well even if his talent of driving a race car wasnt supreme, you still have to admire his love of the sport. admitting that you are not gonna cut it as a driver(which must be difficult), but instead commiting to managing a team. especially if you think about the chances of rb ever beeing that successful at the start. he is undoubtly one of the guys that made rb so strong...
I think what helped Horner quite a lot as well, was that he quickly figured out how to play, use and abuse the media. which in turn, is a genius move again, as that draws in some sponsorships. Which equals more money, Which resulted in them being able to pay some pretty decent technical engineers and designers in the for of Adrian Newey. For about 10 million a year. Basically getting a highly uncompetetive Red Bull car into one of the most dominating ones in just 4 years.
If you suck for 20 years and you love a sport you retire from it. Doesnt matter who you are and in what sport. If you love the sport there is always a talent that deserve your spot if you suck.
Weird to think that Helmut Marko lending an old trailer to an unknown racer with team-leading aspirations led to two separate spells of domination in the highest form of racing.
7:35 It takes a real man to come to that conclusion rather than continuing to stroll around the track. Big respect and no wonder that guy had that amount of success.
Quite similar to Jose Mourinho in football - he realised quite early on that he didn't have what it takes to make it as a top professional player so switched to coaching, built up his experience and won the Champions League with Porto the same year he turned 40. He's also similar to Horner as they are both players of mind games and are divisive as hell amongst fans!
Agreed but to be fairly honest though, Horner had a more tragic career than him. Mourinho was on the right path with his career while Horner could've quitted RB. Red Bull seasons prior 2009 were absolutely terrible unless if you were to count 2006.
I could not care less if Horner is unpopular. I'm sure Ron Dennis and Jean Todt weren't all that popular either. In this sport, sucess seems to be positively correlated with unpopularity (after all, just look at how much people hate Max right now and how much people hated Vettel, Schumacher and Senna in their days).
People hate domination so it's natural. I also used to hate Vettel's dominance back then. He was a villain to be reckoned with, exactly what Schumacher and Senna were in the past. Or else, you could also see how much people hated Hamilton's dominance before 2016.
I think he’s more then made up for it,,taking a F3000 team from nothing to Championships.. and took an Energy drinks company and turned them into one of the most Successful teams in F1 history
@@snmhlrbased on what? They’re absolutely within the top 5 most successful teams of all time, purely based on dominance. When Red Bull gets ahead, they get WAY ahead.
@@Dasbulldoge In terms of constructor championships, they're 6th all time behind Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Mercedes, and Lotus. That might be why the above poster said they aren't top 5 all time.
@@jamesprumos7775 Okay but Ferrari's been in F1 since 1950, McLaren 1959, Williams 1969, Mecerdes 1954 and Lotus 1958 Red bull joined in 2004, 40-50 years after these teams.
@@snmhlr Yeah, since they started in 2005 they've _only_ managed 7 WDCs. That's one every 2.5 years. For Ferrari to get that success rate they'd need about 30 WDCs.
I saw bits of info about Horner's racing career through the documentary called "Gonchi La Película". I highly recommend searching that one up and watching it, as it covers the life of Gonzalo Rodríguez, an Uruguayan Formula 3000 driver, where Christian Horner talks about him as they raced together.
I know it's not related to the video but did anyone else hear the frustration in Martin Brundle's voice when Max overtook Carlos in the Italian GP. It was hilarious 😂.
@@maxmustermann4141so true. Just two years ago everyone cheered for max to overtake lewis. And even though nobody can imagine yet: the rb dominance will be over at some point in the future...
@@WisdomeSage1989then you’re not a true fan of the sport or of witnessing greatness. Enjoying the competition is so much more important than cheering on your favorite briton just because he’s British. Max and Lewis put on an incredible show in 2021, and Max is putting on a clinic this year. Whether you care about Max or not, we’re witnessing the birth of a GOAT.
Reminds me of a few years ago, during Covid, I would race against some friends in various games, arcade like NFS to Forza Horizon 4 to Sims like Assetto Corsa. I was sometimes quick enough to keep up, but will consistently lose to my friends, and sometimes get destroyed. After feeling very bad about myself for awhile, I accepted that I'm just not a good driver. Another friend later hosted "Team Principle Simulator". It was basically Dungeons and Dragons, with him as the Dungeon Master, and the Dungeon being F1. We would all manage teams, with me managing Renault. Timezones and studies meant I couldn't be present to make live strategic calls for my team. But I always give him a long list of different strategies based on scenarios that I anticipated, and that was when the entire DnD party forgot that I was the slowest driver among them.
Honestly, having an experience as a driver makes you naturally good at managing the race. But to pull it off into the results, you need both fast car and driver, or one of them which is the latter.
It's honestly insane that he could easily become the most decorated team principal of all time. I could see him still going into his 70s knowing Horner.
