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  • @onendonlysmithy1498
    @onendonlysmithy1498 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1332

    The best statement I ever heard about god was "It's funny that people only speak to god inside their own heads, it's as if that's the only place he exists".

    • @Paulogia
      @Paulogia  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

      good point

    • @sniperwolf50
      @sniperwolf50 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

      If you talk to God, you're religious. If God talks back, you're a lunatic

    • @SpaceLordof75
      @SpaceLordof75 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

      And their god in their head *never* disagrees with them. Ever.
      Funny that.

    • @robblerouser5657
      @robblerouser5657 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@sniperwolf50 I could be just carrying on both sides of the conversation... 😛🤪🥴

    • @kingakuma7
      @kingakuma7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      There are people who claim that God literally spoke to them out loud.
      Unfortunately no one else was there to confirm it.

  • @esbendit
    @esbendit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +402

    The great part about an omnipotent god is, it would be able to solve all these issues without issue.

    • @naruarthur
      @naruarthur 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      even our limited minds could solve this issues, he just completely ignores the logical answers because he wants to defend the illogical

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      Who are you to demand a god what to do?!! now keep quiet while i use an excuse not acceptable even for a human.

    • @shassett79
      @shassett79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      What? You think it's reasonable to expect an omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent being to appear to everyone, and not only know what will convince them, _but also be able to do it!?_

    • @kennymartin5976
      @kennymartin5976 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I love how in his vain atempt to make his religion look like the most sensible explanation, he had to make all the reasonable methods look sad and dumb first.

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      A omnipotent god wouldn't have any issue, ever. The mere existence of issues proves there isn't such a god. Limited, evil or stupid gods are still possible, tho.

  • @TomGehrke
    @TomGehrke 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +377

    Apologist: "You can't *force* a relationship."
    God: "Love me or it's Eternal Torture."

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Arranged marriages?

    • @ribenasquash
      @ribenasquash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Said someone one His behalf. Then paraphrased by someone else and used as evidence against Him.

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ribenasquash "Him"? You mean Yaldabaoth? Saklas? Samael? The evil demiurge who created the Universe?

    • @ribenasquash
      @ribenasquash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not clear if existence is evil or not or whether the word evil has any concrete definition, For the motivation or catalyst for creation to be known or understood is quite the claim by any party.@@thhseeking

    • @kelvinkanchebele9133
      @kelvinkanchebele9133 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hell is not eternal for those who won't choose God.

  • @QuantumMaple
    @QuantumMaple 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +545

    I love how he uses a shotgun wedding as an example of forcing “love” when their god threatens hell for nonbelievers

    • @Boundless_Border
      @Boundless_Border 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      Perfect. Paulogia mentions that the topic was about intellectual assent, not love. Then you point out how the supposed god is indeed threatening us with hell if we don't love it.
      And they wonder why we aren't convinced with their arguments.
      On the flip side, I can understand why they would be inclined to repeat that their god is good despite all the examples to the contrary. If they believe it exists, I could understand wanting to delude yourself into thinking it is good so you go into heaven. This god is extremely diabolical if it exists.

    • @EatHoneyBeeHappy
      @EatHoneyBeeHappy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      It's also worth mentioning that a very large portion of Christians get married young because they feel pressured, or "forced" by their beliefs and the expectations of their community to start pumping out offspring a.s.a.p. and a very large portion of those end in divorce.

    • @d_camara
      @d_camara 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Yep, if knowing god exists removes my choice on if i want or not a relationship with him, then literally all consensual sex is actually unconsensual, and SOME unconsensual sex is actually the closest thing to consensual, after all you can only make a choice if you don't know the person you'll have sex with exists... It flips consent on its head! It's only a choice if it's a guess you don't know you're making and if you actually know what you're chosing then it's not a choice?
      Shouldn't the USA as a god fearing country make sure if you know the candidates you're voting for, then your vote doesn't count as you didn't have free will to vote there?

    • @gladiatrx3
      @gladiatrx3 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@Boundless_Border "This god is extremely diabolical if it exists." Indeed, and why would one ever want to be trapped for eternity with this despicable monster?

    • @Boundless_Border
      @Boundless_Border 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gladiatrx3
      I'd have to admit that if you could genuinely believe that it wasn't a despicable being. I can understand wanting that over eternal conscious "punishment."
      I may even wish to stifle someone else's intellectual capabilities if I thought this being existed and those were the only options. I wouldn't wish the fate of hell on anyone. And while heaven is with something I would consider to be a "horrific monster" as long as they were safe and happy I could make my peace with it.

  • @Theevidenceof
    @Theevidenceof 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +591

    I always enjoy it when apologists paint god as a victim of his own rules/design. It has a real "leave dad alone, he just got home from work and he's tired" vibe.

    • @aazhie
      @aazhie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      So the song "What if god , was one of us?" is the most accurate thing that we have to truth? XD

    • @jeremysmetana8583
      @jeremysmetana8583 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      LOL - Not sure why you have to kick working dads in the balls. I assume you are not one. You know, god can be a contradiction and a myth and real dads can be good dudes who need a little space for a minute after work. They aren't mutually exclusive.

    • @Fernando-ek8jp
      @Fernando-ek8jp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      ​@@jeremysmetana8583That's not what they did.
      God is supposed to be all powerful, all perfect, all capable. Not a being that can get tired and needs a break from time to time.

    • @Dylans503
      @Dylans503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      ​@@jeremysmetana8583Yeah, you can kick god in the balls, but not dad, that's too far! This guy gets compared to God and he's still offended. Long day at work?.. ugh, this is why being a mom really is the hardest job in the world.

    • @George-zj9rr
      @George-zj9rr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep

  • @KreeZafi
    @KreeZafi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Wild that he lists off ACTUAL good ways for God to reveal himself and just dismisses them, then lists the worst way and somehow expects us to think it sounds better than the much more straightforward and compelling previous ones???

  • @Jneedstostopobssessing
    @Jneedstostopobssessing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +323

    Point 3... so revealing himself to each person individually is ridiculous, but he wants to have a personal relationship with each of us. I don't feel these are compatible.

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Excellent, excellent point.
      Another thing to consider is that those folks who claim a personal relationship "with god" seem to have nothing more that an imaginary friend who can stand listening to them and is selectively responsible for "the good things" that happen to them, and (because some grifter told them) is simply challenging them with "the bad things", like their children having cancer.

    • @joeyangtree1862
      @joeyangtree1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      And, he equates merely introducing yourself to someone with "forcing" them to love you and "altering their mind and free will". Somebody needs to check this guy's basement.

    • @Jneedstostopobssessing
      @Jneedstostopobssessing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@joeyangtree1862 🤣

    • @christophergibson7155
      @christophergibson7155 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And so then why has God chosen not to reveal Himself to everyone? You only have to look to the Word of God, The Holy Bible to find your answer. "But your wickedness has separated you from your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." (Isaiah 59:2) It is the sinner who repents, and turns from and abhors their sins and then totally trusts The Lord Jesus to save and rescue them from their sin. Then and only then will Jesus come and abide with them by the Spirit of God.

    • @Jneedstostopobssessing
      @Jneedstostopobssessing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @christophergibson7155 I'm not sure that I understand you. If he has not revealed himself to everyone, how do they know to repent? Who do they speak to when they do not know who that is? With no evidence, why believe that you should be following any particular faith? But this is beside the point. The criticism is that this person is saying that it is to much for God to reveal himself to everyone, yet almost every Christian I am aware of would argue that God also wants a personal relationship with every one, and that he listens to and respond to every prayer. If he is interested in everyone, and has time for every prayer, why does he not have time to reveal himself to everyone. And if we are quoting scripture: Romans 5:6-8 (LEB): For while we were still helpless, yet at the proper time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For only rarely will someone die on behalf of a righteous person (for on behalf of a good person possibly someone might even dare to die), 8 but God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while* we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

  • @EdwardHowton
    @EdwardHowton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +410

    "God can't just do the normal sane thing, he has to play evil sadistic mind games, or else he wouldn't be the good guy!" is not the sales pitch cultists inexplicably believe it is.
    And yet, here we are.

