A Brief History of Worf Being a (Mostly) Terrible Father

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  • @ermixonscraziesttheories
    @ermixonscraziesttheories หลายเดือนก่อน +198

    You forgot that when he went to DS9 Worf pretended his son didn't even exist, cut off almost all communications with him and never mentioned him to any of his friends, not even Martok, whose family Worf joined. Even Martok thought that was messed up.

    • @skittles7306
      @skittles7306 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Why you bringing up the past?😂😂😂

    • @pjlusk7774
      @pjlusk7774 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      If I’ve learned nothing else from playing D&D, it’s that its rude to ask a character about their backstory

    • @chazblank2717
      @chazblank2717 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      The thing about Worf’s parenting style that Steve sorta touched on was that it’s woefully inconsistent and perpetually on the back foot… Jadzia is probably the only person who ever calls him out on it directly, but Worf is only so intense about traditional Klingon values because he grew up so completely alienated from them. He’s a single dad making up for his lack of preparation, relevant social or cultural experiences and role models, by studying Klingon scripture obsessively and making hollow appeals to a traditional way of living he’s only read about.
      That’s why Worf needs kinda ridiculous things like for his Starfleet friends to torture him every once in a while. And yeah it was kinda honestly the healthiest decision he made to send this kid away so he didn’t end up even more fucked up. Alexander despite his unconventional attitudes and upbringing is probably a way more socially well adjusted Klingon than his dad, because they were both figuring that stuff out together. Kira implied Worf was kinda being a fancy lad about his and Dax’ wedding… just a reminder that when it comes to autistic representation in Star Trek, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel 😂

    • @Sephirothwolf
      @Sephirothwolf หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Well, Worf was discommended again by Gowron so I see the logic from a Klingon perspective ("I've brought shame to my name so he has no father" rather than "I have no son") i mean that could have been worse, just remember what happened to Kurn.

    • @1D991
      @1D991 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He does not discuss it with outsiders

  • @SuperGorak
    @SuperGorak หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    I imagine Worf's parents explaining to Alexander why he abandoned him:
    "Well, Darling, your father is cripplingly insecure about his worth and identity as a Klingon. Your father has a tendency to forgo.... reason in order to fit in with Klingon ideals. He is incapable of seeing you for who you are because in Klingon tradition, one's family is seen as an extension of the self. On Earth, we call this enmeshment and it is really unhealthy. He was afraid that other Klingons would see him as defective, because, well, he sees you as defective..... at least as a Klingon. And now he spends his days as a token minority for a bald french captain, who time and time excuses your dad's worst behavior, who has him around as a pet project for the validation of his own ideals. Valid ideals, but a pet project nonetheless..."

    • @marmac83
      @marmac83 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Oof

    • @eliwhite2214
      @eliwhite2214 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      daaamnn

    • @hayuseen6683
      @hayuseen6683 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Worf is going to need weeks to recover from those sick plasma burns

    • @TheRatsintheWalls
      @TheRatsintheWalls 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Perfectly phrased.

  • @monicaenns9967
    @monicaenns9967 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Wait, Alexander went back in time to change his childhood to save his dad? Just go back a few extra years and save your mom!!

    • @cheddarssalad1230
      @cheddarssalad1230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or go back to the day before your dad is murdered and stop it.

    • @genlando327plays2
      @genlando327plays2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Except the supportive parent would have recognized her son. Lol

    • @SpikeTheNeuropsych
      @SpikeTheNeuropsych 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it’s not a perfect world is it?

    • @koshi6505
      @koshi6505 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      A real Klingon would've gone back in time and killed Duras to prevent their mother's murder. Alexander always has to disappoint, even when he's a time traveler.

  • @samlynn1652
    @samlynn1652 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Seeing someone talk about Sisko and Jake... Imagine the story potential of Sisko teaching Worf to be a better father.

    • @JRMcCarroll
      @JRMcCarroll 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yes. I seriously think Alexander coming to DS9 with Worf could have worked well.

  • @kvoltti
    @kvoltti หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    We can all agree Alexander was a missed opertunity in DS9. Oh for the wprld where Jake and Nog and Alexander were the three musketeers of the promenade

    • @cheddarssalad1230
      @cheddarssalad1230 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Now I’m trying to imagine Alexander’s part in the baseball card episode or the double date story. I feel the joke for the latter is that Alexander is bafflingly good at dating.

