Shahbaz Ansar on being an Indian Atheist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2022
- In this episode, we talk to journalist Shahbaz Ansar about what it's like to be an atheist with a Muslim name in India. I'm guessing it's definitely harder than being a "Hindu Atheist". Support this channel at vimoh.stck.me
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The most important point government should recognise that there can be people with no religion
@Mustafa Ahmed
Unfortunately, in deeply religious countries-i.e. in deeply superstitious countries-such as India, atheism and irreligious (and also non so-called Dharmic) tendencies are considered to be frames of mind that do not deserve recognition.
Our Constitution has already recognised it and made it a fundamental right for every citizen.
No the most important point is there should be separation of church and state. Throw out religion out of govt and policy making.
@@harsh9023 there is a separation of religion and state in India, it's not legal to use religion in elections but since sabki roti dharm ko ghaseetkar hi chalti hai no political party is ready to apply it strictly.
@@RR_theproahole absolutely bro
In short:
I've a great care and love for my elder sister, this is how i saw and realize how my sister lacks alot of opportunity and status because of her gender.
I became feminist, being a feminist i started being an apologist Muslim, spinning Quran and hadith in order to align it my religion. But this didn't ripe well, eventually i realized I was just lying to myself only, I started looking into religion more deeper from sociological pov to scientific. And gradually my faith started to diminish which was obviously inevitable.
This is how i left my religion.
Thanks
@@sai_69 why thanks?
Thanks for standing up for women. Thanks for being open minded.
दुनिया के सारे धर्म ऐसे ही है भाई
@@shubhounofficial5125 exactly
I'm an Exmuslim Atheist 😏🗿
Jai Hind ❤
Insaaniyat Zindabad 💛
Hail Atheism ⚛
Science Haafiz 📚 🔬 🔭
Inquilab Zindabad 💪 🔥
@Zeyguardian: Indian Haywaan
Keep it up. 👍👍
truly bro it feels good when Islamic people realise truth rather than living a lie
Chill
Its easy for men to openly declare themselves as atheist .. as a housewife .. who was very religious ( in the real sense )its impossible to lead a normal life minus religion ..youngsters can go astray but a grown up .. no way . Would love to be part of some organization where i can meet or at least talk to like minded people .
@Sadiqa khan
I presume that you are from India.
Unfortunately, atheism is considered unacceptable in deeply religious countries (i.e. deeply superstitious countries) such as India.
There are Hindus (i.e. so-called Sanatana Dharmists) who claim that Hinduism allows atheism-in order to claim that their religion (so-called dharmic system of beliefs) is more magnanimous than other religions, especially Islam and Christianity.
Such persons are blissfully ignorant of what Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita (especially in Chapter 7), about persons who do not surrender to him (i.e. to the Hindu god).
By definition, atheists would be a component of the set of persons who do not surrender to Krishna, because atheists do not even believe that any god exists.
Did you find any organisation or platform?? Please tell me, I need that too
@@mustafhanawab not yet ..I am thinking of starting one online provided i meet like minded people .
@@sadiqakhan277 do reply here if you do so or let me know if I can contribute in this venture
@@sadiqakhan277
Hi. Is there any update regarding your plans to start an organisation or Online community of atheists ?
This stream is really great vimoh, keep producing such streams
1hr felt like 15 mins. Need more videos like this. I enjoyed a lot. Yes we need a community for sure.
I too want a room as simple as vimoh…a bed, two book shelf with full of books and a study table. Thats it.
What a great session! I could relate to most of the things discussed here. Especially when Vimoh spoke about having an option for non-religious people in Census - which is what has been on my mind for quite sometime now. I want my option on being an atheist be seperately recognised. I also feel that religion option should accounted for every individual in a family. Like Shahbaz, even i feel that atheist need to be organised and I agree with his reasoning on why that needs to happen. Thanks for such an insightful discussion.