Excelent video, Horner is one of a number of people who had unsuccesful racing careers and ended up being great team managers. Andy Rouse in BTCC was a great driver and great engineer so a video on him would be cool if possible
It takes a lot of metal to just think, I’m not good enough and then retire. Many drivers in the lower formulas (Roy Nissany I’m being looking at you), stay for a very long time when they clearly just aren’t good enough to make the step up to F1
I really liked this video, quite a bit of insight into things I really didn't know, and it explains it even more why Horner truly loves the sport as much as he does and the passion he has for it. Besides, I think he deserves credit for recognizing his own limits and retiring when he did and not going full Mazepin, Stroll or Latifi. It takes a lot for someone to admit your limits like that.
The funny thing is he still took massive risks after recognizing his own limits as a driver. Also starting his own team and learning new skills running that team, so he can continue driving was incredible achievement.
@@mick8473 Yeah, absolutely, but it's just a shame that so many people just either don't care, or don't even know about any of it and just label him as something I really don't think he is in my opinion and deserves at least a lot more respect for his achievements.
Great video! The only complaint I have is that Christian is actually one of my favourite Team Principles (and I'm not even a RedBull fan lol), so I felt kinda offended at the start xdd
6:33 At least I admire that he risked it all to live his dream and make it…unlike some driver, who asked his dad to pay his way into F1 and then buy a team
@@oussamabendakir1453 Well I hear a lot of ppl talk shit about Toto nowadays and Helmut Marco when he says some stupid stuff but what are the kinds of things people dislike about Horner?
He is quite dislikeable in terms of personality, somewhat an ass but I wouldn't discredit his competence when it comes to managing teams. He once told Wolff to change his fucking car and we knew he said it to make up some scenes or dramas. So, nothing surprising, really.
@@kohikappu hmm okay, in the case of change ur car I think it was deserved. Mercedes knew how to stop the bouncing but didn't want to because they'd be slower, so instead they wanted everyone else to be regulated and slowed down with them. And ofcourse since redbull was fast without bouncing they demonstrated it was possible to have a fast car that didnt bounce so it was up to merc to "change their fucking car"
Horner: "It's a shame you're too old to have driven here really. You would have liked it.” Brundle: “I am too old, shame you weren't fast enough to get to Formula 1.”
Martin is so insecure. That wasn't even a quip at his age, it was Horner just expressing regret the track wasn't around in Martin's time. Martin took that as a dig and decided to be a jerk.
I’m not a massive fan of Christian or Toto but you have to admit they’ve both build great teams in the last ten years. And I think that’s the thing, while champions are borderline psychopaths, the bosses are just the same
My favorite line was when Christian Horner told Martin Brundle at Singapore a few years ago “”it’s a shame that you never won a race” in a friendly but somewhat mocking tone. Brundle replied without missing a beat “It’s a shame you weren’t fast enough to make it to formula 1”
Brundle's career was one of the most unlucky one, he was both fast and consistent. Somewhat reminds me of Quick Nick. Could've won a race in a very fast car.
To be honest, being a team principal is the hardest job in F1. A driver has to execute and help towards it. A team principal has to manage the entire team: multiple departments, profit/marketability, manage assets (drivers, engineers, raw materials), logistics, and the politics of F1.
And to think you have some that are under the impression that just because they have a ridiculous amount of money that they automatically can do ALL of that.
Interesting view on somebody his career! I think it is amazing that he had all those experiences and I hope that he can see the bigger picture and enjoyed the ride. 99% of the people would have loved those experiences. I had the pleasure to drive 2 races in the team where Max V and Charles L and Mike S races for. The result was not there and there where some reasons. 1 of them was a lack of talent! But I'm so grateful to have this experience in my life so it has been a success.
There's footage from... I think early 1990, where young Horner is standing next to a March 891 and talking about his hopes of getting in to F1; that March 891 being the second ever F1 car designed by a rising talent known as Adrian Newey.
😮became the team's youngest principal at the age of 31 and shared the stage with senior principals, both successful and intimidating such as Jean Todt, Ron Dennis, Flavio Briatore and the late Sir Frank Williams.. I can say he had guts and high self-confidence.. he could even convince Adrian Newey joined Red Bull... his experience as a driver, even though he failed, gave him experience that further matured his experience in the paddock...became the team's youngest principal at the age of 31 and shared the stage with senior principals, both successful and intimidating such as Jean Todt, Ron Dennis, Flavio Briatore and the late Sir Frank Williams.. I can say he had guts and high self-confidence.. he could even convince Adrian Newey joined Red Bull... his experience as a driver, even though he failed, gave him experience that further matured his experience in the paddock...
Don't forget in their early years Red Bull was seen as party team. Constantly having fun and took relaxed approach to F1. Then people took notice when Adrian Newey moved from McLaren
So Christian Horner raced alongside Zak Brown and Horner's racing lead him to be such a great team principal... McLaren domination 2026 calling it now.
