It's amazing how many people don't pay any attention to what the guy is trying to explain / demonstrate and feel the need to post stupid comments about it.
Just recently found your channel. Your reviews are outstanding. BUT my only "criticism" on who gets to unplug and leave the charger first, is that while the Audi charges faster to 90, most teslas have more range than most EVs, so...can make the same distance traveling with a little less battery percentage anyway. Speculation is: that both could have been unplugged at the same time and still have roughly the same range heading home. AKA a test of how many minutes of charging each EV gets you back home would be a nice comparison between EVs.
2 years on now and I'm in a dilemma between both cars. What would you suggest now having used both? I guess times have changed since this video where non Tesla cars can take advantage of the Tesla super chargers. If you were buying now. What would it be? Thanks
people don't understand physics if they think the higher voltage battery is the reason the Audi charges faster and people who comment on degradation of pack are correct when saying that fast charging any lithium battery will cause dendrites to form in cells causing premature failure and possible fire:)
Great video. Nice to see how fast charging compensates for less total range. But which car can add say 150miles more motorway range from a fairly low state of charge? If I were on a long trip I’d be stopping every couple of hours to stretch my legs anyway. Does the efficiency of the Tesla give it the edge? Choosing between E-Tron and X as my next car.
I've heard that the Tesla will pre-heat the battery if Navigation includes a stop at a SuperCharger. Would that have bridged the gap in charging speed?
It does, although in doing so uses more energy so I find sort of counter productive. Doesn’t make too much difference at all, especially in fairly mild temperatures. If cold then yes it helps. Certainly wouldn’t have made barely any difference here. Real world also dictates that it’s not necessarily always going to be a Tesla charger now that more others are available.
@@RSEV I'm aware that third-party chargers exist, but in most of the country they seem to be 50kw still, especially once you get out of large cities, and then it's 50/50 if that charging station works in the first place. To me at least, this seems like a huge advantage for Tesla. I took a trip down to Chamonix (South France) last year and used Superchargers all the way, but I spoke to a guy who was driving a 2019 Leaf about what it's like to travel without the SuC network, he told me it's an absolute nightmare, you end up going from place to place to find a working charging station and one that isn't full because it's only 2 stalls, and in his case, the Leaf battery is air-cooled and it was like 35c+ at the time, he said his charging stops were 4+ hours. Crazy.
@@RSEV If the outside temps are VERY cold it can actually be quite helpful. It will only use a couple percent over about 30 minutes to warm the battery up, which allows it to start charging at a much higher rate immediately upon arrival rather than starting slowly and speeding up while charging. The couple times I was arriving with very low state of charge and the car didn't precondition the battery I ended up being at the charger an addition 10 to 15 minutes.
Very interesting article. I've seen reviews where a car is slated because of it's 'slow' charging, but as you've shown, a 'fast' charging car doesn't always take the higher rate.
I think it’s just frustrating when manufacturers state that a car charges “at 150kw” for example, but that’s peak, prime, optimum and for a short non sustainable period. I think how consistent and flat the etron is all the way through.
A test of how many minutes of charging each EV with enough range to get you safely back home would be a nice comparison between EVs as "range between chargers or destinations" is effecting how much percent you need to charge up to in one EV vs another EV. Great channel reviews though, love em.
105 miles. eTron from 90 down to 41% on a 95kwh(!) battery. Tesla down from 90 to 51% on a 75kWh(!) battery. That basically says it all how far Audi is lagging behind
I have seen both the VW group and Hyundai/Kia cars have an 800 Volt structure. Do you think once faster chargers become more prevalent we might see a 1200 Watt charger car? I already posted today about this video with a link I was desperate to add to one of your current videos to get some information across to you. I multi-tasked and posted while your video played, lol.
This is very interesting, but with the many years and great masses of data Tesla have, if they thought it was ok for the battery longevity to charge at that rate I would guess they would do it.... My guess is they do it to preserve the life of the battery as they are quite well known for battery management.
I’m not sure what I just watch. There is no feasible comparison, not the same battery pack. What we don’t know if Audi is slowing down the charging for saving the battery life in the long run. Are both battery pack warmed up before charging (same if you drive a Tesla to the supercharger?) Way to many questions - fun video to watch however no conclusions in the end.
A couple of points to note: No mention of pre-heating the Tesla battery or did I miss that? You need to pre-heat to get the charging performance. My Model 3 LR charges way into 234KW - much higher than the 175KW from Shell chargers. Mine chargers from 70 odd miles with pre-charging, and that gives you 1064 miles per hour charge, or 20 minutes to get to 90% (which is where I charge to). Also what's the point in being a minute quicker if you use more energy for less miles? Tortoise and Hare.. you will need to stop again earlier. Missed points about charging: 1) Shell rates @£0.39p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £19.50!! Not cheap at all. 2) Tesla rates @£0.25p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £12.50 :) 3) Tesla nav turns on the battery heaters when enroute to chargers so when you arrive you get the fastest charges. You forgot to mention that! 4) You were very lucky to find TWO chargers not occupied for your test - you can see Mr. Leaf turn up wanting a charge but you have both chargers. Esso app does not show if the chargers are occupied or working! By comparison; most Tesla bays have between 8 and 24 stalls and you are only ever there for 25 mins max so they are never full and even if a couple of chargers do not work (yet to see a broken one) you never get charger anxiety. thumbsnap.com/Wp7F9m1e
I can assure you I’m very familiar with Teslas (owner of last 5 years) and the points you raise are mostly not valid or irrelevant. A model 3 can in theory charge that fast but I’ve never ever seen it. They tend to get to maybe 190kw very briefly. Preheating doesn’t make much odds, certainly not unless v cold. Anyway I could go on, but I won’t. Listen to the video. It was jsut a simple game whilst the opportunity arised. I’m still a Tesla fan and I do say let’s get into context they both charge fast and it’s not an issue. I also state how Tesla make it easy etc etc. So please take the video in the context of which it was meant. I explained it twice
@@RSEV well now you have the screenshot so you have seen it. I regularly get this speed and have covered 30k miles in Model 3's. The Model S is the slow charger as Tesla capped it. The Model 3 is way faster charging on a V3 Supercharger and can charge up to 250KW... www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging
Great video 👍. Hopefully they'll be within my budget within another 4 years time (15-20k) and I'll snap one up, pending reliability etc. I will imagine with it weighing 2.7 tonnes and having air suspension, those components will need replacing at some point!
