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@@purwantiallan5089 It's not what he drove, but how he drove. Basically fearless and coming through full-on. Aggressive and on a mission to win... he'd do the same today. People got the hell out of his way, listen to the interviews. One of the greatest drivers ever, yet you doubt him? lol.
Agree. But also because putting those cars on the sheer ragged edge in a time when they were dangerous also played into it as well. Now that the cars are safer, drivers feel comfortable and safer to drive, you cannot account for the sheer guts of that driving style. In truth though, Prost was better on high-speed corners/tracks than Senna was (Senna was far better than Prost on technical circuits).
@@joaoebordignon I think we would be bored with todays cars. You can almost hear him saying "this isn't racing". Also Senna with DRS would just be a cheat code
If smoothness is the way to drive today's cars, can you imagine how fast the late, great Jim Clark would be? He was Mister Smooth back in the '60s, long before aero was considered fit to eat. Easy on both tyres and brakes, the man used minimal inputs to the steering wheel and pedals - and was the fastest of his era.
and jim clarks idol the all great Juan Manuel Fangio was also a smooth driver, as well as sir Stirling Moss was. You can say till the mid 70s driving smooth was key.
@@simjani. Ah, yes. But the four-wheel drift was a necessity back then. As was power-on oversteer. It would take them some time to adjust. But once they did, buh-bye!
Jimmy was so good he could easy beat Nikita Mazepin today in his farmyard tractor. I'm serious. Nikita would bin the car halfway through the race. When did Jimmy ever bin a car (or indeed, tractor).
Jackie Stewart wrote the book "Principles of performance Driving" where he explains why smoothness is quickest. But I think Senna's aggressive style was more a function of the beast of cars that he was driving. When Senna took you on a lap in a street car (there are videos) he drove it with the smoothness you'd expect.
@@axelnussbaumer I have a hard time calling the NSX a street car, I mean I know it’s street legal but I’ve only seen one in my whole life and I’ve lived all over the place lol
You forgot to mention that in Senna's era, the cars were reasonably well dimensioned. Today's F-1 are as long as city buses. Compare South Africa 1993 to one of today's races. Better still, 1990 USGP where Alesi challenged Senna for much of the race. Sure the cars are "quicker" now, but exciting true grit driving was back thirty years ago.
@@dansprague2 DTM, BTCC, SCCA, IMSA,WRC, 500cc/Motogp. Yeah! These and many others are still ok. In the 1970s, 80s, and 90s these were awesome. Politics and retrograde leadership have curtailed their shine quite a bit. The trend is to completely divorce racing from real life. Autonomous Electric vehicles are going to lessen or even eliminate racing in a not so distant future. Daytona, Le Mans might survive like Horse Racing has done, but don't see much more beyond that. Better to enjoy the present as much as possible. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Yes. F1 is really unappealing these days. No wonder TV viewership has fallen by about 300,000,000 since 2009 I believe. You see how Indycar slowed their cars down and now their racing is exciting as ever? But it seems F1 will never realise Faster =/= Better. I would sell a kidney to have those light, small and nimble cars of late 90s/early to mid 2000s back. F1 has already peaked out and is now just slowly dying
I feel like Senna would probably be able to adapt to the current era if he were still around. Like you mentioned in the video he was good at adapting to cars given enough time. Though he might have an old man moment and say that the spirit of F1 has long moved away from what he once knew.
Max has said that he doesn’t have a driving style, because it’s so dependent on the car, the track and the conditions. And I think that goes for most of the drivers. Todays cars require a smooth style so I’m sure Senna would be smooth.
I mean it was always like that driving the smoother the better with high grip aero cars like F1. But the current cars are just so refined that you basically dont need to do any corrective actions. On the other hand it looks boring. Seeing drivers not really fighting the track / car. Only really fighting the tires.
@@LaggerSVK And I hope that changes with the new regulations. Less aerodynamic grip and a heavier car which might make it harder to correct. The drivers also say that the new cars are more nervous due to the bigger rims. Hopefully we’ll see more drivers fighting the car this season
@@Sverrehope the sidewall is smaller meaning it doesnt absorb much of energy which makes for some "nervous driving" but in general I wouldnt say the added weight would make it nervous. I would say the contrary but its not really that easily dependent on weight.
@@LaggerSVK well, it just doesn't seem that way from the insanely well balanced and stabilized T-cams. if you look at the helmet cams, the drivers are actually doing a lot more work than you'd think. the cars also have noticeable amounts of understeer and oversteer depending on the setup which become really apparently on push laps if you look close enough at the right times
@@shooter7a Yep, in the tests for Williams, Senna said "the car is getting slower and the engine is going to break" after he beat the track record, and he was right, after a check-up, the Williams mechanics found serious problems with the engine. Frank Williams was so surprised that he kept documents about Senna's tests as a trophy. :)
No such thing as instinct. He trained a lot, he took hardworking to a new level. The story about him being so good at rain races is pretty well known already, he spinned at a kart race when he was a boy, he got frustrated, so everytime it rained in São Paulo (which is not exactly uncommon, São Paulo was know as 'land of the rain' back then) he'd get his kart out and race for the sole purpose of getting better at it.
@@danielsantarosa101 He did the same after being already world champion several times and a estabilished driver - back at Interlagos 94 practice. It rained alot. All drivers were inside the pits, Senna went out on the pooring rain to have a "feel" for the Williams. It helped the show for the brasilian fans, but people should not kid themselves, Senna was not showing of there, he was testing the car in the rain. He was an ungoing student of the sport until that very last 94 Imola race lap.
Watch Senna's fast lap footage from Monaco 1990. Todays drivers also keep both hands on the wheel instead of having to take one off to shift. Senna had the skill to create all those blistering lap times ONE HANDED. Big difference.
Drivers now though have to adjust like a million settings on their wheel in the middle of a lap though, that itself also adds a level of difficulty and requires alot of concentration even if they dont really have to take their hand off the wheel
@@realested current cars are much bigger, faster, more g's, lots of button while changing gears, unlike before they playing checkers, this modern drivers plays chess. Yes it has advance computer under the car but if you don't know and have concentration to operate it, you can't drive modern f1 cars. Unlike before it's super easy. I bet you can't drive manual car bruh.
I remember when Eddie Cheever criticized Senna’s driving style, and all I could think of was, “And how many F1 Championships have YOU won, Eddie?” I’m kinda getting the same vibe from this video, too!
Some things to correct and add - Senna changed his driving style significantly for the 93 and 94 season cars. He dropped his throttle pumping technique almost entirely (it was simply not needed) and he was very smooth with the steering wheel. And McLaren had already switched to paddle shifting since 92, so he was used to that. In fact back in those years drivers didn't even have to press paddles or buttons that much to shift gear - they had a system that would automatically go through the gears under deceleration or acceleration after just a single pressing of the appropriate button. As for the tyres, it's actually quite the opposite - the softest compounds back then provided more mechanical grip than modern tyres. Modern tyres have to be extremely hard and rigid to sustain the high level of downforce, plus Pirelli just seem to be unable to produce a tyre that works with lower pressure without coming apart all of a sudden, so they run crazy high pressures, which removes mechanical grip even further. Add to that the much longer and heavier cars compared to back then, and you get cars that are very sluggish and unresponsive at lower speeds. Back then the driver could make up a lot more of a difference because of that, rather than have to be restricted to prioritizing the aero package so much. If you watch any of Senna's final year onboards, he's smooth as silk, so there's no doubt he could've easily adapted to modern day F1 cars. He was very good in preserving tyres already during the turbo years and seeing how important that aspect is nowadays, there's no reason for someone as talented as him to adapt. Of course this is talking about if Senna was driving modern F1 at his top form, not at an old age.
Google tho says that low pressure tyres give less grip because they use up less of their surface area? Idk anything, just wonder if you could say why that is, tho my brain would tell me that you are right.
@@JoelLinus It depends on the vertical load of the tyre and the properties of the tyre (e.g. shape, construction). It's always a compromise in an attempt to reach an optimal average pressure that works well for a given track layout and level of downforce, suspension stiffness and specific tyre. Of course if you underinflate, the middle part of the tyre is not gonna make as much contact with the surface, just as the outer layers won't if you overinflate. The problem with modern tyres is that they're extremely overinflated, just to manage the very high levels of downforce of the cars. I suppose this may change this year with the shorter sidewall and reduced levels of downforce because of the rule changes.
@@hristoitchov I'm no expert, but imo a good example of seeing tire type and certain inflation/deflation would be to watch a top-fuel drag car. The tires are purposefully underinflated because when the pedal gets jammed to the floor the tires go from a seemingly flat look to "growing" in height. In F1 those tires are also moving pretty damn fast (though not as fast as top-fuel), the air inside the tire will get hotter and "expand", like top-fuel, yes? You can add this to the discussion. ;}
@@SuedeStonn True to some extent, as it is a similar principle, but from what I’ve read on the topic, top-fuel drag car tyres are a special case, as they have to cope with thousands of horse power coming from the engine. In F1 the demand is mostly the high downforce, not so much the engine power (although that is a factor too of course). The difference in ride height between running cold and heated tyres is only a few millimetres. In short, the tyre construction in F1 is much stiffer/more rigid, compared to dragsters.
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The thing that amazes me the most about Senna was his mindset. He was always working very close with the mechanics and engineers, I am pretty sure he would give us a masterclass on f1 driving if was still around.
He was Mansell & Prost rolled into one.. Senna wasn't aggressive.. he was assertive.. like Prost in determining how a car should be set up.. but he could drive any car faster than anyone else in spite of any deficiencies as per Mansell.. one thing the 3 shared was their abilities to evolve strategies on the fly & setup passing lines
your comment about him working with the mechanics is true of all the top drivers, i think schumacher took it to the next level. as someone who would describe himself as a senna fan, i'd like to point out senna was a big baby. when he was in the mclaren and it was winning, all good. as soon as the williams was dominant, he cried and forced his way to williams. i think if senna was still with us, he would still be a 3 time world champion.
@@percyveer2355 a boy what a fool you are,1994 he raced against machine not driver,that year benetton used banned traction control illegal way,if benetton not used illegal traction car maybe Senna lived today,if senna had not that accident,maybe he was 10 times champion and schumacher no chance against him..
@@percyveer2355 Schumacher made his career using electronic suspension and other tech shenanigans to artificially correct mistakes. He won most races in the boxes. He was not outstanding, he was cold and efficient. Senna had more passion and heart, and he was obsessed with details, including his own training as a professional athlete. He created this persona that became the standard today. "Crybaby" is an emotional opinion, probably based on a personal preference for another driver. But the fact is, Senna was unhappy because of politics. You clearly haven't seen his documentary. The guy died trying to convince the F1 board that the drivers were in danger.
I remember my dad telling me about Senna and how he was the best F1 driver until his death. His favourite driver was Lewis Hamilton, so I asked him - who would be faster now, Senna or Hamilton? And even he said that Senna would probably be a little better. After all, there must be a damn good reason why McLaren named a car after him.
> there must be a damn good reason why McLaren named a car after him. Idk but that car felt a little underwhelming for me. Don't get me wrong, it is mighty fast, like, almost GT3 fast, but that's the thing, as pointed out by 1 Chris Harris, it's not as fast as a GT3 car. Though it never set a Ring time officially, I'm sure it would at least beat the GT2RS MR, but I kinda expected more from a car that was named Senna. Like, sure it's very fast, but I felt like it's a little bit slower than it should be. Damn it make it street illegal, make it faster than the GTEs, or failing that, make a race winner out of it. The P1 is 1/3 of the Holy Trinity, as it was the Senna was just a (very) fast track toy, hypercar maybe, but Senna was not a regular F1 driver, just like the car should not be a regular hypercar. Then again, McLaren's Speedtail is not that impressive either, maybe McLaren is just not killing it with their hypercars. Their supercars rock tho
@@JL-gf3yc He would... In the 10 years he drove on F1 he had to adjust his driving style to many different cars, so yeah, he would make these new cars look liek toys...