Horner is just the greatest team principal on the grid. imho. If in some fantasy world someone came to you "build a F1 team, pick any person to be the team principal"... how do you not pick him..
Idk toto wolff has been very successful as well. It depends on what you look for, like for example if youre looking for a rowdy, loud, in your face leader, Horner is perfect. If you're looking for a more analytical, calm but still stern leader, then Toto would be preferable. But both are incredible starts for a team!
I may not *like* Horner a lot of time but I respect the hell out of him, and the reasons why I don't 'like' him are the reasons he's so good at his job and besides Tost, I think is the most experienced TP.
Toto Wolff, Christain Horner, and Zak Brown (although he's not a TP), all have similar stories. They didn't grow up filthy rich, decided to sacrifice a lot to fund their racing careers, realised they were better at managing than racing, and now have stakes in major racing teams.
Under Horner, redbull have shown consistent performance, and constant dramatic improvement. His team has also seen a lot of championship success both with Vettle and now Verstappen with the latter being the dominator of F1 today. The team is continuing to break more and more records, and will likely continue to do so for many years to come.
Look at Sir Alex Fegusons playing career and it was quite mid but went on to become the most successful manager in UK football. It happens, mid players become great managers.
If we were all so lucky. It's been funny to see all the ballyhoo about if Horner would leave RB for Ferrari this season. Not a chance. Horner jumping to the Scuderia is as likely as Toto doing it. He has no reason to at all. He's got both Max and Newey and he knows he's probably the only guy that Marko won't sack, especially now that the RB19 is an all-time great. Aside from that, the best thing that could've happened for Horner was those eight years spent chasing Mercedes. It wasn't that RB was awful. They were just where Merc is now. He's been there the whole way and Ferrari has more than enough issues that it makes no logical sense for him to switch. When Horner decides to pack it in, my guess it will be for retirement - nothing else. And he's earned it.
thing is this is the only thing his haters have to cling to now, because those who hate the man (I'm looking at you Lulu sympathisers) can't do anything else
@@chrisclermont456 As much as we've stirred a sympathiser I can actually say Horners... last longer, can be credited with more success and you also get Geri Halliwell I'll take that so nice attempt at making a point but you get an F :)
Thank god for his failure. Turned out to be a bit of an average team principal in F1 for the past - checks notes - 18 frikin' years. dude must be doing something right.
Even if you don't like Christian Horner, you must at the very least respect what he's done. Of course he's not going to be amiable all of the time, but I think you'll find every successful sportsperson in history has had a mean streak about them at some point. Christian is no different.
Yep, I wouldn't discredit his achievements so far but a change of attitude is needed. He is funny and all but can be toxic at times. However, that's what makes him Horner I suppose.
Oh dear ... I have an inkling, Josh, you'd be making that same video in 15 years or so about the manager of Aston Martin (now that his career in pro tennis seems to have failed). ;)
I knew his story but I didn’t realize his age so by the time I learned when he was offered role of team principal for a new Red Bull *F1* team, I was already a year older than when he started! 🤯 Even now I’m like 34 and no fucking way do I have nerves of steel to rally and carry an entire F1 team. Not to mention convincing/wooing/recruiting Adrian Newey, which was impressive & clever as well as stating how serious the team is ready to actually compete with the big boys of the time. You can’t help but respect the man for everything he’s done & achieved. 👏🏻Bravo Christian, 👏🏻bravo Dietrich for placing full trust in him and stepping back (unlike meddling Ferrari/Alpine higher ups) and 👏🏻bravo Darth Marko for having *the* eye 😉 🤫psst! (but let’s ignore his recent eye spotting like hiring DeVries, unless that was some master plan to get Danny Ric in the car sooner than Danny Ric originally wanted.) (Or maybe his age has caused weakness in his talent spotting eye. Who knows?)
I remember him roasting Martin Brundle for never winning the F1 world champs. Martin just answered by asking how his F1 career went? "Oh that's right. You weren't fast enough"
I absolutely get a kick out of seeing some of these guys roast the hell out one another. I remember Martin interviewing Eddie Jordan on the grid (Can't remember what year or what race) and Eddie responded with something like "Well, we're faster because you're not driving the car"
To take the old Stewart team, and a bag of money ofc, it's F1, to 4 Championships, then maintain a decent team who could pick up wins with a shit Renault engine through the Merc/Lewis domination years and come back and put 3 plus championships book ending that spell, and his part in bringing Verstappen through to be the driver he is, giving him the chances so early in F1, then in the main team and maintaining that relationship so strongly. He deserves so much credit.
