You nailed the Ford RS. I was actually looking to get one and the dealers in the SF bay area were marking it up almost 200% even before the car hit the dealer. At a dealer I got into an unintentionally heated argument when I said "well, for that price I can just walk across the street and buy a Cayman GT4". He said "well then do it". I did, no regrets.
@@Audfile why do you want it to be more expansive? And it was refined enough. The reason it had low sales was the extremely poor safety, and that it was too similar to Corvettes, but worse. If they will ever revive it, it needs to be something revolutionary, or at least special. For example, electrical.
Well see the new viper in less then 5 years. Its a Hybrid 3 cylinder "sport" suv with a low sloping roof line. I heard it actually makes glaciers freeze back solid and the regenerative braking grows kale and alfalfa. Rumored to be only $65,000 and have almost 130hp.
Yeah it did well in Europe because it was being sold for the price it was marked at since it was just a regular high end Focus. You guys in Europe had these before we did, just like you had the Ford Escort Cosworth RS, which we never had in the states.
@@fabulousprofound Its just that Ford Focus RS Mk3 series production ended in 2018 , but its been a bit weirdo Ford model , Mk1 2002-2003 , Mk2 2009-2010 , Mk3 2016-2018 ... RS is a bit better than the normal top model , Focus ST , 2002 - present , now Mk4 . Now when Ford is investing $9 billion in to production plants outside US , to make electric and hybrid car models , hard to say if they make another Focus RS .
@@pete_lind when Ford said they were going to stop selling anything that isn’t a suv or truck in North America (excluding the Mustang) I lost all hope for a new Focus-anything 😓
Honestly just import a commy fron aus or nz they are all over the place here, they are gonan be worth alot soon too especially a genuine right hand drive one
The Chevy SS is one of my attainable dream cars. I see one around my neighborhood in which the owner replaced the Chevy bowtie badges with the original Holden badges. I feel like I’m the only one who knows what those lion badges are.
@@davidvelazquez9473 thats a sin tho, if its lefthand drive it should have holden badges on it. Just as bad as all the bogans down here chucking bowties on theirs😂
Not really. I live in KC. A reasonable sized city. Seen one RS ever. It’s just not a car people really wanted. It was marked up way to much. And for a Car Ford recommended 41,000 for a mark up makes it more expensive then a GT at some dealers. It was a very small group of people that actually wanted one and could afford it. And it’s hard to justify paying 41000 for a Focus . It was a great car just to pricy
@@droopyaguacat3185 Still if I were in the market for an electric, that might be what I'd pick. (Possibly I'd debadge it though cause that's not a Mustang.)
There is someone in my hometown that has a focus RS. They caught me marveling at it in the parking lot of Wal-Mart. The dude was excited that someone even knew what it was, all he had to say was "thanks man, its nice to get a reaction from someone for what i pad for it".
While it has its flaws, I will never forget my test drive in the Focus RS. The first right turn, it did something I had not felt before. Amazing. Ford should have kept this one.
Well, to be fair, most of the people who would be test driving it would just be doing so for $h!ts and giggles. By the time the 4th Ken Block wannabe gets done roasting the tires,,,,,,,,,,,, would you want to buy it ? The obvious solution would be to "screen" the potential buyers to see if they are actually serious customers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but now you have the PR nightmare of stereotyping people,,,,,,,,,,,, which funny enough, would probably end up with allowing test-drives to only the people who could afford it, but don't want it. The method I've been hearing about (like what they are doing for the Type-R Civic) is to have a customer do the test drive as one of the LAST things before closing the sale. This pretty much keeps out the riff-raff, but still depends on buyers basically being sold on the car before even setting foot on the dealer lot.
@@HalfBreedMix No, no, what they're talking about is not the ability to 'test drive', its the fact they make cars completely styled in mind to look/seem cool to young people, but then the *price* is so dang high only people at the end of their career's can actually afford buying it off the lot or like the top 25% of money makers. Which is dumb cause those type of people usually aren't car people and settle with an SUV or luxury sedan etc.
@@Shadowx157 Yeah, I get what you're saying. The problem here is that unlike making an animated movie where we can just change the art style, theme, and plot lines to cater to different audiences but still keep roughly within the same production budget; the hardware/software and R&D that goes into a car shoots the price tag up in a hurry. My parents would tell you that "Kids now-a-days want all the fancy stuff, back when I was in high school - college, just having a car that ran was cool enough". Yeah, yeah, I know "old people talk", but there is some truth to it; younger car people today are spec-sheet comparing,,,,, so up the price tree we go ! Subaru tried to find a middle ground solution with the WRX TR (and I think Mitsubishi had a similar Lancer) where it was a bare-bones car except for the motor and powertrain being the upgraded fast version.
LOL craziest revenge part of Viper lore is that those last Gen 5's, are appreciating in price. People realize that they may be the most visceral, mechanically pure sports car driving experience of the century.
probably the only sports car i know that has leaf spring suspension on the rear wheels... yep that's the viper, and probably no traction control too if i'm not mistaken...
@@pihermoso11 The C7 corvette hade leaf springs front and rear the viper has coilovers. The last viper (gen 5) was the first with traction control as standard.
Experienced the same "No, you can't test drive it," with an STI. I was young-ish (late 20's), but could afford it. Sales slug looked me up and down and declared, "Yeah, we don't really do test drives because people are hard on the vehicle." I was happy to agree that I didn't want to drop my hard-earned cash on something too delicate to test drive. I spent all of 10 minutes in that dealership, and it was 10 minutes too long. I ended-up buying a G37 X which the sales person encouraged me to open-up on the test drive. It was a great vehicle for the years that I owned it. Pro tip, car sales people - know your buyer persona.
Good salespeople treat everyone, of any age or appearance, very well. Because you can't go wrong that way. Even if they can't buy today, they may have a friend/relative/ coworker/ boss who can- and will be told about their treatment, good or bad. Or their situation may change and they will come back and buy from you. If you treated them right. A dealer I bought or leased three vehicles from refused me a test drive. I wound up buying elsewhere, from a dealer who didn't know me from Adam but was happy to offer a test drive.
@@tartaruszelus5473 SRT is technically still a thing. It's just not its own team now. All the members of the SRT division are still working for dodge. they were just integrated into more projects. Such as the TRX, the trackhawk, and the wrangler 392. The SRT babge is still going to be used as well. FCA would be stupid to kill SRT
I would love a Chevy SS.. when I was in the Middle East I drove a Holden-made Chevy Caprice with a 5.7 L engine.. it was like a 4 door Corvette. It was governed at 230 kph (144 mph). I discovered this personally on a road trip through the desert. That was a fine car.
@@lupavo1738 Na he will definitely find it, he wants a white one and almost got one but someone got to the dealership literally 30 minutes before he did and bought it.
The Viper suffered from its high price and the fact it only came out with the 6 speed manual transmission. Also 640hp is puny for a 8.4 liter V-10 engine. Had the Viper came out with a 9 speed automatic option and 1000hp V-10 naturally aspirated engine and more comfortable seats people could justify buying it.
@@Gasolineworld Dodge making a lightweight car? Good meme lol the Hemi’s power and their well managed pricing makes up for the boats they push out. If they didn’t make the Hellcat variants, they’d be known as the slower cars in they competition bracket. They’d need to make the body out of carbon fiber but, unless they put some beefy safety features in the cabin, every car accident would result in the Cuda driver under a tarp.
The contour svt was bad ass and more reliable than a taurus.. but shit.. ever drive the taurus s.h.o..? These cars arnt advertised ... But these dealers have great mid model cars if you can afford it...kind of like the new dart... Look that car up.. that too model srt or what ever has over 300 heurspers...in that tiny shit...
A friend of mine let me drive his 1962 Avanti way back in 1965. It was one of the fastest cars I have ever driven. I don't know if it was a reliable car but it was fun to drive. It made me realize how long it takes to stop a car that is moving at about 150 miles an hour.
Honestly, imo, it's the only Acura that was really worth being called an Acura. The Integra was cool, but it's a rebadged civic, NSX was too short-lived. They started getting it right with the RSX/TSX, but the legend is... well, a legend.
@@dr.science_0177 US only had them as Acuras. Not everyone from US knows their exact car existed in other markets. It's the same with the Ford Contour which is a Ford Mondeo for the rest of the world. 🤣
One that I'd add to this list is the 2004-2006 Pontiac GTO. Fantastic car, great handling, but ultimately killed by several years of delays that meant it was out of style when it dropped (especially compared to the 'just debuted' Ford Mustang of that year. On top of that, Like the Focus RS, dealers didn't allow people to test drive this car, and GM never really put much publicity into it. But it was freakin' awesome. You could get a midnight purple one... WITH A MIDNIGHT PURPLE LEATHER INTERIOR. IN 2004! You could also get a black or red one with a red interior, and a blue one with a bright blue interior. They were genuinely ahead of their time, but GM doesn't know what to do with exceptional cars, clearly, so here we are.
the gto was basically the same car as the ss. they were both based off of the same holden models and rebaged as GM products. one was a coupe the other a sedan version. otherwise same car
On top of that Pontiac just wasn't the legend it used to be, they started the muscle cars with the gto, and they were beat at their own game by the 70s if I'm correct
Can't call something dead that was revived. And since 2004-2006 was an attempt to bring it back that failed, the GTOs technical death was in 1974 after almost 10 years in production. Hardly flop.
And you forgot to mention that Chevy dealers were incentivized to sell the Impala and Malibu when the SS was on sale. You had to ask for it and fight to see one.
They wanted to kill the SS. It was sold just to fulfill a contract. Producing x amount of cars from a factory before they could close it and turn Holden into a full time Malibu and impala importer. Of course they didn’t want it to succeed and necessitate that plant being open for longer.
