It's quite simple, in Ragnorok when Hela gives the real history of Asgard, she is clearly shown wielding the hammer. So even though Odin put the spell on the hammer, Hela was exempt since it was originally her hammer. Forged for her so that supersedes Thor's hold on it or any worthiness.
That's not how that works. I make and wield a sword, someone puts a spell on it to limit who can use it. Just because I used it before the spell doesn't make me immune to the spell. That same logic would apply to Thor. He used it for centuries, and then there was a spell put on it so, by your logic, he should be immune to the spell. That's not how that works.
@@TheLumpyShield Doesn't matter whose it was first. Odin's enchantment sets the rules. Clearly she's putting effort into stopping it, and then she immediately destroys it. She literally NEVER wields it. If somebody changes the locks on the house, it doesn't matter if I owned it first, one I can't get in, and two, I'm still breaking and entering.
I don't think Odins spells failed after his death. I think they just weren't being reinforced by him actively being alive. Meaning the spells are all still there but someone strong enough could break them like Hela. While Odin was alive he was truly too powerful for her to stop so his lifeforce stopped her from breaking his spells. But once he was gone she could break the spell.
Yup, I also thought something like that. My thoughts went like: What is preventing Hela from wielding the hammer? Odin's Spell How can Odin create such a spell? Because he is a powerful God who knows how to make & break spells. Who else is a powerful God? Hela So I thought it is pretty much possible that she was able to overpower / break the spell Odin put on the hammer. Basically if Odin can create such spells, I don't see how Hela can't break them, seeing as they are both the same lifeforms. It's like how we humans create Stealth Aircraft to launch attacks in secrecy, but we also build ever better & more sensitive radio technology to intercept those of others.
well based on the pics from the love and thunder set they had to dig around the remains of the hammer so im guessing no one was able to move them due to the spell.
This video is wrong, but yes I agree with your theory more. If Odin's spells stopped working then his blessing on Loki would be undone and he would turn into a frost giant again.
It's established in the MCU that spells can continue after a person's death "You'll find it very difficult to remove a dead man's spell" Said the sorcerer supreme to squidward. Hela wasn't held by a spell, but by Odin actively keeping her at bay, his life force pushing against her. I don't think the spell was broken on Mjolnir, I think it was just a matter of raw strength.
As a note, when Thor throws his hammer, unless he's fighting or doing something cool, he tends to keep his arm outstretched. I personally believe that not only is he waiting for the hammers return but also being a pushing force to propel the hammer forward. So it is very likely that hella is just stopping it. I think what reinforces this theory is the fact that both the hammer and hella's arm are shaking, implying that they are exerting force against eachother. Thor's arm is also shaking, making me think he is pushing against the hammer to try and gain leeway. Hella gripping the hammer and keeping it there is kinda thrown out the window because, tho she is very very strong, one can not simply grip a hammer with just a thumb. The force needed to hold it would case the said thumb to push it across the palm and make it fall off. Fly off? Fly passed? Hammer no on hand no more. And based on how her hand tenses when she breaks the hammer, it seems like she adjusted the hold so her pinky was on the other side so she could crush it. Just my thoughts tho. Bye bye and stay hydrated.
Agree. The still frames do not give an accurate picture of what’s actually happening. Odin’s spell does not die with him (unless magic works differently for Dr. Strange) - he needed to constantly keep Hela’s prison door shut.
@@nobleskywalker4639 Hella owned the hammer before Thor and before the 'worthy' spell was put on it. That's why is was depicted on the mural. But Thor now owns the hammer, meaning it follows his will unless someone elses picks it up because they are 'worthy'.
As much as I think all the theories are interesting I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it’s most likely Hela both stopped and his holding the hammer with Odins spell still intact. This is because the scene is suppose to play a thematic role of “raising the stakes”, infantizing Thor and Loki in the face of overwhelming power that they can’t match. What better way of doing that then not only showing that Hela can overcome such enchantments through sheer power, but also destroying an artifact that the mcu has already established as the previous pinnacle. It undercuts the thematic message if hela is not overcoming the spell. This is further reinforced by the fact Hulk never directly fought Hela, the writers needed plausible deniability in a matchup but also they need his position as a powerful character maintained until a scene in the future where thanos infantizes the hulk in hand to hand thus similarly “raising the stakes”
That could also just apply to human magics tho, after all thor and odin are not human so maybe their magic cant survive after them. With such long life spans I would assume it hardly matters and you would find alot more choas if past kings left stuff with magic seals and charms and what not behind. Just my thoughts.
@@Spidey-ek4sy it's never said exactly how Hela was imprisoned in Hel. Only that Odin's power was the only thing keeping her there. I see no reason why the rules applied to human sorcerers wouldn't apply to everyone else.
Some spells die with the caster, and some don't. Odin's spell on the hammer is different from his spell imprisoning Hela, so the worthiness spell could be one that dies with him, or not. Meaning we still don't know whether the spell applied when Hela caught the hammer.
@@miriamrosemary9110 Oh no dout, also I was thinking and the spell on hela has to be a strong one and ongoing its not like hela is some weakling. To keep her trapped he must always be diverting some of his power to keep the trapping spell going.
I still believe she is just stopping it if she was catching it wouldn’t the wrist tassel on the end of the handle drop down in the shot of her stopping it the tassel is still in motion the way Thor threw it.
This would be the case of not for the detail that Thor seems to be calling back the hammer. Not only can we see Thor hold out his hand, but we can also see Mjölnir wobble in Hella's hand - this could be the first signs of her destroying the hammer or evidence that Mjölnir is trying to get back to the hand of its master
The tassel is up because he is pulling on it to recall the hammer, if she was just stopping it the tassel would drop down also, because if he was pushing the hammer why would he also pull the tassel for it to remain in the air. The only solution is that she is strong enough to hold it and destroy it and Thor had no say in the matter.
@@donuzz2043 Are you saying he was pulling it by the tassel? When that has NEVER happened at any other time he's called the hammer back to himself? It was up because that was the natural flight position, and she just stopped the thing right in place, with physics going right out the window.
I didn’t notice the strap before - it could only be horizontal if the was being pulled or held up by the air as the hammer travels forward. Question: is the strap part of Mjolnir as the handle or head are or not?
@@torazely yes, but the hammer is semi-sentient, and remembers its owners. In the comics (I know, I know, but still…) Moon Knight was able to take control of the Hammer, and also since a Black Panther is imbued with the power and memories of their ancestors, and an ancient Black Panther once wielded Mjolnir, the hammer absolutely refused to harm T’Challa
@@torazely So the hammer went back to its first owner and since it already was magical (forged by the dwarves in a supernova and claimed to be there best creation ad that time) /Odin spear Gungnir before aka magic\ it is magical.
@@donnafjla that's comic logic though. The movies function under slightly different rules, for instance, Hela being Odin's daughter rather than Loki's.
I honestly hate how much of this video was a tangent instead of focusing on the real question - why was Hela able to stop/catch the hammer. Even when you do make progress in answering you fly off on some weird tangent instead of addressing the question at hand
Honsetly I agree with everything except one detail. Thor's control over lightning doesn't come from the hammer. Odin clearly states to Thor that the hammer was simply a vessel for Thor to learn how to control his power therefore Thor could always channel his lightning this way but never realised as he didn't need to. With the hammer being gone Thor realises he doesn't need the hammer to in order to use his power. The whole whoever the hammer deems worthy shall have the ower of Thor only applies to everyone except Thor because it's Thor's power. :)
I am erock 1224 in their discord and that part of the theory was that mjloner was initaly a way for him to aim his power then after the enchantment is added then the hammer holds all his power
Or, Odin specifically tells Thor that he can channel lightning from his body, knowing that the enchantment has been lifted and that yielding the hammer changes nothing.
@@abdulrahmantabbaa1644 The exact quotes that supports what i said are Thor: She’s too strong, without my hammer I can’t… Odin: Are you Thor, the god of hammers? Hm? That hammer was to help you control your power, focus it. It was never your source of strength. Those quotes alone proves that even odin himself knew that Mjolnir could never truly wield and keep Thor’s power from himself and it was never his intention. Showing that even after the enchantment put on Mjolnir, the hammer itself was never and could never be the source of Thor’s strength and power as it is Thor’s and Thor’s alone to freely wield.
The reason she could hold mjolnir is because it is basically a wand and because she disarmed him she was actually mjolnir's true master and she broke it like harry did the alder wand in the end of the harry potter movie
When Hela is "holding" Mjolnir, the strap is being stretched taught, as if reaching towards Thor for help, which I think is further indication that she was in fact holding it.