@@silverpigeon8068 on the tailgate that can be done. The front due to curves you need to either keep the backing plate or purchase a vinyl sticker number plate (but beware Tesla do kindly put two holes in the bumper).
Ok so then if I translate the data for you... Into “miles per minute” (not a unit I’ve ever used) The audi c. 5.25 The Tesla c. 3.62 The data and explanations are all in there and basically this test was exactly about this...
Tell me about it! 😂 Was meant to be a bit of fun, and it’s a simple case of how long it takes to replenish what’s been used. Making use of an opportunity. But anyway we’ll be filming a bigger and better version of this when we get the chance. To a supercharger, preheating etc etc. Want to include a Porsche Taycan for example
I noticed that several times when you used a non Tesla charger the Tesla 3 never seems to charge to well...when you use a Tesla Supercharger does the Tesla 3 charge over 100-125 or does it still top out about 65-75 charging rate? Great channel, so informative.
It would be the same. The car limits the power, the chargers have always had more available to them. But yet on each video people think will be faster on Superchargers. Each time I say I’ve been driving them for 2 years so I know it would be the same...! Anyway, they do usually go over 150kw if at low charge and warm etc, but only very briefly. Max I’ve seen is 190kw. They ramp down quickly and then continuously. They HAVE to be on low charge to get the best from them. By 50% they’re usually no more than 100kw. I mean, they’re ok, but trying to top up at higher levels is slow.
@@RSEV ..thank you for such a quick reply, wow! I’m a bit of a Tesla fan (don’t have one) but it’s interesting to see that the Supercharger network is not the be all and end all...great as it is. Hopefully we can get the charging network properly and reliably geared up to deliver proper speeds. Out of interest do the latest S and X Tesla have the same charging characteristics as the ‘3’? Thanks again.
@@RSEV why would you top up at that high charge though?? The Tesla could have made it back without changing at all the Audi needed a top up despite the 30% larger battery.
@@RSEV Yep, I got the tesl alright the Audi with the higher voltage will charge a little quicker. Only yesterday I was trying to explain EV charging speeds to a work mate who is considering switching to an EV, I found myself relating charging speeds to him in miles replenish per hour for my slow 7kw home charger and our local CCS rapid charger. He just didn’t speak in kilowatts yet, I’ve no doubt when he gets his EV he will gets his EV. The Audi seems Impressive indeed.
No. Made a recent video about this proving it’s still cheaper (but admitting the gap is closing). HOWEVER note that since that video the government have now capped rates cheaper (including for business) so it’s LESS than quoted in the video. To be £0.34/kWh for domestic for two tears
Thanks for the video. The issue you’ll have in the long run with the Audi is higher battery degradation. Tesla actively manages the charging to ensure minimal damage to the cells. The fact the Audi remains flat isn’t actually a good thing, it should be balancing the charge so as to protect the cells. The cells won’t have the same longevity as a consequence, which buyers should definitely factor in when purchasing and when judging this video.
naa that's not really an issue - Tesla is using the batteries more aggressive then anybody else, no buffer etc. The fact that Audi can sustain high charing capacity during the whole charging process is amazing - very good for long trips
e-tron after 1year degradation? Those charging speeds from 80% battery are poison for battery life over the years. Will we see battery changes in Audi from two years out of warranty?
Interesting - thanks. And as you said, expected given the fairly flat charging curve that the Audi has all the way up to 100% thanks to its top buffer in the pack. However not a real life test in my view because (1) if you had used a Tesla supercharger (which most people would given reliability and cheap price) the Tesla would have pre-heated the pack and charged faster and (2) on a road trip (eg 1K km) no Tesla driver would charge to 90% - at 70/75% the Tesla would leave (of should leave). Absolutely no doubt that the Tesla would take at least 1 hour less than the Audi to drive 1K km (and the gap would be even wider on a 1K miles trip)
Did you ask the cars to pre-heat and prepare the batteries, this will give you better charge rates - you said you had not. It would be quite normal to navigate to the charger and auto-preheat in a Tesla, does the Audi do that ?
People don’t need to “recharge to a percentage”, they need less charging delay on long trips. I don’t understand the purpose of this test at all. Overall efficiency obviously matters as the only important point is the *range recovery rate* in a real scenario. Pick a destination and time the charge necessary for each. How much range you can start with also makes a massive difference of course. 🤷♂️
Well I explain it a couple of times. Of course what you start with makes a difference. So assuming you charge to 90% and leave home. You drive for a couple of hours and then want to stop for a coffee. During that stop, which car can replenish itself the quickest/first. Ie. Recover what it’s used. It’s where efficiency become less relevant in this context. It’s how long you need to stop for....
@@RSEV What you guys should have done it kept on driving both cars until the model 3 hits 30% state of charge then charge both E-tron and model 3 in their respective charging station. I wonder how much more range the E-tron would had after the model 3 reaches 30% state of charge. The trick with the model 3 is drive fast and charges when the battery is at 10-20% on a road trip.
@@rj8u if listen to the video I explain that we did this because we had the opportunity. We didn’t go out to drive them especially to do this test. We don’t tend to do that. Making videos isn’t our job. But this does simulate what it’s like to recharge after a couple hours driving. Real world as if stopping for a coffee etc. On a long journey. Simple as that, and a bit of fun 💁♂️
@@RSEV If it's "how much range/charge you gain during your coffee stop" I think it's reasonable to do. How long you "need to stop" for is misleading - as you *need* enough range to continue on your journey, in which case the race wouldn't be to a certain % SOC but instead to a certain projected range (not the same as replacing the covered range - it's how far the vehicle can go from here) I'm not sure if it'd be all that viable to end up with a close race between the Audi and an LR on those terms, might need to be an SR+ or something given you'll be well into the Audi's high SOC rates before the Tesla drops to very slow charging I think. Maybe not though, might be fun to do a couple of different scenarios like this?
There is a reason why Tesla's charge slower, its to make the battery last longer. Elon said they could update it to charge faster if they wanted. The Etron's battery will degrade quicker than the Tesla's over time and lose range.
@@edgy21 3 years is not long enough, also everyone charge rate is different. Tesla's have a million mile life cycle without degradation of the battery. No other auto maker has made this claim or even outlines how long there battery lasts.