@@kolinmartz nice to see someone else knowledgeable on why the SS is gone. I'll never understand why they never gave us the GTSR variant but they did for NZ and UK. I would take that over any dodge charger any day of the week
@@haiUnderground Sorry this is gonna be just me rambling on. I’m sleep deprived and it’s late at night. dodge is killing it in the performance full size sedan market right now. They’re the only one of the big three from Detroit even selling a sedan anymore. GM and Ford missed out on this. Chevy could’ve had another section to duke it out on the current horsepower wars brought on by nostalgia over the muscle car era. Excluding the move to cannibalize Holden in Australia, GM in the US especially pussyfooted and put the SS in the market while they already had a full size sedan in their lineup. If they really wanted it to succeed, the SS would’ve taken the Impala nameplate and they would have killed the Epsilon II LWB based sedan. You can also tell they wanted to have both a full size sedan that sips gas and a full sized sedan that has power because they also sold the Caprice to fleet contracts that required power and speed and was willing to compromise on fuel efficiency. And a full-size sedan that dips on gas is pointless anyways. You’ll get a car that sucks at doing both, CUVs get away with this because in the mind of the market they’re SUVs (which they’re not) that is fuel efficient. I got it. This is why sedans are dying. When you have two platforms that have the same performance (a sedan and a cuv), but one offers less practicality but doesn’t give you the performance that it trades off that practicality with, you’ll end up killing the lesser of the two products. This is why sedans are being killed over the cuv. You’re choosing between two vehicles. The compromise is supposed to be between performance and utility. But with one, they never give you the performance just all the trade offs in the utility department. This is also why fwd compact and midsize coupes died.
If I could afford an LFA, I’d buy it without question. Thing sounds beautiful. I had to settle for an LC-500. Planning to put an Artisan Spirit body kit on it as soon as it comes in.
I wouldn't say "Nobody bought" the RS, fairly sure they sold everyone made. I have a 2017 and bought it used in 2019. Has a small oil weep from the head gasket change though but not enough to need to add oil.
Fun Fact NASCAR Minor League Division aka ARCA Racing Series still use bodies based on Chevy SS on their Chevy Model Cars, so in theory, the SS is still kinda alive as a NASCAR Frankenstein
I don’t understand Ford gatekeeping cars and not allowing people to drive them. I was looking at several cars when I got my unrestricted license in Australia. One of the cars I was interested in was the Mustang. I’ve never had a worse experience at a dealership in my life. They wouldn’t let me drive the car and constantly treated me like crap just because I was young. When I finally said “I’ll just go buy a different car” they said that I should do that. I went and bought an STI the next day.
The Mondeo is still literally EVERYWHERE in Europe. It's basically a European Fusion. When I went to France it was like 1 out of every 3 cars was a Mondeo. I think they use only the Mondeo for their public taxis because they all were but I could be wrong. They're also manuals ;)
I said this on another comment, but this was my poster car as a teenager. The TV commercial with the exhaust note breaking the wine glasses was a thing of pure beauty and sold me forever.
@@shred_zed1 Dude, that is the only car commercial that's been burned in my brain from my childhood. That's literally what got me into performance cars lol
I vaguely remember from an episode of Top Gear that Toyota partnered with Yamaha (manufacturer of both motorcycles and instruments) to develop the exhaust sound. So that's one of the reasons why that sound is so intoxicating!
I had the contour svt for about 2 weeks before it was totalled from a street sweeper. The car wasn't in that bad of shape, but insurance considered it totalled because of cost to repair
The last Gen Viper was great. Bummer that all those years of cheap interiors just didn't establish a customer base that would appreciate the massive leap forward they gave us with the final Gen. But throughout the life of the viper, those calling the shots made questionable decisions. Sad for enthusiasts that it wasn't appreciated until it was gone.
The Viper was supposed to be cheap. That is the whole thing. The appeal of the First Viper (and why Viper became so sought after) was the low pricetag compared to other supercars of the time. There was nothing special about the Viper to begin with. The car was built on a budget, using a truck engine to boost power and speed. It was recognized as a car for the enthusiast who didnt have money to buy a Ferrari or Lambo. The Viper was cheaper than a Corvette and that was its appeal. Nobody cared about the interrior. All people cared about was the performance comparable to other supercars. Those cheap interriors kept the pricetag down. Once the idiots at Dodge wanted to extort money from customers - it became a no go. Why buy a Viper for 100 000 grand when u could buy a Hellcat which had more hp? It made no sense. For 110 000 one could buy a Lambo or a Ferrari. Those calling the shots made a bad decission trying to turn the viper into something it was not. its appeal was being a cheap supercar. That;s all it was.
My husband has a Chevy SS and it's so much fun. What's funny is a few months after he bought it, the lady who sold it to the dealership saw him at a gas station and talked to him. Then a couple months later we were adding different dealership for other reasons and saw the exact same year and color for sale!
@@KermitOfWar are u good bro? If u see God it's not beliving any more and it's pointless. Then he become some kind of show, and obv he dosnt want that. What situation is better for you, be honest: 1. U said to your gf u didnt cheat on her, and she believed 2. U prove to your gf u didn't cheat on her, and she believed We all know first scenario si better, same thing w God. And what about cancer? Let’s say cancer = death = evil, how does that prove that there is no God? It proves that God exists, it actually proves the existence of evil - devil. And the Bible says that evil / devil exists. God is against the devil. God can remove the devil from our lives and make us all look at him and believe in him - but then we are like robots, and life is pointless. And DO NOT say I'm pushing religion into you, I'm just explaining to you where you made mistakes. I’m totally ok with the fact that some people are 'limited' so they don’t understand the Bible or God logic, but then just don’t comment on it.
I have to disagree with your Bf/Gf scenario explanation. I think it would be better if you proved you didn’t cheat on her. That way there’s no doubt. Also, I don’t see this scenarios relation to believing in God?
The Contour SVT sounds like Ford's replacement for my first car, the Taurus SHO. There's nothing quite like driving a way-too-fast version of a very boring sedan.
As a big Dodge fan I gotta say the Viper was the saddest one on the list and was the hardest loss to deal with of all the cars here. The 5th gen Viper was beautiful and I always preferred it over any Corvette.
gotta hand it to dodge though. the govt was like hey, you have to add all these new safety features to your cars like everyone else has too, and dodge was like yeah no, we would rather just not make them anymore.
@@giovanni6643 no it was govt regulations. They actually quit making them for 2 or 3 years i believe it was and brought them back as a "limited specialty manufacturer" to skirt around it. Thats when viper became its own brand like ram is today. It was no longer a "dodge". Also, anyone who wanted an automatic was clearly not the target demographic for the car. Thats not who they were going for. It was for people who wanted a true, stripped down bare bones street legal racecar. The 1st gen didnt even have ac or even glass windows or external door handles. Luxury was not the goal. Comfort and a status symbol was not the goal. It was designed as a pure, raw drivers car. Putting an automatic in it would have gone against everything on that it was.
@@eightymopar if the viper was genuinely intended to be a "street legal race car" it would've not only mostly have the same type of parts racecars typically have, had both an auto and manual at minimum, and been a 6-8 figure vehicle because of its parts and low volume. what the viper ended up becoming was little more than a manual only sports car that could become a manual race car after dumping god knows how much into the mods required to make it legal in whatever racing league it was used in that allows manual cars. regardless of if you think it was safety regulations it's low sales because of it being manual only was what killed it, the regulations were merely the hammer that drove down the last few nails.
@@giovanni6643 the car was created by Caroll Shelby and Bob Lutz. Carolls goal was to make a successor to his cobra. The Viper was as pure as a sports cat can be.
It's a cool show. All of the shows basically talk about cars in a different way. Bumper to Bumper kinda focuses on cool technology and innovations (Toyota Pickup and 380sx episodes), Up to Speed (discontinued) is a summary and history of a car, Wheelhouse is like car news, especially F1 stuff, Money Pit is a series about upgrading a Miata as well as some other stuff, D-List is talking about cars that have something in common, Science Garage (discontinued) is the science of car mechanisms, and Hi-Low (discontinued) compared really crappy upgrades to high quality upgrades on two 350z's. Those are the main ones that you'll see most often, although there are quite a few other discontinued shows.
forgot to mention a big reason the viper wasnt bought was bc you needed premium insurance to drive it and it could only be sold to an age range of i think 30 or up, but that may vary.
Also you gotta remember that between 2012 and 2017 the economy was still struggling to recover from a minor recession caused by the War on Terror and the economic policies implemented during Obama's first term. When the economy is bad people won't spend money on 'luxuries' and things like 'fun cars'.
I can do without the cup holders in exchange for that exhaust note! Lol Edit: a side note after much thought and searching on an issue that should have left my head long ago lol. There are lots of cars without cup holders, lots of them being sport cars which does make sense when you think about having a cup with liquid in a vehicle that has the ability to accelerate rather fast, therefore sending said liquid flying around haha The Lamborghini Aventador, gen 3 RX7, Lotus Elise, Alpha Romeo 166, are among those that do not have them. Some Toyota Yaris' do have them, some don't. Lots of Porsches and Volkswagons don't have them and the Bentley Mulsanne doesn't have cup holders....but it does have fancy wine glass holders!! There is an oddly large amount of cars that don't have them, especially if they are pre 1995 which seems to be a date when most manufacturers included them.
The LFA was my poster car growing up. Something about that car, seeing the commercials on TV of the exhaust note shattering the wine glasses. Man that was a thing of beauty.
I'm a car guy that likes high performing vehicles. No ABS or traction control. Just raw power. That was my Viper soft top and I absolutely loved it. Was gonna buy the last (didn't know it at the time) model but the price and no soft top didn't make that purchase happen. So I got a 'vette.
I discovered that the Chevy SS even existed when I was looking to buy a new car in 2016. As you said, no marketing -- also, no supply to dealers. The package was an incredible value. It smacks of something that Chevy corporate had to do, but didn't want to -- like in old NASCAR days where you had to sell 50 of the race mod.to the public so you could run it.
@@89dungey Homologation is simply the process of getting a car approved for racing by the sanctioning body. Back in the day, NASCAR was a touring car series, meaning that the cars it raced were race-homologated versions of road-going cars. So, like all other touring car series, NASCAR required that OEMs had to sell a certain number of road-going versions of their car before they could race them.
Pretty sure Holden was already planned to go under the axe when they started selling the Commodore as the rebadged SS so Chevy probably didn't want to commit to marketing and selling this car they knew wouldn't be produced for much longer
GM should’ve been selling the Holden Commodore in the states the whole time. That would’ve given us the DAMN EL CAMINO THAT THEY PROMISED BACK IN 2007!!!!!
GM is the worst car manufacturer ever, they killed more great and iconic brands than any other corporation in the world and are barely surviving themselves.
