The Dishonest Apostle | Was Paul Caught in a Lie?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2023
- According to his letters, Paul felt the need to defend himself against accusations of financial deception. If we look through his own words, will we find the deceit for ourselves?
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Paul basically in all his writings: "Look how humble I am!"
😄 basically
😆Reminded of an old joke which I am butchering here: There is a service in Synagogue. The teaching was about our humble state in front of God. A less than “stellar” attendee overcome with remorse, prostrates himself in the aisle and exclaims repeatedly, “I am nothing, God. Nothing.” There is a sympathetic murmur from the congregation. The cantor mutters side-of-mouth, “Oh, look who thinks he’s nothing!”.
He didn’t invent the humblebrag, but he knew how to use it.
"Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble....when you're perfect in every way" Anyone else get that song stuck in their head? lol
That is a false accusation. The breaking of the 9th. commandment of the moral law of God.
“Robbing Peter to pay Paul” now makes 100% sense!
That's true. I'd really love to see where the saying originated from
Is that a simple truth.
@@mikeymik2 Is this a question?
@@AliciatheCho You wrote it.
In 1st Corinthians 9, Paul was referring to money that you earn for YOURSELF, not for preaching the gospel. This is evident in the examples he gives, as the people in the examples use the money for THEMSELVES.
In 2nd Corinthians 11, Paul is referring to money that he uses to pay for traveling. This is evident in how he refers to other churches supporting him in order to serve others.
He’d have no reason to lie about his money in 1st Corinthians 9 as he could easily make money there and get away with it while getting charitable money like in 2nd Corinthians 11 to help pay for travels.
Paul was in prison while in Philippi. He didn’t ask for the gift but they did it anyway because they loved him that much. Paul didn’t take money from them for HIMSELF, rather it was for his ministry. He pointed out the example of the Macedonians refusing to pay for his travels (Philip. 4:15-16), so the Philippians did it instead, and they did it again with Epaphroditus. The money was for Paul’s ministry, not for him.
Paul was way before his time. He would have made a great modern day politician 😁
He went from persecuting them, to being the one who basically carried it over the finish line after the original adherents died off. Yep, it's almost trumpian.
Paul is is is a modern day politician.
@@jamesarnette1394 The OG of gaslighting, over promising, and under delivering. Which should be the definition of religion, really. All of them, they all suck, and should be abolished.
Tyler, you say that like ancient politicians weren't even worse. Amazingly. As horrible as mid-20th century politicians were at their worst, that's about as bad as 1st century ones. It's honestly impressive.
"modern day politician"
or he'd made a modern day cheating - lying - televangelist making himself rich in the loving name of jesus.
Sounds like Paul would have founded a mega church if he were around today.
LOL, Paul would tell them to mail there $1,000 donation & prayer request to the address on the screen. Oh, no TVs yet, well, you know what I'm saying.
Paul has his megachurch, Roman Catholic.
@@manuelcastaneda7838Jesus Christ started Catholicism. You are typing and absent from the lord
@@manuelcastaneda7838😂 protestantism bar none!
So he was a televangelist before tv was invented. Got it LOL
You read my mind, man. I was thinking that maybe the televangelists realized what Paul was doing and realized the potential for getting rich off of preaching.
Then again, maybe I’m giving them too much credit. Doesn’t matter if they understand the Bible or not, really. As long as they’re good manipulators who can spin a good yarn.
Why couldn't miracle man Saul miraculously invent a television.
You know you can trust a guy who has to say "I am telling the truth, I am not lying" multiple times in his letters to people with doubts about whether he was telling the truth and not lying.
LOL i'm sayin!
The Bible says so, so it must be true. /s 😅
@@kmurphy0620The napkin religion is the one true religion. It says so on this napkin.
How do we know you are not lying?
@@Justas399 Because, like Paul, he told you so.
Lest we forget, the big reason we know Paul was honest, modest, and hard working is because Paul so frequently told us so. Because Paul was Paul's biggest fan and advocate. I honestly don't see how there's 10 cents of difference between Paul and men like Joseph Smith. He's a dude who never once met Jesus, but claimed to be speaking on Jesus' behalf. He just claims to have had a vision. How is that any different from any number of men who up and started religions? How do we know he wasn't a con man? How do we know he was mentally stable? Half the world just sort of blindly followed what the dude said.
He is a self-made man who worships his maker. This was said by Benjamin D'Israeli about John Gladstone.
The biggest difference between Paul and Joseph Smith is time. Since Joseph Smith existed during a period where there was a lot of literacy, many people left writings about him, many of which are not complementary. Paul had the advantage of being remembered through a few letters - at least some of them of dubious authenticity or outright frauds, all of them edited by unknown hands - and he had a powerful church backing him that made sure that only their narrative survived.
Paul believed in Jesus Christ and Joseph smith made a religion that blasphemed God. There’s such a great difference
@@jrwtutor I was raised in the Mormon church. My parents were married in the Manti Temple shortly before I was born. As a result, I am very familiar with the Profit (intentional misspelling) Joey Smith. A good read on him is Fawn McKay Brodie's "No Man Knows My History". Ms. Brodie was a niece of Mormon prophet David O. McKay and therefore intimately acquainted with the workings and history of Mormonism. It must have been embarrassing for a prophet to have his niece excommunicated for heresy. I myself renounced voluntarily my faith. I am now atheist. Joey Smith has one of the most educated and powerful churches of our age for his backing. As with most churches, his history is carefully concealed and "packaged" for selling to credulous folks. Point blank: the guy was a crook and a fraud.
@@holotrout Not as much as you would like to think. Paul was responsible for stripping the Jewish character from Christianity, opening it to the gentiles and spreading his specific form all over. When the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 and burned the Temple, Judaism took a big hit and had to change to survive as a religion without its most sacred site. Paulian Christians had no problem with this and thus they became the dominant form of Christianity (which, of course, fractured into various forms).
Jews of the time would have considered Paul to be a blasphemer in the same way you feel about Joseph Smith.
This badass woman is No Joke. Mad Respect. Not a lot of people (except, Richard Carrier, Christopher Hitchens, and the Mythvision) get me to think and understand religion the way she throws it down like that. Mad respect to homegirl. EFFING BADA$$.
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She may look that way, until you actually do some research on her claims.
Same, you summed it up.
@@nicholastrudeau7581I mean, she provides the source material on screen. And nothing she says seems to oppose the Biblical scholarship.
@@nicholastrudeau7581 Since the bible is based on fictional stories and here-say passed down over generations before it was even written down, research means nothing. You may as well research Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings. You'll get just as much truth out of those.
