New diesel vs old petrol DRAG and ROLLING RACE: Volvo V90 D5 2017 vs 850 T5 1995 -which is quicker?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Can a modern diesel engine thrash an older petrol engine when it comes to performance? Watch as we line up our diesel 2017 Volvo V90 D5 against a petrol 1996 Volvo 850 T5 in a drag race and rolling race. Will 20 years of development leave the 225hp 850 eating the 235hp V90's dust? Or can petrol power always trump diesel? There’s only one way to find out… race!
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Who cares, the old one has a 5 cylinder and that is all that matters...
VIZIN #Bounce the new one is worth 20 times more that’s all that matters
5 sylinder is the best engine you can possible have!
Cylinder*
I do miss my 2.5T ford Mondeo 5 pot. Taken from Volvo I believe. Also used in the first focus Rs
That car in 10-15 years time will be worth nothing more than scrap value because it’s a peice of shit. While the old Volvo will still be running
the old volvo will outlive the new volvo.
But it consumes more fuel
@@eriktenhag2022 And?
@@MarcelloTheBandit wat?
@@eriktenhag2022 Old Volvos, especially the 240, 740, 940 V70 / 855 can live basically forever. Never be surprised if you see volvos run over 600,000 Km's. So honestly who gives a shit about fuel economy when you have a 20 year old car that has been daily driven for 20 years and probably can daily drive for ANOTHER 20 years. - Your neighbourhood Swede.
@@KomBackHordz I agree. I have a 2006 Volvo S60 T5 geartronic auto. It had 77,060 miles when I signed the papers in November of 2015. It now has 159k something and it's getting a full restore. do88 intercooler, OE radiator, Hutchinson OES engine mounts, FAG wheel bearings (sadly SKF was another $60 per bearing, so I couldn't swing them), Lemföroder front lower control arms rear control arm bushings, AND outer tie rods, Meyle HD front lower ball joints and brake hoses, OE oil cooler seals (sadly no Focus RS500 oil cooler though), Continental overflow and miscellaneous cooling hoses (50ft bulk roll for $22), Pierburg TCV, and finally a 3.5" to 3" catted exhaust with a Magnaflow 3" straight through round muffler. I already have new hood and trunk struts, Bilstein shocks and struts, and Motul ATF. Tell me I can't get another 14 years out of her. (And yes the Timing belt kit was done at 106k with an Aisin pump and Continental belt.)
The sound of the straight five petrol engine makes all the difference. The 850 T5 is a nice classic.
I like the way you speak, chap! The Volvo 850 T-5 has been giving us so much happiness for 30 years! 😉
The old T5's design just doesn't get old. It still looks great!
It’s outdated
Totally agree! Still in love
It looks like something that came out in 2010
@@dhio9615 no it does not. It looks like it came out in the late 80's or early 90,s. Not saying that it looks bad, just that it looks old. If you compare it to e46 it looks so much older, eventhough they are pretty much the same age
@@KorpiSoturi1 no it doesn't. That car does not look old
Should have done a in car sound test. That T5 motor would have sounded a lot sweeter on the boil than the D5.
That T5 engine is so amazing. I wish they would bring it back to the new V90 series and V8 for the XC90
although i like the sound of the non turbo 20v better than the one from the t-5. At least with stock exhaust and airfilter.
Anvil75 10v sound even better than 20v imo.
I know; I love the appearance of the new V90 (especially the Cross Country), but the engine in my 2000 V70 just sounds so good that I can't fully bring myself to like the new one.
I owned an N reg 850 T5 auto. Picked up at 159000 miles, 1 owner from new who had always main dealership service and changed oil every 5000 to look after that engine and turbo. Even had main dealer receipts for bulb replacement 😂Anyway I continued the 5K oil changes and sold the car on with 260000 miles on the clock. Amazing engine 5 cylinder just nicer to drive/sound than a 4 cylinder shame Volvo ditched it no mount for all this emissions nonsense. Ok, the engine had an old smell and was smoking on boost when I sold it but that was honestly all and who could complain on those miles!!! Drivers seat had lots of wear by then, boot struts were shot and paint faded on the spoiler but that was it. Amazing I've not owned a BMW or Merc so don't know if any of their petrol engines last like that Volvo unit.
Not many cars look better than an old boxy Volvo estate
Yes that is what Abraham Lincoln used to say.
The 850 T5 has one of the best engines from the 90's.