    • @vex7550
      @vex7550 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      yesss

    • @zenosAnalytic
      @zenosAnalytic หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      this would have been great. And it'd have also been cool if they'd used the opportunity to explore him becoming a diplomat; like, showing him having good people skills, and being interested in different cultures, and working through whatever diplomatic coursework the Fed offers, like Jake did with journalism. Given Dax's history, and how they could have been a sort of mentor for him in this, it was a real missed opportunity(and would have been a better In for Worf/Jadzia than the canon explanation, imo).

    • @harpyspeaks
      @harpyspeaks หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Be the fanfiction you want to see in the world

    • @hayuseen6683
      @hayuseen6683 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They would start an intergalactic war, but I'd totally watch that timeline

  • @speeta
    @speeta หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    The core problem with Alexander is, no one seemed to know what to do with him, least of all the young actor tasked with playing him. That said, I have a soft spot for "Cost of Living", where he forms a relationship with the other recurring character you don't like.

    • @ShesquatchPiney
      @ShesquatchPiney หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      SAME. I had funky parents myself and being around adults like Lwarxana once in awhile was a freaking godsend

    • @annagiesking5828
      @annagiesking5828 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      There's a kind of honesty in that, though. Worf himself didn't know what to do with him or have a plan as a parent, so his child's life is a chaotic jumble of decisions made in the moment. Kinda real.

    • @imjustsam1745
      @imjustsam1745 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@annagiesking5828I'm honestly jealous. Seems so much better than controlling over involved parents.

    • @mysticmarble94
      @mysticmarble94 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      From what I read, the original actor was actually kind of sad that he wasn't asked back to play him again after several episodes due to him being too small compared to what the story progression had required.

    • @bigmalletman9453
      @bigmalletman9453 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      "Wow... Star Trek really doesn't know what to do with child characters"
      and then they give us the relationship of Cmdr and Jake Sisko, and you're like... oh... they do... if they actually try...

  • @johnpowers3182
    @johnpowers3182 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    One thing you didn't mention from "A Fistful of Data's" that adds to Worf not being a great father, was that at the beginning of the episode he was trying to get Picard to assign him more work to do so that he didn't have to go to the holodeck at all to play with Alexander, he only reluctantly agreed to go to the holodeck when Picard wouldn't assign him any extra work

  • @johnwatson75
    @johnwatson75 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Memory wiped Kurn: Are you part of my family?
    Worf: I have no family.
    Alexander: DUDE! C'MON!

  • @rinkuraku5251
    @rinkuraku5251 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "The Enterprise is too dangerous for a child. I will send my son to live with my adoptive parents on Earth."
    "You mean the planet that has faced total destruction every few weeks for the past two centuries, that we have personally had to intervene to save on multiple occasions? That Earth?"
    "Yes."

  • @DutchLabrat
    @DutchLabrat หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    I always liked how Worf was written this way, there is wisdom in this. He grew up as an orphan in a society that did not really understand or accept him, this is exactly how people with bad attachment are created!! Add to this that he was never given the option to bond with his son at the age where that would be the strongest and you get a father who could just not deal.
    Alexander and Worf never had a change to create a good relationship going.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I'm just imagining Kirayoshi growing up and meeting Alexander and telling him what an amazing godfather, babysitter and role model Worf was and Alexander just getting a faraway look in his eyes...

    • @douglaswolfen7820
      @douglaswolfen7820 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@GSBarlevgung-gung-gung!

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GSBarlev god yes exactly. I think about that every time he says, with such love in his voice, "I never got to see _my_ son at this age" about Kirayoshi...

  • @3182john
    @3182john หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    You should’ve saved this video to post on Father’s Day, lol

  • @ardra2581
    @ardra2581 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    The real question is whether Worf was worse as a father, brother, or spouse.

    • @lakegroce685
      @lakegroce685 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You are asking the real questions

    • @lakegroce685
      @lakegroce685 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I vote brother

    • @skeetsmcgrew3282
      @skeetsmcgrew3282 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      His job is security chief and his wife died of murder on his watch. He's definitely worst as a husband

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes.

    • @HermanVonPetri
      @HermanVonPetri หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Or as a son.
      Don't forget that Worf agreed to have his father be posthumously branded a traitor to the Klingon Empire for conspiring with the Romulans when he knew it wasn't true. All for political expediency. It took him years to finally get around to correcting the record.

