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I think Joel did the right thing for the wrong reasons. Solely because the Fireflies were NOT giving Ellie a choice. She's the only person that can decide to sacrifice her life. On the other hand, I believe Joel knew that if given the choice, Ellie would've chosen to sacrifice herself, so he also wasn't giving her a choice. Therefore, both sides are at fault here. But if I was in Joel's shoes, I can't say I would've done differently.
If you offer someone a choice between saving themselves or saving the world, which will they take? Is it worth the chance not curing the world for them to say no? To ultimately be selfish? The fireflies are rough though so who knows if they could actually do it
@@LewisB3217 Hi, Lewis. Hope you're well! Would you murder your own child to save humanity without even giving them the choice? I wouldn't. If so, you and I have fundamentally different values, to be honest. But I think that's the conversation the developers intended.
@@rikorobinson no worries lol. I wouldn’t either though, I think of it as that old railway track question, will you save 1 life to spend 5? Or 5 to spend 1? Have a good one 💯
I can’t stop obsessing over how good HBO is doing so far with episode 1. even the small things they changed work well and make sense to be tweaked. I love when they actually stick to the source material when it was already a good story to begin with without changes. I hope they continue to do so.
Pedro Pascal is a terrific actor- he is great in the role. I think as a human being the character did the best he could and if he let Ellie be killed it would have haunted him into insanity.
@callmejelly9732 unless they decide to show what happened in the years between games, rather than killing off the main character in season 2, I can see it not going down well again.
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I think anyone in Joel's position would do the same thing. Imagine losing your child and turning completely cold. Then decades later you met a girl around the same age as the daughter you lost and forming a fatherly bond with her over a year of relying on each other to survive. After all that someone tells you "we're gonna kill her now, that's cool with you right?" Nah. It is not cool. I would murder every one of them to protect her too. If they had waited for Ellie to wake up and she consented to giving her life and talked to Joel saying that was what she wanted then maybe he would've walked away
As a parent, I can't say I would have made a different decision from Joel. It is selfish to the world but I get it. Joel is a great character study though. Morally grey characters are always the best to dive deep into their heads.
Great breakdown! Very entertaining. 2:45 just for your own knowledge, that's not an officer. He's speaking TO an officer, but is most likely a lower enlisted given that's who gets the most dangerous and terrible jobs to do in combat. "Private, you're manning the gate", "Private, you're checking the perimeter", "Private, go search that vehicle for IED's and weapons" etc.
As a parent I think you all are over looking how he may not be able to loose another child. He simply can't handle it. I think that's humanity and a parents love. Who wouldn't save their kid?
Tbf if Joel had died towards the end of Part 2 and in I Am Legend fashion - Joel acknowledges the person he’d become and accepts his fate and willingly lets Abby kill him with the Club.. I would’ve been fine with that. But he literally dies at the beginning when nothing has been done with his character.
I know this is really dark but it’s The Last of Us; the series is dark…but maybe Ellie having a baby or fetus could be used to create a cure possibly the baby could inherit Ellie’s immunity to the CBI.
Nice video I cannot wait to see the last of us part 2 in season 2 or whatever sounds ni can see my favorite character abby going to town on people with a golf club my favorite and emotional scene 😁
To be fair, if someone is pointing a gun at your kid, you probably shouldn't cradle them like a meat shield. I digress, Joel is a good father. Ellie redeems Joel's values taught, by saving Tommy when he is in the same situation as Sarah was.
I think if this were a real scenario, they wouldn’t have been able to create a vaccine from just 1 immune person, and they wouldn’t have had to end her life immediately in order to do so… so they were pretty much just sentencing her to death. They also didn’t explain the procedure to Ellie which is pretty messed up! So the fireflies and Joel were both wrong imho
It would be a waste of a good actor if they stick with this storyline. As we all know, adapting stories for series and movies from the original stories can change to fit the narrative and the flow of a live action program. If they are smart, they would keep joel around much longer than the original. It would be worth it, considering everyone came to see him.
@@cleigh113no it’s not. If a cereal brand changes up a formula and people don’t like the new one as much, do you bitch and moan about fan service then too?