Driving a racing car and managing a racing team are obviously very different skill sets. Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost both tried running their own Formula 1 teams, and well....the results speak for themselves.
well even if his talent of driving a race car wasnt supreme, you still have to admire his love of the sport. admitting that you are not gonna cut it as a driver(which must be difficult), but instead commiting to managing a team. especially if you think about the chances of rb ever beeing that successful at the start. he is undoubtly one of the guys that made rb so strong...
I think what helped Horner quite a lot as well, was that he quickly figured out how to play, use and abuse the media. which in turn, is a genius move again, as that draws in some sponsorships. Which equals more money, Which resulted in them being able to pay some pretty decent technical engineers and designers in the for of Adrian Newey. For about 10 million a year. Basically getting a highly uncompetetive Red Bull car into one of the most dominating ones in just 4 years.
If you suck for 20 years and you love a sport you retire from it. Doesnt matter who you are and in what sport. If you love the sport there is always a talent that deserve your spot if you suck.
@@WLBlazkowiczThis was pretty much what Haas wished to be, or wanted to be.
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Weird to think that Helmut Marko lending an old trailer to an unknown racer with team-leading aspirations led to two separate spells of domination in the highest form of racing.
Helmut Marko was also a racecar driver. He recognised on Christian his passion for the sport and his determination to succeed.
@@jfv65 Helmut even won Le Mans together with Gijs Van Lennep for Porsche
@@jfv65He even made it to F1 and was school friends with the late Jochen Rindt
@@andrewtan881Sadly he then got pelted by a rock which pierced his visor and lost an eye
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And left sitting there for hours in the emergency room because losing an eye ain't a big deal apparently.
7:35 It takes a real man to come to that conclusion rather than continuing to stroll around the track. Big respect and no wonder that guy had that amount of success.
I see what you did there.
@@Shapershift i dont know what you mean 😁
nice mate 🙏😁
Stroll. Hmmm
*”stroll”* oh my jfc 😂🤣😭
Hats off to the man, he knew his limits and ducked out. So many drivers don't know when to stop and won't accept ''they can't do that''
I think that's the mentality to be a top driver - 100% self-belief. I think he lacked that as well as the actual takent
The same can also be said about Toto Wolff. Both knew their limits and focussed on other things.
Don't talk shit about Goatifi behind his back
Some people know the clouds and the weather in their home country better than their limits as a driver.
Stroll
That photo of Zak Brown jarred me. For some reason, I had never considered that he was once a young man...........
Or a racing driver...
I always thought he was some kind of random businessman who took over McLaren.
Zak, Toto or Horner. I never thought all of them were racing drivers themselves.
@@kohikappu I knew he was a driver but never considered he was a youth once haha
@@sarminder4357 Toto seemed the most obvious IMO, especially if you had seen his 2013 campaign with Ross Brawn.
Quite similar to Jose Mourinho in football - he realised quite early on that he didn't have what it takes to make it as a top professional player so switched to coaching, built up his experience and won the Champions League with Porto the same year he turned 40.
He's also similar to Horner as they are both players of mind games and are divisive as hell amongst fans!
Agreed but to be fairly honest though, Horner had a more tragic career than him.
Mourinho was on the right path with his career while Horner could've quitted RB.
Red Bull seasons prior 2009 were absolutely terrible unless if you were to count 2006.
@@kohikappu well, what Horner has definitely got that Mourinho hasn't is the ability to stick around.
@@BOABModels Yep, so hopefully he will stay at Roma.
@@kohikappu
Rubbish comment. Horner in his first season with Red Bull easily beat the previous results from Jaguar.
@@mick8473 Doesn't matter, it remains true that he could have quitted RB.
You should do an updated video on Roy Nissany being an absolute danger to anyone around him on a racetrack
Thanks for the laugh.
I could not care less if Horner is unpopular. I'm sure Ron Dennis and Jean Todt weren't all that popular either. In this sport, sucess seems to be positively correlated with unpopularity (after all, just look at how much people hate Max right now and how much people hated Vettel, Schumacher and Senna in their days).
People hate domination so it's natural. I also used to hate Vettel's dominance back then.
He was a villain to be reckoned with, exactly what Schumacher and Senna were in the past.
Or else, you could also see how much people hated Hamilton's dominance before 2016.
Kinda glad he failed as a driver. Turned out quite amazing for us watching Vettel dominate and now Max
Tbh he wasn't BAD, he just wasn't fast either, and he had the self-awareness to realise that and then make something of it.
I think he’s more then made up for it,,taking a F3000 team from nothing to Championships.. and took an Energy drinks company and turned them into one of the most Successful teams in F1 history
they arent even in the top 5 most successful f1 teams
@@snmhlrbased on what? They’re absolutely within the top 5 most successful teams of all time, purely based on dominance. When Red Bull gets ahead, they get WAY ahead.
@@Dasbulldoge In terms of constructor championships, they're 6th all time behind Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Mercedes, and Lotus. That might be why the above poster said they aren't top 5 all time.
