The BEST episode yet! STAR TREK DS9 Hard Time + Shattered Mirror | 4x18/4x19 REACTION!
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1:13 - Hard Time
20:12 - Review
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Colm Meaney, again proving that Miles O'Brien is one of the toughest, hardest working, most abused members of Starfleet. The actor shines in a way that TNG didn't allow for him.
He was not a major character in TNG but he did have a few great episodes. The Wounded for exampleé
Has anyone ever figured out how you can tell O'Brien is an NCO not an officer?
In the very early TNG days, it wasn't consistent because be wasn't intended to be a continuing character. But once they established he's a chief, it's still very confusing.
@@silikon2 He wears different insignia, like little black stripe/patches.
Plus is called Chief. Mind you, in TNG he wore both 1 and 2 pips, and got called 'Lieutenant' at least once.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I'll check, I have never noticed the patches. It's still weird he has pips.
But yeah the first couple TNG seasons don't really count because they never intended O'Brien to be a real character. Reportedly, his character basically came into existence because he's a nice and a competent actor.
Whenever they had a small role they were like, hey that guy is good and we liked him so bring him back.
In Farpoint, I don't think he even had a name and was called only "conn".
I think people don't talk about Hard Time much because it's very hard to talk about. But that's because it's so well done.
And it's very hard to talk about what makes it good without giving things away about it.
The weird thing is this society's approach to criminal penalties... literally concentrates the worst aspects of imprisonment and removes the best aspects.
A not small part of imprisonment is to get the person away from where they can do harm (at least to the general public) for many years.
Here, they remove that completely, so the person is still young and able to crime.
@@silikon2 Also, prison is supposed to rehabilitate so they can become productive members of society,.... but this literally DEhabilitates, ensuring that very few CAN again live in society.
Convicts re-joining society, soldiers returning to civilian life, and other mental health transitions are addressed in this PTSD related episode. Thankfully, Julian recognizes the symptoms and is as supportive as a friend can be in such a situation.
I was laughing a little at Ollie being almost mad at the commenters for not ever mentioning "Hard Time". The problem is it's only the THIRD best PTSD episode in _Star Trek_ so it slipped under the radar...
@@jerodast Wait until he gets to the episode where Molly is stranded on a planet alone for 10 years. That episode almost had me catatonic at the time that it first aired.
This week on Star Trek Deep Space Nine: _"O'Brien Must Suffer (Even More Than Usual)",_ followed by _"Garak On A Leash"._
Hard Time is such a fantastic episode. Colm Meaney is a terrific actor and it's great he could shine on DS9. He makes even the most technobabble sound effortless and realistic.
Thank you, Oliver! 🖖 Alexander Singer and James L. Conway directed these two. 🔸 Extra praise for your usage of the word melange. 🥂
Tbh, I get teary eyes when I only see the first ten seconds of Hard Time.
There are many dark episodes in DS9, but this one feels like (one of) the darkest on a personal level (for Miles).
And mirror Worf gets to say "Make it so!"
I noticed that, too.
It doesn't seem like something that would be said in the Klingon language.
"Make it so" is a passive voice sentence. If you translated "Do it" into French, the words literally are "Make it so".
I can more imagine a Klingon saying "Do it" in the active, assertive tone.
Hard Times is, in a way, the polar opposite of Inner Light. The experience is destroying to O'Brien. Colm Meaney (pronounced Collum) is such a good actor and these "must suffer" episodes really give him a chance to flex those abilities.
Shattered Mirror really gives us the first glimpse of how much of a warship the Defiant is. Fast, manoeuvrable and heavily armed, Sisko helped build a beast.
Whew that chief episode is rough every time I watch it.
And YES all these super bad things absolutely happen to him!!!! I never really thought about it until you mentioned!!!
Side note, I’m always wishing you had a backdrop to cover the door knobs in your room. Those things are always getting in the way and I think they are part of the show. I’m like “why doesn’t sisko do anything about that fly on his forehead?” 😂
Right! That damn doorknob!