Along whith saabs b234r
Original is better(Audi).
Only wagon in the euro touring car championships... thats how good the engine was
Linus No....Volvo b230....Absolutely.
boxer from subaru and this 850 were one of the best yeah confirmed by top gear (interview about the 90s cars)
That 850 is extremely clean
It's a car from 95-96. I think we can forgive it 🤣
@@Zirkobi mine is cleaner and its a 93 one
If maintained properly, this 850 will outlive the shiny new one. Plus the sound from the old 5 cylinders Volvo engines is so sweet.
I'd still prefer the old 850 Volvo
Rayya Davino RLY??? GET A BRAIN UPDATE!!!!
Same
Matthew Kristen beacuse it's always awesome to have an old turbocharged volvo
Rayya Davino Well... Okay, I is actually nice I think, because I like the old cars so yeah, It's nice.
Matthew Kristen his not little kiddo like you that just wants money and ferraris..
that 5cylinder Volvo engine is one of the best ever.
that is audi engine
I’ve got an 850T5. It does 19 mpg round town, I can squeeze 33 on a run. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned and I’ve had dozens over the years. In 12 years it’s never failed an mot or failed to start or gone wrong. Fantastic gas guzzler
Swedish Volvo vs Chinese Volvo
Actully half swedish half american
The 850 is American, according to you, because at the time Volvo was owned by Ford, the same way it's owned by Geely now. All of the engineers are still and have always been Swedish.
V90 is actually made in Sweden. Built from scratch to its whells and engine.
Source I work in Volvo car manufactuer in Sweden
@@kes_r expect some parts to be ford since they had the mondeo/fusion/falcon which is pretty familiar.
@@kes_r I mean the v50 is just a focus. Same with the engine in the mk2 focus RS made by volvo.
Volvo should've continued with the T5's.. My all time favourite engine! Sounds soooo gooood!
Sadly the EU put an end to that engine with the ever stricter emission regs, Volvo just couldn't get that wonderful 5 cylinder to meet those targets !
I loooove 850. Probably my favourite car of all time.
Maxu88 I hope you're joking
You haven't been exposed to many cars then
I still have one 😊
the taste is like the butt as we say here in sweden but 850. most people would say some m3 or 911 or something but yeah xD
It's decent but not that great
Annoying how Volvo still call it a D5, it's not.. it's a D4...
sonconmas that’s what I was thinking?!?
Mines a d5 2.4 20v 5pot not a bloody 2.0 4pot!!! Haha
I'm with you guys on this one.
Same nonsense logic use Audi nowadays. Some random numbers on boot, nothing informative anymore, so better not at all.
My 1997 Volvo V70 is a 5-pot too. Without turbo though. Which is preferable from my point of view
Toyota had likely copyrights to "d4"
Volvo's 2.3lt T5 was a thoroughbred turbo petrol engine, characterful 5 cylinder sound and proper high-rev pull, not like todays efficient small turbo-small lag rubbish sounding eco cars. I used to drive a Volvo S60 T5 and i still miss that engine badly.
I love when the 850 pulls ahead the v90. The driver of the V90 looks like a typical driver for that car
I cannot stop thinking about it but that Volvo looks so beautiful. There is nothing else like it on the road!
Peter Ambrose 850?
S90
V90/S90
Peter Ambrose probably it is not the only one. But is one of the best for sure
The 850? Yup, the 850.
T5 rocks 🤘🏻
Signed: mk2 Focus ST owner
T5 rocks!!!
Signed: V50 T5 AWD owner.
kubarro T5 rocks!
Signed S40 T5 awd rd owner.
Burning oil your username doesnt fill me with confidence
B Ki made this name when I drove a Subaru 😁
Burning oil well the same applies to that except if the Subaru was 2 stroke swapped XD
The 850 launch was SHOCKING! I pull onto a 4-post lift more aggressively than that!
yeah right, replace the 850 driver and it will smoke the new 90, 850 has a lot of potential
however as far as I know the 850 T5 had NO limited slip (Torsen
yeah, traction was always a problem with the T5s and with old Turbo SAABs, you can actually get on it in 3rd gear, not sooner
Yea he could of had him off the start easy he sandbagged. You'd of heard it
A 20 year old car have lost a lot of performance over the years and will never do 0-60 in 7 seconds like it used to...
Mine lost 2 bhp in 16 years and almost 400 000 kms.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but the owner has recently spent more money than is remotely sensible on an extensive engine rebuild.