To be fair they kept Saab 30 years and killed it for actual reasons. Also the Commodore up until the mid 2000's was just an Opel Omega with a V8 stuffed into it, so you did get it, in the form of the Cadillac Catera, just without the V8 part
GM waiting until Pontiac and Holden actually start to make a comeback just to kill them not to mention absolutely destroying Saab (god I loved the 900 as a kid). Meanwhile Buick is allowed to exist and make those commercials which would be referred to the UN commission on human rights as form of mass torture
The SS just makes me sad. I found out about it and fell in love with it. Noone ever knew what I was talking about and I had to defend myself multiple times that yes it is the SS not the trim. Breaks my heart
@@stealthworx4371 As somebody who owns a 1982 Chevy Camaro, let me just say that interiors haven't been Chevy's strong suit for a looong time. I'd like to say that things have changed since then, but all their interiors fit together poorly and they rattle and squeak. I removed all the rear panels in my Camaro, due to the fact that they were just so damn noisy, and it drove me nuts.
Aside from the Camaro and the Corvette, (And Diesel pickup trucks) GM has been seen as pretty uncool for a long time. It's a shame, cause Chevy used to make some of the coolest looking vehicles in the world decades back, but now they just make boring cars for old people.
The Focus RS was a legit car. I drove a showroom stock RS at COTA and it was a blast to drive. It handled extremely well, had good power and throttle response, and the seats were excellent. It’s funny that Ford and their dealers act like it’s some kind of miracle when they actually put together a great car.
@El CidFredo Flores Gas prices will DROP as more electric cars come to market. Less demand, greater supply, lower price. 4 cylinders have been making more power than V8's of old for years, it should be no surprise there isn't a demand for V8's either. SRT got killed because Europeans are in charge now and they recognize that the single digit percentage of sales from SRT products aren't worth the image of being wasteful and inefficient.
@@EMFAudio Everyone has the story wrong about whats happening with SRT and its actually kinda funny to watch. SRT isn't going anywhere, they just integrated the team into the main dev teams for the sake of linearity in design.
@@Deagers They'll go away when they change to 4 and 6 cylinders and people stop buying them because they think a V8 with a bunch of power is the only way to go fast and if it's not a V8 they don't want it. SRT cars sell on stigma only.
@@EMFAudio your wrong and right... It's the v8s Roar people love the most can't get that with a v6, 4 cylinder or electric, then the power is second I don't think I've even seen a SRT without a modded exhaust system everyone wants the head turning SRT V8 Growl.
At the time mine was made (2016), it was only one of two four door sedans with a V-8 and a manual transmission available in the United States (BMW M5 was the other).
Saab? Why? Theu were garbage... I mean you can argue if you want to but being a tow truck driver for 25 years I promise you I used to tow a large amount of sabbs. Garbage man... they were ugly too i don't get it lol
@@joeyjohnson4826 Anything is a good vehicle if it's taken care of. Maybe it's how the owners treat em. Same for Saturn. I love that brand. I recued an SC1 that I plan to do some stuff to, and an Oldsmobile.
@@rustythefoxcoon5143 Saab? Garbage, they were garbage before gm bought them, they were even worse with government motors I still remember the part number for the battery that went in those general motor Saab they took a 48.... Saturn's weren't bad cars they weren't necessarily nice-looking cars but they were reliable there's still plenty of them on the road and havenet made them since 2008.... and no not every vehicle is a good vehicle.... if taken care of ....some of them are manufactured poorly ...they're made with cheap parts and they break
@@jamesbulldogmiller from their Website you get 7 Days to return the An I believe a review I seen they even let you test drive it sometime before the driver leaves
I used to cruise in a beautiful cobalt blue '97 Viper RT-10, and it's still my favorite driving experience to this day. Unfortunately, it lost something when the remodel came out under the SVT brand. It just wasn't the same.
The Last thing I expected here, anyways back to 2018 Monaco Full race that’s somehow slipped through the cracks on TH-cam that is currently blowing up.
I always wanted a Contour SVT. Then I got one… turns out the body kit pooled water causing the rocker panels to rust out. They had some weird cheap plastic shift linkage assembly that would break really easily. Good luck if you had to do a clutch.. the subframe was in the way so you would have to partially unbolt it and try to pull the trans out from the side. I still love them and their uniqueness but sometimes it’s better not to meet your heroes. Which is probably why I don’t own a 3000GT VR4.
I had an SHO and I can tell you the lesson you learned. Don't buy an American car that was made from a lesser car. If they made the car as an econobox and then stuffed a hyper engine in there and put a body kit on it, the engine will be hard to service, the extra power will break other parts in the drivetrain and the body kit will warp in the sun or there will be rust developing from where they attached the kit. When they stop production, you won't be able to get parts and if you can source them from the dealership, they call all the mechanics to show them how much the part costs as they hand it to you and laugh at you.
Pontiac GTO, G8 and the Chevrolet SS (all left-hand versions of the Holden Commodore SS) were all AMAZING CARS and they failed to sell every single time
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I'm embarrassed to admit I bought an e46 with manual and only drove it after I bought it because I didn't know how to drive manual lol. Never making that mistake again
@@xXSQPRXx I bought my first E39 manual at an auction without driving it. It turned out fine. It was the only car I ever bought without test driving first. It turned ok.
You can test drive Teslas, at least I have anyway. I went to one of the displays they had in the mall and they had a couple of them parked in the parking garage specifically for test drives. It won't be the exact car you purchase, but it's the same model.
@@randymiller1610 You can't test drive the one you're buying, and since they can't even manage to fit two fenders the same on the same day,t hat's important.
@@criticalevent Fender alignment isn't generally what a test drive is for. While test driving the specific car you are buying is important to people like you and me, for most people that would never push the car near its limits they would never be able to tell any difference in driving experience between one car or another of the same model. For a normal person, test driving a random Model S is just as good as driving a specific Model S.
LFA is my favorite car of all tiiiiiime. Ever since I first saw it on top gear and how it blew clarkson's mind I have been obsessed with it. I think it looks fantastic and is arguably the best sounding v10 engine EVER.
The Viper will be back as always. I worked at Conner Assembly in Detroit for 2 years. Production last typically 4yrs then gets discontinued 2 yrs for re-engineering. The 5th generation Viper was built for LeMans due to the high european demand on the track. The base started at $80K they never expected it to sell in high volume in dealerships. They generated good revenue from LeMans and international sales, they just decided to sell a cool street version of a supercar that was successful on the track.
If you think about it, all cool things go to hell so the Viper doesn't stand a chance at making it into heaven. In heaven there will be Priuses and Corollas.
Man that's a pretty old car, how much ya want for it? X amount!? Man that thing doesn't even run. I'd give (low ball amount). Like what are you gonna do with it? Ya ain't drivin it, and it just sits there.
The funny thing is, there is no Hell in the Bible. There is an explicit mention of Sheol, loads of references about Gehenna, but none about Hell. Hell isn't a Christian concept originally, but over the years it slowly became one, presumably due to medieval Catholic church. The religion ended up taking ideas from other surrounding cultures over the years anyway.
@@onemorething8175 He's actually talking about the concept of Gehenna, while the later translations changed it to Hell as the later versions of Christianity had made it a part of their belief despite it not being part of the Bible or the belief overall.
@@TheCrazyBird844 I don't believe so, just the standard model (NA, automatic) and the turbo model (turbocharged, manual) Correction: turbo came in your choice of manual or auto
@@parentsbasement7734 my dream is to get a Baja Turbo, wrap it in like a cyan-green, and get some stick on letters to christen it the Subaru Baja Blast. Also to give it mo powah babeh and slam it on the ground to piss off every wrx driver in the greater area
6:15 SVT Contour is actually THE CAR that got me into cars. I loved sedans, wanted a manual, and loved the interior lay out. I saw a few locally and met one of the owners who also had 1 of 5 Boundarant Driving School SVT Contours he used for Auto-X. I got into Turbo VR6's instead but I'll always have a soft spot for the SVT-C. Thanks for mentioning my love :)
One of my siblings friend's parents had an original Silver Avanti. Back then it was worth BooKoo Bucks. In the same time frame a neighbor around the block had a 1953 Corvette.
the Avanti (1963) was one of my favorite model cars I built when I was a kid..It just looked so futuristic... and the Dodge VIPER was a killer looking car with all the right curves ...too bad it didn't catch on... probably the cost....
@@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 it's been 5 months going on 6. With no updates on it's return. Yea I would say it is the end of it. It is a shame too because I loved up to speed.
Yeah it’s a shame because up to speed was what made Donut but they still make quality videos imo. There’s only so many things you can make an up to speed on. I miss science garage too :(
@@TasteTh3Rambo I love this channel and I agree there are only so many things but there are really so many things left they haven't covered and I wanna see what they do. I miss science garage as well. Plus VS. and hi low. I do know they have been hinting at that to return but still. They should atleast keep us up to speed with up to speed. Instead of leading us on.
The holden was dead before it was even branded the ss in the 🇺🇸 No Marketing since at the time GM was already working on more fuel Efficient SUVs n Trucks. At that time it looked like an overpriced Malibu, not to mention there was no demanded for it. They already had the Impala SS and, Malibu ss, not to mention the Caprice ss for government purchases. No room or time to advertise it since they weren't building it just receiving overstock from Australia 🤷🏾♂️
Holden here is Australia where shut down. Sucha waste cos the sales just don't show now for Holden utter trash they sell now. The commodore an the Ford falcon xr6 turbo was insanity for the money 💰
I was like 9 years old, and I saw an Avanti in Fort Lee, New Jersey, and I was totally confused, but my dad, who wasn't even really a car guy, made me believe it was something special. It's still got some kind of hold over me.
Not weird at all. The Avanti is the most perfect shape of the sixties, and Tom Kellogg (the last of the original design team that also included Studebaker veterans Bob Andrews and John Ebstein, team led by famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy) did a fine job of adapting the styling to the final generation Firebird. After Kellogg died (near eighty years old, died in a car crash, as I recall), and the Firebird platform was no longer available, Avanti (now headquartered in Villa Rica, Georgia) adapted the body to the Mustang platform. A few were built when Avanti relocated to Cancun, then folded. And yes, I was about seven when I saw my first Avanti at the Peachtree Hills Recreation Center in Atlanta (it was turquoise blue and had the 'Supercharged' script badge on the front fender). My Dad also told me it was something special, and that it was built by the same company as both our cars: a '60 Lark sedan and a '51 Commander Starlight.
Everybody loves the hand built Gen 5 Viper. But all the people who wanted to buy it couldn’t afford it. Those who could, bought the Corvette (i.e. old people).
