Hi, Josh. I really like your videos. As I am Japanese, I will give you a tip. By the Japanese privacy Law, you can't take or videotape other people's face without their consent. You must blurr their face. I'm sure you want to avoid any troubles. By the way, some airlines don't dim the lights for the cabin crews to see what's going on the cabin. That is also the safety procedure from another perspective.
@@飛行機大好き-v3l you are right about the taking pictures. For the safety you are wrong though. Lights need to be turned off for take off and landing. Cabin crew need to ensure that they are ready incase of anything. It is unlikely but just in case.
Hi I’m Japanese student in Aviation College at Tokyo and I really love your videos! By the way just for info, the regulations about the light been dimmed during take off or landing depends on the country aviation law. In Japan they are not forced to dim the lights so it depends on the carrier! Hope you’ve read this and got this information! Have a nice day!
It might not be a law but it would make a lot of sense, so that is not a valid defense IMO. It is not a law to not smoke, still it is much safer not to do so.
If it's not a law it should be a company policy. I was a cabin safety instructor for 14 years and it would bother me. We had a lot of additional safety policies that were above and beyond the law.
From what I know it is not required by Japanese law to turn off the lights during takeoff. I know JAL and Jetstar Japan dims the lights during night takeoff and landing and ANA and Peach chooses not to dim the lights. Since Peach is partially owned by ANA, I would assume this isn't just a mistake by the cabin crew but rather their policy. Although I'm not completely sure, I think ANA once said that they choose not to dim the lights because turning them off might scare or frighten the passengers. Nonetheless it's a pretty dated concept and I definitely think they should change it.
So imagine being on that plane that Josh was on… and there was an accident on the runway where cabin lights would be off completely. You and 179 other passengers would be blinded and it would take valuable seconds for your eyes to adjust to find an exit, lessening your chances of survival. Telling me that’s a good policy?
How often did that cause the actual issue in Japan? Zero in the last 30yrs as I understand it. Perhaps people who are nervous should start wearing sunglasses upon landing just in case?
Hi Josh! Cabin crew here from Australia. Definitely something to be concerned about and you’re not being dramatic at all. Hopefully this was just a one off forgetfulness of the crew and not a company procedure to keep the lights on. Out of interest did they dim the lights for take off? I know it was still light outside but we dim ours for take off and landing regardless of the time of day.
During the flights especially for night - flight or red eye flight, while take off and landing the cabin lights should be dimmed. Due to make anticipation of those passangers in the emergency situation.
Peter have you ever gone into a room with the lights on then try to see with them off immediately after? You have glare and can’t see much, certainly not clearly. This is procedure drawn up based upon science by people much smarter than you and I. I fully support this procedure also as I very much know how long it can take for your eyes to adjust
Chatta290 Good Thinker. I do prefer to dim the lights when I wanna see what's happened Outside. It make me more comfortable and see clearly than the lights is turn on thou.
Band-Maid Sheep Well maybe there are several reason why the cabin crew to do so. :) once again those situation depend on the circumstances. Anyone had their own choice to choose which one is more safe :)
Just as an information: On domestic Japanese flights (where not the FAA (American Federal Aviation Administration) is setting the framework but the JCAB (Japan Civil Aviation Bureau)) it is not required by law to dim the lights during take off and landing. It depends on each airline whether to dim the lights or not. So for example JAL (and also other JAL Group Airlines) are dimming the lights but ANA (and their group Airlines f.e. Peach) are not.
Hi Josh, cabin crew here, it depends mostly where Peach Airlines has its AOC registration because they will follow that country's rules and regulations. So either they screwed up or this is their SOP.
But how he could know? They didn't, so he assumed this is Peach procedure. Any review doesn't make sense if you cannot generalize... But it does, because every Peach flight should have the same standards.
It doesn’t matter if they did it for your flight or a million of their other flights, they didn’t do it on his flight and that’s 1 too many that they didn’t follow safety protocol.
@@Kimchi_-nw8vg yeah. The only way to judge is by flying the airline multiple times. When someone flying the airline for the first time they'll assume the airline is like that
@@aslamnurfikri7640 no not by flying multiple times. Like kimchi said it only takes 1 accident. Then boom. There are no more “multiple times”. First impression counts.
Qantas flights do not shut off lights during night t/o and landings. The logic proven is that lights on in the cabin makes passengers more awake and alert during take off and landing. Statistically more people fall asleep especially during night take offs and landings when lights are off. You want full pax attention including safety video demo too vs more than half of the pax sleeping. Crew members can also see pax Australia and also Japan law does not regulate light off on.
Hey josh cabin crew here based in jfk ny. been a flight Attendant for a long time and never see that with the lights.the first thing I do is dim lights as soon as we start taxing.but the video was very nice and totally agree with you.
Dimming cabin light in critical phase. This is not required in Japanese aviational law. Therefore, this procedure is not required in ANA group airlines. Only Japan-air dim cabin lights in Japan. You cannot criticize just because it is LCC.
Thanks, Josh, for shedding a light (no pun intended): It's not so much that you can't see (and thus avoid) debris on the ground once you've evacuated, it's rather that people just automatically stop moving forward when they can't see what's ahead of them. If you'd be about to enter a flight of stairs but not seeing the actual stairs, you'd stop moving and gradually and slowly "feel" your way one step at a time until your eyes have adopted to the darkness and resume feeding visual information again. That's just our instincts and most of us cant't do anything about it even if we knew it in advance. There is emercency lighting in the plane but once you've made it to the chute and took the ride, you're likely to stop where you end up and risk being badly hurt by the person sliding down the slide behind you - while you've should have been clearing that space immediately in the first place. What you potentially get in a case like this is a pile of people blocking the escape area for avoidable reasons on otherwise safe ground. That's why they dim cabin lights during T/O and landings, be it during daylight or night operations, and also why you'd try to get the first one down to be brave enough to stay and shove all the passengers that follow out of the way and away from the aircraft for that matter. Edit: Typo.
None of that is true. The cabin lights are dimmed at night so that passenger’s eyes acclimate to the dark in case of an accident where the cabin will likely lose power so that they can evacuate quickly.