@@jamesprumos7775 Okay but Ferrari's been in F1 since 1950, McLaren 1959, Williams 1969, Mecerdes 1954 and Lotus 1958
Red bull joined in 2004, 40-50 years after these teams.
@@snmhlr Yeah, since they started in 2005 they've _only_ managed 7 WDCs. That's one every 2.5 years.
For Ferrari to get that success rate they'd need about 30 WDCs.
I saw bits of info about Horner's racing career through the documentary called "Gonchi La Película". I highly recommend searching that one up and watching it, as it covers the life of Gonzalo Rodríguez, an Uruguayan Formula 3000 driver, where Christian Horner talks about him as they raced together.
His story is compelling. Like or hate him, what he achieved after he hung up his gloves is pretty incredible.
I know it's not related to the video but did anyone else hear the frustration in Martin Brundle's voice when Max overtook Carlos in the Italian GP. It was hilarious 😂.
well, thats the curse of the win it all guy. everybody is rooting for the underdog after some time...
@@maxmustermann4141so true. Just two years ago everyone cheered for max to overtake lewis. And even though nobody can imagine yet: the rb dominance will be over at some point in the future...
@@bastianmann4936 Only morons cheered for Max in Abu Dhabi
@bastianmann4936 not everyone....... couldn't care less about Max
@@WisdomeSage1989then you’re not a true fan of the sport or of witnessing greatness. Enjoying the competition is so much more important than cheering on your favorite briton just because he’s British.
Max and Lewis put on an incredible show in 2021, and Max is putting on a clinic this year. Whether you care about Max or not, we’re witnessing the birth of a GOAT.
Reminds me of a few years ago, during Covid, I would race against some friends in various games, arcade like NFS to Forza Horizon 4 to Sims like Assetto Corsa. I was sometimes quick enough to keep up, but will consistently lose to my friends, and sometimes get destroyed. After feeling very bad about myself for awhile, I accepted that I'm just not a good driver.
Another friend later hosted "Team Principle Simulator". It was basically Dungeons and Dragons, with him as the Dungeon Master, and the Dungeon being F1. We would all manage teams, with me managing Renault. Timezones and studies meant I couldn't be present to make live strategic calls for my team. But I always give him a long list of different strategies based on scenarios that I anticipated, and that was when the entire DnD party forgot that I was the slowest driver among them.
Honestly, having an experience as a driver makes you naturally good at managing the race. But to pull it off into the results, you need both fast car and driver, or one of them which is the latter.
Bro the moment it popped up i clicked, always a good time when Josh uploads
Those loan sharks from Hull fish and Chip shop are vicious
I can't believe you left out that photo of Horner posing nude next to his F3 car 😂
Can't risk the video getting age restricted
As soon as i saw this video, my only question was, will he show us THAT photo?
You want Harry Nuttall? That's how you get Harry Nuttall.
His racing career was far better than many. Good on him for giving it a shot. I guess he did find where he fits.
This is a video I really wanted to see someone make! Good on ya Josh
It's honestly insane that he could easily become the most decorated team principal of all time. I could see him still going into his 70s knowing Horner.
Excelent video, Horner is one of a number of people who had unsuccesful racing careers and ended up being great team managers. Andy Rouse in BTCC was a great driver and great engineer so a video on him would be cool if possible
Peter Sauber also raced for his team
Ya, what a shame, that driving career went south... Not sure he will recover....
AS THE BEST TEAM PRINCIPLE OF ALL TIME!! BOOM!
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It takes a lot of metal to just think, I’m not good enough and then retire. Many drivers in the lower formulas (Roy Nissany I’m being looking at you), stay for a very long time when they clearly just aren’t good enough to make the step up to F1
Nissany is the only one that comes to your mind? Wasnt there this Indian Meme Driver which name i cant even write?
It's even worse when they clearly aren't good enough to make the step up to F1. But then do it anyways.
Thinking of a certain Russian.
all hail Lord Maheeva 🙏 @@zordiark9673
@@zordiark9673 Nissany came to mind because he is still there and he took out Maloney this weekend
Don't do my favourite GOAT in F1 like that.
Edit: Yes yes yes, I'm talking about the one and only GOATifi.
wait, he made Arden?
Wait, you didn't know? There is a reason why Red Bull backed their drivers for F1.
Nice reference there to the infamous sledge by Alan Jones to Christian Danner.... I like that
"Its a shame you were to old to drive here Martin"
"Shame you weren't fast enough"
loved that burn or should I say burndle....
I'd rather achieve what Horner achieved as a team boss than what Brundle achieved as a driver honestly.
@@medjin546Brundle's won the Daytona 24hr, LeMans 24hr, Sebring 12hr & the WSC Championship.....his done well
When was this? Singapore 2008 or 2009?
I really liked this video, quite a bit of insight into things I really didn't know, and it explains it even more why Horner truly loves the sport as much as he does and the passion he has for it.