As an owner of 2 Vipers and friends on the inside, I can tell you that the chances of the Viper coming back are slim to none. Even if they do call a future model a “Viper”, it won’t actually be a Viper since it won’t have the naturally aspirated V10 engine or manual transmission (as both were defining characteristics that made a Viper a Viper). Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see it come back one day, but if it has anything but a V10 & a manual transmission, it’s not actually a Viper.....
money wise i think it's time for the viper to evolve in order to be more marketable... that would mean making a new viper with a v8 engine, if they did that then it would be easier to swap in a ford crate v8 or chevy ls v8 engine in it and that would help it sell... make a new viper with v8 engine, get 3rd party sellers to put in an upgrade in the engine bay which would make it easier to fit a ford or chevy v8 in it, and there it is, its new selling point.. it can be the new favorite drag strip car
@@gooser__43 Engines are all downsizing, not getting more cylinders. That, and it just wouldn’t be a Viper without its massive NA V10 engine. But we don’t even have to worry about that, since it’s next to impossible that a new Viper will ever come out.
@@gooser__43 the americans are known for their v8 engines, plain and simple.. the only exception is the viper with a v10.. the v12 belongs to the italians, who's more idiotic now???
I had my first kiss in a contour svt ☺️
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xD I was here at 18:12
Here before this comment gets popular
What was his name?
Lol.
You nailed the Ford RS. I was actually looking to get one and the dealers in the SF bay area were marking it up almost 200% even before the car hit the dealer. At a dealer I got into an unintentionally heated argument when I said "well, for that price I can just walk across the street and buy a Cayman GT4". He said "well then do it". I did, no regrets.
$50k is already in the range of “Buddy … with that interior? The Audi lot is just over there.”
GT4? They’re marked up even more. Good luck finding one tho.
@@sebastianromero420 he already found one. He said he did, no regrets.
Lol. U wonder if people read comments before commenting on said comments lol.
@@Lancr-jq2or yeah that's why I didn't answer. Even my only video on TH-cam is me driving it around the racetrack lol
The vipers death was the saddest thing to ever happen to dodge Rest In Peace GOAT
If they bring it back make it much more refined and expensive.
o shit waddup
@@Audfile why do you want it to be more expansive? And it was refined enough. The reason it had low sales was the extremely poor safety, and that it was too similar to Corvettes, but worse. If they will ever revive it, it needs to be something revolutionary, or at least special. For example, electrical.
@@michaelb4415 or a V-10 lol
Well see the new viper in less then 5 years. Its a Hybrid 3 cylinder "sport" suv with a low sloping roof line. I heard it actually makes glaciers freeze back solid and the regenerative braking grows kale and alfalfa. Rumored to be only $65,000 and have almost 130hp.
“If you wanna know more about hell read the Bible” 😂🤣 I wasn’t expecting that and it killed me
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Holy shit. Fancy seeing you here
I love that he sent them all to hell, the absurdity of it is why i watch every video with Pumphrey’s face in the thumbnail.
I was drinking a soda when he said that, Don of a butt, lol
Nobody:
James "If you wanna learn more about hell, read the bible"
the death of the Focus RS was incredibly unfortunate.
the ST had a chance of survival, as well as the RS but the dealerships really fucked Ford over
It still did well in Europe as does it's successor :)
Yeah it did well in Europe because it was being sold for the price it was marked at since it was just a regular high end Focus. You guys in Europe had these before we did, just like you had the Ford Escort Cosworth RS, which we never had in the states.
I had an ST and then upgraded to the RS and it was not all that good. Super over priced for what it was. I don’t recommend it to anyone.
What a fantastic fucking fantasy car the cozzie was you guys missed out on something else.
But I have heard that you guys are living it up now 😂😂😂
The Ford Fuc us
"- and it kinda had head gasket problems."
All subi owner laughed at this one.
At least focus owners only had to deal with one head gasket instead of two (and yes I had a Subaru that went boom 😓)
*laughs in subaru*
*laughs in I really want a Subaru and is okay with that*
@@fabulousprofound Its just that Ford Focus RS Mk3 series production ended in 2018 , but its been a bit weirdo Ford model , Mk1 2002-2003 , Mk2 2009-2010 , Mk3 2016-2018 ... RS is a bit better than the normal top model , Focus ST , 2002 - present , now Mk4 .
Now when Ford is investing $9 billion in to production plants outside US , to make electric and hybrid car models , hard to say if they make another Focus RS .
@@pete_lind when Ford said they were going to stop selling anything that isn’t a suv or truck in North America (excluding the Mustang) I lost all hope for a new Focus-anything 😓
One of my neighbors has an SS. I appreciate hearing it drive past the house.
My best friend is in the market for one, he's just waiting for the right color with a manual.
@@StochasticWolf import one from Australia they r everywhere here
Honestly just import a commy fron aus or nz they are all over the place here, they are gonan be worth alot soon too especially a genuine right hand drive one
The Chevy SS is one of my attainable dream cars. I see one around my neighborhood in which the owner replaced the Chevy bowtie badges with the original Holden badges. I feel like I’m the only one who knows what those lion badges are.
@@davidvelazquez9473 thats a sin tho, if its lefthand drive it should have holden badges on it. Just as bad as all the bogans down here chucking bowties on theirs😂
the focus RS being discontinued is heartbreaking, it's such an amazing car. really confusing move by Ford there.
I mean they named a fully electric suv a mustang machine e... confusing? No, more like stupid af
Not really. I live in KC. A reasonable sized city. Seen one RS ever. It’s just not a car people really wanted. It was marked up way to much. And for a Car Ford recommended 41,000 for a mark up makes it more expensive then a GT at some dealers. It was a very small group of people that actually wanted one and could afford it. And it’s hard to justify paying 41000 for a Focus . It was a great car just to pricy
@@droopyaguacat3185 Still if I were in the market for an electric, that might be what I'd pick. (Possibly I'd debadge it though cause that's not a Mustang.)
@@droopyaguacat3185 best mustang made in fords history tho, mustangs are well known shitboxes lol
Who wants to pay 40k plus for a focus?
There is someone in my hometown that has a focus RS. They caught me marveling at it in the parking lot of Wal-Mart. The dude was excited that someone even knew what it was, all he had to say was "thanks man, its nice to get a reaction from someone for what i pad for it".
While it has its flaws, I will never forget my test drive in the Focus RS. The first right turn, it did something I had not felt before. Amazing.
Ford should have kept this one.
I love how marketing always makes a car that is for young people but priced it for retired people
*cough* Type-R Civic *cough*
Well, to be fair, most of the people who would be test driving it would just be doing so for $h!ts and giggles. By the time the 4th Ken Block wannabe gets done roasting the tires,,,,,,,,,,,, would you want to buy it ? The obvious solution would be to "screen" the potential buyers to see if they are actually serious customers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but now you have the PR nightmare of stereotyping people,,,,,,,,,,,, which funny enough, would probably end up with allowing test-drives to only the people who could afford it, but don't want it. The method I've been hearing about (like what they are doing for the Type-R Civic) is to have a customer do the test drive as one of the LAST things before closing the sale. This pretty much keeps out the riff-raff, but still depends on buyers basically being sold on the car before even setting foot on the dealer lot.
@@HalfBreedMix No, no, what they're talking about is not the ability to 'test drive', its the fact they make cars completely styled in mind to look/seem cool to young people, but then the *price* is so dang high only people at the end of their career's can actually afford buying it off the lot or like the top 25% of money makers. Which is dumb cause those type of people usually aren't car people and settle with an SUV or luxury sedan etc.
@@Shadowx157 Yeah, I get what you're saying. The problem here is that unlike making an animated movie where we can just change the art style, theme, and plot lines to cater to different audiences but still keep roughly within the same production budget; the hardware/software and R&D that goes into a car shoots the price tag up in a hurry. My parents would tell you that "Kids now-a-days want all the fancy stuff, back when I was in high school - college, just having a car that ran was cool enough". Yeah, yeah, I know "old people talk", but there is some truth to it; younger car people today are spec-sheet comparing,,,,, so up the price tree we go ! Subaru tried to find a middle ground solution with the WRX TR (and I think Mitsubishi had a similar Lancer) where it was a bare-bones car except for the motor and powertrain being the upgraded fast version.
Thank goodness they did. Can you imagine how many idiots would have wrapped that thing around a pole and themselves with it?
LOL craziest revenge part of Viper lore is that those last Gen 5's, are appreciating in price. People realize that they may be the most visceral, mechanically pure sports car driving experience of the century.
And they are beautiful. Plus a couple of turbskis turn them into liter bikes.
probably the only sports car i know that has leaf spring suspension on the rear wheels... yep that's the viper, and probably no traction control too if i'm not mistaken...
@@pihermoso11 adjustable strut/spring units at all 4 corners. Traction control standard with off switch. Gen 5’s got more refined.
@@pihermoso11 The C7 corvette hade leaf springs front and rear the viper has coilovers. The last viper (gen 5) was the first with traction control as standard.
The only times I ever saw a Viper in the wild were on a flatbed.
Every UK viewer seeing the contour is like "wow that mondeo is sick"
hell yea
Not only UK, also Europe
Had no idea they were mondeo elsewhere do like a mondeo honestly
UK spec mondeo ST200 look 10000000x nicer, that rebadge is way too over rounded
Every EU viewer*
Experienced the same "No, you can't test drive it," with an STI. I was young-ish (late 20's), but could afford it. Sales slug looked me up and down and declared, "Yeah, we don't really do test drives because people are hard on the vehicle." I was happy to agree that I didn't want to drop my hard-earned cash on something too delicate to test drive. I spent all of 10 minutes in that dealership, and it was 10 minutes too long. I ended-up buying a G37 X which the sales person encouraged me to open-up on the test drive. It was a great vehicle for the years that I owned it. Pro tip, car sales people - know your buyer persona.
Good salespeople treat everyone, of any age or appearance, very well. Because you can't go wrong that way. Even if they can't buy today, they may have a friend/relative/ coworker/ boss who can- and will be told about their treatment, good or bad. Or their situation may change and they will come back and buy from you. If you treated them right.
A dealer I bought or leased three vehicles from refused me a test drive. I wound up buying elsewhere, from a dealer who didn't know me from Adam but was happy to offer a test drive.
Ugh, I would have bought the STi. Too bad some douche scared you off.
Had the same issue with a wrx.. still got and loved the car.
