PMDG 737 | Winter Operations Tutorial by Real 737 Pilot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- You’ve just slipped over on the apron and it’s covered in Ice as you walk up to your 737 for the day, how on earth are we going to prepare the aircraft when it’s covered in snow and it’s a few degrees below freezing?
Join me in Luton as we prepare the aircraft for Departure on a Snowy Winters Day! In this Tutorial we’ll cover
• Pre-Flight Preparation and Winter Operations
• De-Icing and Anti-Icing Procedure
• Start-up and Taxi in Freezing Conditions
• Fan Ice Removal using a Static Run Up
Any questions feel free to ask and I'll try my best to get back to you!
FD2S
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All guidance in my tutorials are based on real world operating procedures, I have almost 4000 hours on the 737-800 (The real one) and I'm also a full-time Instructor working in a full motion Level D simulator.
The aim of this channel is to provide realistic, informative and useful information to help you enhance your flight simulation experience by following me apply real world procedures
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THIS TUTORIAL IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REAL WORLD FLIGHT TRAINING
All guidance is for Flight Simulation on your PC only. These videos are NOT for professional guidance or instruction but to provide an insight to commercial operations. You must only consult your approved training material/official guidance from your operator.
For enthusiasts, I am in no position to share/copy company material. All guidance is purely to enhance your home flight simulator experience. Any comments/view expressed are mine only.
If you happen to be an Airline Pilot in training or a curious operator firstly thanks for watching! Secondly PLEASE make sure you consult your operators approved training material ONLY.
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Addons Used:
UK2000 Luton (EGGW/LTN)
FSX Steam Edition
PMDG 737 NGX
FSX Active Sky Next
REX 4 Texture Direct
EZdok Version 2
ORBX FTX Global Base Pack
FSDreamTeam GSX Ground Services X - เกม
This is fast becoming my favourite TH-cam channel ever! Clear and concise explanations, good editing and no irritating background music! Thank you FD2S!
Thanks Vishal!
FD2S
Yo, there's a guy in my year with your name. You from AUS?
Scout04
No I'm not from Australia. Both my first and last names are quite common so chances are there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people with the same name around the world! Sorry to dissapoint you!
Haha its fine! Have a good day :)
Another great video-- laughed hard at the ground crew "----ing off" on you.
Haha, I wasn’t expecting it! FD2S
One of the best channels I've come across for detailed tutorials on real world procedures. Keep up the great work!
Thanks awfully Jeremy and Welcome.
FD2S.
Brilliant tutorial! :)
Thanks AviationPro!
I've watched some of your content, you seem to have the basics grasped! You might have to show me how to live stream one day!
FD2S
Awesome! :) I really like your content, very useful for the flightsim & PMDG 737 community. Sure thing, feel free to shoot me a message anytime ;)
Like aLIeNWaRe pc posted below, it is great to see you on Zibo's forum & to learn you are trying out the X-Plane aircraft. He is right when he suggests the IXEG 737-300 is one to have even though it is retro. Sure, there are still some upgrades to come but in the meantime it's such a fun aircraft even though it does not have the pop up panels as in PMDG. But the guys who spent ages developing the model wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible & it helps you appreciate how far Boeing upgraded the line to the NGX.
Zibo's dedication is legendary & he does it for free. I suspect PMDG won't be in a hurry to port their NGX to X-plane if at all, with his mod & the IXEG already performing well. Others are guessing they might bring a B-747-8, or B-777 to the sim instead (if at all).
Looking forward to more tutorials.
Happy flying
Hi Richard,
First time using X-Plane and I think it's much more immersive and it feels much more realistic, especially the environment.
I'm looking forward to using the ZIBO 737 for a few tutorials perhaps in the future, I'll generally be using the NGX as it's the most complete product with all the systems pretty much matching its real life counterpart, plus I've pretty much got me head round using it again now!
Take care!
