I had someone ear-bashing me the other day about all the reasons not to buy an EV. The usual fairy stories. I didn’t bother arguing with him. I preferred to leave him in ignorance. My Mach E has an NMC battery and was bought second hand with 9000 miles on the clock. I drive about 7000 miles annually inclusive of a couple of long road trips. At 77 I am not bothered about whether my battery will last for 100,000 or 400,000 miles. I am more interested in whether I will still be driving or if the car itself will still be viable. My driving usage is perfect for an EV. Majority of usage is local so home charging once a week is perfect. On a road trip I need to stop about every two hours just for a toilet break. Time to plug in and put some juice back in the battery. Of course, you cannot refill an ICE car and pee at the same time. At least not in polite society.
"I didn't bother arguing with him" The problem is that here in North America we have the STUPIDs (by Cipolla's definition, google it) and they get a VOTE. (Yeah OK, the UK had Brexit ... just as stupid).
Thanks dave, I heard a bloke on the radio today " on bbc wake up to money" say he had to wait 3hrs before he charge up his EV. "I was thinking why dont they listen to dave and the wouldn't have to wait" there are 60k other charging points in the UK. Thanks dave for your ever informative videos.
Maybe the circumstances meant he had to wait, and listening to Dave would not have helped, not everybody has the time or the aptitude to be able to do this, not everybody is a smart arsed you tuber who just wants to show how smart he is, also maybe he doesn't have any internet.
I had to turn off LBC the other afternoon, with the nice female presenter agreeing with a caller that she gets bounced out of her seat every time an EV goes past, because of the extra weight of the vehicle, followed by a lady who had an EV for 4 months and has swapped back to a hybrid because she lived in a flat, couldn't find chargers and then needed an hour to charge the car (presumably she sat in the car the whole time). My Kia E-Niro weighs a little more than the hybrid version but way less than an SUV and in 74k miles I have never spent more than 40 minutes charging the car (having a nice meal while it was so doing).
Have a laugh at this!! A lot of people go to the local supermarket on the way home from work. Many mothers shop when they’ve picked up their kids. That’s why the local supermarket is like Clapham Junction at this particular time!!
Exactly! Why would we do another trip out, when many of us have a supermarket on the way home from work, sounds a bit odd to me! And using more petrol too! So you have to queue for 5 minutes, which is less time than having to go home, then head out to a supermarket an hour later! Fine if you can afford the fuel, the time and absolutely hate queuing.
The main reason we choose to charge electric vehicles fully is pure HABIT. Most of us are transitioning from petrol and diesel to electric. A fuel tank needs filling 100% every week.
But if you're Dave, you would be filling it 100% every 4 weeks with his 20 miles a day lol! I used to commute about 35 miles a day for most of my jobs over the last 30 years, sometimes a bit more. Filling my tank to 100% yes, but every 2 weeks was nearer the norm.
Am I missing something? Maybe its a perk of the retired? For those who have a 9-5 Mon-Fri job and a family waiting at home wanting to go shopping or children go to after school clubs - that then need to be taken home, family fed before you know it, its 8pm only leaving an hour or two before you have to goto bed and repeart.
Spot on - except if you have to travel and range means you need a rapid DC charger. But you're correct that a quick recharge during a comfort break is fine. Quite happy to go out during off-peak for cheap recharge if needs-must. And yes, queuing is the British disease, but we serm to have lost the skill.
They go at 5pm because it's on the way home from work. Who would want to drive home, get relaxed and then go out again later in the evening! ( apart from Dave) Same for EV chargers. Much more convenient to stop at them when travelling to your destination.
Just another Dave thing I guess, not thinking about the millions that don't have time or the spare fuel, to go back out at 6pm to the supermarket they would have passed on the way home! I'm not knocking what he does at what time....perhaps he has more time spare.
We are definitely programmed to queue. I find myself at any and every opportunity queuing. I sometimes find myself behind random groups of people getting annoyed because people are not observing queuing etiquette only to discover it’s just a group of friends chatting. If there is not at least a 20 minute queue at my post office I complain, since the quality of a good queue relies so much on how long you stand there. It’s impossible to evaluate a good queue any less than 20 minutes.
I never, unless on a run, charged my Zoe to full battery. I only charged to the 90% mark. It never failed on me, apart from during the first year of running it.