I would like to correct some details in your video: I am cabin crew for a large European Airline. There is an advice for cabin lights during take-off and landing in dark, but no strict regulation. Airlines are free to make their own judgement. Further more the 90 second evacuation detail is not a strict rule either, but it is a limit that is set for certification of an aircraft. There is no rule that an aircraft ‘must’ be evacuated within 90 seconds, but for the certification of a new aircraft it must be certain that the aircraft can be evacuated by trained crew within 90 seconds with only half of the exits available. It is not fair to judge the safety record or procedures of an airline when actually they are operating within safety limits and regulations.
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated. But what is the difference between a regulation and strict regulation? Rules are rules, no? Looking forward to your answer.
Josh Cahill you are right, but some rules are very clear and easy to adhere to. Others are free for interpretation. For the cabin lights as an example: there is no ‘black and white’ instruction on how to manage the cabin lights. Airlines are free to create the environment they deem most safe in combination with, for example, comfort. To give another example: the use of personal electronic devices during take-off and landing. Some airlines allow the use of some devices, others prohibit the use completely. It is free for interpretation. There are rules and advices, but they are not that clear and strict. Another example: some airlines require all window shades to be open and armrests down for every take-off and landing, other airlines don’t have rules for this at all. But that take-off cannot commence until the cabin manager has given an all safe signal (cabin ready for take-off) is a strict rule. Hów the purser gives the signal however, can be different again for every airline.
I quite used Peach a lot when I lived in Japan. I would say it's all for the price. And I can remember that most of the times they don't dim the lights. Idk if it's domestic thing or not, because when I flew with them to Korea they actually did dim the lights...
You're totally correct...Peach is all about price and short domestic flights. If you have a lot of time to travel or prefer more affordable choice than Shinkansen, I would choose Peach or Jetstar Japan.
It appears that, from previous comments, that it’s not Peach Aviation’s standard operating procedure to dim (or to turn off) cabin lights during take off / landing even though this is pretty much an industry standard practice. As a current flight attendant, I can say that in an emergency evacuation, day or night, one of the things we are instructed to do is set cabin lights to bright... Now, I don’t know what’s more of a shock during a night time emergency: cabin lights dim/off during take off/landing, emergency evacuation occurs, cabin lights to bright then you jump out into the dark OR cabin lights on, emergency evacuation occurs then jump out into the dark (cabin lights are already on)... Evacuation may be quicker with the latter since vision does not have to adjust and passengers can immediately focus on getting out of aircraft... Just a thought...
I flew with All Nippon Airways from NRT to KUL on early December 2019 and the same case happened. They didn’t dimmed the light for take off and landing too.
ANA and Peach do not turn off their lights during night takeoffs and landings. I don't know why they don't turn them off, but JAL airlines dim their lights during takeoff and landing at night. So you can see the outside scenery clearly.
It is not a single occurance and happend to me as well last year with Peach on the route HKG-KIX. It was a night flight with takeoff and landing in the dark and the cabin was daylight bright. Maybe this is not compulsory in Japan?
It is a common mis-conception to think that every jurisdiction adhere to the lightout on take off / landing principle at night. That is simply not true, a good example is Japan and Thailand, both country does not follow that rules. (Note: this is a very common mis-conception for aviation blogger or TH-camr or even people who works in the industry who only fly domestically and not internationally). There are two side of the argument of which is "better", but in reality there are no definite answer. As it has been pointed out by a lot of people, the common understanding for dimming the lights are for eye adjustment, but it is important to note that the eye adjustment are not for you to get off the airplane, rather it is for you once you are outside of the airplane. During evcuation, all the exit and slides are very brightly lit and this is by design by the airplane manufacturer (in fact there is a flood light that illuminate the whole slide once it is deployed). The dimming of the light is really for once you have gotten on the ground. Or in situation where there is a complete power outage on the plane (which is rare). On the other hand, keeping the light on has their own advantage. By keeping the light on, you are forcing the passenger to be more alert and less passenger is likely to be asleep. And therefore during an emergency evacuation, there is a higher chance that your passenger will have a faster responds time. Rather then someone who just got woken up by the cabin crew shouting at them for evcuation.
Hello, I am an airline captain based in Japan and I can explain why Peach (and ANA for that matter) don't dim the cabin lights during approach and landing. For pilots it helps us to see other aircraft easier at night and also to tell which direction the other aircraft is traveling in. It's much easier to see a long line of illuminated cabin windows stretching the entire length of the fueselage, than it is to just see the regular anti-collision lights mounted on the wingtips and a few other places. During cruise it is less important because aircraft are spaced farther apart, but during approach and landing, aircraft are in much closer proximity to each other so collision avoidance utilizing "see and avoid" as a last resort, becomes more critical. There is a valid argument for the ability of the flight attendants to see outside of the windows easier to maintain their orientation if we crash or have to evacuate, but during those scenarios all of the aircraft emergency lights and interior lighting will automatically be turned up to full intensity anyways.
Each Japanese airline has different rule/beliefs about cabin lighting during landing and takeoff. JAL is of the belief that it is safer to keep the cabin dark. On the other hand, ANA (parent company for Peech) does not have any rules because it does not believe lighting makes any safety difference. ANA believes lighting is a part of inflight service and they keep lights on when most passengers are awake even during landing. As such, I do not believe Peech was in violation of Japanese aviation laws or its corporate guidelines on this flight.
Good to know about the cabin lights, I'm going to Japan in May (with some trip reports hopefully). Had that happen on an American Eagle flight once. Great video!
@@ElusiveTy The FAA doesn’t have any relevance for flights in Asia lol. That’s up to their authorities and as far as Japan goes it’s not mandatory to dim the lights during night landings/takeoffs.
Just saw this video after a year. Turning off lights at night for take off and landing is most likely not required by Japanese regulations. The airline registered in the country will simply follow what their regulators told them to do. I have not flown Peach but I have flown ANA many times, on both international and domestic. I don't recall ANA turning off lights for either take off or landing at night for either international or domestic flights. There was once I was flying from Haneda to Hong Kong on ANA 767-300, departing Haneda at 1am and arriving at Hong Kong at 5am. Obviously the light was off for most of the flight for passengers to sleep. I remember they actually turned ON the light when landing. So I would not even rule out that it may be a Japanese regulatory requirement to have lights on.