Yes. He did it with the transition from the F3 cars to the powerfull F1 turbo cars. He did it with the transition to the non turbo cars. He did it when racing V8s, V10s and V12 engines. He did it when changing to fully electronic comanded F1 cars (which wielded better results when driving smoothly - in the case of the MP4/8). He did it when the fuel strategy for the races changed for (94) - the Interlagos race (althought not finishing) was a great measure of it. Ayrton was always on the race for the win, never being more than 8 seconds (give or take) form the german driver on the race and with a very good/ consistent race pace - when the german had an ilegal car and the FW16 was a mess at the start of that season. There is no way whatsoever he would not adapt. Ayrton was an ongoing student of the sport - even after being a multiple world champion and a star of the sport. He changed the game on multiple levels back then.
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb yeah you're absolutely right, even though his jerky driving style was iconic, his true driving style is his ability to adapt to literally anything.
I don't know why, but these old cigarette advertising color styles on the old F1 cars are so much more appealing than todays color schemes. And as always a great video!
I've noticed this too. I just don't think the "lines" of today's cars are very aesthetic. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but the F1 cars from about 1989-1999 were just gorgeous. Not only the liveries, but the actual bodywork of the cars was unique and like a sculpture.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 speak for yourself . No disrespect but the older F1 card honestly looked like Twigs , thin front wing , thin bodywork , thin wheels they looked so freaking delicate and just don’t feel right . In comparison the modern F1 cars actually look like RACING MACHINES .
the most important things you forgotten? in Sennas aera there was no Traction contol, no Abs, no automatic gears... That was also one of the reasons why the cars moved so differently...
Senna was an adaptive driver; he could get everything out of any car. With today's cars, it would be a walk in the park for him. I doubt anyone would come close or share a corner the way he did. It is like the god is in the track please fight for second place
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Of course, Senna's driving style wouldn't work today but I can assure you he would have adapted and still dominated just as he did back then. He could drive the wheels off anything and proved it multiple times. Still my all time favorite driver period.
Not every elite driver can adapt. Look at Vettel.... His operating window is so small that he loses performance to his team mate if his car is not set up specfically.
Well we don’t know that if it won’t work, I think there would have to be a quicker version for it to work in todays cars that have to involve the feet moving at a much faster pace since the cars are quicker today
@@Sum_Ting_Wong Not just Vettel. *Button* and *Raikkonen* can also become borderline average when the car is not 100% to their liking. There's *less* than a handful of current F1 drivers that could be successful in any era.
As an old racer I remember watching and studying Senna at the hairpin corner in Montreal 1989 F1 race. His techniques was like none other. He would dive in and diamond the corner with a quick flick and straight-line the exit with at a faster speed...... Amazing...
Barrichello was the last driver not to do left-foot braking which is obvious in the graph at 1:28. The top guys have an incredible feel that simply lets them hold the car on the edge. That feel for the car, tires, and track is also what makes most of the great drivers also great rain drivers.
I believe it was just more than a simple turbo spool spin up advantage. Allows the feel of the surface and level of grip as it changes throughout the race.
@@IronMan-dl1wx when doing spirited drives through the mountain roads. i do this alot. its like you are steering the car with the throttle. not drifting but kinda weird to explain. the car has grip but its rotating more based on throttle. dunno if it was the front digging in more or the real slipping. i do it with rwd and awd and its a similar feel.
You move weight with it so the car has better balance in corners. There is a Driver61 video about it, i dont know why he only mentioned the turbo lag here...
Not sure. But I feel like F1 has for some time been moving from the individual skill of the driver to a strategy type of sport. Its not huge but I think you see more races won these days through special strategies than you used to.
@@harryfluellen Max seems to have a habit of being fast right away in pretty much everything. You hear these stories by Marko and others where he had his first ever testing in a single seater, a Formula Renault, and being faster than established F2 and F3 drivers straight away. As in litteraly his first flying lap. George and Charles have similar stories about them.
He never said Senna wouldn’t be fast today. He just said that if Senna drove nowaday’s cars using the same technique he used back then, it wouldn’t have the same effect. Surely Senna would drive today’s cars to the very limit and more.
Hamilton's McLaren days driving style was 180° opposite of today , so I think senna would have adopted too. Adaptibility is what differentiates great drivers from good drivers.
Hamilton is above average drive at best look when he didn't have a championship car and team mate button, button beat him and scored more points over the 3 years as team mates. Nico was never a race winner till Mercedes became top 3 car. Hamilton has had the best cars his entire career bar 2009 but he would struggle in most mid teams
@@muriloctn what can't handle facts look what bottas does after Mercedes and before, bloke has more podiums and similar race wins as villeneuve and more poles yet as a driver wasn't as good. Like I said hamilton is above avrage driver his 2009-2013 prove that with a top 3 car he's ok but his team mate can beat him. Mercedes where nicco beat him is embarrassing like honesty nicco was worse then bottas from 2006 to 2012.
The great drivers could drive in any era. It's not like humans have evolved into super racers now lol. Senna's style was because of the equipment he drove. Yeah the driving style he used wouldn't work in today's cars and vise versa so it's really a pointless video. Drivers adapt to whatever they are driving whether it's a F1 car or a tractor.
He does that by not being aggressive to the corners, soft breaking, and adjusting the car at the exit of the corner to accelerate while the tyres are straight.
He is constantly reducing lateral load on tires taking different lines. Lines he is able to take depend on the speed he's carrying, which is controlled by his brake inputs.
@paper plane that's honestly a valid theory. the SF1000 was great on tires because the damn thing was so slow and didn't have the downforce to push the tire enough for degradation to be a concern
@paper plane in France he let the front 3 drop him to guarantee a podium and possibly 2nd. Mercedes had to let Bottas go for the win which used up the Finns tyres more. Had Max not taken nearly 2 laps on Valtteris bumper it might have been a Redbull 1-2.
I started doing the V shape myself in Simracing without even knowing it's a real racing technique. I accidentally discovered it by braking a bit too late and noticed to gain time on faster exit/earlier throttle.
@@user-cw2nl8jr7h well all of the cars on the track are different, different tires, different aerodynamics ect. there are a lot of factors that go into it. Lewis is working around mercedes' car, if he was in a haas or a mclaren im sure he would change up his cornering style
Scott! I’d be really interested if you could make a video on Ricciardo’s driving style and why he’s struggling so much at Mclaren, I’m sure a lot of fans would love your insights as well
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The reason why all drivers are the same now is because the majority of the car is pre-programmed with specific input they are taught to adapt to. In older cars most of how the car was driven was the drivers input and then the car was adjusted to the drivers driving style. Now F1 drivers are taught to drive & adjust to how a car should drive based on pre-programmed data & input not how they feel the car should drive/handle. Although it would take some adjustment for sure, someone like Senna would easily adjust & be successful in todays cars much quicker than say Lewis or Max could jump in Senna’s Lotus or McLaren. It’s why Senna use to like his seat right against the floorboard because he could feel minute changes in the track through his butt, which may sound crazy to most but anyone who has raced especially go-karts can attest too. It allowed him to know where he could run through a line if he needed the car lower to or higher off track to create more or less downforce/grip. Rick Mears said of Senna when he did the Indycar test with Penske how after 2 laps having never driven an Indycar before he was only 3 tenths of a second off the pole time for the race earlier that year came in mentioned how much heavier the car was than an F1 car, and how much softer the brakes were, he then asked the engineer to chance 1 or 2 things with the front & rear wing & went out did 1 lap and matched the pole time. Came in got out of the car, Mears asked if anything was wrong, Senna said “No…I think I got what I needed.” Went back and raced for McLaren for ‘93. The rest is history as they say. Even Lewis himself said after driving Senna’s MP4 how couldn’t even begin to imagine driving that car through Monaco with 1 hand off the steering wheel 90% of the race to change gears w/o missing a shift on a track so rough (bumpy). Also for those who have never seen it, you should watch the video of Senna doing a test drive in an Acura NSX from back in the day. It’s a sick video.
Senna found the optimal way to drive every car he ever raced in and he studied data more than any other driver of his era. In Monaco he averaged driving 2 inches closer to the barriers than any other driver at the turns. You are right the cornering technique he used at the time may not suit todays F1 cars but there was so much more to Senna than that tactic. In 1984 at the Nürburgring race of champions with everyone driving an equal car,, a last minute unknown replacement Senna won the race against F1 champions from past and present, including Prost.
Senna’s throttle technique was something he picked up from karting and it just so happened to work really well with the turbo cars. But even when they became naturally aspirated in 1989, he kept that throttle technique and was still way quicker than then teammate prost.
Exactly. He did it in every car while on track, from the NA Civic, karts, to the turbo monsters in F1 so it obviously couldn’t be just to spool the turbo.
@@indiebekonn I also have no doubt that he could get everything out of any car. Put him in today's car and on he'll be half a second quicker than his teammate regardless of who that is,
@@indiebekonn mentioning a Civic... Look at the famous NSX video with the pedal cam... You can clearly see him stomping the crap out of that accelerator pedal!
@@trrruls oh that as well, but I just love the one video of him racing Nakashima in a Civic, where filmed from the outside you can so clearly hear the stomps on the throttle.
Berger was Sennas fastest teammate overall(who did more than 10 races against Ayrton) at 0.595 off and 0.285 off in 1990. Strangely, his best season was 1992 where he was 0.7 seconds slower than Senna . Prost could have been closer than his 0.605 second gap but favored setup over being 0.35-0.4 seconds off and being slower in the race. This was exemplified in 1989 where Senna had special engines, 6 wins but only 7 podiums. Prost had far more podiums but couldn't beat Ayrton head to head. Their lines may have been different but their head to head battles as teammates show Hakkinen, Berger,Mansell and Prost had similar one lap pace and throttle technique. Berger was more rough ,Prost very smooth -with Mansell and Hakkinen in the middle;but they all lifted off unlike Senna. Mansell shaded Prost by a tiny margin in qualifying but was destroyed on Race day. Mansell got the front rows and Poles but Prost would qualify 4th when Mansell was 6th. Other than the famous Portugal lap, Hakkinen was very similar to 1990 Berger in qualifying pace relative to Ayrton. So 1. Hakkinen 0.268 seconds...only 3 races 2. Berger 0.595 seconds. Went all out 3 Prost 0.607 seconds. I believe a couple tenths faster if he went all out. 4. Hill 0.92 seconds 5. DeAngelis 1.195 seconds. Was close on points 6. Andretti 1.38 seconds. Not close on points...loved to crash 7. DeCicotta 1.9 seconds 8. Dumfries 3.90 seconds. Was dominant in 400 kg 180 bhp cars. F1 too big a step. 9. Nakaijama. 4.03 seconds. Very experienced outside F1 but too slow. Was usually 1.5- 2 seconds off Piquet later in his career. So Prost had a textbook technique you would teach. Sennas throttle blipping would make any driver slower...except him. It was a one in 200 million brain phenomenon.
We are talking about his driving style, but we are forgetting his tremendous agressive style atacking and defending his position. That is champion stuff.
1992 monaco gp Senna vs Mannsel with stong car,after chequered flag,mannsel was exausted and Senna was pouring champagne through his body,while mannsel was sitting on the ground because he was exausted because of Senna's drive ability,Senna was a unlucky guy,1994 if benetton not used illegal banned traction control,Senna was alive today,Senna drove that year not against schumacher but against traction control
He would adapt of course, but adapting means abandoning the aggresive driving techniques that was part of what made him so entertaining to watch. Him darting into a corner, then almost drifting while intermittently revving the engine and then sudden accelerating again. Adapting means smooth in, and smooth out. The exact same optimal but boring driving style as everyone else.
In the 80s and early 90s everything those cars lacked, they basically said add more power to compensate. Today’s machines, driver aids, faster, more downforce, more stable, more predictable, paddle shift, less nervous and twitchy, less power and more linearity in power delivery to wrestle. He probably would’ve been even more competitive as those cars are widely known to have been more challenging to drive. Imo.
He was some driver, I’ll never forget watching him duel it out with a very young M Schumacher from up in the grandstand at Silverstone back in 1993 #legends
I was there myself! I remember cheering when we saw smoke billowing out of a Williams as we thought it was Prost. Also remember Johnny Herbert waving to the crowd during the parade, and the sound of those engines was like nothing I'd ever heard before!
@@Just_lift_anyone wow great memory, I just remember a moment when Michael Schumacher was very young and chasing Senna and you could see the skills and he almost lost the car on a corner but quickly recovered it...