G. Romero Zombies Dawn of the Dead, all the zombies flocked to the Mall. When I worked on a building site in the early 80's we were paid in cash at lunchtime on a Friday. So many of my workmates went straight down the Bookies. Supermarket shopping was always one of my most hateful chores, so I get my supermarket shop delivered and charge my EV at home. I am yet to charge my Tesla Mod 3 to 100%
I learned a while ago that Li-On batteries health degrade quicker when they are fully charged or fully discharged for extended times So if you have devices that have Li-On batteries that you will not be using for an extended period of time that it is best to store them with about 65 to 70 percent charge to prolong the battery health So, being that I actually seldom drive, say three or four times a week, about 100 a month, I charge to 70% I am balancing keeping the charge low enough to prolong the battery health and having enough range for an emergency evacuation in my rural area that has oh so few charge station
3pm is my time to shop if i must go to one. There is a magical 30 mins, 3-30pm when all the mums are at school. Being a man i can be in and out in under 20 mins for a full shop, as long ad im not with the wife. If im with the wife, i dont leave the car.
Its called routine, like gassing up the car for the week, its what the public want for car charging, once a week ,like a routine. Your my age ish, Hermes 82 and, you ?
Cream cakes! I don't have a weight problem - my wife thinks I do... Having been retired several years, I choose to do my thing when I want. Unless........ can you do "..." before? etc. So, My time's my own unless and until.
But! what do you do on a long journey and the chargers you arrive at are all in use? you cannot always time charging stops to a guaranteed quiet time, that is why I drive a Tesla, you are much more likely to have a spare charger when you arrive.
You don't need a Tesla to charge at almost all tesla chargers now. I aim only for Tesla stations when out and about. Usually hitting them at sub 20 and charging to 80 max. It's a sub 20min stop every 3 hours. 3 hours is enough for me. Also if you hit a station that does have a queue, another one is usually in distance. So I'll gamble that the second station won't have a queue. It's has to be extremely rare to hit a queue twice in a row. I can't remember all ever running into this.
Thought you were going to say buy an Ice minimum 400 mile range top up to 100% full in 3 mins . And contribute to the economy with fuel duty and vat . Plus no wasting time/money buying cups of coffee/ snacks etc that are bad for the waistline .
I had someone ear-bashing me the other day about all the reasons not to buy an EV. The usual fairy stories. I didn’t bother arguing with him. I preferred to leave him in ignorance. My Mach E has an NMC battery and was bought second hand with 9000 miles on the clock. I drive about 7000 miles annually inclusive of a couple of long road trips. At 77 I am not bothered about whether my battery will last for 100,000 or 400,000 miles. I am more interested in whether I will still be driving or if the car itself will still be viable. My driving usage is perfect for an EV. Majority of usage is local so home charging once a week is perfect. On a road trip I need to stop about every two hours just for a toilet break. Time to plug in and put some juice back in the battery. Of course, you cannot refill an ICE car and pee at the same time. At least not in polite society.
"I didn't bother arguing with him"
The problem is that here in North America we have the STUPIDs (by Cipolla's definition, google it) and they get a VOTE. (Yeah OK, the UK had Brexit ... just as stupid).
Thanks dave, I heard a bloke on the radio today " on bbc wake up to money" say he had to wait 3hrs before he charge up his EV. "I was thinking why dont they listen to dave and the wouldn't have to wait" there are 60k other charging points in the UK. Thanks dave for your ever informative videos.
Maybe the circumstances meant he had to wait, and listening to Dave would not have helped, not everybody has the time or the aptitude to be able to do this, not everybody is a smart arsed you tuber who just wants to show how smart he is, also maybe he doesn't have any internet.
@@grahamjohnson4702 maybe he's a disingenuous idiot like MacMaster, who invariably creates his own problems wilfully, in order to cry about it.
I had to turn off LBC the other afternoon, with the nice female presenter agreeing with a caller that she gets bounced out of her seat every time an EV goes past, because of the extra weight of the vehicle, followed by a lady who had an EV for 4 months and has swapped back to a hybrid because she lived in a flat, couldn't find chargers and then needed an hour to charge the car (presumably she sat in the car the whole time). My Kia E-Niro weighs a little more than the hybrid version but way less than an SUV and in 74k miles I have never spent more than 40 minutes charging the car (having a nice meal while it was so doing).
Have a laugh at this!! A lot of people go to the local supermarket on the way home from work. Many mothers shop when they’ve picked up their kids. That’s why the local supermarket is like Clapham Junction at this particular time!!
Exactly! Why would we do another trip out, when many of us have a supermarket on the way home from work, sounds a bit odd to me! And using more petrol too!
So you have to queue for 5 minutes, which is less time than having to go home, then head out to a supermarket an hour later!
Fine if you can afford the fuel, the time and absolutely hate queuing.
The main reason we choose to charge electric vehicles fully is pure HABIT. Most of us are transitioning from petrol and diesel to electric. A fuel tank needs filling 100% every week.
But if you're Dave, you would be filling it 100% every 4 weeks with his 20 miles a day lol!
I used to commute about 35 miles a day for most of my jobs over the last 30 years, sometimes a bit more.
Filling my tank to 100% yes, but every 2 weeks was nearer the norm.
EVs perhaps need to “click off” near 85% and then warn you that the last 15% will be really slow.