Besides, I think he deserves credit for recognizing his own limits and retiring when he did and not going full Mazepin, Stroll or Latifi. It takes a lot for someone to admit your limits like that.
You got it!! Many others haven’t it seems when you look at some of the comments 👏
@@gordonritchie9341 Unfortunately yeah. I'm glad to see at least some people definitely see it though!
The funny thing is he still took massive risks after recognizing his own limits as a driver. Also starting his own team and learning new skills running that team, so he can continue driving was incredible achievement.
@@mick8473 Yeah, absolutely, but it's just a shame that so many people just either don't care, or don't even know about any of it and just label him as something I really don't think he is in my opinion and deserves at least a lot more respect for his achievements.
Dying for the FIA to put on a "Team Boss Exhibition Race" all in Radicals. See who the best boss is on the track.
Great video! The only complaint I have is that Christian is actually one of my favourite Team Principles (and I'm not even a RedBull fan lol), so I felt kinda offended at the start xdd
But the word SUCCESS also features on the thumbnail mail🤔
I never knew Linus tech tips was Christian Horner's teammate in Formula 3.
6:33 At least I admire that he risked it all to live his dream and make it…unlike some driver, who asked his dad to pay his way into F1 and then buy a team
Christian winning his first race at my local circuit is a weird fact that I never thought I'd hear 🤷♂️
You said twice horner isn't a liked team principle, but I've barely ever heard ppl complain about him. Just about helmut marco
you clearly don't spend a lot of time in social media (it's a good thing obviously)
@@oussamabendakir1453 Well I hear a lot of ppl talk shit about Toto nowadays and Helmut Marco when he says some stupid stuff but what are the kinds of things people dislike about Horner?
He is quite dislikeable in terms of personality, somewhat an ass but I wouldn't discredit his competence when it comes to managing teams. He once told Wolff to change his fucking car and we knew he said it to make up some scenes or dramas. So, nothing surprising, really.
@@kohikappu hmm okay, in the case of change ur car I think it was deserved. Mercedes knew how to stop the bouncing but didn't want to because they'd be slower, so instead they wanted everyone else to be regulated and slowed down with them. And ofcourse since redbull was fast without bouncing they demonstrated it was possible to have a fast car that didnt bounce so it was up to merc to "change their fucking car"
@@victorverkoelen7891 It was acceptable except for the way he phrased it. He got a point though.
Horner: "It's a shame you're too old to have driven here really. You would have liked it.”
Brundle: “I am too old, shame you weren't fast enough to get to Formula 1.”
Martin is so insecure. That wasn't even a quip at his age, it was Horner just expressing regret the track wasn't around in Martin's time. Martin took that as a dig and decided to be a jerk.
I’m not a massive fan of Christian or Toto but you have to admit they’ve both build great teams in the last ten years. And I think that’s the thing, while champions are borderline psychopaths, the bosses are just the same
that redbull petronas livery of Sauber was definitely interesting
My favorite line was when Christian Horner told Martin Brundle at Singapore a few years ago “”it’s a shame that you never won a race” in a friendly but somewhat mocking tone.
Brundle replied without missing a beat “It’s a shame you weren’t fast enough to make it to formula 1”
Will never get old...savage😂
What a funny exchange between two men whom I don’t enjoy listening to.
Horner said 'shame you are too old to have driven here' with the reply being 'shame you weren't fast enough to drive in F1'
@@GrouRocks That makes brundle sound bad. I was lying to make brundle sound better.
Brundle's career was one of the most unlucky one, he was both fast and consistent.
Somewhat reminds me of Quick Nick. Could've won a race in a very fast car.
To be honest, being a team principal is the hardest job in F1. A driver has to execute and help towards it. A team principal has to manage the entire team: multiple departments, profit/marketability, manage assets (drivers, engineers, raw materials), logistics, and the politics of F1.
And to think you have some that are under the impression that just because they have a ridiculous amount of money that they automatically can do ALL of that.
Interesting view on somebody his career! I think it is amazing that he had all those experiences and I hope that he can see the bigger picture and enjoyed the ride. 99% of the people would have loved those experiences. I had the pleasure to drive 2 races in the team where Max V and Charles L and Mike S races for. The result was not there and there where some reasons. 1 of them was a lack of talent! But I'm so grateful to have this experience in my life so it has been a success.
There's footage from... I think early 1990, where young Horner is standing next to a March 891 and talking about his hopes of getting in to F1; that March 891 being the second ever F1 car designed by a rising talent known as Adrian Newey.
I nearly ignored the video. Very good. Horner wasn’t a great driver but was a good driver. And he moved himself into a place many would dream of.
"Shame you wasn't fast enough to get into formula 1"
- Martin Brundle
He knew what he can do and what he cant do. Cheers to him.