The thing is Tesla wouldn't have needed a charge to go back at starting point it would have arrived with 10% to spare and the audi despite a 30% bigger battery still needs that charge although a quick one. That's the point inho
Nice comparison. Just proves that the networks need to step up. The recent Ecotricity/Gridserve tie-up should help, certainly where I live in North Wales. More importantly, how are you getting on with those wing cameras in the E-Tron? 😉
Always enjoy your videos. However, comparing 2 cars where one is 2X price of the other (at least they are in Australia!) makes no sense to me. Also, was the M3 LR an MIC version (i.e. uses LG Chem batteries - same as E-Tron) ? If it was, at least the battery chemistry is comparable (i.e. NCM and NCA charging characteristics are different).
We did it, as I say, because both these cars had to do a similar journey. So for fun let’s compare. Making videos isn’t our job, we’re not journalists. We don’t tend to drive for the sake of it to make a video. We just used an opportunity. Nonetheless it goes to show that efficiency isn’t everything. The Audi (and other non Tesla) can have advantages or pros v cons. No not a made in China car, it’s a 2019 like the audi.
I wonder if Tesla will increase the charge curve of the Model 3 in response. :) Or... will the Audi have issues down the line and slow up as the battery ages.
Great video - etrons flat charging curve in comparison to other cars is still not well known. We just need more chargers capable of reaching those speeds as most are 50kw especially up north!
I added 52kw and it was £19.44. Tesla supercharger prices are heading the same way. I don’t actually drive an EV to save money, so I don’t get the criticisms. Most of time a “fill up” is a few £ because charge at work. Only on days of over 200 miles do I lay for chargers quite happily.
@@CrazedCrittic I don't have a discount price diesel pump at home though? Fair enough if you can only charge at forecourts, but I imagine the vast majority of EV drivers do most of their charging at home.
@@daaaveeeh I charge at home but am currently enjoying a year of Supercharging courtesy of Teslas end of year promotion, so I use Suoercgargers instead. My point was aimed at the poor and inaccurate comparison made between the Tesla and Audi. I'm not a Tesla fan boi but the facts in this video are wrong.
Can’t believe you choose to make that conclusion. No one wants to charge to over 90 per cent in normal driving to prevent battery degradation. Who spent less money? Efficiency is way more important than charge speed on - one type of charger.
Wow. If Shell gets enough of these charges around the country and with those charging speeds then the playing field vs Tesla is starting to level out! Especially if Gridserve/Ecotricity really get going.
@@RSEV The reason why is because Norway has the lowest speed limits thus e-tron's range issues are helped and people get huge tax breaks on purchase versus huge tax penalty buying the ICE equivalent.
@@honesty_-no9he I am told most Norwegians prefer a fastest charging cuz they don't like to stay there longer. The Ioniq 5 could be popular because it charges fast as almost 4 years old e-tron.
Nice,.. but you should have fooled the Tesla you are going for a supercharger in the navigation so it will pre-conditioned it's batteries for a DC fast charge..it may have even the results or made them a bit closer.
In these temps and state of battery (50%) it wouldn’t have made any negligible difference. And there’s no superchargers anywhere in south London so it’s real world 💁♂️
The Tesla model 3 should have kept on driving until it reaches 10-20% state of charge then fully charge at at Tesla supercharger, Its pointless to charge the Tesla at 50% state of charge while the E-Etron only has 30%.
Do you own and drive an EV? In the real world you’ll drive a couple hours and then top it up. How long does it take to replenish is the question. The lower the state of charge, the more the audi would have won by I’m afraid. And the audi wasn’t at 30%... 🤦♂️
@@RSEV Yes. I do. I owned a 2018 model 3 and the way I usually handle road trip in a Tesla is drive fast and charge often at a Tesla Supercharger with 10-20% state of charge pulling in for 15-30 the most then hit the road again driving at 75-85 mph in U.S. There's no point at charging a Tesla at 50% state of charge while you wait to get your coffee LOL.
@@rj8u yes and that’s one of the points of this I guess. The Tesla you do indeed need to run it right down. The audi doesn’t matter, so habits can kind of change a bit. It was only for a bit of fun and some people seem to be taking it too seriously.
@@RSEV Yes. The E-Etron has 40% vs Tesla 50% charge. The issue with your video it seem you took advantage if Etron faster charge speed and neglect the fact when it comes to electric car the only things that really matters is "effieciency" and the E-Tron is not a very efficient car thus having a large battery and faster charge speed to compensate for this and that's what you guys should have talked about in the trip or atleast touch basis. Its like buying a gas car do want a car with a large gas tank very inefficient or a effiencient car with a small gas tank 😄👍.
Audi bigger battery 95kwh v 75kwh (less useable in each of course). No preheating before charging but in these temps and state of charge, it doesn’t make any negligible difference
Seems like a bit of an odd test given that the Tesla could get back to point A without charging + would have access to the Supercharger network which could charge at up to 250kw (if V3)...
Also important to remember that 90% of the Etron is probably what 70% of the Model 3 is in terms of real world range - so again comparing % is not very relevant in the real world
If listen to video I explain why we did it. Simply made most of the opportunity. I’ve also have a model 3 for two years, know what it can do, and I explain the point that it could well be a v3 charger but at this state of charge it wouldn’t make any difference. Worth listening and I do explain a couple of times and say why
@@RSEV I understand why you are comparing the 2 models - but I don't understand the point of the test using % as the metric by which it is won or lost? Surely all that matters in the real world is actual range? I.e which car was able to do the return journey in the shortest amount of time etc? that is more relevant to people looking to compare ?
@@cokyrobes It's relevant because most people don't necessarily 'plan' their journeys. This video demonstrates that the e-tron might be more flexible in that it can charge quicker at an impromptu stop. I suspect...that if you were 'planning' the journey in the Tesla and included a SuperCharger stop in Navigation, that the Tesla would have charged faster...but like I said, most people probably don't plan their journeys.
@@usscork I just traded in my model 3p after 18 months and one of the reasons was that I did plan my journeys and got fed up having to do so. I suspect most people driving pure EVs do plan their trips particularly the longer ones. I bought a hybrid so I don’t have to worry now.
What... that’s what this test shows exactly. After 20 minutes the audi replenished the 105 miles. It took the Tesla c.30 minutes to add the same 105 miles. They’d both done the same journey! The whole point of the video you’ve missed. Sheesh .. 🤦♂️
@@RSEV Must’ve missed it... where exactly in the video do you say anything about Miles added? It’s simple math, mate: you said it took 30 minutes to charge the Audi to 100% at which time the model 3 was at roughly 90%. EPA estimates 222 mile (at best) range for the Audi E Tron and 353 miles for the model 3 Long Range-or 317 miles at 90%. Again, sheesh.