THANK YOU!
I was wondering why nobody else noticed! 😫
Have you noticed how the doorknob so often lands on the forehead of anyone on screen? 😤
I remember his reaction to, I think, Psycho (the movie.) The large Baby Yoda doll right in the background of every scene kind of diminished the terror a bit. :D
I cant believe you didnt pop when Worf said "Make it so!"
I caught that in this edit and I don't know that I caught it before. I almost wish that was a very conspicuous thing, just a random very specific joke about mirror Worf somehow reflecting this one thing that his Captain-in-another-universe did 😄
O'Brien's toughest 20 minutes/years, and arguably Defiant's finest battle action sequence.. Cracking double feature! 😃🥳😎
Hard Time is a good episode and it is the first episode I think of when I think of “O’Brien Must Suffer” but it’s also a hard episode emotionally, so it’s not one that people would often choose to rewatch.
Fun fact the actress who plays Molly O'Brien now works in an Asian cuisine resturaunt. That restaurant was featured on the Gordon ramsy show kitchen nightmares and she appeared on that episode
Oh wow! Did not know that! Think I've seen every Kitchen Nightmares, missed that one!
I hope she's still getting royalties!
Yes, she worked as an actress playing a server.
do you know the season and episode number for it?
I agree, Colm's acting with A level. And this episode was his closeup. He knocked it out of the park.
The behind the scenes reason for O’Brien getting such a hard time is that apparently Colm Meaney is a pretty great guy and great to work with. On TNG they liked working with him so much that when they needed a random crewman to have something bad happen to them they would call him up.
He is also a good character actor. He suffered well.
Hard Times is one of my favorite episodes of all time. That’s something you’ll notice about a lot of the recommendations. People are trying to give you serialized recommendations, or something they think that builds to something in later seasons. But some of the best Star Trek episodes are single stand alone episodes that take the characters or stories to places you’ve rarely experienced anywhere else on TV. What other show could tell the story of an alien race that in a course of a few hours forces you to experience another life lived in confinement… and that’s only how the episode opens. It’s just phenomenal.
Beshears speech to O'Brien is legendary
*Bashir’s
@@1978rharris sorry voice to text did me dirty
Yeah-this really lets Julian be both a doctor and a friend to Miles. The two actors have such great chemistry.
@jasoncaldwell5627's post mentioning Colm Meany in Stargate: Atlantis made me realize how similar that sereis actually is to DS-9.
Both are based on a large, movable "station" which rarely moves, where they explore other worlds using ships and a "wormhole".
Both started out with small ships, but eventually got something better.
Both have a major enemy that attacks them in ships.
Both have a large, warrior, tough-guy outsider working with them.
Hard Time is to O'Brien,
as The Inner Light is to Picard.
I think that is going a bit too far.
There’s NO WAY that O’Brien would be that OK after that 20 year prison sentence. Also, there’s NO WAY that Picard could just go back to being the captain of the ENTERPRISE so fast after THE INNER LIGHT
Since we don't have technology that can make someone experience years and years in a few minutes, I have to assume that the technology itself somehow makes it somewhat easier to readjust afterwards that if you actually lived all that time.
I had a thought watching this reaction, that O'Brien having a family probably helps him "come back". And I suppose Picard seeing his crew as his family would help too. Just being around other people who clearly are the people they were "20 years ago" would sort of anchor you back to reality, and make it easier to put the false life off to the side. You get up, you see your 5 year old daughter...she is real, your reality where you are the father of a 5 year old daughter, must be real.
And of course mainly these are still the mainly-episodic seasons of Trek :P
I like to think, at least in the case of "The Inner Light", the probe's psychological effects were... somehow... designed to fade after awhile, like a vivid dream that loses its impact as time passes.
Speaking of *The Inner Light* the actress who play Argrathi alien (2:00) plays Kamin's (Picard) wife in that episode.
The writing of DS9 is so better than shows today. More space battles and better drama.