😮became the team's youngest principal at the age of 31 and shared the stage with senior principals, both successful and intimidating such as Jean Todt, Ron Dennis, Flavio Briatore and the late Sir Frank Williams.. I can say he had guts and high self-confidence.. he could even convince Adrian Newey joined Red Bull... his experience as a driver, even though he failed, gave him experience that further matured his experience in the paddock...became the team's youngest principal at the age of 31 and shared the stage with senior principals, both successful and intimidating such as Jean Todt, Ron Dennis, Flavio Briatore and the late Sir Frank Williams.. I can say he had guts and high self-confidence.. he could even convince Adrian Newey joined Red Bull... his experience as a driver, even though he failed, gave him experience that further matured his experience in the paddock...
Don't forget in their early years Red Bull was seen as party team. Constantly having fun and took relaxed approach to F1. Then people took notice when Adrian Newey moved from McLaren
Josh is in those category of TH-camrs that gets a like before the video even starts.
Friendly reminder he’s been doing this since he was in his 30’s and he’s now 49
Dude still has a lot of years to give in this sport
So Christian Horner raced alongside Zak Brown and Horner's racing lead him to be such a great team principal... McLaren domination 2026 calling it now.
Horner is just the greatest team principal on the grid. imho. If in some fantasy world someone came to you "build a F1 team, pick any person to be the team principal"... how do you not pick him..
Idk toto wolff has been very successful as well. It depends on what you look for, like for example if youre looking for a rowdy, loud, in your face leader, Horner is perfect. If you're looking for a more analytical, calm but still stern leader, then Toto would be preferable. But both are incredible starts for a team!
Looks like a standard story for F1 team principals. Szafnauer, Wolff, and apparently Brown - were mid drivers.
On the other hand, f1 legend prost was aweful as a team manager/owner
We need a new video on Liam Lawson now
And we're seeing the same right now with Charles Pic managing the DAMS F2 team and James Rossiter being placed in charge of the Maserati FE team.
I may not *like* Horner a lot of time but I respect the hell out of him, and the reasons why I don't 'like' him are the reasons he's so good at his job and besides Tost, I think is the most experienced TP.
Also, he was successful in landing a Spice Gril.
Yeah, but not the one most of us would have picked.
@@scsutton1 who would you pick?
I’ll give him that, he accepted his limits and realised where his talents better lie. He could’ve easily let his ego blind him behind the wheel
The best outcome for any bad driver we could ever imagine!
Thought this would have a lot more to do with his time as a team principle, interesting though.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍💯
What are those giant pods?
For some reason i thought the austrian with the trailer would be Toto Wolff...
I'm not a big fan of YT colabarations, but Scott Mansell (Driver61) could have been handy on this vid.
He is in someway the same like Toto, Toto was also not fast enough on the track and then went to a manager position.
i mean, not so much. Like, he still have the record of fastest lap on the nurburing-nordschleife... so, he was a litlle bit better in racing.
Toto Wolff, Christain Horner, and Zak Brown (although he's not a TP), all have similar stories. They didn't grow up filthy rich, decided to sacrifice a lot to fund their racing careers, realised they were better at managing than racing, and now have stakes in major racing teams.
Toto Wolf's career as a racing driver is kind of funny, because for the Dubai 24h hours he raced sponsored by Red Bull...
I struggle playing F1 23, but I'm really good at F1 manager. Maybe I'm the horner of videogames
You should cover Toto Wolff’s racing career next
Dr. Helmut Marko in the 90s: "I'm not selling my truck to some weird Englishman"
*Ferrari dominates F1 from 2010 to 2013*
Helmut Marco looks like he never was a young man :D
Under Horner, redbull have shown consistent performance, and constant dramatic improvement. His team has also seen a lot of championship success both with Vettle and now Verstappen with the latter being the dominator of F1 today. The team is continuing to break more and more records, and will likely continue to do so for many years to come.
9:11 not me recognizing wirdheim on how he looks while completely missing that it was him while josh said his name previously
So what I'm hearing is that Jolyon Palmer would make a fantastic team principal??
Yes
no, carma would ruin that...
Look at Sir Alex Fegusons playing career and it was quite mid but went on to become the most successful manager in UK football. It happens, mid players become great managers.
Helmut Marko: Gives some bloke a trailer -> Verstappen and Red Bull 2023 dominance
If we were all so lucky.
It's been funny to see all the ballyhoo about if Horner would leave RB for Ferrari this season. Not a chance. Horner jumping to the Scuderia is as likely as Toto doing it. He has no reason to at all. He's got both Max and Newey and he knows he's probably the only guy that Marko won't sack, especially now that the RB19 is an all-time great.
Aside from that, the best thing that could've happened for Horner was those eight years spent chasing Mercedes. It wasn't that RB was awful. They were just where Merc is now.