@@jlemmi it was Schumacher, he was pushing so hard I remember the rear slid out for a split second but he managed to correct it - I was in the grandstand on the first corner (Abbey) and it happened right in front of me…
It would have been interesting to see Senna (If he was still alive) do the demo runs that Brundle occassionaly does for Sky F1. However I have a feeling like what a lot of the comments has already said he would have worked out a way to be rapid in a modern F1 car (Same with Schumacher while in his prime G, Hill Clarke Lauda etc).
It would have been interesting to see how Gilles Villeneuve would fair if he drove the modern cars, he was known for being very aggressive and making up for it with his unbelievable car control but I’d like to see how he would pan out today
Not well. The problem is that the shitty pirellis require a specific driving style AND weight distribution for the cars. Otherwise they turn into half boiled eggs
It might sound weird but maybe the reason vettel spins a lot with this new era cars might be his V shape driving style . for V type you need to slow more than usual and you lose a lot of downforce while doing it so you have to battle with the torque without the downforce you have . Blown diffuesers were really good for him because even though you get aggresive on power it delivers more downforce via exhaust to floor
If you watch replays of Vettel with telemetry, you can see how he always gives at least half power, and then waits until the car settles to go slowly to full power. But the modern cars need a slowly progression from 0 power.
it's the cars for real. In his McLaren days Lewis was known for that sharp V line, but in his Mercedes he has a more gentle curve because the car doesn't pivot as well.
The case around driving styles is certainly relevant due to how different the cars that drivers like Senna, Clark and Lewis drove. However, genuine talent does play out in any era and Senna would certainly be fast nowadays.
The greatest race drivers were the greatest not because of their style but because they were able to adapt their driving style. I would like to see this young F1 drivers drive an F1 from late 80s to early 90s manual gear and see if they adapt to that car.
Senna was an extremely talented driver and I am confident that if you could put him in a modern F-1 car, he would quickly adapt his driving style to the new demands.
I would love a video explaining what separates the top drivers today from their peers. With the cars becoming so refined, the optimal driving technique seems to be more logical and attainable. What makes Lewis and Max better drivers? What can I look for in a race to compare styles and abilities? Great videos. Your channel has been my favorite for gaining F1 knowledge. Keep up the great work!
Senna's throttle technique actually started when he was karting. He would do that to get the kart to rotate better. It was a habit that he never broke.
This was cause he used the gas to essentially steer the car lol. It was a very genius technique if done right. It had nothing to do with turbo if anything the turbo just happened to fall into his favor. It worked cause f1 cars back then didn’t have the downforce but they had the power so he drove it with the throttle helping him turn it better and basically purposely stepping ever so slightly over the limit to slide the car on purpose ever so slightly to carry small amounts of speed and making the car turn better. He basically slightly drifted it and had such control in slides that it worked. That’s why he was so good in the rain cause he did the same thing just he could do it even better cause there was more off throttle time and the rain made the car turn even more under power in corners you wouldn’t even have to really let up beforehand so he gained even more time while other drivers were basically almost half or off the throttle he was right on the edge of control. It’s also why at a place like Monaco he was so fast cause the track as a lot of slower speed corners and a lot of on and off throttle and sharp corners so the fact that he could ever so slightly turn the car more and carry small amounts of speed payed off. This style was so extreme tho that a percentage more and you would spin and a percentage lower and you would be slower as it wouldn’t work. He has to perfect it almost every lap and constantly be sliding the car ever so slightly. It’s why alot of his onboard footage his car seems to be sliding around alot more then everyone else and he is always usually it seems countering a slide. It’s what oval dirt car drivers do or any dirt car drivers do is constantly more on throttle and mashing the gas to help the car turn. The fact that he was able to apply this to pavement in just the perfect amount to not spin or be slower was pretty astonishing. He was lucky the tires were hard rocks too cause he would’ve melted them down. Basically senna drove in the perfect time for him in f1. This wouldn’t really work today other then slow corners where the power can beat the downforce and rain and that’s not including the other factors like tires melting apart and the cars having such quick steering now that it would be a lot harder to not over correct into the wall. This would still very much work in the rain since it takes alot of throttle control to be fast in the rain and u can still get a ton of wheel spin in the rain even on straights. If ur also into sim racing or racing on a game u can get a similar effect like if you drive the carpenters stock car on PC1. If you take the car to Sonoma and use the carousel layout you will kinda know what I’m talking about. The hill right before the massive braking zone you have 2 options. You either lift partial throttle or drag the brake. If you hold the gas you will just spin the car out from the power and the lack of grip. If you stab the gas you can carry more speed then others not spin and it also kinda helps u turn the car. It’s easy to wreak kinda if u get carried away but if u use the perfect amount of it, it basically frees the car up and gives you a little more speed. You can also see how the back wheels turn the car if you go into first gear and mash the gas and turn the wheel any direction it turns the car that way. In the rain it’s even more effective causing u to spin so much and so fast. It’s basically what he did just on a very very controlled perfectly precise scale. Too much he would of spun out and too little he would’ve just over drove a lot of corners cause the car wouldn’t of rotated and it would’ve caused him to be slower on exit. The more the throttle wants to turn the car the better if u know how to control it. This technique is also very much used in oval racing like nascar where u have to lift a ton. Drivers like Jimmie Johnson would purposely run a car that had less grip so he could get a similar effect just with the throttle. He would use the brake to turn the car. This is very similar to how people grow up learning how to race on dirt ovals. This is why at a track like Dover he was so fast. You use alot of throttle and brake to turn the car. Brake usually on entry to set the car then throttle to keep the car rotated. That’s the key tho Jimmie grew up racing dirt stuff. Same with the race car driver Kyle Larson he is very fast in nascar and alot of dirt racing guys are coming in and having loads of success in nascar cause it’s very similar kinda with how u need a lot of throttle control to drive those cars. They have a lot of off throttle time and no grip so anything u can find to help u turn the car and go faster gives u a lot of speed. Now senna had a lot more of spike inputs the drivers I named tend to do it but not to the degree of senna. They do it only when needed and it’s really kinda small spikes and it’s mixed kinda with the normal way of slowly easing back on it but the point is they still are using the throttle and brake to turn the car. The difference is senna developed this with not ever driving anything like that before so that’s why for f1 it was so damn strange. We don’t really know if he used the brake to turn the car or to get this effect. From what I know I don’t think he used the brake in a special way either he was just hard on it and really aggressive but there isn’t anything about him ever using the brake to turn the car. Besides I don’t think that would work well in a f1 car trying to use the brake to turn it. That only works on places where they don’t use super heavy braking and in f1 u do so he couldn’t really do that or he would end up with brakes that didn’t really worked or brakes that when u brake spin u out cause of the brake bias difference from front to back u need to achieve braking and having it help rotate the car but not slow u down or completely spin you out. To achieve that he would of needed a very advanced brake bias adjusting system something he didn’t have so imma assume he never also used the brake to help him turn the car just the gas only. Both work pretty well really well when mixed together but that’s not really too possible to do in f1 and if he did do it sometimes it wasn’t enough for people to notice or know about him and it’s harder to know when onboard footage and telemetry wasn’t as common back then. We really only have one graph showing his throttle the rest we never really seen. Basically to end this senna would’ve been super successful in any motorsport that had little to no downforce also. Senna could’ve came to something like nascar or really anything and been successful. This is why usually f1 drivers when they get into low downforce cars or nascars or anything they really aren’t successful and this is why now when nascar drivers or any low downforce driver gets into high downforce race cars like Jimmie in Indy they aren’t successful either. It’s not that they are bad drivers or anything they both just learned too different disciplines that don’t really follow each other too well at all anymore. When f1 cars and less downforce and u could still wreak in the majority of corners from the tires having too much power alone it was different. You really only can drive f1 cars a few ways now unlike before when everyone kinda had a way to make speed. I wish f1 would go back to the other way more cause it made for some better racing and it just allowed driver talent to mean way more then car unlike now where if ur in a haas ur pretty much last all the time. It was always about car advantage but it’s so much now that it’s just kinda insane and no random winners really sneak in once I’m awhile like they used to. Sometimes u would have random people sneak in for a f1 win but not anymore more. U also had a lot more back markers come and go and be replaced. It rewarded skill way more then it does now. Senna special talent he had wouldn’t really be rewarded much. The only time it still is kinda is in the rain and u have seen how much the running order changes compared to what it usually is in the rain. Hell lando almost won a race in the rain cause of it any other time tho he is kinda mid top 10s. F1 will never do that tho. Reason is it would involve less corner speed cause u wound have to take a good portion of the downforce out so the power always beats the downforce and can spin the car no matter what or add more power to the cars so they can beat the downforce. With the direction of how f1 is going and how much horsepower they would even need to do that to beat the downforce they have now is mathematically not really too efficient or probably not even possible to do that for multiplayer laps especially with a v6. They already push those small motors so hard enough on its own. You would probably need a tubo v12 or 10 hybrid and that wont ever happened and even then idk if they could do it efficiently without needing a ton of money and then without them tearing themselves apart over the length of a race.
The cars with less downforce in the past required driver to be more aggressive to get an extra edge on the laptimes. However, Senna would adapt and still find an edge somewhere else in cars nowadays. The cars of 1994 already required the smooth driving styles , look at the onboards. you will see his driving style was already adapting. All because of driving aids and electronics.
Fascinating video. Thanks for this. It would be interesting to see how quickly Senna could adapt his driving to match what a modern car can do. I'm thinking it would be pretty quick.
Michael was driving many different cars and adapted the style… Alonso as well, even Le Mans LMP cars and etc. so I reckon that Senna would found himself quite handy in this cars
I think drivers like Prost would shine in today's formula. He was quite ahead in terms of car set-up during his era, with all the data he would have today, and the excuses we have for tyres, he would be untouchable in a good package.
So I’ve raced dirt/asphalt both in 3 series really seriously. I love every series btw any true racer will love every series on the planet. My dad always told me “nobody likes a one trick pony!” I’ve raced sprint, legend, Winged sprint, midgets, open wheel, nitro drag, but stock cars captured my heart because I have a endurance personality but the low downforce and your sliding everywhere with zero technology. It really showcases the driver talent hence why most everyone that’s been successful they have dirt background. F1 part of of the Game is who can build the fastest car around a corner while maintaining full control. So the crew chief/engineer have a serious hand in the outcome. As in every series but F1 it’s on another level the amount of involvement they have. I will never piss on any series because that’s not how any real driver is. I don’t care what type of car or aircraft if it will drive or fly then I wanna take it for a joy ride. But I do miss the F1 of the 80s 90s where the driver skill could really change the outcome. Today it’s more about whoever built the fastest car is who will win where senna who had a very Dale Earnhardt driving style the way he would get the car out of shape and wag its tail. Also senna & Dale would do the same things as far as not wrecking people but they would fill a hole and wait for the person to come down on them and wreck themselves. Senna and dale could take 5th place cars and win it’s them just because the raw car control ability. Thankfully every racing series is taking a hard look like the gen 7 car is pretty difficult to drive again. The gen 5 &6 got easier but we wanted it back to the sliding days. F1 and Indy also made changes to try and make the cars difficult and the bonus is less interference from strange aerodynamic art pieces.
The whole thing about older cars looking so much on the edge due to the roughness of how they've driven, and how we've been hearing that the 2022 cars are a lot tougher to drive, makes me really excited to see a new era of quali laps really feeling like they're on the ragged edge again
One driver I am certain would be fast in this car (and any car for that matter) is Jim Clark. The man could drive anything, touring cars, Indy Car, Sports cars, and of course, his super light green Lotus. I am sure he could drive Lewis' black Mercedes almost as fast as him.
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For me, Clark is the best driver of all time. Just listen to how others talk about him. In a very competitive era (Hill, Gurney, Stewart, Surtees, Hulme, Brabham, Rindt), he had no peer. If the Lotus was up to it, he destroyed everyone.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Either him or Fangio, but I feel Stirling Moss is criminally underrated. Just look at the 1955 1000 milga or the 1961 Monaco GP just to gve you an idea of how good he was. I also am a pretty big Alonso enjoyer as well. Not in the same era as Clark/Fangio/Moss, but still his achievments are fantastic, only Hamilton ever got close to him as a teammate and he could beat Schumacher, Vettel and Button in cars which were sometimes slower. If we ever see a driver of this kind of caliber again, we've gotta apprecieate them
Clark was really smooth and careful with the suspension, that guy would transfert well in today's car... Fangio? A bit less, that was an era were driver were putting car sideways. Not a great idea today, but with the skinny tires and the big front engine it totally make sense. He also was a senior in a sport full of junior...