Paul’s self-serving financial sophistry. He was already well on his way to preach the prosperity gospel. Had private jets existed then I doubt he would not have succumbed to temptation.
There's a modern-day Paul (pastor) with net worth of $760 million, private jets, mansions, yachts. Corrupt empire.
Paul Osteen
You have believed a lie.
@@christophergibson7155 Take the Branches out of Thine Own 🌿👁☘️
@@_eLz_ Benny $inn Ministries
Since I read the Bible for the first time when I was 11 I distrusted Paul! Now I realize that I'm not the only one. I like very much your videos!
Try Paul out again!
All it took was reading the whole Christian Bible and you realize that Jesus is just a profit and Paul lied in order to make money, because none of the ones who hung around with Jesus said he was a Son of God the only son, the only thing you have is written by allegedly man named John which was a hundred years after death.... Many suspect it was Paul anyway😂
Very astute for an 11 year old and I was more adults were as astute, but they'd rather give away their children's future and money in order to be given a hope😢
@@holotroutwhich bits? The bits that he actually wrote? Or the bits that were added in, 300 years later? Do you want to keep the bits from paul that contradict what Jesus taught? The church has largely chosen paul over Jesus. The results are not good. Look at calvin. Murdered over 100 thousand people, thinking he was doing God's work.
I was brought up calvinist. The never taught us that about him.. all we knew was that we were right, and predestined and chosen... And that we were hideous horrors of sinners, even as babies.
I wonder how much child abuse flourished in that attitude? Cause it can be justified with that kind of thinking.
How about we give red print another try, and leave paul out of it? He has some great quotables, but makes a dangerous theologian.
You say: “Paul had to defend himself from people calling him a liar several times, so he was probably a liar.”
Let’s use your logic.
I say: “You’ve had to defend yourself from Christians accusing you of only wanting to enjoy your sin several times, so you’re probably a liar.”
Also, Christianity was a very controversial religion in the 1st Century. It wasn’t popular like it is today, they thought it was horrendous (1st Cor. 1:23). They likely would’ve thought Paul was lying.
You yourself know that the Old Testament warned against false prophets, you know which verses I mean. Therefore, it is likely many would accuse Paul of being a false prophet, especially with how controversial Christianity was.
Finally, the things that Paul was accused of lying about; they could easily check up on him and he was well aware of this (watch Apologetics Squared’s videos on Paul’s reliability).
In 1st Corinthians 9, Paul was referring to money that you earn for YOURSELF, not for preaching the gospel. This is evident in the examples he gives, as the people in the examples use the money for THEMSELVES.
In 2nd Corinthians 11, Paul is referring to money that he uses to pay for traveling. This is evident in how he refers to other churches supporting him in order to serve others.
He’d have no reason to lie about his money in 1st Corinthians 9 as he could easily make money there and get away with it while getting charitable money like in 2nd Corinthians 11 to help pay for travels.
Paul was in prison while in Philippi. He didn’t ask for the gift but they did it anyway because they loved him that much. Paul didn’t take money from them for HIMSELF, rather it was for his ministry. He pointed out the example of the Macedonians refusing to pay for his travels (Philip. 4:15-16), so the Philippians did it instead, and they did it again with Epaphroditus. The money was for Paul’s ministry, not for him.
Seems to me Paul was doing what we refer to today as "gaslighting"!
I always read the four gospels but somehow I just couldn’t take on the writings of Paul.
What did you think about the four gospels?
Same. The Gospels give us at least a glimpse of what the person of Jesus must have been like, and James gives us an idea of what a more Jewish Christianity might have looked like: a strong focus on ethics, forgiveness, humility, mercy, non-retaliation, and service to the poor, all as an expression of loving God and neighbor. Instead, we got the mythologized God-man that Paul seems to have mostly invented out of whole cloth -- the teacher and sage reduced to a proxy blood sacrifice to keep you out of hell.
@@3ggshe11s What if I told you that all three perspectives are complementary and it is possible to arrive at a synthesis? But not if you think like you do now.
Paul would rather die than not be able to boast? I didn’t know that. That’s the end of the “nobody would die for a lie” apologetic. If a lie allowed Paul to boast, he’d rather die than admit the lie, that’s what he’s telling us
You're on to something there!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore, I will most gladly boast in all of my infirmities so that the power of Christ might dwell in me." 2nd Corinth 12:9
I think people presume that Paul is talking about boasting in his successes and would rather die than not be able to do that when really he's talking about boasting in his weaknesses and would rather die than not be able to do that..
@@connerredel9971 I just heard this for the first time an hour ago so I’m not taking a definitive stance, but his first letter says that he wants to be about to boast and then he talks about how he doesn’t get paid, (I do intend to read the rest of that chapter but it’s only been an hour so I haven’t yet) and then your quote from his second letter weeks/ months/ years later he says I boast of my infirmities, it seems like he got an objection to his first letter and rephrased his second letter to counteract it. I’ll look into this later, but I am coming at it with a skeptical bias so if you’d like to give me a supporting narrative ahead of time I’ll take that into consideration.
That is rubbish!
Like the original Mormons, ain't them?
I know it's a double comment but I've really learned a lot over the past several weeks from you. I stopped believing a while back. And you seemed to make me feel more comfortable with that. Thanks and keep posting.
happy you're here! :)
The devil will make anyone believe this world is all we have so when we die we go down to hell with the world. Do not let the devil close your eyes and I pray Christ finds you
@@holotrout On the contrary, diving deeper into the Bible in an attempt to draw nearer to God can cause the same belief lol
@@mainaime2566 I grew up Nextdoor to a once Catholic turned atheist. I have been beyond tested and never folded and here I am trying to help you even though your lost so I pray you seek Christ and find love
@@mainaime2566 yes it can unless… Jesus calls on you to read it. If he didn’t to you then your lost and need to repent.
Paul was 100% the original Kenneth Copeland.
You watch too much TV. Paul is would be like the first J Vernon McGee "Thur the Bible" which is in over 150 different languages around the world. "Thur the Bible" get it support from USA and asked nothing from other countries. J Vernon McGee saw TV a waste of money when radio can go farther with less money.
One of the sponsors of hired mercenaries Christopath and Judas.
Anyone being compared to the evil Kenneth Copeland is downright scary. The description of Satan doesn't bring as much as Copeland does!
Original joke: A famous theologian goes to Heaven, and meets Jesus. He asks, deferentially, "I always wanted to ask you: what do think of Paul?", and Jesus answers him, "Terrific guy, really creative stuff, amazing what he wrote, but John really got the idea it in a bigger way." The theologian responds, "So John is your favorite?" Jesus replies, "Sort of, but I really like _Hey Jude_ and _Yesterday_ ...."