It takes the human eye 30 min to adjust and gain optimum "night vision" whilst that same "night vision" will be lost if 1 single light source catches your eye for a couple of seconds. This is straight out of my PPL human performance theory, so realistically dimming the cabin lights won't do you any good in case of an emergency.
Same experience. Took a night flight to korea and they did not dim the lights at take off and at landing. The flight was very turbulent mid way and the cabin crew just sat at their jumpseats all the way till touchdown. NO pre-arrival checks to see if pax had seatbelts on or to clear the aisle. Horrible experience.
I like it when Josh said he watched Sailormoon when he was a kid. Makes me feel he is very relatable 🤗 Safe flights Josh and thanks for the all the reviews 🙏
Personally I do think you are exaggerating a bit. Every country has their own rules and regulations, and I do believe that a dark cabin would help on an emergency, but this is not a universal rule. BTW, you should consider getting an external mic for your onboard shots, or maybe redub it afterwards, because it’s extremely difficult estou hear what you are saying on your onboard clips, after the engine is running.
Every time I fly in the US at night the blinds are shut and the lights are on full. My opinion about Japan was they are following the US approach as it's also happened to me on JAL.
Then with all due respect, you should point this out to the airlines every time it happens as I can guarantee you that it is not company policy but simply crew oversight.
As a former cabin crew, I do agree with your opinion, to dim a light between take off and landing. However, if you think they are risking passengers lives in danger by just simply forgot to turn off a light, that is not correct since Japanese aviation law does not regulate it but it is a discretion of crew or company. I hope you published this vid after checking it with Peach. Personally, I want them to change their policy and dim a light for safety, which make sense for me too. Have a nice flight!
Just so u know the companies who build these planes Boeing n Airbus have it in their manuals that the light are to be dimmed before takeoff so I trust the plane developers over a pilot anyday.
Had similar experience in my previous flight.. I know it was not a red eye one, but I thought at first it is a safety procedure regardless outside brightness.. but just correct me if I'm wrong..
I flew Air DO ( another Japan LCC ) last month and they had the lights on the whole time as well. I'm starting to guess that it may not be a required practice here. Long story short, if there was a regulation, every airline would follow them to a T in Japan, so I'm guessing it's not an airline issue but a national regulatory issue here.
@@PersonalQuotez FAA is American. If this was the case, there wouldn't be airlines banned from European airspace, if they all had to follow FAA (which they don't). Japan Civil Aviation Authority is responsible for regulations here.
It boggles the mind that some people still think that an American regulatory body has jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's domestic flight regulations.
Keith what boggles my mind is fools that think they know better (like you) but fly on a plane MADE IN AMERICA 😂😂😂 u idiot u do know boeing is an American plane right?!🤦🏽♂️ and yes in the Boeing manual it says lights must be turned off before takeoff. But u clearly think Japan is full of the smartest people. How are those Japanese planes working out? Oh wait u fools haven't built any.
The jury's still out on whether dimming the lights will actually save more lives. Different countries and airlines have different policies. Some allow passengers to use ear/headphones on take off/landing, while others don't. Others insist that mobiles may not be turned on until one is inside the terminal, while others allow phones to be turned on while the plane is still taxiing to the gate. Which airline is safer, Josh? So it is disappointing to see him setting his mob loose on an airline from a country that is a stickler for rules. I'm 100% sure that if Japanese regulations call for the lights to be dimmed, it would have been dimmed. I hope Josh will at least try to clarify with the FAs or the airline before passing judgment so quickly.
The jury is not still out on whether dimming lights and opening window shades is helpful in case of an emergency. That is a fact. As for electronics, they have been proven to not affect flight systems in the slightest. But electronics change rapidly, and are loosely regulated, so often times airlines wisely choose to play it safe. But I agree that the airline should have been queried about what their company's protocol actually is. Unless the staff was new, it's unlikely they "forgot" such a thing.
@@watershed44 Agreed. Whether they understand the why of it or not, it won't hurt to just do it. As for performance improvement during a potential night time emergency evacuation, it is proven to help. It is even more important today, now that airlines have higher capacities as well as higher load factors. When the cabin is filling up with smoke, every second one delays might cost someone their life. People have a tendency to freeze when they can't see what's ahead of them. Putting out the lights, and opening the shades reduce the time needed for passengers' eyes to adapt to the dark. They could use red light, but darkening the cabin is easier and likely preferred by most passengers.
@@watershed44 Oh that's nice! I guess it works as well then. Do you remember which airlines they were? I'd like to check them out sometime. I'm still new to LED cabins. Not sure how I feel about colour changing cabins yet, but I'm getting used to them. Oranges and Blues are fine. But Greens and Purples, not for me I think.
@@watershed44 Josh shouldn't pass himself off as the authority on airline safety then. FYI, Qantas does not allow non-English speaking passengers to sit at the exit rows. Should all other airlines implement this out of an abundance of caution? No exit row for you because you cannot speak Korean or Swahili. Now imagine an exit row with no passengers to open the emergency exits during a crash. Which is safer, having passengers who can't speak the airline's language or not having any passengers to open the emergency exits quickly? I think it's best to leave it to the experts to decide what is the best for their airlines. Vloggers should just stick to vlogging.
@@WhiteKestrell cite your source please. The issue in dispute is the dimming of lights, not the opening of window shades. Please do not conflate the 2 issues as the same thing.
Josh, a few questions: Do the flight crews performed the safety demo only in Japanese? If they do, that's my second concern. How can a foreigner who don't speak a high level of Japanese understands what they're saying? From what I've saw on some videos, they even did it on international flights. Also do you have any communicating issues with the crews of this flight? Cuz I wanna fly with Japanese budget carriers, but my Japanese is nowhere near functional. Thanks!
Hi josh. I have taken peach before last year on flight MM28 from Taiwan to Osaka. I faced the same issue on cabin crew not dimming the light during take off and landing. Worst still.. I was on the aisle seat. So when the plane landed.. I dont even know and I thought what has happened because it was so loud suddenly! Indeed peach should treat take this as paramount importance as it concerns safety.