In India, the number of atheists are grossly under-reported. Totally agree with all your points. People in India are not open to atheism. Minorities are recognised but not atheists :|
Religious minorities are provided reservation but not atheists. Either give reservation to atheists or don't give reservation to religious minorities.
Note: I don't have anything against reservations to PWD (people with disabilities).
The Live has shaped up really well. The structure, and the quality of the conversations is top-notch
Are you muslim
What a wonderful person Shahbaz is. It just shows that atheists believe in humanity, common sense, love, well being of others and do not discriminate based on caste or religion, which are the two most polarizing factors in our country and also the world today.
Very nice stream. Love both you guys. 🥰
आप लोग बहुत अच्छा काम कर रहे हैं। ऐसे ही लोगो को जागरूक करते रहे।
I'm from kerala. Here, we have many very strong atheist organisations like Essense Global, who have been conducting seminars, debates and conversations for decades as early as in the beginning of 20th centuary. Anyone know Ex-muslims of Kerala? Many freethinkers like Arif hussain, Liyakkathali CM, E A Jabbar, Ravichandran C etc are doing unthinkable contribution.
Need to do that in West Bengal!
I think you mean Ayoob PM not Ravichankar C.
Great conversation on a very crucial topic. ❤
What a conversation!🙏
Awesome video Vimoh & Shahbaz. Keep up the Good work !
Very interesting stream.
A great conversation
Can relate to some experiences 😂
and some strong arguments against religion
As an atheist who is constantly mocked, I someday wish India will be free of religion. total eradication of religion, and complete separation of religion and government.
आने वाली जेनरेशन के लिए आप लोग बहुत अच्छा काम कर रहे हैं। लोगो को अन्धविश्वास के बारे में बता रहे हैं।
आप लोगो से बहुत कुछ सीखने को मिलता है।
This guy is brave!
It is important that Government adds "no religion" as an option for surveys and forms. There are many more atheists than officially recognized in India. A petition should be sent to GOI. On the flip side, when atheism grows somehow media will discuss "atheism jihad" in prime time and even Muslims and Christians will agree.
His explanation technique is much better than u vimoh😁 . Please do more streams with Shahbaz, it's amazing, I enjoyed this conversation.
He is correct 💯 we humans are social animal so we need community to live with. We should turn our society towords scientific community I think it will be an option for community 💫
I named my son "Sahir" because I really like Sahir Ludhianvi's songs and some people were not comfortable with it. Now when the Letter "S" came up for name in religious name giving ceremony then all were ok with it, LOL! People think of language in religious terms and that has to be changed.
Jawaharlal Nehru was openly atheist
Watching this video late but vimoh did you find such comunity like that?
Deepika Padukone example was hilarious 😂 I'm gonna use this argument next time when I talk to theists about "god" 😂
I know shahbaz ansar
Shabaz is from bihar
My village and shabaz village are same.i know everything
Indoctrination is the main issue, which unintentionally was shown in the Malayalam film, Guru. The film actually gives the opposite message but we agnostic atheists/atheists will see through that and get the unintentional message.
Thankks to Vimoh, we got to know, Shahbaz is so cute 😛
@38:09 I totally agree with what Shahbaz. In my understanding, he is not against "banning of hijab" but he is against the gov's "Intention" behind banning of hijab.
I am Athesit with muslim name totally can relate this.
haha samee
Hmm iski biwi rndi hai aur relate kr pa rha hoga 😂
@@Revolutionary1080 how disgusting are you, you’re calling another woman a misogynistic slur while being a woman? DISGUSTING.
Shwethab Gangwar and prakhar Gupta k saath b ek podcast karro bhai 🤙
बहुत अच्छी स्ट्रीम
I disagree with Vimoh's claim at 22:21 that atheists in India are not persecuted.
Even though there is no explicit persecution of atheists in India (yet), that is perhaps mainly because atheists in India have been silent by and large-at least in the last few centuries.