Love it, haha
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Good one
Sounds like Paul is saying, "I robbed Peter to pay myself." lol
😂
Thanks, Kristi! That’s very thoughtful.
I have several reasons for knowing that Paul told lies, and now this is another one.
How do you know? Or are you lying about KNOWING Paul lied?
You are only deceiving yourself.
@@christophergibson7155 Bingo!
But hey, at least Liz is self-assured in her self-deception.
The lack of self-awareness is staggering.
@@JimCastleberry Paul literally admitted he was a liar. So yes, we do KNOW he was a liar. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. He writes how he lies to further the christian agenda and to "win people over".
Your lack of self-reflection and critical thinking is not "staggering" but embarassing.
@@Finckelstein You are lying to claim your tendentious reading is a fact that you can KNOW. You know nothing of the sort.
Ex Muslim agnostic now
Welcome from egypt ❤
Wow!! So happy to have you here :D
Lots of respect for ex-Muslims, since it's a death sentence to admit that in some places. As an Athiest in the US, I have it easy, even in a red state.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all based on the mythology of the ancient Hebrews. It is obvious their mythology was an excuse they fabricated to justify their supremacist rhetoric. I am also an agnostic and it would be a better world if there were many more of us. Good luck to you in these troubled times brought on by the horrible mythology of the ancient Hebrews.
@@amandahuginkiss6868 yeah , who leave the islam got killed , as an Egyptian the Religious intolerance is very common among Egyptians
A lot of respect for you too
@@jezebelvibes I am so glad you replied my comment ❤
I’ve always detested Paul’s humble brags. My parents would tell me when I was younger that Paul was in prison and never complained… I’m not sure how closely they read his letters in retrospect.
He persecuted and murdered Christians until he realized he can profit from running his own scam of speaking on behalf of Jesus.
That's an outright lie.
Eh, that's Acts, which is largely regarded as late fiction.
Paul says he persecuted Jesus followers but never elaborates on what that means. As far as we know he's just lying about that too. We don't really know one way or the other.
@@rainbowkrampus exactly. Reminds me of “I used to be an atheist” lots of apologists use and rarely stands up to investigation.
And ditto the "I totally owned that atheist professor!" boasts. And Paul would rather die than stop boasting! @@pansepot1490
That’s exactly what happened. He sold the Christian’s out to the Roman’s, made the arch nemesis of Christianity into the head of Christianity. It was all very clearly a scam
This is exactly what deconstruction looked like for me. Like going to every church service, every bible study, and my own scripture reading without the preconceived ideas of who was the "good guy" and who was in the right. Allowing the "what ifs" and realizing that many of the what ifs made more sense.
Here is a "what if" that makes perfect sense. Christianity emerged during a period known as the "Second Sophistic". The Wikipedia article on this subject is introduced this way:
"The Second Sophistic is a literary-historical term referring to the Greek writers who flourished from the reign of Nero until c. 230 AD and who were catalogued and celebrated by Philostratus in his Lives of the Sophists. However, some recent research has indicated that this Second Sophistic, which was previously thought to have very suddenly and abruptly appeared in the late 1st century, actually had its roots in the early 1st century."
In Plato's Protagoras dialogue the Sophist Protagoras describes Sophists this way:
“Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.”
It seems entirely reasonable to understand this as a description of professional conmen, but it also offers an explanation as to what Plato was attempting to describe in the famous Allegory of the Cave. Protagoras is presented in Plato as an exception the above described MO since he was an admitted Sophist, however, in Plato's Theaetetus, Protagoras is described this way:
“In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.”
And this is obviously a "parallel" to the Gospel version of Christ in Mark 4:33-34:
"With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."
If it quacks like a duck...
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
_Jesus is the Messiah and the Good Shepherd. Within New Testament writings there is only one who came after Jesus and spoke as the dragon and made claim to had done what only what Revelation records the dragon did._
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
_Who was it that came and made war against the church?_
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
Acts 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Acts 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
_Paul speaks as the dragon. Paul is the voice of a stranger._
_It is Paul who came along and made “war with the remnant which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”_
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
@@KeepingWatch95
You have your context all wrong and this invalidates your interpretations and the interpretations of others that you are parroting. The proper context is found by following certain allusions and having the proper sense of how this allegory works. For example, I am sure that you are familiar with this:
"One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast." Revelation 13:3
Since the healing of a mortal head wound is an extremely rare event it makes for a perfect allusion. In this case it alludes to this passage from Josephus' Wars of the Jews:
"In the mean time, Josephus, as he was going round the city, had his head wounded by a stone that was thrown at him; upon which he fell down as giddy. Upon which fall of his the Jews made a sally, and he had been hurried away into the city, if Caesar had not sent men to protect him immediately; and as these men were fighting, Josephus was taken up, though he heard little of what was done. So the seditious supposed they had now slain that man whom they were the most desirous of killing, and made thereupon a great noise, in way of rejoicing. This accident was told in the city, and the multitude that remained became very disconsolate at the news, as being persuaded that he was really dead, on whose account alone they could venture to desert to the Romans. But when Josephus's mother heard in prison that her son was dead, she said to those that watched about her, That she had always been of opinion, since the siege of Jotapata, [that he would be slain,] and she should never enjoy him alive any more. She also made great lamentation privately to the maid-servants that were about her, and said, That this was all the advantage she had of bringing so extraordinary a person as this son into the world; that she should not be able even to bury that son of hers, by whom she expected to have been buried herself. However, this false report did not put his mother to pain, nor afford merriment to the robbers, long; for Josephus soon recovered of his wound, and came out, and cried out aloud, That it would not be long ere they should be punished for this wound they had given him. He also made a fresh exhortation to the people to come out upon the security that would be given them. This sight of Josephus encouraged the people greatly, and brought a great consternation upon the seditious." (Wars of the Jews, Chapter 13, paragraph 3)
Since Josephus was at this point aiding the Roman army it should be obvious that the "Beast" served as a metaphor for this army. With this clearly defined context, it becomes much easier to interpret the allegory that surrounds the allusion.
@KeepingWatch95 Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations
Galatians 1:15-16 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being.
The Apostle Paul was obedient to Jesus Great Commision in Matthew 28 by being baptized by Ananias in water and Paul preaching the whole will of God the canon- the entirety of scripture as Jesus also commands in the Great Commision. Both men Ananias and Paul were OBEDIENT to God's commands.