This is standard on all Japanese airlines and actually many airlines around the world these days. For many years, QF's procedure was to have the cabin lights fully on for take-off and landing, it's not such a big deal. It is airline policy, but it is not regulation. It really just depends if the airline implements it or not. It is good to do, it does have safety benefits and everyone would like them to be dimmed, but it’s not a no-go safety critical issue. Besides most passengers turn on their overhead light when the lights are dimmed anyway. Way to go with the over-dramatic click-bait title!
Great review as always Josh, I'm going through some thought times lately and seeing your videos makes me feel better, never stop smiling, you're great! greetings from France.
Josh...it is very concerning that they didn't dim the lights. Everything you said is totally correct. I would address this with the airline. I used to be in the industry, and once, I was on a flight years ago, and they put luggage blocking the emergency exit. One of the people I was traveling with, said if they didn't correct the situation immediately, she wanted to disembark and would report it to the FAA. My flight was a flight attendant. The crew did as she said, and we took off. That airline is still in business. I won't mention who it was. My point is sometimes they know better but are being lazy or they think passengers won't realize. Very sad.
Safety issues always matter because even though accidents are rare, they do happen. For the reasons you have stated, the lights should be dimmed as a basic procedure. Thank you for the video.
yes it is critical I agree, airline's safety procedure which is common to all aviation's protocols. to dim the cabin lights while landing.though it varies to different airlines however it should be a protocol..I guess?
Ah here we go again, another airline forgetting the lights. It's an absolute no no and no Josh you aren't being dramatic at all! It is a major safety concern for all passengers and crew on board! I really hope this is a one off thing that a forgetful crew member forgot the lights or something, if not I sincerely hope Peach doesn something about it ASAP
i think if you need the leg space than you should take the Shinkansen. travel time will be longer but it departs and arrives in city center so the total time generally is the same. … unless if you want to an airplane of course.
Interesting review! I agree with you on the question about the cabin lights. If they don´t think about that procedure what else can they ignore? Not good!
Its hard to believe that this kind of problem happened in first world nation like japan. Usually developed countries has better quality of airlines safety regulation than developing countries. I flu with ANA many years ago, they have good quality of safety and services
I did vanilla Air tpe-nrt a week before they stopped doing that service. I found them quite good for a budget airline and sad that they are now gone. Like peach air their check in opens an hour and half before hand and I was worried about vanilla Air trying to manually check in 180 people in an hour. I can't remember the lights but they dim for most of the flight
Josh, the vast majority of domestic pax in Japan are Japanese. That would figure, eh. They are on average smaller than most westerners. I dont know why you, a westerner are so touchy about leg room on the Peach flight.
I’m smaller than the average Japanese and as the title suggests, it’s a review so I cater an audience from midgets to giants. I’m totally fine with it, the midget might love it and the giant Russian bloke won’t probably. That’s what a product review stands for :)
They say airline trade does aren’t usually just one thing, but a collection of small things they add up. Dimming the lights may seem like a small thing, but it really can save lives when you have some other emergency going on.
in japan, high density narrow seat is predominant in domestic or short haul int routes. but, long-haul routes, half of cabin is filled business class seat.
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Hi, Josh. I really like your videos. As I am Japanese, I will give you a tip. By the Japanese privacy Law, you can't take or videotape other people's face without their consent. You must blurr their face. I'm sure you want to avoid any troubles. By the way, some airlines don't dim the lights for the cabin crews to see what's going on the cabin. That is also the safety procedure from another perspective.
When you gonna review Air Belavia ?
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@@飛行機大好き-v3l you are right about the taking pictures. For the safety you are wrong though. Lights need to be turned off for take off and landing. Cabin crew need to ensure that they are ready incase of anything. It is unlikely but just in case.
Hi I’m Japanese student in Aviation College at Tokyo and I really love your videos! By the way just for info, the regulations about the light been dimmed during take off or landing depends on the country aviation law. In Japan they are not forced to dim the lights so it depends on the carrier! Hope you’ve read this and got this information! Have a nice day!
good information tho...!
it seems that the law isn't safe at all
It might not be a law but it would make a lot of sense, so that is not a valid defense IMO. It is not a law to not smoke, still it is much safer not to do so.
If it's not a law it should be a company policy. I was a cabin safety instructor for 14 years and it would bother me. We had a lot of additional safety policies that were above and beyond the law.
It’s not a regulation, it’s a standard safety measure everywhere else.
From what I know it is not required by Japanese law to turn off the lights during takeoff. I know JAL and Jetstar Japan dims the lights during night takeoff and landing and ANA and Peach chooses not to dim the lights. Since Peach is partially owned by ANA, I would assume this isn't just a mistake by the cabin crew but rather their policy. Although I'm not completely sure, I think ANA once said that they choose not to dim the lights because turning them off might scare or frighten the passengers. Nonetheless it's a pretty dated concept and I definitely think they should change it.
Lol "scare" the passenger 😂😂😂😂
No Strobe lights too?
So imagine being on that plane that Josh was on… and there was an accident on the runway where cabin lights would be off completely. You and 179 other passengers would be blinded and it would take valuable seconds for your eyes to adjust to find an exit, lessening your chances of survival. Telling me that’s a good policy?
How often did that cause the actual issue in Japan? Zero in the last 30yrs as I understand it. Perhaps people who are nervous should start wearing sunglasses upon landing just in case?
You’re not over dramatic and u did say the fact. Thanks for pointing out that critical procedure.
I agree, Not over dramatic
You're both dumb, it is over dramatic. There is no such procedure in Japan.
Hi Josh! Cabin crew here from Australia. Definitely something to be concerned about and you’re not being dramatic at all. Hopefully this was just a one off forgetfulness of the crew and not a company procedure to keep the lights on. Out of interest did they dim the lights for take off? I know it was still light outside but we dim ours for take off and landing regardless of the time of day.
During the flights especially for night - flight or red eye flight, while take off and landing the cabin lights should be dimmed. Due to make anticipation of those passangers in the emergency situation.
Peter have you ever gone into a room with the lights on then try to see with them off immediately after? You have glare and can’t see much, certainly not clearly. This is procedure drawn up based upon science by people much smarter than you and I. I fully support this procedure also as I very much know how long it can take for your eyes to adjust
Chatta290 Good Thinker. I do prefer to dim the lights when I wanna see what's happened Outside. It make me more comfortable and see clearly than the lights is turn on thou.
