PETROL vs DIESEL.. 380HP SKODA FABIA VRS vs 380HP VW GOLF GTI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ต.ค. 2022
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Jamie I got 260-270 bhp 2060vklr skillaturbo built Ibiza if you got something to race:)
Jamie, what have you done for your mechanical credibility there bro.?? Should've blamed it on non car guy James. would've worked a treat GUV. I feel you blushing... Sorry my esteemed friend. :))
Pour la Skoda tdi , l'admission chauffe lors du run.
Il faut faire 2 ou 3 run et puis laisser le moteur au régime stationnaire 1minute .
Éteindre le moteur le temps qu'il refroidisse un peu.
Et ok pour 2 ou 3 run.
That Škoda owner has deadly ill daughter and he spent so much money on car and asking people to help him save his daughter. WTF??? Who is crazy there??
3:29 love how you say it’s a skilla turbo 2869FRR turbo and shows an alternator 😂
its the turbo alternator sv45 capable for 500hp 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think James does the b roll haha
ahahahah, has the electric improvement of the formula 1 turbos ahahahah
Was gonna say lol
it got me for a second
Damn, that Skilla turbo is disguised as an alternator, savage
Speak of a sleeper 🤣 was hoping for him to win when I heard about his daughter, I'm a father of two little girls myself that's my worst nightmare they would get sick. Best wishes for Sienna 🙏❤️🤞🏻
I’ve gottta do that
@Kurt Veldeman the owner of the Fabia forgot that he isn't on "America's got Talent"
I think it's on the back of the engine, so you wouldn't see it very well from the front anyway.
as a diesel owner I was rooting for the skoda, it was actually incredibly impressive how he got so close on the drag race, amazing torque control! it is insanely hard to manage the torque on these diesels, respect. I hope all goes well for the lads' daughter, I'll be donating what I can, best of luck brother, be strong.
I hope that one day someone puts the exhaust smoke in your mouth, just to see if it so pleasant as you like it
@@PramaNatiMV I have zero exhaust smoke on my car but okay lmao, the car in the video has a PD engine which is normal to smoke when pushing for maximum power. You think a gasoline car is less polluting just because you can't see the exhaust gasses? They're still there mate, try and ask someone to Rev one and stand behind it, you'll smell it right up, trust me.
@@ggcpf2874 The cancer particles that you find on diesel is huge compared to petrol, that's why diesel cars will always be way more danger that petrol ones and since people decat them diesel is way worse
@@PramaNatiMV people decat petrols as well, probably even more often for the pops and bangs I hear everyday, I'm not saying diesel smoke is healthy at all but most diesel owners buy them for fuel economy and keep them stock tbh.
He could do better with shifting if it had short shifter i could win
Every time that Fabia shifted I could see Ice caps melting at the same speed 👊🏻
😂😂😂 No smoke, no poke.
Realistically, soot is better for environment than petrol fumes. But they can cause cancer too so worse for people.
@@ibrahimyousef7913 petrol is worse for the polar bears, diesel is worse for everyone’s lungs 😂
Heck I could see polar bears melting.
@@wayland7150 polar bears don't melt... Polar ice caps do
just shove DPF in this Fabia 😀
And as if by magic, the Fabia dissappeared in a puff of smoke. 🤣
Nice 🤣
that's was like a Venom coming.. 😂😂😅
Losing a boost pipe in the process 😂
Dobre 🤣
Diesel is the best engine
the turbo on the skoda sure helps it charge hard @3.28
😂😂😂😂
I’m glad someone else saw it 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Does a great job of charging the battery too 🤦🏻♂️
Lol 😂I had to read the comments when they showed the alternator
The zoom in on the alternator 😂😂
🤣
lmaooo turbo??? ok then
🤡🤣🤣
It's one of those races where whoever changes gear best will win. The cars are 50-50.
they should have used dsg cars for the test but the diesel would still win with better gearbox, petrol 380hp has like idk 400-500nm max? while diesel 380hp engine will have like 700nm of torque lol
@@jomyo420 exactly what I was thinking, dude in the fabia just can't drive tho really, both cars with similar bhp but one with more torque, I thought surely the fabia was going to smoke him on the drag race but it just sounded like he sat on the limiter 90% of the time
God bless that little girl, I've just had a little girl myself and can't bare to imagine what this man's going through. Best wishes to everyone in the family!
