BYU Football Rolls Wyoming & Still Has Questions Lingering Even With 3-0 Mark | BYU Cougars Podcast
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- The BYU Cougars improved to 3-0 on the season with their dominant 34-14 win over the Wyoming Cowboys and Jake Hatch said the performance was workmanlike and was more impressive than many are giving Kalani Sitake and the BYU football program credit for due to an absurd defense and imprivng offensive output spearheaded by quarterback Jake Retzlaff.
Jake then took some time to examine three particular areas of concern for Brigham Young University (BYU) to address before they open Big 12 Conference play next Saturday with the third down efficiency being downright abysmal, opposing quarterbacks killing the Cougars in the run game and a need for more consistency in the run game despite injuries
Finally, the show wrapped up with listener reaction to the win for BYU with thoughts on Pokai Haunga, Gerry Bohanon, Chase Roberts, and Darius Lassiter, among others, as well as what BYU fans want to see from the Cougars as they now turn their attention to Big 12 play with a need to see them level up in a number of areas ahead of the Kansas State Wildcats showdown.
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Jake, on the penalties, 9 for 80 wasn’t totally on BYU those MWC refs sucked. That holding call on Connor Pay was ridiculous
There’s missed calls by even the best officiating crews. Most of the penalties were legit, and the crew did just fine.
The petty holding calls were ridiculous
@@brandonl2555I agree with the exception of the one against Conner Pay.
Retzlaff was hot and cold last night. When he was cold, he was very cold. Lassiter was showing his frustration openly.
Lassiter needs to focus then!! Team first!
I don’t have any questions. There is loads of talent at receiver. RBs are getting plenty of experience, O line is solid. Defense is special, and will keep us in every game. Special teams are also good , and our QB did not stink. 3-0 is fantastic. Just enjoy.
Lots of faith! blind faith! Jake was not good. His WRs bailed him out. You could see their frustration, Lassiter wouldn’t even acknowledge him after his touchdown. Jake throw 3 picks before we even scored 14 points. One was dropped, and one came down out of bounds. Jake was bad. How many throws to wide open guys were late or on the ground?
What the coaching staff has failed to do with the running game is reason enough to fire ARod. BYU hasn't had a running game for 3 years......
How does Jake make Retzlaff mvp? Should have been picked at least 2 more times. A whole slew of errant throws. Against much better defenses Ret,laff will look just like last year. 7 games are enough to show what Retzlaff is and what he isnt. The 3rd down debacle is squarely on Arod.
BYU struggles with running QBs this year. KSU’s QB will run at will if we don’t get Kelly to spy him out. Here’s hoping we can keep that QB contained. But if I’m honest, I predict an ugly game next week 😳
Pokes fan here; I was at the game. Total domination by BYU’s defense. However, giving up 14 points was probably 11 points too many.
First half TD - I agree - However, having 3rd line guys play defense and nearly stopped a second half TD is great. Need to get them some looks in game.
Also if you guys don’t want Jake, we would happily take him off your hands.
@@ahinton54he would have thrown 6 ints against our defense. Be carful what you wish for!
Jake, people are uncomfortable because of "how" BYU has won.
It was obvious Lassiter was unhappy with Jake. Concerned with team unity.
Glad for the win. Team played hard. But I predict we lose all but one or two games the rest of the year. No run game at all. Very inconsistent QB play. I see a lot more turnovers with Jake. It is what it is. He just makes very poor decisions at times and doesn't protect the ball when he runs. But it apparently is the best we have.
It's obvious the WRs are not happy. Fix the morale between the QB and receivers
BYU left points out there in this game too. The INT obviously, but there were some of the worst holding calls I think I’ve ever seen called that cost them points too.
That last one on Pay was ridiculous. Why are refs unnecessarily extending a blowout?
Felt like we had 17 more points out there we missed out on due to silly things.
Here's the problem. We just got to deal with so many years is Tuiaki's defense "getting it done" because we were winning games. His defenses were terrible and set BYU back 1 to 2 years. Arod and the offense are currently in the same situation. Arod and Retzlaff are "getting it done" right now but we saw last year how our early wins were a mirage. Unless we win 8+ games this year, Arod needs to be let go, and we have to figure out how to address the QB situation because I truly don't believe retzlaff will get it done in big12 play. I hope I'm wrong, but the "getting it done" argument would work better on me if we hadn't spent so many years not making changes because we were "getting it done".
