As far as a central governing body, I would agree, especially for all football functions. They are regional primarily because of travel issues. Numerous officials would quit if they had to travel cross-country to do games. Also, officials doing conference games builds familiarity and recognition with players, coaches, and stadiums!
Google ‘Why do conferences have their own referees?’ The first answer the AI gives is Bias. As far as a governing body…why not the ncaa rather than the conferences?
It is time to stop fining coaches for being honest about the crap officiating. Instead of fining coaches, fine officials when they make an obviously blatant bad call.
Please explain just how stupid it is to have a game in which you are making BILLIONS of dollars but cannot provide full time employees to officiate your game and STANDARDIZE the damned calls??? I've bitched about this for over 40 years, and yet, here we are, still bitching about it.
Because college football isn’t a full time sport. It’s seasonal. If you pay a lawn service to mow your lawn in the summer, are you going to pay them full time 12 months a year?
@@jrandall5736 you definitely can have them on 12 Month Contract. I’m a teacher and I’m on a 12 month contract. I only work 9 months. The other 3 months I stay home and still get paid. They can definitely have the refs do trainings and stuff in the off-season. NCAA has so much money to make that work. Not saying that is the best thing for them to do. But it’s definitely possible and can pretty much easily be done
It’s simply not necessary that those officiating the games work as full time employees. These officials simply need a requisite combination of competence and applied experience. Full time salary and hours for a maximum of one game per week and 13 or so CFB games per year would be wasteful and borderline silly.
@@theathletearchives man I’m still mad about the Bama at Tennessee game 2 years ago. They flagged us 17 times. Many were justified false starts, but they took the game from us in the end when Kool-aid McInstry intercepted the pass in the end zone and returned it out to the 40 or so. The official waited till he got to past the 20, looked at another official, then pulled out a flag and called PI. It wasn’t PI. Earlier in the game one of their DB’s jumped on top of our receiver’s shoulders…no call. One of their defenders lowered his head and hit Bryce with crown of his helmet right in the jaw and they didn’t even call roughing the passer, much less the textbook targeting it was. How can one not think these things are blatant instead of sheer incompetence. You can’t be that damn dumb.
The blind side block on QB was correct call. Players know you can’t peel back or make a blindside block. I had no dog in the fight and my first thought was “the player should be kicked off the team for such a stupid act. He knew he was wrong. Apparently he has no discipline and he’s going to hurt them somewhere else down the road. If you want to be mad at somebody be mad at the stupid player costing South Carolina the game.
Definitely the worst call of the year has already happened - that personal foul penalty against South Carolina on the interception cost them the game - I am a Bama fan and didn't have a dog in the fight - but that was just bad
Get em Josh! Who is “they?” This is a perfect answer for officiating. No accountability. They just do what they want. Players & coaches should stop doing press conferences until refs are required to answer questions about their individual calls.
No, they did on one bad call, too. Just like a targeting called when there was no targeting at all. These refs are throwing games even if they are not intentionally doing so. I don't know about the gambling part of it, so I wouldn't be surprised if games get thrown for that purpose. Josh your spot on and Josh thank you for being the voice.
Yep, but not on the Pick, on the Pass Interference call when SCar had the ball the series before, cost them great field position and a first down. The hit on LSU's QB was a penalty. In all the replays, never saw anything close to PI.
South Carolina was up 4 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had LSU on 4th down. If they don't jump offside they win the game. So blaming the refs is getting old now
I've heard that the umpires in the Korean professional baseball league get every game's performance evaluated on a standardized scale, and those who don't do well get sent down to the minors, just like the players. On the other hand, the good ones get promoted to the big leagues. Why can't we do the same with conferences/divisions in college football?
I had a friend who was a college and NFL official for a combined 27yrs! If you don't think these guys aren't putting in "full-time hours" related to their officiating- think again! No amount of extra time is going to "improve subjective judgments."
@@edkiely2712 they would be more consistent if this was their full time job. There is no reason for them to put in full time hours for a part time job. Do you honestly think they all do a lot of extra work?
@@LanceMan No, Lance, they wouldn't. That's an old wives' tale repeated by people who don't want to repeat what they've heard instead of thinking for themselves. They have full-time officials/umpires in basketball and baseball because they play 3-4 games a week and it has to be a full-time job. What are you going to do with a football official? They only work once a week. The only thing they could do if the job were full time is sit around and watch film all day every day, which migh help them be a littl esharper on more obscure rules, but it isn't going to make them better officials. Watching film taken from a vanage point high above the field and actually being on the ground, with your view often obscured by one or more much larger human beings, are two distinctly different things.
@@LanceMan Explain to me what you mean by "if this was their full-time job?" You want them to officiate 40hrs of games a week?🤣They spend hours reviewing every game they officiate! They are each graded and reviewed separately after each game! They also attended multiple seminars and officiating conferences in the off-season, as well as having to maintain their certification and conditioning standards. You act as if this is just something they "do as a hobby" on the side. No amount of additional time is going to make them understand the rule book better. Eventually, the calls that everyone gets all worked-up over and, thinks that "being full-time" would eliminate, are STILL JUDGEMENT CALLS! There is what's called over-preparation as well!
@@edkiely2712 it's not a full time job for them. If it was there would be more consistent. What's called in one conference should be called in every conference. If the NCAA employed them, there would be no built in advantage when you game is officiated by your officials. Don't say there isn't because even the head coaches know. I am sure they review lots and lots of tapes. Well I am sure some of them do. You are speaking about one officials that you know. Are you 100% sure every other official is as diligent? If you want a full time effort you need to provide full time employment. Officials should be consistent across all conferences and the only way to get that is to make them full time. I am sure there are many officials that put in many additional hours. Just like I am sure there are many that don't. As for them making judgment calls, that true but they also miss tons of calls. What is pass inference on the Big 10 should be pass inference in the Big 12. Can you honestly say that every official calls every penalty consistently?
Interesting story a DE on a winning team said during a post game interview. This DE was a terror who was pressuring the QB early on in the game. Finally the only way the Offense could stop him was by holding him. The holds were extremely obvious things like seeing the jersey being pulled on the back. Intially, they were being called, which slowed the game down. Then only some were called but some weren't. After almost being pulled over backwards on one hold, the DE looked. The ref came over and told the DE, Yeah I know it was a hold but I didn't feel like you would have gotten to the QB so I didn't call it.