You're a messenger of satan
Here's what I think. Paul sat down one day and said, "Self, you can keep running around waging war on these people OR you can run the grift like Turek, Jdub, and Low Bar Bill." Pretty clear which way that went.
Lol! Paul didn't choose the grift life, the grift life chose paul.
@@jezebelvibes it was his calling
"A proud and haughty man-“Scoffer” is his name; He acts with arrogant pride." The Word of God has mentioned you
“I used to persecute Christians” is the first century equivalent of “I used to be an atheist”.
@@christophergibson7155 You are describing Paul. Proud, braggart, went around scoffing at how the Christians were doing their thing and telling them how to be Christian. That's what his letters are. Paul's pride.
Paul once a fanatic always a fanatic.
I never knew this about Paul. He sound like the very first televangelist! "I'm not collecting a salary! Ok, I am but I totally deserve it! God wants me to have it because I am so humble and righteous!" Hell he probably rode around in a golden chariot. Great video!
So many things about your channel and your insights are fascinating and important, but your take on Paul feels so spot on, and I've just never heard anyone else talk about this. I'm so curious to learn more.
I have worked in a southern Baptist church. And I’ll just tell you what a real eye opener that was. ALL of these people who talked the talk, well let’s just say their actions don’t always line up with the talk. Quite often they don’t. And it makes sense when you think about it because no one can realistically adhere to the ridiculous standards that religion requires.
That’s the point ma’am. We aren’t good enough to follow all the rules. He lived perfectly, sinless, was provoked and tempted, yet without sin. We couldn’t do that. That’s why we need Him. By God’s Grace we are saved through Faith; it is not of ourselves: It is the Gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast. After we are saved, we commit ourselves to being a disciple of the Lord, for there is no greater man in History than the Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless You.
@@SheepofChrist818 so you like to troll these accounts so you can correct people who agree with the content? That must be exhausting. But hey, whatever gets you into heaven 👏
@@litew8 I’m not trolling.
@@SheepofChrist818 Anyone who can't admit he could be wrong is trolling
@@juanausensi499 Could be wrong about what?
*That was **_awesome_** Kristi!*
Clearly the "god" of Paul is a transactional god. Earthly food, fragrances, physical support, in trade for "preaching the gospel". 🤣
I suspect that the Corinthian Church felt Paul was a freeloader, so then Paul first goes out of his way to say that he doesn't need _any_ earthly support: He says *"I would rather die"!*
But next he admits that he _does_ freeload from _other_ churches, just not from the Corinthian Church. He got caught freeloading!
I don't think for a moment that Paul was an honest person. 🙄
Hi Kristi! I'm glad you did this video about Paul. Even when I was a Christian I always felt there was something amiss about Paul. He and Peter were often at odds with each other. Peter is credited with founding the Catholic Church, but the Catholic Church follows the Pauline Doctrine. Not Peter or even Jesus. And I always felt suspicious about his claim of seeing a vision of Jesus and falling off his donkey. ( maybe he fell off his donkey, hit his head and saw a bright light, or maybe he made the whole thing up).
Or maybe he just made it all up
No they weren’t. The scriptures talk about the gospel being PROFITABLE to those who believe it, because God tries the heart as silver is tried. It’s spiritually discerned and Kristi doesn’t understand because the blind cannot see.
Psalm 66:10 (KJV)
For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
Zechariah 13:9 (KJV)
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.
Will a man ROB GOD? God desires all men be saved and false teachers keep people from believing, as well as people who don’t believe the truth of the gospel…It’s robbery because I would have rather preached to those who would have PROFITED from the gospel than to a church of tares. It’s actually beautiful.
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV)
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
1 Corinthians 3:7 (KJV)
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Malachi 3:8 (KJV)
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Exactly! I always thought Paul having a vision of Christ was shady as sh¡t. Essentially, he had a psychotic break or he was a huxter. I mean, how many people have or had visions of Jesus, since Paul, who weren't put in the Bible? Today, most people who claim this are either hospitalized or they are a huxter, who runs a megachurch.
@@noneofyourbusiness9635 blah blah
I can see your problem plainly. You must be born again to see and enter the Kingdom of God. If you don't do as Jesus said, you will be totally confused about the Word of God. No wonder you got all your facts really messed up about Paul, Peter, and the church.
Thanks for bringing this information about Paul to my attention. The more I learn the contents of the Bible, the better I understand that it is a man-made book.
You need to repent, (forsake your sins) and totally trust Jesus to save and rescue you from your sins. Then you will be born again by the Spirit of God. You will become a new creation in Christ. You will have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven. Then you will realize that the Holy Bible is the Word of God and complete wisdom and understanding for your life. You know, "Man shall not live by bread alone; but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
Why are you basing your experience of the Bible from misinterpretation of the life of Paul? It is the most beautiful book in the world.
I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. (Psalms 34:4) How is Kristi delivered from all of her fears?
@@christophergibson7155 Respectfully, exChristians don't buy your bullshit. You think trolling exChristians with your message of repentance will draw them back? lol. You probably feel persecuted now. I spent over 30 years believing Jesus was the Christ and rose from the grave. When I actually took the time to examine the evidence for the resurrection I was no longer convinced.
If Jesus didn't rise from the dead the whole world is still in sin and you should be pitied (1Cor 15:17,19)... except if Jesus didn't rise from the dead, Christianity isn't true and sin is a myth. I feel sorry for you... for how blind you are to the truth.
_"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."_
-Unknown
@@apostolicdoctrine101do you fear god?
I would guess that about 70% of Bible stories are pure fiction, particularly in the Old Testament.
These stories had many different authors, each with their own views, and many are ancient myths.
The OT vicious God figure was certainly made up in man's likeness, and is completely different to the God of perfect love, that Jesus teaches .
He also teaches that it is impossible that a perfect God could have created an imperfect world of earthquakes, viruses, predators, disease and death.
This is so obvious, that only a fool could believe He did.
Paul sounds like the first televangelist!!😂😂
The Council of Nicaea cut out the next verse where Paul tells them god wants him to have a Learjet.
A new lear jet. lol
Kristy, great video as always! I'm a retired Mental Health professional, and Paul has been something of an obsession with me for a while now. My official diagnosis of him is firstly antisocial personality disorder, along with probably narcissistic personality disorder and with a touch of paranoia stirred in just for the flavoring. I hope someday to write a book on this, but I've got other things going on as well. Keep on making these great videos, I will love them very much.
That's neat. You never met they guy, but being a true professional mental health profession, you pull a big diagnosis outta your ass and slander away. Great stuff.
I'm guessing you're an atheist. Morally bankrupt and divorced from accountability.