Or the hammer was still trying to move forward. The strap always trails like that when it’s moving around. If it is moving forward while up against her grip, than it was not obeying her intent to still its movement. If she was holding, than it was not with a willing hammer.
@@patrickpaeztrying to move forward won't make strap straight cauze it should really move and here even after hela stopped it for more than 5 second don't make it obey to gravity make it thor màking It call back to his hand
Alternative theory: The spell says "... if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". But Hela doesn't need to possess the power of Thor to wield the hammer. The power of Thor allows one (Thor) to command the hammer, but so does the power of Hela and the power of Odin. Hela can command the hammer like she used to do before Thor with Odin. That hasn't changed. The worthiness charm applies to only one method (Thor's) of commanding the hammer. Other methods exist.
I still think Hela is only stopping Mjolnir, not holding it (no one could hold an object with such an awkward grip), but this is a 100% more interesting theory than the obviously flawed one shown in the video. Odin and Hela may be grandfathered in, so to speak, as far as Mjolnir is concerned.
That’s a good point. Based on the spell, being worthy is a sufficient condition to yielding Mjolnir, not a necessary condition. To have been necessary, the spell would have needed to say “Only if he be worthy…”.
@@SgtSupaman if she isn’t “holding” it then how did she break it into pieces? She had to have a grip on it to put the pressure in the spots needed to break it.
If she is holding why is the strap horizontal? Wouldn't it fall down? Your answer that Thor is calling it back could explain that but if he's still trying to force it to hit her then she is only stopping it...
A quote from Odin in Ragnarok: “Are you Thor, the God of Hammers? Hmm? That hammer was to help you control your powers- focus it. It was never your source of strength.” So, he doesn’t need the hammer to utilize his powers that he was born with. Think of it as a magic wand to focus his power through.
Thor’s powers do NOT live inside the Hammer. The Hammer is merely an object for him to funnel his power through. That is specifically explained in the MCU. When Cap wields the hammer, he doesn’t steal Thor’s powers from him. Thor still has his powers. This obvious in Ragnarok and Infinity War when he continues to use his powers without the hammer. Clearly the hammer is not the source of his powers. The ONLY time the hammer truly holds Thor’s powers is when he is unworthy of them and then the powers were stripped from him by Odin himself and placed in the hammer. The hammer only becomes a source of power when someone other than Thor wields it because only Thor is innately born with his powers.
Well, as you just pointed out, the only time we see Thor actually use his powers without Mjolnir in his posession is during Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame...which, as this video speculates, all take place after Odin's death would have ended the enchantment on Mjolnir and Thor's power. Also as you said, Odin's enchantment stripped Thor of his powers and placed them in Mjolnir. Cap using Thor's power against Thanos wouldn't have affected the present Thor because, as explained in the video, that hammer was taken from the past when the enchantment would still be in effect. So the power Cap is using would be the power of Dark World Thor, not present Endgame Thor. Also also, the MCU never explicitly details the relationship between Mjolnir and Thor's powers. The most we get is a sarcastic quip from Odin: "Are you Thor, god of hammers?"
i think the point is that while odin is alive, since he casted the spell saying that only the worthy could hold it, and who hold it would have lightning powers, and took thors powers, from that moment to the moment he dies, thor thunder powers came from the hammer, unless odin gives thors powers back at the ending of the first movie, which i don't remember, i only wachted it once, and it was years ago, so i am not sure, it was just what i understood (sorry if there's many mistakes, english is not my first language)
@@snuffles504 Thor's powers are only restricted by Thor himself, simply because he doesn't know how to use his own power without Mjolnir (until he has to figure it out in Ragnarok). However, Mjolnir gives anyone who wields it a copy of Thor's powers, so someone holding the hammer can do what Thor can do whether he has the hammer or not.
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 , Odin literally says in the movie that Thor's powers NEVER came from the hammer. This video has nothing from the movies that actually supports their theory, they just cherry-pick things out of context to make them seem like they support it.
How about the obvious that Hela is Odin's biological daughter but not Frigga's? I don't think the MCU will go so far that Hela is the daughter of the Dark Phoenix, but perhaps her mother is some absurdly powered being that passed some of that power to Hela.
Hm yes an all knowing dude that somehow didn't know that the way he was treating his son would lead him down a dark path nope MCU's Odin ain't all knowing
I think you also overlooked the fact that the Hammer was Hela's at one point; as the mural Hela uncovers in the Throne Room, shows. I'd go so far as to say, the Hammer is simply a training tool and it adapts to the power of its owner, as well as the possibility that Odin used it when his Father was King, kinda like the Hammer is the Mark of the Crown Prince(ss).
The last part is wrong. 11:10 The whole point of Ragnarok was Thor learning his hammer only helped him channel the lightning that was already inside him. It didn't just appear in him because it was released from the hammer. Odin even confirms that twice when he explains what I just did, and when he says, *"Are you Thor the god of hammers?"*
Wowwww.... I totally agree...that would explain why the hammer was shaking a little while Hela was holding it..because Thor was trying to call it back to him but her grip on the hammer was so strong that he couldn't call the hammer back to him 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I feel like maybe she’s just powerful enough to bypass odin’s spell altogether. We know from doctor strange that it’s next to impossible to break a dead mans spell, so the spell shouldn’t have died when odin did. The only reason the spell keeping Hela trapped broke was because Odin used his own life force to fuel the spell (since Hela is powerful enough to break most other spells, like the one on Mjolnir), and once it ran out Hela could break free easily
Hes definitely calling it back. The strap is pointing back to him, not dangling. This implies it is trying to return to him but can't because she is holding it.
Indeed; however, I would like to point out that this isn't proof that she could have wielded the hammer. Thor is the one keeping the hammer in place by trying to call it back. But Hela is able to simply keep it in place with her own strength. She certainly doesn't actually MOVE it anywhere. And the hammer doesn't stop people from GRABBING it. It stops people from MOVING it.
If you look at the scene in Endgame where Spidey catches the hammer with his web, it carries him be a use he can't control it. Using that same logic, the hammer would pull Hela if she wasn't able to hold it in place. Therefore she is clearly holding it place from going back to Thor.
@@kylecarter1599 I think that's because she's powerful enough to stop it, not that she is "worthy", or that the spell is lifted. I think the SCB were right the first time. Other people get hit with the hammer, and if they're tough enough, the hammer doesn't go through them - it stops or is deflected. Just like in Avengers 1 - the hammer is stopped by Cap's shield. It does not mean the shield is worthy. Any more than the coffee table in Avengers 2 is worthy. I see no reason to think that the spell is lifted simply because it's the hammer from the past. Either way, Odin is still dead, so if being dead means his spell is no longer in effect, why would the "other" hammer still have the spell in effect? Note also that the spell never says, "No one who is unworthy may lift this hammer." It says, "Whoever holds this hammer - if he be worthy - shall possess the power of Thor." So theoretically, anyone powerful enough might have been able to lift the hammer, but not being worthy, they wouldn't gain the power of Thor. Clearly, there's a bit more to it than that, because you would think that Hulk would be strong enough to lift it by himself (not being worthy, and so not gaining Thor's power), or Ironman and War Machine together might otherwise also have been able to lift it (but still not gain Thor's power). And then Vision lifted it easily - but we never see if he gained any of Thor's power. So to make a fairly simple speculation: Perhaps any sufficiently strong Asgardian can lift it (Loki is neither especially strong, nor Asgardian), and anyone Worthy can wield it and gain the power of Thor. Note that Hela never actually wields the hammer - she simply holds it in place, like the coffee table did, or the hook on the wall in Thor 2. After all, nothing says that Odin's spell can't be overcome by sufficient power. Even the Infinity Stones have their limits.
@@PhilBagels Or the new ruler of Asgard, and the wielder of the Odinforce, Hela is now the source of the enchantment and thus can ignore it. After her death, in Endgame, Thor is now the source of the magic, and when he brings the enchanted hammer from the past, where Odin was maintaining its enchantment, his belief that it should have that magic kept it functioning in the Odin-less future.
I remember the hammer being disguised as a cane and when Dr. Blake slammed the cane down he turned into Thor..... Of course that was the Thor cartoon and not the comic books so it might not have been the same.
The phrasing of the enchantment begins with "whosoever holds this hammer..." meaning the enchantment does actually stop anyone from "holding" it. So even if the spell is still in effect, Hela could be "holding" Mjolnir, she just isn't worthy of the power. She can't move the hammer. She's just physically strong enough to stop it from moving back to Thor. That's how I read the scene. And the hammer breaks because Thor is calling it back while Hela is impeding it, basically tearing it apart from the inside.