Josh you are dead on with your evaluation. Several of those calls against South Carolina in that LSU game was so freaking weak. The pass interference call that wasn’t even close, but the most egregious was that pitiful light shove blocking the LSU QB where he flopped down and made it look like attempted murder. That ref that threw that flag needs to go back to his insurance salesman job and just not come out from his desk ever. He’s doing no one any good on the field. Dude barely got tapped in the should and drew a flag for flopping. You say he popped up real easy and returned to game no problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pure War Eagle fan but I pull for LSU when we’re not playing because my niece is going there. But LSU got a LOT of striped help beating SoCarolina. SEC crews are some of the worst I’ve seen around the NCAA. No consistency from game to game, other than blowing calls several times a game consistently. Sat there watch a USC receiver getting held by the arm but nothing called, several times saw USC D line guys with clear holding against them and even some tackles, yet no holding calls. But there’s plenty of times you don’t see a man move on one side of the ball but get called for a false start, yet when the other team has 4 men throwing their kicks back well before the ball is snapped and not a damn flag was thrown. Lousy. Just lousy officiating.
This is WHY the hell that favoritism doesnt BELONG in sports, PERIOD. You dont get fined for calling out BS in the officiating field. This is why fans feel that a lot of games are rigged in the sports industry because of calls that shouldve been overturned because video shows otherwise. My 2 cents...
Whats sad is that shane beamer for the gamecocks seemed to want to talk about it and how the game should have been an upset but he knew hed get fined. So did his players. Truthfully people keep talking about the 17 point lead but it dropped a lot cause sellers got injured. Otherwise the game wouldnt have been so close.
There’s also a huge problem that certain coaches get away with intimidation on the sidelines. I think it should be a penalty and a fine for this. These officials are afraid to make a call that the coach on their sideline doesn’t like. They need to clean it up asap.
@@EXOmakemeHorololo exactly. As a former official I can tell you I’ve seen the intimidation work and change a game. Saturday Brian Kelly changed how the game was played because they got behind and his team wasn’t responding so he took it over from the sidelines. The Gamecocks were flagged relentlessly until LSU regained control. Saban did it also and was a master at it. Coach K in basketball was awful and had the officials intimidated before the game even started. Too much emphasis is put on certain teams winning and making sure the pecking order remains.
Agreed! College officiating is so out of hand it's sickening. It's to the point that certain teams will get the benefit of the doubt, while the less popular programs have to fight an uphill battle. Don't even get me started on college basketball, which is arguably worse than football... The bias is real people! We deserve better.
all i’ll say is this: it’s getting to the point where NFL officiating looks better than CFB officiating, and that it one of the main reasons why I’m slowly starting to stop taking mid season NFL games, playoff games seriously. officiating is always why CFB was better than the NFL until more gambling was legalized in more states and pushed by the media outlets. NFL is only better if your watching competition (player on player) (coach on coach)
Nearly everything you stated was incorrect. NFL officiating has been better than college officiating for decades if not forever. Also, you’re just making a wild guess about gambling having anything to do with bad officiating.
@@j.akelly9775it ain’t a wild guess if it’s truth with all the players getting warnings and banned from gambling on the facilities. check Chiefs games last year check check Cowboys games last year heck even check the Bengals vs Chiefs game, 3 calls that either didn’t even happen or was called off
@@JWCFB man, it’s not hard to imagine that some of these refs are corrupt. Watch the games and think about the situational calls/no calls that the refs make. Look at the how close the games are to the over/under. You probably believe that politicians can’t possibly be corrupt either.
You are doing the lords work Josh. Thank you for bringing attention to the ridiculousness of college football refs. I wish I could be as bad at my job and have zero accountability like these refs
There’s a reason I have a sticker w/SouthEastern Conference Officials superimposed on a picture on a blind man wearing Zebra stripes, dark glasses, a cane, & a seeing eye dog….
Nobody noticed the HUGE officiating blunder in the Friday night game between UNLV and Kansas. Kansas lead in the closing minutes of the game with UNLV driving on a 4th and 1 at the 3 yard line. UNLV gets the 1st on a QB sneak for 1st and goal at the 2 but there was a dead ball personal foul after the play moving the ball to the 17 yard line. Ok but the problem is that the refs gave a 1st and 15 instead of 1st and goal. To make it worse, UNLV picks up yet another first down AGAIN at the same 2 yard line which they had just got the first down on a 4th down play just 3 plays earlier. UNLV went on to score two plays later I believe. I was so confused. After the initial 1st down at the 2 and subsequent personal foul, it should’ve been 1st and goal from the 17 or 4th and 16, not 1st and 15 with another chance at first down. No coaches or commentators caught it and I still have yet to hear any expert point it out.
@@nategrandusky172 it really was. It’s hard to explain on here but if you can find the final few minutes of that game go watch it. The refs definitely screwed it up. I’m just shocked that Kansas’ coaching staff didn’t catch it.
I'm curious why don't we just have a challenge for flags and such, make it go to the league office and hold them accountable, also it must become a thing to clarify what is a penalty and what is not
So you want the games to last 12 hours reviewing all flags? Personally I think they should get rid of replay. Fans have to wait 3 minutes to know if they should cheer or boo the play. If an official makes a terrible call, fire them or at very least don’t renew their contract at end of season
@@jrandall5736I'm saying have it like a challenge flag , you get one per game and if you don't get loste a timeout or something like that, for Instance the super bowl last year while I'm no eagles fan I think a team should be able to challenge a call and go directly to the ruling sanction and make them make the call so it holds them accountable for the decision Instead of shifting responsibility to the refs but never doing anything about it
This is where the ADs of the BIG & SEC need to tell their conference administration that they either create an officiating standard and master plan to hire and train officials to it, or they will remove the commissioner. The commissioners have 30 days to have the entire plan completed.