LOL I never see Cebu Pacific in the Philippines dimming their lights during landing at night, so, there you go. :)
Band-Maid Sheep Well maybe there are several reason why the cabin crew to do so. :) once again those situation depend on the circumstances. Anyone had their own choice to choose which one is more safe :)
Just as an information:
On domestic Japanese flights (where not the FAA (American Federal Aviation Administration) is setting the framework but the JCAB (Japan Civil Aviation Bureau)) it is not required by law to dim the lights during take off and landing. It depends on each airline whether to dim the lights or not.
So for example JAL (and also other JAL Group Airlines) are dimming the lights but ANA (and their group Airlines f.e. Peach) are not.
Hi Josh, cabin crew here, it depends mostly where Peach Airlines has its AOC registration because they will follow that country's rules and regulations. So either they screwed up or this is their SOP.
The exterior and interior looks very similar to Wizz Air planes don’t you think?
I wouldn't generalize it as the whole airline if it was your first time flying it. I flew it and they turned the lights off.
But how he could know? They didn't, so he assumed this is Peach procedure. Any review doesn't make sense if you cannot generalize... But it does, because every Peach flight should have the same standards.
It doesn’t matter if they did it for your flight or a million of their other flights, they didn’t do it on his flight and that’s 1 too many that they didn’t follow safety protocol.
@@Kimchi_-nw8vg yeah. The only way to judge is by flying the airline multiple times. When someone flying the airline for the first time they'll assume the airline is like that
@@aslamnurfikri7640 no not by flying multiple times. Like kimchi said it only takes 1 accident. Then boom. There are no more “multiple times”. First impression counts.
Qantas flights do not shut off lights during night t/o and landings. The logic proven is that lights on in the cabin makes passengers more awake and alert during take off and landing. Statistically more people fall asleep especially during night take offs and landings when lights are off. You want full pax attention including safety video demo too vs more than half of the pax sleeping. Crew members can also see pax Australia and also Japan law does not regulate light off on.
Hey josh cabin crew here based in jfk ny. been a flight Attendant for a long time and never see that with the lights.the first thing I do is dim lights as soon as we start taxing.but the video was very nice and totally agree with you.
Yep sir
Dimming cabin light in critical phase.
This is not required in Japanese aviational law.
Therefore, this procedure is not required in ANA group airlines.
Only Japan-air dim cabin lights in Japan.
You cannot criticize just because it is LCC.
Thanks, Josh, for shedding a light (no pun intended): It's not so much that you can't see (and thus avoid) debris on the ground once you've evacuated, it's rather that people just automatically stop moving forward when they can't see what's ahead of them. If you'd be about to enter a flight of stairs but not seeing the actual stairs, you'd stop moving and gradually and slowly "feel" your way one step at a time until your eyes have adopted to the darkness and resume feeding visual information again. That's just our instincts and most of us cant't do anything about it even if we knew it in advance. There is emercency lighting in the plane but once you've made it to the chute and took the ride, you're likely to stop where you end up and risk being badly hurt by the person sliding down the slide behind you - while you've should have been clearing that space immediately in the first place. What you potentially get in a case like this is a pile of people blocking the escape area for avoidable reasons on otherwise safe ground. That's why they dim cabin lights during T/O and landings, be it during daylight or night operations, and also why you'd try to get the first one down to be brave enough to stay and shove all the passengers that follow out of the way and away from the aircraft for that matter.
Edit: Typo.
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None of that is true. The cabin lights are dimmed at night so that passenger’s eyes acclimate to the dark in case of an accident where the cabin will likely lose power so that they can evacuate quickly.
@@lumpheadthump that's what they said... learn to read.
@@lumpheadthump what they said is literally true. You said it in short words they explained the full psychological reason behind it.
I would like to correct some details in your video:
I am cabin crew for a large European Airline. There is an advice for cabin lights during take-off and landing in dark, but no strict regulation. Airlines are free to make their own judgement.
Further more the 90 second evacuation detail is not a strict rule either, but it is a limit that is set for certification of an aircraft. There is no rule that an aircraft ‘must’ be evacuated within 90 seconds, but for the certification of a new aircraft it must be certain that the aircraft can be evacuated by trained crew within 90 seconds with only half of the exits available.
It is not fair to judge the safety record or procedures of an airline when actually they are operating within safety limits and regulations.
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated. But what is the difference between a regulation and strict regulation? Rules are rules, no? Looking forward to your answer.
Josh Cahill you are right, but some rules are very clear and easy to adhere to. Others are free for interpretation. For the cabin lights as an example: there is no ‘black and white’ instruction on how to manage the cabin lights. Airlines are free to create the environment they deem most safe in combination with, for example, comfort.
To give another example: the use of personal electronic devices during take-off and landing. Some airlines allow the use of some devices, others prohibit the use completely. It is free for interpretation. There are rules and advices, but they are not that clear and strict.
Another example: some airlines require all window shades to be open and armrests down for every take-off and landing, other airlines don’t have rules for this at all.
But that take-off cannot commence until the cabin manager has given an all safe signal (cabin ready for take-off) is a strict rule. Hów the purser gives the signal however, can be different again for every airline.
I quite used Peach a lot when I lived in Japan. I would say it's all for the price. And I can remember that most of the times they don't dim the lights. Idk if it's domestic thing or not, because when I flew with them to Korea they actually did dim the lights...
You're totally correct...Peach is all about price and short domestic flights. If you have a lot of time to travel or prefer more affordable choice than Shinkansen, I would choose Peach or Jetstar Japan.
I’ve done that route many times, but always use the Shinkansen, more comfortable and from city centre to city centre. Why fly?
because it's cheaper lol?
Cheapest and fastest way. Worth on money
@@MohdYusuf-sm3tv does that fully include the environmental cost of carbon pollution and global heating?
@@michaelpillingnow I'm not sure.
It appears that, from previous comments, that it’s not Peach Aviation’s standard operating procedure to dim (or to turn off) cabin lights during take off / landing even though this is pretty much an industry standard practice. As a current flight attendant, I can say that in an emergency evacuation, day or night, one of the things we are instructed to do is set cabin lights to bright...