"It also had headgasket issues"
Subaru Guy: Yeah, I feel that
It’s a feature
Subaru at the service center for head gasket issues: "Oh that's normal don't worry about it"
I've never thought about this. Do Subarus have 2 sideways head gaskets?
@@FUNKOfilms Eeyup. Very fun!
2/2 of my subarus needed headgaskets
AHHHHH! It still hurts seeing the Viper dead
especially knowing that it's among the most dominant prostreet platform in the world
Yap :(
But also know it’s not the first time they stopped production of the viper
Though with no srt it just gets more complicated
@@tartaruszelus5473 SRT is technically still a thing. It's just not its own team now. All the members of the SRT division are still working for dodge. they were just integrated into more projects. Such as the TRX, the trackhawk, and the wrangler 392. The SRT babge is still going to be used as well. FCA would be stupid to kill SRT
It’s gonna come back. It has to
That LFA sound🤤🤤🤤🤤
I would love a Chevy SS.. when I was in the Middle East I drove a Holden-made Chevy Caprice with a 5.7 L engine.. it was like a 4 door Corvette. It was governed at 230 kph (144 mph). I discovered this personally on a road trip through the desert. That was a fine car.
The Viper was a legend while it lasted. Legends never die.
And legends are reborn so mabey in the coming years we'll get another viper *stares of into the sunset*
Their drivers do.
@@thebeardedgolfer9819 duh 🙄
@@thebeardedgolfer9819 lol
@@emmanuelwil-jeff nah, let's hope it stays dead, unfortunately. Otherwise it'll come back as an electric or hybrid crossover. 😓
Really wish I could have got my hands on a Chevy SS
I can appreciate the Aussies affinity for power and spacious-ness
best car i’ve ever owned, if you can get your hands on one
You still can. My best friend is in the market for one, he's just waiting for the right color with a manual.
@@StochasticWolf yeah but right now they’re a little pricy, at least the ones i’ve seen.
@@StochasticWolf Well he'll be waiting forever. What kind of color he needs? I mean literally all the ones on sale are in black and manual.
@@lupavo1738 Na he will definitely find it, he wants a white one and almost got one but someone got to the dealership literally 30 minutes before he did and bought it.
The viper's not only in hell...it's ruling it!
You absolutely bet it is
😂
And it’s drug a lot of viper owners there with it lol
Better to rule in hell than serve dinner in heaven... something something?
@@jdraven0890 makes no sense at all.
The Viper suffered from its high price and the fact it only came out with the 6 speed manual transmission. Also 640hp is puny for a 8.4 liter V-10 engine. Had the Viper came out with a 9 speed automatic option and 1000hp V-10 naturally aspirated engine and more comfortable seats people could justify buying it.
It’s been 4 years and I’m still kinda mad about the viper dying lol
Let's just hope they depreciate a bit, so we can enjoy them.
I am still mad about Pontiac.
It... never goes away.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh when Pontiac closes a year before the Camaro returned smh a modern Firebird would’ve been the sheet
@@Merrikkatt dodge should make a light weight challenger named the cuda
@@Gasolineworld Dodge making a lightweight car? Good meme lol the Hemi’s power and their well managed pricing makes up for the boats they push out. If they didn’t make the Hellcat variants, they’d be known as the slower cars in they competition bracket. They’d need to make the body out of carbon fiber but, unless they put some beefy safety features in the cabin, every car accident would result in the Cuda driver under a tarp.
Pretty impressed that the Ford Contour SVT was part of a list that also included the Dodge Viper!
it was basically the ford mondeo st200 for American
That engine for the ford contour svt was made by porshe just straight up porshe engine basically ina ford contour lol
My sister has one mint with 24 thousand miles on it ,fun car to drive
The contour svt was bad ass and more reliable than a taurus.. but shit.. ever drive the taurus s.h.o..? These cars arnt advertised ... But these dealers have great mid model cars if you can afford it...kind of like the new dart... Look that car up.. that too model srt or what ever has over 300 heurspers...in that tiny shit...
Good cars. Terrible to work on
A friend of mine let me drive his 1962 Avanti way back in 1965. It was one of the fastest cars I have ever driven. I don't know if it was a reliable car but it was fun to drive. It made me realize how long it takes to stop a car that is moving at about 150 miles an hour.
I appreciate this style of video so much more. It's real, with no unnecessary fluff. Well done.
No unnecessary fluff?! You do realize James entire manufactured tryhard personality is fluff, right?!
I bought an acura legend with out driving it, still my favorite car till this day
Honestly, imo, it's the only Acura that was really worth being called an Acura. The Integra was cool, but it's a rebadged civic, NSX was too short-lived. They started getting it right with the RSX/TSX, but the legend is... well, a legend.
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@@marshalldcarpenter tf you talking about. It's a Honda
@@dr.science_0177 US only had them as Acuras. Not everyone from US knows their exact car existed in other markets. It's the same with the Ford Contour which is a Ford Mondeo for the rest of the world. 🤣
@@aaryeshg.6526 I know. The way he said it is as if it was a whole different brand when in reality it's just a Honda like Lexus to Toyota
One that I'd add to this list is the 2004-2006 Pontiac GTO. Fantastic car, great handling, but ultimately killed by several years of delays that meant it was out of style when it dropped (especially compared to the 'just debuted' Ford Mustang of that year. On top of that, Like the Focus RS, dealers didn't allow people to test drive this car, and GM never really put much publicity into it. But it was freakin' awesome. You could get a midnight purple one... WITH A MIDNIGHT PURPLE LEATHER INTERIOR. IN 2004! You could also get a black or red one with a red interior, and a blue one with a bright blue interior. They were genuinely ahead of their time, but GM doesn't know what to do with exceptional cars, clearly, so here we are.
the gto was basically the same car as the ss. they were both based off of the same holden models and rebaged as GM products. one was a coupe the other a sedan version. otherwise same car
I own an 04 6 speed GTO. Would definitely buy another one. Fantastic car.
On top of that Pontiac just wasn't the legend it used to be, they started the muscle cars with the gto, and they were beat at their own game by the 70s if I'm correct
I always thought that it looked too much like other cheaper Pontiacs. There was no retroness to it like the Challenger or Camaro.
Can't call something dead that was revived. And since 2004-2006 was an attempt to bring it back that failed, the GTOs technical death was in 1974 after almost 10 years in production. Hardly flop.
And you forgot to mention that Chevy dealers were incentivized to sell the Impala and Malibu when the SS was on sale. You had to ask for it and fight to see one.
They wanted to kill the SS. It was sold just to fulfill a contract. Producing x amount of cars from a factory before they could close it and turn Holden into a full time Malibu and impala importer. Of course they didn’t want it to succeed and necessitate that plant being open for longer.
They also didn't want any of their own cars stealing market from the camaro and vette
@@kolinmartz nice to see someone else knowledgeable on why the SS is gone. I'll never understand why they never gave us the GTSR variant but they did for NZ and UK. I would take that over any dodge charger any day of the week
@@haiUnderground
Sorry this is gonna be just me rambling on. I’m sleep deprived and it’s late at night.
dodge is killing it in the performance full size sedan market right now. They’re the only one of the big three from Detroit even selling a sedan anymore. GM and Ford missed out on this. Chevy could’ve had another section to duke it out on the current horsepower wars brought on by nostalgia over the muscle car era.
Excluding the move to cannibalize Holden in Australia, GM in the US especially pussyfooted and put the SS in the market while they already had a full size sedan in their lineup. If they really wanted it to succeed, the SS would’ve taken the Impala nameplate and they would have killed the Epsilon II LWB based sedan.
You can also tell they wanted to have both a full size sedan that sips gas and a full sized sedan that has power because they also sold the Caprice to fleet contracts that required power and speed and was willing to compromise on fuel efficiency. And a full-size sedan that dips on gas is pointless anyways. You’ll get a car that sucks at doing both, CUVs get away with this because in the mind of the market they’re SUVs (which they’re not) that is fuel efficient.
I got it. This is why sedans are dying. When you have two platforms that have the same performance (a sedan and a cuv), but one offers less practicality but doesn’t give you the performance that it trades off that practicality with, you’ll end up killing the lesser of the two products. This is why sedans are being killed over the cuv. You’re choosing between two vehicles. The compromise is supposed to be between performance and utility. But with one, they never give you the performance just all the trade offs in the utility department. This is also why fwd compact and midsize coupes died.
Vipers bite the dust! Ah hell no
If I could afford an LFA, I’d buy it without question. Thing sounds beautiful. I had to settle for an LC-500. Planning to put an Artisan Spirit body kit on it as soon as it comes in.
"Settle for an LC-500".... My heart bleeds for you buddy! xD
My dream car was the Viper, then I saw the price and now I love my Camry
Bro took a 180 really went from a viper to a Camry
good choice- V6 camrys are the shit- right? and you might be able to still get parts for it in 10 or 15 years.....
@@tommurphy4307 Hey, it might actually still be running 10 or 15 years without needing parts for it.
@@tommurphy4307 My 2007 V6 camry has headers, exhaust and intake and it’s beating R/Ts from 40-60 rolls
Oof man. Camry is still a great car
That RS story still makes me so sad almost 3 years later, I wanted one so bad.
Just because it’s discontinued doesn’t mean you can get one. Now you can buy a used one and not fork out over 40k!
Come to the UK we have loads of them!
I know, but used market it much better! I just picked one up
Nothing stopping you! Think about it this way, you can get one more that already had the head gasket issue addressed
I wouldn't say "Nobody bought" the RS, fairly sure they sold everyone made. I have a 2017 and bought it used in 2019. Has a small oil weep from the head gasket change though but not enough to need to add oil.
Fun Fact NASCAR Minor League Division aka ARCA Racing Series still use bodies based on Chevy SS on their Chevy Model Cars, so in theory, the SS is still kinda alive as a NASCAR Frankenstein
I don’t understand Ford gatekeeping cars and not allowing people to drive them. I was looking at several cars when I got my unrestricted license in Australia. One of the cars I was interested in was the Mustang. I’ve never had a worse experience at a dealership in my life. They wouldn’t let me drive the car and constantly treated me like crap just because I was young. When I finally said “I’ll just go buy a different car” they said that I should do that. I went and bought an STI the next day.
The contour platform finally got some recognition.