If atheists in India try to run a TV show such as 'The Atheist Experience', that is when the true colours of the theists of India will come out in the open.
Completely agree... As soon as I start challenging the norms in my community they start to corner me.
Beta, koi kuchh kahe toh use Mera address deke mere paas aane ko bolna, k@@t keh r@kh denge! Koi bhi astik ko.
@@mustafhanawab
To some extent, I can empathise with your unpleasant experience.
In my case, a few of my Hindu (so-called Sanatana Dharmist) friends and acquaintances have stopped interacting with me-some have even claimed that I am actually an anti-Hindu Christian or Muslim who is pretending to be an atheist 😂😂.
My family members have not made an issue out of it, though.
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist bcoz atheist mock their religion
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist bro, you're Everywhere in Anti-hindu content 😭
I even saw you spamming 😭
Atheism is liberating. Changed my life.
I think ypu should study atheism in deeep then u realise that what they beleive is nothingness create something😂😂
@@rawasbhai123 🤦
Hmm suar sanp genda kya skte ho
@@rawasbhai123 wow! I didn't knew that😮
I believe in Flying spaghetti monster ❤
We need a organization. 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
30:04... Vimoh used "hey bhagwan" 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sar tann se juda krdo iska ab 😂
It is interesting to see someone muslim to come out and dare to say he's an atheist.
1. In islam the murtad (an atheist) is brutally treated and I know quite a few atheist muslims which do not come out, remain under disguise or fly out of India.
2. If someone is believes that an atheist in islam is a disguise for one reason mentioned above and the other reason is al-taqiya, whicj clearly allows a disguise in the dar ul haram if the conditions are not favourable.
Kudos to the this person whos courageous to come out.
Debate with mufti Yasir Nadeem al wajidi
Kejriwal was openly Atheist. As soon as he came into politics, he started talking about "having faith". With "Muslim appeasement" seemingly hurting and BJP's effective polarization, "Jai Hanuman" had to be adopted.
Now he's a Hindu. Overton window is shifted right wards now
I wouldn't say he was an atheist, perhaps he was a spiritual person.
"I am neither a believer in God nor an atheist... Being a logical person, I am a firm believer in karma... As a ritual, I meditate almost daily and sometimes even between work..." - Arvind Kejriwal, 2006, Times of India
If what you folks are saying is true, then he is highly likely Agnostic. He practices Vipassana meditation, which has nothing to do with spirituality.
I agree with you that we need to add atheist or non-religious to the census. It already has religion not stated option, and there are 0.7 million people under that category in the last census.
For atheists to claim policy directed towards them we must first establish that they have a distinctive need. People belonging to certain religious group need to practice their religion so they have requirements regarding that but what specific need an atheist would have simply on account of being an atheist?
Also assimilating atheism in Hindu fold is not "caste-splaining" as Vimoh mentioned. Atheist has a specific meaning in the west. It means that religion which believes in personal God. Most of Indian schools of Philosophy do not believe in personal God and people mistake this with having something like Hindu atheist...
All schools of thought except Charvaka in India subscribe to supernatural belief even if it is not a belief in person God that is the creator of the universe ex nihilo. Usually such claims come up because people do not fully grasp the meaning of the terms involved. No religion can be atheistic though some are God-less.
Lastly the question you get from fellow atheists seem like Vimoh is the new Baba of atheists who explains the code of conduct to their cult. 😅 We atheists need to be socially differently organized or else much of the discussion around injustice towards atheists at least reminded me of the early days of Christianity and unfair treatment they received. We sound like a persecuted community that is showing courage in the face of ghor anyaya from fanatics. 😅
Essence Global
I am an ex-hindu athiest. In 12:40 he says that Hindu radicals say that when you become majority you will capture our land. This is mainly because of of the dar al-islam, dar al-sulh, dar al-harb concept in islam. Also mainly people have come to know that there is a concept of al-taqqiya in islam. I read many hindu and islamic texts before becoming an athiest.