    • @aaronbredon2948
      @aaronbredon2948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      God must lie, so we can know he is the truth and his adversary who always tells the truth is the lord of lies.
      God must tell us how to obtain, own and mistreat slaves so that we know he hates slavery.
      God must commit and command us to commit genocide so that we know he hates genocide.
      God must make himself undetectable so that we know for sure that he exists.
      And of course that must mean that when Jesus said “give away all your wealth”, he really meant “amass as much wealth as you can”, and that is why Prosperity is the path to heaven.

    • @riluna3695
      @riluna3695 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@aaronbredon2948 Clearest description I've ever seen of how Christianity twists and reverses almost every word in the dictionary to get its loving message across. Sure he loves us, if you define love as "feeling disdain for". Sure he's truthful, if you describe truthful as "regularly lies". Sure he's moral, if you describe moral as "the things a god does or says to do". Every definition is thrown through a blender and force-fed until you believe he's loving, moral, and truthful and stop asking questions about how he can be all of those things while rarely if ever acting like it.

    • @aaronbredon2948
      @aaronbredon2948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@riluna3695 and if you combine Luke 14:26:
      If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
      With Matthew 22:39:
      Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      Given that a Good Christian hates their own life and loves their neighbor as themselves, we know why there is no Hate like Christian Love.
      And Luke 14:26 alone does quite a good job of explaining murder/suicides.

    • @VitreousVirtuosa
      @VitreousVirtuosa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@aaronbredon2948I think the worst thing is people have tried to tell me that the hate your family wnd life is MEANT to say that God is more important than everything else. Which becomes more fucked because it doesnt say that, but even if it did, it reveals the parasitic language of the “holy father” supplanting himself as the most important family member over your own spouse and possible children.

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We’ll surely a transcendent being has to make sense to my monkey brain!

  • @stevenread5473
    @stevenread5473 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +206

    Not only does God always use a liaison , his liaison always needs money. 😂😂

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      You know, those angels could be doing more than playing a harp....some sound investment advice from my guardian angel would make me a believer !!

    • @scamchan
      @scamchan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If God created all things then why would anyone need to hand GOD any money?

    • @b4ph0m3tdk9
      @b4ph0m3tdk9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The money is to help the preacher reach more people, to pay money to reach more people to pay money...

    • @scamchan
      @scamchan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@b4ph0m3tdk9 The money is to help him reach more people than GOD that is everywhere? WOW
      You know how GOD will provide but never seems to provide money.

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@b4ph0m3tdk9 Speaking in tongues, do I hear ya say "Ponzi, Ponzi Ponz-shebabba !!"

  • @dasbus9834
    @dasbus9834 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    If God showing himself is too much to handle for a person, how do all those Christians handle it who claim he's showing himself to them?

    • @TaeyxBlack
      @TaeyxBlack 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      classic double-think
      christians: god couldn’t make himself too obvious you couldn’t handle it 😏
      also christians: god is so obvious look at the trees! 🤩

    • @ianchisholm5756
      @ianchisholm5756 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      They'll quickly pivot to 'But he did, in the person of Jesus Christ!' as soon as it suits them.

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @chaleechan7805 I can assure you nobody sees 'the spirit of happiness'

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @chaleechan7805 'See' is what you do with your eyes. You either can see them or you don't. Don't play semantics with me.

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @chaleechan7805 Take off your eyes. If you can still see, you won.

  • @pseudodidact3956
    @pseudodidact3956 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    One thing that bothers me about a lot of apologetics is the double standard of saying “our human brains can’t possible understand the methods and capabilities of an all-powerful God” and then in a different argument say “can you[r human brain] think of a way to logically do X in the context of your own abilities? No? Then God can’t either.” God’s power seems to vary depending on what the Christian is arguing for.

    • @niceguy191
      @niceguy191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      God seems to also be limited by the human brain who believes, which is a bit suspicious....

    • @George-zj9rr
      @George-zj9rr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Exactly

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Not to mention that they turn around and explain exactly what God wants.

    • @bryand7667
      @bryand7667 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      There is also a problem with arguing that "our brains cant understand/comprehend god" when speaking to someone skeptical, all the while proposing that they themselves seem to have the perfect and true understanding of the same god. And a personal relationship nonetheless. So no one else can understand this deity except for you? Seems convenient

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@bryand7667 That's because they've created God in their heads.

  • @Wertbag99
    @Wertbag99 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    No one can see God, except all the people who have. Why can't we see Him? Apparently, His greatness would just melt our eyeballs, He may be all powerful, but He doesn't have a dimmer switch.

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      His followers do, and some have their lights dimmed right down very, very low :P

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God is a light switch 💡

    • @dimitriosv.3446
      @dimitriosv.3446 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, he revealed only the back of his head to Moses :D

  • @davidhitchen5369
    @davidhitchen5369 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    "That would be a much too vulgar display of power."
    Projecting vague images in cloud formations and on toast is more his speed.

    • @HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues
      @HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Or on dog butts.

    • @swolejeezy2603
      @swolejeezy2603 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Not to mention “vulgarity” is 100% cultural. Short-shorts are vulgar to some groups. Looking someone in the eye is vulgar to others. Eating with your hands is vulgar to others still. The omnipotent God should be perfectly capable of revealing himself to everyone in a way that no one would perceive as vulgar, assuming he would even care about such a fickle temporal thing as that.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You Tubers have him beat. 😁

    • @saintbees2088
      @saintbees2088 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Line from "the exorcist"

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LMAO

  • @gagaplex
    @gagaplex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +150

    The door to door salesman approach seems perfectly fine to me, especially for an omnipotent and timeless being.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Or even the "look at the trees" approach. It's the conflict between "he can't be bothered to reveal himself" and "he really wants a close relationship". As a comedian put it "love without reciprocation is stalking".

    • @fieldrequired283
      @fieldrequired283 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      If door to door salespeople only sold things people really, desperately needed, and the salesperson was the only source for that thing, they would probably be widely beloved.

    • @Dragoderian
      @Dragoderian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      God has the power to appear to each of us individually as our own invisible friend capable of conversing with us about things we don't know. It would be abjectly trivial for him to do so in a way that left us, as the Christians love to say, 'without excuse'. Even if it was just one time in everyone's lives where he showed himself, declared himself, unambiguously it would be better than the current deafening silence.
      Worse still that, according to many Christians, he does just that... But apparently not universally, it seems.

    • @antonioscendrategattico2302
      @antonioscendrategattico2302 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Also, he bemoans that as door to door salesmanship, but apparently his solution is a pyramid scheme instead.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@antonioscendrategattico2302 Maybe he likes the JWs.

  • @jakerz0
    @jakerz0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Soo “infusing himself into our brains” is bad, but “writing his law on our hearts” is good. Got it.

    • @jakerz0
      @jakerz0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @polymars_ That’s not biblical.

    • @jakerz0
      @jakerz0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @polymars_Show me where the bible states that god’s law being written on our hearts is conditional on our consent, as opposed to a covenantal promise offered by god.

    • @franchsli
      @franchsli 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jakerz0sorry I did not get what you mean
      But don't you remember that you can always chose what to do ?

  • @mr.zafner8295
    @mr.zafner8295 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The weird thing to me is that the basic question shouldn't be why doesn't he show himself, or why did he show himself to some people. If God wants to not interfere, he should have never showed himself. If he wants to interfere, he could just show himself to everyone all the time and make himself really obvious. No, the question is why the half-assed, middle-of-the-road approach? It's like the supreme being can't make a decision either way and instead he does this weak lame ambiguous intrusion into his own experiment. What's the point of that?