Exactly! Odin is dead, so why would the enchantment still be in effect on the "other" hammer? This theory is needlessly complicated, and seems to rely on the false idea that Thor needs his hammer to make the lightning. Hela is hella powerful. There are limits to even Odin's spell. There's no reason to think that the spell can't be overcome by enough raw power.
If I recall correctly, the cracks on Mjolnir spread from underneath Hela's grip. This strongly implies that she actively crushes it. EDIT: just watched the clip. It's very obvious that Hela actively crushed Mjolnir in her grip.
@@snuffles504 my idea is more that Thor pulling it back to him weakened it, allowing her to crush it. She probably could have still destroyed it, but Thor literally says earlier in the film "nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand," setting up it's destruction later in the film.
@Wech31 comic mjolnir is different from MCU mjolnir,in the comics,when unworthy people try to lift it,it grows in mass,but the hulk could simply because he was gaining strength faster than the hammer was gaining mass,so he could lift it,but the MCU one outright rejects anyone unworthy,thats the jist of it
Maybe Hela's actions are what helps to bring Ragnarok. So the hammer deems her worthy because she is on the inevitable path which Thor is trying to prevent.
I think the Mjolnir judges a person based on if they're pure of heart and not if their path leads to a positive outcome. That's just my opinion. MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, THOUGH.
11:06 Thor’s power existed within himself the whole time. He just didn’t know it until he had that experience with Odin’s spirit later in the movie. When Thor says he can’t defeat Hela because he doesn’t have his hammer, Odin says, "Are you Thor, the god of hammers?" And then he tells Thor the hammer was never the source of his power. Mjölnir was only meant to help him focus his power that came from within.
Just like how in Skyrim or Dragon Age we have mages who use staffs- they can cast magic WITH OR WITHOUT a staff, just having and using a staff makes it easier to control and direct where they want the magic to go. Same with Stormbreaker/Mjolnir and Thor- he can create the lightning all on his own as we've seen, just using those tools makes it easier to direct and gives him another blunt object- or in Stormbreaker's case, axe- to hit enemies with.
dude you are so wrong. In ragnarok, when thor and hela meet in asgard, he literally says, Father told you you were worthy, same to me. that means both were worthy.
I'm still on the side that Hela is stopping the hammer with brute power alone, just from the sound of the hammer makes it sound like the hammer wishes to fly through her rather than stopping.
Right. Notice how Cap's shield stopped the hammer in Avengers. Odin's spell was still in effect. And the shield is not worthy. Just like Thanos' critters (whatever they were called) could eventually push through the force field in Wakanda, Hela had enough raw power to work against Odin's spell.
I dunno, I still think she's stopping the hammer. Yes, Thor is definitely trying to pull the hammer back but that doesn't mean she caught the hammer itself, but that she simply grabs onto the end of it AFTER she stops it. Just because she grabs it doesn't mean she's holding it. If she grips the end just as Thor is trying to pull it back, then it would naturally stay in place since she's stronger than him. The important part here is that, despite being stronger than Thor, she does not MOVE the hammer at all. She just keeps it in place as she destroys it. Here's what I think. Thor throws the hammer, Hela stops it. Her arm even moves back as she stops it. But then Thor tries to call it back. The hammer begins to move back toward Thor, but Hela extends her arm to go with it, and gets a solid grip on the end of it. And there it hangs. Rather than release the hammer and allow Thor to regain it, she simply destroys it there. Whereas if she were actually able to wield the hammer herself, I don't know why she wouldn't demonstrate her superiority by moving it against his will, which seems more in line with her character imo.
Agreed. This theory is too convoluted. Why would the spell be lifted from one hammer, but not the other? Odin is dead at the time. Just because Odin cast a spell doesn't mean that enough raw power can't have an effect against it. And Hela is hella powerful! SCB had it right the first time.
She caught the hammer, she didn't wield it. Whether it was hers or not before Thor (even if it was I doubt it had the worthy enchantment, I think Odin put that in after the fact)it doesnt really matter, because she wasn't holding it by the handle and wielding it, she was just holding back its force. Thor has used Mjolnir's magical "weight" before against enemies to immobilize them, but that just goes to show that Hela was his strongest enemy to date as her own power matched or exceeded Mjolnir's force. That's why it was also shaking and struggling against her in her hand. It did not calmly surrender to her like Vision and Cap. I feel like this was a straightforward inference during the movie, not sure why people are so confused.
Exactly! This is a much simpler and more obvious explanation. Ockham's Razor. The theory presented is way too complicated and makes some unfounded assumptions. All powers have limits. Mjolnir's power has limits. Odin's spell has limits. Hela is just powerful enough to exceed those limits. That's all.
@@PhilBagels This is a theory for the sake of a theory so they can make a video for tuesday. Seems they keep on going down the rabbit's hole for theories of late so they can just come up with something. Instead of taking time and making an actual video and topic interesting.
I always thought that she caught it because when she catches it, the handle strap is pointing straight like Thor is trying to call it back, especially since his hand is still outstretched when she is holding it. I always thought she had caught it and was holding it from returning to Thor. Also earlier in the movie he says nothing will stop my hammer from returning to his hand, and Then in this scene, he says " It's...not... possible" further implying that she was holding it and he was trying to call it back but she was stronger. Whether that makes her Worthy or not, I'm not sure, but this is just my opinion.
"Everyone" should be able to hold the hammer. Odin's enchantment only imbibes in the holder the powers of Thor be he worthy and does not actually prevent people from picking it up. Therefore anyone with superhuman strength should be able to hold the hammer but wouldn't be able to channel lightening
I think its just because hela is related directly to Odin. Since Loki was adopted he wasn't worthy so it makes sense the worthiness could partly he hereditary
@@neverbehatin by partly I meant that genetics are one of the ways to be worthy. Cap and vision are mentally worthy at the times they've lifted mjolnir
I cant remember the other youtuber that did a vid on this recently, something you didnt mention is not only is Thor holding his hand out, the strap on Mjolnir is straining toward him. Keep up the great content guys 😀👍
But if the hammer didn’t have the spell cast by Odín anymore when it is destroyed, then why does lightning come from the hammer when it breaks. In Ragnarok when Thor talks to Odín. Odín says “are you the god of hammers, that hammer was there only to focus your powers”. That implies that the lightning Thor summons is from within himself, not from the hammer. If the hammer doesn’t have the spell that gives the user Thor’s powers, then why does lightning explode out of it. It doesn’t make scene
9:00 also small detail but to also prove that Thor is calling mjolnir back is that the strap is parallel to the ground so gravity isn’t acting on it (if Thor wasn’t calling it back it would be pointing down like in the trailer)
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." That doesn't say that nobody can hold the hammer, it just says that if you are worthy you will get the power of Thor when you hold it. Perhaps she is not trying to possess the power of Thor, but rather holding it just for the purpose of destroying it.
Some spells don't die with the caster! Whether this theory is true, depends on the rules of Odin's spell on the hammer. As Doctor Strange says in Infinity War, "You'll find removing a dead man's spell troublesome." So the question is, which type of spell did Odin use? So it could still be either option! Hela impeding the hammer, or catching it.
Worthiness does not equal goodness. Hydra-Cap, Doctor Doom, and Ragnorak (Thor's clone during Civil War [the...the comic book version]) have all wielded it. It's like the pure of heart trope in stories where the villain always shocks the protagonist by proving that having a heart of PURE evil works just as well as a heart of pure good when MacGuffin'ing the MacGuffin.
Odin: “Are you Thor, the God of hammers…?” SCB: “Nah the hammer wields all of Thor’s power”. Come on guys… Odin literally explains in Ragnorok TO Thor that his powers are not solely because of Mjolnir, but was only a way for him to safely channel his powers through Mjolnir. Thor’s powers are Thor’s alone. 😊 And that’s why anyone who DOES wield it, will momentarily posses the power of THOR.
I disagree. Look at the wrist strap in that scene. It's tought, and the hammer is shaking, as if trying to move, but is being stopped. I think the reason his arm is still out is because in his disbelief he hasn't put it down yet. So, I think she is just stopping it, and crushes it because shes just strong.
@@Leveler02 maaannnn.. Look at the man's arms.... If I was that jacked it'd be shaking too... But I digress. That is a valid point. I still stand by mine though lol
Yeah, we see in virtually every film that the floor can retain the hammer. And ofc there is the famous elevator speculation in Age of Ultron. I also think that's why Vision could lift the hammer, but never used any of Thor's powers like we see Cap use.
