puncture. It stays liquid and is easy to wash off. I've hit big construction screws and nails, had them sticking out the tire and i'm still riding. its crazy. Its saved me an unbelievable amount of time and hastle , so many flats. The FlatOut product itself does have a bit of weight to it though, but i bet the dosage would be low for a road tire. Works great with fat tires, ive had a few times with 29er / 700C tires where it didnt work. OH and for products that DON'T work, slime tubes!! I'm like 0 for 5 on slime tubes. never again
Which country are you based out of? Can't say I've heard of those brands in Australia at all before but always keen to try something if I can find it
I’ve use both Muc-Off and Stans Race on both road and MTB without issues at all.
My riding group also uses Muc-off and share a 5L jug and none have had issues either.
Not sure what you may doing wrong as both Muc-off and Stan’s race has been effective with our experience.
I can’t comment in Silca as I have not tired, but no doubts it will work well as I’ve had great success with their other products
Maybe I'm just unlucky at this point
Stans worked great in my MTB for ten years. Started running Orange Seal in my gravel bike last year and have not had a single issue (6000 miles). Recently set up the road bike tubeless, (Orange Seal ) and it has been great so far. In over 10K miles of riding I have only had to use plugs twice (on MTB), and only had one hole that was too large for a plug.
Happy Muc-Off user here, no issues for me so far. I've actually switched from a different brand (latex based sealant) which was also OK in terms of sealing the punctures, but I was tired of cleaning the inside of the tires from the sticky residues. Muc-Off is leaving some "chalky" residue instead (which is very easy to remove). So, now I'm using Muc-Off in two bikes. One is a gravel bike with Panaracer GravelKings SK 43 mm. These tyres are not a perfect combination with the rims, slightly loose on the rim bed and hard to seal without the compressor, but it is regardless of which sealant is used. In my MTB it's a completely different story, the tight fit of the Schwalbe Nobby Nics 2.6" on the rim results as sealing on the rim (and holding air) even without any sealant. Anyway, as for the effectiveness of Muc-Off: just 2 or 3 weeks ago I had a puncture from a big thorn in my front tyre (that Schwalbe NN in my MTB) and the pressure dropped from 1.2 I normally use to 0.6 bars (checked with Topeak digital gauge that I always have with me). Pumped up to a little higher pressure, turned the wheel few times and it has sealed after 15 seconds (the pressure dropped a little bit of course). Pumped up again to the usual pressure and Bob's your uncle. Most of the time I don't even notice that there was some puncture, only after getting back home (and doing some inspection or cleaning the bikes) I can see some wet spots on the tyres as the evidence of the fact that there was some puncture.
Wow, you're genuinely the first person that I know of that has successfully used muc off. I'm not sure what it is but I genuinely can't get it to work with road tyres.
Maybe it needs the larger volume of air to help seal? That's the only thing I can think of at this point 🤷
@@SpinAnGrinwhat pressure do you use on your tires ?
28mm tires I run around 55 PSI. My 38mm panaracer slicks I ran around 35 PSI. These have been over 2 different wheel set combinations. Not sure what I would be doing wrong.
The Silca being latex based is a pain, but it just works I find.
@@SpinAnGrin thank you for your answer 🙏
@SpinAnGrin Some sealants only work at MTB-ish pressures. Muc-Off is probably one of them, like Stan's is. Stan's will seal up nicely below about 45 psi, but at road bike pressures, you might as well use actual milk.
Orange is the only sealant that can seal at ~70+ psi, in my experience (have not tried "glue" ).
Maybe because I use MTB tires but even with inserts I mount them with a regular floor pump on my flat, (no garage available), and I have one nail crossed from the side wall to the tread and seal it up... I came home, deflate, clean and put a regular tube patch on the tire and they are still running.
Woah, that's a win either way you look at it
@@SpinAnGrin yes! I forgot to mention that I have been using Stans fluid.
SILCA sealant is great and they also have a special sealant remover that will lift the sealant off rims, tires, frames etc. great products
Thanks, didn't know they had a remover
I know this is REAL based on how upset everyone is who runs tubeless and the sealant fails...depression at 9W Market :) keeping my tubes
Kinda like why I still have my black & white tv that I watch my VHS movies one. Who wants to deal with all those 4k problems?
@@LouieBaLLz Not even close to be analogous.