I’m so ready to watch your reaction to The Quickening. It’s my favorite Bashir episode because it’s where he turns from an incredibly gifted but pompous young man into a doctor. McCoy is smiling down upon him in that episode. 🖖🏻
He's watching The Quickening and To The Death in the same week!
He may not survive that level of awesome.
It's a running joke with the mirror universe episodes that a Ferengi dies in each one
Hard Time was originally going to be a sequel to the TNG episode *Lower Decks* where Ensign Sito was found to have been held in a Cardassian prison since the events of that episode. The original version of this episode would have detailed her struggle to reintegrate into normal life and was basically suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after she killed her cellmate, to whom she had become very close.
Fun fact: The person who plays Jennifer Sisko. It’s her birthday today 😅
Felicia M. Bell. Apparently became a holistic nutritionist.
@@jerodast that makes so much sense for her personality (at least this character)....
Hard time is a 10 out of 10 no question
There was no CGI (other than the phasers, I suppose) in the fight - all model work. I think this is the most complex model work shown in Star Trek. It's weird they expend so much effort for a... "random" episode but they did.
Models kick CGI butt, however time consuming and expensive.
@@SteveHARDWATER Well yes - this was the last episode they did big big big model work on. Again, I dunno why they spent so much effort on this but they did...
By now there's some CGI defiant in random shots here and there - and by season 5, other than re-using stock footage, the Defiant is almost full CGI.
Model work will continue sporadically up until early season 6 - I think the USS Centaur was the last physical model filmed for DS9 (early-mid season 6).
EDIT: there's a couple of custom model shots in late season 6 and 7 but not for ships - these were for either bits of the station they needed angles on, or where they'd do full scale sets (say a runabout on a surface of a planet with the crew coming out) but that isn't really a model as a full scale prop.
Thanks for the inside scoop!
Models were extensively used until the End of Season 5, with I think their last heavy usage in ‚Call to Arms‘. And from ‚Sacrifice of Angels‘ onward it was basically all-CGI (except DS9, which would stay a Model until the very last shot of the Series)
You can always tell when a movie or episode uses real models, the lighting is just so much better. CGi is great for touching up, adding effects and everything, but for the main structures, you just have to love good old models.
It is a good PTSD episode in general. Because nothing has changed for everyone around O'Brian, it sets the stage for what it is like for people who go through a traumatic event that people may not know about. It also highlights how a good friend should put their foot in the doorway as someone who is suffering is trying to close it. It shows that you really care about them without being too intrusive.
“O’Brien goes through hell” episode! Shit yeah, baby!
It's not that people don't value this episode, the thing is there are just sooooo many great episodes on DS9 that it's hard to remember them all just off the top of your head when you list your favourites, and that list can change from one day to the next, but yes, "the irishman must suffer" episodes are always very good episodes, and this one (Hard Time) has also brought back another of his engineering crew that's a regular guest on the show (Enrique "Quique" Muñiz). DS9 really handles serious issues and social topics very well, in this case being PTSD, as well as questioning the morality of tthe prison system in general.
Quique is my favorite "lower decks" Trek character.
The reference to O'Brien having been imprisoned by Paradas isn't about the Cardassian prison and trial episode; it's about Whispers, the episode where the Paradas create an O'Brien clone who thinks he's O'Brien. By the way, I saw a documentary several years ago that suggests that innocent people who have been in prison for a substantial period before being exonerated have, statistically, an even harder time reintegrating into society than actual criminals have, and are often simply unable to function again. You can see why this would be the case: the criminal has at least the comfort of knowing that he was responsible for what happened to him, and that if he changes his behavior he can avoid repeating such consequences; but the wrongly convicted person, whatever he may believe intellectually, is apt to feel emotionally that there is no point in trying to build any kind of life for himself, because past experience shows that, no matter how innocent you may be, the authorities just come and take everything away from you anyway, making all of your efforts useless and pointless, so why make those efforts in the first place?