I feel more confident we can get to six wins after three weeks. I also feel more confident we will not exceed 7 wins. Our QB is mediocre at best. Nice guy, but mediocre…. And I don’t think Bohanon would be that much better.
We need to develop QBs internally in the future. The portal I don’t think is the answer, especially for QBs.
Preach!!!!
A for the offense? A for aggravating. They scored 27 against the same defense ASU hung 48 on. They hit Bronco's expectation of 24 so that's a C. But given there were at least 5 interceptable passes keeps the fans in edge despite the BYU medias' attempts.
B for the defense? They do need to be able stop 3rd downs and qb runs in obvious situations at the goal line.
Special Teams. Well that td return was great! And the field goal kicking was solid.. But one play can't them an A. Subtract the spanked punt and the bringing the ball out of the end zone for a loss probably leave them at a C
Don't look now, but BYU has beaten the spread in all 3 games by at least 2 scores. I'm cautiously optimistic...
What would be the conversation if they other 2 possible INTS were actually completed? Would we still be saying this about Jake? He still seems to take too long to settle in. He's making some really rash decisions and his arm is questionable. Its not the positive vs negative with him, its the inconsistency to be great. He's either playing as bad as you can in a QB or as great as a QB as you can. Theres not inbetween. I want consistency. I still say he is on a short leash in Big12 play.
The issue the coaches are concerned about with Jake is a few things, Turnovers, 3rd down conversion rate, scoring inside the red zone. Against a bad Wyoming defense Jake got the numbers and thats why you read some fans say "look at Jakes #'s" . If Jake continues to turn the ball over at the rate he is now the Big 12 beat up this offense. Jay Hill needs to be a Cougar for life. After 1 and a half years of recruiting and walking into one of the worst defenses in the Big 12 Jay has made this defense fun to watch, when's the last time you watched a BYU game to see the defense? Jay is a master evaluator of talent and gets guy's the big schools either miss on or Jay get them to BYU and will have what he needs in the next year to rival the best defense in the Big 12 with Utah. 10yrs for 30M to Jay now so we don't lose him after 3 yrs building a winning program. Very worried about the offense and the lack of efficiency and Turnovers, unless Jake all off the sudden stops turning over the ball over this season will look like last year, missing a Bowl, with a solid defense. 3-0 is great but it was great last year.
Compare Retzlaff, to All D1 QBS! Far from not good!!! All he is going to do is get better!!!
Great position to be in when we are nitpicking a blowout win. Jake started off shaky, but settled in and took care of the ball. I remember when Zach got destroyed by fans right up until the moment he destroyed the college football landscape. I've seen enough to give him some space.
I think BYUs defense is much better but too 25ih?
You’ve played a mediocre FCS team, a awful Wyoming team that and a SMU team that was still playing around with two quarterbacks for some reason that struggled vs Nevada
Stop a good offense / team and then maybe.
Now you’ve played well versus bad teams which is great for y’all. But I wouldn’t call it too 25 given you’ve not played a good team yet imo
So we’ll versus k state and then that statement would be legitimate
Imperfect people too often expect perfection from others. Unfortunately, far too many are way to confident in the value of their opinions and share them too freely.
All our past QB greats threw quite a few picks.
I do wish we had a better third down conversion production.
We are going to need it.
It helps that Kansas State is at home at night, and that we've faced 3 dual threat QBs leading up to it. Avery Johnson hasn't thrown 200 yards in a game yet this season, and I don't think he's going to beat us through the air. And outside of UT Martin, their offense in the other 2 games were under 400 total yards. I believe in Jay Hill to dial something up to keep him contained and it's going to be another defensive showdown like the SMU game. We can beat any team on our schedule if Retzlaff can take care of the ball.
Which Retzlaff will show up next Saturday Night. Is he giving us false hope, or will he deliver a 4-0 start? Defense may do another victory.
Jake is not a good quaterback. This will become abuntantly clear next week. Jake will be benched next week.
It was a good run. Actually it was a bad run. Jake would be a really good FCS QB. He does not belong in FBS, especially Power 4.