I don't think all of Odin's spells would fail upon his death. The hammer enchantment was a weaker effect of his, but the Hela prison was something so powerful he had to keep it constantly going with his own life force. That's why she was freed when he died, b/c she's basically just as powerful as he was. And since she is, she was able to easily overpower the hammer enchantment. If all Odin's spells were tied to his life, it wouldn't make sense to say that one hammer in present day lost the enchantment, but another retains it. Once you start getting wibbly wobbly, you'd have to explain which Odin's life is maintaining the hammer. The one in 2012 or the (dead) one in present day. Bringing the hammer through time would take it away from it's (supposed) power source. That's why it makes more sense to say the hammer was still enchanted, and she was just that powerful to hold it anyway.
The one thing disproving Hela catching the hammer vs just stopping it, is how it’s still vibrating like it’s still being thrown. Otherwise it would be a plausible idea
I think that since Odin was the one who put the “curse” on Mjonler that who ever holds this hammer will be worthy. Since Odin had died the “curse” on the hammer was removed this hela was able to hold it. (It’s just an idea though )
That's the theory presented. But Odin has died by _Endgame,_ when Cap catches and wields the hammer. The hammer being from a different timeline shouldn't matter. Unless the spell is broken by Odin dying, not the fact that he's no longer alive.
I just assumed that the enchantment that Odin put on the hammer is limited in strength and Hela is stronger then Odin so the enchantment wouldn't apply to her since she's stronger then the enchantment on the hammer. Also if we apply comics logic you don't need to be a good person to lift the hammer so she could just be worthy which I would be fine with.
5:40 you can clearly see that the strap-thingy is floating horizontally and not quite obeying gravity. Hela is holding back the hammer against it's wishes since it's trying to go back to Thor but it can't. It's flying cuz she's not welding it (holding it by its handle and stuff) but just holding it so that it won't go back to Thor
Oh, Loki being worthy is basically confirmed. Sylvie tells NY Loki that he has to enchant with her. NY Loki says he can’t. Sylvie says he can because they’re the same. Which means all of them are the same. Which means that if Boastful Loki can wield it then any of them can
In the norse mythology Hela isn't Thor's sister, she is actually Loki's daughter. And she has two lovely siblings, Fenrir the wolf, and the world serpent (Jörmungandr). Three lovely children who Loki was pregnant. Confused yet? Yeah Norse mythology is as weird as any other. Loki had many other children, but I only know one more, an eight-legged horse Oden later used as transportation.
@@lucyevans9448 Well Odin vitness the prophecy of them three bringing Ragnarök and killing him, so yes and no. Maybe if he didn't put Hela in charge over the dead, throw the world serpent in the ocean so it grew so huge, and lost the trust of Fenrir by chaining him up, Ragnarök wouldn't have happened.
Anyone else making this statement: it was Hela before thor so it makes sense... Supercarlinbrothers being out a video talkjng about it Me: ...I'm intruged
Well... the problem with it being Hela's first is that Thor also owned the hammer before the enchantment and it didn't come back to him when he wasn't worthy
I think Hela was only stopping the hammer in it’s path because you can see by the way the leather part at the end of the hammer was moving that it was still going forward.
You can see by the way the leather loop is sticking straight out it is still “in flight” and her arm shakes like she is pushing on it. Also if she could hold it, the directors would have made it more noticeable to point out that she could hold the hammer. She would have caught it and mocked Thor by playing with it before she destroyed it.
I'm sorry: Odin's spell is important but not for the reason you think. Odin places the spell on who he deems worthy. If someone is worthy from Odins POV then they will be able to left it. If not they won't. Also, any other person able to hold the hammer is able to hold it steady while Hela still has it vibrating. She's definitely impeding it not holding it. It's kind of like catching a football or baseball, that's just how you're going to instinctively hold it. The spell may have broken but she's not catching it in that moment
Thor was pulling it, the same time Hella was grabbing hold of it. That's probably why it was vibrating. Notice in the shown clip, even Thor's raised arm was also vibrating? With the enchantment gone, Mjolnir's sentience came back and remembered Hella, who was its past owner.
Actually Hella is the creator of the hammer!!! She is the goddess of death and she can handle the star with her body with zero problems. And the next is that the creation cant kill the creator.
Hela does not really hold it. She stops it and the reason why she could hold it in the old painting is because the worthiness aspect of the hammer does not come into effect until Odin banished Thor.
It’s a nice theory man but it was revealed in something (I forgot whether it was the director or not ) but when they moved to Midgard they weren’t able too pick the shards up that were left from the hammer
I actually thought the same as J but now I’m totally on board with this theory as it explains Cap using lighting and Thor’s powers and makes total sense. Good vid boys
With the preamble, I was actually down here in the comments writing out that I believed people were overcomplicating the matter of Worthy or not given Odin's death had just dropped one of his other enchantments and was about to post it when you got round to stating that was this exact theory. So, I agree completely.
The thing is Mjolnir is sentient, Hela was its original owner. Mjolnir seems a bit confused and sort of wants to go back to Thor but also missed Hela. Then, while Mjolnir is distracted, she destroys it.
5:18 Well, he's known as "the god of thunder" but his full godly domain is rain, which includes storms, lightning, and thunder alongside any other kind of rain
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Or the fact she used to wield it. Look in the tapestry scene
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If you look at the strap of mjolnir it's pointed towards Thor meaning Thor was calling it back and Hela held it so it couldn't move
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Hela is Mephisto. Everyone is Mephisto.
Seems legit
i am mephisto
@@abrahamo2895 Then I apologize if I offended you, O Demonic One.
Interestingly Ben Is The Only Person Who Isn't Mephisto
Mjolner is Mephisto, obviously.
It's quite simple, in Ragnorok when Hela gives the real history of Asgard, she is clearly shown wielding the hammer. So even though Odin put the spell on the hammer, Hela was exempt since it was originally her hammer. Forged for her so that supersedes Thor's hold on it or any worthiness.
I agree 💯
Thank you!!! This whole comment section completely forgot that it was HER hammer first, even before Thor was Born!
And also Dr Strange, Infinity War.
You'll find removing a dead man's spell troublesome.
That's not how that works.
I make and wield a sword, someone puts a spell on it to limit who can use it.
Just because I used it before the spell doesn't make me immune to the spell.
That same logic would apply to Thor. He used it for centuries, and then there was a spell put on it so, by your logic, he should be immune to the spell.
That's not how that works.
@@TheLumpyShield Doesn't matter whose it was first. Odin's enchantment sets the rules. Clearly she's putting effort into stopping it, and then she immediately destroys it. She literally NEVER wields it. If somebody changes the locks on the house, it doesn't matter if I owned it first, one I can't get in, and two, I'm still breaking and entering.
I don't think Odins spells failed after his death. I think they just weren't being reinforced by him actively being alive. Meaning the spells are all still there but someone strong enough could break them like Hela. While Odin was alive he was truly too powerful for her to stop so his lifeforce stopped her from breaking his spells. But once he was gone she could break the spell.
Fair
Good theory!
Yup, I also thought something like that. My thoughts went like:
What is preventing Hela from wielding the hammer? Odin's Spell
How can Odin create such a spell? Because he is a powerful God who knows how to make & break spells.
Who else is a powerful God? Hela
So I thought it is pretty much possible that she was able to overpower / break the spell Odin put on the hammer.
Basically if Odin can create such spells, I don't see how Hela can't break them, seeing as they are both the same lifeforms.
It's like how we humans create Stealth Aircraft to launch attacks in secrecy,
but we also build ever better & more sensitive radio technology to intercept those of others.
well based on the pics from the love and thunder set they had to dig around the remains of the hammer so im guessing no one was able to move them due to the spell.
This video is wrong, but yes I agree with your theory more. If Odin's spells stopped working then his blessing on Loki would be undone and he would turn into a frost giant again.
It's established in the MCU that spells can continue after a person's death "You'll find it very difficult to remove a dead man's spell" Said the sorcerer supreme to squidward. Hela wasn't held by a spell, but by Odin actively keeping her at bay, his life force pushing against her. I don't think the spell was broken on Mjolnir, I think it was just a matter of raw strength.
Here’s a cool idea: have Sylvie meet Hela.
I'd be ALL FOR THAT
That is a cool idea
Sylvie is like ... Hela's mother, if we are going by the comics. That'd be cool
I feel like they would be almost instantly best friends
@@chrishall5570 Even Sylvie would take one look at Hela and say, “nope.”