    • @AllHailDiskordia
      @AllHailDiskordia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It's almost as If that god is imaginary 😂

    • @joeyangtree1862
      @joeyangtree1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Also, if the god wants you to *freely* choose to love him, then he should never create a hell or a heaven. At the very least, he should never tell any human that he has created these. All Christianity has done is imagine the greatest bribe to love a god and the ultimate blackmail for anyone that doesn't.

    • @timp7796
      @timp7796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Their god is weak af, that’s if he’s real

  • @Ottawa411
    @Ottawa411 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    As I am getting further into the video I am struck by something. Often God is spoken of as a parent. Can you imagine hearing a parent talk like that? What would happen to a child if their parents didn't want to reveal themselves to their kids because they were worried about taking away their freedom? How about hearing a parent being troubled by having to interact with their kids on a daily basis?

    • @MichaelPowers1960
      @MichaelPowers1960 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Also, consider this. Wouldn't any parent, at some point, want their children to grow up? Now what sort of being would want to keep another set of beings in an artificially induced juvenile state? Oh wait, that would be us. It's exactly how we domesticated dogs.

    • @NightmareRex6
      @NightmareRex6 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      and you created a hell to punish an evil beoing but made it in a way innocents can fall in?

    • @drrickmarshall1191
      @drrickmarshall1191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MichaelPowers1960 Dogs aren't in an artificially induced juvenile state though?

    • @VisonsofFalseTruths
      @VisonsofFalseTruths 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do we say about a parent who intentionally inflicts his children with horrific, sometimes even wholly novel, diseases? Or one who actively refuses to prevent his children from enslaving, raping, and murdering each other? How about a parent who refuses to do literally anything for his children but expect lifelong gratitude that he caused them to exist in a state of misery and suffering?
      We call that a monster. So why hold the Christian God, ANY deity, to a lower standard than we do humanity? Especially when that deity is claimed to be the source of all good?

    • @dookiebrains3824
      @dookiebrains3824 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Great point. I've said this myself. The whole idea of divine hiddenness is easily one of the most ridiculous ideas ever. Our loved ones, say our parents, don't hide themselves from us out of some weird desire to give us a free will. They are ever present in our lives because they love us. If they arent, we usually assume they dont love us.

  • @astrinymris9953
    @astrinymris9953 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    If God wants us to choose Him of our "free will", then why threaten us with eternal torture in the afterlife if we don't? That's not free will; that's duress.

    • @janga75
      @janga75 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ditto

    •  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The entirety of Christianity is dodging, denying or ignoring this issue

    • @roytee3127
      @roytee3127 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ironically, a lot of believers effectively deny the existence of free will in everything else. Everything is "God's Will" or according to "God's Plan". People don't act on their own - God makes them do it, e. g. voting for Trump.

    • @haitaelpastor976
      @haitaelpastor976 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@roytee3127 If God existed, there would be no lefty sheep.

    • @chrisbos4587
      @chrisbos4587 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      God is the source of all goodness, love and life. Turning away from him turns you away from those qualities, this is what hell is. The separation from all these qualities.
      Why would God force you to live with him eternally? Its your choice

  • @EatHoneyBeeHappy
    @EatHoneyBeeHappy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

    He said cosmic signs would work "for a little while" which means he's admitting that god could just keep repeating those signs and the problem would be solved.

    • @Destorath666
      @Destorath666 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      His counter was even dumber than that. He basically said we would get bored of the cosmic signs and presented that like it was a problem.

    • @WaterCat5
      @WaterCat5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      ​@Destorath666 Yeah, like who cares if they're boring? I would rather get boring signs than go to hell.
      I wonder how many people believe this stuff for the excitement factor. Like, do they want miracles to be rare because then they can oggle them? Very selfish behavior if so.

    • @uncleanunicorn4571
      @uncleanunicorn4571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Yeah but, He's omnipotent, So that means it's just too much trouble to bother with, Off you go to eternal torture.

    • @EatHoneyBeeHappy
      @EatHoneyBeeHappy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@WaterCat5 Great point. I think there's compartmentalization going on, and barriers go up when Christians think they see miracles, so that they don't have to think about all the suffering in the world that needs a miracle far more than they do for their entertainment.

    • @niceguy191
      @niceguy191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@WaterCat5If God's is so present and obvious to become mundane, that seems like a complete win as far as salvation goes... You might have a small contingency of people (like flat-earthers) refusing to believe, but essentially everyone would believe in God (and God absolutely could figure out a way to avoid that too). Heck, the signs could be set up in a way to remove all ambiguity so nobody would believe in God the wrong way either like we have with the many religions today.

  • @Steelmage99
    @Steelmage99 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

    As Christians are wont to do, Imbeggar seems to constantly forget what omnipotent means.

    • @EdwardHowton
      @EdwardHowton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Oh, I know what that word means in Cultspeak! Omnipotent: (v) To slavishly follow a contrived plot where the character makes all the wrong decisions, because if they ever made the correct decision _ever_ then there would be no actual story.
      Example: "Oh no! A killer is trying to break into my house through the front door! I had better run upstairs where there are no other exits and hide in the most obvious place instead of heading to the back door where I can flee in literally any direction!"
      See also: _Dramatic Slip_ and _Fail Compilation_

    • @uncleanunicorn4571
      @uncleanunicorn4571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Apparently it means being really, Really lazy.

    • @TaeyxBlack
      @TaeyxBlack 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      we need to come up with a different word for the christian god’s power level. it’s not all powerful. it’s not even maximally powerful. it’s conveniently powerful. convenipotent?

    • @johnnehrich9601
      @johnnehrich9601 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      No, not constantly. Only when it is convenient for their lies.

    • @EatHoneyBeeHappy
      @EatHoneyBeeHappy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TaeyxBlack I like that.

  • @Awakened_Mucacha
    @Awakened_Mucacha 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    Not existing is a hard problem to overcome.

    • @deedeskin2439
      @deedeskin2439 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I was thinking the same thing. Odd, isn't it that the James Webb space telescope can see distant galaxies, star clusters, etc, but no "god". Can't find it if it's not there.

    • @skeithus
      @skeithus 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@deedeskin2439 That implies that God lies in our physical realm even though he does not have to.

    • @jankowal260
      @jankowal260 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Being logically necessary to exist is also a hard problem to overcome.
      Let's start with the first cause argument. Even if there are intermidiate causes there can't be an effect without the first cause of the chain. The chain looks something like this: first cause -> intermidiate cause -> effect. Therefore there must exist a cause that is the first cause of all the other causes because it would be illogical for the chain of causes to be infinite as the effect couldn't have taken place. The cause should also be outside of time as nothing can appear out of nowhere.
      The necessary being arguement is similar. Every being has some other being that brought it to existance. The causal being cannot bring into existance a being higher in nature than itself, for example a frog cannot bring into existance a frog with high reasoning skills and ability to speak. Therefore there must be an intelligent being that brought into existence other intelligent beings. And if you want to bring up Darwinian evollution there is an extremly small chance for inanimate matter forming even the simplest life as it is extremly more complex. And even if the simplest life begun it's existence there isn't enough time for mutations that alter the DNA so much to occur.

  • @joshuaj791
    @joshuaj791 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    I really like Prophet of Zod’s analogy of the Rock God. Why does this Rock God look and act like an ordinary rock? “Its ways are higher, it has reasons we can’t possibly understand.” Okay, but you just made another claim on top of the one that I already don’t accept.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey buddy! Have you met my pet Spot. He doesn't say much. He's a rock 🪨🎸😎

  • @acuyra
    @acuyra 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    Saying that we’re not ready for God to reveal himself seems an odd thing to say when there are numerous examples in the Bible of God unambigiously revealing himself.

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Paul's point exactly.

    • @synergy1916
      @synergy1916 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      God will return in the second coming, so be ready to present yourself without shame before he comes.

    • @acuyra
      @acuyra 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@synergy1916 Nah, I’m good.

    • @synergy1916
      @synergy1916 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @basic6735 because he knows the best timing. Also, the Bible didn't tell exactly when is the second coming. Jesus just gave signs of his return.