30-40 yr old car yes, not this volvo and other late 90s cars with a good service history! They were underrated a touch anyway and could easily crack 7 seconds. My teg still makes the same power it did 19 years ago with only regular oil changes and tappets adjusted. My Vette makes well over its stated hp aswell. Youre wrong.
Serviced properly to keep it in tune it shouldn't loose any power. In fact with better quality fuel today it could be better.
Not true.
Having owned far too many cars over the years my old 850 T5, long gone i'm afraid, nick named the flying brick is in my top 5. The mid range pull on those especially in third was fantastic and went like the starship enterprise, police used to use them as pursuit vehicles. Hilariously quick and handled pretty well but not in snow, nearly played tennis with a mini the way the back end swung round on a roundabout.
This is exactly the type of comparisons I like, old vs new. Thumbs up. Subscribed.
do a retro review on the volvo 850
Dylan Ch'ng Yes please!
I have 850 -94 sedan. Cool car
Gotta love the five cylinder engine
The style of the 850 is much better looking.
So what we have learned? That £30k new car can match 20 years old car which costs £500? Well done... who would have tough so?
LP its a lot more than 30k lol
And them t5 Volvos are going for alot more then £500 aswell!
@@conzyeire2887 i got a mint 855 t5r for $1000 just a few years ago
T5 850 manual for £500...... Maybe 10 years ago I'd believe that but they're worth a few grand now.
So many awesome comments on the 850 and the T5 engine :) it's refreshing to see !
Love my 850R ! Definitely a wolf in sheep clothing 🦊
Why haven't you reviewed that Volvo XC60 that you said you were going to do some videos on? Or are you waiting to give it back before you start?
Vic Sandhu completely forgot about that! Wonder if they still have it
Well the 850 have most likely lost a few ponys over the years, besides, the 850 is lots more fun to drive! :)
Would a 850R win maybe?
Was the 850R AWD, Or was that only the V70R that came after it? If it is AWD then it would have the advantage at launch simply by having a little more power and being able to put it down.
@@wetlettuce4768 850R is as far as i know RWD, but had more power and was lots more sporty
Looked it up and the 850R was FWD, AWD came with the V70.
The V90 is a nice car, but with that sweet 5-cylinder, and not being jam-packed with unnecessary electronics... I'd gladly choose the 850.
Rather have the 850 t5
All the T5 needs is a tune and it would smoke that V90
Maybe, but I think mat deliberately avoided putting the V90 Auto into 'Sports mode' that would have changed the outcome, the fact he didn't even mention it tells me that was the case ! So not really a true reflection of the V90's capabilities ! But mat does make a habit of doing this sort of thing when you watch many of his videos, it's what he doesn't tell you that you have to watch out for !
Give me the older T5 anytime. The new Volvo are not as good as the older ones
Nice to see the old legendary T5 can still play! 😀
As an 850 owner this was a fantastic race! And love the V90 as well.
How could you like that, they didn't even floored the 850, did you hear wheel spin, or reving?? It annoys me, the 850 drives of like looking for a place to parc.
MrTruth111 yea seems at least that they didn't floor it from stand still, but just to see this comparison is nice
I'm an Volvo mechanic and i love almost every model. But i have to say, its a little bit of bullshit to compare a diesel with an petrol one espacially if the diesel has more hp and torque...
but nevermind its a video about Volvos and i love it.
Sorry for my spelling, english is not my mother tongue :D
loved this video! more of this please
Volvo V90 and 855 fighting
Volvo 245: Yes im back
Ol'skool Volvo looks much better :)
I do love the new volvo but a little disappointed with the performance and the trend of having less cylinders. There is no replacement for displacement
That five cylinder sound though 👌
Mat pls review that 850 as if it were the 90s again, it would make for a super cool throwback vid.
Is that T5 for sale??????
I would kill for one of those in mint condition
Miguel Iniguez I have one identical to this and it’s in mint condition, never even had a tow bar fitted to it. My other 850 T-5 is Tropic Green.
Miguel Iniguez .... I have a better one :) better condition , a 850 R , 250hp original
Lol, I always see these cars in a pretty decent condition for sale all over Europe for some cheap price. Unlike most of similarly old cars with similar mileage, these cars are bulletproof unless crashed :-)
When it comes to fun The old one is much better because it is not so overassisted and it sounds much better and it is also lighter. But the new one is more comfortable and better for daily driving since it has all the new features.