As a note, when Thor throws his hammer, unless he's fighting or doing something cool, he tends to keep his arm outstretched. I personally believe that not only is he waiting for the hammers return but also being a pushing force to propel the hammer forward. So it is very likely that hella is just stopping it. I think what reinforces this theory is the fact that both the hammer and hella's arm are shaking, implying that they are exerting force against eachother. Thor's arm is also shaking, making me think he is pushing against the hammer to try and gain leeway. Hella gripping the hammer and keeping it there is kinda thrown out the window because, tho she is very very strong, one can not simply grip a hammer with just a thumb. The force needed to hold it would case the said thumb to push it across the palm and make it fall off. Fly off? Fly passed? Hammer no on hand no more. And based on how her hand tenses when she breaks the hammer, it seems like she adjusted the hold so her pinky was on the other side so she could crush it. Just my thoughts tho. Bye bye and stay hydrated.
Agree. The still frames do not give an accurate picture of what’s actually happening. Odin’s spell does not die with him (unless magic works differently for Dr. Strange) - he needed to constantly keep Hela’s prison door shut.
Yes, it's really a visual depiction of an unstoppable force (Mjölnir) meeting an immovable object (Hela). Except Hela is stronger.
So what about the history mural in the palace where Hela actually is wielding Mjolnir?
@@nobleskywalker4639 Hella owned the hammer before Thor and before the 'worthy' spell was put on it. That's why is was depicted on the mural. But Thor now owns the hammer, meaning it follows his will unless someone elses picks it up because they are 'worthy'.
As much as I think all the theories are interesting I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it’s most likely Hela both stopped and his holding the hammer with Odins spell still intact. This is because the scene is suppose to play a thematic role of “raising the stakes”, infantizing Thor and Loki in the face of overwhelming power that they can’t match. What better way of doing that then not only showing that Hela can overcome such enchantments through sheer power, but also destroying an artifact that the mcu has already established as the previous pinnacle. It undercuts the thematic message if hela is not overcoming the spell. This is further reinforced by the fact Hulk never directly fought Hela, the writers needed plausible deniability in a matchup but also they need his position as a powerful character maintained until a scene in the future where thanos infantizes the hulk in hand to hand thus similarly “raising the stakes”
“You'll find removing a dead man's spell troublesome.”
That could also just apply to human magics tho, after all thor and odin are not human so maybe their magic cant survive after them. With such long life spans I would assume it hardly matters and you would find alot more choas if past kings left stuff with magic seals and charms and what not behind. Just my thoughts.
Even if that applied to Odin, that would mean that Hela would of never got out, which, she did
@@Spidey-ek4sy it's never said exactly how Hela was imprisoned in Hel. Only that Odin's power was the only thing keeping her there. I see no reason why the rules applied to human sorcerers wouldn't apply to everyone else.
Some spells die with the caster, and some don't. Odin's spell on the hammer is different from his spell imprisoning Hela, so the worthiness spell could be one that dies with him, or not. Meaning we still don't know whether the spell applied when Hela caught the hammer.
@@miriamrosemary9110 Oh no dout, also I was thinking and the spell on hela has to be a strong one and ongoing its not like hela is some weakling. To keep her trapped he must always be diverting some of his power to keep the trapping spell going.
I still believe she is just stopping it if she was catching it wouldn’t the wrist tassel on the end of the handle drop down in the shot of her stopping it the tassel is still in motion the way Thor threw it.
This would be the case of not for the detail that Thor seems to be calling back the hammer. Not only can we see Thor hold out his hand, but we can also see Mjölnir wobble in Hella's hand - this could be the first signs of her destroying the hammer or evidence that Mjölnir is trying to get back to the hand of its master
@@lampekartoffel Or it might still be flying forward, trying to get thru Hela's hand. In this case maybe Thor is just too stumbed to lower his hand.
The tassel is up because he is pulling on it to recall the hammer, if she was just stopping it the tassel would drop down also, because if he was pushing the hammer why would he also pull the tassel for it to remain in the air. The only solution is that she is strong enough to hold it and destroy it and Thor had no say in the matter.
@@donuzz2043 Are you saying he was pulling it by the tassel? When that has NEVER happened at any other time he's called the hammer back to himself?
It was up because that was the natural flight position, and she just stopped the thing right in place, with physics going right out the window.
I didn’t notice the strap before - it could only be horizontal if the was being pulled or held up by the air as the hammer travels forward. Question: is the strap part of Mjolnir as the handle or head are or not?
It was her Hammer before Thor. There was that painting of her with Mjolnir. Or it was differrent hammer? Who knows.
Yeah, but that was also before the enchantment was put onto it.
@@torazely yes, but the hammer is semi-sentient, and remembers its owners. In the comics (I know, I know, but still…) Moon Knight was able to take control of the Hammer, and also since a Black Panther is imbued with the power and memories of their ancestors, and an ancient Black Panther once wielded Mjolnir, the hammer absolutely refused to harm T’Challa
@@torazely
So the hammer went back to its first owner and since it already was magical (forged by the dwarves in a supernova and claimed to be there best creation ad that time)
/Odin spear Gungnir before aka magic\ it is magical.
@@donnafjla that's comic logic though. The movies function under slightly different rules, for instance, Hela being Odin's daughter rather than Loki's.
Same hammer but it was before Odin put the enchantment on it so at that time anyone could lift it.
I honestly hate how much of this video was a tangent instead of focusing on the real question - why was Hela able to stop/catch the hammer. Even when you do make progress in answering you fly off on some weird tangent instead of addressing the question at hand
Honsetly I agree with everything except one detail. Thor's control over lightning doesn't come from the hammer. Odin clearly states to Thor that the hammer was simply a vessel for Thor to learn how to control his power therefore Thor could always channel his lightning this way but never realised as he didn't need to. With the hammer being gone Thor realises he doesn't need the hammer to in order to use his power. The whole whoever the hammer deems worthy shall have the ower of Thor only applies to everyone except Thor because it's Thor's power. :)
I am erock 1224 in their discord and that part of the theory was that mjloner was initaly a way for him to aim his power then after the enchantment is added then the hammer holds all his power
@@ericnelson2948 Yes but even after Thor gets Mjolnir back he can still channel the lightning throughout his body
Or, Odin specifically tells Thor that he can channel lightning from his body, knowing that the enchantment has been lifted and that yielding the hammer changes nothing.
@@abdulrahmantabbaa1644 The exact quotes that supports what i said are
Thor: She’s too strong, without my hammer I can’t…
Odin: Are you Thor, the god of hammers? Hm? That hammer was to help you control your power, focus it. It was never your source of strength.
Those quotes alone proves that even odin himself knew that Mjolnir could never truly wield and keep Thor’s power from himself and it was never his intention. Showing that even after the enchantment put on Mjolnir, the hammer itself was never and could never be the source of Thor’s strength and power as it is Thor’s and Thor’s alone to freely wield.
@@Lyssa16 do we ever see thor use his powers while not in possession of the hammer and Odin is alive?
The reason she could hold mjolnir is because it is basically a wand and because she disarmed him she was actually mjolnir's true master and she broke it like harry did the alder wand in the end of the harry potter movie
This makes sense tho, like u are actually destroying ur own weapon, it makes sense,
When Hela is "holding" Mjolnir, the strap is being stretched taught, as if reaching towards Thor for help, which I think is further indication that she was in fact holding it.
Or the hammer was still trying to move forward. The strap always trails like that when it’s moving around. If it is moving forward while up against her grip, than it was not obeying her intent to still its movement. If she was holding, than it was not with a willing hammer.
@@patrickpaeztrying to move forward won't make strap straight cauze it should really move and here even after hela stopped it for more than 5 second don't make it obey to gravity make it thor màking
It call back to his hand
Alternative theory: The spell says "... if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". But Hela doesn't need to possess the power of Thor to wield the hammer. The power of Thor allows one (Thor) to command the hammer, but so does the power of Hela and the power of Odin. Hela can command the hammer like she used to do before Thor with Odin. That hasn't changed. The worthiness charm applies to only one method (Thor's) of commanding the hammer. Other methods exist.
I still think Hela is only stopping Mjolnir, not holding it (no one could hold an object with such an awkward grip), but this is a 100% more interesting theory than the obviously flawed one shown in the video. Odin and Hela may be grandfathered in, so to speak, as far as Mjolnir is concerned.
@@SgtSupaman how is the vid theory flawed
That’s a good point. Based on the spell, being worthy is a sufficient condition to yielding Mjolnir, not a necessary condition. To have been necessary, the spell would have needed to say “Only if he be worthy…”.
@@SgtSupaman if she isn’t “holding” it then how did she break it into pieces? She had to have a grip on it to put the pressure in the spots needed to break it.
If she is holding why is the strap horizontal? Wouldn't it fall down? Your answer that Thor is calling it back could explain that but if he's still trying to force it to hit her then she is only stopping it...