If senna came back tomorrow in his prime he would put the Maclaren on pole straight away and the other drivers on the grid would be quite intimidated by his powerful personality and strong character.
No he wouldn't. As good as he was, he still couldn't win on inferior machinery in his era and if you think today's drivers arent comparable you would be sorely mistaken
@@Sephiroth32vergil he did win many races whilst not having the fastest car! check your history books on the subject as it's well documented and his status is greater than any driver driving today.
@@chrisfleming5109 I meant win championships. Gasly won a race on an alpha tauri, is he now automatically greater than others because of this? His status is also not greater than those today. Prost beat him in his own era multiple times. Senna is great, but he would not be dominating guys like Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen on inferior machinery.
@@Sephiroth32vergil if you are talking about championships as you say you should not be answering my first post because it clearly indicates I'm talking about qualifying and poles. if you want to talk about wins and championships you need to make your own statements rather than try to argue with me about something I was not talking about in the first place!
@@chrisfleming5109 1993 in a Mclaren he only had 1 pole in 18 rounds, my point still stands. He didn't intimidate the likes of Piquet, Mansel and Prost. He isn't gonna intimidate the likes of Verstappen, Hamilton and Alonso.
I was in Zandvoort in 2021 standing at the entry of turn 1 (tarzan). You could really sea Max nailing the apex every lap whereas the rest of the field was at least half a meter of the apex!
your max cant do what senna could do,driving inferioir car in 1992 monaco exausting mannsel with the fast car,during trophy,Senna was pouring the champagne while mannsel was lying on the ground because,Senna's driving style tired mannsel with a car much stronger then Senna's car..boy,you are dutch fan I understand but so far we have seeing nothing about max,he has a faster car and his only strong teammate was daniel riccardio and we saw how they battled to each other,max,schumacher and even lewis cant match Senna's talent..
@@rembrandrembrand It makes me sad that you would think that i am just a Max fan😔. Of course i'm rooting for him and at the moment, there is no getting around the fact that he is the best driver on the grid, but i agree with you that Senna will always be the goat! The only ones that came close in my opinion are Clark, Stewart and Lauda. I don't watch F1 just for Max and i hate people who do. I watch F1 because i love the sport! I'm sorry if i gave you the impression that i'm one of the Max hooligans. So you're a Senna fan as well? What's your favourite Senna moment?
I'm sure he would have adapted his style accordingly but the cars took a whole lot more driving back then so I wouldn't really say it is a bad thing anyway. He was pure genius most of the time. He was the reason why I love F1. Rip the legend ✌️😎🙏
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I don't know if Senna's style would have worked in our modern F1, but I'm sure he wouldn't have let nobody pass him in the decisive last lap of the season.
Senna Qualifying lap at Adelaide ‘86 (or ‘85, I forgot) was the prime example of that “driving on the ragged edge” in the 80s. You know, that one footage from Top Gear which Clarkson & Brundle are discussing about Senna’s driving style. I don’t think that his style would fare well with current cars. But I’m certain that he’s going to adapt to the car characteristics.
Please answer me Which modern driver could even qualify with a car like Senna's? They would all have to change into a clean racing suit after a few laps.
At this hour, I am just pondering my interests in the sports.... But that recording of Senna jabbing rhe throttle on a supercharged car was like a double caffeen shot !
I see someone's trying to break the internet. 🙂 To answer the question, well, yes, of course. Don't be ridiculous. Senna's "odd" throttle use was just traction control in it's raw, purest form. Whatever today's cars could give him in that regard, he'd take it, wring it dry, and then find a way to extract even more performance; that's what he did, and that's a big part of what made him great, imho. You didn't ask if he was the GOAT, but I rather think he was. We never got to see him in Indy cars, but I don't doubt the he would have performed at least as well as Nigel and Emerson. A little trip down memory lane. Thanks!
Senna would still be at the top of the pile today because his driving style came out of necessity do to technology. He would have a different style driving today.
@It'stheVJ Senna? I wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure if he was still around he would have to be a little bit stoked that a 7 x WDC idolised him, but I think Max’s take-no-prisoners approach would impress him too, because it is similar to Senna’s own driving style
He hauled turbo brutes like the Lotus 97 and 98T around the track - cars with geological lag and less downforce than a kite. Excelled in normally aspirated V10s. Man handled the FW16 to 4 consecutive poles in 94 (a car which Newey described as a dog---- before the B upgrade) Adjusted readily from 6 speed manual transverse to semi-automatic transmissions. And put his car on pole 65 times out of 162 starts. Nah. Pretty sure Senna's style would work today.
Today the drivers do way more than just driving fast. The sport and cars have evolved so much. And the margins with the cars have become tiny compared to the Senna days. One tiny lockup and your third on the grid. But in the old days one even overtook drifting around the outside.
I would say the opposite. Sport has evolved yes. However during Sennas days you would actually have to work harder in and with the car. compared to nowadays. Back then it was way more dangerous as well, so to push the car it took more guts.
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@@mrRTvids with more grip and downforce, the limit becomes far less apparent and margins for error become smaller. Not to mention the sheer g-force of today's cars are ridiculous. I still think Senna would adapt. It is never easy to extract competitive lap times when everyone is at the top of their game, regardless of the car.
That was really interesting and informative, Scott. If Senna was racing in this era he surely would have adapted his driving style to the smooth approach current F1 cars need. But I doubt he'd ever have approved these tyres. He probably would have quit out of frustration. It's something most drivers of that era would have done. Driving to the limitations of the tyres was totally uncharacteristic of Formula 1 back then. If you could do a video on a topic that's rarely discussed, it would be great - how F1 chassis construction changed from the 70s and 80s to now. Back in the 70s and 80s, you could see many photographs where the outer body cover of the car is removed to reveal the monocoque beneath. You had the outer body cover fixed to the monocoque. We don't see such kinds of pics in modern F1. How has the construction changed?
Considering all the different things he adapted to over his career, I think he'd be dominant still because of his car control. I think you could bring prime Senna or Jimmy Clark into today's cars and they'd be front-runners.
As much as I like watching the differences in style through the years in F1. I agree it's difficult to compare old F1 cars to current. I think that's apparent when current drivers drive the older cars. They don't look like they are on the edge because it's so different from the current car. I still would like to see current grid in street cars like old top gear leader board hot lap times.
My father was a big Stirling Moss fan, and i have been following F1 since the early sixties, but it is so revelatory to hear a real driver talk about technique. Thanks for your insight.
The mere fact that he could drag the Toleman around the circuit on the same day as anything else is testament to his sheer brilliance. Evidence? Monaco '84. You're welcome.
That's not actually a fair example, because of the wet weather. The contract they had with (I believe) Michelin meant their dry-weather tyres were not current spec. However, the wet tyres were the same for all Michelin runners, whichi is part of why Senna did so well at Monaco in '84. To my shame, I can't give an example of a dry race where he wowed everyone in that car, but I did read about a post-season test where we smashed a lap record for that car.
@@fjbslgie, Alain Prost won the race, after it was stopped early. It's widley believed that, given one or two more laps, Senna would've passed Prost for the lead. What is often overlooked though, is that Johansson was going even faster than Senna!
Actually, I think it would work. I've been analyzing why I do it in a normal car and it has nothing to do with weight transfer or keeping power from the engine. I do it because I get more grip from the tires in that split second when the tension of acceleration is lifted. In my mind it's like lifting tension of the bicycle chain when you shift gears to preserve the life of the chain. But in a car, the release of tension helps the tires push the car through a turn tighter.
Nikita style = Senna amiright?
Jokes aside, would you like to see more aggressive driving styles back in Formula 1?
good to know Nikita is on the level of senna
Absolutely....
For sure.
Well people literly complain when Verstappen and K Mag drove aggressive like this
Sure!
Through all his carrer, he adapted to everything. I'm certain he would figure something out.
Like what?
@@purwantiallan5089 that we may never know
Exactly
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@@purwantiallan5089 It's not what he drove, but how he drove. Basically fearless and coming through full-on. Aggressive and on a mission to win... he'd do the same today. People got the hell out of his way, listen to the interviews. One of the greatest drivers ever, yet you doubt him? lol.
What makes Senna so special is not only his driving skill but his ability to adapt with superhuman instinct!
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Agree. But also because putting those cars on the sheer ragged edge in a time when they were dangerous also played into it as well. Now that the cars are safer, drivers feel comfortable and safer to drive, you cannot account for the sheer guts of that driving style. In truth though, Prost was better on high-speed corners/tracks than Senna was (Senna was far better than Prost on technical circuits).
Senna drove some of the most imprecise and buckling cars perfectly, but surely he would not drive a modern car. A youtuber said so.
@@joaoebordignon I think we would be bored with todays cars. You can almost hear him saying "this isn't racing". Also Senna with DRS would just be a cheat code
If smoothness is the way to drive today's cars, can you imagine how fast the late, great Jim Clark would be? He was Mister Smooth back in the '60s, long before aero was considered fit to eat. Easy on both tyres and brakes, the man used minimal inputs to the steering wheel and pedals - and was the fastest of his era.
not to forget sir jackie stewart. He was also a really smooth driver.
and jim clarks idol the all great Juan Manuel Fangio was also a smooth driver, as well as sir Stirling Moss was. You can say till the mid 70s driving smooth was key.
@@simjani. Yep - patterned himself after Jim. Both wanted to win at the lowest speed necessary. They only pushed when they had to.
@@simjani. Ah, yes. But the four-wheel drift was a necessity back then. As was power-on oversteer. It would take them some time to adjust. But once they did, buh-bye!
Jimmy was so good he could easy beat Nikita Mazepin today in his farmyard tractor. I'm serious. Nikita would bin the car halfway through the race. When did Jimmy ever bin a car (or indeed, tractor).
Jackie Stewart wrote the book "Principles of performance Driving" where he explains why smoothness is quickest.
But I think Senna's aggressive style was more a function of the beast of cars that he was driving.
When Senna took you on a lap in a street car (there are videos) he drove it with the smoothness you'd expect.
There’s that video of him driving an NSX and he was doing the throttle stabbing technique with that too.
Read "The Technique of Motor Racing" by Piero Taruffi.
@@axelnussbaumer that’s because that nsx also has its powerband at such high rpm’s still so it makes some sort of sense to do that in the nsx
@@axelnussbaumer I have a hard time calling the NSX a street car, I mean I know it’s street legal but I’ve only seen one in my whole life and I’ve lived all over the place lol
Jackie wasn't the fastest of his era. It was Jim Clark.
You forgot to mention that in Senna's era, the cars were reasonably well dimensioned. Today's F-1 are
as long as city buses. Compare South Africa 1993 to one of today's races. Better still, 1990 USGP
where Alesi challenged Senna for much of the race. Sure the cars are "quicker" now, but exciting
true grit driving was back thirty years ago.
@@dansprague2 DTM, BTCC, SCCA, IMSA,WRC, 500cc/Motogp. Yeah! These and many
others are still ok. In the 1970s, 80s, and
90s these were awesome. Politics and retrograde leadership have curtailed their
shine quite a bit. The trend is to completely divorce racing from real life. Autonomous
Electric vehicles are going to lessen or even
eliminate racing in a not so distant future. Daytona, Le Mans might survive like Horse Racing has done, but don't see much more beyond that. Better to enjoy the present as much as possible. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
@@juanmontoya6622 There’s no way Monaco doesn’t survive if Daytona and LeMans do.
@@wjspade You could not have chosen a worst time to say that lol.
Yes. F1 is really unappealing these days. No wonder TV viewership has fallen by about 300,000,000 since 2009 I believe. You see how Indycar slowed their cars down and now their racing is exciting as ever? But it seems F1 will never realise Faster =/= Better. I would sell a kidney to have those light, small and nimble cars of late 90s/early to mid 2000s back. F1 has already peaked out and is now just slowly dying
@@R9naldo it's growing again since 2021 has gained 100-150 million viewers since 2017
It's not dying and it's pretty exciting again
I feel like Senna would probably be able to adapt to the current era if he were still around. Like you mentioned in the video he was good at adapting to cars given enough time. Though he might have an old man moment and say that the spirit of F1 has long moved away from what he once knew.