Bhai maximum Indian muslims ko
Halaala , 9 yr marriage , blasphemy law - stoning to death etc etc ka pata bhi nhi hai
They are just muslims because they are born in a muslim family
@Name hmm , even I being from a syed religious family (now exmuslim)
never heard of "ghazwa e hind" until I saw sacred games .... 😂
@@AnarchistDoc 😆😆true .
If you read Qur'an then you know Al taqiyaa is Shia concept not Sunnis.
@@AgnosticSage hn bhai shi keh rha hai tu abe c mai muslim hon to kia mai kuch nhi janta tere hisaab se islamic scholar ho
Absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence. God is not a bacteria which can be proved on the slide of a microscope or a distant galaxy which can be seen from any sophisticated telescope. Its beyond the comprehension of human mind. Dont we all agree that this perfect universe did not came into existence of its own without any proper planning? Had that been the case, we would see flaws in it. Who created these fundamental particles, forces, fields? So, there is a creator. How do we deal with these questions? It is something, right?
You're assuming a "who". There is no reason to think so.
@@vimohlive You say that you have reference for the Designing or production of Mobile phone in one of your Reels . Then May I ask What's your reference for some Object which was Not created or produced by somebody ? Something which Happened by Itself
@@thanveermohammed1997 A rock?
@@thanveermohammed1997 hey bro don't you think by your logic there has to be something which created god himself then some other god who created them and this cycle would be endless and if you think that god was always there can't it be that the universe was always there and there was no god?
India also have blasphemy laws as section 295a under india. Penal court which is a non bailable and unwarrated persicussion. Which no warrant ia required to arrest you in case of some so called blasphemical act
Also Hitler was influenced by Hindduism, especially the Theosophical variety.
lmao braindead bengali
This is true that atheist accounts for 3 laegest population in the world with over 1/3 american becoming atheist and only poland rome and romania having religious inclination.
bhai mei 2 year se qthiest hu....jis din past mei jaane wali machine bnn jye bss os din sb clear ho jayega
Peeche tender coconut and he's having Pepsi, I guess! 🙂
Lol me too i am an atheist ⚛️ with a Muslim name....well from childhood i just follow the things i think its good but some months ago i beocome a kattar and my mind wasn't at peace at all then I decided to look into another religion but realised how i am just pushing myself into lies and decided not to follow any religion and became atheist.....and i know it maybe won't possible for me to come out as an atheist as my mom will be disappointed...... being atheist doesn't mean denying everything about religion but being open-minded and have enough courage to think rationally
Swap the religion from islam to hinduism.
My story is same
Just to clarify your some of the claims here are wrong itself. First of all Qur'an is not same everywhere, copy of Sana Qur'an (Discovered 1970's) proves that.
There's no history of Prophet Muhammad outside Islamic world.
I m also from Patna
To?
नास्तिकता डर से नहीं आती
बल्कि नास्तिकता बहुत ज्ञान
अध्ययन करने से आती है
Chup
@@Revolutionary1080 kya huwa andhvishwaasi jall gyi kya
Hindi ya Urdu me bat Kiya kare
I would Like to Interview and Invite Shahbaz Ansar to my Channel.😊
I only believe one god and humanity..I don’t follow any religion but respect every religion 🙏💪🏻❤️
@Humanism
What leads you to believe that a god exists ?
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist 😂 what is atheism?
@@im_rehbar
"😂 what is atheism?"
In spite of your laughing emoji, I will assume that you are asking sincerely, and therefore here is the definition of atheism:
'Atheism is the absence of belief that any god exists.'
I am an atheist because so far there is not a shred of verifiable evidence, not a shred of credible evidence, that any god (of any religion, any belief-system, any 'way of life', any 'dharmic system') exists.