Actually 36 is 1967 in 2003 as Joel would be 56 in 2023 1968 is when the tv showed air Joel and tommy would be 56 and 52 I’m guessing in the tv show Btw my dad was a list of us fan he would have been the same age as Joel fyi
The thing is too, is that is even the world worth saving. Furthermore no one gave her agency, and also if ellie was awake who is to be sure that the fireflies would tell the truth to her and joel. The only reason why they told Joel the truth is because she was already on the table. Plus the vaccine was a long shot plus how are they going to distribute it. Its a lot. Regurdless. Joel should have told the truth he should have fought ,with words, the fireflies and wait until ellie awakes
Love your channel. Well the reality, you have to put your self in Joel shoes. He has lost everything and mean everything..finds something in life worth for and is again taken from him but he has a choice a selsfish one but none the less. For him is the perfect choice. Not to offer the only thing making him human to people who don't deserve it. I mean humanity...humans are the reason the wold is mess up. So I don't you will give your only child for salvation of humanity. God did... We are selfish creature and he did the most human thing...to safe his new found adopted daugther. My humble opinion.
I love your channel but man sometimes you oversaturate things with posting videos about the same show or movie like man there are so many good shows out rn and your talking about something that is only in its first episode
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Dude i like how you said "Ellie watches Joel pass away." The dude got his head smashed in like Glenn.
Random question for this video but will you do a breakdown for season 3 of His dark materials. Love the show but my brain hurts lol
I would have binged this show in record time if it all came out at once
Same😂
I think Joel did the right thing for the wrong reasons. Solely because the Fireflies were NOT giving Ellie a choice. She's the only person that can decide to sacrifice her life. On the other hand, I believe Joel knew that if given the choice, Ellie would've chosen to sacrifice herself, so he also wasn't giving her a choice. Therefore, both sides are at fault here. But if I was in Joel's shoes, I can't say I would've done differently.
If you offer someone a choice between saving themselves or saving the world, which will they take? Is it worth the chance not curing the world for them to say no? To ultimately be selfish? The fireflies are rough though so who knows if they could actually do it
@@LewisB3217 Hi, Lewis. Hope you're well! Would you murder your own child to save humanity without even giving them the choice? I wouldn't. If so, you and I have fundamentally different values, to be honest. But I think that's the conversation the developers intended.
@@rikorobinson lol, I’m not saying I would. I’m asking the question the devs wanted to be asked
@@LewisB3217 Ah, got it.
@@rikorobinson no worries lol. I wouldn’t either though, I think of it as that old railway track question, will you save 1 life to spend 5? Or 5 to spend 1? Have a good one 💯
I can’t stop obsessing over how good HBO is doing so far with episode 1. even the small things they changed work well and make sense to be tweaked. I love when they actually stick to the source material when it was already a good story to begin with without changes. I hope they continue to do so.
I don't know that I've ever heard anyone else narrate Heavy Spoilers videos besides Paul. It took my brain a second to readjust.
Great video!
Agreed!? Where’s Definition?
Interesting to remember that in the show both Joel and Tommy are combat veterans, there's a sticker in the truck " Desert Storm Combat Veteran "
Pedro Pascal is a terrific actor- he is great in the role. I think as a human being the character did the best he could and if he let Ellie be killed it would have haunted him into insanity.
I saw someone's comment on a video years ago which said "The world took everything from Joel, so he took everything from the world"
I love that this reminds me of the Lion King.
"When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world." Timon The Lion King
Watching Joel’s death on the new show is gonna be bloody hard… what’s worse is we know it’s inevitable
Suppose we’ll only see it if a season 2 is officially confirmed
@callmejelly9732 unless they decide to show what happened in the years between games, rather than killing off the main character in season 2, I can see it not going down well again.
Or worse, Alice. 😢
@@TheFinaltext ye good point
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Sir this is a TH-cam comments section.
Appreciate that. Definitely needed
I'm an atheist but thanks.
I'm a satanist but thanks
@@Tremori_A 😂
Part 3 could very well be a prequel of Joel & Tommy’s journey through the 20 years or so before he got to Boston.
Bruh i'm tired of hearing this, trhere's no way this will happen.
@@DanFarrell98Yep
@@DanFarrell98 facts but I definitely think that’s coming down the road they will most likely close out Ellie’s story first
The dude they cast as Joel is crushing it. Same energy. Same vibe. Masculine and brooding.