G-bo looked great.
If only coaches would bench such a liability
@@dr.evil7722 Next week.
The fact that these QBs are the best this staff can recruit is indictment enough. ARod needs to go at year’s end.
I believe Bohanon is the better of the two; I do not fully understand why the coaches are circling the wagons around Retzlaff.
Retzlaff still concerns me. We only had 1 interception, but he had multiple other throws that were awfully close to being intercepted. With Wyoming it wasn’t an issue. But a #14 Kansas…
Kansas STATE, please. Kansas is to us what Utah is to you...
Byu qb was lucky the wyoming Defense can't catch, or there would have been 8 picks.
Anyone that thinks JR is “the guy” is just a homer or blind to the truth ..he is statistically proven to be a turnover machine ..I wish this wasn’t the case
The defense has looked great this year. Last year they passed the eye test, but statistically weren't good. We'll see how they fair against conference opponents. If our defense continues to dominate, I fear we will lose Jay Hill. If I had to choose between Kalani, and Hill, I'd choose Hill at this point. Hopefully we can hang onto both, but Hill will need a big raise.
On the QB, last year an Oklahoma podcast put it perfectly after the game. They said he'll make some throws that makes you think he's the best QB in the nation, then turn around and make a throw that makes you scratch your head and wonder how he's a D1 starter. He has an arm and can make some great throws, but it's the inconsistency and turnovers that are holding him back.
The Retzlaf concern is justified, I think. The receivers reaction to Jake is telling. Retzlaf is definitely a gamer... But if you take out the FCS game and this game, what is an honest and fair evaluation of Retzlaf? Happy to be 3-0. I think a change at QB is inevitable. That means some of us feel like if Retzlaf is going to struggle against better competition... Then why not see what you have to work with when the stakes are lower? The QB room must be really depleted... Or the coaches are duped. Retzlaf kinda reminds me of a combination of Lance Pendleton and Charlie Peterson. The ceiling is probably known and limited.
If you take out any qbs best games of course you’re gonna be concerned. If you take out his sr season John Beck is an all time byu bust.
@@brandonl2555 I don't think comparing Retzlaf to Beck is intellectually honest. One clearly had an NFL ceiling. I am not a Retzlaf hater... But what do you think Retzlaf has shown against moderate to strong competition? I am open to being wrong - and I hope I am wrong - but his wreckless play has a commonality. Enduring this makes sense if you believe that the ceiling can stretch higher, but if you think it is what it is (like me), then the coaching staff should be open to testing other options when the stakes are lower.
@@JeffMulitalo that’s revisionist history. John Beck flat out looked like he couldn’t play in the beginning. We remember the legend, but before that he was terrible. I don’t think Retzlaff is going to be a BYU legend, but the upside for him is there.
@@brandonl2555 The revisionist history would have to be pretending that Beck was not playing as a true freshman before Berry broke his hand and Crowton predicting he would be one of the all time greats. A better comparison would be Sarkisian... Sarkisian was pedestrian his first year. Awesome his senior year. I don't know that Retzlaf compares well to Sark so far... We will see....
Compared to all D1 QBS, Jake is doing alright! BYU fans are like a bunch of chickens, one starts pecking and then they all turn into peckers!!! Go Cougs!!!
Why not convert to a full back half back setup instead of a single back. That creates three running backs, including the QB.
The only hope of making a bowl game is that Jake can refrain from single handedly losing 7 conference games. Fingers crossed, but it is not looking likely. He is a walking disaster area. With every play, you hold your breath that he won’t do something stupid. Houston is the only opponent that will be as bad as Wyoming moving forward.
Houston nearly beat Oklahoma
I wouldn't even count on Houston playing badly! Nothing is guaranteed!@
Jake haters need to tell me why throwing for 291 yards, 3 TD’s, leading the team in rushing with 10 carries and 62 yards is not a good performance? Oh yeah, and BYU is 3-0.
3 dirt passes, 1 INT, and against a better team, it would have 3-4 INTs. Thats the problem. Worried about Big12 play. Last year he showed he aint got it with the Big12, need him to still prove himself in conference play.
@@princenikoliBingo!!
100% behind Jake.
All I know is BYU covered and the game went over . $$$$$$
"Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" is right.