    • @synergy1916
      @synergy1916 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @basic6735 Because not all people are ready to meet him yet and he is giving the opportunity for people to hear the gospel and change by repenting. Although the Bible said we should be alert and ready because he will come like a thief. Also, God is faithful to his words so the prophecies need to happen first before he comes. All we need to do is to remain faithful and trust his perfect timing.

  • @deadweaselsteve3262
    @deadweaselsteve3262 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    "God is beyond man in every single way. Now, let me tell you its motives."

  • @robblerouser5657
    @robblerouser5657 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    This by far the best point against God's existence.

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The best point about the existence of something is that it manifests itself in reality. My phone calls are proof that there are electromagnetic waves and the offer of an extended warranty with those calls shows someone cares about me and my car. Some jackass talking about jesus is proof people have an imagination.

    • @joeyangtree1862
      @joeyangtree1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I find it very telling that I have mountains more evidence that Pauly Shore starred in "Biodome" in 1996 than I do that Jesus ever existed.

    • @kmurphy0620
      @kmurphy0620 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      "One of the best reasons not to believe is to understand why people do believe."

    • @cadekachelmeier7251
      @cadekachelmeier7251 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Specifically against a God that wants most humans to believe they exist and is reasonably powerful. So it doesn't argue against a weak god or an apathetic god. It could also still allow for a god that only cares about one specific group like the ancient Israelites or some aliens one one specific planet.

  • @mjjoe76
    @mjjoe76 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    “You aren’t convinced by hearsay, plagiarized stories, and ideas invented by the early Church? Well, how about some poor excuses? Will that suffice?”

    • @onedaya_martian1238
      @onedaya_martian1238 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gee, open a tax free megachurch, fake sincere interpretations of an ancient book, PROPHIT !!
      That's how religion works.

    • @sidecarmisanthrope5927
      @sidecarmisanthrope5927 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Well I am convinced by all of those things, but then again; I probably left my brains in the parking lot.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Would a note from his mother convince him? 🤔

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Considering how well all of the “hearsay” lines up with each-other, then I would be convinced that they all knew the same person.

    • @thewonderingwatcher
      @thewonderingwatcher 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's not how the case goes, bud.

  • @mewthicus
    @mewthicus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    I can't help but notice they keep harping on about how god doesn't want to force a relationship with us, but the punishment for not having a relationship with him is ETERNAL HELLFIRE. How exactly is that supposed to be freedom??

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Jesus paid the price for your eternal freedom, will you accept his invitation or reject him?

    • @kadenoneill7227
      @kadenoneill7227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      it definitely isn't. they say it's all about free will and freedom to choose to have or not have a relationship with god and worship him. but when the consequence of choosing to not believe, etc. is eternal punishment, then that pretty much negates any of that freedom talk if one is concerned about eternal punishment. it's so manipulative and underhanded.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kadenoneill7227 well there is no freedom in hell, so you better avoid that

    • @itsaboutthattime4425
      @itsaboutthattime4425 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@samuelcalderwood1379your hell threats are so childish lol. I promise you no one is taking you seriously.

    • @synergy1916
      @synergy1916 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hell is not a threat; it's a warning for people who choose to distance themselves from God. Life without God is hell. If we choose to disobey, reject, or rebel against God, things will become more evil here on Earth. Having a relationship with God is about knowing His will and following His words because He knows what is best for us. Eternal life is not something we can achieve on our own because we all fall short of the glory of God due to sin. We follow God not to work for our own salvation, but to acknowledge His work on the cross for us when Jesus was crucified.

  • @AlanTraxler
    @AlanTraxler 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Thank you for including the "for those just listening along" because that's exactly what I do!

    • @2to5Raccoons
      @2to5Raccoons 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I love it when video hosts include us listeners. I hate having to scramble for my phone or quickly switch tabs and rewind to get context

  • @uncleanunicorn4571
    @uncleanunicorn4571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    The all powerful god is just too lazy to do the bare minimum to save me from the eternal torture dungeon , he created.

    • @stevewebber707
      @stevewebber707 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      To be fair, he also seems to be too lazy to do literally anything.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Yet they claim he's going to spend the time to judge me personally. He failed to create a functional world for Adam and for Noah and for Moses. I'm not betting on this heaven being functional either.

    • @suicune2001
      @suicune2001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@goldenalt3166 Apparently it's not since 30% of the kids peaced out. If he's this bad with his supposed "preferred" creations, imagine how abusive he is to the angels. To them, it's probably like fleeing the most abusive father ever.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @suicune2001 That would explain why heaven had those tall gates and a guard. Hell's locked from the inside but heaven is clearly locked from the outside.

    • @suicune2001
      @suicune2001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@goldenalt3166 Yeah, we had it backwards this whole time. The guard is on the INSIDE making sure no one leaves. 😂

  • @fred_derf
    @fred_derf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Oh FFS! If god wants a relationship with me, then it can bloody well show up. Otherwise I'm just pretending to have an invisible friend.

  • @Tanner404
    @Tanner404 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    Only evangelicals would describe your wife knowing you exist as "altering their mind and free will"

    • @suicune2001
      @suicune2001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Oh evangelicals love the whole "love and obey me without question or complaint OR ELSE I'LL HURT YOU AND IT'LL BE YOUR FAULT!" schtick. They're just emulating their deity.

    • @kadenoneill7227
      @kadenoneill7227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      taking responsibility for their own actions is too much to ask of them

  • @onendonlysmithy1498
    @onendonlysmithy1498 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

    My way of saying thanks for your hard work on speaking the truth. As a fellow atheist I know it's hard when you're a minority but know there are people who have your back!

    • @MetaphorUB
      @MetaphorUB 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Matched. Reading your message inspired me to also say thank you to Paulogia, so thank you for that this morning. Like most of us, I prefer being inspired by real people.

    • @Paulogia
      @Paulogia  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Wow! That is so generous. Thank you.

    • @MetaphorUB
      @MetaphorUB 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Paulogia You are so welcome, sir. I’m sure Smithy feels the same. You’re doing God’s work. So to speak…

    • @onendonlysmithy1498
      @onendonlysmithy1498 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@PaulogiaHey, Paul, my real name's Josh. Don't worry about it. I make it a habit of donating to those that help make the world a better place each month. Glad I could help.

    • @greglogan7706
      @greglogan7706 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Paulogia
      It would be great if you could set up a 501 C3 so that donations are tax deductible
      You perfectly fit what is characterized as an educational organization - or perhaps even religious

  • @emilianoreyes3036
    @emilianoreyes3036 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Love how "God" immediately stops being omnipotent as soon as it gets inconvenient for Christians

  • @SaturnMood
    @SaturnMood 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    If I am to be an all-powerful god, I would click my fingers and my creations will automatically know I am real and I do exist.

    • @martin2289
      @martin2289 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Indeed.

    • @condorboss3339
      @condorboss3339 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Arthur C Clarke's third law still applies: " _Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic_ " Maybe the finger-snap is just the outward sign of a super-advanced technology. Think how our own ancestors of only 400 years ago would react if they saw us tap a small device in our hands a few times and speak to someone on the other side of the world.

    • @Boundless_Border
      @Boundless_Border 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@condorboss3339
      This fails to notice the point. The snap imbued the creatures with the knowledge that "I" existed.
      It isn't about proving the supernatural existed.
      P.S. The snapping is a bit of a colloquial representation of ease. They don't really need to do that.

    • @RandyWinn42
      @RandyWinn42 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Boundless_Border A letter delivered by owl would work, but I would prefer God sending me a pizza with pineapple. Now THAT is proof of the Divine!