  • @cfltheman
    @cfltheman หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    To be fair Dukat had the title of being the worst father.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Idk-aside from the whole initial trying-to-murder-her thing, he did give up his career to be a father to her. And don't forget her death _literally shattered_ his sanity.

    • @SunnyMorningPancakes
      @SunnyMorningPancakes หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      But he had other children who he completely abandoned in pursuit of that relationship. And also destroyed her life in the process.
      I say this as a Dukat fan.

    • @DawnDavidson
      @DawnDavidson หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ⁠​⁠@@GSBarlevyeah, I’m with SunnyMorningPancakes: I think Dukat was more obsessed than he was a good parent. He always came off as very creepy to me. (Yeah, yeah, he’s “not bad … just drawn that way!” 😂)

  • @stepheng1523
    @stepheng1523 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    "Accept them as the underwhelming misfire that they are" this whole script is hilarious

  • @allendean9807
    @allendean9807 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    The writers never knew what to do with Alexander. It was unfortunate, because abuse they figured it out with DS9. Jake and Ben Sisko had great, well written interactions. But Worf and Alexander? What a mess…

    • @leokim2998
      @leokim2998 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      TNG writers left them too much of a mess. There are somethings even the Prophets can't fix.

  • @DawnDavidson
    @DawnDavidson หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    “How would the son even exist, if the father didn’t come at some point?” 😂🤣🤣 Fortunately, I wasn’t drinking anything when you dropped that little bomb!

  • @happyninja42
    @happyninja42 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    If Worf wasn't a main character in an already established show, that fans love, his actions regarding Alexander would put him squarely in the "Mean parent antagonist" in any story where the protagonist was the child. So yeah, Word was not a very good dad based on in-universe actions.

  • @Farren246
    @Farren246 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Yeah, the TNG writers had a serious case of the Voyagers when it came to Alexander episodes. They just kept on making the same character growth moments, ignoring the fact it had already happened.

  • @AndrewD8Red
    @AndrewD8Red หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    I think it was a really neat character choice on DS9 to randomly introduce that Worf had a son... and a son with a backstory, too!
    Shame they didn't think to introduce him earlier, he could have been on TNG.

  • @EricFarwell-gh9pw
    @EricFarwell-gh9pw หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    For some reason I picture Alex becoming a drummer and then living a happy life from then on, backing the singers who bellow "Maloh-oh-ta!"

  • @AndrewSanjanwala
    @AndrewSanjanwala หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I hear Alexander’s favorite candies are circus peanuts. He really is the worst.

    • @skeetsmcgrew3282
      @skeetsmcgrew3282 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      His favorite Star Wars character is Jar Jar Binks

    • @stepheng1523
      @stepheng1523 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jesus christ lol

    • @kevinkeeney9418
      @kevinkeeney9418 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I read that as "candles" which only made it worse.

    • @HermanVonPetri
      @HermanVonPetri หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hear he's always going on about how great the "Fantastic Four" film adaptations are.

    • @jameshagan2832
      @jameshagan2832 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kevinkeeney9418same, wad about to crack a joke at OP's expense. Glad you pointed this out 1st lol.

  • @colinleat8309
    @colinleat8309 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I happen to like Lwaxanna! 🤣. Alexander must have an EPIC fear of abandonedment. It would be nice to think he survived the Dominion war and develop a lasting relationship with Worf.

  • @FordLancer
    @FordLancer หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    First Born is one of my favorite TNG episodes. I like the story that an older Alexander loved his father so much that he was willing to change the past even though that could mean he might cease to exist in his present. His grief at losing his father and wanting his past self to be more in order to protect his father is a very emotional moment for his character that it was first time when the series was airing that I changed my view on Alexander.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'd gladly do the same, and go back in time to protect my past self and family from trauma. But that would probably require cutting the brake lines of my bio-father's car or something similar...

    • @johnboren8928
      @johnboren8928 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought the similar Jake Sisko episode was much better. OTOH, we knew far more about him and had some level of emotional attachment to his character. But the basic plot in the DS9 story does seem repetitive to this TNG episode I don't remember seeing.

  • @rmeddy
    @rmeddy หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I really felt it was a missed opportunity that Alexander wasn't a regular or semi-regular on DS9. They could've done a lot with that dynamic.