@@RSEV Oof. Did Audi pay you for this sleight of hand? It does not at all matter “how fast you replenish what you’ve used.” What matters is, after thirty minutes sitting at a charger, how far can you go. If you have to charge to 100% (never recommended) to go 200 miles and in the same amount of time I charge to 90% and can drive 300 miles...I don’t have dog in this hunt, in fact for the kind of driving I do I’d prefer the Audi (if it were gifted); but if you don’t get what a navel gazing exercise this was, I’m gonna have to unsubscribe.
In these temps and state of charge, not really. As there are no Superchargers in south London, not much we could do about that. It was an opportunistic experiment, as stated a couple times. We’ll do a more extensive version of this test as soon as we can, and yes I’ll ensure a Tesla supercharger is utilised.
@@RSEV sure I get it. What I do in this sometimes if I know where I’m going is just tell the navigation I’m going to a supercharger and ignore the directions, so it heats the battery anyway, regularly get over 100kw. There’s no argument, the Audi certainly charges well with that big buffer it has, but is way less efficient than the Tesla so largely balances things out.
I added 52.4kwh to take car from 41%displayed to 100% displayed. Pro rata that would equal 88.8kwh actually. If I could post a picture of that on here I would. Ties in with similar charging sessions before this video. Not sure what else I can say 💁♂️
@@RSEV Then why make the "comparison" travel to that location? If you're wanting to test their charge back rate, then maybe take advantage of both cars features? Because, after all, that seems to be the entire point of the video; to take advantage of Audi's quick charging time. Next you should do a video where you test range, but give the Tesla a flat tire.
@@richierauscher5131 listen to the video, that’s the journey we had to make that day. We’re not full time you tubers to make reviews. So, two things, the audi would beat the Tesla even with pre-heating. There’s other videos showing full charges from low SOC and it still beats it. Second, if you don’t like, scroll on and watch something else. That’s the beauty of the internet.
This isn't remotely a good comparison video. You don't even use a Tesla Supercharger, you acknowledge in the video that Tesla charges faster when low on charge. The Tesla doesn't even NEED to recharge. It could just go back to the start. Whereas the E-Tron does need to charge again. You state the E-Tron has a 95 kW battery pack compared to Tesla's 75 kW battery - that's means the Tesla gets far more range on a smaller battery pack. What a terrible video.
You don’t understand do you? I bet you have not listened to it because I explain multiple times... It’s about replenishing what you use. I state multiple times answers to what you put forward. For example that it wouldn’t charge faster at a supercharger. Why would it? It wasn’t taking anywhere near the power available to it. It’s about long journeys where you want to stop and replenish what you’ve used. Which can do that quicker. Try listening and understanding before criticising
@@RSEV The unique comfort feature of etron is, it can charge fast at any opportunity. This is probably in line with the expectations of their customerbase which consists of less EV enthusiasts and tech savy experts compared to Tesla.
Yes but I’ve never seen that in the real world. I’ve been driving them 2 years! Max I’ve had is c. 190kw briefly at the lower state of charge, and then continuously slowing down. Like I say, context, still fast, but it is actually quite frustratingly slow at the upper end. In the audi I’ve added 75kwh in under 40 minutes and I’ve never been able to do that in any Tesla.
It's amazing how many people don't pay any attention to what the guy is trying to explain / demonstrate and feel the need to post stupid comments about it.
Thank you! 👏🏼
As often the case people readily criticise but have not even listened or understood!
Great video. I picked up my 2022 etron yesterday- been driving model 3 for three years. So far, audi is very impressive.
Just recently found your channel. Your reviews are outstanding. BUT my only "criticism" on who gets to unplug and leave the charger first, is that while the Audi charges faster to 90, most teslas have more range than most EVs, so...can make the same distance traveling with a little less battery percentage anyway. Speculation is: that both could have been unplugged at the same time and still have roughly the same range heading home. AKA a test of how many minutes of charging each EV gets you back home would be a nice comparison between EVs.
2 years on now and I'm in a dilemma between both cars. What would you suggest now having used both? I guess times have changed since this video where non Tesla cars can take advantage of the Tesla super chargers. If you were buying now. What would it be?
Thanks
people don't understand physics if they think the higher voltage battery is the reason the Audi charges faster and people who comment on degradation of pack are correct when saying that fast charging any lithium battery will cause dendrites to form in cells causing premature failure and possible fire:)
Fab video as always Richard. Seems you’re quite a fan of the Audi. I must test drive it.
Great video. Nice to see how fast charging compensates for less total range. But which car can add say 150miles more motorway range from a fairly low state of charge? If I were on a long trip I’d be stopping every couple of hours to stretch my legs anyway. Does the efficiency of the Tesla give it the edge? Choosing between E-Tron and X as my next car.
I've heard that the Tesla will pre-heat the battery if Navigation includes a stop at a SuperCharger. Would that have bridged the gap in charging speed?
It does, although in doing so uses more energy so I find sort of counter productive. Doesn’t make too much difference at all, especially in fairly mild temperatures. If cold then yes it helps. Certainly wouldn’t have made barely any difference here. Real world also dictates that it’s not necessarily always going to be a Tesla charger now that more others are available.
@@RSEV I'm aware that third-party chargers exist, but in most of the country they seem to be 50kw still, especially once you get out of large cities, and then it's 50/50 if that charging station works in the first place. To me at least, this seems like a huge advantage for Tesla.
I took a trip down to Chamonix (South France) last year and used Superchargers all the way, but I spoke to a guy who was driving a 2019 Leaf about what it's like to travel without the SuC network, he told me it's an absolute nightmare, you end up going from place to place to find a working charging station and one that isn't full because it's only 2 stalls, and in his case, the Leaf battery is air-cooled and it was like 35c+ at the time, he said his charging stops were 4+ hours. Crazy.
@@VoxelLoop Oh, the joys of using Chademo...not!
@@abraxastulammo9940 Is the new Leaf not CCS2 yet?
@@RSEV If the outside temps are VERY cold it can actually be quite helpful. It will only use a couple percent over about 30 minutes to warm the battery up, which allows it to start charging at a much higher rate immediately upon arrival rather than starting slowly and speeding up while charging. The couple times I was arriving with very low state of charge and the car didn't precondition the battery I ended up being at the charger an addition 10 to 15 minutes.
Very interesting article. I've seen reviews where a car is slated because of it's 'slow' charging, but as you've shown, a 'fast' charging car doesn't always take the higher rate.