Love how the Fabia bogged first drag race so he decided to just smash it to the floor next time 🤣
He wasn't bogging twice. Made me lol that did 😂😂
Two of the most chill drivers to appear on this show! And all my prayers with the daughter to get better! Great driving guys 👍
It's good Sienna got the treatment she needed. I do hope that's fixed the problem and she won't need another 3 million quid.
If you had a 380hp golf in my day you would at least make a face when you accelerated, 380hp now is like driving a 1lt fiesta... people just lookin bored nowadays 🤷♂️
Yeah but at least anyone can have any power car they want for pretty much any budget
That was my concentration face...😂😂
there is a diffrence when you have 380 bhp in a modern, comfy and refined golf and 380 brake horsepower in old russian lada... if you look at the passenger here: th-cam.com/video/skG7oJdvuAw/w-d-xo.html , he was not sitting in a comfy heated seat, but on god knows what with no seatbelts, getting to 60 in 4 seconds. and yes, also a 380 bhp vehicle, but with rear wheel drive, no stability control, old recirculating ball steering, and tiny amount of noise insulation. even 600 brake horsepower seems boring if it is a comfy refined mercedes, that you think you are going 20 miles per hour, when you are doing 100..
@@garage5125 i get what you mean but i truly think its because every car now has 3 or 4 hundred hp from the get go and tuners and putting out over a 1000 hp on hatchbacks, not supercars so everything is so much faster so 200hp nowadays is like 10hp 10 years ago... you know 20 years ago to get 1000hp your pay a house worth to a tuner and almost no one could even find someone to do it... pretty sure give it a few years and the AA gonna be offering a 1000hp hybrid turbo kit for fiesta's 😅
😂🤣👌👍😂🤣👌👍🥴🤷🤡
*great racing lads but well done GTI for actually going the manual route* 🏆
Thanks Ben, always prefer a manual, especially with the ZPO shifter!
@@lewmackmedia man that thing looks NOTCHY, would love to get one once i get a mk6 ;))) great build bro!
@@lewmackmedia you had any issues with your golf mate any known faults I’m looking at getting one and again looking for a manual one
@@mirrekku notchy isn't really the word, direct and mechanical is a better way to describe it! So fun to use when driving hard through the gears!
@@Chapaz95 not really mate, they're pretty good all round to be honest. Definitely go for an Edition 35 if you can.
Very entertaining. I felt the Fabia was ready to blow up and it may have performed better with earlier upshifts given its torque advantage.
yep
Yes, should be shifting just before popcorn.
Popcorn is party trick for showing off rather than hitting during a race
With the size of that turbo the power and torque will all come in a lump at the top end. That's exactly why it's slower actually.
Notice in the first standing start the fabia bogs right down and takes forever to hit boost in fucking first! First gear and it has no ability to pull when off boost. I don't understand why you'd want that personally.
@@jamesmx7 TDI have a very short first gear and are usually torque limited so it doesn't get obliterated
@@stumo8681 my friend had a mapped vrs and my mx5 would beat it in a drag race simply because his 1st gear was useless for launching even though he had considerably more power
The guy on the golf was killing me, lost first race by 2 cars length and says “man that was close”
Then proceeds to win all the other racers and celebrates with a ric flair wooooo ahaha 😂
Skoda jumped all 3 rolls so the golf deserved the win.
that's because the guy on the skoda cheatied... he acelerated way before the cones.
3:29 That's the Alternator bro
Wicked race a lot closer than i expected to be honest, & good luck with your daughter hope everything turns out in the best possible way for her mate 🤞🤞
why is the diesel so dirty out of it's tail pipe?🤣
Don't bounce off the limiter, know where your peak power is before shifting otherwise it'll cost you time.
It's because the wheels are spinning, if they shift the wheel speed will be too low and the car will be way outside its peak power
@@Be4tJumper well you dont want spinning wheels
I feel like the reason this went towards the petrol is that he has to shift far less frequently (he can rev it much higher than the diesel)
it's hard to beat the big rev range of a petrol engine, diesel's are helped a ton by DSG's etc...