Agreed but it isn't about him as a driver but his driving style back then.
The point is that there is little to adapt to, since today's cars are as close to driving on rails as possible.
@@amjan somehow haas still can’t understand that
Yes, the best always adapt. The best drivers can extract 100% of car performance given enough time.
@@alexsch5583 fair enough tbh, though considering Senna and his technique were very closely intertwined its kinda hard to separate them
Max has said that he doesn’t have a driving style, because it’s so dependent on the car, the track and the conditions. And I think that goes for most of the drivers. Todays cars require a smooth style so I’m sure Senna would be smooth.
I mean it was always like that driving the smoother the better with high grip aero cars like F1. But the current cars are just so refined that you basically dont need to do any corrective actions. On the other hand it looks boring. Seeing drivers not really fighting the track / car. Only really fighting the tires.
@@LaggerSVK And I hope that changes with the new regulations. Less aerodynamic grip and a heavier car which might make it harder to correct. The drivers also say that the new cars are more nervous due to the bigger rims. Hopefully we’ll see more drivers fighting the car this season
@@Sverrehope the sidewall is smaller meaning it doesnt absorb much of energy which makes for some "nervous driving" but in general I wouldnt say the added weight would make it nervous. I would say the contrary but its not really that easily dependent on weight.
@@LaggerSVK well, it just doesn't seem that way from the insanely well balanced and stabilized T-cams. if you look at the helmet cams, the drivers are actually doing a lot more work than you'd think. the cars also have noticeable amounts of understeer and oversteer depending on the setup which become really apparently on push laps if you look close enough at the right times
@@dragonkrieg4444 yes, thats something but the driver inputs are extremly smooth compared to 90s. They are correcting only minimaly.
Senna drove on pure instinct. He could have adapted his driving style to any car from any era
Uh...Senna has over 400 starts in karting. He drove on anything but instinct. Probably had more wheel time than ANY driver he ever competed against.
@@shooter7a Yep, in the tests for Williams, Senna said "the car is getting slower and the engine is going to break" after he beat the track record, and he was right, after a check-up, the Williams mechanics found serious problems with the engine. Frank Williams was so surprised that he kept documents about Senna's tests as a trophy. :)
@@TortugaAW in karting he was known by his mechanics to be be so sensitive that he could feel if the rear tire stagger was off by just 5mm.
No such thing as instinct. He trained a lot, he took hardworking to a new level. The story about him being so good at rain races is pretty well known already, he spinned at a kart race when he was a boy, he got frustrated, so everytime it rained in São Paulo (which is not exactly uncommon, São Paulo was know as 'land of the rain' back then) he'd get his kart out and race for the sole purpose of getting better at it.
@@danielsantarosa101 He did the same after being already world champion several times and a estabilished driver - back at Interlagos 94 practice. It rained alot. All drivers were inside the pits, Senna went out on the pooring rain to have a "feel" for the Williams. It helped the show for the brasilian fans, but people should not kid themselves, Senna was not showing of there, he was testing the car in the rain.
He was an ungoing student of the sport until that very last 94 Imola race lap.
Watch Senna's fast lap footage from Monaco 1990. Todays drivers also keep both hands on the wheel instead of having to take one off to shift. Senna had the skill to create all those blistering lap times ONE HANDED. Big difference.
Drivers now though have to adjust like a million settings on their wheel in the middle of a lap though, that itself also adds a level of difficulty and requires alot of concentration even if they dont really have to take their hand off the wheel
@@srthebox4946More than 30/40 manual gear box changes for lap
Nope Not even close
@@realested current cars are much bigger, faster, more g's, lots of button while changing gears, unlike before they playing checkers, this modern drivers plays chess. Yes it has advance computer under the car but if you don't know and have concentration to operate it, you can't drive modern f1 cars. Unlike before it's super easy. I bet you can't drive manual car bruh.
@@srthebox4946 That is mostly computer controlled.
I remember when Eddie Cheever criticized Senna’s driving style, and all I could think of was, “And how many F1 Championships have YOU won, Eddie?”
I’m kinda getting the same vibe from this video, too!
Some things to correct and add - Senna changed his driving style significantly for the 93 and 94 season cars. He dropped his throttle pumping technique almost entirely (it was simply not needed) and he was very smooth with the steering wheel. And McLaren had already switched to paddle shifting since 92, so he was used to that. In fact back in those years drivers didn't even have to press paddles or buttons that much to shift gear - they had a system that would automatically go through the gears under deceleration or acceleration after just a single pressing of the appropriate button.
As for the tyres, it's actually quite the opposite - the softest compounds back then provided more mechanical grip than modern tyres. Modern tyres have to be extremely hard and rigid to sustain the high level of downforce, plus Pirelli just seem to be unable to produce a tyre that works with lower pressure without coming apart all of a sudden, so they run crazy high pressures, which removes mechanical grip even further.
Add to that the much longer and heavier cars compared to back then, and you get cars that are very sluggish and unresponsive at lower speeds. Back then the driver could make up a lot more of a difference because of that, rather than have to be restricted to prioritizing the aero package so much.
If you watch any of Senna's final year onboards, he's smooth as silk, so there's no doubt he could've easily adapted to modern day F1 cars. He was very good in preserving tyres already during the turbo years and seeing how important that aspect is nowadays, there's no reason for someone as talented as him to adapt. Of course this is talking about if Senna was driving modern F1 at his top form, not at an old age.
Google tho says that low pressure tyres give less grip because they use up less of their surface area? Idk anything, just wonder if you could say why that is, tho my brain would tell me that you are right.
@@JoelLinus It depends on the vertical load of the tyre and the properties of the tyre (e.g. shape, construction). It's always a compromise in an attempt to reach an optimal average pressure that works well for a given track layout and level of downforce, suspension stiffness and specific tyre. Of course if you underinflate, the middle part of the tyre is not gonna make as much contact with the surface, just as the outer layers won't if you overinflate.
The problem with modern tyres is that they're extremely overinflated, just to manage the very high levels of downforce of the cars. I suppose this may change this year with the shorter sidewall and reduced levels of downforce because of the rule changes.
A master class! A must read, I would say!
@@hristoitchov I'm no expert, but imo a good example of seeing tire type and certain inflation/deflation would be to watch a top-fuel drag car. The tires are purposefully underinflated because when the pedal gets jammed to the floor the tires go from a seemingly flat look to "growing" in height. In F1 those tires are also moving pretty damn fast (though not as fast as top-fuel), the air inside the tire will get hotter and "expand", like top-fuel, yes? You can add this to the discussion. ;}
@@SuedeStonn True to some extent, as it is a similar principle, but from what I’ve read on the topic, top-fuel drag car tyres are a special case, as they have to cope with thousands of horse power coming from the engine. In F1 the demand is mostly the high downforce, not so much the engine power (although that is a factor too of course). The difference in ride height between running cold and heated tyres is only a few millimetres. In short, the tyre construction in F1 is much stiffer/more rigid, compared to dragsters.
Senna adapted to a few different eras of cars. Of course he’d be fast today, his style wasn’t totally static.
Not a senna fan here, but i believe senna at least deserve more wdc than prost.
@@gentasepriandi999 He does, unfortunately his career hit a barrier
@@gentasepriandi999 Crazy thing is, Prost could easily have become a 7x WDC if it wasn't for bad luck
@@gentasepriandi999 again discredit prost
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The thing that amazes me the most about Senna was his mindset. He was always working very close with the mechanics and engineers, I am pretty sure he would give us a masterclass on f1 driving if was still around.
He was Mansell & Prost rolled into one.. Senna wasn't aggressive.. he was assertive.. like Prost in determining how a car should be set up.. but he could drive any car faster than anyone else in spite of any deficiencies as per Mansell.. one thing the 3 shared was their abilities to evolve strategies on the fly & setup passing lines
your comment about him working with the mechanics is true of all the top drivers, i think schumacher took it to the next level. as someone who would describe himself as a senna fan, i'd like to point out senna was a big baby. when he was in the mclaren and it was winning, all good. as soon as the williams was dominant, he cried and forced his way to williams. i think if senna was still with us, he would still be a 3 time world champion.
@@percyveer2355 a boy what a fool you are,1994 he raced against machine not driver,that year benetton used banned traction control illegal way,if benetton not used illegal traction car maybe Senna lived today,if senna had not that accident,maybe he was 10 times champion and schumacher no chance against him..
@@percyveer2355 Schumacher made his career using electronic suspension and other tech shenanigans to artificially correct mistakes. He won most races in the boxes. He was not outstanding, he was cold and efficient. Senna had more passion and heart, and he was obsessed with details, including his own training as a professional athlete. He created this persona that became the standard today. "Crybaby" is an emotional opinion, probably based on a personal preference for another driver. But the fact is, Senna was unhappy because of politics. You clearly haven't seen his documentary. The guy died trying to convince the F1 board that the drivers were in danger.
I remember my dad telling me about Senna and how he was the best F1 driver until his death. His favourite driver was Lewis Hamilton, so I asked him - who would be faster now, Senna or Hamilton? And even he said that Senna would probably be a little better. After all, there must be a damn good reason why McLaren named a car after him.
I feel like Senna could have had at least another title or two under his belt if he hadn't died.
> there must be a damn good reason why McLaren named a car after him.
Idk but that car felt a little underwhelming for me. Don't get me wrong, it is mighty fast, like, almost GT3 fast, but that's the thing, as pointed out by 1 Chris Harris, it's not as fast as a GT3 car. Though it never set a Ring time officially, I'm sure it would at least beat the GT2RS MR, but I kinda expected more from a car that was named Senna. Like, sure it's very fast, but I felt like it's a little bit slower than it should be. Damn it make it street illegal, make it faster than the GTEs, or failing that, make a race winner out of it. The P1 is 1/3 of the Holy Trinity, as it was the Senna was just a (very) fast track toy, hypercar maybe, but Senna was not a regular F1 driver, just like the car should not be a regular hypercar.
Then again, McLaren's Speedtail is not that impressive either, maybe McLaren is just not killing it with their hypercars. Their supercars rock tho
Senna is a legend he would make the new f1 cars look like toys he knows what to do may he rest in peace amazing driver long live Senna
No he wouldn’t
@@JL-gf3ycyes he would.
@@gconcs no he wouldn’t, too up himself
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@@JL-gf3yc He would... In the 10 years he drove on F1 he had to adjust his driving style to many different cars, so yeah, he would make these new cars look liek toys...
I think Senna would have changed/created his own style with the new cars that matched the cars.
Yes. He did it with the transition from the F3 cars to the powerfull F1 turbo cars. He did it with the transition to the non turbo cars. He did it when racing V8s, V10s and V12 engines. He did it when changing to fully electronic comanded F1 cars (which wielded better results when driving smoothly - in the case of the MP4/8). He did it when the fuel strategy for the races changed for (94) - the Interlagos race (althought not finishing) was a great measure of it. Ayrton was always on the race for the win, never being more than 8 seconds (give or take) form the german driver on the race and with a very good/ consistent race pace - when the german had an ilegal car and the FW16 was a mess at the start of that season.
There is no way whatsoever he would not adapt. Ayrton was an ongoing student of the sport - even after being a multiple world champion and a star of the sport. He changed the game on multiple levels back then.
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb yeah you're absolutely right, even though his jerky driving style was iconic, his true driving style is his ability to adapt to literally anything.
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb He was incredible to watch, will always miss him.
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I don't know why, but these old cigarette advertising color styles on the old F1 cars are so much more appealing than todays color schemes.
And as always a great video!
I've noticed this too. I just don't think the "lines" of today's cars are very aesthetic. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but the F1 cars from about 1989-1999 were just gorgeous. Not only the liveries, but the actual bodywork of the cars was unique and like a sculpture.
Just as the helmet colour schemes today are painfully bland and unmemorable.
@@amjan Have you ever seen a Hamilton helmet? 😅
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 speak for yourself .