The disturbing pattern and trend that I'm noticing is the disparity between the officiating during innocuous and unimportant Downs versus critical and pivotal Downs. I am seeing lots of non-calls and laissez-faire officiating when the plays don't really matter. Then I am seeing thumbs pressing scales during the pivotal snaps of the game. A guy who's been holding all night without being flagged will get that flag at the most crucial moment, for example. Or they will let one line hold all night and flag the other for the tiniest infraction. Another common one is letting wideouts and CBs play until one team lands a massive pass late game, then out comes the phantom PI call. If this trend is true then it suggests the obvious. Deliberate manipulation to affect game outcomes through officiating
The LSU vs South Carolina game did feel like it was gambling related because it was so one sided against South Carolina. They took 14 points away and a penalty I've never seen before. Ineligible receiver downfield but it was a receiver that was called? WTF? The NFL has been so bad as well through 2 weeks.
True that-- from what I understood, "ineligible downfield" meant offensive linemen (unless they reported as tackle-eligible), not normally eligible receivers (after all, why would an eligible receiver be treated like he was a lineman?).
@@elwinvanzile3944 If that were the case (that it was a simple mistake in the uniform number), then that's forgivable-- however, IMO, more blatant mistakes such as treating receivers as linemen are more egregious.
Holding is the most obvious, but I have noticed more than one call where a QB throws an interception, starts to move to pursue the ball-carrier, gets blocked, and out comes a personal foul flag. If you are pursuing the ball carrier, you can be blocked!
Why aren't confrences forced to publish what they're telling referees to focus on that week? Especially if it has such large consequences for both the teams playing AND the sports gambling industry.
Never in 30+ years watching this sport have I even entertained the idea that college football might actually be scripted. After watching that SC-LSU game I’m really not sure who or what to believe anymore. Holy moly.
I REALLY wish that Shane Beamer just sucked up the fine and told everyone what they said about the calls. I know he can take the fine. Obviously nobody wants to take it, but I think he almost needs to for any progress to be made
there is no find for him to tell y’all what they said 😂brian kelly literally told media what the refs told him. beamer didn’t tell sc fans because they gave the reasoning and he can’t really argue it . better to let yall be in a uproar about it
Many times the officials review calls Made on the field. But even after their reviews, they still get it wrong! For example, Notre dame - NIU game. NIU had the ball with a 3rd and 2 for a first down. The NIU runner made the first down by at least a yard, but the official marked the ball short. The NIU Coach contested the mark And the play was reviewed. The bad call was allowed to stand. Unbelievable and Inexplicable! NIU eventually won, but it certainly looked like the officials were on Notre Dame's payroll
No, but I saw the one in 2020 against Arkansas that they actually lost, but gave it to them. It’s the one where Bo Nix did the backwards spike. Dumbasses
As an AU fan, yes that PI should've been another int for Thorne. But thing is, it was truly a makeup for them competely screwing AU on several calls earlier. It's overall just pathetic. Not to forget SC getting shafted last weekend. I saw the comment that Ray tanner should go out guns blazing and light up the officiating crew and make some change happen
If they are going to say a QB isn't allowed to be blocked under the same rules as anybody else then they should also say a QB is not allowed to try to make a tackle after an interception. That said, the most sure way to get a flag is to immediately put your hands up in the air like you didn't do anything and start looking around for a flag.
they called the same penalty on lsu earlier in the game 😂the rule wasn’t because he was a quarterback it’s because it was a blind side block ? how come you not mad at the same call that was called on lsu ?😂
@@jdogexceeder1820lmao maybe if bro didn’t try to get a cheap shot in his team could have won bro gave lsu 2 penalties back he deserves to get the W with lsu for his efforts
Same thing every year, and the sad reality is that we will never get proper accountability for ANYTHING in this country. This isn't just an officiating issue, but a greater systemic issue in this country. So many systems are broken and no matter how much change we demand we will never see change because the powers that be care more about power and greed, and less about integrity. Businesses, law enforcement, officiating, politicians, etc. When something goes wrong, the blame is on everyone else and not the people actually responsible, and it is frustrating.
The most opinions I have heard are not about gambling. Many people feel that the fix is in because the conference wants certain teams to win and the officials help them.
No doubt. Absolutely no doubt. They simply will not allow darlings to lose certain games or play in big ones. As a WVU fan I have witnessed NOT being allowed to win against Oklahoma multiple times, Pitt in 09, Oklahoma State, Miami, etc. yhe refs were all the difference. Bs holding, bs personal fouls. In fact once we played Texas, away, and the refs just ejected our O-lineman. No warning, no explanation. The guy was crying because it was one of his last games and he didn't know why he was ejected. Nobody knew why.
I dont think it was bad officiating, they were allowing lsu to hold on every play while calling procedure penalties on carolina. This was intentional not ignorance
During the SC/LSU game, I was yelling at the TV "Get off your knees ref you're blowing the game"!!!!!! Pass interference my eyeballs. LSU should have lost.
I still find it ridiculous that you are not allowed to criticize a group that, in some instances, literally decides the outcome of a close game. So stupid to say, "Yeah, they missed that call in the 4th quarter and it screwed us. Everyone watching knows it.' and then you get fined.
Perfect Subject to discuss the week of the Ark vs Auburn football game. History of this matchup has numerous “incidents” of the Officials handing out the wins/losses themselves with clearly incorrect calls.
Yep. My dad always told me to check the scores at halftime, look at the momentum of the betting, and you’ll see the officials make sure the bookies win. Whether shaving points, or calling BS penalties on break out plays bringing them back, it’s sadly very obvious if you pay attention to the betting lines. And ppl forget, with spreads, they don’t have to help the team “win”, just make sure the spread isn’t covered according to the weight of the bets and where the majority of the money falls.
You need to address this from the players' perspective. They have no idea what will be called. When a textbook tackle gets flagged, when a game-altering play gets reversed because a legal play draws linen, why should we watch?
Josh do a little due diligence as to why former NFL white hat and former PAC12 head of officiating Tony Corrente quit his PAC12 position!...He was very frustrated with his PAC12 boss who had zero experience officiating college football
SEC Head of Officiating: John McDaid Big 10 Coordinator of Football Operations: Bill Carole Big 12 Coordinator of Officials: John Higgins ACC Supervisor of Officials: Alberto Riveron Those are the people who should be held accountable
As a Miami hurricane fan, I can’t agree with this more. For years we have had bad call after bad call against us. There was a stat one of our coaches mentioned that in the 2 years he had coached defense, there’s was not a single holding call in favor of our defensive line.