@@gregroles69 no its not hard. You literally saw in the video that the diesel was inches behind the petrol. Its not like it was lightyears away. (excluding that shitty launch where he bogged down)
@@dieselgeezer18 Both drivers had a poor shift game with them.
Come on gang, let's all donate for Jacks daughter. Respect to Jack 🙏🏼
If you pay tax you already did
Love seeing a derv race a petrol ! Diesel tuning has come so far it makes me proud to see
I love how they don't sound like your old knocky diesel engine no more aswel once on boost
PETTY POWER!! Owning a 8p S3 I was relieved when the golf won but fair play thats one quick fabia and I imagine it cost 3/4 the price to buy/build, run, service, tax and insure. And it's blue 💙
I doubt it that fabia has got probally 10k in the engine bay alone sure the build on that engine was close to 8k
Them vrs are quick but the gti will always beat it on the top end speed. 0-10mph the skoda is very fast.
That golf got the same engine as your S3 - but sure u know it.
Got a ED35 also, and fwd is a weak point of that gti...
Another cool video Jamie. As for the the guy in the diesel fair play to him and wish his daughter all the luck to recover. £3m is a small price to pay for your kids health and it’s good to see our governments money being spent well for once. ❤
Thanks for the comment David, really appreciate the message! Hope you have a great day❤️
@@jackgibson6245 all the best Jack to you and your family ❤️
Love how when Jamie was giving us the upgrade info for the diesel the camera was looking at the alternator when taking about the turbo 😄.
that diesels on fire baby yeah🤣
How I miss my Fabia VRS SE!
I had almost 200bhp so not quite 380 but enough to enjoy it all the time!
I know for sure that a 380+hp mk6 gti is quick as hell, and the fact that a tdi Skoda can keep up speaks volumes about its performance
@@gord6695 yeah but the power delivery sucks. It’s all torque low down with nothing up high like a petrol not as linear power delivery
@@gord6695 As i can see ur not a car guy as well.Its not all about the torque learn urself...
@@gord6695 Yea im sure about that...we all can see :)
@@travisfs7526 it’s power will peak around 3-4k but will drop off at 4.5 but will make good power from 2-4k
Bro deleted the comments lol
Love this, true car enthusiast race!
Quality looking turbo on the fab...😋😂
I couldn't even see the pipes connected to it
surely that is the cameraman's little joke showing the alternator as the turbo hahahah
I like how you put a shot of the alternator when talking about the turbo on the Skoda
I wanted the good old petrol car to win till I heard Skoda man’s story, I was rooting for him from then onwards💪🏾☺️
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@@jackgibson6245 ♥️
GTI in the first roll races held back, didnt shift as good as he should. maybe it was his first race. nevertheless great race with great cars ! Well done to the owners !
Mk2 octavia owner with a mk6 gti engine here, im impressed with the diesel
Lol a mk1 Octavia owner here
@@Dragoninja35 Another MK1 Octy vRS owner in the wild! It's a thirsty boy compared to a PD130 but I like it.
@@shwahn2061 Yeah buddy Stage 2+
@@Dragoninja35 same here
Petrol all day long, but I must admit the diesels are surprising nowadays. Can't help but turn my fog lights on when following one though 😷🤣
Best one in a bit!! Loved these real cars with gents rowing their own gears!
I will go with diesel! Thanks mate for bringing us a diesel to the channel, I hope more diesel stuff here! It would be great one day some om606 superturbodiesel racing
But not diesel like that, they tuned it to smoke so much, tons of unburnt fuel that tune is killing the engine.
@@Arthurroo00 His EGTs must be mental, no good for turbo life that. Anyone who says a big power build has to be smokey aint tuning diesels well so many of these "tuners" about building smokey crap. Bigger injectors, up the rail pressure and reduce duration and you make the same power cleaner and cooler.
Mines a Z19DTH only smokes under full throttle from low RPM other wise runs clean. 300 hp 450 ft ibs atm with plans for water meth injection and upgrading to the 2265vklr Should be good for around 370hp.