I think it’s just frustrating when manufacturers state that a car charges “at 150kw” for example, but that’s peak, prime, optimum and for a short non sustainable period.
I think how consistent and flat the etron is all the way through.
@@RSEV yeah they should be required to show average charging rate to 100 or 90
A test of how many minutes of charging each EV with enough range to get you safely back home would be a nice comparison between EVs as "range between chargers or destinations" is effecting how much percent you need to charge up to in one EV vs another EV. Great channel reviews though, love em.
105 miles. eTron from 90 down to 41% on a 95kwh(!) battery. Tesla down from 90 to 51% on a 75kWh(!) battery.
That basically says it all how far Audi is lagging behind
I have seen both the VW group and Hyundai/Kia cars have an 800 Volt structure. Do you think once faster chargers become more prevalent we might see a 1200 Watt charger car? I already posted today about this video with a link I was desperate to add to one of your current videos to get some information across to you. I multi-tasked and posted while your video played, lol.
This is very interesting, but with the many years and great masses of data Tesla have, if they thought it was ok for the battery longevity to charge at that rate I would guess they would do it.... My guess is they do it to preserve the life of the battery as they are quite well known for battery management.
Fast forward to 2024 and lots of universal Tesla locations in UK and across Europe!
I’m not sure what I just watch. There is no feasible comparison, not the same battery pack.
What we don’t know if Audi is slowing down the charging for saving the battery life in the long run.
Are both battery pack warmed up before charging (same if you drive a Tesla to the supercharger?)
Way to many questions - fun video to watch however no conclusions in the end.
Great video as always but i never charge more than 60-70% and then drive for a couple of hours...
Really interesting comparison. Looks like the e-Tron offers more flexibility when an exact route isn't planned thanks to its charging speed.
A couple of points to note: No mention of pre-heating the Tesla battery or did I miss that?
You need to pre-heat to get the charging performance.
My Model 3 LR charges way into 234KW - much higher than the 175KW from Shell chargers.
Mine chargers from 70 odd miles with pre-charging, and that gives you 1064 miles per hour charge, or 20 minutes to get to 90% (which is where I charge to). Also what's the point in being a minute quicker if you use more energy for less miles? Tortoise and Hare.. you will need to stop again earlier.
Missed points about charging:
1) Shell rates @£0.39p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £19.50!! Not cheap at all.
2) Tesla rates @£0.25p per kw/h. So 50KW costs £12.50 :)
3) Tesla nav turns on the battery heaters when enroute to chargers so when you arrive you get the fastest charges. You forgot to mention that!
4) You were very lucky to find TWO chargers not occupied for your test - you can see Mr. Leaf turn up wanting a charge but you have both chargers. Esso app does not show if the chargers are occupied or working! By comparison; most Tesla bays have between 8 and 24 stalls and you are only ever there for 25 mins max so they are never full and even if a couple of chargers do not work (yet to see a broken one) you never get charger anxiety.
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I can assure you I’m very familiar with Teslas (owner of last 5 years) and the points you raise are mostly not valid or irrelevant.
A model 3 can in theory charge that fast but I’ve never ever seen it. They tend to get to maybe 190kw very briefly.
Preheating doesn’t make much odds, certainly not unless v cold.
Anyway I could go on, but I won’t. Listen to the video. It was jsut a simple game whilst the opportunity arised. I’m still a Tesla fan and I do say let’s get into context they both charge fast and it’s not an issue. I also state how Tesla make it easy etc etc.
So please take the video in the context of which it was meant. I explained it twice
@@RSEV well now you have the screenshot so you have seen it. I regularly get this speed and have covered 30k miles in Model 3's. The Model S is the slow charger as Tesla capped it. The Model 3 is way faster charging on a V3 Supercharger and can charge up to 250KW...
www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging
Great video 👍. Hopefully they'll be within my budget within another 4 years time (15-20k) and I'll snap one up, pending reliability etc. I will imagine with it weighing 2.7 tonnes and having air suspension, those components will need replacing at some point!
I noticed the number plates on the M3 looking neat. How are you fixing them? Just 3M tape?
PS - I get the point of the test - don't shoot LOL
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The the plates, we usually keep the back panel (but remove all the ugly frame). Then screw or stick to that back panel.
@@RSEV didn't think it looked like it was stuck on the paint.
@@silverpigeon8068 on the tailgate that can be done. The front due to curves you need to either keep the backing plate or purchase a vinyl sticker number plate (but beware Tesla do kindly put two holes in the bumper).
NO because it is no where near true 100%.
Interesting but pointless test the miles per minute of charging is the important number
Ok so then if I translate the data for you...
Into “miles per minute” (not a unit I’ve ever used)
The audi c. 5.25
The Tesla c. 3.62
The data and explanations are all in there and basically this test was exactly about this...
@@RSEV thanks and much clearer for all
Do you think the battery life of the Audi will be shortened due to the quicker charging?
They charge fast because they have the tech to charge fast. Iirc VW mentioned silicon inside the etron and Taycan batteries.
They have a large top buffer so the battery is well protected against the higher rate of charge at high percentages.
New version is coming out in 2022. Range of 600km, fixt issues and new software. This will be a very very good car. Would be my pick for sure.
down to 41% from 90% in just 100 miles, so the full range from 100 to 0 is hardly 200 miles ?
Really interesting comparison. Thanks Richard and team
Been going through the comments and seeing a lot of people misunderstanding the purpose of this video
Tell me about it! 😂
Was meant to be a bit of fun, and it’s a simple case of how long it takes to replenish what’s been used.
Making use of an opportunity.
But anyway we’ll be filming a bigger and better version of this when we get the chance. To a supercharger, preheating etc etc.
Want to include a Porsche Taycan for example
@@RSEV true true aha. Looking forward to that video
I noticed that several times when you used a non Tesla charger the Tesla 3 never seems to charge to well...when you use a Tesla Supercharger does the Tesla 3 charge over 100-125 or does it still top out about 65-75 charging rate? Great channel, so informative.
It would be the same. The car limits the power, the chargers have always had more available to them. But yet on each video people think will be faster on Superchargers. Each time I say I’ve been driving them for 2 years so I know it would be the same...!
Anyway, they do usually go over 150kw if at low charge and warm etc, but only very briefly. Max I’ve seen is 190kw. They ramp down quickly and then continuously. They HAVE to be on low charge to get the best from them.