Wow, I hope you accomplish this work. Sounds very interesting!! I believe that there should be a cognitive/psychological analytical scientific approach to such self acclaimed religious cult leaders like Paul, Joseph Smith, Mani, Muhammed, etc. I would definitely check it out. 👍👍
Paul was the original incel.
A full blown paranoia + entitlement issues that ties in to the modern versions worst impulses.
..don't forget that paul thought the devil was talking to him, so a little schizophrenic
Where did Saul get these disorders from? Look no further than gawd the father and gawd the criminal son.
Paul boasted about how he *could* boast but didn't! 😀😇
I am TOTALLY HUMBLE! Trust me, bro!
Great video as always! I look forward to your breakdowns and deep dives into specific religious and biblical topics, thank you!
Thank you for addressing that Paul is shady as fuck. It's amazing that so many Christians overlook this.
They overlook it because Paul provides the gospel of 'grace'. New rule...no rules.
@@annajustice7620 Exactly opposing Jesus and his apostles. There is a reason Peter didn't like him and was often at odds with him and his teachings.
He ceded ground and feigned a bit of outrage at the accusation. I'm betting he did something worse. He's got "How dare you" energy
Wow! I wish YOU had been my Sunday school teacher! Lol!
You REALLY painted the picture of Paul in a way I've never heard preached. This was a great video. 👍 ❤
Pretty sure if she were a Sunday school teacher, the church would replace her faster than you can say “collection plate”.
I freakin' LOVE how you called Paul out on his bullshit! ❤️
There was no ********, just a complete misunderstanding of the text.
It would’ve been Paul’s right to charge wages to the Corinthians, but Paul never charged anyone for his preaching. Instead, he accepted gifts and support when he needed it. Paul was not rich, he was a tentmaker (Acts 18:3). Paul was not receiving “wages” from churches, He received support. This support was voluntarily given, we never see him soliciting it.
In that culture, if a speaker didn’t take money for his speaking he was often disregarded as a poor speaker, with worthless teaching. But Paul didn’t care about the opinion of others when it came to his heart for preaching the gospel without being accused of doing it for money. The word Paul used for robbed is strong. In Greek, this word was used for stripping a dead soldier of his armor. Paul refers to the fact that he received support from Christians in other cities during his time in Corinth. He could say he robbed those other churches in the sense that by right, the Corinthian Christians *should* have supported him when he ministered to their spiritual needs (1 Corinthian 9:4-11). Instead, Paul was a burden to no one *among the Corinthian Christians.* According to ancient sources, Corinth at the time of Paul was wealthy and prosperous. In saying that he robbed other churches, he uses a figure of speech to say that he was supported by other poorer churches in his ministry to these wealthy Corinthian Christians. Figuratively, it is “robbing”. The other churches Paul “robbed” were in the region of Macedonia, including the Philippian church. Paul thanked them for their generosity in Philippians 4:14-18.
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If you worship such a strong god, why does it rely on its peons to defend him. Can't your god figure out something better?
@@badger1296 God doesn’t rely on me, I rely on him.
@@SheepofChrist818
This is the reason why I generally don't debate. You couldn't see the truth if it was a snake and it bit you on the ass.🐍
The only thing that kept Paul from being a televangelist was that television hadn't been invented yet.
Good point, I like that 😊
I do wonder this…how did Paul support himself once he converted to Christianity? Did they expect that he do this teaching for free? Forever? Idk… same garbage, different day. 😂
He came from a wealthy family and had a job making tents- which was quite profitable, I've read. But I certainly don't think he was refusing payment from several churches.
@@jezebelvibes I doubt that as well. I think I have to read the Bible more thoroughly…I didn’t know he made tents. I believe he did skim off of the churches, though. I can’t say he’d be wrong, though. All of the traveling and lodging…he had to eat. But, if he was living like Jim and Tammy Baker…well, that’s a different story
@@pagandeva2000 Yeah, I heard he had a huge amusement park in Thessalonia named Pauly World, there were camel rides, fig eating contests, pagan god target 🎯 practice and many more ancient arts and crafts.
@@homespuncovers89 I suppose he sold tickets to raffle the Brooklyn bridge 😂
@@pagandeva2000 Absolutely! That’s where the 50/50 raffle was invented, but it was for a bridge over the River Jordan…
It’s so interesting how these same verses are used to justify raising money for missions work. Paul invented the framework.
Also, I got into an argument with someone who told me that I wouldn’t like Paul very much and I was like, yeah, you’re right. I wouldn’t.
I actually didn't put too many thoughts to this because the gospels are revelation of God. I died once and it kinda got a revelation that many Christians will turn against each other and deny Christ. So unfortunately, my faith in Christ is 100%. So my argument towards Paul's words, maybe he did produce miracles. For Jesus said this in my name would perform such. Yet ask for money is tripping me. Good job. Though I'm a believer in Christ from a testimony from NDE, I love her break down of Scripture. I do not respect Jesus like I used to, unfortunately I've seen two face Christians back stab me, even to refer bible to me...they were involved in sick stuff. Cops wouldn't listen to, that's when I start to question God of allowing evil to prevail under his control.
@@paulgavian90 do you think that the revelation you got while being physically unstable and very close to shutting down completely was actually trust-worthy? rather than it was produced by a dying brain trying to find any hope whatsoever?
Those speeches sound SO much like narcissistic gaslighting. The humble-bragging just hit hard.
She's using conjecture, and it's false. She's slandering Paul here. She's also admitting he was a real person.
Kristi ROCKS !! You deserve 1 million subscribers .
Coincidentally, I've been studying how Paul contradicts Jesus and the other epistle writers and even himself. I am hoping that with the information I've gathered, I might be able to get through to some evangelicals by causing them to doubt and/or question the validity of their holy book. Your video confirms that I am on the right track.Thanks again.
You suffer from the same bad theology as the moderns/Evangelicals. America is paying a hefty price for not having traditional Christianity in its history. It was founded on Protestantism - freedom to interpret the Bible subjectively and create your own version of Chistianity.
I've been deconstructing and deconverting and I don't know how to tell my wife. Her faith is something she cherishes more then anything.
Wish I had some sage advice. If you decide to tell her the truth, be prepared for the worst outcome, but try not to let it make you bitter or angry. Good luck.
Deconverting to what? Atheism is idiocy.
@JimCastleberry Good point Jim. Let's stick to praying to the Sky Wizzard who never communicates back or answers prayers, who left us a highly conflicted book with silly stories we know for a fact never happened.