@@tothethreshold.9965 How do you up the rail pressure on a PD?.. it's not common rail
@@BillWillshe must be talking about vp's who are common rail (not entirely sure)
@@joaoopiniao1446 VPs aren't common rail either
That was super close
Top race ❤
EPIC! Both cars are evenly matched if driven the same..petrol for sound and top speed. Diesel for low down torque and economy. Diesels were designed for instant power, moving loaded trains, lorries etc, hence the instant torque, which in the real world translates into effortless acceleration and easy overtaking AND fuel economy. Depends on how deep your pockets are and if you want instant power delivery or progressive acceleration/top speed. Cant beat low down torque in any gear OR the sound and speed from a petrol. Love both 💙🙏
As a Dad with daughters myself , had to donate ❤ all the best pal. Also owner of a Fabia VRS, twincharge 👍🏼
That shifter in the Golf looks so satisfying to use 👍🏼
I can assure you it's as good as it looks!
Got one in my megane they're sick
Either way Greta is gunna be pissed 🤣🤣 content coming strong as usual👊🏻💙
Saying turbo and showing the alternator, great job👌🏿
Madness with that small Fabia !!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Golf looks cold, mk6’s never fail
How on earth does that Skoda pass an mot smoke test?!?!
I’d be embarrassed making so much smoke let alone if you get a police car behind you ever. 😅
Cash in hand for MOT
Totally agree, I've halved my own Skoda TDI's 0-100 time, yet it barely has a puff out the back, waaaaaaay too much fuel in that tune, just embarrassing like you say. Needs far more air density to counter the "just add fuel tune". Still a fun race apart from the unnecessary pollution.
What’s a MOT?😂
Tbf that fabia probably has multiple maps. Mine was mapped and very rarely put that much smoke out but I had the pd150 engine with map and decat. Nowhere near the work that fabia has had 😂😂.
@JIGZonYT Multiple maps for sure , any tuner would be silly not to do it if your going stand alone ecu and dyno tuning it just in case you have to have it go over the pits .
bring more diesel vs petrol battles! Sick race
Mad that fabia is delivering so much power.
I can see what the fuss is about with emissions. We gonna need Captain Planet back soon 😂
It's not the Fabia we want to see bruv🤣
Speak for yourself generic kid
@@rand0mlyrand0m bruh
@@rand0mlyrand0m chill out bruv 🤣
Why would I not be chill? Are you mad bruh?
@@rand0mlyrand0m you clearly don't know much about OG as you think
Interesting results, i honestly expected the petrol car to win by a wider margin, that Diesel has to make peak horsepower very high in the RPM range to be able to compete with the petrol car so well
well if it's tuned correctly it obviously can and this video goes to show that fact perfectly
love my mk1 vrs, was surprised the extra torque didn't really show at the top end
Video I always wanted to see. Thank you.
the fabia is lighter (stock fab vrs is 1245kg) and has more torque. still looses. i allways was team petrol and ill stay there. 👏
Bro, take a book. Diesel all life, ere the main difference was the gear chances and the diesel hitting too much the rev limiter
@@nicolasp7395 bro. were was that superior torque? 😂
Here in Portugal there are diesel shit like that by tons. actually that skilla Turbos is a portuguese guy. Still diesel cars are a piece of shit, two or three more races and that diesel crap would break like it happens here in Portugal. Petrol all the way
1.9 8v PD vs 2.0 twin cam 16v….
The diesel did well
@@exgtt2061 you think the 16 valves and the 100cc helped the petrol somehow? it honestly is probably because of the less usable powerband a diesel has and therefore the shittier gear ratio.
also, a diesel does have its limits earlier because it just needs massive amounts of boost to make serious power. and they cant rev as high naturally.
in short, for raw power diesels cant compete with petrol cars. they a little turbo charging to even compare to n/a petrol cars to begin with.
I love me a fast diesel all day. Insane torque and crazy high mpg’s - That’s a win win 👏🏼
And last a hell of a lot longer doing it too
That smoke trail is hilarious! 😆
My sister used to drive red Fabia vRs from 2004. That was a really quick car
Thought diesels were shit til I drove a stock Fabia VRS, once you get used to changing gear at 4000 rpm the car is a beast (and those mods look tidy). I thought it would be like a fiesta diesel, I was wrong.