There should be a process to review calls after the games where the leagues should have to answer to what happened in their games and especially for playoff games including officiating and reviews. You are right, they currently do not have to answer to anyone.
NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA, all officials are screwing games up and having the reviewers in NY is making biased calls. Online gambling has made sports crooked.
I was on the D1 radar for many years as a D3 college football official... sadly many blacks were promoted ahead of me that never graded out better than me... this is the result.... very sad and unfortunate
There are far too many white officials at issue for you to lazily blame the “blacks.” It’s a conclusion drawn without investigation or examination. You’re drawing conclusions from a raw and racist hunch.
Great show 🎉..... It is crazy..... No problem their system works and the fans will just watch and complain but we aren't going to stop watching..... They know that..... Thanks for making the video..... I enjoy watching college football 🏈.... it's crazy now if the QB gets tackled too hard there's a flag on the field..... It's football.....
One thing in the Kentucky - UGA game I'd never seen before was a facemask call on a Kentucky player who literally had his entire helmet ripped off his head (by the facemask!) and thrown to the turf by a UGA player. Maybe the UK player also had a facemask, but he DEFINITELY had a facemask committed against him simultaneously. Not to pick on UGA. There were some bad calls and non-calls going both ways in that game.
There was another Kentucky player who grabbed a facemask away from the tackle. There should have been offsetting facemask penalties on the play. The officials just didn't see the facemask by the UGA player.
As a Dawgs fan, I totally agree. That helmet being ripped off by Starks was one of the most blatant penalties I've seen in a long time. We won but we definitely shouldn't have.
Definition of a blindside block - The NCAA enacted a new rule regarding the blindside block. They've banned "an open field block against an opponent that is initiated from outside the opponent’s field of vision, or otherwise in such a manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend himself against the block.”
Spot on Josh. Milrowe had his helmet ripped off and no call last Saturday. Pass interference has no standard and I have no idea what targeting is as it's not consistent with the defined rules. Example AL vs TN 2022. The TV announcers cover for the poor officiating and that doesn’t help. Officiating comes across as racketeering in some games. You could have run a half hour of bad calls or no calls this year alone instead of just a few. I'd never bet on sports, ever, because it's too corrupt.
They leave it like it is because it provides cover for them to manipulate games and control spreads for whoever has the cash and power to influence them.
My MAN!!! Preach!! There were calls with the Alabama and South Florida game that just were not there. Something has to give! Give these refs full time jobs, pay bumps, insurance etc. I think some of the refs are just guessing at what is going on and throwing flags.
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The refs are fixing games!
@JoshPateCFB don't subscribe to this shill channel. Vegas pays these guys.
@@JoshPateCFB Autrey needs to be fired. He’s the worst and he’s not qualified. He should even be investigated.
This might get censored but this is DEI screwing college sports. (Obviously - but the obvious is what gets censored.)
You mean rigged
I have NEVER understood why there are conference officials, should be a governing body that oversees all games.
As far as a central governing body, I would agree, especially for all football functions. They are regional primarily because of travel issues. Numerous officials would quit if they had to travel cross-country to do games. Also, officials doing conference games builds familiarity and recognition with players, coaches, and stadiums!
Conference officials suck and lead to nothing but conspiracy theories.
"The way it's always been done"
@@JoshPateCFBin that case let’s go back to leather helmets
Google ‘Why do conferences have their own referees?’ The first answer the AI gives is Bias. As far as a governing body…why not the ncaa rather than the conferences?
It is time to stop fining coaches for being honest about the crap officiating. Instead of fining coaches, fine officials when they make an obviously blatant bad call.
How do you know it is a bad call and why don't you become an Official yourself and if you were to become an Official what sport would you work?
@@Michael-gu5kl are you an official?
Are you OK with being fined at work when you make mistakes?
@@Michael-gu5klliterally shut up
What happened to free speech. Sec officials don’t pay coaches pay checks
Please explain just how stupid it is to have a game in which you are making BILLIONS of dollars but cannot provide full time employees to officiate your game and STANDARDIZE the damned calls??? I've bitched about this for over 40 years, and yet, here we are, still bitching about it.
Because college football isn’t a full time sport. It’s seasonal.
If you pay a lawn service to mow your lawn in the summer, are you going to pay them full time 12 months a year?
@@jrandall5736 teachers get paid only for 10months out of the year but have their salaries paid out over 12 months. They can afford to pay the refs.
@@jrandall5736 you definitely can have them on 12 Month Contract.
I’m a teacher and I’m on a 12 month contract. I only work 9 months. The other 3 months I stay home and still get paid.
They can definitely have the refs do trainings and stuff in the off-season.
NCAA has so much money to make that work.
Not saying that is the best thing for them to do. But it’s definitely possible and can pretty much easily be done
@@jrandall5736 missed every ounce of meaning from the comment
It’s simply not necessary that those officiating the games work as full time employees. These officials simply need a requisite combination of competence and applied experience. Full time salary and hours for a maximum of one game per week and 13 or so CFB games per year would be wasteful and borderline silly.
4 days later and I'm still mad about the Gamecocks getting hosed.
Don’t let a 17 point lead when you’re at home get squandered.
@@ryanvolk7577valid point, but 14 points removed.....cmon man
@@theathletearchives man I’m still mad about the Bama at Tennessee game 2 years ago. They flagged us 17 times. Many were justified false starts, but they took the game from us in the end when Kool-aid McInstry intercepted the pass in the end zone and returned it out to the 40 or so. The official waited till he got to past the 20, looked at another official, then pulled out a flag and called PI. It wasn’t PI. Earlier in the game one of their DB’s jumped on top of our receiver’s shoulders…no call. One of their defenders lowered his head and hit Bryce with crown of his helmet right in the jaw and they didn’t even call roughing the passer, much less the textbook targeting it was. How can one not think these things are blatant instead of sheer incompetence. You can’t be that damn dumb.
I love how the 17 point lead is used to justify one horrific call after another going against Carolina. Give me a freakin break.
The blind side block on QB was correct call. Players know you can’t peel back or make a blindside block. I had no dog in the fight and my first thought was “the player should be kicked off the team for such a stupid act. He knew he was wrong. Apparently he has no discipline and he’s going to hurt them somewhere else down the road. If you want to be mad at somebody be mad at the stupid player costing South Carolina the game.