I see you're a man of culture 😉
irrc they were pretty common in Europe , as the Mondeo. just to correct myself , they changed most of the car minus the underpinnings, because Ford
@@robcarle Mondeo Mk1 wasnt really good but monedeo Mk2 was a good car
@@altergreenhorn Ah a man of english culture
The Mondeo is still literally EVERYWHERE in Europe. It's basically a European Fusion. When I went to France it was like 1 out of every 3 cars was a Mondeo. I think they use only the Mondeo for their public taxis because they all were but I could be wrong. They're also manuals ;)
I rewinded the LFA sound part 5 times
I said this on another comment, but this was my poster car as a teenager. The TV commercial with the exhaust note breaking the wine glasses was a thing of pure beauty and sold me forever.
LFA's sound is dubbed as "Angel's roar" (天使の咆哮, Tenshi no Houkou) by some Japanese car media.
@@shred_zed1 Dude, that is the only car commercial that's been burned in my brain from my childhood. That's literally what got me into performance cars lol
That engine is absolute instrument
I vaguely remember from an episode of Top Gear that Toyota partnered with Yamaha (manufacturer of both motorcycles and instruments) to develop the exhaust sound. So that's one of the reasons why that sound is so intoxicating!
I got a manual SS a few months ago and it is awesome! Everytime I hit the starter button and it rumbles to life it just makes me smile.
That’s what Holden does to ya😀
@@225filmz and after that the sound of the Borla hooks you 😁
I had the contour svt for about 2 weeks before it was totalled from a street sweeper. The car wasn't in that bad of shape, but insurance considered it totalled because of cost to repair
Insurance companies do that so they can go to auction and make a profit from your accident.
“If you want to learn more about hell, read the Bible”
-James Humphrey. 😂
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The last Gen Viper was great. Bummer that all those years of cheap interiors just didn't establish a customer base that would appreciate the massive leap forward they gave us with the final Gen. But throughout the life of the viper, those calling the shots made questionable decisions. Sad for enthusiasts that it wasn't appreciated until it was gone.
I agree but I still want one to send to nth or Calvo 😎🤤
The Viper was supposed to be cheap. That is the whole thing. The appeal of the First Viper (and why Viper became so sought after) was the low pricetag compared to other supercars of the time.
There was nothing special about the Viper to begin with. The car was built on a budget, using a truck engine to boost power and speed.
It was recognized as a car for the enthusiast who didnt have money to buy a Ferrari or Lambo.
The Viper was cheaper than a Corvette and that was its appeal. Nobody cared about the interrior. All people cared about was the performance comparable to other supercars.
Those cheap interriors kept the pricetag down.
Once the idiots at Dodge wanted to extort money from customers - it became a no go. Why buy a Viper for 100 000 grand when u could buy a Hellcat which had more hp? It made no sense.
For 110 000 one could buy a Lambo or a Ferrari.
Those calling the shots made a bad decission trying to turn the viper into something it was not. its appeal was being a cheap supercar. That;s all it was.
@@robotube7361 Lol, I guess cause the hellcat looks just looked like ANY other car you Dummy! Lol, I can't say that about the Viper
@@robotube7361 you’re definitely single lol
@@robotube7361 supra, gtr, and s2k fall under that exact category too but y’all wouldn’t say it
I love my RR ‘18 RS. The wife said my car had to have a back seat for the kids. And a hatch for the dog.
My husband has a Chevy SS and it's so much fun. What's funny is a few months after he bought it, the lady who sold it to the dealership saw him at a gas station and talked to him. Then a couple months later we were adding different dealership for other reasons and saw the exact same year and color for sale!
Speaking of reading the Bible, lying is a sin. When are you bringing back “UP TO SPEED”
????????????!!!!!
Revelation 21:8, baby! 🤦🏻♂️
Bible: God is real.
Person: Really? So why can't I see him? Why hasn't he cured cancer on kids yet?
Bible: Telling lies is a sin.
Person: Right.
@@KermitOfWar are u good bro? If u see God it's not beliving any more and it's pointless. Then he become some kind of show, and obv he dosnt want that.
What situation is better for you, be honest:
1. U said to your gf u didnt cheat on her, and she believed
2. U prove to your gf u didn't cheat on her, and she believed
We all know first scenario si better, same thing w God.
And what about cancer?
Let’s say cancer = death = evil, how does that prove that there is no God? It proves that God exists, it actually proves the existence of evil - devil. And the Bible says that evil / devil exists. God is against the devil. God can remove the devil from our lives and make us all look at him and believe in him - but then we are like robots, and life is pointless.
And DO NOT say I'm pushing religion into you, I'm just explaining to you where you made mistakes. I’m totally ok with the fact that some people are 'limited' so they don’t understand the Bible or God logic, but then just don’t comment on it.
I have to disagree with your Bf/Gf scenario explanation. I think it would be better if you proved you didn’t cheat on her. That way there’s no doubt. Also, I don’t see this scenarios relation to believing in God?
@@KermitOfWar God does not exist in this dimension.
US: ford contour
EVERYWHERE ON THE WORLD:
Ford Mondeo
F O R D M O N D E O S T 2 0 0
Ford is an American company...
@@billycole852 yOu DoNt saY
@TwinTurbo Ray no, the fusion came first, so the mondeo is a fusion
@TwinTurbo Ray i know, I live in Europe🤣
The Viper, SS, and LFA actually made me cry
Same. I thought the LFA would have better badged as the Toyota Supra and surprised it wasn't. Double disappointed when the actual Supra was released.
@@mase002 Hugely disappointed by the Supra as well. But I would love for the LFA to continue to go "un-loved"....right into my price range.
@@mase002 how is it a supra ??
@@DonLambJr the new Supra has a really good platform lmao but sure just be mad that it’s bmw
@@DonLambJr Yet, sadly, the price has doubled and even tripled on the LFA. You won't see it un-loved into your price range
The Contour SVT sounds like Ford's replacement for my first car, the Taurus SHO. There's nothing quite like driving a way-too-fast version of a very boring sedan.
As a big Dodge fan I gotta say the Viper was the saddest one on the list and was the hardest loss to deal with of all the cars here. The 5th gen Viper was beautiful and I always preferred it over any Corvette.
gotta hand it to dodge though. the govt was like hey, you have to add all these new safety features to your cars like everyone else has too, and dodge was like yeah no, we would rather just not make them anymore.
@@eightymopar i thought it had something to do with it's poor sales, manual only was clearly a terrible idea.
@@giovanni6643 no it was govt regulations. They actually quit making them for 2 or 3 years i believe it was and brought them back as a "limited specialty manufacturer" to skirt around it. Thats when viper became its own brand like ram is today. It was no longer a "dodge".
Also, anyone who wanted an automatic was clearly not the target demographic for the car. Thats not who they were going for. It was for people who wanted a true, stripped down bare bones street legal racecar. The 1st gen didnt even have ac or even glass windows or external door handles.
Luxury was not the goal. Comfort and a status symbol was not the goal. It was designed as a pure, raw drivers car. Putting an automatic in it would have gone against everything on that it was.
@@eightymopar if the viper was genuinely intended to be a "street legal race car" it would've not only mostly have the same type of parts racecars typically have, had both an auto and manual at minimum, and been a 6-8 figure vehicle because of its parts and low volume.
what the viper ended up becoming was little more than a manual only sports car that could become a manual race car after dumping god knows how much into the mods required to make it legal in whatever racing league it was used in that allows manual cars.
regardless of if you think it was safety regulations it's low sales because of it being manual only was what killed it, the regulations were merely the hammer that drove down the last few nails.
@@giovanni6643 the car was created by Caroll Shelby and Bob Lutz. Carolls goal was to make a successor to his cobra. The Viper was as pure as a sports cat can be.
The viper holds so many records it's absolutely INCREDIBLE
Aka 1999 model has the BEST SOUNDING V10 EVER!
@@ulifehr5357 I meant the Gen 5
@@ulifehr5357 Well, no doubt it sounds good but there are better sounding ones, LFA being one of them
@@xxxxxtrxxx13 oh yeah love the LFA, but there was this one guy with some toned straight piped viper, man that was music to my ears
@@ulifehr5357 That's serious stuff
I’m pretty early, but I just wanna say that I love this channel. Watching everyday is the highlight of my day. Thanks donut
Thank you, Nick!
@@Donut hi
@@Donut awesome videos
@@Donut I love you too
It's a cool show. All of the shows basically talk about cars in a different way. Bumper to Bumper kinda focuses on cool technology and innovations (Toyota Pickup and 380sx episodes), Up to Speed (discontinued) is a summary and history of a car, Wheelhouse is like car news, especially F1 stuff, Money Pit is a series about upgrading a Miata as well as some other stuff, D-List is talking about cars that have something in common, Science Garage (discontinued) is the science of car mechanisms, and Hi-Low (discontinued) compared really crappy upgrades to high quality upgrades on two 350z's. Those are the main ones that you'll see most often, although there are quite a few other discontinued shows.
forgot to mention a big reason the viper wasnt bought was bc you needed premium insurance to drive it and it could only be sold to an age range of i think 30 or up, but that may vary.
Well no wonder why ppl didnt buy it. They should do that for a couple more sports
Also you gotta remember that between 2012 and 2017 the economy was still struggling to recover from a minor recession caused by the War on Terror and the economic policies implemented during Obama's first term. When the economy is bad people won't spend money on 'luxuries' and things like 'fun cars'.
And there's the whole issue of the LFA lacking cupholders.
OK, thanks for that moment of outright laughter
I can do without the cup holders in exchange for that exhaust note! Lol
Edit: a side note after much thought and searching on an issue that should have left my head long ago lol. There are lots of cars without cup holders, lots of them being sport cars which does make sense when you think about having a cup with liquid in a vehicle that has the ability to accelerate rather fast, therefore sending said liquid flying around haha
The Lamborghini Aventador, gen 3 RX7, Lotus Elise, Alpha Romeo 166, are among those that do not have them. Some Toyota Yaris' do have them, some don't. Lots of Porsches and Volkswagons don't have them and the Bentley Mulsanne doesn't have cup holders....but it does have fancy wine glass holders!! There is an oddly large amount of cars that don't have them, especially if they are pre 1995 which seems to be a date when most manufacturers included them.
just tape the cup to the steering wheel. free cup holder
@@waffles245 There could be a problem when you're turning, but I like the way you're thinking!
still a million buckaroos
The Viper isn’t in hell, it’s in purgatory hoping it doesn’t get brought back as an SUV
Apparently its coming back this year, I'm hoping they can do better then what they did before they killed this b e autiful monster.