  • @ScottLuvsRenFaires
    @ScottLuvsRenFaires หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    My son, the TV network executive...NO! NO! NO!!! Not even Worf deserves such shame and humiliation.

    • @motorcycleboy9000
      @motorcycleboy9000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Dad, I want to be a lawyer."
      "Ha'DlbaH!!"

  • @deanthemachine7489
    @deanthemachine7489 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Little Alexander worked best as an adorable Baby Yoda sight gag standing beside 6’3” Michael Dorn. It has the same funny energy as when 6’9” James Worthy played Koral and they kept blocking him towering over Worf in Season 7

  • @ladyaceina
    @ladyaceina หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    related but something that bugs me is we never see his adopted parents in DS9

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You gonna ask Rabbi Koslov (aka Uncle Yossel) to shlep all the way to _Deep Space Nine_ when he just made the trip to _Babylon 5_ to see his Susitchka?! _Oy, vey._

  • @Super_Middleman
    @Super_Middleman หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    People keep blowing past how messed up it was for Alexander‘s mother to keep him away from Worf during his infancy. Worf never had a chance to bond with his baby, and in my opinion that’s why they never quite click as father and son.

  • @OsirisMalkovich
    @OsirisMalkovich หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If Worf had just let Alexander have the surgeries Darvin had from _The Trouble With Tribbles_ Alexander could have lived out his days on earth as just a surprisingly strong human, but Worf couldn't let go of his trans(species)phobia.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Amazing interpretation! Alexander would probably have been far happier as a human.

  • @erikkennedy8725
    @erikkennedy8725 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This reminds me of just how absolutely amazing Bortus- the Worf expy on The Orville- was as a father to his child, Topa. Such a contrast.

  • @ThePendragon1998
    @ThePendragon1998 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I really think that most of Worf's problems as a father were more about the behind the scenes issues - bad writing and bad casting. Worf, as a character, had his rough edges, but his sense of honor and duty should really have led him to work exceptionally hard at being the best father he could possibly be, including studying about how to improve. He should have bonded with Alexander over both being, essentially, orphans, and over Worf's need to protect and provide security to his fellow people. It certainly didn't help that an 18-24 month child was portrayed as a five year old. Worf could have done much better at bonding with a toddler (he even said on DS9 that he regretted not experiencing Alexander's baby years). The writers just took the easy road and created stupid 'awkward dad' tropes for lols and hired poor child actors.
    Lower Decks got it right when Shax said: "We are in charge of protecting the crew. Sometimes that means grappling with enemy invaders, other times it means protecting your emotional wellbeing.
    Either way, security has your back." That is the approach Worf could have taken with parenthood. If he had trouble finding his way to that, Deanna could have gotten him there pretty easily.

    • @nealjroberts4050
      @nealjroberts4050 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The concept of counsellors as part of security really should be explored!

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    THE HIGHER
    THE FEWER

  • @tomatoisjp
    @tomatoisjp หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The biggest frustration with how Alexander was handled was with ds9. That show had such a good handle on fatherhood, and it would have added an extra layer by having Alexander contrasted against Jake and Nog. It also would have given both some additional story potential, shaking up the established jake/nog dynamic.
    Ex. Alexander shows up and is... well, Alexander, so Nog and Jake are ambivalent to him, but there's pressure from Sisko (possibly Quark also, because business stuff) to make Alexander feel welcome, and theres drama until Alexander proves himself... somehow. Maybe one of the boys (jake or nog) bonds with Alexander in a later episode, and it makes the other jealous somehow. Etc. Etc.

  • @TheForhekset
    @TheForhekset หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was always happy to see Alexander because that meant a worf episode. Alexander is a good foil to Worf. And I related to Alexander because my father parented in the same hard ass fashion.

  • @andrewklang809
    @andrewklang809 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Commander, not only did Alexander fail to carry out any order he was given, he got trapped in a corridor on the way out."

  • @ThatElfNerd
    @ThatElfNerd หลายเดือนก่อน

    "How would the son even exist if the father didn't *come* at some point." is an underrated joke.

  • @charlesreid9337
    @charlesreid9337 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The writing of their relationship is among the best riding in the show I think. It shows one of our favorite characters is a really bad father. It is not intentional and he does try.. but he is a bad father. And that severely traumatized his son. That is the definition of good writing. When the characters are real people.
    Also block Santa was a fantastic grandmother to him. She helped him when no one else would especially his father

  • @dandeckr
    @dandeckr หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Worf-is-worst-space-dad memes will never get old.