@@stephensaines7100 No shit, Sherlock! I bet you sat at the teachers desk as a kid
Muc off works for me on my rene herse endurance casing tires.
But silca seems interesting. !
Heard lots of good things about those tires but I'm yet to try them. Not easily available I've found
@@SpinAnGrin they are good but not perfect.
There are always trade offs.
But they do provide a tad more comfort🙂.
They do have a tendency to be a nightmare to get them seated on some rims!
Ah and sealant wise i always add double the recommended amount on a clean install and apply a fair portion on the bead of the tire before seating them.
Its helps seat and seal the bead when installing on some tires/ rim combinations.
Good to know, I always find the larger tires a little tricky to seat first time around
Ive had an awful experience with silca. It always clogged up my valves and it dried up too fast on me. Within a month, it was completely dry. I switched back to orange seal and haven't had a problem since. Never had a problem with it not sealing.
Glue doing glue things 😅
I feel Muc off sealant is best for lower pressure tires like MTB or Gravel. I tried Muc off before for my road bike and couldn't seal small cuts.
Running Stan´s in my 47mm Gravel tires, and had no issue whatsoever. >Was also surprised at the ease with which I have completed the setup using just a floor pump. Been riding pavement, gravel, doubletrack, light singletrack and also some pretty chunky and sharp stuff. If there were any punctures, they were of the kind that I haven´t even noticed. Checking and topping up the sealant 3-6 months. Best decision I´ve ever made.
When it works, it really is great stuff
I bought a bike set up as tubeless and had so many issues that I simply went back to inner tubes. I don’t have a garage and have no desire to spend my weekends doing this!
I have run the Muc-Off sealant with Gravel Kings Slick 38s for the last 4 months and it has sealed without issue.
I use the Sealant from muc-off. I ran over a pretty big nail just yesterday, and it sealed perfectly. pulled it out, and squirted out some sealant, but in a matter of milliseconds, it sealed everything just fine. I probably rode 3-5k Kilometers on their sealant. I always recommend their sealent, and never heard of a friend, to whom I recommended it, that they had a problem. all say it works like a charm on their bikes.
Just glad to hear that it's work for someone
Ultralight tubes and waxed chains are my new love on the quest for less maintenance. If a tubeless tire and rim are a terrible match, I'll spend $100 to try a new tire (usually Schwable). I tried Vittoria and had a similar experience that you had with Silca; it comes out the value due to clogging. The mess of Tubeless is atrocious. Now you can do foam inserts with tubeless to increase the frustration.
I'm 2 weeks into running a Silca waxed chain and so far I'm a fan. Mainly because of how quiet they are
Tubeless has been a godsend for me. The lower pressure is a noticeably more comfortable ride and I can rail corners with more confidence. The road I ride on often has little glass shards and debris littered throughout. I used to get punctures often with clinchers, and I didn't mind changing the tubes out. But it's been over 2 years since I've had to stop during a ride since switching to tubeless. ~5k miles per yr. I have had several cuts that sealed instantly and I was able to get home. Additionally, I notice my tires gather less nicks and cuts in them with the lower pressure as well. I'm using Stan's regular. I'm never going back to clinchers.
Interesting. I do also wonder if the tubeless tires help vs the normal tires before as they're sturdier tires 🤷
I know MTB is different, but mine had been set to tubeless 4 years ago and I did not do anything with it since than, only set the right pressure time to time.
Do you have to top it up much?
Did you pour that Silca stuff over the Muc off sealant? 😲
Sure did. Never had any issues doing that before
I bought a new Continental Grand Prix 5000 S tubeless on 5/15/23 (rear). My front tire is a Mavic tubeless which are no longer available. I had 1 or 2 punctures in each tire that sealed up fine (orange sealant). I rode about 2400 miles during this time, and 8/3/23 the Conti lost air pressure but didn't go flat. Took it in to my LBS and they said the sealant had almost dried up due to the hot summer weather. I replaced the Conti with a new tire and had them top off the sealant in both tires. I run 78 psi in the front tire and 80 psi in the rear. I like how the tubeless tires feel on the road. I rode for 3 months and never had to fix a flat and the roads are pretty bad here in San Diego county. That said, running tubes is less expensive and it's easier to fix your own flats.