1,9 TDIs are actually pretty sporty engines, despite how they sound. also, they are not dying off at higher RPM like many diesels do... new vw engines still cannot match those...
The point of streching the gears past peak power is to get as far into the powerband as possible on the next gearchange..
Also depends on the turbo setup. I had a pd130 with a hybrid turbo it boosted right up to the red line
@@kusz2704 high lift cam power to 5k
@@stacks_producer that doesn’t mean you have peak power to redline…. Boost also drops towards redline
That was tight. In theory the diesel should kick ass, but the power delivery - gearbox situation is not ideal. It’s a shame because i assume a lot of effort went into building the fabia.
3:29 good looking turbo there Jamie 👀
I loved my vrs. We used to ‘engage smokescreen’ fairly often. Got an s3 now.
Wishing the best to Jack's daughter 🙏
Good race, feel both cars should have trapped higher speeds for there power tho
Especially on the roll race
To much wheel spin i fear, a decent engine management system comes into play i reckon...😀👍
They both didn't lie about the power, really equal cars.
golfs shorshifter is hell of a quick clean shifts all the time too :o
Epic race!! It's pushing some boost for high 300s on a 2269 turbo fairplay lol! 😂👍
Ita got a 2869 not 22
@@darylnewbury 2869!! That's a large turbine isn't it!! Fairplay
The north pole melted because of that Fabia :)
Good races fair play, if the fabia started the rolling races in 3rd I think they would have been even closer at the finish line
The doll that the pilot of the diesel car had! I congratulate you!
I love both and have had both modified, but Petrol wins for me, longer rev range and the back of your car doesn’t need washing every 3 days… 😅
Also a Petrol clutch is nicer to live with daily 😌
the diesel runs suprisingly low mileage despite the fact it can run on used oil, and the petrol ea888 does not have such punch in the low RPM. with those diesels, you can accelerate from second gear like in a truck with no load. generally, petrol engines are better for speed, but exceptions do exist...
The main difference here is the gear box! And the tdi hit to much the rev limiter in all races, I will go with the diesel and I know is faster
@@garage5125 used oil in a pd? 😂 wont last 5 minutes old mechanical pump no problem
You can have a V6 TDI Bitubo with 3XX without any black smoke
@@djp4206 maybe not pd (or commonrail😂) but rotary pumps will. know this from experience, some russian diesel trucks run on oil no problem, only in winter, it was not best to use, as it would turn into solid fat🤣🤣
We need to settle the fiesta st vs the PD beef, I’ve got a 330hp st180 would be fun for you to get a 330hp pd on and we could battle it out!
For such a old car this skoda is amazing
So sorry to hear about your daughter Jack, wishing you and the family all the best xx
Thank you buddy and Same to yourself🤞🏼
Big respect to skoda man and his family 👍👍
Thanks so much mate
@@jackgibson6245 No worries mate, I have shared and donated your go fund me, when my daughter little she had a few health issues, she was in the children's hospital in Bristol, it was during covid so they would only let my wife in with her i lived out of hotels so I sort of know what your going through, just gotta keep your chin up and keep smiling for your families sake it's bloody hard know but gotta be done. Take care mate best of luck to you and yours 👍👍👍👍
@@twinscrollturbo4410 isn't a bit ironic that we are talking about dieseases, when he drives a car that literally gives oncologic disorders to others?
@@weed46 technically every ICE car does that, arguably direct injection petrol cars way more with their small particles
Stock cars are pretty clean. Of course every ICE car produces particles, but hope you're not trying to compare a clean burning engine with this POS black smoke machine when it comes to give oncologic diseases.
Whats going on gasganggg
All the best jack I hope your little girl gets well ❤
I did a wee bit of work to my 1.9 TDI vrs over 2020
Darkside helped with a few bits....good service from those guys, the best.
But a derv always be a derv...
No way would that fabia pass a mot test lol , seemed to struggle with gear changes , the old 6 speed was not that good for quick gear changes , well done both guys
😅😅 yeh lew well done. Diesel lad all the best for your little girl 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks! Was a close race
Amazing, more vids of Petrol vs Diesel please!