Back-to-back? Woof. Gonna need some prozac for this one!
Keep an eye on that engineering guy that was telling Miles "another week or two and you'll be running this place".
That Keki- he's a recurring"lower decks" kinda character. I think he's in several episodes.
*Quique, not Keki - “Quique” is a diminutive/nickname of “Enrique”. Crewman Enrique Muñiz portrayed by F.J. Rio.
That was the last hurrah for model work in Star Trek. From here on, the big battles (oh there's gonna be big battles) start to have more and more CGI.
The DS9 companion says they made a 20 foot long model of the underside of Worf's ship.
...and stock footage. I was very put off by the use of stock footage in the battle in the series finale. They couldn't shoot all original footage for the finale?
DS9 really put Chief Everyman through the ringer over the course of seven seasons.
Here is another like for that comment. 👍
The image of O'Brien with a phaser to his own head is burned into my mind
Hard Time was one of my favorite episodes. I heard once that the Star Trek writers came up with this story during the run of The Next Generation and Capt. Picard was supposed to go through this experience.
Oh wow I can totally see that being a thing but I think it would have felt too much like Inner Light for it to be in TNG!
I cry everytime! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Hard Time is one of the most stand out episodes of DS9 for me.
TOS, DS9, Enterprise and Discovery have mirror episodes :)
No one is safe on alternate Timeline DS9.
That reminds me a video popped on my feed recently "Miles O'brien is Always Abused on Star Trek TNG and DS9 - a Compilation" it's hilarious how it's always his shoulder that is targeted
O'Brien's shoulder problems started when he was shot in the shoulder by Roga Danar in "The Hunted"
Great episode, Colm Meany gives a very powerful portrayal. The prison-time simulation thing is such a trippy idea!
Just looked at the episode schedule - next week has For The Cause- one of my very VERY favorites!
The week after has To The Death AND The Quickening!!!!!😮
Two of the episodes of Trek ever made ever!
Come to Quark’s
Quark’s is fun
Don’t walk, Run!
@@brucechmiel7964you KNOW the part I'm waiting for.
Ollie, when you watched TNG, we all wanted to spoil that O'Brien would become one of the very best characters in Trek and you'd love him!
SUCH a journey from his cameo as the helmsman in the first episode of TNG!
@@brucechmiel7964 Kira (menacingly): _I_ will come to Quark's and believe me, I will have fun. 😠
@@janleonard3101 For five seconds there I almost forgot how much I love Kira, thanks for the reminder 😂😂
I think we don't mention Hard Times specifically because you cant without giving it away and its also the number one 'O'Brien suffering episode because its hard to watch so most people dont rewatch it a lot.
I agree - hard time went under the radar, but it is one of the best. I only wish that every now and then his friend would show up as an imaginary voice that helps Miles.
'Everyman' O'Brien
Picard also did an 'everyman' episode in TNG.
These are epic episodes
I'm assuming you're referring to Picard in "Inner Light".
I havent seen Shattered Mirror in a while. Wow that space battle was cool!
And the Regency One is like ten times the size of the NeghVar from the home universe! They went out of their way to show Cardassians and Klingon ships as tiny next to it and they added a ton of decks of windows to the hull to show the difference.
The Defiant is like the Millennium Falcon next to a Star Destroyer!
@@jasoncaldwell5627 I actually thought that made the fight a little unconvincing haha. Look I love the Defiant but the idea that it and one little tiny fighter thingy could somehow turn the tide against that ship with a whole fleet next to it, felt a little nuts.
I buy that the fully armed and operational station could fight off a fleet because that's what a military station is supposed to do, but if the Defiant was THAT special everyone would make one!
Generally, the _Defiant_ is effective because it either goes on missions it's suited for, or is part of a fleet working together, and it gets its kills in and doesn't get killed, just like a bunch of other ships. The captain and plot armor only supplement that core capacity, not make it a one-ship superweapon.
@@jerodast Sisko added ablative armor to the ship that wasn't part of the original specs.