FD2S
Would it be possible to do a video on the altitude correction on the approach due to low temperature? How to fly the approach and program the FMC in that case. Thanks for the great job
Amazing - you can certainly see the difference with a qualified Pilot explaining things. Thanks!
Thanks for your kind words!
FD2S
Recently found out about this channel, I'm not one to usually comment on vids but I feel compelled to say I love your stuff. Especially the little 'meme' touches, haha. Thanks a bunch for taking your time to upload these! Quality!
Haha! Thanks a lot Ratzzor!
FD2S
Hahah, love how you keep it serious while still making it funny!
Who doesn't love a randomly placed meme and occasional banter!!??
FD2S
Still great and valid 4 years later and a great way to refresh this knowledge this time of the year 🙂
Brilliant. Never seen this performed before on any Chanel. Was on a internal flight a few years ago when the fan blade de ice removal was done. Like you say “quite impressive “ Quite a few worried faces on some of the passengers. Well done and please keep up the good work.
Regards Steve.
I don't think many people are aware of the procedure. It comes as news to people on their Type Rating!
FD2S
Two months ago I requested that you do this tutorial on Winter Operation. Thanks you for your written comment then and thank you now for the follow-up vid tutorial. Great tutorial as always. Cheers from across the pond v/r Mike
Excellent. I've been flight siming for 20yrs since my PPL at OMD ( 28 day course ) your commentary raises my experience to a new and realistic level. Thank you. M
Thanks SEVENwood777! Glad you enjoyed it!
FD2S
Shame I did not see this video before. I had loots of question about winter ops fluids and more on my screening b4.
Thanks very good video
I agree with Vishal. Big fun to watch these youtube tutorials
Kind regards from a big fan
Well done! Thanks for sharing!
Great insight...and many simmers today really want to fly as realistic as possible. Would be good if you could briefly cover what is omitted though.
Hi Rolex Kings, glad you enjoyed it!
Only minor things which cannot really be accurately simulator in a desktop simulator. (eg Braking Actions, Runway Condition Assessment Matrix (TALPA) and pre-takeoff contamination check (No Snow or Ice builds up with FSX) for example!
I included the most important elements of winter operations which you can apply.
FD2S
These keep getting better and better! Love the new camera angles
Thanks Bm Schaumburg!
FD2S
Exactly what i was looking for to know..
Cyyz uses off apron deicing. As I recall from years ago, Amsterdam does as well
Very instructive and a not very know subject. Thanks for the video!
The passenger memes on the engine run up 😂
Another great video, every question that I start to form you always seem to answer as I’m thinking them.
Glad you enjoyed it!
FD2S
Best channel ever! Could you please make a tutorial how to calculate the V-Speeds and select DERATES?
Hi Fly with TB500
Yes I will look into it, I've got a lot of planned videos for the next few months. I need to find out what the community use to calculate T/O performance as I'm very fortunate to be able to access the Boeing OPT EFB which is not available publically.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Sounds good😀 Is it possible to use a table instead of a software and make this table public in the tutorials description? Is this allowed? Anyway am I exited to hear nore videos were planned😀 I think this is also good for you for practising your procesures🤔
I’m afraid I won’t be able to share! I could use some examples in a tutorial but the tables are Airport/Runway/Thrust setting specific
Yes the tutorials are fun! Instructing new/line pilots keeps me sharp enough but you never stop learning!
FD2S
interesting guide and the best channel when it comes to explaining the procedures in 737-800, as for information and procedures, time to test them in simulator: D
Thanks for your kind words!
FD2S
More, more and more please! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have a tutorial that would be excellent for us to see. Or at least I think it would. An explanation and tutorial on what and how to work put the isa/dev in the fmc. Everything I find seems to go right over my head.
Hi kristian.
Although no dedicated tutorial I have explained how to calculate it in a few tutorials.
To find the ISA Temperature on the DES FCST page you need to know what the ISA temperature is at sea level is, it's 15C! If the aerodrome was at sea level and the temperature was 10C the ISA DEV would be -5C.