@TwinTurbo Ray I hope not 🥺
Viper suv? hmmm
Everything is going gas/electric to eventually get everyone on the electric train. Instant torque is cool but I love that rumble
I hope to God the general public boycotts electrics all the way.
I was going to comment LFA then he mentioned it dope
OMG YOU HEARTED IT HOLY MOLY IM A HIGE FAM THANK YOU SO MUCH
Go hawks
The LFA was my poster car growing up. Something about that car, seeing the commercials on TV of the exhaust note shattering the wine glasses. Man that was a thing of beauty.
Chubb
Lfa is faster than the gtr its tested now make potato chpis whit ur gtr😴
I'm a car guy that likes high performing vehicles. No ABS or traction control. Just raw power. That was my Viper soft top and I absolutely loved it. Was gonna buy the last (didn't know it at the time) model but the price and no soft top didn't make that purchase happen. So I got a 'vette.
I discovered that the Chevy SS even existed when I was looking to buy a new car in 2016. As you said, no marketing -- also, no supply to dealers. The package was an incredible value. It smacks of something that Chevy corporate had to do, but didn't want to -- like in old NASCAR days where you had to sell 50 of the race mod.to the public so you could run it.
500
It’s called homologation usually 5000
@@89dungey Homologation is simply the process of getting a car approved for racing by the sanctioning body. Back in the day, NASCAR was a touring car series, meaning that the cars it raced were race-homologated versions of road-going cars. So, like all other touring car series, NASCAR required that OEMs had to sell a certain number of road-going versions of their car before they could race them.
Pretty sure Holden was already planned to go under the axe when they started selling the Commodore as the rebadged SS so Chevy probably didn't want to commit to marketing and selling this car they knew wouldn't be produced for much longer
GM should’ve been selling the Holden Commodore in the states the whole time. That would’ve given us the DAMN EL CAMINO THAT THEY PROMISED BACK IN 2007!!!!!
GM is the worst car manufacturer ever, they killed more great and iconic brands than any other corporation in the world and are barely surviving themselves.
And they killed Pontiac with the Holden's and also managed to acquire and destroy Saab. Definitely the worst U.S. car company in history.
To be fair they kept Saab 30 years and killed it for actual reasons. Also the Commodore up until the mid 2000's was just an Opel Omega with a V8 stuffed into it, so you did get it, in the form of the Cadillac Catera, just without the V8 part
GM has sucked since the early to mid-70s. 🤢
GM waiting until Pontiac and Holden actually start to make a comeback just to kill them not to mention absolutely destroying Saab (god I loved the 900 as a kid).
Meanwhile Buick is allowed to exist and make those commercials which would be referred to the UN commission on human rights as form of mass torture
The SS just makes me sad. I found out about it and fell in love with it. Noone ever knew what I was talking about and I had to defend myself multiple times that yes it is the SS not the trim. Breaks my heart
The Chevy SS will be a high-dollar classic sometime in the future due to the low sales numbers. Especially the 6-speed models.
And the windows, power seats, and dash won't work! lol
One of my friends at work has a Holden redline ssv @100kms. Interior was already falling apart.
That car has so much plastic,,,lol
@@stealthworx4371 As somebody who owns a 1982 Chevy Camaro, let me just say that interiors haven't been Chevy's strong suit for a looong time. I'd like to say that things have changed since then, but all their interiors fit together poorly and they rattle and squeak. I removed all the rear panels in my Camaro, due to the fact that they were just so damn noisy, and it drove me nuts.
Aside from the Camaro and the Corvette, (And Diesel pickup trucks) GM has been seen as pretty uncool for a long time. It's a shame, cause Chevy used to make some of the coolest looking vehicles in the world decades back, but now they just make boring cars for old people.
damn, the way the focus rs got axed is actually making feel intense amounts of rage
Me: Dad, do good cars go to heaven?
James: The viper is in hell...
Me: d...dad?
@Ken Norcott haha a cartpusher at my job was talking about dropping money on a new Saab car from a collector
Or... from the hell, like the hellcat
@BroknWingedHawk 777 the lord has a collaboration with satan
@BroknWingedHawk 777 haha im joking bruh
The Focus RS was a legit car. I drove a showroom stock RS at COTA and it was a blast to drive. It handled extremely well, had good power and throttle response, and the seats were excellent. It’s funny that Ford and their dealers act like it’s some kind of miracle when they actually put together a great car.
The only channel I will watch the ads for
“RIP SRT” rip to the second golden era of muscle.
@El CidFredo Flores They are killing second golden era of muscle beacuse now is focus on electric cars
@El CidFredo Flores Gas prices will DROP as more electric cars come to market. Less demand, greater supply, lower price. 4 cylinders have been making more power than V8's of old for years, it should be no surprise there isn't a demand for V8's either. SRT got killed because Europeans are in charge now and they recognize that the single digit percentage of sales from SRT products aren't worth the image of being wasteful and inefficient.
@@EMFAudio Everyone has the story wrong about whats happening with SRT and its actually kinda funny to watch. SRT isn't going anywhere, they just integrated the team into the main dev teams for the sake of linearity in design.
@@Deagers They'll go away when they change to 4 and 6 cylinders and people stop buying them because they think a V8 with a bunch of power is the only way to go fast and if it's not a V8 they don't want it. SRT cars sell on stigma only.
@@EMFAudio your wrong and right... It's the v8s Roar people love the most can't get that with a v6, 4 cylinder or electric, then the power is second I don't think I've even seen a SRT without a modded exhaust system everyone wants the head turning SRT V8 Growl.
James the D-List Daddy, has once again blessed us with another banger! 🔥👌
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Chick
The Chrysler Airflow history is cool, glad that was included
Good list, cool cars. Nice video
the chevy SS was oddly my dream car when it came out.. I still love it
At the time mine was made (2016), it was only one of two four door sedans with a V-8 and a manual transmission available in the United States (BMW M5 was the other).
I also liked the Pontiac G8 at the time. They had some with over 400hp. I think 2009 was the last year. The Chevy SS reminds me of it.
@@frenchonion4595 for 5 k less you can get an ats-v which is a damn good car..super underrated
@@darkstar189 because they are the same car, just different generations. Both are Holden Commodores that have been rebadged.
@@frenchonion4595 Rarity adds value. They are cheap in Australia where they are plentiful.
I almost cried when I saw "Saab"
Then I cried when I saw the "Viper"
Saab? Why? Theu were garbage... I mean you can argue if you want to but being a tow truck driver for 25 years I promise you I used to tow a large amount of sabbs. Garbage man... they were ugly too i don't get it lol
@@joeyjohnson4826 Probably towing the ones that have been sitting and neglected
Saab’s are incredible in my opinion very reliable if you keep it well
@@joeyjohnson4826 Anything is a good vehicle if it's taken care of. Maybe it's how the owners treat em.
Same for Saturn. I love that brand. I recued an SC1 that I plan to do some stuff to, and an Oldsmobile.
@@rustythefoxcoon5143 Saab? Garbage, they were garbage before gm bought them, they were even worse with government motors I still remember the part number for the battery that went in those general motor Saab they took a 48.... Saturn's weren't bad cars they weren't necessarily nice-looking cars but they were reliable there's still plenty of them on the road and havenet made them since 2008.... and no not every vehicle is a good vehicle.... if taken care of ....some of them are manufactured poorly ...they're made with cheap parts and they break
"Who would buy a car without even driving it??!!"
Elon Musk: Hold my beer...
every ‘CARVANA’ customer.
(not me.)
My Oldest sister bought a car without test driving
@@jamesbulldogmiller Or other online dealers such as Vroom. My parents bought a 2016 Lexus GS350 at the end of 2020 for my Mom's new car
@@jamesbulldogmiller from their Website you get 7 Days to return the An I believe a review I seen they even let you test drive it sometime before the driver leaves
Fools born every day.
I used to cruise in a beautiful cobalt blue '97 Viper RT-10, and it's still my favorite driving experience to this day. Unfortunately, it lost something when the remodel came out under the SVT brand. It just wasn't the same.
THAT'S A MONDEO
The Last thing I expected here, anyways back to 2018 Monaco Full race that’s somehow slipped through the cracks on TH-cam that is currently blowing up.
I would never have expected to see you here!
The mainstay of the travelling salesman in the UK for around a decade......
Facts
Every European during that bit
Fun fact about the LFA I learned yesterday: there's only one unsold LFA left in the world right now.
Do they finance lol
@@nwga.5327 yeah it’s on this expo website
Fuck I really wish I was rich 🤣
I just looked and there’s a fuck ton
@@hanledeezbars yep. a brand new LFA
I always wanted a Contour SVT. Then I got one… turns out the body kit pooled water causing the rocker panels to rust out. They had some weird cheap plastic shift linkage assembly that would break really easily. Good luck if you had to do a clutch.. the subframe was in the way so you would have to partially unbolt it and try to pull the trans out from the side.
I still love them and their uniqueness but sometimes it’s better not to meet your heroes. Which is probably why I don’t own a 3000GT VR4.
I had an SHO and I can tell you the lesson you learned. Don't buy an American car that was made from a lesser car. If they made the car as an econobox and then stuffed a hyper engine in there and put a body kit on it, the engine will be hard to service, the extra power will break other parts in the drivetrain and the body kit will warp in the sun or there will be rust developing from where they attached the kit.
When they stop production, you won't be able to get parts and if you can source them from the dealership, they call all the mechanics to show them how much the part costs as they hand it to you and laugh at you.
Looks like an early Ford Mondeo
@@JohnSmithShields It is. It's a Mk2 Mondeo. Over in the UK that Mk2 Mondeo with a nicer bodykit but the same v6 was sold as the Mondeo ST.
Had a MK2 Mondeo st24. The V6 was a thing of beauty, but she was a thirsty girl.
Pontiac GTO, G8 and the Chevrolet SS (all left-hand versions of the Holden Commodore SS) were all AMAZING CARS and they failed to sell every single time
Whaddya mean, I’ve seen about four Pontiac GTO’s in the last two years with the most recent one being today. 😂
@@LuckyCharms777 - They flopped, no discussion, that's why they kept changing the name despite being just different gens of the same car
@@DanArnets1492
I was joking. My comment supported your point.
"Who in their right mind would buy a car without driving it?"
Hoovie: I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.