No disrespect but the older F1 card honestly looked like Twigs , thin front wing , thin bodywork , thin wheels they looked so freaking delicate and just don’t feel right .
In comparison the modern F1 cars actually look like RACING MACHINES .
@@mrdude9671 They look like obese semi-trucks, but okay. Get your eyes checked.
His pole at Jerez in 1990 is one of the highest displays of skill I've ever seen
the most important things you forgotten? in Sennas aera there was no Traction contol, no Abs, no automatic gears... That was also one of the reasons why the cars moved so differently...
Senna was an adaptive driver; he could get everything out of any car. With today's cars, it would be a walk in the park for him. I doubt anyone would come close or share a corner the way he did.
It is like the god is in the track please fight for second place
I would really love to see you make a video about Kimis driving style and preferences compared to most drivers of nowadays before the next season!
Kimi has a hyper sensitive driving style, so yes, it should make for an interesting video.
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Of course, Senna's driving style wouldn't work today but I can assure you he would have adapted and still dominated just as he did back then. He could drive the wheels off anything and proved it multiple times. Still my all time favorite driver period.
Not every elite driver can adapt. Look at Vettel....
His operating window is so small that he loses performance to his team mate if his car is not set up specfically.
To a degree, you are right. How well he would perform is an unknown though, it’s just a different sport than it was then.
Well we don’t know that if it won’t work, I think there would have to be a quicker version for it to work in todays cars that have to involve the feet moving at a much faster pace since the cars are quicker today
Max Verstappen would still be quicker
@@Sum_Ting_Wong Not just Vettel. *Button* and *Raikkonen* can also become borderline average when the car is not 100% to their liking. There's *less* than a handful of current F1 drivers that could be successful in any era.
As an old racer I remember watching and studying Senna at the hairpin corner in Montreal 1989 F1 race. His techniques was like none other. He would dive in and diamond the corner with a quick flick and straight-line the exit with at a faster speed...... Amazing...
Senna is on another level, he could handle today's cars given enough time to get the feel. There's a reason he's the GOAT 🐐
about 2 laps
you misspelled Schumachers name. Common mistake no worries
Goats but into things, Senna hit walls and other cars, there have been much better drivers.
@@barrierodliffe4155 never seen shummy wining anything with a worse car
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Barrichello was the last driver not to do left-foot braking which is obvious in the graph at 1:28. The top guys have an incredible feel that simply lets them hold the car on the edge. That feel for the car, tires, and track is also what makes most of the great drivers also great rain drivers.
Senna throttle technique was long before turbo cars. He did it in karts all the way up.
I believe it was just more than a simple turbo spool spin up advantage. Allows the feel of the surface and level of grip as it changes throughout the race.
@@whatfffd it was done to get the rear end moving, like having slight oversteer in the middle of the corners
@@IronMan-dl1wx when doing spirited drives through the mountain roads. i do this alot. its like you are steering the car with the throttle. not drifting but kinda weird to explain. the car has grip but its rotating more based on throttle. dunno if it was the front digging in more or the real slipping. i do it with rwd and awd and its a similar feel.
You move weight with it so the car has better balance in corners. There is a Driver61 video about it, i dont know why he only mentioned the turbo lag here...
@@StreetDreamzTT yeah more like power sliding works well for low to medium speed corners, it's a common technique among drifters and rally drivers
I often wonder how todays drivers would fair in a field of old F1 cars
Not sure. But I feel like F1 has for some time been moving from the individual skill of the driver to a strategy type of sport. Its not huge but I think you see more races won these days through special strategies than you used to.
@@harryfluellen Max seems to have a habit of being fast right away in pretty much everything. You hear these stories by Marko and others where he had his first ever testing in a single seater, a Formula Renault, and being faster than established F2 and F3 drivers straight away. As in litteraly his first flying lap. George and Charles have similar stories about them.
@@harryfluellen yes. Even Ayumu Uehara also tested one with Senna's 1994 Williams car.
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@@harryfluellen F2 and F3 cars are also smaller.
I would like to see modern day drivers put in lap times close to his in f1 cars from the 90s, now that would be something.
He never said Senna wouldn’t be fast today. He just said that if Senna drove nowaday’s cars using the same technique he used back then, it wouldn’t have the same effect. Surely Senna would drive today’s cars to the very limit and more.
Hamilton's McLaren days driving style was 180° opposite of today , so I think senna would have adopted too.
Adaptibility is what differentiates great drivers from good drivers.
Hamilton is above average drive at best look when he didn't have a championship car and team mate button, button beat him and scored more points over the 3 years as team mates. Nico was never a race winner till Mercedes became top 3 car. Hamilton has had the best cars his entire career bar 2009 but he would struggle in most mid teams
@@radroast7354 Anybody who doesn't recognise Hamilton's talent is nothing but Clueless , no point to argue .
@@radroast7354 Oh, just shut up.
@@muriloctn what can't handle facts look what bottas does after Mercedes and before, bloke has more podiums and similar race wins as villeneuve and more poles yet as a driver wasn't as good. Like I said hamilton is above avrage driver his 2009-2013 prove that with a top 3 car he's ok but his team mate can beat him. Mercedes where nicco beat him is embarrassing like honesty nicco was worse then bottas from 2006 to 2012.
The great drivers could drive in any era. It's not like humans have evolved into super racers now lol. Senna's style was because of the equipment he drove. Yeah the driving style he used wouldn't work in today's cars and vise versa so it's really a pointless video. Drivers adapt to whatever they are driving whether it's a F1 car or a tractor.
Can you make a video about Checo Perez and his technique to keep pushing hard and still saving his tires? I still don't know how He does that.
Yes.
He does that by not being aggressive to the corners, soft breaking, and adjusting the car at the exit of the corner to accelerate while the tyres are straight.
He is constantly reducing lateral load on tires taking different lines. Lines he is able to take depend on the speed he's carrying, which is controlled by his brake inputs.
@paper plane that's honestly a valid theory. the SF1000 was great on tires because the damn thing was so slow and didn't have the downforce to push the tire enough for degradation to be a concern
@paper plane in France he let the front 3 drop him to guarantee a podium and possibly 2nd. Mercedes had to let Bottas go for the win which used up the Finns tyres more.
Had Max not taken nearly 2 laps on Valtteris bumper it might have been a Redbull 1-2.
I started doing the V shape myself in Simracing without even knowing it's a real racing technique. I accidentally discovered it by braking a bit too late and noticed to gain time on faster exit/earlier throttle.
@@user-cw2nl8jr7h well all of the cars on the track are different, different tires, different aerodynamics ect. there are a lot of factors that go into it. Lewis is working around mercedes' car, if he was in a haas or a mclaren im sure he would change up his cornering style
I did it because I was used to rally games
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A Racer is a Racer is a Racer… he would be a champion no matter what era past, present or future.
Scott! I’d be really interested if you could make a video on Ricciardo’s driving style and why he’s struggling so much at Mclaren, I’m sure a lot of fans would love your insights as well
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The Race already made a video about that, though it won't hurt if there's multiple videos with different analysis
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In general I believe these driving style videos are amazing
Senna would adapt his style and show everyone how its done!!
Or the cars would adapt to his style...
Go away.
@@arconeagain Very intelligent reply.
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There is great video of Senna doing throttle blips in corners when testing Acura NSX. Camera focused right on his feet. It’s amazing driving.
The reason why all drivers are the same now is because the majority of the car is pre-programmed with specific input they are taught to adapt to. In older cars most of how the car was driven was the drivers input and then the car was adjusted to the drivers driving style. Now F1 drivers are taught to drive & adjust to how a car should drive based on pre-programmed data & input not how they feel the car should drive/handle. Although it would take some adjustment for sure, someone like Senna would easily adjust & be successful in todays cars much quicker than say Lewis or Max could jump in Senna’s Lotus or McLaren. It’s why Senna use to like his seat right against the floorboard because he could feel minute changes in the track through his butt, which may sound crazy to most but anyone who has raced especially go-karts can attest too. It allowed him to know where he could run through a line if he needed the car lower to or higher off track to create more or less downforce/grip. Rick Mears said of Senna when he did the Indycar test with Penske how after 2 laps having never driven an Indycar before he was only 3 tenths of a second off the pole time for the race earlier that year came in mentioned how much heavier the car was than an F1 car, and how much softer the brakes were, he then asked the engineer to chance 1 or 2 things with the front & rear wing & went out did 1 lap and matched the pole time. Came in got out of the car, Mears asked if anything was wrong, Senna said “No…I think I got what I needed.” Went back and raced for McLaren for ‘93. The rest is history as they say. Even Lewis himself said after driving Senna’s MP4 how couldn’t even begin to imagine driving that car through Monaco with 1 hand off the steering wheel 90% of the race to change gears w/o missing a shift on a track so rough (bumpy). Also for those who have never seen it, you should watch the video of Senna doing a test drive in an Acura NSX from back in the day. It’s a sick video.
Senna found the optimal way to drive every car he ever raced in and he studied data more than any other driver of his era. In Monaco he averaged driving 2 inches closer to the barriers than any other driver at the turns. You are right the cornering technique he used at the time may not suit todays F1 cars but there was so much more to Senna than that tactic. In 1984 at the Nürburgring race of champions with everyone driving an equal car,, a last minute unknown replacement Senna won the race against F1 champions from past and present, including Prost.
Senna’s throttle technique was something he picked up from karting and it just so happened to work really well with the turbo cars. But even when they became naturally aspirated in 1989, he kept that throttle technique and was still way quicker than then teammate prost.
Exactly. He did it in every car while on track, from the NA Civic, karts, to the turbo monsters in F1 so it obviously couldn’t be just to spool the turbo.
@@indiebekonn I also have no doubt that he could get everything out of any car. Put him in today's car and on he'll be half a second quicker than his teammate regardless of who that is,
@@indiebekonn mentioning a Civic... Look at the famous NSX video with the pedal cam... You can clearly see him stomping the crap out of that accelerator pedal!
@@trrruls oh that as well, but I just love the one video of him racing Nakashima in a Civic, where filmed from the outside you can so clearly hear the stomps on the throttle.
Berger was Sennas fastest teammate overall(who did more than 10 races against Ayrton) at 0.595 off and 0.285 off in 1990. Strangely, his best season was 1992 where he was 0.7 seconds slower than Senna .
Prost could have been closer than his 0.605 second gap but favored setup over being 0.35-0.4 seconds off and being slower in the race. This was exemplified in 1989 where Senna had special engines, 6 wins but only 7 podiums. Prost had far more podiums but couldn't beat Ayrton head to head.
Their lines may have been different but their head to head battles as teammates show Hakkinen, Berger,Mansell and Prost had similar one lap pace and throttle technique. Berger was more rough ,Prost very smooth -with Mansell and Hakkinen in the middle;but they all lifted off unlike Senna. Mansell shaded Prost by a tiny margin in qualifying but was destroyed on Race day. Mansell got the front rows and Poles but Prost would qualify 4th when Mansell was 6th.
Other than the famous Portugal lap, Hakkinen was very similar to 1990 Berger in qualifying pace relative to Ayrton.
So
1. Hakkinen 0.268 seconds...only 3 races
2. Berger 0.595 seconds. Went all out
3 Prost 0.607 seconds. I believe a couple tenths faster if he went all out.
4. Hill 0.92 seconds
5. DeAngelis 1.195 seconds. Was close on points
6. Andretti 1.38 seconds. Not close on points...loved to crash
7. DeCicotta 1.9 seconds
8. Dumfries 3.90 seconds. Was dominant in 400 kg 180 bhp cars. F1 too big a step.
9. Nakaijama. 4.03 seconds. Very experienced outside F1 but too slow. Was usually 1.5- 2 seconds off Piquet later in his career.
So Prost had a textbook technique you would teach. Sennas throttle blipping would make any driver slower...except him. It was a one in 200 million brain phenomenon.
We are talking about his driving style, but we are forgetting his tremendous agressive style atacking and defending his position. That is champion stuff.