    • @fisharepeopletoo9653
      @fisharepeopletoo9653 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I asked a christian friend why god didn't do this and he said free will. I asked him if he thought that if everyone on the planet knew 100% that god was real would there still be sinners? Would there still be people using their free will to go against god? And he said he thought there would... so why is god hidden? Lol

  • @rachelfey
    @rachelfey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Every. Single. Response. to this question is vapid and contrived. They have to try SO hard to make it make sense. As a life long nonbeliever, understanding how people get to these places is something I struggle with.

    • @KalebSDay
      @KalebSDay 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      indoctrination and a herd mentality not questioning what is being claimed

  • @jamespcrown128
    @jamespcrown128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    "Why'd you pick such a backward time, and such a strange land?"🌟

    • @roytee3127
      @roytee3127 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      China would have been a much better venue.

  • @John-Paris
    @John-Paris 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    This is one of the best answers if not the best I've heard about this problem about apologist... Thank you Paulogia...

  • @Ratciclefan
    @Ratciclefan หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "God showed himself, you can't meet him because he goes to another school"

  • @adamredwine774
    @adamredwine774 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I have never understood why “believe X proposition” should be the thing that “saves” someone. It makes no sense whatsoever.

    • @rapdactyl
      @rapdactyl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Christians argue that belief is just step 1. Step 2 is worshipping the thing you're meant to believe in without adequate evidence. Even if you could fake it till you make it, this would not be enough for their god. You also have to worship it in the way Christians prefer, and you'd have to follow rules as interpreted by other Christians (your own interpretation would, of course, never match up with theirs, somehow.)

    • @RandyWinn42
      @RandyWinn42 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Quite apart from the irrationality and injustice of that proposition, it directly ***contradicts*** the Sermon on the Mount (the whole sheep and goats thing.)
      AFAIK Paul invented the concept so he could run a cult based on his personal ideas. He states explicitly that his doctrine is based on personal revelation, not talking to those who met Jesus on earth. It seems likely the Gospels were retconned to incorporate the idea.

    • @Fernando-ek8jp
      @Fernando-ek8jp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because those are the rules set.
      It's like the game. If you think about it, you lose.

    • @shriggs55
      @shriggs55 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@rapdactyl Believers like to talk about god's "unconditional love." But once you" believe"-you're are expected to dedicate your entire life to this god-or else-hell?

    • @Venaloid
      @Venaloid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'm going to make a religion where you need to make yourself like the taste of pistachio ice cream more than any other flavor. Makes about as much sense.

  • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
    @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    15:50 "What if there is a chance ..." is a message I hear from the lottery folks.

    • @rapdactyl
      @rapdactyl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's like they want to quietly draw upon Pascal's Wager without declaring it outright because to do so would also invite all of the obvious classic Pascal criticisms. What if there's a chance it was Zeus all along? What if there's a chance that the for-reals god prefers Islam? What if...etc etc etc
      Eternal torture should not be hinged upon accepting whacky what-if scenarios with no adequate evidence.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Pascal's Wager" is a non-starter.

    • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
      @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@inyobill Pascal's Wager was on the fifth race at Churchill Downs.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 Did the nag place?

  • @maninalift
    @maninalift 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It's just so cool and amazing the way this guy thinks about how a God would reveal himself to his creation and figures out that it is exactly the way Christian tradition says YHWH did it. And he does it all while avoiding any bias from his existing beliefs.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It's just like how Jesus "fulfilled" all those Jesus- like attributes like no other religious figure in history. Amazing.

    • @maninalift
      @maninalift 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@goldenalt3166 no other Jesus is as Jesus as Jesus

    • @joeyangtree1862
      @joeyangtree1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm willing to accept the Jesus story as is, with one additional requirement. If Jesus were still on the cross, still alive, and still suffering after 2000 years, then I would be willing to accept that he was "paying the price for the sins of humanity" and supernaturally sustained. It would also make Christians much more cognizant that this guy really, really suffered more than any human being ever had. I'm sure that one broadcast channel would just show Jesus on the cross 24/7 to always remind everyone how much constant pain he was in.

    • @itsaboutthattime4425
      @itsaboutthattime4425 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@joeyangtree1862😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ... how a god would reveal itself ...

  • @shassett79
    @shassett79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    There's this girl I want to marry. But I want her to marry me freely and worry that introducing myself will influence her decision. So I'm just going to leave subtle hints of my existence where I assume she will find them and hope for the best!

    • @AllHailDiskordia
      @AllHailDiskordia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Don't forget the smiting 😅

    • @shassett79
      @shassett79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@AllHailDiskordiaOh yeah, I will definitely smite if she doesn't eventually come around...

    • @kevinmiller1121
      @kevinmiller1121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Make sure to leave contradictory and confusing hints so that those who discover them will reach different conclusions about who you are and what you want

    • @shassett79
      @shassett79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@kevinmiller1121 Good point. She'll need to work for it.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      TV romances in total. 😃

  • @AllHailDiskordia
    @AllHailDiskordia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    It is sad that Life of Brian is so timelessly accurate

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A vastly misunderstood masterpiece. Their best work IMHO.

  • @shriggs55
    @shriggs55 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This video is probably the best and most thorough handling of the divine hiddeness subject that I have ever seen.And it's concise-which I like, which makes it easy to digest and understand.This is a keeper!

  • @rumraket38
    @rumraket38 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    The best way to do it would be for God to reveal himself to every single person in exactly the way God knows would cause them to become convinced. I know what that would be myself. God would have to show up at my door and perform a simple demonstration of a miracle of my choosing, such as making a completely soaking wet towel spontaneously catch fire. That wouldn't PROVE divinity, but it would still convince me. It is a genuine mystery why God doesn't just do this if he wants me to believe. That is, on the hypothesis that God exists and wants me to believe. A better hypothesis is that he simply doesn't exist. That's why he doesn't turn up and perform the small miracle required to fully convince me. Because he isn't real. Que the excuses and rationalizations.

    • @garyhershkowitz3435
      @garyhershkowitz3435 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a non believer non participant up until 12 years ago I would have agreed with you. Without me seeking him out or having any interest in the subject he came through my inner voice and began showing me a form of math I did not know existed. He started filling my head with numbers and soon told me to number the alphabet and to reduce the double digits to single digits. Example: Z is 26. 2+6=8. He explained why he was talking to me by saying it was my name and my numbers. Then he showed me what he meant. Example: I was born at 10:46AM. Change the A to 1 and the M to 4 because it’s the 13 th letter and 1+3=4. Now you have 104614. Split this down the middle and add 104+614=718 or my initials GAH. He had dozens of examples like this that convinced me it wasn’t a coincidence. Here’s one more as there are far to many and would expose my personal info. My step dad’s initials plus my mothers initials plus my sisters initials plus my initials add up to the last 4 off my ssn. I’m not trying to convince you but he convinced me. With that said, what difference did it make in my life? None because if he didn’t leave a bag of golden goose eggs my life is still the same 😳

    • @Boundless_Border
      @Boundless_Border 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@garyhershkowitz3435
      Sure. Without discussing the details that is great evidence for you maybe. Does that change whether or not we have that evidence?
      If not then we as atheist still need that before we can reasonably accept that it exists. So I would say you should agree with the statement since that is what happened for you.

    • @garyhershkowitz3435
      @garyhershkowitz3435 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Boundless_Border I may have been better off not knowing nor caring nor contemplating the subject. Less confusion that way.

    • @Boundless_Border
      @Boundless_Border 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@garyhershkowitz3435
      Yeah. That doesn't work for me since if confusion can be given at the slightest prodding I would be more likely to drop that belief.

    • @garyhershkowitz3435
      @garyhershkowitz3435 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Boundless_Border no confusion on his existence. Confusion on what’s the point.

  • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
    @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    8:00 Okay, now I get it. It's my fault that I was born 2000 or so years late and I didn't get the message.

  • @franciswalsh8416
    @franciswalsh8416 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This was wonderful!!! All of the nonsense, all of the acrobatic bending of oneself to accept the completely unacceptable, and the "This all happened because the Bible says so" is sent away like a puff of smoke. Thank you!!