  • @LibraGamesUnlimited
    @LibraGamesUnlimited 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In real life, all that shuffling the kid around would be worthy of them appearing on an 80s/90s daytime talk show. :)

  • @itsOasus
    @itsOasus หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was gonna mention CEO of a television company myself. Looking at YOU, David Zaslav...

    • @ShesquatchPiney
      @ShesquatchPiney หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Zaslav is such a ghoul. Rip Wile E Coyote versus Acme

    • @itsOasus
      @itsOasus หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ShesquatchPiney how he hasn't been fired yet is beyond me

  • @pfreelantz
    @pfreelantz หลายเดือนก่อน

    He does do a really good job with the "I'm a dangerous person on a ship at the ass end of the galaxy in dangerous situations. WTF am I going to do with a kid?" struggle :D

  • @digitalsparky
    @digitalsparky หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "except Tilly" ... yup, Tilly's fucking awesome

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Literally perfect. Supreme being.

  • @tayzonday
    @tayzonday 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I REALLY wish they had kept Brian Bonsall playing Alexander in Deep Space Nine. He was sixteen (born 1981, episodes filmed 1997) so the perfect age. I suspect Brian was too high-cost and Rick Berman didn’t want to do that for somewhat “bottle” (lower budget/existing set) episodes. Brian brought the K’Ehleyr spunk and truly seemed like her son.

  • @windgraceproject
    @windgraceproject หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    At least Worf didn't send Alexander off to follow the Borg. Not that any parent would do such a thing.

  • @sirB0nes
    @sirB0nes หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Honestly, Martok doesn't have much room to dispense parenting advice either. We only meet his son Drex and that son only appears in one episode ("The Way of The Warrior"), but everything we do see indicates that he's kind of a shitbag. At their first meeting, Worf even tells Martok to his face that his son is without honor.
    Spoiler:
    For the record, that probably isn't the real Martok, but that doesn't affect my point.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh, I forgot Drex had a canon appearance! Isn't he also a piece of shit villain in _Star Trek Online?_

  • @-zhedley
    @-zhedley หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    15:22 I’m definitely having normal, not-sad reactions to this silly part of a video about worf from star trek on father’s day week

  • @baronOdaighre
    @baronOdaighre หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In the study of sexual reproduction, there's the idea of K-selection (fewer offspring, more parental care) vs r-selection (more offspring, less parental care). I think Klingons are supposed to be quite a bit further down towards the r-selection side of that spectrum than humans, and this is where I feel Worf really gets the shortest end of the stick of being stuck between the human and Klingon worlds, he's trying to do the best of both and ends up doing the worst of either.

    • @thing_under_the_stairs
      @thing_under_the_stairs หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Worst Of Both Worlds?

    • @FiXato
      @FiXato หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@thing_under_the_stairsWorfest of both Worlds

  • @TheloniusMUnk-DrUnkPhD-
    @TheloniusMUnk-DrUnkPhD- หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Grew up with a cross cultural family and a dad I didn’t get to see often. I always identified with Alexander trying to exist in between two different cultures and identities and the expectations of a proud, father who wanted his son to know and be proud of a culture that his son is a part of…
    that said, at least my dad wanted to be a part of my life and didn’t make it seem that I was a burden.
    I always feel better knowing my dad tried harder than Worf did.
    I will say that Worf accepting his son for who he is in common. But still being there is kinda an important piece of the whole, being a decent parent thing.

  • @selfsamesynonym1084
    @selfsamesynonym1084 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Worf didn't just send Alexander off at least 2 times, he kinda ghosted him for years. In Sons and Daughters, Alexander says how Worf hadn't tried to see or talk to him in 5 years, which since Firstborn was ~3.5 years earlier (end of TNG S7 to start of DS9 S6), either Alexander is rounding up for dramatic effect, he's really really bad at math, or Worf wasn't just disdainful and uninterested in Alexander when they were both on the Enterprise but was trying to pretend that he didn't even exist
    And then Worf joined another house and apparently didn't even leave Alexander a voicemail saying something like "hey just so you know, I ended the House of Mogh and I'm part of the House of Martok now. You've got to come meet my new cool dad and do a rite to join his house"

  • @LibraGamesUnlimited
    @LibraGamesUnlimited 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That holodeck is the real monster of the whole series. How has that thing not been recalled already? Do they not have a Ralph Nader guy in the future?