Now, I don’t know what’s more of a shock during a night time emergency: cabin lights dim/off during take off/landing, emergency evacuation occurs, cabin lights to bright then you jump out into the dark OR cabin lights on, emergency evacuation occurs then jump out into the dark (cabin lights are already on)... Evacuation may be quicker with the latter since vision does not have to adjust and passengers can immediately focus on getting out of aircraft... Just a thought...
I flew with All Nippon Airways from NRT to KUL on early December 2019 and the same case happened. They didn’t dimmed the light for take off and landing too.
Joah, it looked like you needed a hug as u were walking off the plane. I'm here for u man. Great video, as always!
I'm glad you explained the reasoning for dimming the cabin lights. I did not know this was actually a safety precaution.
ANA and Peach do not turn off their lights during night takeoffs and landings. I don't know why they don't turn them off, but JAL airlines dim their lights during takeoff and landing at night. So you can see the outside scenery clearly.
why is dimming light better for evacuation? Dark cabin makes less visibility for passengers to see
Watch from 8:50
It is not a single occurance and happend to me as well last year with Peach on the route HKG-KIX. It was a night flight with takeoff and landing in the dark and the cabin was daylight bright.
Maybe this is not compulsory in Japan?
It is a common mis-conception to think that every jurisdiction adhere to the lightout on take off / landing principle at night. That is simply not true, a good example is Japan and Thailand, both country does not follow that rules. (Note: this is a very common mis-conception for aviation blogger or TH-camr or even people who works in the industry who only fly domestically and not internationally).
There are two side of the argument of which is "better", but in reality there are no definite answer. As it has been pointed out by a lot of people, the common understanding for dimming the lights are for eye adjustment, but it is important to note that the eye adjustment are not for you to get off the airplane, rather it is for you once you are outside of the airplane. During evcuation, all the exit and slides are very brightly lit and this is by design by the airplane manufacturer (in fact there is a flood light that illuminate the whole slide once it is deployed). The dimming of the light is really for once you have gotten on the ground. Or in situation where there is a complete power outage on the plane (which is rare).
On the other hand, keeping the light on has their own advantage. By keeping the light on, you are forcing the passenger to be more alert and less passenger is likely to be asleep. And therefore during an emergency evacuation, there is a higher chance that your passenger will have a faster responds time. Rather then someone who just got woken up by the cabin crew shouting at them for evcuation.
5:50 just wondering, do they have peaches on that menu?
XD
I'm just curious, was the flap in full extended position when the plane took off?
caca nustinarani nope, it looks like they had flaps 1
Just curious - how did the cabin crew respond when you ask them about this? What reason did they give for not dimming the lights?
Hello, I am an airline captain based in Japan and I can explain why Peach (and ANA for that matter) don't dim the cabin lights during approach and landing. For pilots it helps us to see other aircraft easier at night and also to tell which direction the other aircraft is traveling in. It's much easier to see a long line of illuminated cabin windows stretching the entire length of the fueselage, than it is to just see the regular anti-collision lights mounted on the wingtips and a few other places. During cruise it is less important because aircraft are spaced farther apart, but during approach and landing, aircraft are in much closer proximity to each other so collision avoidance utilizing "see and avoid" as a last resort, becomes more critical. There is a valid argument for the ability of the flight attendants to see outside of the windows easier to maintain their orientation if we crash or have to evacuate, but during those scenarios all of the aircraft emergency lights and interior lighting will automatically be turned up to full intensity anyways.
Apart from the lights situation, was the rest of the flight alright / would you fly them again?
Yeah it was the standard low cost carrier experience, no frills.
@@JoshCahill awesome thanks Josh! keen for the next vid mate
Each Japanese airline has different rule/beliefs about cabin lighting during landing and takeoff. JAL is of the belief that it is safer to keep the cabin dark. On the other hand, ANA (parent company for Peech) does not have any rules because it does not believe lighting makes any safety difference. ANA believes lighting is a part of inflight service and they keep lights on when most passengers are awake even during landing. As such, I do not believe Peech was in violation of Japanese aviation laws or its corporate guidelines on this flight.
Good to know about the cabin lights, I'm going to Japan in May (with some trip reports hopefully). Had that happen on an American Eagle flight once. Great video!
Peter for me it’s more of an inconvenience having the lights on early in the morning/late evening. It’s bothersome :)
What Video Camera are you using? Extremely high quality image.
Is there a law or regulation that requires all airline to dim the light during take off and landing?
YES! It's international regulations for all civil aviation.
@@ElusiveTy I want to see the law and see how its written. A lot of people interpret it differently which is an issue in this society.
@@ElusiveTy The FAA doesn’t have any relevance for flights in Asia lol. That’s up to their authorities and as far as Japan goes it’s not mandatory to dim the lights during night landings/takeoffs.
Just saw this video after a year. Turning off lights at night for take off and landing is most likely not required by Japanese regulations. The airline registered in the country will simply follow what their regulators told them to do. I have not flown Peach but I have flown ANA many times, on both international and domestic. I don't recall ANA turning off lights for either take off or landing at night for either international or domestic flights. There was once I was flying from Haneda to Hong Kong on ANA 767-300, departing Haneda at 1am and arriving at Hong Kong at 5am. Obviously the light was off for most of the flight for passengers to sleep. I remember they actually turned ON the light when landing. So I would not even rule out that it may be a Japanese regulatory requirement to have lights on.
It takes the human eye 30 min to adjust and gain optimum "night vision" whilst that same "night vision" will be lost if 1 single light source catches your eye for a couple of seconds. This is straight out of my PPL human performance theory, so realistically dimming the cabin lights won't do you any good in case of an emergency.
Try to fly more in domestic Japan, you will find out most of the flights won‘t dim the cabin light during take off and landing
Same experience. Took a night flight to korea and they did not dim the lights at take off and at landing. The flight was very turbulent mid way and the cabin crew just sat at their jumpseats all the way till touchdown. NO pre-arrival checks to see if pax had seatbelts on or to clear the aisle. Horrible experience.