A quote from Odin in Ragnarok: “Are you Thor, the God of Hammers? Hmm? That hammer was to help you control your powers- focus it. It was never your source of strength.”
So, he doesn’t need the hammer to utilize his powers that he was born with. Think of it as a magic wand to focus his power through.
“Hela bent on destruction!” “A wink of an eye to you” 😂😂👏👏👏 Thank you J, I appreciate great puns🙌
True dad jokes
Gave me flashbacks to magnus chase
Carlin brothers you should make a episode on which Avatar the Last Airbender characters could wield Mijolnir.
Thor’s powers do NOT live inside the Hammer. The Hammer is merely an object for him to funnel his power through. That is specifically explained in the MCU. When Cap wields the hammer, he doesn’t steal Thor’s powers from him. Thor still has his powers. This obvious in Ragnarok and Infinity War when he continues to use his powers without the hammer. Clearly the hammer is not the source of his powers. The ONLY time the hammer truly holds Thor’s powers is when he is unworthy of them and then the powers were stripped from him by Odin himself and placed in the hammer. The hammer only becomes a source of power when someone other than Thor wields it because only Thor is innately born with his powers.
Well, as you just pointed out, the only time we see Thor actually use his powers without Mjolnir in his posession is during Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame...which, as this video speculates, all take place after Odin's death would have ended the enchantment on Mjolnir and Thor's power.
Also as you said, Odin's enchantment stripped Thor of his powers and placed them in Mjolnir.
Cap using Thor's power against Thanos wouldn't have affected the present Thor because, as explained in the video, that hammer was taken from the past when the enchantment would still be in effect. So the power Cap is using would be the power of Dark World Thor, not present Endgame Thor.
Also also, the MCU never explicitly details the relationship between Mjolnir and Thor's powers. The most we get is a sarcastic quip from Odin: "Are you Thor, god of hammers?"
i think the point is that while odin is alive, since he casted the spell saying that only the worthy could hold it, and who hold it would have lightning powers, and took thors powers, from that moment to the moment he dies, thor thunder powers came from the hammer, unless odin gives thors powers back at the ending of the first movie, which i don't remember, i only wachted it once, and it was years ago, so i am not sure, it was just what i understood (sorry if there's many mistakes, english is not my first language)
@@snuffles504 Thor's powers are only restricted by Thor himself, simply because he doesn't know how to use his own power without Mjolnir (until he has to figure it out in Ragnarok). However, Mjolnir gives anyone who wields it a copy of Thor's powers, so someone holding the hammer can do what Thor can do whether he has the hammer or not.
@@SgtSupaman do you have proof? Because he gave lots of reasons from the movie and you did not
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 , Odin literally says in the movie that Thor's powers NEVER came from the hammer. This video has nothing from the movies that actually supports their theory, they just cherry-pick things out of context to make them seem like they support it.
How about the obvious that Hela is Odin's biological daughter but not Frigga's? I don't think the MCU will go so far that Hela is the daughter of the Dark Phoenix, but perhaps her mother is some absurdly powered being that passed some of that power to Hela.
"did he know they were coming?"... Did someone miss the all-knowing part of Odin?
Hm yes an all knowing dude that somehow didn't know that the way he was treating his son would lead him down a dark path nope MCU's Odin ain't all knowing
Odin iz very wise but not omnipotent both in the MCU & traditional Norse mythology
I think you also overlooked the fact that the Hammer was Hela's at one point; as the mural Hela uncovers in the Throne Room, shows. I'd go so far as to say, the Hammer is simply a training tool and it adapts to the power of its owner, as well as the possibility that Odin used it when his Father was King, kinda like the Hammer is the Mark of the Crown Prince(ss).
The last part is wrong. 11:10 The whole point of Ragnarok was Thor learning his hammer only helped him channel the lightning that was already inside him. It didn't just appear in him because it was released from the hammer. Odin even confirms that twice when he explains what I just did, and when he says, *"Are you Thor the god of hammers?"*
But no more lightning till u got Stormbreaker made though.
This movie was supposed to be Odin Force Thor who wouldn't loose to Thanos without full Gauntlet.
Wowwww.... I totally agree...that would explain why the hammer was shaking a little while Hela was holding it..because Thor was trying to call it back to him but her grip on the hammer was so strong that he couldn't call the hammer back to him
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@@BenjiSun he does it with his supreme intellect
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I feel like maybe she’s just powerful enough to bypass odin’s spell altogether. We know from doctor strange that it’s next to impossible to break a dead mans spell, so the spell shouldn’t have died when odin did. The only reason the spell keeping Hela trapped broke was because Odin used his own life force to fuel the spell (since Hela is powerful enough to break most other spells, like the one on Mjolnir), and once it ran out Hela could break free easily
Hes definitely calling it back. The strap is pointing back to him, not dangling. This implies it is trying to return to him but can't because she is holding it.
It’s clearly Newton’s third law clearly in that scene the hammer is trying to push back but failing something you guys overlooked
Indeed; however, I would like to point out that this isn't proof that she could have wielded the hammer. Thor is the one keeping the hammer in place by trying to call it back. But Hela is able to simply keep it in place with her own strength. She certainly doesn't actually MOVE it anywhere. And the hammer doesn't stop people from GRABBING it. It stops people from MOVING it.
If you look at the scene in Endgame where Spidey catches the hammer with his web, it carries him be a use he can't control it. Using that same logic, the hammer would pull Hela if she wasn't able to hold it in place. Therefore she is clearly holding it place from going back to Thor.
@@kylecarter1599 I think that's because she's powerful enough to stop it, not that she is "worthy", or that the spell is lifted. I think the SCB were right the first time. Other people get hit with the hammer, and if they're tough enough, the hammer doesn't go through them - it stops or is deflected. Just like in Avengers 1 - the hammer is stopped by Cap's shield. It does not mean the shield is worthy. Any more than the coffee table in Avengers 2 is worthy.
I see no reason to think that the spell is lifted simply because it's the hammer from the past. Either way, Odin is still dead, so if being dead means his spell is no longer in effect, why would the "other" hammer still have the spell in effect?
Note also that the spell never says, "No one who is unworthy may lift this hammer." It says, "Whoever holds this hammer - if he be worthy - shall possess the power of Thor." So theoretically, anyone powerful enough might have been able to lift the hammer, but not being worthy, they wouldn't gain the power of Thor. Clearly, there's a bit more to it than that, because you would think that Hulk would be strong enough to lift it by himself (not being worthy, and so not gaining Thor's power), or Ironman and War Machine together might otherwise also have been able to lift it (but still not gain Thor's power). And then Vision lifted it easily - but we never see if he gained any of Thor's power.
So to make a fairly simple speculation: Perhaps any sufficiently strong Asgardian can lift it (Loki is neither especially strong, nor Asgardian), and anyone Worthy can wield it and gain the power of Thor. Note that Hela never actually wields the hammer - she simply holds it in place, like the coffee table did, or the hook on the wall in Thor 2.
After all, nothing says that Odin's spell can't be overcome by sufficient power. Even the Infinity Stones have their limits.
@@PhilBagels Or the new ruler of Asgard, and the wielder of the Odinforce, Hela is now the source of the enchantment and thus can ignore it. After her death, in Endgame, Thor is now the source of the magic, and when he brings the enchanted hammer from the past, where Odin was maintaining its enchantment, his belief that it should have that magic kept it functioning in the Odin-less future.
This man switches opinion faster than Italy switches side in world wars
The hammer being disguised as an umbrella is an Easter egg from the comics.
“Dr. Blake” always had the umbrella that he slammed down to turn into Thor
I remember the hammer being disguised as a cane and when Dr. Blake slammed the cane down he turned into Thor..... Of course that was the Thor cartoon and not the comic books so it might not have been the same.
The hammer doesn't judge good or evil , it judges who is worthy, worthy doesn't necessarily mean good ...big difference...
The phrasing of the enchantment begins with "whosoever holds this hammer..." meaning the enchantment does actually stop anyone from "holding" it. So even if the spell is still in effect, Hela could be "holding" Mjolnir, she just isn't worthy of the power. She can't move the hammer. She's just physically strong enough to stop it from moving back to Thor. That's how I read the scene. And the hammer breaks because Thor is calling it back while Hela is impeding it, basically tearing it apart from the inside.
Exactly! Odin is dead, so why would the enchantment still be in effect on the "other" hammer? This theory is needlessly complicated, and seems to rely on the false idea that Thor needs his hammer to make the lightning.
Hela is hella powerful. There are limits to even Odin's spell. There's no reason to think that the spell can't be overcome by enough raw power.