  • @kurathchibicrystalkitty5146
    @kurathchibicrystalkitty5146 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like Worf when he's not trying to form relationships with people. 😅 I wish could've got to see Alexander getting into shenanigans with Jake and Nog.

  • @KoRntech
    @KoRntech หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    00:44 lol I mean that is how it works

  • @FailSonOfAnarchy
    @FailSonOfAnarchy หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How about that time Worf adopted that kid in "The Bonding" and we never saw him again?

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    In Klingon society, Sons raise their fathers.

  • @charlesacker9174
    @charlesacker9174 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    On the chicken and the egg joke, based on your delivery this was totally missed by you but it was hilarious to me.
    "How would the son exist if the father didn't come at some point"

  • @steveng.clinard1766
    @steveng.clinard1766 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    As a child of a TNG regular, should we not expect Alexander to join the crew of the Enterprise -G on ST: Legacy, alongside Geordi's daughter and David Marcus?
    Gonna be epic.
    #igotsthemot

    • @jamchiroptera4258
      @jamchiroptera4258 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who knows, maybe Naomi can fix him

    • @YourMajesty_the_H
      @YourMajesty_the_H หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whose child?sorry, i want to, but cant underwtand ur comment,help?

    • @nealjroberts4050
      @nealjroberts4050 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As the bartender!

  • @disky01
    @disky01 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a dud myself I appreciate this piece for allowing me to offload some of my self-loathing onto my parents for a welcome change of pace.

  • @GeekFilter
    @GeekFilter หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    So Worf was raised by the Rozhenkos and he’s kind of a bad parent and Alexander is kind of a bad kid…I think we’re ignoring the common thread: The Rozhenkos!

    • @skeetsmcgrew3282
      @skeetsmcgrew3282 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Lol, I think the general idea was that the Rozhenkos were good people and good parents but Worf was to deeply Klingon to be changed. His adoptive brother seemed like a brilliant, driven man with strong morals and stronger opinions. Warf just wasn't a good fit there

    • @GeekFilter
      @GeekFilter หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@skeetsmcgrew3282 it was more of a joke I’m sure they are lovely people! They seemed like cool grandparents!

    • @johnboren8928
      @johnboren8928 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've known a white family who adopted Black kids and another white family who adopted Native American kids. In both cases this caused the kids identity problems, but of course OTOH they at least had adoptive parents and not foster parents, which sometimes works and other times is just a series of brief placements. IOW, parents may have good intentions but even humans have problems with mixed cultural families. And no one knows what would have happened to the kids if the two families I knew hadn't adopted.

    • @pong9000
      @pong9000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Guinan proved the Rozhenkos' overcompensation to what is stereotypically Klingon stifled Worf's individuality. Only Worf perceives that prune juice is a warrior's drink.

  • @Cwjfreyer
    @Cwjfreyer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful Father's Day episode. Love it

  • @tupe444
    @tupe444 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And then after Alexander went rogue and there was an epic fight, Worf promised not to abandon him ever again. Only to abandon him again to go on adventures on the Defiant, while Alexander gets swooped into an alternate reality by Qj

  • @SomeRandomG33k
    @SomeRandomG33k หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Wait, Worf has a son? Wow, I never knew..... Now, I am not surprised." :P

  • @Alessandro-B
    @Alessandro-B หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Something like a TV network executive, or the CEO of a tech company", 😅🤣😂

  • @Chris_Blanchette
    @Chris_Blanchette หลายเดือนก่อน

    One striking detail I always return to in the Worf/Alexander relationship is how they collectively deal with K'ehleyr's death. Worf tells his son not to turn away from death and see it for himself. This can easily be seen as an invitation for trauma. I see it as a sense of pragmatism. Ordinarily, when young children experience the death of a loved one, it's a case of explaining that person's absence. This gives Alexander the opportunity to see and understand the reality of death and to feel what he needs to feel. The problem with this is that Worf fails to understand that they need to follow through on this loss together. They started on the right foot, more or less, but don't continue on that path. This isn't his ultimate misstep, but definitely an interesting highlight of good character combined with misguided assumptions.