He still looks like he needs to slow down a tick. Still spinning 45s on 33 RPM at times.
You are so THelcome.
Is Micah Harper hurt? We haven’t seen him since the first quarter of the SMU game
ASU beat Wyo by 41 and ASU is supposed to finish last in the B12. That tells me we may not be as good ASU, the projected last place team. Also, the 100 yard kick return was fantastic, but that is rare and you can't count on that adding to the score, so without that we won by 13, that isn't that comfortable against a very bad team!
Yes Haunga! Miles Davis is too small between the tackles! Bad decision, Arod. Something else we have seen before from Arod, Confusion about formations and plays, snaps late in the play clock. If the plays are in quickly and everyone is on the same page, the defense is unsure about when the snap is coming. When the offense isn't even set until 5 seconds on the play clock, defense can better time their start across the LOC. I think this is a large reason for the lack of 3rd down conversions!!
Kansas state by 50 plus
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We ain’t going anywhere with Retzlaff. Nice we’re 3-0 because we’re supposed to be. I’m more than happy to eat my words but I doubt we make a bowl game.
We were not supposed to beat SMU.
@@malaw514 please, that SMU was a bunch of frauds hyped up by their billionaire bakers. They’re a trash first year P4 school that naught their way into a dying ACC. SMU is nothing.
Wow! JR haters seem to have had their minds made up...last year🤷Cougar fans can be terribly bias🙄
Celebrate the wins. Was everything perfect? Obviously not. But man there was a lot of good . Way too much negativity from cougar nation
Us BYU fans are incredibly toxic, petty and entitled this year, it’s pretty disappointing. Couch coaches gone wild. Jake made the same damn throw on the run in traffic to Hill that Gerry made at the end of the game in a meaningless situation.
The benefits of Jake being successful far outweigh defaulting to Gerry. Gerry is a rental. 1 and done back to scratch next year, no growth no continuity. That is why Jake has such a long leash, because the coaches also have to win next year, they also have to go on recruiting trips and those are much more successful when the program has growth and continuity…. Imagine the pitch to any player saying yeah we plan on picking up graduate senior qbs each year.
Lassiter needs to pull his head out of his ass, fix the body language and run his routes. SMU and Wyoming both overplayed and took away the deep pass and was giving up the short game. Deal with it, Jake missed you a couple times show some professionalism.
Lots of freshman and sophomore’s playing well on both sides of the ball. This years class is playing phenomenal especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Nice to have a kicker that can hit from 50 plus didn’t have that in the Wilson and Hall years.
Jake’s pocket navigation is fantastic, made the Oline look better than they actually were. Touchdown pass to Lassiter is exhibit A.
The interception was completely under thrown by Jake and one of his signature critical mistakes, but it was also a 1-1 matchup and Epps needed to make better play on the ball.
Any analysis of Bohanans minutes is asinine. Garbage time.
If you think Epps need to make a better play on the ball then you're insane. That was an under thrown ball that put Epps OUT of the play. Don't try to tear down Epps to make Jake look better. He under threw the ball which he doesn't often...
And Lassiter needs to fix it attitude? Absolutely not. They are allowed to be frustrated with their QB when he has bad play. But he also came out and spoke out against what you're saying. Again, 2nd WR you try to drag to defend Jake.
BYU fans are not acting entitled, most would agree we are a 4-6 win team with Retz at QB. What most fans are seeing is that his QB play at times is turnover heavy and missed opportunities, like the time he missed roberts and hill for 4th down conversion and 3rd down conversion. Jake at his peak is great, but when he is not as his peak, its bad. Fans want consistency. He has yet to play a perfect game where his decision making has not been questions. Thats 7 games going back to last year. Like the podcast says, he is what he is at this point.
Bohanon is an unknown QB who people want to see. You don't bring him in without knowing he is still talented.
Retz struggles in Big12 play - there will be a switch.
Great position to be in when we are nitpicking a blowout win. Jake started off shaky, but settled in and took care of the ball. I remember when Zach got destroyed by fans right up until the moment he destroyed the college football landscape. I've seen enough to give him some space.
Don't look now, but BYU has beaten the spread in all 3 games by at least 2 scores. I'm cautiously optimistic...