I'm going to be in the same boat soon. I'm moving to the Philippines & will date Catholic women there. At some point the topic of religion will come up. LOL, crap, then what? If I say I'm an atheist they will run away screaming. If I don't say something I'm going to have to go to church every Sunday with them. Suggestions anyone?
@@danmurray1143 They should stay away from you. I wouldn't trust an atheist to feed my dog. I suggest you stay home and not spread your atheist virus to people who don't share your Godless worldview.
Love it when you preach like that. Thank you.
I always felt like i was the only person who could see Paul’s Contradictions. Glad to see other like-minded people
Great thoughts! Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for your videos they really help me . I was born to a extremely religious family (my step dad and uncle are pastors) and I left a while ago and I I’m doing better. But I still struggle a lot with the fear of the “rapture” could you make a video talking about how to deconstruct that belief. Because even as an atheist it still makes me so anxious.
Don’t feel ashamed of yourself for struggling with ironing out the last bits of religious baggage. It sinks its teeth in deep. Deconversion isn’t always easy.
If you want the holly book claim as original revelation verbatim words of Almighty creator i have references so just do justice give the chance of original revelation at least you realized that kind of information already exists but almighty just waiting first step from the creation us to receive the message should don't delay..
thank you so much
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Your anxiety is not unusual for people who have been brainwashed with fearful things. Time will help you to get over the issue. Sigh, and Christians want to say it's not a carrot and stick religion. Yeah, like, "Believe in an all loving God who happens to also torture people for ETERNITY"
Thank you so much ❤
This is the rock upon which Gawd built "his" church.
You're great. I have been deconstructing my own religious experience for many years. I have always said "you cant hide from plain language". I love how you put the fancy mystery BS in plain language and the exposes the truth! Keep it the good work!
PAUL: I saw the resurrected Jesus and FIVE HUNDRED OTHER people saw it too.
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Xtians everywhere : We have 500 "eyewitnesses."
LOLZ
And don't forget, the person who wrote "The Night Before Christmas" saw Santa and his reindeer, so they're real too.
@madeirafonseca6383 you have Santa syndrome 😆
Good morning Kristi! 🙂
It's Wednesday morning here in Australia 🇦🇺.
Bart Ehrman also has an episode in his current podcast series about the Apostle Paul. Anyway, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about Paul ...
The apostle paul was the og "bless me with cash today to store riches in heaven" tent preacher. XD
Yesss thank you for this video
from Africa
I love your work 👍👍👍
Thanks so much :)
And yet Annanias and Sapphire were killed on the spot. I guess good for him he was part of the inner circle
Paul didn’t lie. It would’ve been Paul’s right to charge wages to the Corinthians, but Paul never charged anyone for his preaching. Instead, he accepted gifts and support when he needed it. Paul was not rich, he was a tentmaker (Acts 18:3). Paul was not receiving “wages” from churches, He received support. This support was voluntarily given, we never see him soliciting it.
In that culture, if a speaker didn’t take money for his speaking he was often disregarded as a poor speaker, with worthless teaching. But Paul didn’t care about the opinion of others when it came to his heart for preaching the gospel without being accused of doing it for money. The word Paul used for robbed is strong. In Greek, this word was used for stripping a dead soldier of his armor. Paul refers to the fact that he received support from Christians in other cities during his time in Corinth. He could say he robbed those other churches in the sense that by right, the Corinthian Christians *should* have supported him when he ministered to their spiritual needs (1 Corinthian 9:4-11). Instead, Paul was a burden to no one *among the Corinthian Christians.* According to ancient sources, Corinth at the time of Paul was wealthy and prosperous. In saying that he robbed other churches, he uses a figure of speech to say that he was supported by other poorer churches in his ministry to these wealthy Corinthian Christians. Figuratively, it is “robbing”.The other churches Paul “robbed” were in the region of Macedonia, including the Philippian church. Paul thanked them for their generosity in Philippians 4:14-18.
Really fascinating! I'd never thought of that before. I 've long been suspicious of Paul. Thanks for sharing this.
I think Paul was gay also.
@@chrisphinney8475What basis do you have to say that? What verses? That’s just nonsense.
Thanks for the video :)
I find your commentary intriguing. I was raised a Catholic and as a child I simply went through the motions of getting the requisite ceremonies performed so that I would never end up in hell. I am now an atheist as I no longer fear hell which was the only reason I believed as a child to care in the least about a god. A god was apparently the only thing that could save me from hell. I was never a person to go even superficially into the writings or commentary of what biblical characters or historians did or said in the least. It didn't matter because the only reason I cared at all was to stay out of hell regardless of what any other biblical characters than god did in their lives. Nothing they did or didn't do would save me from hell so they were irrelevant.
So you've gone much further into the individuals involved in creating the Christian mythology than I ever did in my process of becoming an atheist because you not only feared hell, you actually believed the relevance of the mythology that I ignored. Listening to you dismantle the the mythology on levels I never even considered is a perspective of the road to atheism that amazes me. It also heartens me that someone who was much further programmed into the mythology than I was ever was can find their way out.
I too was raised a catholic; my holy water evaporated when I eventually read the bible for myself instead of being ‘taught’ the palatable parts.
I've always contended that when you push Christians hard enough about why they believe, nine times out of ten it's simply to avoid hell.
Not sure how much pressure your churches have been putting on to you guys🛐⛪📄 avoid going to hell seems a subtleness being waited for explorers to me the bible only teaches me free ticket going to heaven
@@tonypoon7779the other side of the same dishonest, manipulative and church-enslaving coin
Funny how Paul was the first to write of the New Testament and not once will you find any mention of the empty tomb or the virgin birth or the dead saints rising from their graves at the time of the crucifixion. Almost like……he and his followers needed time to come up with the backstory and supernatural claims for his Messiah or something…..
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According to the book "Zealot: The Life and Times Of Jesus Of Nazareth" by Reza Aslan, Paul had no use for "Jesus-in-the-flesh." Never walked or talked with him. All he had was his so-called meeting with "Jesus" on the road to terrorize early Christians. (The last two sentences are mine).
he made up the 500 witnesses tho
Great video.
Amazing!
My evangelical father who is a pastor LOOOOOOVES Paul. Seems like these pastors have been petty and defensive for a VERY long time.
Evangelicals worship Paul, not Jesus.
@@3ggshe11s 💯💯💯
@@3ggshe11s Because fraudster Paul has taught evangelicals the art of the steal. Jesus was slow.
It just Paul flexing as an apostle was cringy then is even more cringy now, or its him humble bragging
Paul loved a good humble brag!
I hope I'll remember this when I reach there with my current reading.