Whoever the refs were at the Gamecocks game should be sent down to high school ball immediately.
Yea. They missed the penalty on the cocks for jumping over the punt block shield.
Definitely the worst call of the year has already happened - that personal foul penalty against South Carolina on the interception cost them the game - I am a Bama fan and didn't have a dog in the fight - but that was just bad
Don't do that to the kids
That crew has been garbage for a while.
Nah we blew a 0-17 led but the penalties didn’t help
Get em Josh!
Who is “they?” This is a perfect answer for officiating. No accountability. They just do what they want.
Players & coaches should stop doing press conferences until refs are required to answer questions about their individual calls.
South Carolina was ripped off in their game against LSU
somebody didn’t watch the game 😂or just biased
No, they did on one bad call, too. Just like a targeting called when there was no targeting at all. These refs are throwing games even if they are not intentionally doing so. I don't know about the gambling part of it, so I wouldn't be surprised if games get thrown for that purpose. Josh your spot on and Josh thank you for being the voice.
Big facts
Yep, but not on the Pick, on the Pass Interference call when SCar had the ball the series before, cost them great field position and a first down. The hit on LSU's QB was a penalty. In all the replays, never saw anything close to PI.
South Carolina was up 4 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had LSU on 4th down. If they don't jump offside they win the game. So blaming the refs is getting old now
I've heard that the umpires in the Korean professional baseball league get every game's performance evaluated on a standardized scale, and those who don't do well get sent down to the minors, just like the players. On the other hand, the good ones get promoted to the big leagues. Why can't we do the same with conferences/divisions in college football?
That is what happens with football in theory. lower level people are evaluated by higher division officials.
Well, we know Angel Hernandez had MLB by the balls & blew that idea here in the States.
Union
As much money as college football makes, they should hire full-time officals. As long as its a part-time job there will always be part-time results.
I had a friend who was a college and NFL official for a combined 27yrs! If you don't think these guys aren't putting in "full-time hours" related to their officiating- think again! No amount of extra time is going to "improve subjective judgments."
@@edkiely2712 they would be more consistent if this was their full time job. There is no reason for them to put in full time hours for a part time job. Do you honestly think they all do a lot of extra work?
@@LanceMan No, Lance, they wouldn't. That's an old wives' tale repeated by people who don't want to repeat what they've heard instead of thinking for themselves. They have full-time officials/umpires in basketball and baseball because they play 3-4 games a week and it has to be a full-time job. What are you going to do with a football official? They only work once a week. The only thing they could do if the job were full time is sit around and watch film all day every day, which migh help them be a littl esharper on more obscure rules, but it isn't going to make them better officials. Watching film taken from a vanage point high above the field and actually being on the ground, with your view often obscured by one or more much larger human beings, are two distinctly different things.
@@LanceMan Explain to me what you mean by "if this was their full-time job?" You want them to officiate 40hrs of games a week?🤣They spend hours reviewing every game they officiate! They are each graded and reviewed separately after each game! They also attended multiple seminars and officiating conferences in the off-season, as well as having to maintain their certification and conditioning standards. You act as if this is just something they "do as a hobby" on the side. No amount of additional time is going to make them understand the rule book better. Eventually, the calls that everyone gets all worked-up over and, thinks that "being full-time" would eliminate, are STILL JUDGEMENT CALLS! There is what's called over-preparation as well!
@@edkiely2712 it's not a full time job for them. If it was there would be more consistent. What's called in one conference should be called in every conference. If the NCAA employed them, there would be no built in advantage when you game is officiated by your officials. Don't say there isn't because even the head coaches know. I am sure they review lots and lots of tapes. Well I am sure some of them do. You are speaking about one officials that you know. Are you 100% sure every other official is as diligent? If you want a full time effort you need to provide full time employment. Officials should be consistent across all conferences and the only way to get that is to make them full time.
I am sure there are many officials that put in many additional hours. Just like I am sure there are many that don't.
As for them making judgment calls, that true but they also miss tons of calls. What is pass inference on the Big 10 should be pass inference in the Big 12. Can you honestly say that every official calls every penalty consistently?
Interesting story a DE on a winning team said during a post game interview. This DE was a terror who was pressuring the QB early on in the game. Finally the only way the Offense could stop him was by holding him. The holds were extremely obvious things like seeing the jersey being pulled on the back. Intially, they were being called, which slowed the game down. Then only some were called but some weren't. After almost being pulled over backwards on one hold, the DE looked. The ref came over and told the DE, Yeah I know it was a hold but I didn't feel like you would have gotten to the QB so I didn't call it.
Jesus 🤦🏼♀️ Which “winning team” was this?
Coaches need to join together and speak out and refuse to pay fines
They want to keep officiating as complicated as healthcare. It’s ridiculous and hugely infuriating.
Josh you are dead on with your evaluation. Several of those calls against South Carolina in that LSU game was so freaking weak. The pass interference call that wasn’t even close, but the most egregious was that pitiful light shove blocking the LSU QB where he flopped down and made it look like attempted murder. That ref that threw that flag needs to go back to his insurance salesman job and just not come out from his desk ever. He’s doing no one any good on the field. Dude barely got tapped in the should and drew a flag for flopping. You say he popped up real easy and returned to game no problems. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pure War Eagle fan but I pull for LSU when we’re not playing because my niece is going there. But LSU got a LOT of striped help beating SoCarolina.
SEC crews are some of the worst I’ve seen around the NCAA. No consistency from game to game, other than blowing calls several times a game consistently. Sat there watch a USC receiver getting held by the arm but nothing called, several times saw USC D line guys with clear holding against them and even some tackles, yet no holding calls. But there’s plenty of times you don’t see a man move on one side of the ball but get called for a false start, yet when the other team has 4 men throwing their kicks back well before the ball is snapped and not a damn flag was thrown. Lousy. Just lousy officiating.
This is WHY the hell that favoritism doesnt BELONG in sports, PERIOD. You dont get fined for calling out BS in the officiating field. This is why fans feel that a lot of games are rigged in the sports industry because of calls that shouldve been overturned because video shows otherwise. My 2 cents...