The rule of thumb for every 1000ft you climb the temperature should drop by 2C. So the ISA at 1000ft = 13C, 2000ft= 11C etc. Search "Adiabatic Lapse Rate" to learn more!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim thanks very much I think. Its gone slightly over my head but you've pointed me in the right direction
I came across your channel cause I saw your post about zibo's. I'd love to see you in Xplane. Try the IXEG 737-300. You'd love it. Gosh I got a ton of videos from you and gotta see them all! Fantastic job
Hi there, I'm still getting used to it! X-Plane feels a lot more immersive than FSX! Enjoy!
FD2S
Extremely helpful tutorial, thank you very much :)
Thanks Squawk 737!
FD2S
Love your content! You are really putting some work into your videos, keep it up! Appreciate it so much.
Thanks a lot Niet!
FD2S
17:28 😂
Hey FD2S! Brilliant video one again :)
Which method of recognizing what raw data holding entry (direct, tear-drop, parallel) do you recommend to use during airline screenings? The three finger method?
Now you're taking me back! (The Beauty of an FMS is it does it for you!)
Yes the three finger method (110 degree/70 degree) would work, try and do it by just looking at the RMI without sticking your hands up, we'd rather you kept those on the control column if flying manually!
FD2S
Thanks for yet another fantastic tutorial :-) Is there an equivalent video about approaches. About cold temperature altitude corrections. What altitudes to correct and how to work the FMC???
Thanks Kristian!
Not sure if cold temp correction and Altimeter error due temperature is correctly modelled. Change all altitudes below the temp corrected MSA, some altitudes don’t need to be changed on RNAV approaches.
FD2S
Wow! Outstanding!
Thanks!
FD2S
I never knew that the flap indicator had two hands :O
L & R!
FD2S
Great video! Can we get a tutorial on how to build our own approach? Would really help!
Can look into that, some of my Approach Tutorials show how to create waypoints.
FD2S
Firstly, I must say that thank you for your stunning tutorials. Very clear and simple explanation of flying procedures for aviation enthusiasts. All of your tutorials are extremely useful for us, for me at least. I've learned so many things thanks to you. Now I want to ask you something. I am preparing for DLR exams but do not have enough resources to prepare myself properly. If you know useful resources, can you suggest some of them? It can be very useful for me to listen an experienced pilot's advices. :) And the last question is; what should be my mathematics level in order to be a pilot without any issue? I am learning math for 3 months but I don't know when I could reach that level.
Thank you so much again for all of these tutorials. If you reply my questions I would be more than happy. :)
Regards.
Hi Ercan. I'm unfamiliar with DLR but google tell me it's some sort of pilot aptitude test?
There are lots of useful pilot aptitude resources online. Mathematics wise just the basics, Number, Geometry and Basic Algebra.
Good Luck!
FD2S
Hi again,
Thank you for your answers. Indeed, DLR is a pilot aptitude test which is being used by several airline companies like Lufthansa, Turkish Airlines, Eurowings etc.
Thank you again for your reply and tutorials. Best wishes for your career and life. :)
Regards.
Another amazing video, always learning with you. Thank you for that, really! Whould it be possible to do a video explaining some emergency situations like engine failure?
Hi SkaN.
Yes looking to expand into some Non-Normal Procedures for my playlist in the future!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thank you for all your hard work to help us understanding and learning more about aviation! :)
Excellent !!!
Hello, Nice to learn something that nobody seems take care of for the flightsimmers ;) Execelent explaining (again) and you also a very good video producer. Receive the passengers a messages that they have a wait pause from 30 seconds? I can imagine that they are worry if the engines runs and nothing seem to happening.
I also find it strange that a 125 million plane don't have a adaptive cruise control on the grond of maybe I'am lazy.
Thank you very much again and I prefer your (instruction)videos more then House of Cards (lol) Bye bye
Haha, I'm yet to watch that series! Thanks a lot!
FD2S
Brilliant FD2S!! I really enjoy your videos, you command a level that interests one immediately.