1992 monaco gp Senna vs Mannsel with stong car,after chequered flag,mannsel was exausted and Senna was pouring champagne through his body,while mannsel was sitting on the ground because he was exausted because of Senna's drive ability,Senna was a unlucky guy,1994 if benetton not used illegal banned traction control,Senna was alive today,Senna drove that year not against schumacher but against traction control
Senna would adapt. His driving style was a constant adaptation to the changing forces in the car , did it even in the wet
He would adapt of course, but adapting means abandoning the aggresive driving techniques that was part of what made him so entertaining to watch.
Him darting into a corner, then almost drifting while intermittently revving the engine and then sudden accelerating again.
Adapting means smooth in, and smooth out. The exact same optimal but boring driving style as everyone else.
In the 80s and early 90s everything those cars lacked, they basically said add more power to compensate.
Today’s machines, driver aids, faster, more downforce, more stable, more predictable, paddle shift, less nervous and twitchy, less power and more linearity in power delivery to wrestle.
He probably would’ve been even more competitive as those cars are widely known to have been more challenging to drive. Imo.
Rubens Barrichello, Mr. Smooth and Senna's protégé would have been awesome.
Sennas style was based on what worked at the time though so it's safe to say he'd be doing what would work today
He was some driver, I’ll never forget watching him duel it out with a very young M Schumacher from up in the grandstand at Silverstone back in 1993 #legends
I was there myself! I remember cheering when we saw smoke billowing out of a Williams as we thought it was Prost. Also remember Johnny Herbert waving to the crowd during the parade, and the sound of those engines was like nothing I'd ever heard before!
@@Just_lift_anyone wow great memory, I just remember a moment when Michael Schumacher was very young and chasing Senna and you could see the skills and he almost lost the car on a corner but quickly recovered it...
@@GavinJGallagher little did we know how much he would dominate F1! Did you see the Touring car race after with the Toyota flying onto its roof?!
@@GavinJGallagher who almost lost the car - senna or Schumacher?
@@jlemmi it was Schumacher, he was pushing so hard I remember the rear slid out for a split second but he managed to correct it - I was in the grandstand on the first corner (Abbey) and it happened right in front of me…
It would have been interesting to see Senna (If he was still alive) do the demo runs that Brundle occassionaly does for Sky F1. However I have a feeling like what a lot of the comments has already said he would have worked out a way to be rapid in a modern F1 car (Same with Schumacher while in his prime G, Hill Clarke Lauda etc).
It would have been interesting to see how Gilles Villeneuve would fair if he drove the modern cars, he was known for being very aggressive and making up for it with his unbelievable car control but I’d like to see how he would pan out today
Not well. The problem is that the shitty pirellis require a specific driving style AND weight distribution for the cars. Otherwise they turn into half boiled eggs
Barracello was faster than shoemaker. Just ferrari spent all the money on schumachers car.
It might sound weird but maybe the reason vettel spins a lot with this new era cars might be his V shape driving style . for V type you need to slow more than usual and you lose a lot of downforce while doing it so you have to battle with the torque without the downforce you have . Blown diffuesers were really good for him because even though you get aggresive on power it delivers more downforce via exhaust to floor
If you watch replays of Vettel with telemetry, you can see how he always gives at least half power, and then waits until the car settles to go slowly to full power.
But the modern cars need a slowly progression from 0 power.
it's the cars for real. In his McLaren days Lewis was known for that sharp V line, but in his Mercedes he has a more gentle curve because the car doesn't pivot as well.
The case around driving styles is certainly relevant due to how different the cars that drivers like Senna, Clark and Lewis drove. However, genuine talent does play out in any era and Senna would certainly be fast nowadays.
The greatest race drivers were the greatest not because of their style but because they were able to adapt their driving style.
I would like to see this young F1 drivers drive an F1 from late 80s to early 90s manual gear and see if they adapt to that car.
Obviously Ayrton would adjust to whatever technolgy is available so you can't say that.
Senna was an extremely talented driver and I am confident that if you could put him in a modern F-1 car, he would quickly adapt his driving style to the new demands.
I would love a video explaining what separates the top drivers today from their peers. With the cars becoming so refined, the optimal driving technique seems to be more logical and attainable. What makes Lewis and Max better drivers? What can I look for in a race to compare styles and abilities?
Great videos. Your channel has been my favorite for gaining F1 knowledge. Keep up the great work!
Senna's throttle technique actually started when he was karting. He would do that to get the kart to rotate better. It was a habit that he never broke.
This was cause he used the gas to essentially steer the car lol. It was a very genius technique if done right. It had nothing to do with turbo if anything the turbo just happened to fall into his favor. It worked cause f1 cars back then didn’t have the downforce but they had the power so he drove it with the throttle helping him turn it better and basically purposely stepping ever so slightly over the limit to slide the car on purpose ever so slightly to carry small amounts of speed and making the car turn better. He basically slightly drifted it and had such control in slides that it worked. That’s why he was so good in the rain cause he did the same thing just he could do it even better cause there was more off throttle time and the rain made the car turn even more under power in corners you wouldn’t even have to really let up beforehand so he gained even more time while other drivers were basically almost half or off the throttle he was right on the edge of control. It’s also why at a place like Monaco he was so fast cause the track as a lot of slower speed corners and a lot of on and off throttle and sharp corners so the fact that he could ever so slightly turn the car more and carry small amounts of speed payed off. This style was so extreme tho that a percentage more and you would spin and a percentage lower and you would be slower as it wouldn’t work. He has to perfect it almost every lap and constantly be sliding the car ever so slightly. It’s why alot of his onboard footage his car seems to be sliding around alot more then everyone else and he is always usually it seems countering a slide. It’s what oval dirt car drivers do or any dirt car drivers do is constantly more on throttle and mashing the gas to help the car turn. The fact that he was able to apply this to pavement in just the perfect amount to not spin or be slower was pretty astonishing. He was lucky the tires were hard rocks too cause he would’ve melted them down. Basically senna drove in the perfect time for him in f1. This wouldn’t really work today other then slow corners where the power can beat the downforce and rain and that’s not including the other factors like tires melting apart and the cars having such quick steering now that it would be a lot harder to not over correct into the wall. This would still very much work in the rain since it takes alot of throttle control to be fast in the rain and u can still get a ton of wheel spin in the rain even on straights. If ur also into sim racing or racing on a game u can get a similar effect like if you drive the carpenters stock car on PC1. If you take the car to Sonoma and use the carousel layout you will kinda know what I’m talking about. The hill right before the massive braking zone you have 2 options. You either lift partial throttle or drag the brake. If you hold the gas you will just spin the car out from the power and the lack of grip. If you stab the gas you can carry more speed then others not spin and it also kinda helps u turn the car. It’s easy to wreak kinda if u get carried away but if u use the perfect amount of it, it basically frees the car up and gives you a little more speed. You can also see how the back wheels turn the car if you go into first gear and mash the gas and turn the wheel any direction it turns the car that way. In the rain it’s even more effective causing u to spin so much and so fast. It’s basically what he did just on a very very controlled perfectly precise scale. Too much he would of spun out and too little he would’ve just over drove a lot of corners cause the car wouldn’t of rotated and it would’ve caused him to be slower on exit. The more the throttle wants to turn the car the better if u know how to control it. This technique is also very much used in oval racing like nascar where u have to lift a ton. Drivers like Jimmie Johnson would purposely run a car that had less grip so he could get a similar effect just with the throttle. He would use the brake to turn the car. This is very similar to how people grow up learning how to race on dirt ovals. This is why at a track like Dover he was so fast. You use alot of throttle and brake to turn the car. Brake usually on entry to set the car then throttle to keep the car rotated. That’s the key tho Jimmie grew up racing dirt stuff. Same with the race car driver Kyle Larson he is very fast in nascar and alot of dirt racing guys are coming in and having loads of success in nascar cause it’s very similar kinda with how u need a lot of throttle control to drive those cars. They have a lot of off throttle time and no grip so anything u can find to help u turn the car and go faster gives u a lot of speed. Now senna had a lot more of spike inputs the drivers I named tend to do it but not to the degree of senna. They do it only when needed and it’s really kinda small spikes and it’s mixed kinda with the normal way of slowly easing back on it but the point is they still are using the throttle and brake to turn the car. The difference is senna developed this with not ever driving anything like that before so that’s why for f1 it was so damn strange. We don’t really know if he used the brake to turn the car or to get this effect. From what I know I don’t think he used the brake in a special way either he was just hard on it and really aggressive but there isn’t anything about him ever using the brake to turn the car. Besides I don’t think that would work well in a f1 car trying to use the brake to turn it. That only works on places where they don’t use super heavy braking and in f1 u do so he couldn’t really do that or he would end up with brakes that didn’t really worked or brakes that when u brake spin u out cause of the brake bias difference from front to back u need to achieve braking and having it help rotate the car but not slow u down or completely spin you out. To achieve that he would of needed a very advanced brake bias adjusting system something he didn’t have so imma assume he never also used the brake to help him turn the car just the gas only. Both work pretty well really well when mixed together but that’s not really too possible to do in f1 and if he did do it sometimes it wasn’t enough for people to notice or know about him and it’s harder to know when onboard footage and telemetry wasn’t as common back then. We really only have one graph showing his throttle the rest we never really seen. Basically to end this senna would’ve been super successful in any motorsport that had little to no downforce also. Senna could’ve came to something like nascar or really anything and been successful. This is why usually f1 drivers when they get into low downforce cars or nascars or anything they really aren’t successful and this is why now when nascar drivers or any low downforce driver gets into high downforce race cars like Jimmie in Indy they aren’t successful either. It’s not that they are bad drivers or anything they both just learned too different disciplines that don’t really follow each other too well at all anymore. When f1 cars and less downforce and u could still wreak in the majority of corners from the tires having too much power alone it was different. You really only can drive f1 cars a few ways now unlike before when everyone kinda had a way to make speed. I wish f1 would go back to the other way more cause it made for some better racing and it just allowed driver talent to mean way more then car unlike now where if ur in a haas ur pretty much last all the time. It was always about car advantage but it’s so much now that it’s just kinda insane and no random winners really sneak in once I’m awhile like they used to. Sometimes u would have random people sneak in for a f1 win but not anymore more. U also had a lot more back markers come and go and be replaced. It rewarded skill way more then it does now. Senna special talent he had wouldn’t really be rewarded much. The only time it still is kinda is in the rain and u have seen how much the running order changes compared to what it usually is in the rain. Hell lando almost won a race in the rain cause of it any other time tho he is kinda mid top 10s. F1 will never do that tho. Reason is it would involve less corner speed cause u wound have to take a good portion of the downforce out so the power always beats the downforce and can spin the car no matter what or add more power to the cars so they can beat the downforce. With the direction of how f1 is going and how much horsepower they would even need to do that to beat the downforce they have now is mathematically not really too efficient or probably not even possible to do that for multiplayer laps especially with a v6. They already push those small motors so hard enough on its own. You would probably need a tubo v12 or 10 hybrid and that wont ever happened and even then idk if they could do it efficiently without needing a ton of money and then without them tearing themselves apart over the length of a race.
I was looking for this answer! I knew I'm not the only one who realised this slight formal error :)
No it is good in karting to squat hard and throttle for rotation, this was also good in those era F1 cars.It has nothign to do with habits.
@@badm.d I’m honestly kinda shocked that driver61 wouldn’t of realize this yk. But yes it was essentially to help him turn the car with the gas.
@@tamezzodiac2862 He's mentioned the technique might be for oversteer in another of his Senna videos
Prost, Lauda, Senna, Piquet were genius. They would have adapted to pretty much any situation in their prime.
The cars with less downforce in the past required driver to be more aggressive to get an extra edge on the laptimes. However, Senna would adapt and still find an edge somewhere else in cars nowadays. The cars of 1994 already required the smooth driving styles , look at the onboards. you will see his driving style was already adapting. All because of driving aids and electronics.
Fascinating video. Thanks for this.
It would be interesting to see how quickly Senna could adapt his driving to match what a modern car can do. I'm thinking it would be pretty quick.
Michael was driving many different cars and adapted the style… Alonso as well, even Le Mans LMP cars and etc. so I reckon that Senna would found himself quite handy in this cars
I think drivers like Prost would shine in today's formula. He was quite ahead in terms of car set-up during his era, with all the data he would have today, and the excuses we have for tyres, he would be untouchable in a good package.
Admit it....we want that crazy driving style back!
Drifting and sliding, with massive rear tyres!