Whats sad is that shane beamer for the gamecocks seemed to want to talk about it and how the game should have been an upset but he knew hed get fined. So did his players. Truthfully people keep talking about the 17 point lead but it dropped a lot cause sellers got injured. Otherwise the game wouldnt have been so close.
Everything you said josh was straight facts!!
There’s also a huge problem that certain coaches get away with intimidation on the sidelines. I think it should be a penalty and a fine for this. These officials are afraid to make a call that the coach on their sideline doesn’t like. They need to clean it up asap.
They also tend to be on the site of the more veteran coaches
@@EXOmakemeHorololo exactly. As a former official I can tell you I’ve seen the intimidation work and change a game. Saturday Brian Kelly changed how the game was played because they got behind and his team wasn’t responding so he took it over from the sidelines. The Gamecocks were flagged relentlessly until LSU regained control. Saban did it also and was a master at it. Coach K in basketball was awful and had the officials intimidated before the game even started. Too much emphasis is put on certain teams winning and making sure the pecking order remains.
Like Brian Kelly
In the officials ear all game against the gamecocks….
Agreed! College officiating is so out of hand it's sickening. It's to the point that certain teams will get the benefit of the doubt, while the less popular programs have to fight an uphill battle. Don't even get me started on college basketball, which is arguably worse than football... The bias is real people! We deserve better.
Thank you for telling the truth Josh !! Tha fact that head coaches get fined for telling the truth says it all
all i’ll say is this: it’s getting to the point where NFL officiating looks better than CFB officiating, and that it one of the main reasons why I’m slowly starting to stop taking mid season NFL games, playoff games seriously. officiating is always why CFB was better than the NFL until more gambling was legalized in more states and pushed by the media outlets. NFL is only better if your watching competition (player on player) (coach on coach)
Where is your evidence the referees are cheating?
Nearly everything you stated was incorrect. NFL officiating has been better than college officiating for decades if not forever. Also, you’re just making a wild guess about gambling having anything to do with bad officiating.
@@j.akelly9775it ain’t a wild guess if it’s truth with all the players getting warnings and banned from gambling on the facilities. check Chiefs games last year check check Cowboys games last year heck even check the Bengals vs Chiefs game, 3 calls that either didn’t even happen or was called off
NFL officiating has always been better, it’s not even a debate
@@JWCFB man, it’s not hard to imagine that some of these refs are corrupt. Watch the games and think about the situational calls/no calls that the refs make. Look at the how close the games are to the over/under. You probably believe that politicians can’t possibly be corrupt either.
You are doing the lords work Josh. Thank you for bringing attention to the ridiculousness of college football refs. I wish I could be as bad at my job and have zero accountability like these refs
I'm in my 70s. Every conference officiating in both football and basketball have always been different with different priorities. Nothing new here.
There’s a reason I have a sticker w/SouthEastern Conference Officials superimposed on a picture on a blind man wearing Zebra stripes, dark glasses, a cane, & a seeing eye dog….
Nobody noticed the HUGE officiating blunder in the Friday night game between UNLV and Kansas. Kansas lead in the closing minutes of the game with UNLV driving on a 4th and 1 at the 3 yard line. UNLV gets the 1st on a QB sneak for 1st and goal at the 2 but there was a dead ball personal foul after the play moving the ball to the 17 yard line. Ok but the problem is that the refs gave a 1st and 15 instead of 1st and goal. To make it worse, UNLV picks up yet another first down AGAIN at the same 2 yard line which they had just got the first down on a 4th down play just 3 plays earlier. UNLV went on to score two plays later I believe. I was so confused. After the initial 1st down at the 2 and subsequent personal foul, it should’ve been 1st and goal from the 17 or 4th and 16, not 1st and 15 with another chance at first down. No coaches or commentators caught it and I still have yet to hear any expert point it out.
That’s crazy
@@nategrandusky172 it really was. It’s hard to explain on here but if you can find the final few minutes of that game go watch it. The refs definitely screwed it up. I’m just shocked that Kansas’ coaching staff didn’t catch it.
I'm curious why don't we just have a challenge for flags and such, make it go to the league office and hold them accountable, also it must become a thing to clarify what is a penalty and what is not
So you want the games to last 12 hours reviewing all flags? Personally I think they should get rid of replay. Fans have to wait 3 minutes to know if they should cheer or boo the play. If an official makes a terrible call, fire them or at very least don’t renew their contract at end of season
@@jrandall5736I'm saying have it like a challenge flag , you get one per game and if you don't get loste a timeout or something like that, for Instance the super bowl last year while I'm no eagles fan I think a team should be able to challenge a call and go directly to the ruling sanction and make them make the call so it holds them accountable for the decision Instead of shifting responsibility to the refs but never doing anything about it
@jrandall5736 Games would only be a few minutes longer and it's better to make sure the call is right
I’m a SEC fan, not USC or LSU, but the calls on those teams was bad at least two times.
A big part of the gift wrapped win for michigan this past weekend. Ridiculous amount of missed calls that would've changed the outcome for USC.
This is where the ADs of the BIG & SEC need to tell their conference administration that they either create an officiating standard and master plan to hire and train officials to it, or they will remove the commissioner. The commissioners have 30 days to have the entire plan completed.
The disturbing pattern and trend that I'm noticing is the disparity between the officiating during innocuous and unimportant Downs versus critical and pivotal Downs.
I am seeing lots of non-calls and laissez-faire officiating when the plays don't really matter. Then I am seeing thumbs pressing scales during the pivotal snaps of the game.
A guy who's been holding all night without being flagged will get that flag at the most crucial moment, for example. Or they will let one line hold all night and flag the other for the tiniest infraction. Another common one is letting wideouts and CBs play until one team lands a massive pass late game, then out comes the phantom PI call.
If this trend is true then it suggests the obvious. Deliberate manipulation to affect game outcomes through officiating
Bingo. And now with sports betting being pushed to the front, corruption is the method to make the money.
After the call against Jalon Walker I looked at my son and said this game is broken.
The LSU vs South Carolina game did feel like it was gambling related because it was so one sided against South Carolina. They took 14 points away and a penalty I've never seen before. Ineligible receiver downfield but it was a receiver that was called? WTF? The NFL has been so bad as well through 2 weeks.