I have a question regarding real world operations. How many failed starts have you experienced during wet weather conditions, or dry for that matter, and after a failed start, can you re-start straight away or do you have to wait?
Keep up the excellent tutorials
Kind Regards
Nigel
Hi Nigel, thanks again!
In 6 years never due to adverse weather, a couple due to technical reasons. Either way round consult engineering prior to another engine start.
FD2S
Nice vid! thanks for sharing
Thanks Samuel!
FD2S
i'd love to see you try X-Plane 11 737-800 with the zibo mod which essentially enhances the aircraft significantly! It's really recommended in the XP community and best of all it's free! I'd just love to see your opinion on it.
I have installed X Plane 11 but haven't got around to using it yet, will give it a try I promise!
FD2S
ok ehehe i'll keep checking in for that video lol
Hey man, loving your tutorials they are really helping me get proficient in the sim at the 737.
One question though, I noticed you had a different stab trim set to what the fmc value was, i presume you would get this through the Boeing opt app but is there a way to calculate it or a general rule to follow that will get it closer to the correct value ?
Thanks for the tutorials once again,
Matt
Hi Tony,
We do not edit or calculate Stab Trim using the FMC by entering the CG here. Our trim is calculated by a dispatcher using a Loadsheet and set manually on the trim wheel when we complete the pre-flight performance using the Boeing OPT App. I think the FMC Stab trim setting is certainly good enough for you to use.
FD2S
Can you make a video on how derates and noise abatement procedures work + how to read them off a chart?
th-cam.com/video/EnpK42MlolQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi Demon.
This should help you regarding NADP Departures,
th-cam.com/video/EnpK42MlolQ/w-d-xo.html
Will look at Takeoff Performance Charts at some point in the future.
FD2S
hey FD2S great tutorials , have enjoyed them :), quick question, on the NGX QRH on page 354 (i think) is the auto brake stopping distance, could you do a video explain the calculations required, to work out which auto brake setting would be used? i have looked at it and there is a lot of factors that go into it, would be great if you could try and simplify it for me/us?
thanks for the videos much appreciated..
Hi there!
Thanks a lot! I can look into using the QRH Normal Stopping Distance at some point, we used it everyday before we used OPT to make all the calculations!
Essentially we "Brake to Vacate", planning to vacate at the most suitable exit.
FD2S
Great one ;)
Thanks Pilot Juan!
FD2S
Thanks very much again, very interesting and a welcome break from writing reports on a Saturday! I noticed that the take off was taken without taking a backtrack. Using the old adage of one the most useless things is runway behind you, would you not always take advantage of all the available runway?
Hi ghl.
When operating out of an Airport like Luton which doesn't have holding points at the threshold of each runway it would be appropriate to plan for an intersection departure performance permitting. Full Length would be used for performance reasons and would perhaps require coordination with ATC due to the time required to backtrack.
FD2S
Ok, I undestand. It would be time consuming to backtrack and I guess other pilots would be over the moon to wait I guess.
Thanks again for your time, I really appreciate it as do thers here of course. I have been trying the Gibraltar westerly landing and finding it very difficult. Have you flown in there?
regards
gareth
Hi Captain, in which video do you cover decent tutorial?
So, freezing conditions are when temperature is less than 3 degrees + different criteria (like fog), and icing conditions are at or below 10 degrees + different criteria, if I understand correctly? Would all procedures shown in video be also required in "icing conditions"? For example in 7 degrees Celcius? Thanks in advance. EDIT: Also, do you apply cold temperature altimeter corrections? If yes, to which altitudes (meaning - approach, or departure, DA/MDA or all of them?) THANKS
Hi Konrad, yes that is correct. 7 degrees Celsius would not necessarily be icing if you do not have any associated moisture (snow, rain, fog, clouds etc)
Yes we do, when ever the temp is 0 or below every altitude below the MSA has to be changed, there are some exceptions on particular RNAV approaches
FD2S
You forgot the wipers 😜
Hi captain thanks for sharing i have 2 question.