Conclusion: Save some money and buy a old one for 4k
Alex Pennert Hope you mean 4k Swedish kronor and not US dollar.
Is that the guy from Straightpipes who drove the 850?
The T5 was a really nice car.
1:12 The Volvo V90 just looks gorgeous. I will not stop complementing the Volvo V90 and S90.
Loving the 850 love here. You just know the 850 will outlast the current crop of Geely Volvos, and the T-5 was an absolute beast at the time. Repeat the test with a 240bhp 850R and see how the V90 fares...
Oh yes, and the noise... No Diseasel will ever sound as good as a 5-cylinder petrol engine on full chat!
Love the old 850....I had a 850 T5R in 1996-98, dark green station. Made various BMW drivers very upset 😃
Congrats on 500k
Wow !
The days before the air strip and the lady saying 3...2...1
Even doing a rolling race after after the drag, glad this channel progressed to what it is today
Needed a t5r awd
Yep.
Doesn't exist.
1998 V70R AWD Manual, good luck finding one :-)
Plenty here in Sweden! Even though they are in ROUGH shape these days after all kids buy em to have fun.
Yeah i mean't the V70R Awd dunno if they came in manual though!
My dad had a 1987 740 turbo intercooler estate was so cool impossibly rare these days!
The 850 T5 was probably down on it's original power output ! this is inevitable over time ! but on the other hand , was the V90 in sports mode when you performed the rolling acceleration test ? I doubt it, plus the V90 is much heavier, by at least 150 kg. possibly more !!
The 850 is my favorite Volvos of all time
Yeah think mine too
This is jst a showcase to everyone who thinks Sweden cant make cars or that Volvo are bad at making cars. Its a new world, new times, new concepts and best of all a new era of Volvos. Volvo now make luxurious saloon and Estate cars unlike the box-like old cars... Volvos have come a long way since the old big bumpered, heavy, slow, ugly vehicles to modern classy cars and I love it.
Jake Lamotta agreed
Volvo for life.
Really enjoyed this one! Good fun!
More of these comparisons please
Yet another ridiculous test. Put the new one against a Volvo 850R.
Standard diesel in the range vs the absolute top end performance model 850...whats the point in that?
put the 850R against the T8 Polestar, performance model vs performance model and see what happens
Every T5 owner knows that 29mpg isn’t possible 😂 love mine though, smiles per gallon...
yes but you can tune the 850 to 500hp , can you tune the diesel to 500hp , i doubt it
Frost Zemun 500 is easy. It's not uncommon to see t5 that punches 1000+.
Nice video! The interval between both cars reveals the old Volvo has aged well and keeps most of his horsepower’s. Also, the old Volvo might be running on stock parts after decades, which is great. The new one will never compete with a newer Volvo after hiting the 20y Mark the same way this old one does
god that v90 is sexy
A sexy Volvo? That will be the day.😂😂😂
Johan Arvidsson there isn’t a Volvo that isn’t sexy
340 440 480 v40 v50 c30 goes on and on and on and on.
Immortal brick
Rolled off the factory line in 1996 and still alive and well.
I prefer the old one
Should do this again but with the 850 T5-R
5 cylinder>4 cylinder
Yeah I mean, the Volvo V90 looks nice but the 850 will ALWAYS be the best car ever made by Volvo. No one can beat the legendary 5 cylinder! When I see those RS3's from Audi, I think: this is not how a 5 cylinder should sound... The real 5 cylinder should have a nice manual gearbox and a turbo to mess with those BMW's! ;) I would leave that V90 for the 850 for sure!!
Do xc90 t8 vs 850 r. Oh wait
I just love the sound of that T5 5 cylinder.
Doesnt matter old cars are still better and more fun
Great comparison - the V90 only got the jump on the 850 due to the AWD traction, I did expect the 850 to reel the V90 back in a little from the standing start run but that V90 goes nicely! Has to be said that 850 sounds great though!
At last a common sense comment, the truth is Mat didn't put the V90 into 'Sports Mode' which would of changed the outcome on the rolling start race, secondly, he deliberately put up a diesel against a petrol, why ? because he knew the diesel output is lower than the higher spec petrol version which would of trounced the 850 T5, the V90 hybrid engine which is a two litres petrol unit, produces 303 bhp even before the electric motor cuts in !