If I recall correctly, the cracks on Mjolnir spread from underneath Hela's grip. This strongly implies that she actively crushes it.
EDIT: just watched the clip. It's very obvious that Hela actively crushed Mjolnir in her grip.
@@snuffles504 my idea is more that Thor pulling it back to him weakened it, allowing her to crush it. She probably could have still destroyed it, but Thor literally says earlier in the film "nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand," setting up it's destruction later in the film.
@Wech31 comic mjolnir is different from MCU mjolnir,in the comics,when unworthy people try to lift it,it grows in mass,but the hulk could simply because he was gaining strength faster than the hammer was gaining mass,so he could lift it,but the MCU one outright rejects anyone unworthy,thats the jist of it
@@PhilBagels Dr Strange pointed out that undoing the spell of a dead man would be found difficult meaning that spells continue after death no?
Since mjulnior is bent on Odin’s view of worthy my thought is he thinks hella is worthy.
Maybe Hela's actions are what helps to bring Ragnarok. So the hammer deems her worthy because she is on the inevitable path which Thor is trying to prevent.
So the hammer is a member of the TVA?.... O.O
Mjolnir created the TVA
I think the Mjolnir judges a person based on if they're pure of heart and not if their path leads to a positive outcome.
That's just my opinion.
MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, THOUGH.
I believe that wasn't destined to happen. That god was the fail safe when Hela returned. Odin put that in his head
@@justinstricklin7671 Care to clarify on this "fail safe" that you speak of?
I'm not famiar with that.
11:06 Thor’s power existed within himself the whole time. He just didn’t know it until he had that experience with Odin’s spirit later in the movie. When Thor says he can’t defeat Hela because he doesn’t have his hammer, Odin says, "Are you Thor, the god of hammers?" And then he tells Thor the hammer was never the source of his power. Mjölnir was only meant to help him focus his power that came from within.
Just like how in Skyrim or Dragon Age we have mages who use staffs- they can cast magic WITH OR WITHOUT a staff, just having and using a staff makes it easier to control and direct where they want the magic to go.
Same with Stormbreaker/Mjolnir and Thor- he can create the lightning all on his own as we've seen, just using those tools makes it easier to direct and gives him another blunt object- or in Stormbreaker's case, axe- to hit enemies with.
dude you are so wrong. In ragnarok, when thor and hela meet in asgard, he literally says, Father told you you were worthy, same to me. that means both were worthy.
Black widow review better be coming on Thursday
I’ve been waiting for it all weekend long since I saw the movie on Friday! So I was kinda disappointed it wasn’t today’s video.😭😭
So was I the movie was amazing
Hela was the original user of the hammer. When you see the mural of her and Odin she is holding it
I'm still on the side that Hela is stopping the hammer with brute power alone, just from the sound of the hammer makes it sound like the hammer wishes to fly through her rather than stopping.
Right. Notice how Cap's shield stopped the hammer in Avengers. Odin's spell was still in effect. And the shield is not worthy.
Just like Thanos' critters (whatever they were called) could eventually push through the force field in Wakanda, Hela had enough raw power to work against Odin's spell.
7:46 If that where the case, Loki could've lifted it too, but we see them fail at that.
I dunno, I still think she's stopping the hammer. Yes, Thor is definitely trying to pull the hammer back but that doesn't mean she caught the hammer itself, but that she simply grabs onto the end of it AFTER she stops it. Just because she grabs it doesn't mean she's holding it. If she grips the end just as Thor is trying to pull it back, then it would naturally stay in place since she's stronger than him.
The important part here is that, despite being stronger than Thor, she does not MOVE the hammer at all. She just keeps it in place as she destroys it.
Here's what I think. Thor throws the hammer, Hela stops it. Her arm even moves back as she stops it. But then Thor tries to call it back. The hammer begins to move back toward Thor, but Hela extends her arm to go with it, and gets a solid grip on the end of it. And there it hangs. Rather than release the hammer and allow Thor to regain it, she simply destroys it there. Whereas if she were actually able to wield the hammer herself, I don't know why she wouldn't demonstrate her superiority by moving it against his will, which seems more in line with her character imo.
Agreed. This theory is too convoluted. Why would the spell be lifted from one hammer, but not the other? Odin is dead at the time. Just because Odin cast a spell doesn't mean that enough raw power can't have an effect against it. And Hela is hella powerful! SCB had it right the first time.
She wasn't holding it she was just stopping it from returning to Thors hand
She caught the hammer, she didn't wield it. Whether it was hers or not before Thor (even if it was I doubt it had the worthy enchantment, I think Odin put that in after the fact)it doesnt really matter, because she wasn't holding it by the handle and wielding it, she was just holding back its force. Thor has used Mjolnir's magical "weight" before against enemies to immobilize them, but that just goes to show that Hela was his strongest enemy to date as her own power matched or exceeded Mjolnir's force. That's why it was also shaking and struggling against her in her hand. It did not calmly surrender to her like Vision and Cap. I feel like this was a straightforward inference during the movie, not sure why people are so confused.
This! Cause if she was "in possession" of the hammer I don't think Thor could try and summon it back.
Exactly! This is a much simpler and more obvious explanation. Ockham's Razor. The theory presented is way too complicated and makes some unfounded assumptions. All powers have limits. Mjolnir's power has limits. Odin's spell has limits. Hela is just powerful enough to exceed those limits. That's all.
@@PhilBagels This is a theory for the sake of a theory so they can make a video for tuesday. Seems they keep on going down the rabbit's hole for theories of late so they can just come up with something. Instead of taking time and making an actual video and topic interesting.
Exactly....
My guess was that she was just stronger than the ideals that powered the hammer.
When are you guys going to do a Black Widow spoiler review
Today
I always thought that she caught it because when she catches it, the handle strap is pointing straight like Thor is trying to call it back, especially since his hand is still outstretched when she is holding it. I always thought she had caught it and was holding it from returning to Thor. Also earlier in the movie he says nothing will stop my hammer from returning to his hand, and Then in this scene, he says " It's...not... possible" further implying that she was holding it and he was trying to call it back but she was stronger. Whether that makes her Worthy or not, I'm not sure, but this is just my opinion.
But this theory: What if Hela...
Is an elevator!?!?!
A Helavator.
#MakeTheHelavatorHappen
@Griphook Flitwick Helavator's not worthy.
I would still go upp
#MakeTheHelavatorHappen
She once owned Thor’s hammer ! Watch the story told by hela in the throne room.
This theory seems fine. Do the AC/DC song when Ironman executes like 6 terrorists in Ironman 1.
J just talking while I'm imagining him getting up halfway thru a sentence moving his chair and resuming his conversation.
Obviously Life Is A Highway would make that scene a lot better.
Loving you would’ve made it better
@@sonnyfox8407 That is a really good one
Unstoppable would fit.
@@Nursewifemomlife True True
my thoughts exactly
“Odin sparkles to death”….got another favorite CarlinBrothers quote 😂😂
“You can’t remove a dead man’s spell” his powers were holding her in. When he died his powers did also. Therefore the spell is still active
"Everyone" should be able to hold the hammer. Odin's enchantment only imbibes in the holder the powers of Thor be he worthy and does not actually prevent people from picking it up. Therefore anyone with superhuman strength should be able to hold the hammer but wouldn't be able to channel lightening
Yes. If anyone were to re-do Thor this should be the case. Makes things a lot easier.
If anyone with super human strength is able to lift the hammer, then why couldn't hulk lift it?
I think its just because hela is related directly to Odin. Since Loki was adopted he wasn't worthy so it makes sense the worthiness could partly he hereditary
what about cap??
@@neverbehatin by partly I meant that genetics are one of the ways to be worthy. Cap and vision are mentally worthy at the times they've lifted mjolnir
I cant remember the other youtuber that did a vid on this recently, something you didnt mention is not only is Thor holding his hand out, the strap on Mjolnir is straining toward him.
Keep up the great content guys 😀👍
But if the hammer didn’t have the spell cast by Odín anymore when it is destroyed, then why does lightning come from the hammer when it breaks. In Ragnarok when Thor talks to Odín. Odín says “are you the god of hammers, that hammer was there only to focus your powers”. That implies that the lightning Thor summons is from within himself, not from the hammer. If the hammer doesn’t have the spell that gives the user Thor’s powers, then why does lightning explode out of it. It doesn’t make scene
9:00 also small detail but to also prove that Thor is calling mjolnir back is that the strap is parallel to the ground so gravity isn’t acting on it (if Thor wasn’t calling it back it would be pointing down like in the trailer)
Question can Heimdall lift the hammer?