  • @stewartthorpe2533
    @stewartthorpe2533 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saw title. Laughed immediately. Playing immediately

  • @Sheriff_Bruce_Lee
    @Sheriff_Bruce_Lee หลายเดือนก่อน

    "How would the son even exist if the father didn't come at some point?" I see what you did there(?)

  • @augiegirl1
    @augiegirl1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    16:54 I thought you were going to say “an engineer”, since your previous statement essentially is how Rom is frequently described (& he was able to repair that plasma leak).

  • @mikepavlik3159
    @mikepavlik3159 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great Father's day episode!!!

  • @gothatfunk
    @gothatfunk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder if Worf would have been a better father if it had been his intention to have a kid.(?)
    Also, you touch on something in this video that is (or had been) a complaint of mine about Voyager:
    Naomi Wildman, born on the ship deep into season 2, who grows up way faster than normal, (although never referenced, I assume because she's half Kitarian) - seems to be a very well balanced and well behaved kid.
    If they paid any attention, the writers ought to have acknowledged that she would be the most traumatised person in the Federation. This ship faces existential threat in at least ten episodes after she is born (her complete absence from Year of Hell, is telling).
    You could argue that even the less serious battles Voyager engages in would also be severely traumatising for a developing child.
    Plus, in Scientific Method, aliens do medical experiments on the entire crew - and they would have certainly taken advantage of the opportunity to do something twisted and fucked up to a child, since one assumes small kids in space would be relatively rare.

  • @a35362
    @a35362 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I dimly recall reading an interview with one of the writers / producers when Alexander was introduced. He expressed his doubts about the viability of the "Worf is a father" storyline, something like, "I figure when Klingon kids misbehave, their parents just eat 'em." The idea of Worf and Alexander going to family therapy with Counselor Troi seemed to be a betrayal of the established parameters of what Klingons are supposed to be, not modern day (well, '90s) touchy-feely child-rearing tropes.

  • @joehopfield
    @joehopfield หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a parent this made me laugh so hard. One of your best.

  • @moo5613
    @moo5613 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    fellow tilly enjoyer lets gooo

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev หลายเดือนก่อน

      She is literally perfect. I'm so grateful Mary Wiseman came back for _Discovery_ S05 and that the show gave her some crowning moments of awesome.

  • @adamoune1
    @adamoune1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s interesting that Brian was used as a “cute” new character on two established series. He was Cousin Oliver twice!

  • @Dan-qx8sn
    @Dan-qx8sn หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just realized worf might be afraid of the song roll out the barrel.

  • @Peaceforall20111
    @Peaceforall20111 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do agree that sending
    Alexander to live with his parents was the best thing he could’ve done for him because he gave him more of a stable home, but he did it for the wrong reason and he did it with bad intent (because he didn’t want him to be a bother) so yes, it was the best thing for him, but he didn’t do it for the right reasons which means he doesn’t get credit for that

  • @pjlusk7774
    @pjlusk7774 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact that the Enterprise-a ship that is in deep space and is expected to see combat semi-frequently- is absolutely buckwild.

  • @Brahmsonite
    @Brahmsonite หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's really too bad they didn't let us see Alexander in season 3 of Picard. I imagine it would have gone similarly to Echeb's big cameo. Except instead of wondering what he did to deserve fridging in such a barbarous manner the audience would have been fully onboard.

  • @danieltilson4053
    @danieltilson4053 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Worf is actually a great dad in "Fist Full of Datas."

  • @alarcon99
    @alarcon99 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *how WOULD THE SON EVEN EXIST IF THE FATHER DIDN’T come at some point* 😏🤭 Your double entendre is not lost on me, good sir. 👍🏼

  • @mafmaf82
    @mafmaf82 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let's not forget about that other boy that he swore to protect and be a brother to after he got his mom killed in an away mission, then never heard from again. Why weren't his kid and Alexander friends?

  • @Jcewazhere
    @Jcewazhere หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ensign Killy is awesome.
    1000th like.
    Not only is it safer with the Rojenkos, but it's also clear they're good parents given how Worf turned out.

  • @justinb2824
    @justinb2824 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Worf has complex psychological issues from being orphaned by violence and then having his father being accused of treason which stains him as well. He's traumatized and that definitely got passed down to his son the same as it does in humanity.

  • @thebigdork8030
    @thebigdork8030 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The background aand yelling at the start reminded me of the Angry Joe show lol.