Thats a dam interesting Turbo on the Skoda
no diesel should ever smoke like that, mechanical nor commorail. just bad tuning through and through. nice race though
To run those pd130s at that sort of power you have to overfuel them to help keep the temperature in each cyclinder under control
EA113 KO4 powa baby...stock motor stock turbo same power as a built motor big turbo...
1.9tdi 8v diesel sir
That Fabia vRS is a very cool uncool car. I drove a mark II base 1.2 petrol Fabia with a broken exhaust doing food deliveries in Poland. The most fun I've ever had in my life. 😂😂😂
In the drag race is the fab hitting limiters before changing gear?
Pd life 🔥🌍👊🏽
Jamie - Always wondered if you should add a "break test" round too ? I know its a bit "carwow did it first" but cars without decent stopping power - is the automotive equivalent of 'skipping legs day' in the gym!
Brake tests are moronic. Just comes down to tyres and on higher end cars aero.
@@PiOfficial Sure - if you ignore: Weight, weight distribution, brake size, number of pistons in callipers, brake bias, size of master cylinder, disc material, pad material, fluid etc. Also a large percentage of cars on this channel are modified middle of the range cars - a brake test those with experience ahead.
@@AK88onCars the only thing you mentioned that makes any difference is weight distribution. Although it’s so marginal that the variation in road conditions between the two different sides of a track will make it impossible to measure.
Stock brakes can take more kinetic energy out of a moving car than any road legal tyres can handle. Brake upgrades don’t affect stopping distance all cars basically stop in the same distance when equipped with the same tyres.
If you don’t believe me turn off abs and slam your brakes in literally any car ever made at 60mph and you will lock the wheels because the brakes aren’t the weakpoint the tyres are.
If you want to see how much weight comes into it check out how friction coefficient changes with loading on modern tyres. It’s a few % at the extremes.
@@PiOfficial Appreciate the educated reply 👍 Your right (at speeds less then 60mph), but only in a vacuum (figuratively speaking) where conditions are perfect and heat and inertia are playing no part. In your example, you also take that standard breaking system around a track and by the second lap - the effectiveness of the brakes have reduced significantly, and the balance of all those other points come into play. Then, a car with a better braking set up, will show up cars with 2x the straight line performance. This applies equal parts to suspension, tyres, cooling, engine, control systems, etc every part of the car.
And I guess that's the point I'm getting to, in your 20's you build cars that are "all gas, no brakes". You then take said unbalanced car off the street, and find on most focus settings, it excels at nothing (personal experience, loony numbers in FWD hot hatches - good fun, but flawed).
When you're more of a grown up, you build your car in equal parts, as what you then build is more complete car that does better all around. Life's rarely straight lines.
Gota love how how you talked about the turbrbo on the VRS and filmed the generator XD
3:27 yeah thats a dope looking turbo my guyy
Fook driving that around smelling smoky thing good race tho
Great racing. Close cars. Seemed gear changes were pivotal in the outcome.
A rare sight of a modern Golf with a manual, props to him
I've just donated 🙏
Diesel did well man. And remember its a 1.9 8v SPD vs a much more modern 2.0 16v twin cam
Currently own a little VRS as a second car, great motors but not cheap to get to that power level. Did well though, great racing
😄😄😄😄 when you talked about the skodas turbo you showed the Generator-that was funny 😁 😂 😀
That's edition 35. CDL engine. Same as s3 golf R mk6
Very good engine 👌🏻 could have reached 400 bhp without any problem 😂
Mk4 tdi done it in 13.09 in damp so it’s faster than the gti but similar power to the VRs
I have had both and must say I love the diesel I never thought I would say that but it true. God bless your little 1 mate I hope she is doing well!!
God bless the Jack's daughter...thank you OG!
I used to own a tuned Fabia vrs, very quick car for the brief 1500-2000rpm window where it makes power. Not a lot before or after it. I think that's where you can see the petrol powered car with its broader power band pulling away. Still, chill with the throttle and that Fabia will still do north of 55mpg! Lol
Not with a massive lazy turbo and drilled bowls it won't