  • @markrothenbuhler6232
    @markrothenbuhler6232 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I love the option that he doesn't show himself because it would be a Bird Box type scenario.

  • @andrewfrennier3494
    @andrewfrennier3494 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    When Christian missionaries first went to China, they were given an audience with the emperor. After explaining their ideas, the emperor asked them why didn’t Jesus just appear in China first. He said that Jesus would have been able to obtain millions of followers quickly, in a far more literate society, and his ideas would have been able to spread more quickly. The missionaries never gave an answer that was satisfactory.

    • @balteshazar22
      @balteshazar22 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Do you have a source for this? Sounds like an interesting story, I’d love to learn more!

    • @andrewfrennier3494
      @andrewfrennier3494 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@balteshazar22 I saw it in a Chinese source. I shall try to find it again. It might be apocryphal, but is typically Chinese in thought. The emperor could have met Jesus, decreed his ideas as valid, and allowed him to spread the word, with thousands of court scribes to translate his teachings to the nation. Governors could have been told to welcome missionaries and encourage participation. At that time Chinese merchants travelled as far as Africa, and could have spread the word. That’s how Indonesia became Muslim. And nobody would have been nailed to anything.
      The emperors did allow Christianity during some periods and not in others; but whenever it was banned it was for being foreign, and too rich. And it was not the only one.

    • @andrewfrennier3494
      @andrewfrennier3494 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It was most likely Emperor Taizong since that is the earliest known meeting. It sounds like something he would have said. He did allow Christianity and had sacred texts transcribed. And he proscribed tolerance of many religions. Just as a note, Jesus always looked Asian in pictures from this period.

    • @rageofheaven
      @rageofheaven 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@andrewfrennier3494 Because rather than spread the message in a way that would be efficient, and not involve bloodshed, god opted for a method that wasn't efficient, and involved bloodshed. I mean hell, look what happened with the pharaoh, that did not need happen. God cant make a point without a war crime.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never gave a satisfactory answer. Hunh. Weird.

  • @Venaloid
    @Venaloid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    4:01 - This is the game-ender right here. If we can't relate to God... why would he create us to have a relationship in the first place? Christianity can't even get off the ground without addressing this.

    • @mrsejd3446
      @mrsejd3446 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's kind of what Jesus Christ was for.

  • @DC_Prox
    @DC_Prox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The argument is a textbook case in complicated confirmation bias. He started with the conclusion: God is real, and coming down in human form as Jesus was the best way for him to reveal himself. Then he listed a few alternatives and came up with whatever excuses he could to dismiss them, and then he came up with ways to reject the obvious and clear problems with the Jesus plan. It's almost as if getting to the "right" answer was more important than any actual points or logic.

    • @kevinmiller1121
      @kevinmiller1121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      No question it comes across as a giant post hoc rationalization. When I was a kid in Sunday school pushing back against resurrection theology, I used to say, "I would be way more impressed if the Romans tried to kill Jesus and and couldn't." At least he would have differentiated himself from every other human they crucified. Maybe by never dying or ageing, he could have convinced millions of people that he was a god. But Christians have had their script hammered into them and they just can't see the gaping holes in it. I have no idea why it never worked on me, but I'm thankful.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No gaping holes whatsoever, Jesus was seen by many witnesses after his resurrection

    • @kevinmiller1121
      @kevinmiller1121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 Just some assertions in stories in a book unsupported by external evidence and insufficient to warrant belief in such claims. Even if we had incontrovertible evidence of a resurrection (which we don't) the gaping holes in the theology attempting to make sense of this unproven event would still need to be addressed.

  • @kevincrady2831
    @kevincrady2831 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    5:34 - "It would be too...uh...door-to-door salesman for god to knock on your door and introduce godself. But it's OK if we do it, to try to hand you a tract."

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But they have different messages. JWs, Mormons...

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jehova's Witness: "Would you like some reading material?" Me: "No". JW: Nervous laugh

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thhseekingwell, not all that different

    • @axer3515
      @axer3515 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These are lame excuses. A God would know how to do it. God could set a level of faith that after a person reaches it, he could show himself. He could even save people from danger when they are praying to him a desperate moment. He would not have children die young, or faithful people drown, he could come and say here I am and I will stop your suffering because you have been faithful to me for years. There is too many bad things happening to animals and kids to believe there any force that could stop it but doesn't. No loving force could watch horrible thing happen millions of times a day, while saying he loves the people suffering. You could fool a bronze aged citizen because they believe their God causes rain, floods, sunshine ,and all the othes GAPS from that era that was once attributed to a God. Ibam even more conviced when I watch religious leaders discuss their ideas with other leaders. They don't make sense, but they do make excuses for their invisible man in the sky.

    • @kevincrady2831
      @kevincrady2831 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@axer3515 All he'd have to do is learn the concept of consent. "Hello. I'm God. I'd really like you to love me, but it's OK if you don't. Wait, people told you I was so insecure, sadistic and megalomaniacal that I would fly into an eternal rage-tantrum and torture you forever if you didn't, and playing hide-and-seek was the only way I could think of to give you free will?! HAHAHAHAHAHAA! Oh my me, that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard!"

  • @Meh......0
    @Meh......0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great work Paul!

    • @Paulogia
      @Paulogia  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate.

  • @01Aigul
    @01Aigul 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    When I want a relationship with someone, I take steps to ensure that the other person knows I exist. I don't, for example, leave hints in a book written a couple of thousand years ago, and then refuse to engage with them at all. God seems to be taking a really weird approach.

    • @01Aigul
      @01Aigul 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      lol, and before my wife and I got married, I did go to the effort of, you know, introducing myself to her.

  • @billjohnson9472
    @billjohnson9472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    As I understand this god is supposed to also be surrounded by a large number of lesser supernatural beings. which also do not show themselves. no one thinks of the angels!

    • @joeyangtree1862
      @joeyangtree1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Why would an omnipotent god have helpers? Do the angels realize that they all just have pointless, make-work jobs? Maybe that's why a lot of them quit.

    • @halcyonzenith4411
      @halcyonzenith4411 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here's one for you, if the angels are obedient to God, worship him endlessly and are immortal as well, why did he need to create humans for companionship? He already had the spellbound sycophants he wanted.

    • @billjohnson9472
      @billjohnson9472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@halcyonzenith4411 the whole obsession with worship puzzles me. these beings are complete and infinite, what could worship add for them?

    • @halcyonzenith4411
      @halcyonzenith4411 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@billjohnson9472 I suppose it's something to fill the infinite abyss of meaningless nothingness that mortals are so afraid to acknowledge and can't seem to deal with.

  • @johnnehrich9601
    @johnnehrich9601 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Amazing how believers will counter arguments like yours, Paul, by claiming major limitations on god. Then turn around and claim god is all-powerful, -knowledgeable, - loving.

    • @kevinkoch-jj1uj
      @kevinkoch-jj1uj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Consistency is not their strong suit.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The god is all-knowing but we have to pray so it knows who needs and deserves healing, ..., ahem.

  • @matthewstenger6150
    @matthewstenger6150 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You really lay out these arguments carefully and succinctly. Well done! I always enjoy watching your content.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why keep watching videos about something you hate?

    • @matthewstenger6150
      @matthewstenger6150 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 I like to be exposed to different arguments and lines of reasoning. Helps me expand my mind and explore my own positions more deeply. Besides, how do you know what I hate?

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@matthewstenger6150 the guy who makes the video, is a mocker. His reasoning isn't even accurate nor used in the right context. You said you always enjoy the content, therefore you are an enemy of God.

  • @berkah6240
    @berkah6240 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for laying this out so well!! And thank you to those who support Paulogia to make this possible!