Am I missing something? Maybe its a perk of the retired? For those who have a 9-5 Mon-Fri job and a family waiting at home wanting to go shopping or children go to after school clubs - that then need to be taken home, family fed before you know it, its 8pm only leaving an hour or two before you have to goto bed and repeart.
Spot on - except if you have to travel and range means you need a rapid DC charger. But you're correct that a quick recharge during a comfort break is fine.
Quite happy to go out during off-peak for cheap recharge if needs-must.
And yes, queuing is the British disease, but we serm to have lost the skill.
They go at 5pm because it's on the way home from work. Who would want to drive home, get relaxed and then go out again later in the evening! ( apart from Dave) Same for EV chargers. Much more convenient to stop at them when travelling to your destination.
Just another Dave thing I guess, not thinking about the millions that don't have time or the spare fuel, to go back out at 6pm to the supermarket they would have passed on the way home!
I'm not knocking what he does at what time....perhaps he has more time spare.
"There is always choice. We say that there is no choice only to comfort ourselves with a decision we have already made"
When I had my Renault Zoe, I charged up once a week without fail. I only had to queue for the charger twice because I was able to get a charge in.
We are definitely programmed to queue. I find myself at any and every opportunity queuing. I sometimes find myself behind random groups of people getting annoyed because people are not observing queuing etiquette only to discover it’s just a group of friends chatting. If there is not at least a 20 minute queue at my post office I complain, since the quality of a good queue relies so much on how long you stand there. It’s impossible to evaluate a good queue any less than 20 minutes.
I never, unless on a run, charged my Zoe to full battery. I only charged to the 90% mark. It never failed on me, apart from during the first year of running it.
G. Romero Zombies Dawn of the Dead, all the zombies flocked to the Mall.
When I worked on a building site in the early 80's we were paid in cash at lunchtime on a Friday. So many of my workmates went straight down the Bookies.
Supermarket shopping was always one of my most hateful chores, so I get my supermarket shop delivered and charge my EV at home.
I am yet to charge my Tesla Mod 3 to 100%
Habits are hard to break. Being retired means we rarely go shopping Saturday or Sunday its just too busy
Probably families with Kids, get them from school, get to shops , get the dinner on , get them to bed...no other time
I learned a while ago that Li-On batteries health degrade quicker when they are fully charged or fully discharged for extended times
So if you have devices that have Li-On batteries that you will not be using for an extended period of time that it is best to store them with about 65 to 70 percent charge to prolong the battery health
So, being that I actually seldom drive, say three or four times a week, about 100 a month, I charge to 70%
I am balancing keeping the charge low enough to prolong the battery health and having enough range for an emergency evacuation in my rural area that has oh so few charge station
70-80% is fine.
Quick question. So the cycles that a battery can take is that to completely dead / broken, or is that to like 70% capacity?
It’s the useful life that is around 70%: batteries rarely ever get totally flat there is always residual power, just not enough to be useful
3pm is my time to shop if i must go to one. There is a magical 30 mins, 3-30pm when all the mums are at school.
Being a man i can be in and out in under 20 mins for a full shop, as long ad im not with the wife.
If im with the wife, i dont leave the car.
Its called routine, like gassing up the car for the week, its what the public want for car charging, once a week ,like a routine. Your my age ish, Hermes 82 and, you ?
Why is there a Dacia Duster in the Tesla bays?
Cream cakes! I don't have a weight problem - my wife thinks I do... Having been retired several years, I choose to do my thing when I want. Unless........ can you do "..." before? etc. So, My time's my own unless and until.
But! what do you do on a long journey and the chargers you arrive at are all in use? you cannot always time charging stops to a guaranteed quiet time, that is why I drive a Tesla, you are much more likely to have a spare charger when you arrive.
You don't need a Tesla to charge at almost all tesla chargers now. I aim only for Tesla stations when out and about. Usually hitting them at sub 20 and charging to 80 max. It's a sub 20min stop every 3 hours. 3 hours is enough for me.
Also if you hit a station that does have a queue, another one is usually in distance. So I'll gamble that the second station won't have a queue. It's has to be extremely rare to hit a queue twice in a row. I can't remember all ever running into this.
As always Dave, you are correct. A little organisation goes a long way.
It's not organisation, it's called control, you've fallen for the biggest lie since COVID jabs will save granny
Thought you were going to say buy an Ice minimum 400 mile range top up to 100% full in 3 mins . And contribute to the economy with fuel duty and vat . Plus no wasting time/money buying cups of coffee/ snacks etc that are bad for the waistline .
No! Tried all that, hated it, bought an EV never been happier
@@davetakesitonI'm only teasing you it's all about planning it's true .
Can you critique Andrew English’s article in today’s Daily Telegraph?
Arrr the benefits of EVs. Within 2 years, you won't ever have to worry about charging again.