As time goes by, we see Starfleet churning out more Defiant class ships but also other escort designs like the Saber.
@@jerodast The fighter is definitely upscaled as well- probably to 50 meters, but yeah, the fight would have been more convincing if we'd seen the station also firing on the Regency One.
Ollie - I love how you keep saying "This is the best episode yet!" I can guarantee as you get into Season 5,6 and 7, you will be saying that a lot. Fasten your seat belt, you are in for quite a ride!
A couple more episodes....and the great actor Jeffery Combs begins to cement his legacy in Star Trek with the first appearance of Weyoun
Hard Time: WOOOO! This season's "Let's torture Miles!" episode! A DS,9 tradition!
Shattered Mirror puts Sisko through the emotional wringer!
Some masterclass acting from both episodes.
You're coming up to my favorite episode of the season- To The Death!
Great guest actors in "To The Death"
@@hyzenthlay7151 Weyun gets introduced there. And a great TNG callback.
I'm not sure if Ollie saw that TNG episode though.
33:55 The worst thing about the Intendant is how she just relentlessly projects the impression that you and anyone she meets are just toys for her to play with. But you don't know it because she hasn't gotten around to playing with you, yet. 😈
I forgot aboot that. At 42:46 when mirror Worf says "Make it so!" That was our universe's Capt. Picard's command to get something done.
Yeah I didn't even notice watching it but it is such a cool thing for him to say!
I cry every time I watch that episode. They destroyed a good man. An innocent man turned into a murderer over a mistaken belief his friend was hiding food from him.
hard episode to watch this torture episode but colm meany should have won an emmy for this episode I won;t watch it again
20:49 place marker.
When Hard Time first aired, I couldn't sleep for three or four nights afterwards, because the story upset me so much. I still think about it from time to time because it is so awful. The pure torture of being locked in a room for twenty years is horrifying. Then to compound matters, and in typical Federation weakness, the Federation does nothing to those people in terms of retaliation. Any other Star Trek power would have sent a fleet of ships to surround their planet to end those people - even the Ferengi wouldn't have taken this lying down the way the weak Federation did.
The sentence given to O'Brien is a very cruel one - not just imprisonment for 20 years in harsh conditions, but the fake memory of murdering his fake best friend. Having the memories of prison for 20 years is bad enough but to be so cruel as to give people the memory of murdering their best friend over a mistake is... wtf.
It's why O'Brien's having such a hard time (heh) over it - he'd never do that... but he has the memory of doing it and it drives him to suicide.
These aliens basically give people a "self fulfilling death-sentence" without having to actually execute people - the prisoners execute themselves.
Hard Time is such a well done episode, for sure. But neither of these do I watch in my rewatches.....They are so tough on the heart. Still had to watch this, thanks for giving me a new appreciation for the episodes I've only watched a few times rather than dozens.
I think a little bit this episode was to make up for everyone who said Picard should have been "changed more" after The Inner Light. The passage of time changes everyone -- in ways large and small.
I’m not aware enough of TNG to fully know how much he changed but I do wish that the consequences of Hard Time can be seen much more presently in DS9 in the future
DS9 season four has two tearjerker episodes that always work. One of them is intensely celebrated, but to me feels like a bit of a (lovely, but maudlin) melodrama. The other one, this one, hits like a ton of hammers, but never once plays a foul note. The only problem is that this one also feels like it should leave poor O'Brien really damaged and changed for the rest of the series. Instead, it's just a one off about needing and using therapy for trauma. Which, yes, is still one of the best episodes of Star Trek.
Maybe not a coincidence that this aired just a year and change after Shawshank came out?
Agreed with your criticisms of both tearjerkers! They're both good, this one is better, but episodic shows of the 90s just hurt their potential for truly excellent television in being allergic to consequences.
@@meropetied Apparently this one was pitched back in season 1. But maybe not a coincidence it was finally picked up at this time!
Which one is the best episode yet 😮
You'll have to find out!