Don't get me wrong I love the old 850, used to love watching them in the British Touring Car series, but times have changed, I've had a V70 P2 for 10 years, loved it, but it's way behind newer volvo's in refinement, safety and luxury, Volvo interiors have moved on so much over the last 10 years or so, and in my opinion look far better than the for-mentioned 850, which is basically a box on wheels, but a wonderful box with a wonderful engine !
Old vovlo was better and stronger. And diesels stupidly expensive.
Love the 29mpg for the T5 hahaha I used to drive one years ago and I think not....great car though a legend!
Interesting 👍🏻
Yes, i was waiting for this!
If you watch carefully you can see, the T-5 is not really slower than the new V90. After the massssssive turbo-lag disappers, the T-5 keeps a constant distance from the V90.
Well done old boy!
It’s nice the new one
We need a review on that 850!
Conclusion: you get the same features from a 20 year old car that goes for a song
Turbo lag in the T5 850 in the stationary start, but with the rolling start afforded the 850 some RPM at the start, so little or no turbo lag. The compressed air in the D5 V90 gave it an advantage in the stationary start, but not in the rolling start.
The old car is much more fun and does not cause as much Cancer with it`s emissions, so where is the real progress? In reality Things got worse, nowadys cars just exist to brag with numbers and Image, while they feel boring and have horrible, much more harmful for humans emissions.
Smiles per gallon are waaaay higher in the T5, and that sound
That old car looks so much better
no it does not look better just because its older doesent mean its nicer, only + side is that it has a 5 cyl thats it
BarryEssex AHAHHAA NOPE
No it doesn’t
I completly agree nothing beats those simple old box cars
I love old cars but new Volvos look very nice imo
WoW. We wasn’t expecting that! Old is gold
May be the most slowest drag race in history 😂😜
SUDHEER Zapper what do u expect for any car really with the smallest engine.. the t8 which basically is what everyone has does 0-100 in 4.5 seconds... and thats really not slow
For those who could care less of course
SUDHEER Zapper do that with a polestar v60 and 850 t5 R 😎😉
FsAviX The D4 is the smallest. And the t8 is not the most common.
Emil Muhrman in norway t8 is like 70% of sales for 2018 models
I've onwed both an older S60D5 and a T5. The t5 was and remains a fantastic car. The s60 and v70 d5 had a major achilles heal. They ate half shaft joints which were £750 a pop. I needed two. They were also less reliable than the 850T5. The new dirsels are too complex and nowhere near as long lived as the older T5 petrol. All ghe evidence points to modern diesels being less reliable longer term and expensive in garage bills once you hit egr and dpf issues. Bring back the T5!
DIESEL POWER!!
still would never see a diesel race car
audi tdi le mans car ^^
well a few...
can it rev to 20,000 RPM like an f1 car?
lol ikr
Somewhere two grandparents are missing their wagons....
20+ years difference!
Give me the 850 T5 all day long. A classic 👌
Got a '97 V70 T5. Love it!! Got his own garage to sleep in. Hope I'll never have sell of scrap it. Passed the 410.000 km barrier😊😊
A friend of mine had an 855 just like that one, it had a decently mild tune that took it to about 285hp and it went like absolute stink, felt like it was going to do a wheelie despite being FWD haha
I thought it was 850R I was blown away how the d5 beat it but then I realized...
PowerPulse only works below 31mph and 2,000rpm to give you no lag as you pull away... rolling start wouldn’t show its true feature but the standing start did. Good video though!
Cheating with Auto and AWD Matt! Get the 850 mapped and review it please!
850 T5 BABY!! ik it'd win the roll race the original real T5's of the past where pretty ruthless at roll races
You also have to consider how many of those HP´s is still there in that 20+ year old car compared to a completely new car which will be working at optimal performance. Considering how close it was, if the 850 was brand new it would probably have won both times.
If the turbo boost control is set a max. 6psi from the factory on the T5 of course it's easy to beat from the start. I have the same old wagon and I threw out the electronic turbo boost control valve (which opens the waste gate way too soon)... and replaced it by a manually adjustable boost control valve (from Turbo Smart). I can go up to 15psi (~1bar) of boost now. It's making a big difference when the turbo is kicking in.
I was on a long drive in a volvo 850 2.5 tdi, some drivers of the new cars looked at me like WTF when I passed them on the expressways. There were no problems in the mountains +2000 m above sea level either.