I took a slow one this time. Marking time, traveling, genealogy, different text-sources... I wish there would be at least an edition that at least works with the E/Y/L/D source hypothesis. That'd help. Are you aware of any?
Awesome analysis!
well, we all know how Paul loved his boasting
But he died to himself and only christ lives through him! 🫠
@@jezebelvibes just as narcissistic as Jesus was
@@jezebelvibes "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20, NIV That's one of my favorite verses, Kristi (I think that's the one you're alluding to, maybe). I wish it were truer in my life. My own anger and selfishness often control me more than anything that Jesus would do.
He was a huge braggart. He suffered more floggings, more prison, etc. "Imitate ME..." He got messages straight from Jesus. He said. He suffered from a "thorn in my flesh." Not exactly Mr. Humility.
The most disturbing thing about Paul's writings is he never quotes Jesus' parables or the Sermon on the Mount. In Acts 20:35, Paul says that Jesus said, "It is better to give than to receive." Jesus never said this is any of the gospels. So when Paul says he preaches the "gospel," what gospel is he talking about? Paul claimed to have a supernatural revelation of Jesus, and from thereon he was fixated on the resurrection and eventual return of Jesus. Paul makes up his own gospel. For instance, in 1 Corinthians chapter 11, Paul dictates how men and women should cover their heads when praying. Jesus never said anything to the people about covering their heads when he taught them the "Lord's Prayer." In the book of Acts, Paul recounts his Damascus-road experience three times (when he was blinded by a light and heard Jesus speak). If you compare all three accounts, the story differs each time. Here's another thought. Paul never saw Jesus nor heard him speak, so how did Paul know this was Jesus? He claims he only heard a voice state in Aramaic that he was Jesus. Anyone could have stood on a nearby hill and yelled that. (We have to assume Paul was blinded by the sun or had some type of seizure.) Paul caused a lot of trouble no matter where he went, and was at odds with Peter and others in the early Christian church. Why did early Christians listen to this man at all if he did not expound the teachings of Jesus and made up his own gospel? Furthermore, if Paul had not existed and did not write his epistles, Christianity would have turned out to be a much different religion. Recall that Jesus' brother James first headed the church in Jerusalem, and they seemed to be more fixated on Jewish laws rather than Jesus' teachings.
These are letters written to the churches. It's insane to think Paul and Barnabas didn't preached the gospel to the gentiles. John mention he didn't write everything Jesus did or said. This is judging people in the 1st century by modern day with cheap paper, printing press , internet, computers ,etc. It was expensive to write things down in the 1st century. This is why the gospels are a certain size so it could fit on a single scroll.
Woah. You just blew my mind!
Thanks for the video, that was very interesting!
Excellent piece of detective work, I found it really interesting. Makes me wonder why these letters should end up as part of a holy book, seems like a corperate man arguing about his expense account, totally contra to Jesus. ...... Thanks & well done ....and keep em coming. (Russ from the UK)
I feel another Kristi video coming on in the next few hours!!
Unfortunately I'm a bit behind! So my next video will be a few more days 🩷
Love you channel! ❤️
Really interesting atuff. I hadn't noticed this before from quite that angle, so it was really good to see this exploration of Paul's finances.
You are a brave woman. I so admire you speaking your truth. (And mine!) I wish more ppl were capable of free (and rational) thought.
Relative truth is irrational. It's only free because it's worthless.
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The Christian churches have always relied upon prostitution to fund them.
@@mikeymik2 did you start believing in the Bible because you first studied it thoroughly? or did you first believe in it because you were a naive person listening to the preachers and only then started to read the Bible, which is _confirmation bias_ by definition?.. right, right..
@@joeshabe Oh my you're so clever . . .right, right..
@@mikeymik2 I, too, was brain-washed. having studied the Bible and Christianity, I stopped believing. I didn't plan it, I actually was a super sincere believer. however, I'm a lot happier now. so please study the Bible. I'm glad you've found this channel
Paul was history’s greatest con man ever… ever!
The fraud begins with..."In the Beginning"........
@@harveywabbit9541 More like the end, of Taurus
@@mikeymik2
The death of Moses (Aquarius) aka winter solstice in the sign of the waterman, marked the precession of the equinoxes from the age of the Bull to the age of the Ram. However, come next January, Moses with his thirty days of rain, will return.
@@harveywabbit9541 That's a lot of crap in the barnyard.
@@mikeymik2
Now, Now....we should not call the holy bible "crap in the barnyard." Which it really is.
I was always told that Paul was the one doing the criticizing, as if accepting the label of christian automatically turns you into a perfect person
Thanks!
Thanks for the support 😁
You are amazing love you're videos love you're intelligence to question religion like you do Paul sound's like a shady crook i really look up to you awesome and interesting video
Paul is one of the major players that led me to my deconversion. The running joke is that it should be called Paulanity instead of Christanity because 75% if not more of the NT is stuff either written by him or alleged to be written by him. Lol
Those are the books they wanted in the Bible so they could justify their greed for money. At the council of Nicaea books were left out of the Bible that they didn't agree with. Look at today's millionaire preachers with their big lavish lifestyles.
If you think about it, the entirety of Christianity is based on Paul's theology. He, more than anyone else, was responsible for taking a Jewish preacher and deifying him.
You know I had my theories about Paul but didn’t even see this one, thanks for the revealing of this problem.
All of a piece with the message presented. Someone once said "By their fruits you will know them" but he wasn't holding up a mirror at the time.
And what was Paul’s fruits? Churches around the world learning the Gospel. That Jesus is the Son of God, he died for our sins and rose from the dead. Kristi completely misinterpreted the text in this video.
@@SheepofChrist818 Of course some of us don't think all of that is a good thing.
@@johncollins1479 Ok, i understand that. But you quoted Jesus when he was talking of false prophets. By Jesus’ standard Paul couldn’t have been a false prophet.
@@SheepofChrist818considering that Jesus preached strict adherence to the Jewish law and Paul almost totally abolished it... And then the Empire who crucified Jesus appropriated his religion and continued committing war crimes in his name. And that the biggest church in the world (Paul's legacy) has behaved exactly like the whore of Revelation... Yeah, Paul totally destroyed Christianity and made it a "spiritual" refuge for lazy hypocrites.
Paul sound alot like my bio father. Hes a preacher and thinks exactly this way. He is gods gift to his church. and it even more sad cause the congregation holds on to every word he says and believes him even tho he is far from the kind of person who should be a preacher. He went as far as telling his family that my mom told us that his family didnt love us. This was right when they divorced and he was angry cause of what the church might think about him. I try not to speak to him anymore, but unfortunately my brother is still in his manipulative hold. Anyways... great insight into these passages. You have helped me come to terms with my deconversion every video!