By 50% they’re usually no more than 100kw.
I mean, they’re ok, but trying to top up at higher levels is slow.
@@RSEV ..thank you for such a quick reply, wow! I’m a bit of a Tesla fan (don’t have one) but it’s interesting to see that the Supercharger network is not the be all and end all...great as it is. Hopefully we can get the charging network properly and reliably geared up to deliver proper speeds. Out of interest do the latest S and X Tesla have the same charging characteristics as the ‘3’? Thanks again.
@@RSEV why would you top up at that high charge though?? The Tesla could have made it back without changing at all the Audi needed a top up despite the 30% larger battery.
the Audi Etron is a higher voltage batterty pack 396v, compared to teslas 350 v so it will charge quicker for that reason, good video though
Thanks. A good eye opening little test. We’re going to plan a much bigger road trip version soon...
@@RSEV Yep, I got the tesl alright the Audi with the higher voltage will charge a little quicker. Only yesterday I was trying to explain EV charging speeds to a work mate who is considering switching to an EV, I found myself relating charging speeds to him in miles replenish per hour for my slow 7kw home charger and our local CCS rapid charger. He just didn’t speak in kilowatts yet, I’ve no doubt when he gets his EV he will gets his EV. The Audi seems Impressive indeed.
hi just seen on the Web that they are saying its more expensive to charge a electric car than fil a petrol one up what do you think
No.
Made a recent video about this proving it’s still cheaper (but admitting the gap is closing).
HOWEVER note that since that video the government have now capped rates cheaper (including for business) so it’s LESS than quoted in the video.
To be £0.34/kWh for domestic for two tears
@@RSEV ye I saw the video you did have you ever done a side by side comparison to finally put all this to rest
Thanks for the video. The issue you’ll have in the long run with the Audi is higher battery degradation. Tesla actively manages the charging to ensure minimal damage to the cells. The fact the Audi remains flat isn’t actually a good thing, it should be balancing the charge so as to protect the cells. The cells won’t have the same longevity as a consequence, which buyers should definitely factor in when purchasing and when judging this video.
naa that's not really an issue - Tesla is using the batteries more aggressive then anybody else, no buffer etc. The fact that Audi can sustain high charing capacity during the whole charging process is amazing - very good for long trips
e-tron after 1year degradation? Those charging speeds from 80% battery are poison for battery life over the years.
Will we see battery changes in Audi from two years out of warranty?
E-tron has very large top buffer, so 80% indicated isn’t really 80% at all.
Interesting - thanks. And as you said, expected given the fairly flat charging curve that the Audi has all the way up to 100% thanks to its top buffer in the pack. However not a real life test in my view because (1) if you had used a Tesla supercharger (which most people would given reliability and cheap price) the Tesla would have pre-heated the pack and charged faster and (2) on a road trip (eg 1K km) no Tesla driver would charge to 90% - at 70/75% the Tesla would leave (of should leave). Absolutely no doubt that the Tesla would take at least 1 hour less than the Audi to drive 1K km (and the gap would be even wider on a 1K miles trip)
LFP battery Teslas can and do charge to 90 %.
Of course they can. Even to 100% as long as you leave quickly afterwards. But no point on a road trip since you will lose time. That’s my point
Did you ask the cars to pre-heat and prepare the batteries, this will give you better charge rates - you said you had not. It would be quite normal to navigate to the charger and auto-preheat in a Tesla, does the Audi do that ?
People don’t need to “recharge to a percentage”, they need less charging delay on long trips. I don’t understand the purpose of this test at all.
Overall efficiency obviously matters as the only important point is the *range recovery rate* in a real scenario. Pick a destination and time the charge necessary for each. How much range you can start with also makes a massive difference of course. 🤷♂️
Well I explain it a couple of times. Of course what you start with makes a difference.
So assuming you charge to 90% and leave home. You drive for a couple of hours and then want to stop for a coffee.
During that stop, which car can replenish itself the quickest/first.
Ie. Recover what it’s used. It’s where efficiency become less relevant in this context.
It’s how long you need to stop for....
@@RSEV What you guys should have done it kept on driving both cars until the model 3 hits 30% state of charge then charge both E-tron and model 3 in their respective charging station. I wonder how much more range the E-tron would had after the model 3 reaches 30% state of charge. The trick with the model 3 is drive fast and charges when the battery is at 10-20% on a road trip.
@@rj8u if listen to the video I explain that we did this because we had the opportunity. We didn’t go out to drive them especially to do this test. We don’t tend to do that. Making videos isn’t our job.
But this does simulate what it’s like to recharge after a couple hours driving. Real world as if stopping for a coffee etc. On a long journey.
Simple as that, and a bit of fun 💁♂️
@@RSEV If it's "how much range/charge you gain during your coffee stop" I think it's reasonable to do. How long you "need to stop" for is misleading - as you *need* enough range to continue on your journey, in which case the race wouldn't be to a certain % SOC but instead to a certain projected range (not the same as replacing the covered range - it's how far the vehicle can go from here)
I'm not sure if it'd be all that viable to end up with a close race between the Audi and an LR on those terms, might need to be an SR+ or something given you'll be well into the Audi's high SOC rates before the Tesla drops to very slow charging I think. Maybe not though, might be fun to do a couple of different scenarios like this?
There is a reason why Tesla's charge slower, its to make the battery last longer. Elon said they could update it to charge faster if they wanted. The Etron's battery will degrade quicker than the Tesla's over time and lose range.
There are many 2018-2019 e-trons in Norway, so no battery degradation report yet.
@@edgy21 3 years is not long enough, also everyone charge rate is different. Tesla's have a million mile life cycle without degradation of the battery. No other auto maker has made this claim or even outlines how long there battery lasts.
The thing is Tesla wouldn't have needed a charge to go back at starting point it would have arrived with 10% to spare and the audi despite a 30% bigger battery still needs that charge although a quick one. That's the point inho
Nice comparison. Just proves that the networks need to step up. The recent Ecotricity/Gridserve tie-up should help, certainly where I live in North Wales. More importantly, how are you getting on with those wing cameras in the E-Tron? 😉
Most of them have regular mirrors.
How much is the e tron?
Have you guys figured out a way to wrap the MIC door 'wood' in alacantara yet and match it to the dash?
Doing one in a few days hopefully... so it’s in the pipeline
Always enjoy your videos. However, comparing 2 cars where one is 2X price of the other (at least they are in Australia!) makes no sense to me. Also, was the M3 LR an MIC version (i.e. uses LG Chem batteries - same as E-Tron) ? If it was, at least the battery chemistry is comparable (i.e. NCM and NCA charging characteristics are different).