@@ex.hindu.now.atheist 1800 years ago when there was no proof of things at all that means things didn't exist? And ur existance is the ultimate proof of god. Did u create urself? Lets assume u Evolved but How the First life came into existance by its own?that supposedly means that ur mother given birth to ur mother? Fine tuning of the universe is just a coincidence?
Rationality says that yeah there Must be a god. And Btw atheism is a belief of absence of god.
@@im_rehbar
Are you a theist or a deist?
If you are a theist or a deist, WHICH "concept" of god do you believe in, and which method of appeasing (so-called worshipping) that god do you subscribe to-the Judaic, the Islamic, the Christian, the Hindu, the Sikh, the Zoroastrian, or some concept and method?
After my marraige I realised that I am an aethiest.
cool watch a168
Inquilab zindabad 🇮🇳
57:51 bacho ko zoo le Jaya jata h wese….. 🤫🤫👏🏻
Inshallah
Sarkar dharmik cost bear kaeti vote ke khaatir. It's another way to segregate religiois based population and sentiments and make your strategy according to that.
This discussion played very positive impact on illogical religion .But will create pro bjp athiest .
I am ex Muslim agnostic atheist 😅
Ok bhar mai ja
51:26 One correction, Hitler did not persecute Jews due to blaming them for killing jesus. European anti semitism comes from this idea. Hitler hated jews due to blaming them for aiding Germanys defeat during the First World War and considered them to be communist sympathizers who were trying to weaken Germany with the destructive ideology of COmmunism.
Secondly, Hitler was not a christian, he was baptized as a catholic but was anti clerical and only pandered to christian sentiments for his political gain, he himself as recorded by his biographers wanted to reduce the influence of the Church in German society.
For someone who is supposedly Christian he banned religious instruction in church run schools, removed all symbols of the christianity from church run schools and hospitals, had a special concentration camp for priests, where most of the people were catholics( the denomination he was baptized in), he shut down catholic run trade unions, catholic newspapers and even killed catholic political opponents.
The clincher is the hatred that the German National Church that Hitler tried to form had for Paul, who is the one who spread christianity to the non-jews, no person who calls Paul a distorter of Christs message to make people susceptible to being influenced by Jews, can be called a Christian by any stretch of imagination. He was an atheist.
The amount of religious influence in Nazi propaganda is evidence that he was religious. And the propaganda about jews was fueled by Biblical hatred for jews. I understand the need to cleanse one's religion from Hitler, but I'm afraid there is literally no evidence for Hitler being an atheist. He was, at the very least, someone who did believe in god and was therefore not an atheist.
@@vimohlive Well, he was not a christian at least, in his own life he never showed any great consideration to Christianity, his own targetting of the catholic church is well documented, as well as his own churches teachings. I dont know how someone who accuses Paul of distorting Jesus message can ever be called a christian, there literally is no Christianity without Paul.
I dont deny that many of the people who supported Nazism were christian ( there were atheists as well and even a German Hindu), and I also dont deny Nazis made use of Christian symbolsm in their public speeches but behind closed doors, not even Hitler liked the religion and many of his actions against the church, his plans to eradicate the predominantly christain slavic population and his own personal views as recorded in Table Talk show this.
Please tell me how Hitlers own personal thoughts on christianity, make him a
christian, here are some gems:
"When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed on such clear-sighted judgment on Christianity[...] the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. The Galilean was and must always be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against the Jews [...] and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore-of a whore and a Roman soldier. The decisive falsification of Jesus's teachings was the work of St. Paul [...] or Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely"
- From Hitlers Table Talk dated 21st October 1941.
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew."
Hitlers Table Talk, 1953
"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
Inside the Third Reich Memoirs, by Albert Speer, Page 115
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
Table Talk, 1941-44
"I realise that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors - but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch, in the next 200 years, will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. My regret will have been that I could not behold its demise."
Table Talk, 1941-44
This is my favorite one.
"If, in the course of a thousand or two thousand years, science arrives at the necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself."