That's some good distance on that setup
As a MTBer that now also does gravel, I've found that the biggest difficulty in getting gravel tyres to seal is the back of available air in the tyre for the sealant to work. Sometimes 10 seconds of escaping air isn't long enough for sealant to build up and cure.
Still, I do find it's worth running tubeless on my gravel bike with 47mm tyres. Any skinnier and I likely wouldnt bother.
I just put my finger on the puncture and let the air escape slowly until it seals
On the wknd I got a small puncture on a brand new gravel tire and Silca didn’t seal it. I’m beyond a tinkerer so got going easily but wife was amazed that such a small hole didn’t seal.
Interesting to hear that, also surprised it didn't seal
@@SpinAnGrin I’m not giving up on Silca. This was the 1st flat after years of usage.
How does that sealent work if you have to let som air out?
It can clog the valves but I normally find as long as you do it when the bike is upright, and the valve is at 12 o'clock then you'll be fine
WTB sealant have worked fine with my gravel tires.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It seems like you still have hair B4 going tubeless!
Probably attributed towards it 🤣
I enjoy tinkering with my bikes to a degree, but I have no interest in going tubeless. It's a bridge too far in tinkering terms. Using tubes is not messy, not expensive, and not frustrating, I can change out a tube in just a few minutes (even with Continental tires), and when I inflate the new tube it I know it's going to seat the tire and hold air. I'm not saying I like having a mid-ride puncture -- nobody does. But if I do have one, I know there's damage that needs fixing, and I can fix it. Tubeless, if it works right, masks damage until it no longer can, then it fails utterly, and unless you were carrying a tube anyway, you're screwed.
Exactly! When tubeless goes wrong, especially out on the road, its a massive pain to deal with
Tubes are a pain when you get multiple flats per ride in the middle of nowhere. That's what got me onto tubless 8 years ago, it was MTB though.
@@MrUnl0rdI think this is the key. For a road bike, I don’t see any real reason to go tubeless. In mountain biking, there are many reasons to go tubeless. The two biggest ones are to avoid multiple punctures on a ride and the ability to run lower tire pressures for extra grip. Road bikes run much higher tire pressures and want lower rolling resistance, so there goes that.
@@dvs620what he just said made me tubeless in my road bike. I am 105 kgs and i got punctures almost every ride let’s say 8/10 rides. Now that i am tubeless, i never experienced flat tire anymore, been riding daily for 50km a day, with the road condition where there is pothole everywhere, i don’t need to slow down because of potholes, i enjoy my ride riding with a lesser psi, very comfortable. I use stans, it is not pain in the ass to clean, unlike that silica, it destroys rims, so i tend to go for stans, i bring plugs incase of bigger circular holes, and i also bring extra innertube just incase sealant wont work. My very problem with tube is the snake bites, where you cannot use patch to it, i need to go in vulcanizing shop for that. So now im tubeless, im very confident to ride anywhere.
@@TeacherNickoy what do you mean it destroys rims, it hardens too much to be able to clean it properly, or something else?
So tubeless tires are a solution to what problem, exactly? They still get flats and it's often messy. How is that better than patching or changing a tube? In what situations does tubeless make sense and in what does it not?
I used stans and e thirteen sealant so far without issues. In my experience the problem is not the sealant but the rimtape. For everything else but MTB tires its a complete gamble if it holds the air.
Stan’s “RACE” for few years now. No issues as long as I top up every 4 months or so depending & pour heaps straight into the gap in the tyre. Do not pour into cup or use syringe or you lose most of the chunky fibres and shake really well. Cheers
Thank for the tip. I always thought Silca was the only one you need to pour in but evidently not
Wow, you're getting by with 4 months of riding using the Race version? Stan's wording to inspect the Race sealant every 2-3 weeks scared me off from purchasing it.
I have to agree Silca Tubeless Sealant is the best so far for sealing holes on my road bike tyres and its a mess inserting it into the tyre and when cleaning the tyre for fresh dose of sealant.
As long as it works, that's all I care about now
@@SpinAnGrin Agree 100%
Silca now make a sealant clean up spray. Its awesome.
On a longer ride, cover a small rag in the clean up spray and put it in a zip lock bag.
Dyna plugs will change your life. The best companion for running tubeless.
That doesn't surprise me that they have come.uo with another product 😅
I'm going hunting for this now, thank you.