We did it, as I say, because both these cars had to do a similar journey. So for fun let’s compare.
Making videos isn’t our job, we’re not journalists. We don’t tend to drive for the sake of it to make a video. We just used an opportunity.
Nonetheless it goes to show that efficiency isn’t everything. The Audi (and other non Tesla) can have advantages or pros v cons.
No not a made in China car, it’s a 2019 like the audi.
Twice the price!!!! Tesla model 3 LR 2021 is same price as Audi E tron 2020 here in Netherlands.
I wonder if Tesla will increase the charge curve of the Model 3 in response. :)
Or... will the Audi have issues down the line and slow up as the battery ages.
Great video - etrons flat charging curve in comparison to other cars is still not well known. We just need more chargers capable of reaching those speeds as most are 50kw especially up north!
50kw is considered rapid but it really isn’t. It’s like very slow broadband. Yes, better than dial-up, but doesn’t really cut it
Can I ask how much it cost to fill up each car at Shell ?
70KW @39p = £27.30! May as well buy a diesel :)
I added 52kw and it was £19.44.
Tesla supercharger prices are heading the same way.
I don’t actually drive an EV to save money, so I don’t get the criticisms.
Most of time a “fill up” is a few £ because charge at work. Only on days of over 200 miles do I lay for chargers quite happily.
@@CrazedCrittic I don't have a discount price diesel pump at home though? Fair enough if you can only charge at forecourts, but I imagine the vast majority of EV drivers do most of their charging at home.
@@daaaveeeh I charge at home but am currently enjoying a year of Supercharging courtesy of Teslas end of year promotion, so I use Suoercgargers instead. My point was aimed at the poor and inaccurate comparison made between the Tesla and Audi. I'm not a Tesla fan boi but the facts in this video are wrong.
@@RSEV rip-off. I can fill my E85 Golf Multifuel for 28€ and I get 700km of range with one tank!
Can’t believe you choose to make that conclusion. No one wants to charge to over 90 per cent in normal driving to prevent battery degradation.
Who spent less money? Efficiency is way more important than charge speed on - one type of charger.
Interesting but who would have won had the Tesla been using a Supercharger?
Would have been exactly the same!
The rate limiting step is uptake of power not the supply. The result would be the same.
Wow. If Shell gets enough of these charges around the country and with those charging speeds then the playing field vs Tesla is starting to level out! Especially if Gridserve/Ecotricity really get going.
And you can see they were very easy to use which is key
Did you watch VW’s battery day on Monday? They said they are going to 5X their public chargers by 2025! I think they sad 18k “pumps” in Europe.
They are few and far in between up north. It's mostly a 50Kw backwater up here. 175Kw chargers are a special treat when you come across them.
A comparison with the BMW i4 or iX would be nice.
That will take a little while - like end of the year - the Q4 will be out before
Do you feel Tesla gentle charge curve may protect the battery better and thus Audi may suffer medium term degradation ?
Indeed that could be the argument and only time will tell I guess...
The ETron has a large top buffer, bigger than the Tesla, which allows it to charge quickly at high state of charge.
that's why E-Tron sells well too in Norway, despite the weight and price
Interestingly it’s why I was intrigued to try and etron. If it’s popular there, and in the Netherlands there must be a reason.
This is it
@@RSEV and I guess you can have modern matrix headlights too
@@RSEV The reason why is because Norway has the lowest speed limits thus e-tron's range issues are helped and people get huge tax breaks on purchase versus huge tax penalty buying the ICE equivalent.
@@honesty_-no9he I am told most Norwegians prefer a fastest charging cuz they don't like to stay there longer. The Ioniq 5 could be popular because it charges fast as almost 4 years old e-tron.
Nice,.. but you should have fooled the Tesla you are going for a supercharger in the navigation so it will pre-conditioned it's batteries for a DC fast charge..it may have even the results or made them a bit closer.
In these temps and state of battery (50%) it wouldn’t have made any negligible difference. And there’s no superchargers anywhere in south London so it’s real world 💁♂️
The Tesla model 3 should have kept on driving until it reaches 10-20% state of charge then fully charge at at Tesla supercharger, Its pointless to charge the Tesla at 50% state of charge while the E-Etron only has 30%.
Do you own and drive an EV?
In the real world you’ll drive a couple hours and then top it up. How long does it take to replenish is the question.
The lower the state of charge, the more the audi would have won by I’m afraid.
And the audi wasn’t at 30%... 🤦♂️
@@RSEV Yes. I do. I owned a 2018 model 3 and the way I usually handle road trip in a Tesla is drive fast and charge often at a Tesla Supercharger with 10-20% state of charge pulling in for 15-30 the most then hit the road again driving at 75-85 mph in U.S. There's no point at charging a Tesla at 50% state of charge while you wait to get your coffee LOL.
@@rj8u yes and that’s one of the points of this I guess. The Tesla you do indeed need to run it right down. The audi doesn’t matter, so habits can kind of change a bit.
It was only for a bit of fun and some people seem to be taking it too seriously.
11:43 Etron did not have only 30 % , stop imagining things.
@@RSEV Yes. The E-Etron has 40% vs Tesla 50% charge. The issue with your video it seem you took advantage if Etron faster charge speed and neglect the fact when it comes to electric car the only things that really matters is "effieciency" and the E-Tron is not a very efficient car thus having a large battery and faster charge speed to compensate for this and that's what you guys should have talked about in the trip or atleast touch basis.
Its like buying a gas car do want a car with a large gas tank very inefficient or a effiencient car with a small gas tank 😄👍.
imagine if the etron could pre heat before charging?
Is the rumor true the new LG battery Tesla 3 LR charges 10 min longer?
Which has the bigger battery? Was the M3 preheated prior to arriving at the charger?
Audi bigger battery 95kwh v 75kwh (less useable in each of course).
No preheating before charging but in these temps and state of charge, it doesn’t make any negligible difference
Good comparison 👍
Seems like a bit of an odd test given that the Tesla could get back to point A without charging + would have access to the Supercharger network which could charge at up to 250kw (if V3)...