Table Talk 1941-44
"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back fifteen centuries. The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair."
Table Talk, 1941-44
"This pride of race is a quality which the German, fundamentally, does not possess. The reason for this is that for these last three centuries the country has been torn by internal dissension and religious wars and has been subjected to a variety of foreign influences, to the influence, for example, of Christianity-for Christianity is not a natural religion for the Germans, but a religion that has been imported and which strikes no responsive chord in their hearts and is foreign to the inherent genius of the race."
Table Talk 1941-44
He may be a theist but calling him a christain, especially in a country like India, where due to anti christian bigotry every crime western christians ever did is put on our feet is dangerous, we already face heat due to goan inquistion and the destruction of native american culture in the American culture, Indian christians dont need to hear about how the holocaust is also caused us.
@@vimohlive One last thing, yes, the German society did hate the jews due to what they believed they did to Jesus, but this had become a normative prejudice by the time Hitler rolled around.
No matter how virulently Christians hated the Jews before Hitlers birth, it never reached the level of hatred during the third Reich, along with banal religious hatred what nazism combined was a sense of ethnic nationalism where Jews were complete foreigners in terms of both religion and ethnicity, who also were blamed for the defeat of Germany in the First World War.
Christiaity definitely deserves the blame for creating anti semitism, but scientific racism and ethnic nationalism are what turned the Nazis into truly demonic people. They even wanted to ethnically cleanse the slavic people as well.
@@battlerushiromiya651 he was not an atheist. I don't know if it's true or not but I've read somewhere that he was very much influenced by islam!
And he killed Jews for religious reason... Both Christianity and islaam has so much hate towards the Jews.
@@LoveYourself-my9nz He was influenced by many things but notably his anti Jewish pogroms were due to him hating jews as a people which cane from scientific racism created during the enlightenment. He had a great opinion on the Bhagad gita as well. See how easy it is to link different influences to hitlers pogroms?
He also had a belief in superiority of germanic paganism over christianity due to its martial character.
He may not have been an atheist but he was not a Christian either or a Muslim.
Can we make atheist matrimony 😂😂😂😂
hahaha, we’d love it ngl
Hpw can absolute nothingness cam create something ?
Savarkar, Jinnah, Advani were atheists. And you are saying they cannot divide people and create factions 😂😂
None of them created divides by saying "atheists unite". Plus, if atheists are bad, other atheists call them bad. They don't justify their actions by saying they are holy and cannot make mistakes.
@@vimohlive They could have done that if atheists would have been the majority. Eg China rule now doesn’t believe in any religion. But are committing genocide anyway.
I am not interested in "could have" and "would have". And China isn't committing violence because of atheism. And also, atheists do condemn all genocides. Religious people, on the other hand, try to justify religious violence.
@@vimohlive All problems arise when there is majoritarianism. When you say we are better than the rest because we believe in this. They are different hence dangerous. This” atheists are better and will bring peace” theory is BS. They too can be as majoritarian as religious people . Most are smug and look down on others who practice religion. ( BTW I am an atheist but don’t attribute any virtues to being that.) People can be bad/ good regardless of what they believe. China is committing genocide because they fear religious fanaticism. Isn’t that connected to their atheist beliefs? Like you most religious people condemn genocide too
@@sandyajj Again, I am more concerned with what is rather than what can be. The world we live in is one where religious violence happens, religious violence is justified, and criticism of religion is deflected using "if atheists could, they would too". None of that is useful. I myself have a problem with smug atheists that I have spoken about on a a number of occasions. But the truth remains. Our problems are due to religion, not atheism. Imaginary fantasy scenarios do nothing to solve it. The three examples you started with, all did their bad things in the name of religion, not atheism.
bhai ek baat smjh nhi aayi ab nastik bhi apna religion bna rhe hain kiya hadd hai
Religion nahi community kaha unhone
I am an atheist & belong to Patna.❤❤
बहुत अच्छी स्ट्रीम