As a Christian I have vested interests in the Apostle Paul not being shady since he wrote about half of our New Testament. You make a very interesting argument, though, Kristi. I think we would need to read the letter the Corinthians wrote to Paul to know what was really going on.
It's too bad we don't have any of the letters from churches to Paul. I think it would help fill a lot of the missing pieces.
@@jezebelvibes Things that make you go ..hmmmm
We're also missing a couple of the letters from Paul to Corinth (the letter he mentions in 2 Corinth doesn't match 1 Corinthians). I've always looked at it as Paul receiving no money from the Corinthians but instead drawing on support through tent-making and gifts to him from churches in other cities. When he asks for money from in 2 Corinthians 8-9, I expect he was planning to give it to the church in Jerusalem because of the famine there (cf 1 Cor 16:1-4, Rom 15:24-28).
@@nathanbanks2354 he talks a lot about paying his own expenses
Yes, that's what he claimed in another letter, that he was giving the money to Jerusalem. But he was facing accusations that he was in it for the money from more than one portion of his growing Christian world. He was in fact the world's oldest snake oil salesman. And if he had not decided to go to Rome he might have had a good life. But he signed his own death warrant. I'm sure he has some kind of martyr complex going on in addition to his pre-existing conditions.
Paul needed that paper. Preaching those lies wasn't paying the bills😆
Interesting take. I’m motivated to read and look more into this. Thanks.
Paul talks about the Gospel the way Donald Trump talked about giving up the presidential salary.
Omg you're not wrong 🤣😭
Your theory of drawing multiple salaries (if I understood right) is brilliant.
I suppose we can't expect him to fall back on his old profession of tent maker...
Every since I got to thinking about how Paul when in to the desert for 3 years to receive his teaching I got very suspicious and that was what destroyed his reputation for me. I was thinking "oh right you got your teachings in the desert like so many other people who claim to speak for God."
I still question Paul's conversion. He was the only one to see the "flashing light" all around him and the voice of Jesus. Not the person who was traveling with him. Why did Paul not use that man as a sort of backup to his claim? Also, he was fighting with the "leaders" of the nascent church in Jerusalem, Peter, James (the brother of Jesus) and John. What I gather from his letters, the three at Jerusalem sent out their own apostles to correct Paul's errant teaching of not following the Torah. "They mean nothing to me." And (not an exact quote) "don't believe anything that goes against what I am preaching, even if it comes from and angel." I also suspect that those three were his "thorn in my flesh." I base that on nothing more than pure speculation. At one point when Paul returned to Jerusalem, Peter, James and John had him take part in a "Nazirite Vow," and admit he was preaching a bad gospel; shaving his head and paid for some others that took the vow when they had their heads shaved. James said "faith without out (the) works (of The Law) is dead. Jesus fulfilled the Law; he did not get rid of it. After all, he was Jewish. Edit: I forgot to mention that Paul was a Hellenist Jew, and they had their own ideas that they applied to Jesus' preaching. Just because he wrote most of the letters in the NT doesn't mean he was right.
Paul violated the Torah instructions in Numbers 6 on how to complete a Nazirite Vow by shaving his head somewhere other than where the Altar was. This proves to me Paul was not a student of Gamaliel, nor was he a Pharisee because he would have known better if he was.
OMG! Paul was a first century televangelist! What is half of our New Testament is basically just the writings of some first century version of Kenneth Copeland or Pat Robinson. I have never considered that before. that is wild!
You live in ease in the USA right? No historian would come to this conclusion which is why you never of it. It's complete nonsense.
I came to that same conclusion about Paul during my deconstruction 😂. He wrestled leadership away from those that actually knew Jesus (Joshua, but that's a whole other conversation) then added a whole level of mysticism to his story to appease the pagans he was preaching to. We have a saying here in Australia, ' he was as shifty as a sh*t house (out house) rat'
I wonder if there’s more meaning to the phrase “Robbed Peter to pay Paul.” That’s an aphorism on injustice, but you never hear “Robbed Jim to pay Fred”
Wow. I bet you won't hear that in church 😂
I'm betting not 😄
Lol that’s funny because I’ve been in a service where this was fully covered and spoken about and looked into with further verses with its full understanding and context not blind assumptions and assertions
@@marktravis5162Me to the problem is the preachers all had a bias that Paul was just and good and thay anybody talking shit about him was one of those bad people Jesus warned us about. But actually it was Paul he was the exact type of person Jesus warned about!
@@temporaryname8905 If you’ve read his letters then you would know or rather should know that Paul was a follower of Christ and spoke truth, he also mentions the apostles and being among them working with them. Had he been false he would have accused them of being false. Also Peter acknowledges Paul as a beloved brother, and I highly doubt Peter could be deceived having been born again with the spirit of God in him. So the idea of Paul being false or against Jesus doesn’t work. That’s why it’s important to know what’s actually written
@@marktravis5162 paul was a lying sack and he hated peter
Hello there Kristi. Good job with digging deep into the religions with very open eye, ears,and mind. And getting out their lies and dishonesties.
You got that the wrong way around. It's Kristi Burke that has deceived and lied regarding the Holy scriptures.
@@christophergibson7155And how do you know, you're not the one who has been lied to all those years.
@@christophergibson7155
If you want to make such claims, you need to be more specific, until then you are f.o.s.
Do you really think this is digging deep?
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Yes, deeper than most people are willing to dig.
I have always thought that Paul was a fraud. I question things, which got me in trouble often at the Catholic boarding school, where I spent four years of my precious youth.
Good stuff lady
In the Dead Sea scrolls the mention tension between "The Teacher of Righteousness" and "The Liar." James was known as 'The Just" and "A Righteous Jew" and Paul is on the record for lying.
You just made that up on the spot or read it on the internet.
Evidence?
@SheepOfChrist818 He doesn't have any. He probably gets his sources from the same place this lady does. If they actually read the bible instead of knit picking three scriptures here and there All their arguments would fall apart.
@@billmarshall268 Exactly. I already debunked this video 😂
@@SheepofChrist818 I'll have to look for your comment.
Hi Kristi, I think you mentioned in a previous video that you used to be a fan of christian apologist Ray Comfort, well he just made a video responding to you....the more he tried to debunk you the more he ended up proving your point
I just saw it! I'm SPEECHLESS. lol! I felt like it was more of a promotion than a rebuttal. I might make a response to it! Thanks for letting me know :)
Really good.