  • @sobertillnoon
    @sobertillnoon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    12:02 I reject this premise. Plenty of people have just showed up in history and claimed that they are either god or have a direct line to god. Sure, some people call them crazy. But they alllllllllll seem to somehow get a following. So yes you can just show up and call yourself god. Things will not go that badly for you

    • @franchsli
      @franchsli 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I get that
      But remember that the eyewitness were willing to die for their beliefs
      If I walked with Jesus and after his death I knew that ge did nothing I would not doe for him, and Im pretty sure none of the early Christian would

    • @sobertillnoon
      @sobertillnoon 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @franchsli lotta Ifs there. We also don't know or have stories of jesus's direct disciples being martyred. So like, yeah, IF, sure. But seeing as so much of the new testament was late first century or even second century, I gotta believe it is made up.

  • @Desertphile
    @Desertphile 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Indeed. If the gods want us to actually know they exist, surely they would have found a way to do that by now.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The bible

    • @Desertphile
      @Desertphile 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 ; Paper gods can be destroyed by a mere kitchen match.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Desertphile I thought you looked more mature than that statement

    • @roderickcortez138
      @roderickcortez138 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 Just like comic books prove Superman.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@roderickcortez138 comics don't claim to be real, the bible does, so that's a poor comparison.

  • @RikardPeterson
    @RikardPeterson 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The example that stood out the most to me as unfair, when I was (in hindsight) in the process of losing my faith and crying out to God without any answer, was that of Gideon. Not only was he told what to do, he asked for confirmation through a specific sign (the dew on the fleece thing) and was given it. Twice! And I got nothing.
    And this story is told in church to show God's greatness?

    • @halcyonzenith4411
      @halcyonzenith4411 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Maybe if you put more money in the plate you'd get your wish. God hates a cheapskate

  • @zerofaith
    @zerofaith 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thanks for the "for those of you just listening along."

  • @Wulf169
    @Wulf169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    He could take the Colbert Questionnaire, and then he would finally be known to everyone.

    • @davidofoakland2363
      @davidofoakland2363 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Huh? What's the "Colbert Questionnaire"?

    • @RandyWinn42
      @RandyWinn42 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@davidofoakland2363 Genius talk show host Stephen Colbert will sometimes ask guests to answer 15 questions or so that reveal their true nature, e.g. "What is the best sandwich?"

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The God character would not even pass the Turin test.

    • @KaiHenningsen
      @KaiHenningsen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@dogwalker666 Turin is a town in Italy. Alan Turing was the war hero cryptologist who was persecuted for his homosexuality after whom the test is named.

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KaiHenningsen and? What has that non sequitur information got to do with anything?
      Oh wait you are a brainwashed creationist!

  • @GetMeThere1
    @GetMeThere1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I'd like to know why god would blatantly and unreservedly show himself SO INEFFECTIVELY that almost ALL of his most-favored believers on the scene at the show were so thoroughly unconvinced that they just ignored the whole thing.

    • @timp7796
      @timp7796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      By their god is weak af

  • @MarijnvdSterre
    @MarijnvdSterre 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    In a way, it is interesting to hear in what weird twisted "logic" people are forced to think when they work from a conclusion towards an explanation.

  • @Locust13
    @Locust13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Listening to Beggar here I was imagining that on his video people would be pointing out the obvious fallacies he was making, but instead, it was just wholehearted celebration of the fact that he had thoroughly proven God "praise Jesus!" It's sad seeing people fall for such bottom of the barrel apologetics.

    • @kmurphy0620
      @kmurphy0620 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was taken back that none of it was irony or sarcasm, but legitimate belief. When they explore these issues they experience cognitive dissonance, and find ways to temper it for the conclusion they favor.

  • @lordsrednuas
    @lordsrednuas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The more he talked, the worse he made his God look

  • @justincapable
    @justincapable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thanks, Paul. Earth is a Vault-Tec Corporation vault. That thought will be stuck in my head for a while.

  • @lnsflare1
    @lnsflare1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Instructions unclear; I am now in a personal relationship with Godzilla.

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      At least Godzilla is real! 🤣

  • @mikenash7049
    @mikenash7049 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    It all comes down to "You have to believe the Bible". It seems like all Christian apologetics can be refuted by responding, "I don't believe the Bible."

    • @davidhoffman6980
      @davidhoffman6980 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This reminds me of a certain catchy jingle.

    • @joe5959
      @joe5959 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Claiming incredulity isnt an argument against any position.

    • @davidhoffman6980
      @davidhoffman6980 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@joe5959 that's true. But he didn't make a claim of incredulity. A claim of incredulity would be along the lines of "I'm not aware of the Bible saying that." He's pointing out that if all Christian rhetoric boils down to quoting what they believe to be an authoritative source and he doesn't accept that source as authoritative, then all of their arguments fail at the foundation.

    • @mikenash7049
      @mikenash7049 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@joe5959 The point is that apologists start with the premise that the Bible is the infallible, inerrant Word of God, and they expect everyone to agree with that premise, so that anyone who says otherwise they claim is consciously lying. That's an absurd position because unless they possess the ability to read people's minds, they cannot know what someone else is thinking. If they accepted the fact that other people do not think the same things about the Bible that they do, and these people are not wicked, Satan-loving liars, they would try to come up with other arguments that don't rest solely on the alleged truth of the Bible.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the bible is untrue and unimportant, why keep watching videos about disproving the bible? 🤔

  • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
    @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    12:00 The Israelites got a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. How hard can it be?

  • @InigoMontoya-
    @InigoMontoya- 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    God hides because atheists are always picking on him. It’s a defense mechanism to protect his feelings.

    • @shassett79
      @shassett79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Just remember that god is an atemporal being. When you hurt its feelings, they stay hurt forever. Or never?
      Point is that being atemporal is hard, you insensitive monsters

    • @NightmareRex6
      @NightmareRex6 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      so gods "feelings" are more important than ppl roasting in hell for all effing eternity?

    • @antonioscendrategattico2302
      @antonioscendrategattico2302 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@NightmareRex6 Apparently, to that god, they are.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You guys are cracking me up, nice.

  • @Twentydragon
    @Twentydragon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    10:10 - Beggar, the answer is C. To an omnipotent being, introducing yourself to _everyone_ is no more effort at all than introducing yourself to _one_ .

  • @zugabdu1
    @zugabdu1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    This is a subset of a broader unified problem with an omnipotent deity - any problem that exists only exists because said deity caused it or permitted it in the first place.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    Yeah we all know the invisible sky wizard is the hide and seek champion of the universe.

    • @uncleanunicorn4571
      @uncleanunicorn4571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even though the ancient israelites allegedly saw him without their free will being violated

    • @Simon.the.Likeable
      @Simon.the.Likeable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@uncleanunicorn4571He appeared to them as a pillar of smoke in the day and a pillar of fire at night, just like the volcano/sky god he was for them at the time.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So God is a shy Jedi! 🤭

  • @timothyharmon9472
    @timothyharmon9472 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had lots of questions and reactions about this as it went along, but you adressed them all. Good job. One of your best.

  • @zartarious4909
    @zartarious4909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I appreciate your videos, ive been watching alot since i lost my faith, its reassuring knowing im not the only one.

  • @Ploskkky
    @Ploskkky 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    "Why doesn't God just show Himself?"
    Something that does not exist can't show itself.
    Also, exposing yourself is punishable by law.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God walked the earth as Jesus 😁

    • @itsaboutthattime4425
      @itsaboutthattime4425 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 no… he erm, didn’t.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@itsaboutthattime4425 you are saying Jesus didn't exist?

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Writer_Productions_Map you either believe all of the bible, or none of it. Jesus is the Jesus of the bible and he reigns in heaven

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@samuelcalderwood1379 "All or none", um, no, no reason to believe there are NO actual historical events related in the Bible, aling with the mythology.

  • @sbushido5547
    @sbushido5547 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Do they not realize that the "he did show himself" response completely defeats the purpose of half of their pathetic apologetics about this? If he did it once, why can't he do it again? As many times as it would take to get people to NOT burn in hell forever? It's ridiculous.