2 fantastic episodes
Mirror Worf says Make it so just like Picard did...
I am watching this as I play somd Fallout 4. And this episode has me in tears already
Survives remorse
Holding on to pain can ruin everything. Please don't do that. Trust me. I ruined my family because i never spoke about it
O'brien is the most important person in star fleet history. and thats cannon.
Is watching Evil Kira episodes on repeat considered a fetish? Asking for a friend.
CONTINUITY & PRODUCTION PROBLEMS
HARD TIME (IMDb Rating: 8.3)
11:45 In "Captive Pursuit" Quark throws a Bolian woman out of his bar for cheating.
It appears that she is now allowed back in.
SHATTERED MIRROR (IMDb Rating: 7.3)
31:12 One of Nog's lady friends has a strap that moves to her cleavage when Nog tosses her to Jake. (not in this edit)
32:38 The chain and collar that seems to be constantly choking Garak isn't very believable unless Cardassians have their windpipes in the back of their necks.
I helped make Star Trek DS9 I wanted Colm to come over because he was amazing actor that we just didn’t have time for on screen we also wanted Roe but we got a better actress Nana Visitor and it was Colm who we made the every man trope, but yeah we tortured his character-lord Adam
The reason O'Brien episodes are the best is probably because he is one of the most talented and convincing actors in all of Star Trek. For acting prowess, i put him up there with Nimoy, Stewart and Spiner. One thing that always bugged me about his friendship with Bashir, is that Alex Siddig is one of the worst actors in Trek, and that deficiency is amplified by playing against the much better acting of Colm Meaney.
You think of Siddig's acting as being poor to the point of inadequate? 🙁
I think you are probably alone in that opinion.
I agree. When the doctor gets indignant about something enough to yell, I always felt the urge to burst out laughing at him.
Hard Time? I had your EXACT same reaction when I first saw it and it STILL kinda destroyed me when I saw that episode. Probably my favorite DS9 episode or at least the hardest hitting GOAT episode. Couple others get close like The Visitor but nothing really compares to or tops that episode IMO.
And as far as villains? 😅 Stop trying to ROOT for a villain and just enjoy a villain for being a villain. Just because a villain is very compelling and well performed and written doesn't mean you have to be conflicted or feel you have to LIKE the villain. Just say if a villain is portrayed well they're portrayed well.
Anthony Hopkins in 1960 Psycho comes to mind or Hannibal Lecter. Some villainous characters and performances are just very well portrayed.
Edit: Anthony Perkins. 🤣 My bad.
I mean, there are times you think a villain is amazingly played and really want them to go down. And then there are times you do sort of want to root for them, within the story (and may also be really well played). It can be one or the other or both!
This is NOT the most that O’Brien has suffered.
He’s married.
Another nitpick: surely The Sisko wouldn't have allowed Jake to see his "mother", and certainly not just have him randomly find them together.
How cruel can you be?
A couple of things- as heartbreaking as seeing Jennifer die, it actually gives him closure. When his mother died, he was a child and she was just...gone.
Now, he's basically a man and can process his grief. This was a chance to see his mother as a woman outside the context of her being his mother. He got to see her more like the woman she was before he was born.
Sisko though... it's just a ice cream scoop to the heart.
As to Miles in Hard Time, you're right- we didn't spoil it for you. This was an incredible performance by Colm Meany- who is fantastic in everything he's in (including Stargate Atlantis!). Thank goodness he had Keiko and Molly there. Isn't Molly freaking adorable?
I will say one thing. Each "Torture O'Brien episode" is more difficult than the last.
Yeah, really. BWHAHAHA!!!!
Somehow I always forget about this mirror episode. It definitely feels more emotionally valuable than the others, that's some real stuff the Siskos go through :(
I think I really just find mirror Worf and Garak to be so much less interesting than their non-mirror versions, it puts me off. Like, enough with the excuses for the cast to be bad actors haha. Garak already hams it up in a GOOD way as his usual self!