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
That doesn't say that nobody can hold the hammer, it just says that if you are worthy you will get the power of Thor when you hold it. Perhaps she is not trying to possess the power of Thor, but rather holding it just for the purpose of destroying it.
have you seen any thor movie.......
Some spells don't die with the caster!
Whether this theory is true, depends on the rules of Odin's spell on the hammer.
As Doctor Strange says in Infinity War, "You'll find removing a dead man's spell troublesome." So the question is, which type of spell did Odin use? So it could still be either option! Hela impeding the hammer, or catching it.
Worthiness does not equal goodness. Hydra-Cap, Doctor Doom, and Ragnorak (Thor's clone during Civil War [the...the comic book version]) have all wielded it. It's like the pure of heart trope in stories where the villain always shocks the protagonist by proving that having a heart of PURE evil works just as well as a heart of pure good when MacGuffin'ing the MacGuffin.
Oden also told thor he didnt need the hammer for his power it was just a way to focus his power.
J:"What if they didn't get there right then?" Doctor Strange: "Am I and my abilities a JOKE to you?"
Odin: “Are you Thor, the God of hammers…?”
SCB: “Nah the hammer wields all of Thor’s power”.
Come on guys… Odin literally explains in Ragnorok TO Thor that his powers are not solely because of Mjolnir, but was only a way for him to safely channel his powers through Mjolnir. Thor’s powers are Thor’s alone. 😊
And that’s why anyone who DOES wield it, will momentarily posses the power of THOR.
@Alex Barnes 🤣
There are so many things missed here but still a great video. Always enjoy the content
I disagree. Look at the wrist strap in that scene. It's tought, and the hammer is shaking, as if trying to move, but is being stopped. I think the reason his arm is still out is because in his disbelief he hasn't put it down yet. So, I think she is just stopping it, and crushes it because shes just strong.
Thor's muscles were tensing though, as if he was straining to pull the hammer back
@@Leveler02 maaannnn.. Look at the man's arms.... If I was that jacked it'd be shaking too... But I digress. That is a valid point. I still stand by mine though lol
She is 100% NOT wielding the hammer... there is this thing called a handle.
Also, the lightning is in him, not the hammer.
I still think its just force, is like a couple of walls could retain the hammer
Yeah, we see in virtually every film that the floor can retain the hammer. And ofc there is the famous elevator speculation in Age of Ultron. I also think that's why Vision could lift the hammer, but never used any of Thor's powers like we see Cap use.
I don't think all of Odin's spells would fail upon his death. The hammer enchantment was a weaker effect of his, but the Hela prison was something so powerful he had to keep it constantly going with his own life force. That's why she was freed when he died, b/c she's basically just as powerful as he was. And since she is, she was able to easily overpower the hammer enchantment.
If all Odin's spells were tied to his life, it wouldn't make sense to say that one hammer in present day lost the enchantment, but another retains it. Once you start getting wibbly wobbly, you'd have to explain which Odin's life is maintaining the hammer. The one in 2012 or the (dead) one in present day. Bringing the hammer through time would take it away from it's (supposed) power source.
That's why it makes more sense to say the hammer was still enchanted, and she was just that powerful to hold it anyway.
The one thing disproving Hela catching the hammer vs just stopping it, is how it’s still vibrating like it’s still being thrown. Otherwise it would be a plausible idea
5:13 if you have ever seen the old Thor cartoon, he disguise his hammer as an umbrella. I think it’s just a callback to his old past
I think that since Odin was the one who put the “curse” on Mjonler that who ever holds this hammer will be worthy. Since Odin had died the “curse” on the hammer was removed this hela was able to hold it. (It’s just an idea though )
That's the theory presented. But Odin has died by _Endgame,_ when Cap catches and wields the hammer. The hammer being from a different timeline shouldn't matter. Unless the spell is broken by Odin dying, not the fact that he's no longer alive.
The thor umbrella is a callback to the comics where thor had a secret identity like superman does.
I just assumed that the enchantment that Odin put on the hammer is limited in strength and Hela is stronger then Odin so the enchantment wouldn't apply to her since she's stronger then the enchantment on the hammer. Also if we apply comics logic you don't need to be a good person to lift the hammer so she could just be worthy which I would be fine with.
5:40 you can clearly see that the strap-thingy is floating horizontally and not quite obeying gravity. Hela is holding back the hammer against it's wishes since it's trying to go back to Thor but it can't. It's flying cuz she's not welding it (holding it by its handle and stuff) but just holding it so that it won't go back to Thor
Oh, Loki being worthy is basically confirmed.
Sylvie tells NY Loki that he has to enchant with her. NY Loki says he can’t. Sylvie says he can because they’re the same.
Which means all of them are the same. Which means that if Boastful Loki can wield it then any of them can
J: I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong.
Me, who watches J vs Ben: ...you sure?
In the norse mythology Hela isn't Thor's sister, she is actually Loki's daughter.
And she has two lovely siblings, Fenrir the wolf, and the world serpent (Jörmungandr). Three lovely children who Loki was pregnant. Confused yet?
Yeah Norse mythology is as weird as any other.
Loki had many other children, but I only know one more, an eight-legged horse Oden later used as transportation.
Yeah, and wasn't it kinda Odin's fault Ragnarok happened?
@@lucyevans9448 Well Odin vitness the prophecy of them three bringing Ragnarök and killing him, so yes and no.
Maybe if he didn't put Hela in charge over the dead, throw the world serpent in the ocean so it grew so huge, and lost the trust of Fenrir by chaining him up, Ragnarök wouldn't have happened.
No, the hammer was just following orders by BOTH owners*.
Anyone else making this statement: it was Hela before thor so it makes sense...
Supercarlinbrothers being out a video talkjng about it
Me: ...I'm intruged
Well... the problem with it being Hela's first is that Thor also owned the hammer before the enchantment and it didn't come back to him when he wasn't worthy
I think Hela was only stopping the hammer in it’s path because you can see by the way the leather part at the end of the hammer was moving that it was still going forward.
I’m literally watching Thor ragnarok right now
AWESOME!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers ye
So, it was either a short term spoiler or a question you were asking yourself being answered.
The song “Wait for It” from Hamilton, with Thanos singing, would a great backdrop for Marvel’s “I am inevitable” scene.
You can see by the way the leather loop is sticking straight out it is still “in flight” and her arm shakes like she is pushing on it. Also if she could hold it, the directors would have made it more noticeable to point out that she could hold the hammer. She would have caught it and mocked Thor by playing with it before she destroyed it.
Thor disguising the hammer as an umbrella calls back to when Thor was disguised as a human doctor who walked with a cane in the comics.
I'm sorry: Odin's spell is important but not for the reason you think. Odin places the spell on who he deems worthy. If someone is worthy from Odins POV then they will be able to left it. If not they won't. Also, any other person able to hold the hammer is able to hold it steady while Hela still has it vibrating. She's definitely impeding it not holding it. It's kind of like catching a football or baseball, that's just how you're going to instinctively hold it. The spell may have broken but she's not catching it in that moment
Thor was pulling it, the same time Hella was grabbing hold of it. That's probably why it was vibrating. Notice in the shown clip, even Thor's raised arm was also vibrating?
With the enchantment gone, Mjolnir's sentience came back and remembered Hella, who was its past owner.
Actually Hella is the creator of the hammer!!! She is the goddess of death and she can handle the star with her body with zero problems. And the next is that the creation cant kill the creator.
Hela does not really hold it. She stops it and the reason why she could hold it in the old painting is because the worthiness aspect of the hammer does not come into effect until Odin banished Thor.
I smashed the like button for the pun alone! Thanks for the energy fella!
Ok he’s gone to school for punch line delivery!
I always thought bc it belonged to her before Thor
video starts at 7:10
It’s a nice theory man but it was revealed in something (I forgot whether it was the director or not ) but when they moved to Midgard they weren’t able too pick the shards up that were left from the hammer
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I actually thought the same as J but now I’m totally on board with this theory as it explains Cap using lighting and Thor’s powers and makes total sense. Good vid boys
With the preamble, I was actually down here in the comments writing out that I believed people were overcomplicating the matter of Worthy or not given Odin's death had just dropped one of his other enchantments and was about to post it when you got round to stating that was this exact theory.
So, I agree completely.
The thing is Mjolnir is sentient, Hela was its original owner. Mjolnir seems a bit confused and sort of wants to go back to Thor but also missed Hela. Then, while Mjolnir is distracted, she destroys it.
5:18
Well, he's known as "the god of thunder" but his full godly domain is rain, which includes storms, lightning, and thunder alongside any other kind of rain
imagine ben and j moving their chair from one side of the frame to another between cuts