    • @mattr.1887
      @mattr.1887 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      100%. So many problems with 'but he DID appear!" Makes no sense that this God would make the ultimate sacrifice to secure that personal relationship, priority number 1 after all...and then just disappear.
      If have to accept Christian claims of supernatural appearance - without proof - then we are forced to also accept comparable claims from other faiths.
      These are the two biggest hurdles I see.

    • @franchsli
      @franchsli 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think I get what you mean
      But why should he reveal himself again?
      Keeping in mind that the first time made people change their ways, get what he meant, and although the early Christians were being persecuted and killed for their beliefs, Christianity converted in one of the largest religions at some point
      And remember
      If you do want to see him, you will "see" him

    • @sbushido5547
      @sbushido5547 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@franchsli
      ...why **shouldn't** he. If Christians want to believe that their god loves us soooo much, and is soooo powerful, showing up so that fewer of us end up spending eternity burning seems like the most trivial thing imaginable.
      This nonsense about persecution and popularity is laughable. We can see myriad examples **today** of people cynically using the religion and the pretense of being persecuted for it to secure themselves political/social power and wealth. There is literally no reason to believe it was any different hundreds of years ago.
      And of course, if you pretend hard enough, you can convince yourself of basically anything. Flat earthers exist in a world of satellites and space exploration.

  • @Reason1717
    @Reason1717 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What a wonderful, clear way to address this topic. Excellent video Paulogia, just excellent.

  • @UncleKennysPlace
    @UncleKennysPlace 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I do note that the original video (similarly to many others of that ilk) has essentially zero negative comments.
    Must be divine intervention.

  • @26beegee
    @26beegee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Paul, You express the very kind of thoughts and questions I have in response to defenders of God - except much more succinctly. Thank you!

  • @blackcitadel9
    @blackcitadel9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    "Oh God is definitely real. Only an all powerful deity could've fucked up something as simple as an introduction this badly." - Some sarcastic person on the internet

  • @thenerktwins
    @thenerktwins 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Paul, this is a fantastic video. Your content and arguments have grown better and better. Happy to be your biggest fan.

  • @juliuswilliams4447
    @juliuswilliams4447 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

    • @Paulogia
      @Paulogia  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you!

  • @some-other-time
    @some-other-time 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    There's current research (e.g., Stanford's Robert Sapolsky) that suggests we don't even choose what ideas we "choose" to expose ourselves to -- adding more evidence that we're not responsible for our beliefs.

  • @SpaceLordof75
    @SpaceLordof75 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Say that thousands of people know god, and talks to them.
    Why isn’t their description of god consistent?
    Couldn’t we have these people ask questions of the god they communicate with, and see if the answers agree? That would help others accept the idea. A scientific study could definitely be done.
    Weird.

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because the Holy Spirit is schizophrenic.

    • @Bojan12
      @Bojan12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@njhoepnerPick your words very carefully

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bojan12 I did.

    • @Bojan12
      @Bojan12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@njhoepner Whatever men sow he will reap

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bojan12 I meant what I said. Go ahead and sic your imaginary friend on me. I'm ready.

  • @reriuqne0-ny1er
    @reriuqne0-ny1er 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The ultimate argument against God.

  • @yvito125
    @yvito125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    If god wanted a relationship with me, god would shoot his/her shot. I'm an introvert 😂

    • @Bojan12
      @Bojan12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am too however I already got it

    • @yvito125
      @yvito125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Bojan12 A relationship involves 2 people. You're basically saying you have a girlfriend but nobody can meet her because she lives in Europe 😆😆😆

    • @Bojan12
      @Bojan12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yvito125 She is everywhere

    • @yvito125
      @yvito125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Bojan12 How did you verify that? What mechanism are you using to confirm this?

    • @Bojan12
      @Bojan12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yvito125 Our relationship

  • @kevinalanmattson
    @kevinalanmattson 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Chesterton suggested that insanity is not irrational. Rather the internal logic of the insane is airtight. Comedian Steven Wright said, "I came home and found everything in my house replaced by an exact duplicate." How can you argue with that?

  • @WoutervanJoolingen
    @WoutervanJoolingen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always enjoy that apologists seem to know how their god reasons and at the same time argue that its greatness is beyond our understanding.

  • @TomOmer42
    @TomOmer42 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Brilliant, Paul. Brilliant.

  • @jamiegallier2106
    @jamiegallier2106 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice work, as always!❤

  • @MacDruid1776
    @MacDruid1776 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A very nicely crafted episode!!!! Cheers!!!!

  • @EatHoneyBeeHappy
    @EatHoneyBeeHappy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Paul jokes with the Life of Bryan clip, but imbeggar is literally behaving like one of those people who starting following Bryan because of the holy shoe or holy gourd.

  • @DeludedOne
    @DeludedOne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    3:34 Not to mention that humans in the Bible were said to speak to God face-to-face (yet also that no one has seen the face of God). so when did we lose the ability to see God directly without our eyeballs melting like what happened in Raiders of the Lost Ark? Did God suddenly become a Lovecraftian deity where if we look upon him we will instantly die or go mad and/or mutate? In which case God can't really control his power and form and thus is not omnipotent.
    8:38 We have many instincts from birth by virtue of us being living creatures. These are things inherent to us, and Christians have even tried to shove their god among these instincts even though we really don't see him anywhere in them. So how is something that other Christian apologists have claimed to be the case, something that also takes away our freedom? Does instinctively reacting to movement take away our freedom and free will? Are the other apologists who say that our acknowledgment of a god is inherent and instinctual mean that they are claiming we have no freedom or free will?
    14:05 But the signs and wonders are not unique to a god either since the prophets of the god can also do those things, are they all gods (or God) then?

  • @majm4606
    @majm4606 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a slam dunk video. Just good point after good point that I've either seen made by others or made myself. Well done!

  • @schmetterling4477
    @schmetterling4477 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He did show himself to me. It was in church during an afternoon mass. It was me, three old ladies and a bored old priest who went through all the motions. That is when god told my eight year old self that he wasn't there, either. It was a total epiphany. I got up, got out and have been a happy atheist ever since. ;-)

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see what you did there. Nice.

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@inyobill I have never met a theist who could beat me in spirituality. I just don't believe in bullshit. ;-)

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@schmetterling4477 That is something I _can_ believe.

  • @toblexson5020
    @toblexson5020 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Beggar raises a good point, Jesus could have been an immortal being that just existed from the beginning. That'd be pretty good evidence that God existed. An undying, bullet proof, magical guy who just goes around showing off.

    • @niceguy191
      @niceguy191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Could've made sure to have several Jesuses all over and always. Every single person in all of history with a literal relationship with God, with personal time and teaching and guidance.

    • @toblexson5020
      @toblexson5020 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@niceguy191 God is omnipresent. Jesus could just appear next to anyone who ever needs spiritual help.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jesus did exist from the beginning

    • @toblexson5020
      @toblexson5020 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@samuelcalderwood1379 I clearly meant exist on Earth from the beginning, because it does no good having the proof of God exist in a magical realm that only people who already believe get to see after they die. And a book with no sign of divine inspiration isn't exactly a good replacement for actual evidence.

    • @samuelcalderwood1379
      @samuelcalderwood1379 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toblexson5020 sure you have the chance to believe, life is short eternity is endless. The bible itself says it is God inspired.

  • @Jonathan-k8n7r
    @Jonathan-k8n7r หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The arguments for God’s hiddenness were some of the first logical conundrums which I could not reconcile- leading to openly questioning a lot of the other truth claims of Christianity.
    Before really considering the issues with this problem, I was able to wordsmith and ‘accept’ other (now believed to be) fallacious arguments. Many people seem to initially get stumped with the problem of pain/suffering/evil. I can still find ways of justifying (not without problems though) at least parts of the best apologetics out there. However, from what I’ve read, heard and deduced over the years, the problem of hiddenness (which is webbed into many other problems) was one of the first ‘solid’ problems to reveal the foundational crack in Christianity (and subsequently many religions).