I’m still so mad at Neil druckmann and naughty dog for what they did to Joel in part 2
Dont excuse a character for showing love and blame another for showing the exact emotion
@@euclidesoliveira3034Don't you dare love your own mother more than all the other mothers, don't you know they are mothers too!
Yeah, I hope that decision kills the show, honestly. I know I won’t be watching once that happens in the show.
Remember when we first thought that Abby was ellies mother, ahhh good times good times
Looooool
Never thought that even for a second, I threw her off a cliff the first chance I had.
We need more shows like this
Bro I cried when he asked tommy for help Pedro pascal is the perfect actor for Joel
I think anyone in Joel's position would do the same thing. Imagine losing your child and turning completely cold. Then decades later you met a girl around the same age as the daughter you lost and forming a fatherly bond with her over a year of relying on each other to survive. After all that someone tells you "we're gonna kill her now, that's cool with you right?" Nah. It is not cool. I would murder every one of them to protect her too. If they had waited for Ellie to wake up and she consented to giving her life and talked to Joel saying that was what she wanted then maybe he would've walked away
I doubt that he would have walked away.
That clicker joke for clicking the video was so smooth LOL!
Amazing Video Jarred 👍
As a parent, I can't say I would have made a different decision from Joel. It is selfish to the world but I get it. Joel is a great character study though. Morally grey characters are always the best to dive deep into their heads.
Cool video man I never played the games but I’m really into the show. Can’t wait for the next episode.
Great breakdown! Very entertaining.
2:45 just for your own knowledge, that's not an officer. He's speaking TO an officer, but is most likely a lower enlisted given that's who gets the most dangerous and terrible jobs to do in combat.
"Private, you're manning the gate", "Private, you're checking the perimeter", "Private, go search that vehicle for IED's and weapons" etc.
As a parent I think you all are over looking how he may not be able to loose another child. He simply can't handle it. I think that's humanity and a parents love. Who wouldn't save their kid?
I can't wait for that interrogation scene with Joel and 2 bandits. >.
Episode 1 was lit on fire 🔥
Thanks for the info
thanks again!! :)
Joel Miller and Ellie Williams are my favourite characters.
This is the way.
That guitar is a Taylor! You can't leave that hanging around!!!
Hope Joel doesn’t go golfing in the final 😂
Tbf if Joel had died towards the end of Part 2 and in I Am Legend fashion - Joel acknowledges the person he’d become and accepts his fate and willingly lets Abby kill him with the Club.. I would’ve been fine with that. But he literally dies at the beginning when nothing has been done with his character.
gonna have to get a playstation to finally play these games
Coming to pc in March
It's getting released for pc soon
I know this is really dark but it’s The Last of Us; the series is dark…but maybe Ellie having a baby or fetus could be used to create a cure possibly the baby could inherit Ellie’s immunity to the CBI.
Jared very good job on this video brother!! Paul keep this guy around yeah! Maybe a pay raise too... OK maybe that's too much hahah
So good!
pescal is awsome
Killing her (that surgery) wouldn't have worked, not even to further the research. He didn't sacrifice humanity for himself or for her wider purpose.
We never wanted to shoot the doctor, damnit!!!!
episode 1 was indeed amazing
Nice video I cannot wait to see the last of us part 2 in season 2 or whatever sounds ni can see my favorite character abby going to town on people with a golf club my favorite and emotional scene 😁
I've been watching these videos related to The Last Of Us series since we have to wait a week for the next episode.
I always loved how much Joel liked football, and hated golf.
Layers.
Joel is like layers.
Joel has layers.
Where is Joel? Who is Joel? Why is Joel?
“I’ll do you one better!” … you forgot that part 🤣
Pretty sure Joes was around 60 when he died. He was 36 in 2003/2013, 56 in 2023/2033, and TLoU 2 is set 4-5 years after the first.
My favorite video character ever
Liked at "sporers"
Awesome!! You are excited about this show.
Lets go🔥🤙🏻😁
Video ends at 15:22
I wonder how many seasons r they going to push ?
You mean Llewellyn? Moss was his last name. 18:97
Your voice sounds better in this video bro
Don't worry, if you keep practicing,one day you too will achieve Paul's mastery of bad pun-manship!