So I’ve raced dirt/asphalt both in 3 series really seriously. I love every series btw any true racer will love every series on the planet. My dad always told me “nobody likes a one trick pony!” I’ve raced sprint, legend, Winged sprint, midgets, open wheel, nitro drag, but stock cars captured my heart because I have a endurance personality but the low downforce and your sliding everywhere with zero technology. It really showcases the driver talent hence why most everyone that’s been successful they have dirt background. F1 part of of the Game is who can build the fastest car around a corner while maintaining full control. So the crew chief/engineer have a serious hand in the outcome. As in every series but F1 it’s on another level the amount of involvement they have. I will never piss on any series because that’s not how any real driver is. I don’t care what type of car or aircraft if it will drive or fly then I wanna take it for a joy ride. But I do miss the F1 of the 80s 90s where the driver skill could really change the outcome. Today it’s more about whoever built the fastest car is who will win where senna who had a very Dale Earnhardt driving style the way he would get the car out of shape and wag its tail. Also senna & Dale would do the same things as far as not wrecking people but they would fill a hole and wait for the person to come down on them and wreck themselves. Senna and dale could take 5th place cars and win it’s them just because the raw car control ability. Thankfully every racing series is taking a hard look like the gen 7 car is pretty difficult to drive again. The gen 5 &6 got easier but we wanted it back to the sliding days. F1 and Indy also made changes to try and make the cars difficult and the bonus is less interference from strange aerodynamic art pieces.
The whole thing about older cars looking so much on the edge due to the roughness of how they've driven, and how we've been hearing that the 2022 cars are a lot tougher to drive, makes me really excited to see a new era of quali laps really feeling like they're on the ragged edge again
Senna changed his style depending on what he was driving, he would've adapted to any car just fine
One driver I am certain would be fast in this car (and any car for that matter) is Jim Clark. The man could drive anything, touring cars, Indy Car, Sports cars, and of course, his super light green Lotus. I am sure he could drive Lewis' black Mercedes almost as fast as him.
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For me, Clark is the best driver of all time. Just listen to how others talk about him. In a very competitive era (Hill, Gurney, Stewart, Surtees, Hulme, Brabham, Rindt), he had no peer. If the Lotus was up to it, he destroyed everyone.
@@alunesh12345 I believe in Clark but thankyou I guess
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Either him or Fangio, but I feel Stirling Moss is criminally underrated. Just look at the 1955 1000 milga or the 1961 Monaco GP just to gve you an idea of how good he was. I also am a pretty big Alonso enjoyer as well. Not in the same era as Clark/Fangio/Moss, but still his achievments are fantastic, only Hamilton ever got close to him as a teammate and he could beat Schumacher, Vettel and Button in cars which were sometimes slower.
If we ever see a driver of this kind of caliber again, we've gotta apprecieate them
Clark was really smooth and careful with the suspension, that guy would transfert well in today's car...
Fangio? A bit less, that was an era were driver were putting car sideways. Not a great idea today, but with the skinny tires and the big front engine it totally make sense. He also was a senior in a sport full of junior...
If senna came back tomorrow in his prime he would put the Maclaren on pole straight away and the other drivers on the grid would be quite intimidated by his powerful personality and strong character.
No he wouldn't. As good as he was, he still couldn't win on inferior machinery in his era and if you think today's drivers arent comparable you would be sorely mistaken
@@Sephiroth32vergil he did win many races whilst not having the fastest car! check your history books on the subject as it's well documented and his status is greater than any driver driving today.
@@chrisfleming5109 I meant win championships. Gasly won a race on an alpha tauri, is he now automatically greater than others because of this? His status is also not greater than those today. Prost beat him in his own era multiple times. Senna is great, but he would not be dominating guys like Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen on inferior machinery.
@@Sephiroth32vergil if you are talking about championships as you say you should not be answering my first post because it clearly indicates I'm talking about qualifying and poles. if you want to talk about wins and championships you need to make your own statements rather than try to argue with me about something I was not talking about in the first place!
@@chrisfleming5109 1993 in a Mclaren he only had 1 pole in 18 rounds, my point still stands. He didn't intimidate the likes of Piquet, Mansel and Prost. He isn't gonna intimidate the likes of Verstappen, Hamilton and Alonso.
I was in Zandvoort in 2021 standing at the entry of turn 1 (tarzan). You could really sea Max nailing the apex every lap whereas the rest of the field was at least half a meter of the apex!
your max cant do what senna could do,driving inferioir car in 1992 monaco exausting mannsel with the fast car,during trophy,Senna was pouring the champagne while mannsel was lying on the ground because,Senna's driving style tired mannsel with a car much stronger then Senna's car..boy,you are dutch fan I understand but so far we have seeing nothing about max,he has a faster car and his only strong teammate was daniel riccardio and we saw how they battled to each other,max,schumacher and even lewis cant match Senna's talent..
@@rembrandrembrand It makes me sad that you would think that i am just a Max fan😔. Of course i'm rooting for him and at the moment, there is no getting around the fact that he is the best driver on the grid, but i agree with you that Senna will always be the goat! The only ones that came close in my opinion are Clark, Stewart and Lauda. I don't watch F1 just for Max and i hate people who do. I watch F1 because i love the sport! I'm sorry if i gave you the impression that i'm one of the Max hooligans. So you're a Senna fan as well? What's your favourite Senna moment?
I'm sure he would have adapted his style accordingly but the cars took a whole lot more driving back then so I wouldn't really say it is a bad thing anyway. He was pure genius most of the time. He was the reason why I love F1. Rip the legend ✌️😎🙏
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Senna would find a way to be fast in literally anything
So would max and Lewis
@@Max__apex that's why they're the top F1 drivers.
Although I suspect they wouldn't be as good in rally
@Stealth Leopard Schumacher?
@@nothinghere7391 depends on stages. Both Schumacher and Rossi proved circuit drivers can be faster in rally car.
@Stealth Leopard Alonso literally can into midfield at least with shitbox
The truly great drivers adapt their driving style to the behavior of the car.
I don't know if Senna's style would have worked in our modern F1, but I'm sure he wouldn't have let nobody pass him in the decisive last lap of the season.
he would have wrecked him like the dirty pos he was
He would still be fast, especially today, when cars are easier to handle than before, and dont have manual gearbox.
He quickly adapted to everything.
Senna Qualifying lap at Adelaide ‘86 (or ‘85, I forgot) was the prime example of that “driving on the ragged edge” in the 80s. You know, that one footage from Top Gear which Clarkson & Brundle are discussing about Senna’s driving style.
I don’t think that his style would fare well with current cars. But I’m certain that he’s going to adapt to the car characteristics.
Same with his qualify at suzuka
The McLaren livery 1990 would still work on todays cars!
If Ayrton would be Alive he would have shown us for sure...Thats why we call him Ultimate drivers driver..
This is why we need multiple tyre brands, it will be cool to see how teams and drivers adapt to them.
Exactly, back to old days , and no Traction control or launch control
@@jasmijnariel they dont have traction control and they most certainly dont have launch control
Absolutely not. Don’t you remember what happened in the 2000’s?
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Be cool to see a bonus round of the current drivers using old f1 cars
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Great drivers adapt to the cars they are driving! That’s what separates them from the good drivers.
thanks for explaining why it was amazing to watch motorracing in the 90's and why I gotta sick into a bucket about the present F1!
Please answer me Which modern driver could even qualify with a car like Senna's? They would all have to change into a clean racing suit after a few laps.
At this hour, I am just pondering my interests in the sports....
But that recording of Senna jabbing rhe throttle on a
supercharged car was like a double caffeen shot !
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To answer the question, well, yes, of course. Don't be ridiculous.
Senna's "odd" throttle use was just traction control in it's raw, purest form. Whatever today's cars could give him in that regard, he'd take it, wring it dry, and then find a way to extract even more performance; that's what he did, and that's a big part of what made him great, imho.
You didn't ask if he was the GOAT, but I rather think he was. We never got to see him in Indy cars, but I don't doubt the he would have performed at least as well as Nigel and Emerson.
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Senna would still be at the top of the pile today because his driving style came out of necessity do to technology. He would have a different style driving today.
He would also be 62 years old today
@It'stheVJ Senna? I wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure if he was still around he would have to be a little bit stoked that a 7 x WDC idolised him, but I think Max’s take-no-prisoners approach would impress him too, because it is similar to Senna’s own driving style
He could drive and adapt to any style.....One of the best ever
He hauled turbo brutes like the Lotus 97 and 98T around the track - cars with geological lag and less downforce than a kite.
Excelled in normally aspirated V10s.
Man handled the FW16 to 4 consecutive poles in 94 (a car which Newey described as a dog---- before the B upgrade)
Adjusted readily from 6 speed manual transverse to semi-automatic transmissions.
And put his car on pole 65 times out of 162 starts.
Nah.
Pretty sure Senna's style would work today.
Today the drivers do way more than just driving fast. The sport and cars have evolved so much. And the margins with the cars have become tiny compared to the Senna days. One tiny lockup and your third on the grid. But in the old days one even overtook drifting around the outside.
I would say the opposite. Sport has evolved yes. However during Sennas days you would actually have to work harder in and with the car. compared to nowadays. Back then it was way more dangerous as well, so to push the car it took more guts.
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@@mrRTvids with more grip and downforce, the limit becomes far less apparent and margins for error become smaller. Not to mention the sheer g-force of today's cars are ridiculous. I still think Senna would adapt. It is never easy to extract competitive lap times when everyone is at the top of their game, regardless of the car.
That was really interesting and informative, Scott. If Senna was racing in this era he surely would have adapted his driving style to the smooth approach current F1 cars need. But I doubt he'd ever have approved these tyres. He probably would have quit out of frustration. It's something most drivers of that era would have done. Driving to the limitations of the tyres was totally uncharacteristic of Formula 1 back then.
If you could do a video on a topic that's rarely discussed, it would be great - how F1 chassis construction changed from the 70s and 80s to now. Back in the 70s and 80s, you could see many photographs where the outer body cover of the car is removed to reveal the monocoque beneath. You had the outer body cover fixed to the monocoque. We don't see such kinds of pics in modern F1. How has the construction changed?
Ayrton Senna was a genius. He would certainly adapt himself to this new kind of car. He drove different cars throughout his career...
and broken cars to win races,his gear was stuck on 6 and won brazilian gp :)))...
I am coming to the realization that Michael Schumacher is probably a very bright guy
Considering all the different things he adapted to over his career, I think he'd be dominant still because of his car control. I think you could bring prime Senna or Jimmy Clark into today's cars and they'd be front-runners.
As much as I like watching the differences in style through the years in F1. I agree it's difficult to compare old F1 cars to current. I think that's apparent when current drivers drive the older cars. They don't look like they are on the edge because it's so different from the current car. I still would like to see current grid in street cars like old top gear leader board hot lap times.
My father was a big Stirling Moss fan, and i have been following F1 since the early sixties, but it is so revelatory to hear a real driver talk about technique. Thanks for your insight.
The mere fact that he could drag the Toleman around the circuit on the same day as anything else is testament to his sheer brilliance. Evidence? Monaco '84. You're welcome.
He won that race.
That's not actually a fair example, because of the wet weather. The contract they had with (I believe) Michelin meant their dry-weather tyres were not current spec. However, the wet tyres were the same for all Michelin runners, whichi is part of why Senna did so well at Monaco in '84.
To my shame, I can't give an example of a dry race where he wowed everyone in that car, but I did read about a post-season test where we smashed a lap record for that car.
@@fjbslgie, Alain Prost won the race, after it was stopped early. It's widley believed that, given one or two more laps, Senna would've passed Prost for the lead. What is often overlooked though, is that Johansson was going even faster than Senna!
Actually, I think it would work. I've been analyzing why I do it in a normal car and it has nothing to do with weight transfer or keeping power from the engine. I do it because I get more grip from the tires in that split second when the tension of acceleration is lifted. In my mind it's like lifting tension of the bicycle chain when you shift gears to preserve the life of the chain. But in a car, the release of tension helps the tires push the car through a turn tighter.
Senna would be able to adjust his driving style in one lap.
Senna was a pure driver, one thing that has to be considered it’s instinct and to drove a car like he did on wet floor, man he had a huge instinct..!!