One is in tutorial you mentioned that below 5 degree u might think the ignition in both position. Your elevation was below 2000 feet. So you told that because of your company procedurs or else ?
Second is During the runup are you using the normal brakes or parking brake. Because if parking brake and pusing toga we will sound take of config alert . İf we advance thrust levers to 70 do we still sound that warning.
Thanks for sharing your experinces. These are very useful for us as cadet.
Hi cagatay.
Igniters to Both for very cold engine starts.
Foot brakes for that very reason, we don't want the config warning horn to sound!
FD2S
Hello sir, another awesome tutorial!
In the PMDG 737 during the descent when the OAT is below 10ºC and there are some clouds I turn on the angine anti-ice and the N1 icreases by quite a bit and I have to use speed brake to manage the speed, does this also happens in the real A/C?
Thank you, keep up the good work.
Hi Claudiu
I don't know how accurately this is simulated with the NGX, there is an increase as Bleed Air is taken directly from the engine but I couldn’t tell you how much N1 increases in real life, I've never really paid attention to it!
There is a decrease in your ROD/Increase of speed in VNAV but I've never considered how this will affect my descent profile. It does make a small difference to your descent of course but it's negligible compared to say a speed change from ATC or a massive shortcut!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thank you very much for the explanation. :)
Hello Captain, Q: As told into the video sometimes the de-icing take please near the runway at a special platform. You say that normally the APU is shutdown so I assume no chemicals get into the plane. But how to handle with the engines when you de-icing take place just before or near the runway. I assume you don't shutdown when you arrive but with running engines they press also air into the plane. Also it seem dangerous for the people that must work behind the running engines. I assume you must cut-off some bleed temporarily during the de-ice?
Hi G L,
Remote De-Icing with engine running is common at certain airports and yes extra precautions need to taken with engines running!
and Yes absolutely right! All APU and Engine Bleed Switches need to be off and can only be placed on one minute after the completion of the de-ice/anti-ice procedure to stop those objectionable fumes from entering the cabin,
Take care!
FD2S
Just a question, shouldn't you take time after the fluid had been applied? In order to know if you exceed the holdover times.
The opposite Ismael! As soon as the fluid is applied we make a note of the start time of the application, HOT starts from then!
FD2S
Roger! Nice to know it, thank you.
Tnx a lottttt😂
One question: Is it right, that reduced takeoff thrust settings are not authorized on runways contaminated with standing water,
snow, slush, or ice ?
Hi Sergej.
We take a reduced derate (24K or 22K) but Assumed Temp prohibited.
FD2S
How do you go on track? on keyboard
And during takeoff and landing without snow, rain or sleet but in 10 degrees or below, you would select engine/wing anti ice? On landing, would you turn them on whilst approaching clouds, and turn them off when climbing out of clouds? In the FMC I can select at what altitudes I will be required to use them.
Hi EnikOLED.
Next Tutorial will explain use of Wing and EAI.
FD2S
are the physics realistic in FSX?
It's not too bad, I've recently tested X-Plane 11 which "feels" better. The dynamics and how aircraft behave with certain configurations, attitude and thrust settings are pretty close to the real thing, the same with other aircraft I've tried in FSX and flown in real life
There are some subtle differences which I always try to bring to your attention but the flight model is pretty sound.
FD2S
Hi, i need help with the hud.
I can't turn it on or at least there is nothing showing on the Display... What do i have to do with the settings on the lower center part in the cockpit?
Hi Maik,
I'm not familiar with the HUD, our fleet are not fitted with the HUD, you'll find guidance in FCOM 2 available from PMDG
FD2S
flightdeck2sim okay... Still thank you and i'll look it up in the manuals
Do you turn off the anti ice once you reach -40ºC SAT?
Correct! But in descent whenever the temperature is below 10C TAT/SAT
FD2S
Alright. Thank you very much and keep up the great tuturial work ;)
3rd!!