He's been there the whole way and Ferrari has more than enough issues that it makes no logical sense for him to switch. When Horner decides to pack it in, my guess it will be for retirement - nothing else. And he's earned it.
thing is this is the only thing his haters have to cling to now, because those who hate the man (I'm looking at you Lulu sympathisers) can't do anything else
Haha!! Never mind the bollocks!! Who's career would YOU rather have: Horner or Hamilton?? Be honest if you can!! 😂😂😂
@@chrisclermont456 As much as we've stirred a sympathiser I can actually say Horners... last longer, can be credited with more success and you also get Geri Halliwell I'll take that so nice attempt at making a point but you get an F :)
@@chrisclermont456 oh and Horner has more wins and as many titles so again, nice try :)
Lulu…
Sympathizers…
Hey man where r u getting all these footage
Thank god for his failure.
Turned out to be a bit of an average team principal in F1 for the past - checks notes - 18 frikin' years.
dude must be doing something right.
Christian Horner: “It's a shame you're too old to have driven here.”
Martin Brundle: “Shame you weren't fast enough to get to Formula One!!"
I bet josh I very happy that Liam Lawson has made his f1 Debut
At 5:02, is that the guys legs dangling around the front of the car?
Josh and Sim uploading on same day? Today is a good day.
Even if you don't like Christian Horner, you must at the very least respect what he's done. Of course he's not going to be amiable all of the time, but I think you'll find every successful sportsperson in history has had a mean streak about them at some point. Christian is no different.
Yep, I wouldn't discredit his achievements so far but a change of attitude is needed. He is funny and all but can be toxic at times. However, that's what makes him Horner I suppose.
That meme of "Christian Horner, failed to qualify" lives in my head rent free. Imagine if Helmut Marko saw it
Hey Josh, was wondering if you’d consider doing an episode on Timo Bernhard?
“Shame you wasn’t fast enough to get to Formula One!”
So a little thanks to Montoya for the current RedBull 👌🇨🇴 xd
Oh dear ... I have an inkling, Josh, you'd be making that same video in 15 years or so about the manager of Aston Martin (now that his career in pro tennis seems to have failed). ;)
I knew his story but I didn’t realize his age so by the time I learned when he was offered role of team principal for a new Red Bull *F1* team, I was already a year older than when he started! 🤯
Even now I’m like 34 and no fucking way do I have nerves of steel to rally and carry an entire F1 team. Not to mention convincing/wooing/recruiting Adrian Newey, which was impressive & clever as well as stating how serious the team is ready to actually compete with the big boys of the time.
You can’t help but respect the man for everything he’s done & achieved.
👏🏻Bravo Christian, 👏🏻bravo Dietrich for placing full trust in him and stepping back (unlike meddling Ferrari/Alpine higher ups) and 👏🏻bravo Darth Marko for having *the* eye 😉
🤫psst!
(but let’s ignore his recent eye spotting like hiring DeVries, unless that was some master plan to get Danny Ric in the car sooner than Danny Ric originally wanted.)
(Or maybe his age has caused weakness in his talent spotting eye. Who knows?)
damn poor Harry Nuttall musta had a rough time in school 😆 🤣
So what you're saying is. Latiffi could be a team owner and be more sucsefull then merc and redbull?
I remember him roasting Martin Brundle for never winning the F1 world champs.
Martin just answered by asking how his F1 career went?
"Oh that's right. You weren't fast enough"
I absolutely get a kick out of seeing some of these guys roast the hell out one another. I remember Martin interviewing Eddie Jordan on the grid (Can't remember what year or what race) and Eddie responded with something like "Well, we're faster because you're not driving the car"
OMFG if that was 1997 then that was absolutely fucked lol@@RACECAR
Any video on Horner looking back at his days in the cockpit?
Seems it’s difficult as most of the time he was so far back from the leaders that footage of him is almost impossible to find!
answer to my question: th-cam.com/video/p-tfbDQxXhI/w-d-xo.html
very good video mate
I really was expecting a Spice girls song at the end, then I reminded myself about copyrights... it would be cool tho.
To take the old Stewart team, and a bag of money ofc, it's F1, to 4 Championships, then maintain a decent team who could pick up wins with a shit Renault engine through the Merc/Lewis domination years and come back and put 3 plus championships book ending that spell, and his part in bringing Verstappen through to be the driver he is, giving him the chances so early in F1, then in the main team and maintaining that relationship so strongly. He deserves so much credit.
Driving a racing car and managing a racing team are obviously very different skill sets.
Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost both tried running their own Formula 1 teams, and well....the results speak for themselves.
This makes my insane Lamce Stroll theory hold even more water. Thank you Josh, you big enabler 😂
"You wasn't fast enough for F1"
Christian Horner’s disrespect for Renault goes all the way back to that deal in 1992
Are you now going to do Toto's driving history and show everyone when he (or his team) used to be sponsored by Red Bull?