The plugs are really good. When a hole is too big, it will fill the gash, and the sealant will do the rest.
Great review - thank you for reminding me that I do not employ a full time bicycle mechanic.
I did consider tubless, but not any more.
It definitely comes with a learning curve
I tried a TPU tube and was surprised how little it weighs. It worked on the first install and they now even make patches for them. Why bother with sealant, which is heavier, more expensive and messier? How often does one even get a pinch flat in road cycling? The lowest pressure we use is probably around 65 PSI. Tubeless may have some advantages for large volume, low pressure tires, but for road it doesn't have much. Moreover, there is a recent video on how the combination of road tubeless on a hookless rim can be distasterous -- even when it is installed according to manufacturer directions.
I think I saw the same video
This is good to know. I recently paid a local bike shop to set up a new set of carbon wheels and Pirelli tires as a tubeless system and they used Muckoff sealant. The front tire was low on air the next day so when I went to take the valve cap off to add some air to the tire all the sealant blew out of the valve because they never tightened down the valve core when they installed it. Now I have to have a tube in that tire because I refuse to pay them over $100 to screw it up again.
Ye that doesn't sound good. It's definitely a love hate relationship with tubeless that's for sure. Best of luck with the setup
Sealents are not developed yet for the high pressure of road bike tires. I had mixed results with stans over a couple of years. It would seal at around 3 bar or 40psi. Tubeless works great for MTB and to a certain extent for gravel, but the sealant that works for 25psi does not work for 80 to 100psi.
I'm sure something new will be marketed soon to us all for road use at high PSI
I use stans with no issues. Never tried muc off although my mate swears by on his mtb. Great video. Like you say its not for everyone. Something else to add if you have to put tube in out on ride there is likely to be thorns/ glass etc stuck to inside of tyre from previous pictures that will just pop tube straight away. Another thing is depending on wheel and tyre combo you may not get tyre to seat out on ride . Sometimes you need a chamber of high volume of air . So your ride is over in this case.
Yes, great points
If you’re running heavy tyres with added puncture protection, run tubes.
If you want speed and are running lighter supple tyres, tubeless is a must.
Stans standard sealant is the best and the only sealant I’ll use. Never had a problem with it.
Sounds like you need to carry dynaplugs to plug larger holes.
How much sealant did you add per tyre out of curiosity. The Stans just never fully sealed for me when I get a small hole (2mm)
@@SpinAnGrin1 x stans small 2oz (59ml) bottle per tyre.
Yeah I have tried muc off, and it has never worked. Before watching this video I was thinking of giving it another try, after my years supply of Silica runs out. For sure its easier to clean out the mucoff than silica. Mucoff is also more likely to spurt in your face than Silica. Silica sealant replenisher can be injected into the valve. A good tool to also have is dynaplug to deal with the harder to seal holes
Lots of recommendations from people here about Stans. That can also be injected to make.it easier. But I just trust Silca at this point
I keep going back to Stans race sealant, it just seems to work for me. Best purchases I made was an Airshot tyre inflator because I already had a decent track pump so didn't need a new one with built in high pressure tank, the other one was a Dyna plug 'race' version for larger cuts. The biggest mistake people make when getting a puncture is constantly trying to inflate the tyre to 80+ psi! You have to ride with a softer tyre till the sealant has sealed, you also need to rotate the wheel so the hole is at the bottom to get some sealant to it then rotate it back round so you don't keep leaking sealant, give it a couple of minutes, then set off riding and top up with air as needed but DON'T inflate too hard or you'll just undo the 'glue' before it's fully dried. Hope this helps people.
Very guilty before of getting a hole and keeping it at the top of the wheel for too long to look at it and wonder why it's not sealing 🤣
I installed a tubeless setup, I run sealant for a week and ride around, then remove. I run my tires dry and in my emergency kit, I carry a little bottle to solve any puncture issues. Enough pound to get me home and patch. Running dry, I dont have shit spraying everywhere and I focus the sealant on where it needs to be when off the bike.
That's interesting, I've never heard anyone do it like that but it makes sense
I just use a syringe with a llttle tube down the valve core to suck it out.@@SpinAnGrin
I’ve purchased replacement tubes with Slime already in them.
Never used them before.
Haven’t installed them yet.
So it may be awhile before I discover if it’s a good investment or not
🤷♂️