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I'm embarrassed to admit I bought an e46 with manual and only drove it after I bought it because I didn't know how to drive manual lol. Never making that mistake again
@@xXSQPRXx I bought my first E39 manual at an auction without driving it. It turned out fine. It was the only car I ever bought without test driving first. It turned ok.
A good laugh
Tesla Owners?
"Who in their right mind would buy a car without driving it?" Looking at you, Tesla buyers.
I bought a Lexus GS without test driving first. I am so glad I loved driving that car or else I'd have made the biggest mistake.
Tesla...lol.
people just eat everything someone throws at them...🤦🏾♂️
You can test drive Teslas, at least I have anyway. I went to one of the displays they had in the mall and they had a couple of them parked in the parking garage specifically for test drives. It won't be the exact car you purchase, but it's the same model.
@@randymiller1610 You can't test drive the one you're buying, and since they can't even manage to fit two fenders the same on the same day,t hat's important.
@@criticalevent Fender alignment isn't generally what a test drive is for. While test driving the specific car you are buying is important to people like you and me, for most people that would never push the car near its limits they would never be able to tell any difference in driving experience between one car or another of the same model. For a normal person, test driving a random Model S is just as good as driving a specific Model S.
LFA is my favorite car of all tiiiiiime. Ever since I first saw it on top gear and how it blew clarkson's mind I have been obsessed with it. I think it looks fantastic and is arguably the best sounding v10 engine EVER.
Not arguably, it IS the best sounding V10 ever. Anyone who says otherwise is incorrect.
The Viper will be back as always. I worked at Conner Assembly in Detroit for 2 years. Production last typically 4yrs then gets discontinued 2 yrs for re-engineering. The 5th generation Viper was built for LeMans due to the high european demand on the track. The base started at $80K they never expected it to sell in high volume in dealerships. They generated good revenue from LeMans and international sales, they just decided to sell a cool street version of a supercar that was successful on the track.
“The viper...is now in hell”
NOOOOOOOOO
The viper is now the king of hell my friend!
I wish I could afford one😢
Aww nuts
If you think about it, all cool things go to hell so the Viper doesn't stand a chance at making it into heaven. In heaven there will be Priuses and Corollas.
The French took over Dodge and cancelled the SRT division completely. No more fun cars.
Didn't know Avanti's were so rare, there's one sitting at a shop in my hometown! Sad it's been there for years, might have to take it off their hands
@@seatecastronomy7427 thank you for the information! I will keep it all in mind and read up some more
Man that's a pretty old car, how much ya want for it? X amount!? Man that thing doesn't even run. I'd give (low ball amount). Like what are you gonna do with it? Ya ain't drivin it, and it just sits there.
They were made here in youngstown Ohio. I’d love to have one just to have it back here
"If you wanna know more about hell, read the bible" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
See that’s the thing, the Bible still doesn’t say a lot about hell
@@adampaseur1190 it does you just have to look for the scriptures that do the thing is most people don't want to read about that
@@adampaseur1190 Did you know that the Person who talked about hell the most in scripture is Jesus? Google it. It's true.
The funny thing is, there is no Hell in the Bible. There is an explicit mention of Sheol, loads of references about Gehenna, but none about Hell. Hell isn't a Christian concept originally, but over the years it slowly became one, presumably due to medieval Catholic church. The religion ended up taking ideas from other surrounding cultures over the years anyway.
@@onemorething8175 He's actually talking about the concept of Gehenna, while the later translations changed it to Hell as the later versions of Christianity had made it a part of their belief despite it not being part of the Bible or the belief overall.
178mph in a 1963 Avanti. Whoever verified this has the brassiest of balls. The thought of hitting 90 in that car on those tires is scary enough.
The way I fucking cheered when the Baja finally got some recognition on Donut.
Love that funky little car, faults and all
On the Baja, there was no supercharged version right?
@@TheCrazyBird844 I don't believe so, just the standard model (NA, automatic) and the turbo model (turbocharged, manual)
Correction: turbo came in your choice of manual or auto
I really want a baja to park next to my brat.
@@parentsbasement7734 my dream is to get a Baja Turbo, wrap it in like a cyan-green, and get some stick on letters to christen it the Subaru Baja Blast.
Also to give it mo powah babeh and slam it on the ground to piss off every wrx driver in the greater area
“AIRPLANES?! EVER HEARD OF IT?!” Had me dying
Same I dunno why😂
6:15 SVT Contour is actually THE CAR that got me into cars. I loved sedans, wanted a manual, and loved the interior lay out. I saw a few locally and met one of the owners who also had 1 of 5 Boundarant Driving School SVT Contours he used for Auto-X. I got into Turbo VR6's instead but I'll always have a soft spot for the SVT-C. Thanks for mentioning my love :)
The SS went on sales hold shortly after coming up for sale. So only a very few were sold, then nothing happened for the rest of the year.
“A real man, I grew all this corn”😂😂😂
One of my siblings friend's parents had an original Silver Avanti. Back then it was worth BooKoo Bucks. In the same time frame a neighbor around the block had a 1953 Corvette.
BEAU-COUP Adj, informal. Many or much.
Today's learning experience brought to you by humility.
the Avanti (1963) was one of my favorite model cars I built when I was a kid..It just looked so futuristic... and the Dodge VIPER was a killer looking car with all the right curves ...too bad it didn't catch on... probably the cost....
The fact it was a handful to drive wasn't lost on potential buyers, either.
Contour SVT, also known as the Mondeo ST200
I had one up till 2016. Still miss it
Absolutely love my 2015 Chevy SS. Great car and after mods, 800+ rwhp catches plenty of the Mopar / Mustang crowd off guard.
You're one of the most enjoyable people to watch on youtube, never disappointed.
My first car was a contour svt and I remember working on it thinking "man, this is a pain in the ass". So there WAS a reason after all lmao
You perfectly described my demeanor when I saw those SS’s…I literally didn’t know what I was looking back then at until this video. “Chevy SS what?”
R.I.P Up to speed. That month off was never meant to be.
@VloneThugCJ yes R.I.P
@@marinekid27 no,that's not the end of Up to speed every thursday.
@@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 it's been 5 months going on 6. With no updates on it's return. Yea I would say it is the end of it. It is a shame too because I loved up to speed.
Yeah it’s a shame because up to speed was what made Donut but they still make quality videos imo. There’s only so many things you can make an up to speed on. I miss science garage too :(
@@TasteTh3Rambo I love this channel and I agree there are only so many things but there are really so many things left they haven't covered and I wanna see what they do. I miss science garage as well. Plus VS. and hi low. I do know they have been hinting at that to return but still. They should atleast keep us up to speed with up to speed. Instead of leading us on.
The SS HHR, or as I like to call it, the Sssshhhhrr" 😂😂😂😭😭😭that took me out
it's basically the pt cruiser chevy edition
11:41 I miss the days where "25 000$" was considered expensive for a work truck...
Holden did a great job on the design, the Commodore/SS looks mint fresh even in 2021.
GM just had to do the GM thing and kill of Holden.
The holden was dead before it was even branded the ss in the 🇺🇸
No Marketing since at the time GM was already working on more fuel Efficient SUVs n Trucks. At that time it looked like an overpriced Malibu, not to mention there was no demanded for it. They already had the Impala SS and, Malibu ss, not to mention the Caprice ss for government purchases. No room or time to advertise it since they weren't building it just receiving overstock from Australia 🤷🏾♂️
Glad I got my SS wish it was blue though
Holden here is Australia where shut down. Sucha waste cos the sales just don't show now for Holden utter trash they sell now. The commodore an the Ford falcon xr6 turbo was insanity for the money 💰
Should never have had 4 doors.
I was like 9 years old, and I saw an Avanti in Fort Lee, New Jersey, and I was totally confused, but my dad, who wasn't even really a car guy, made me believe it was something special. It's still got some kind of hold over me.
Not weird at all. The Avanti is the most perfect shape of the sixties, and Tom Kellogg (the last of the original design team that also included Studebaker veterans Bob Andrews and John Ebstein, team led by famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy) did a fine job of adapting the styling to the final generation Firebird.
After Kellogg died (near eighty years old, died in a car crash, as I recall), and the Firebird platform was no longer available, Avanti (now headquartered in Villa Rica, Georgia) adapted the body to the Mustang platform. A few were built when Avanti relocated to Cancun, then folded.
And yes, I was about seven when I saw my first Avanti at the Peachtree Hills Recreation Center in Atlanta (it was turquoise blue and had the 'Supercharged' script badge on the front fender). My Dad also told me it was something special, and that it was built by the same company as both our cars: a '60 Lark sedan and a '51 Commander Starlight.
I tapped this video thinking “the Lexus LFA is gonna be in here” AND ITS THE FIRST ONE HAHAH
You stole my avatar! We must duel now
@@Ontheregz OHHHH WTF I’ve had this one for like 5 years
Same pfp lol
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@@ineedtosleep5613 what is happening
Everybody loves the hand built Gen 5 Viper. But all the people who wanted to buy it couldn’t afford it. Those who could, bought the Corvette (i.e. old people).
The viper actually might come back as usual every 4 years... theres articles on dodge making new concepts for the Viper
As an owner of 2 Vipers and friends on the inside, I can tell you that the chances of the Viper coming back are slim to none. Even if they do call a future model a “Viper”, it won’t actually be a Viper since it won’t have the naturally aspirated V10 engine or manual transmission (as both were defining characteristics that made a Viper a Viper).
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see it come back one day, but if it has anything but a V10 & a manual transmission, it’s not actually a Viper.....
Watch it as Dodge make it a fucking SUV just like Mitsubishit did with the Eclipse
money wise i think it's time for the viper to evolve in order to be more marketable... that would mean making a new viper with a v8 engine, if they did that then it would be easier to swap in a ford crate v8 or chevy ls v8 engine in it and that would help it sell...
make a new viper with v8 engine, get 3rd party sellers to put in an upgrade in the engine bay which would make it easier to fit a ford or chevy v8 in it, and there it is, its new selling point.. it can be the new favorite drag strip car
@@gooser__43 Engines are all downsizing, not getting more cylinders. That, and it just wouldn’t be a Viper without its massive NA V10 engine. But we don’t even have to worry about that, since it’s next to impossible that a new Viper will ever come out.
@@gooser__43 the americans are known for their v8 engines, plain and simple.. the only exception is the viper with a v10.. the v12 belongs to the italians, who's more idiotic now???