I like it when Josh said he watched Sailormoon when he was a kid. Makes me feel he is very relatable 🤗 Safe flights Josh and thanks for the all the reviews 🙏
Welcome to Japan Josh👏
日本人🇯🇵でこの動画観てる人います？
Personally I do think you are exaggerating a bit. Every country has their own rules and regulations, and I do believe that a dark cabin would help on an emergency, but this is not a universal rule. BTW, you should consider getting an external mic for your onboard shots, or maybe redub it afterwards, because it’s extremely difficult estou hear what you are saying on your onboard clips, after the engine is running.
I usually send a message directly to the airline about additional safety measures such as dimming the lights.
Every time I fly in the US at night the blinds are shut and the lights are on full. My opinion about Japan was they are following the US approach as it's also happened to me on JAL.
Then with all due respect, you should point this out to the airlines every time it happens as I can guarantee you that it is not company policy but simply crew oversight.
As a former cabin crew, I do agree with your opinion, to dim a light between take off and landing. However, if you think they are risking passengers lives in danger by just simply forgot to turn off a light, that is not correct since Japanese aviation law does not regulate it but it is a discretion of crew or company. I hope you published this vid after checking it with Peach. Personally, I want them to change their policy and dim a light for safety, which make sense for me too. Have a nice flight!
Just so u know the companies who build these planes Boeing n Airbus have it in their manuals that the light are to be dimmed before takeoff so I trust the plane developers over a pilot anyday.
Pronunciation is 'foo-koo-OH-kah'. Nice town. Only JAL and ANA when I lived there.
福岡 / ふくおか / fu-ku-o-ka
I did not know that's why the pilot turns off the cabin lights for landing. Thank you for pointing that out
wait! Aeroflot and ANA also did not dim down the lights; other airlines do it like that too
Did you noticed the grounds crew waving and bowing to the plane as it pulls out of the gate?
SO did you find out whether or not leaving cabin lights on during landing is against Peach’s SOP?
Next time ask them on the way out if they forgot or if it’s a procedure?
Do they keep the lights on throughout the flight?
Had similar experience in my previous flight.. I know it was not a red eye one, but I thought at first it is a safety procedure regardless outside brightness.. but just correct me if I'm wrong..
I flew Air DO ( another Japan LCC ) last month and they had the lights on the whole time as well. I'm starting to guess that it may not be a required practice here. Long story short, if there was a regulation, every airline would follow them to a T in Japan, so I'm guessing it's not an airline issue but a national regulatory issue here.
the global peasant it’s an FAA regulation, that means it’s mandatory as long as you are on planet earth
@@PersonalQuotez FAA is American. If this was the case, there wouldn't be airlines banned from European airspace, if they all had to follow FAA (which they don't). Japan Civil Aviation Authority is responsible for regulations here.
It boggles the mind that some people still think that an American regulatory body has jurisdiction over another sovereign nation's domestic flight regulations.
Well, here we also call it FAA
Keith what boggles my mind is fools that think they know better (like you) but fly on a plane MADE IN AMERICA 😂😂😂 u idiot u do know boeing is an American plane right?!🤦🏽♂️ and yes in the Boeing manual it says lights must be turned off before takeoff. But u clearly think Japan is full of the smartest people. How are those Japanese planes working out? Oh wait u fools haven't built any.
Wow, learned something new today, thanks Josh
8:50 nice piece of information, i was always wondering why they turn the lights off before landing in the dark, now i know
The jury's still out on whether dimming the lights will actually save more lives.
Different countries and airlines have different policies. Some allow passengers to use ear/headphones on take off/landing, while others don't. Others insist that mobiles may not be turned on until one is inside the terminal, while others allow phones to be turned on while the plane is still taxiing to the gate. Which airline is safer, Josh?
So it is disappointing to see him setting his mob loose on an airline from a country that is a stickler for rules. I'm 100% sure that if Japanese regulations call for the lights to be dimmed, it would have been dimmed.
I hope Josh will at least try to clarify with the FAs or the airline before passing judgment so quickly.
The jury is not still out on whether dimming lights and opening window shades is helpful in case of an emergency. That is a fact.
As for electronics, they have been proven to not affect flight systems in the slightest. But electronics change rapidly, and are loosely regulated, so often times airlines wisely choose to play it safe.
But I agree that the airline should have been queried about what their company's protocol actually is. Unless the staff was new, it's unlikely they "forgot" such a thing.
@@watershed44 Agreed. Whether they understand the why of it or not, it won't hurt to just do it.
As for performance improvement during a potential night time emergency evacuation, it is proven to help.
It is even more important today, now that airlines have higher capacities as well as higher load factors.
When the cabin is filling up with smoke, every second one delays might cost someone their life. People have a tendency to freeze when they can't see what's ahead of them. Putting out the lights, and opening the shades reduce the time needed for passengers' eyes to adapt to the dark.
They could use red light, but darkening the cabin is easier and likely preferred by most passengers.
@@watershed44 Oh that's nice! I guess it works as well then. Do you remember which airlines they were? I'd like to check them out sometime.
I'm still new to LED cabins. Not sure how I feel about colour changing cabins yet, but I'm getting used to them. Oranges and Blues are fine. But Greens and Purples, not for me I think.
@@watershed44 Josh shouldn't pass himself off as the authority on airline safety then.
FYI, Qantas does not allow non-English speaking passengers to sit at the exit rows. Should all other airlines implement this out of an abundance of caution? No exit row for you because you cannot speak Korean or Swahili.
Now imagine an exit row with no passengers to open the emergency exits during a crash. Which is safer, having passengers who can't speak the airline's language or not having any passengers to open the emergency exits quickly?
I think it's best to leave it to the experts to decide what is the best for their airlines. Vloggers should just stick to vlogging.
@@WhiteKestrell cite your source please. The issue in dispute is the dimming of lights, not the opening of window shades. Please do not conflate the 2 issues as the same thing.
Pretty sure on JAL you’re allowed to land with your window shade still down. Is that normal? Or just from my 2 experiences
Basically common practice for most new airliners. Theses days leave the Light on
I was on a flight last month from KUL to SIN on Silkair and they’ve skipped the security demonstration 😂
I heard from a pilot that the dimming of the lights was so that if there's a problem with an engine then the passengers can alert the cabin staff
Josh, a few questions:
Do the flight crews performed the safety demo only in Japanese?