Also important to remember that 90% of the Etron is probably what 70% of the Model 3 is in terms of real world range - so again comparing % is not very relevant in the real world
If listen to video I explain why we did it. Simply made most of the opportunity. I’ve also have a model 3 for two years, know what it can do, and I explain the point that it could well be a v3 charger but at this state of charge it wouldn’t make any difference. Worth listening and I do explain a couple of times and say why
@@RSEV I understand why you are comparing the 2 models - but I don't understand the point of the test using % as the metric by which it is won or lost? Surely all that matters in the real world is actual range?
I.e which car was able to do the return journey in the shortest amount of time etc? that is more relevant to people looking to compare ?
@@cokyrobes It's relevant because most people don't necessarily 'plan' their journeys. This video demonstrates that the e-tron might be more flexible in that it can charge quicker at an impromptu stop. I suspect...that if you were 'planning' the journey in the Tesla and included a SuperCharger stop in Navigation, that the Tesla would have charged faster...but like I said, most people probably don't plan their journeys.
@@usscork I just traded in my model 3p after 18 months and one of the reasons was that I did plan my journeys and got fed up having to do so. I suspect most people driving pure EVs do plan their trips particularly the longer ones. I bought a hybrid so I don’t have to worry now.
It’s already been said: percentage of charge is meaningless. Compare ‘added range’ after 20 minutes, not SOC. Sheesh.
What... that’s what this test shows exactly.
After 20 minutes the audi replenished the 105 miles.
It took the Tesla c.30 minutes to add the same 105 miles.
They’d both done the same journey! The whole point of the video you’ve missed.
Sheesh .. 🤦♂️
@@RSEV Must’ve missed it... where exactly in the video do you say anything about Miles added? It’s simple math, mate: you said it took 30 minutes to charge the Audi to 100% at which time the model 3 was at roughly 90%. EPA estimates 222 mile (at best) range for the Audi E Tron and 353 miles for the model 3 Long Range-or 317 miles at 90%. Again, sheesh.
@@PtBm2975 we did the same journey, so replenished the same miles... not sure what’s not to understand so I think I’ll leave it there 💁♂️
@@RSEV Oof. Did Audi pay you for this sleight of hand? It does not at all matter “how fast you replenish what you’ve used.” What matters is, after thirty minutes sitting at a charger, how far can you go. If you have to charge to 100% (never recommended) to go 200 miles and in the same amount of time I charge to 90% and can drive 300 miles...I don’t have dog in this hunt, in fact for the kind of driving I do I’d prefer the Audi (if it were gifted); but if you don’t get what a navel gazing exercise this was, I’m gonna have to unsubscribe.
@@PtBm2975 You're just not getting it are you?!
Fun but flawed. We both know the Tesla would have done a lot better than it did if it had the opportunity to pre-condition the battery for charging.
In these temps and state of charge, not really.
As there are no Superchargers in south London, not much we could do about that.
It was an opportunistic experiment, as stated a couple times.
We’ll do a more extensive version of this test as soon as we can, and yes I’ll ensure a Tesla supercharger is utilised.
@@RSEV sure I get it. What I do in this sometimes if I know where I’m going is just tell the navigation I’m going to a supercharger and ignore the directions, so it heats the battery anyway, regularly get over 100kw. There’s no argument, the Audi certainly charges well with that big buffer it has, but is way less efficient than the Tesla so largely balances things out.
gracias por todo departe de carwow América Latina
compare miles totally different audi vs m3
I do like a race 😝
I wonder what battery will last the longest Audi or Teslas? i belive Tesla has there charging curve for a reason :P
Good question, and that video will have to follow in a few years probably
Audi is said to have more buffer (bottom and top), not the case with Tesla it seems
@@seb. I dont think its that simple ^^ but it will show in time :)
No way is 88kWh made available.
I added 52.4kwh to take car from 41%displayed to 100% displayed.
Pro rata that would equal 88.8kwh actually.
If I could post a picture of that on here I would.
Ties in with similar charging sessions before this video.
Not sure what else I can say 💁♂️
Old model 3. Tesla owner wouldn’t use a non Supercharger and would have pre heat, if you had pulled into Motorway Ecotricity would be broken!
Preheat wouldn’t make a difference. And why wouldn’t they use non superchargers?
Do you have a Tesla?
@@RSEV Yes, an SR+ and I wouldn’t use anything but a Supercharger unless I had to
No pre heating no fun.
Makes little difference at these temps (mild). Uses more energy to preheat anyway so would have had less left.
@@RSEV Then why not show that? That's what Tesla recommends.
@@richierauscher5131 there’s no Tesla superchargers in south London 💁♂️
@@RSEV Then why make the "comparison" travel to that location? If you're wanting to test their charge back rate, then maybe take advantage of both cars features? Because, after all, that seems to be the entire point of the video; to take advantage of Audi's quick charging time. Next you should do a video where you test range, but give the Tesla a flat tire.
@@richierauscher5131 listen to the video, that’s the journey we had to make that day. We’re not full time you tubers to make reviews.
So, two things, the audi would beat the Tesla even with pre-heating. There’s other videos showing full charges from low SOC and it still beats it.
Second, if you don’t like, scroll on and watch something else. That’s the beauty of the internet.
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This isn't remotely a good comparison video. You don't even use a Tesla Supercharger, you acknowledge in the video that Tesla charges faster when low on charge. The Tesla doesn't even NEED to recharge. It could just go back to the start. Whereas the E-Tron does need to charge again. You state the E-Tron has a 95 kW battery pack compared to Tesla's 75 kW battery - that's means the Tesla gets far more range on a smaller battery pack.
What a terrible video.
You don’t understand do you? I bet you have not listened to it because I explain multiple times...
It’s about replenishing what you use.
I state multiple times answers to what you put forward. For example that it wouldn’t charge faster at a supercharger. Why would it? It wasn’t taking anywhere near the power available to it.
It’s about long journeys where you want to stop and replenish what you’ve used. Which can do that quicker.
Try listening and understanding before criticising
Tesla loses and you are butthurt.
It could be worse with a 2021 model.
@@RSEV The unique comfort feature of etron is, it can charge fast at any opportunity. This is probably in line with the expectations of their customerbase which consists of less EV enthusiasts and tech savy experts compared to Tesla.
tesla can take up to 250 kw charge
But less often than you would like in the real world?
Yes but I’ve never seen that in the real world. I’ve been driving them 2 years!
Max I’ve had is c. 190kw briefly at the lower state of charge, and then continuously slowing down.
Like I say, context, still fast, but it is actually quite frustratingly slow at the upper end.
In the audi I’ve added 75kwh in under 40 minutes and I’ve never been able to do that in any Tesla.