True that-- from what I understood, "ineligible downfield" meant offensive linemen (unless they reported as tackle-eligible), not normally eligible receivers (after all, why would an eligible receiver be treated like he was a lineman?).
The only thing I could think of was they gave a wrong jersey number
@@elwinvanzile3944 If that were the case (that it was a simple mistake in the uniform number), then that's forgivable-- however, IMO, more blatant mistakes such as treating receivers as linemen are more egregious.
It's not broken, it's FIXED!
100%
@@Joe-sm9qj Provide evidence or shut up.
@@JWCFB you shut up. There have been arrests for refs fixing games. Timothy Donaghy comes to mind.
Holding is the most obvious, but I have noticed more than one call where a QB throws an interception, starts to move to pursue the ball-carrier, gets blocked, and out comes a personal foul flag. If you are pursuing the ball carrier, you can be blocked!
Why aren't confrences forced to publish what they're telling referees to focus on that week? Especially if it has such large consequences for both the teams playing AND the sports gambling industry.
That SC LSU ref crew may cost us a playoff spot 🤦♂️
Never in 30+ years watching this sport have I even entertained the idea that college football might actually be scripted. After watching that SC-LSU game I’m really not sure who or what to believe anymore. Holy moly.
That’s the first time I ever truly questioned the integrity of the sport
Not me, I’ve been watching refs point shave and padding for years and years.
If you want the officiating to get better, stop watching and betting on games. All they care about is money.
There was a text book targeting in the AU v NM game and they said it wasn't post review. It was a clear targeting as it has been defined.
I REALLY wish that Shane Beamer just sucked up the fine and told everyone what they said about the calls. I know he can take the fine. Obviously nobody wants to take it, but I think he almost needs to for any progress to be made
there is no find for him to tell y’all what they said 😂brian kelly literally told media what the refs told him. beamer didn’t tell sc fans because they gave the reasoning and he can’t really argue it . better to let yall be in a uproar about it
Everything can be video reviewed quickly these days yet football is not doing it, it’s especially needed on pass interference.
REALLY ? Let me guess who played receiver.... 😁
Many times the officials review calls Made on the field. But even after their reviews, they still get it wrong! For example, Notre dame - NIU game. NIU had the ball with a 3rd and 2 for a first down. The NIU runner made the first down by at least a yard, but the official marked the ball short. The NIU Coach contested the mark And the play was reviewed. The bad call was allowed to stand. Unbelievable and Inexplicable! NIU eventually won, but it certainly looked like the officials were on Notre Dame's payroll
Did anyone else see the Auburn game? Holy cow!
No, but I saw the one in 2020 against Arkansas that they actually lost, but gave it to them. It’s the one where Bo Nix did the backwards spike. Dumbasses
The PI call against Cal was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen!
@@litedawg yea it was!
As an AU fan, yes that PI should've been another int for Thorne. But thing is, it was truly a makeup for them competely screwing AU on several calls earlier. It's overall just pathetic.
Not to forget SC getting shafted last weekend. I saw the comment that Ray tanner should go out guns blazing and light up the officiating crew and make some change happen
If they are going to say a QB isn't allowed to be blocked under the same rules as anybody else then they should also say a QB is not allowed to try to make a tackle after an interception.
That said, the most sure way to get a flag is to immediately put your hands up in the air like you didn't do anything and start looking around for a flag.
Or acting like your dead on the ground looking fir flags cuz you threw your 2nd awful interception
they called the same penalty on lsu earlier in the game 😂the rule wasn’t because he was a quarterback it’s because it was a blind side block ? how come you not mad at the same call that was called on lsu ?😂
@@jdogexceeder1820lmao maybe if bro didn’t try to get a cheap shot in his team could have won bro gave lsu 2 penalties back he deserves to get the W with lsu for his efforts
Problem was, that QB wasn’t even blocked!
@@yoc329 I'm not mad about either. I couldn't care less who won that game.
It just wasn't a blind side block.
Facts 0 consistency; accountability. It’s pretty sad we watch this every week.
Same thing every year, and the sad reality is that we will never get proper accountability for ANYTHING in this country. This isn't just an officiating issue, but a greater systemic issue in this country. So many systems are broken and no matter how much change we demand we will never see change because the powers that be care more about power and greed, and less about integrity. Businesses, law enforcement, officiating, politicians, etc. When something goes wrong, the blame is on everyone else and not the people actually responsible, and it is frustrating.
Nice commentary, Josh. Couldn't agree more. Look at Denzel Burke's targeting ejection against WMU. What a shame for these players.
Thank you for covering this
I like how in rugby the ref is micd up so you can hear him the entire time
Matt Loeffler is the worst ref in CFB. CHANGE MY MIND.
@@thedungeondelver Jason Autrey. Meet me at the bike rack after school. It’s go time. (Edited his first name)
Dishonorable mention for Jason Autrey !
@@themaestro5338 Matt "I didn't see any PI, Nick" Loeffler. Matt "That sure was a spike, you're right Gus!" Loeffler.
The UGA - KY game was pretty rough officiating as well as the LSU-SC game. Its wild the games get decided by these calls or lack thereof.
The most opinions I have heard are not about gambling. Many people feel that the fix is in because the conference wants certain teams to win and the officials help them.
No doubt. Absolutely no doubt. They simply will not allow darlings to lose certain games or play in big ones. As a WVU fan I have witnessed NOT being allowed to win against Oklahoma multiple times, Pitt in 09, Oklahoma State, Miami, etc. yhe refs were all the difference. Bs holding, bs personal fouls. In fact once we played Texas, away, and the refs just ejected our O-lineman. No warning, no explanation. The guy was crying because it was one of his last games and he didn't know why he was ejected. Nobody knew why.
The targeting call is so inconsistent from ref to ref. It should have the player suspension part of the penalty removed.
I dont think it was bad officiating, they were allowing lsu to hold on every play while calling procedure penalties on carolina. This was intentional not ignorance
You got it backwards
ambiguous rules equal ambiguous officiating
They even ignore clear video evidence.
During the SC/LSU game, I was yelling at the TV "Get off your knees ref you're blowing the game"!!!!!! Pass interference my eyeballs. LSU should have lost.