If they do, that's my second concern. How can a foreigner who don't speak a high level of Japanese understands what they're saying? From what I've saw on some videos, they even did it on international flights.
Also do you have any communicating issues with the crews of this flight? Cuz I wanna fly with Japanese budget carriers, but my Japanese is nowhere near functional.
Thanks!
Boria Travels its a domestic flight that’s why but I think all airlines should at least know English to an extend
@@yungsavage289 : Agreed.
Hi josh. I have taken peach before last year on flight MM28 from Taiwan to Osaka. I faced the same issue on cabin crew not dimming the light during take off and landing. Worst still.. I was on the aisle seat. So when the plane landed.. I dont even know and I thought what has happened because it was so loud suddenly! Indeed peach should treat take this as paramount importance as it concerns safety.
This is standard on all Japanese airlines and actually many airlines around the world these days. For many years, QF's procedure was to have the cabin lights fully on for take-off and landing, it's not such a big deal. It is airline policy, but it is not regulation. It really just depends if the airline implements it or not. It is good to do, it does have safety benefits and everyone would like them to be dimmed, but it’s not a no-go safety critical issue. Besides most passengers turn on their overhead light when the lights are dimmed anyway. Way to go with the over-dramatic click-bait title!
Great review as always Josh, I'm going through some thought times lately and seeing your videos makes me feel better, never stop smiling, you're great! greetings from France.
Josh...it is very concerning that they didn't dim the lights. Everything you said is totally correct. I would address this with the airline. I used to be in the industry, and once, I was on a flight years ago, and they put luggage blocking the emergency exit. One of the people I was traveling with, said if they didn't correct the situation immediately, she wanted to disembark and would report it to the FAA. My flight was a flight attendant. The crew did as she said, and we took off. That airline is still in business. I won't mention who it was. My point is sometimes they know better but are being lazy or they think passengers won't realize. Very sad.
Safety issues always matter because even though accidents are rare, they do happen. For the reasons you have stated, the lights should be dimmed as a basic procedure. Thank you for the video.
Another illuminating report. Thanks.
Nope, you are correct 100%. The cabin lights should be dimmed.
yes it is critical I agree, airline's safety procedure which is common to all aviation's protocols. to dim the cabin lights while landing.though it varies to different airlines however it should be a protocol..I guess?
Can anyone pls tell the soundtrack please.. im having my first flight alone tomorrow. I think this shud actually encoutage me
ANA doesnt do it..so as a subsidiary..not surprised Peach doesnt either
Ah here we go again, another airline forgetting the lights. It's an absolute no no and no Josh you aren't being dramatic at all! It is a major safety concern for all passengers and crew on board! I really hope this is a one off thing that a forgetful crew member forgot the lights or something, if not I sincerely hope Peach doesn something about it ASAP
I just spat on the lens 😂😂
Probably ranks pretty low among potential risk factors, point made nonetheless...
i think if you need the leg space than you should take the Shinkansen. travel time will be longer but it departs and arrives in city center so the total time generally is the same.
… unless if you want to an airplane of course.
I had this twice on a BA flight to LCY recently.
Sometimes Malindo cabin lamp still on when landing. Please try.
Interesting review! I agree with you on the question about the cabin lights. If they don´t think about that procedure what else can they ignore? Not good!
It makes me think of the other shortcuts they may be taking in terms of safety. Stay safe my friend!
Once Peach merges with Vanilla, it's going to be all peaches and cream.
Is it the airline or just the crew?
That's A320 Airbus is safe just like 'Air Canada Rogue' flies from Toronto to Cayo Coco, Cuba 🇨🇺.
I flew Peach Osaka to Seoul and they were great.
Its hard to believe that this kind of problem happened in first world nation like japan. Usually developed countries has better quality of airlines safety regulation than developing countries. I flu with ANA many years ago, they have good quality of safety and services
Peach aviation is one of the ANA’s subsidiary.
Peach is a safe airline. This reviewer is just bitching because he wants to.
Jose Olivares He had a good reason to be concerned so shut the fuck up.
I gots the flu
@@davidrichardson8247 I just hope Peach outright ignored these entitled TH-camrs. There is only 2-3 good ones out there, he's not one of them.
I did vanilla Air tpe-nrt a week before they stopped doing that service. I found them quite good for a budget airline and sad that they are now gone. Like peach air their check in opens an hour and half before hand and I was worried about vanilla Air trying to manually check in 180 people in an hour. I can't remember the lights but they dim for most of the flight
Josh why don't you try Cebu Pacific
If they are ever to merch with WizzAir, they don't need to repaint their aircraft. 👌🤣
A regular Peach customer would know if not dimming the lights is a pattern and not a one-time lapse of the crew.
Welcome to JAPAN i love peach aviation and that color
From what I know, it's Peach Aviation's rule that the lights are not to be dimmed
Josh, the vast majority of domestic pax in Japan are Japanese. That would figure, eh. They are on average smaller than most westerners. I dont know why you, a westerner are so touchy about leg room on the Peach flight.
I’m smaller than the average Japanese and as the title suggests, it’s a review so I cater an audience from midgets to giants. I’m totally fine with it, the midget might love it and the giant Russian bloke won’t probably. That’s what a product review stands for :)
Could it be bad that I use this video for something?
They say airline trade does aren’t usually just one thing, but a collection of small things they add up. Dimming the lights may seem like a small thing, but it really can save lives when you have some other emergency going on.
Such a clickbait title, why are you TH-camrs all so sensational about everything these days?
Ive flown on United in the USA both times at night and both times they left the cavin lights on
I’m planning to take it from Sapporo to Osaka so I don’t have to waste so much time taking the Shinkansen.
*Ladies and gentlemen we welcome you to FUK thank you for flying Peach air today*
Can't believe that you, a German, missed the opportunity to comment on Japanese trains!
wow its a really nice place bro josh. really miss u
in japan, high density narrow seat is predominant in domestic or short haul int routes. but, long-haul routes, half of cabin is filled business class seat.
What's the music in the background ?
Josh wie groß bist du?