To be fair, if someone is pointing a gun at your kid, you probably shouldn't cradle them like a meat shield.
I digress, Joel is a good father. Ellie redeems Joel's values taught, by saving Tommy when he is in the same situation as Sarah was.
Your doing an AMAZING American accent.
I think if this were a real scenario, they wouldn’t have been able to create a vaccine from just 1 immune person, and they wouldn’t have had to end her life immediately in order to do so… so they were pretty much just sentencing her to death. They also didn’t explain the procedure to Ellie which is pretty messed up! So the fireflies and Joel were both wrong imho
Why is there a new host?
Seeing how well TLOU is doing as a life action crossover, I wish Red Dead Redemption would follow suit
I don't think Joel was selfish. He loved her as if she were his daughter. As a parent, I couldn't let doctors sacrifice my daughter for humanity.
we are born the SAME DAY 26th September 1981 !!
Try not to cry challenge: Final Boss Grounded difficulty
It would be a waste of a good actor if they stick with this storyline. As we all know, adapting stories for series and movies from the original stories can change to fit the narrative and the flow of a live action program. If they are smart, they would keep joel around much longer than the original. It would be worth it, considering everyone came to see him.
that is called fan-service...
@@cleigh113no it’s not. If a cereal brand changes up a formula and people don’t like the new one as much, do you bitch and moan about fan service then too?
Grey is the best color for morales.
If you like living at least.
Florence Pugh for Abby please! 😭
She shot the dude with Joel’s gun didn’t kill him with her knife but great video
Where is Paul???
Joel should have just told the fireflies to draw blood from Ellie instead of taking her brain 😢
The infection had overtaken her brain; they needed to open her head to investigate. Drawing blood may not be useful enough.
Joel already mentioned that but Marlene said that wouldn’t work
Actually 36 is 1967 in 2003 as Joel would be 56 in 2023
1968 is when the tv showed air
Joel and tommy would be 56 and 52 I’m guessing in the tv show
Btw my dad was a list of us fan he would have been the same age as Joel fyi
Eli didn’t use her knife she shot him in the hotel
The thing is too, is that is even the world worth saving. Furthermore no one gave her agency, and also if ellie was awake who is to be sure that the fireflies would tell the truth to her and joel. The only reason why they told Joel the truth is because she was already on the table. Plus the vaccine was a long shot plus how are they going to distribute it. Its a lot. Regurdless. Joel should have told the truth he should have fought ,with words, the fireflies and wait until ellie awakes
CORRALLLL
Heavy spoilers milking the last drop out of the Last Of Us series 😂😂😂
Part 1 is great
Part 2 - Who?
You describe this like a child would.
Her children would be immune
Love your channel. Well the reality, you have to put your self in Joel shoes. He has lost everything and mean everything..finds something in life worth for and is again taken from him but he has a choice a selsfish one but none the less. For him is the perfect choice. Not to offer the only thing making him human to people who don't deserve it. I mean humanity...humans are the reason the wold is mess up. So I don't you will give your only child for salvation of humanity. God did...
We are selfish creature and he did the most human thing...to safe his new found adopted daugther. My humble opinion.
Wooooooo 🫡
The Fireflies and Joel should if let the decision be ELLIE'S... they both failed.
To bad I played the original and the remake and the show
hated playing as abby
Jared !!! 🤬
Jared is cool!
Felt the same way soon as the voice dropped lol😂😂😂😂
@@UncleGunz83 Thats exactly how I felt too 😂
@@lenkogenchev6120 foolish, „spoires“ what a fool 😡😂
Go WOKE, you go BROKE
Glad I can separate the actor from the character.
The Last of Us Part 2 is dogshit and it's horrendous should not be acknowledged.
There is no Part 2 in Ba Sing Se.
I don't blame Joel for doing what he did. He doesn't want to the world to go back to rat race, pollution and laws etc haha. Can't blame him haha
I’m buying the last of us 2 just to play as Abby n make he die every time… I’m getting payback for Joel
I love your channel but man sometimes you oversaturate things with posting videos about the same show or movie like man there are so many good shows out rn and your talking about something that is only in its first episode
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Really milking the teet of the Last of Us huh? Cool.
Is Joel's last name still Miller in the show being that he's Latino in this version?