We used to say that someone was promoted to their next level of incompetence when someone was promoted that didn't earn it.
I still find it ridiculous that you are not allowed to criticize a group that, in some instances, literally decides the outcome of a close game. So stupid to say, "Yeah, they missed that call in the 4th quarter and it screwed us. Everyone watching knows it.' and then you get fined.
Thank you!! Couldn’t agree more
Perfect Subject to discuss the week of the Ark vs Auburn football game. History of this matchup has numerous “incidents” of the Officials handing out the wins/losses themselves with clearly incorrect calls.
Josh i don't care what anyone says Vegas controls the refs and the refs controls Vegas plain and simple!!!!
Yep. My dad always told me to check the scores at halftime, look at the momentum of the betting, and you’ll see the officials make sure the bookies win. Whether shaving points, or calling BS penalties on break out plays bringing them back, it’s sadly very obvious if you pay attention to the betting lines.
And ppl forget, with spreads, they don’t have to help the team “win”, just make sure the spread isn’t covered according to the weight of the bets and where the majority of the money falls.
The referees made several calls against South Carolina that were obviously incorrect and changed the outcome of the game. Terrible officiating.
You need to address this from the players' perspective. They have no idea what will be called. When a textbook tackle gets flagged, when a game-altering play gets reversed because a legal play draws linen, why should we watch?
great journalism josh
PREACH Brother!!
There was 4 Referees on the SC/LSU Game that had Never Called a Collegiate Football Game Before 😳
That’s on the SEC!!!
Alabama line coach came out and said our center has had his helmet ripped off 2-3 times with hands to the face and not been called
It seems like there's a flag after every big hit not involving the ball carrier. Great channel!
You haven't seen bad officiating until you've watched SEC basketball.
Exactly! Watch any game that is called by Doug Shows and his crew 😤😤
Josh do a little due diligence as to why former NFL white hat and former PAC12 head of officiating Tony Corrente quit his PAC12 position!...He was very frustrated with his PAC12 boss who had zero experience officiating college football
SEC Head of Officiating: John McDaid
Big 10 Coordinator of Football Operations: Bill Carole
Big 12 Coordinator of Officials: John Higgins
ACC Supervisor of Officials: Alberto Riveron
Those are the people who should be held accountable
YOu came correct on this right here.
Just think. This game is 150 years old and there are no set rules.
As a Miami hurricane fan, I can’t agree with this more. For years we have had bad call after bad call against us. There was a stat one of our coaches mentioned that in the 2 years he had coached defense, there’s was not a single holding call in favor of our defensive line.
There should be a process to review calls after the games where the leagues should have to answer to what happened in their games and especially for playoff games including officiating and reviews. You are right, they currently do not have to answer to anyone.
My biggest problem with the officials is the spotting of the ball from Pop Warner to the pros
NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA, all officials are screwing games up and having the reviewers in NY is making biased calls. Online gambling has made sports crooked.
Then the Conference officials wouldn't be able to use their referees to change the outcomes of games.
they are scared to make a call because the rules are so ridiculous that they don't know what to call or not to call
I was on the D1 radar for many years as a D3 college football official... sadly many blacks were promoted ahead of me that never graded out better than me... this is the result.... very sad and unfortunate
There are far too many white officials at issue for you to lazily blame the “blacks.” It’s a conclusion drawn without investigation or examination. You’re drawing conclusions from a raw and racist hunch.
The fact it happened to the Gamecocks... couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of people.
Great show 🎉..... It is crazy..... No problem their system works and the fans will just watch and complain but we aren't going to stop watching..... They know that..... Thanks for making the video..... I enjoy watching college football 🏈.... it's crazy now if the QB gets tackled too hard there's a flag on the field..... It's football.....
Great video. Need more “standardized” sense like this
Nice segment Josh. Completely agree on all counts!
Preach. SEC officiating is abysmal and has been for a few years.
So right on sir. Thank you!!!
Thank you 🙏🏼
One thing in the Kentucky - UGA game I'd never seen before was a facemask call on a Kentucky player who literally had his entire helmet ripped off his head (by the facemask!) and thrown to the turf by a UGA player. Maybe the UK player also had a facemask, but he DEFINITELY had a facemask committed against him simultaneously. Not to pick on UGA. There were some bad calls and non-calls going both ways in that game.
There was another Kentucky player who grabbed a facemask away from the tackle. There should have been offsetting facemask penalties on the play. The officials just didn't see the facemask by the UGA player.
As a Dawgs fan, I totally agree. That helmet being ripped off by Starks was one of the most blatant penalties I've seen in a long time. We won but we definitely shouldn't have.
Refs should have to do post game press conferences to explain how they were calling the game, what they were seeing, etc
No accountability for officials is the main reason why it’s the way it is!
Josh, please keep the heat on these organizations.
Definition of a blindside block - The NCAA enacted a new rule regarding the blindside block. They've banned "an open field block against an opponent that is initiated from outside the opponent’s field of vision, or otherwise in such a manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend himself against the block.”
A$5,000 fine to someone who makes $5 million is negligible. Speak up
Spot on Josh. Milrowe had his helmet ripped off and no call last Saturday. Pass interference has no standard and I have no idea what targeting is as it's not consistent with the defined rules. Example AL vs TN 2022. The TV announcers cover for the poor officiating and that doesn’t help. Officiating comes across as racketeering in some games. You could have run a half hour of bad calls or no calls this year alone instead of just a few. I'd never bet on sports, ever, because it's too corrupt.
They leave it like it is because it provides cover for them to manipulate games and control spreads for whoever has the cash and power to influence them.
Go watch what lead to “ The Hit “ in the 2013 Outback Bowl
Gamecocks have been getting robbed by the refs for a long long time
My MAN!!! Preach!! There were calls with the Alabama and South Florida game that just were not there. Something has to give! Give these refs full time jobs, pay bumps, insurance etc. I think some of the refs are just guessing at what is going on and throwing flags.
Next step to the commissioner’s office. The officials call you.
The NCAA in a nutshell. It runs in spite of itself.
To make things worse, when the playoffs start and differing philosophies start calling teams out of conference then the problems are magnified
I just love that LSU getting an illegal punt block by SC never gets brought up. It’s a 2 way street.