@@jerodast I like seeing Worf as an almost Flash Gordon level bad guy!
"...Colm Meany- who is fantastic in everything he's in (including Stargate Atlantis!)"
ESPECIALLY Stargate Atlantis !
For those interested, the episodes are
S1 E07 "Underground"
and
S2 E17 "Coup D'Etat"
@@MrDeathpilot and the movie Layer Cake!
I'm still not sure I like "Brawling, Basher Bashir", but he did come in clutch in this episode, so I'll give him as pass for now. I wonder if prime universe Dax knows about Sisko's little hook-up with mirror universe Dax?
It does seem almost dishonest not to tell her. And their friendship seems like it could handle it just fine. But I don't think there's any reference to it.
Are you sure the Goa'uld Dax symbiote is implanted in Evil Jadzia?
Later in the series....
Well, I will not talk about anything too specific to avoid spoilers, but later in the show, something happens in the Evil Universe that makes me think Evil Jadzia is not possessed by Evil Dax.
In the mirror universe, there's a good chance the Dax symbiont could have been killed long before Jadzia was born. It's highly unlikely that mirror Dax is a joined Trill....however, weirder things have happened in bizarro-world. (V.F.)
QUESTION: Do they call her Dax or just Jadzia? 🤔
There's your answer.
@@MrDeathpilot Interesting, I don't remember.
@@TheNoiseySpectator Me neither! 😂
...but I'm sure someone will tell us.
how does alternate Dax look even hotter than the regular one?
27:38 Tim Allen ?
Is O'brien suffering? ( mark the correct choice )
[ ] Yes of course
[ ] No? What do you mean no? He absolutely is
_Deep Space Nine_ is known for adding shades of gray, questioning ideals, and otherwise complicating the moral clarity presented by _TNG._ But there is one principle that cannot be compromised, indeed that the entire Star Trek universe is founded on: O'Brien must suffer.
The mirror universe: I could never get into these at all. One off visit is fun, but I couldn't care less what's going on over there.
Hard Time: torture O'Brien episodes are a DS9 staple and generally kind of fun, but this one is seriously depressing. No desire ever to rewatch.
I actually wish they had gone darker with hard times, this could easily of been a two parter, and they could of really explored the depression aspect of o brien must suffer
Great episode
I do agree that the episode could have been even darker and even been a two parter but I feel any darker and it wouldn't have felt like DS9 anymore if that makes sense!
@RolyPolyOllieReactions yeah makes total sense, I guess it's a fine line, could of really hit home the social commentary a lot more with a slower pace, was a huge storyline to fit into 45 mins imho.
Either way
O'brien must suffer, again.
I'm not sure a two-parter would've helped it really. The biggest problem with the current version is "episode's over, so that's all wrapped up now". I feel like adding a second part would've just extended that to "okay, second part's over so NOW it's all wrapped up." They really needed the ability to just include writing about this aspect of the character for a whole seasons or so for it to work in that "long-term consequences aspect", and theses shows are just not designed to be produced and written that way.
Sisko also wants to be a family again. RESISTING!
Ahhh... Two classic DS9 archetype episodes... Mirror universe and O'Brien suffers
In my view, what Obrien went through is what we all go through in this life, years go by but when free of this plane of existence, where we are really from time has no meaning.
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This is the last DS9 mirror universe episode that I really liked.
Hard Time was a good episode but I still don't care for it. The reason is it does what FAR TOO MANY Trek episodes do. It gives us a compelling story that should have permanent repercussions forever, and then it's never talked about again making the whole thing meaningless.
Shattered Mirror.. Another fluff episode.
Fun fact, some people want to make what happens in Hard Time a reality, Scary to think about
Hard Time: Most people when you mention star trek groan (star wars is better) or think geek, without knowing it brings excellent episodes such as this one.They are missing out!
Imagine being in prison for 20 years, then you come home and realise you still have a lifetime the spend with Keiko... Poor O'Brien!
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