  • @bonefactory1393
    @bonefactory1393 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you read the current IDW Comics, Alexander becomes part of the Kahless clone's God murder cult where he is an enemy of Worf...sooooo a happy well rounded family

  • @DrewLSsix
    @DrewLSsix หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So, new theory on what happened with the Enterprise E, Worf allows Alexander to fly the ship as a sign of his trust in the kid, and he pushed a button that somehow blew a bunch of shit up and crippled the ship.

  • @jennivamp5
    @jennivamp5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whilst it was an arguably more responsible move to have Alexander go live on earth with his grandparents than have him permanently live on the enterprise, Worf should have gone with him to get to know him, settle him with his grandparents and help him through his mother's death.

  • @Alexander_Stern1
    @Alexander_Stern1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “First Born” was the TNG episode that aired on my wedding day! My wife and I watched it in the hotel room with our friends after the reception (we had a noon wedding so the reception was a luncheon).

  • @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
    @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just summarized "New Ground" as part of a project I'm doing...the end always felt like Worf saying "Ok, you can stay on the ship...either I learned something, or we need a Cousin Oliver."

  • @McFlingleson
    @McFlingleson หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't have kids and have never particularly wanted them, but I always imagined if I did have them I'd have a lot of the same shortcomings as a father that Worf did, so Worf being a bad father always made him a more sympathetic character to me.

  • @ginomo80
    @ginomo80 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Worf is my favorite character and I recognize what a horrible father he was. And you’re right- it’s only because of narrative expediency. They didn’t even mention the poor kid in Picard when Worf was listing all his allegiances and when everyone else was talking about their kids.

  • @MrCommunistGen
    @MrCommunistGen หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    00:48 🤣
    1:25 - So, you're saying you're going to address the Sins of the Father? Got it.
    7:50 - I know that it kills the story potential, but in-universe I feel like the engineers would have gotten this to fail safe. Like route the main EPS conduits for the holodeck power grid through the safety protocol controller or somesuch. If the controller goes down it cuts power to the holodeck.

  • @treewizard2502
    @treewizard2502 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The idea of an emotionally illiterate father is a thing and an opportunity for a character arch. It was just never resolved

  • @immoloism
    @immoloism หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I clicked to laugh at Wolf but now I'm wondering if my own parenting skills are the joke.... Oh well nothing a bit of warrior training won't fix.

  • @reyperry2605
    @reyperry2605 หลายเดือนก่อน

    French in the original Klingon? THAT'S how you do fan service, with a Trek III drive by.

  • @larsfrommars1378
    @larsfrommars1378 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That intro was funny af 😂

  • @MrChupacabra555
    @MrChupacabra555 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Star Trek Online (Non Canon, of course) as I recall Alexander ends up on Rura Pente for some reason, although he once again hides his identity from Ambassador Worf, and at the end of that particular 'Adventure' he sacrifices his life to save Worf.
    This is all from memory. I would post a link to the STO Wiki, but I hear that youtube auto deletes any replies with links, so just google it to find it yourself.

  • @rory_pond1701
    @rory_pond1701 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The inciting incident in all of Worf's and Alexander's horrible parent/child relationship is the loss of K'Ehleyr. Ronald D. Moore attributed the decision to kill her off to exec producer Michael Piller, who thought fridging her would be the best motivation for Worf to kill Duras (because, clearly, being forced to sacrifice one's honor to preserve a traitor's role on the Klingon High Council wasn't motivating enough). Unfortunately, no thought was given to the effect this would have on Alexander, and thus we got the bad results of an even worse decision.
    Piller rightly gets the lion's share of credit for "fixing" TNG in the third season, but even he was capable of some bonehead calls, and this is IMO one of the absolute worst.

  • @mattparsons433
    @mattparsons433 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys let’s not forget Worf’s other son, Jeremy Aster - an orphaned child who he took under his wing then we never saw ever again!

  • @skittles7306
    @skittles7306 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Side note - Data was a SMOOTH CRIMINAL in that suit in a "Fistful of Datas" 😎😎😎

  • @agent_meister477
    @agent_meister477 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Regarding your T-shirt: there is a hyphen (-) missing between the 'NCC' and the '1701'.

  • @HandofOmega
    @HandofOmega หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe talking with Kaylar is where Beverly got her ideas about how to raise her son away from his father from...