One problem. In actual mythology she was the daughter of Loki and not Odin. Hela's namesake comes from Hel she presides over the underworld a realm of the same name.
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 it's a minor problem but the MCU often departs from the comics (where she was also Loki's daughter) let alone original mythology.
One thing I feel is missing from this scene is when Thor reacts to Hela catching Mjolnir with, “Impossible!” and Hela responding with, “Darling, you have no idea what’s possible!”
Im glad they didnt add it because why would an ancient goddess from Midgard use the word "darling". They speak in an archaic way, that word's too modern.
@@hardcandy9880 Darling has been a world for centuries, and has recognizable predecessors for a millenium. You can see that instantly with a google search from multiple sources.
0:51 The way he says this is so layered. It adds more character to Odin; proud of his son yet regretful that he shares his flaws. But I think it’s a moment that would mean a lot to Loki’s development if it was kept, since Odin is taking some responsibility as a parent for Loki’s shortcomings.
@@davidcaro8217 While she indeed looked great, they padded her outfit. They do most of the time. Like Michelle Pfeiffer and Ann Hathaway when they did Catwoman, etc.
I overall preferred what we got, but I wish they had kept the following elements: -Odin's words explicitly acknowledging Loki as a son -Odin's transferring of his power to Thor -Loki's more visceral reaction to Odin dying
Whilst I agree, I don't think it's the right time for Thor to have the power of Odin. Specially since he would've gone to sakar and been at the mercy of a small electric device which is already hard to believe stuns a thunder god. Plus they haven't explained or gone into the depths of Odin's power the way I've heard it exist in the comics, perhaps that's coming later. Now that Thor realises he isn't just powerful because of his weapon it'll hopefully be better too.
@@TenguXil Marvel has actually announced a Thor 5 ("Godfall") coming in 2027, but we barely know anything about it yet and apparently neither do they. Evidently we'll have Loki at least one more time, though his story looks pretty complete as is; and maybe we can round out some of these lingering bits of lore with Thor.
@@micmacha with the current state of marvel we can only hope they get to that point and actually do it some justice. Love and thunder really needed a toning down on the comedy sides in my opinion, though I'm not sure what else they can do for him. They've a shopping list of things he's lost already, perhaps he needs an arc where he's finally ready to take the mantle of king and protect the realms. He failed to do that when Thanos snapped which irked me, maybe the entity that became the kid has some intentions or it'll be to do with eternals/celestials. Who knows :D
Yeah, I also preferred the version that was used but I wish they kept or added more emotion from both when Odin passed on. Idk, maybe they were just having trouble processing it and thus, didn't hardly react that much, especially Loki.
Odin did accept Loki as his son in the version we got in the movie because he said "My SONS..." and when he does the look on Loki's face really got to me!
@@Trig0r not at all. It’s now my favorite look for her. She’s already beautiful. Yet this look along with her acting chops elevates her appearance 10 fold.
@coralice6263Trailer is usually released when the movie is basically 95% finished, they just need to make finishing touches. Definitely not recycle an entire scene.
@@potatoboy549 I know after a number of MCU releases they shot different versions of certain scenes so that even the actors wouldn't know which version of that scene would make it into theaters as to help prevent spoilers on specific, important events. I imagine this is one of them.
this scene makes so much more sense to me than what they put in the movie: 1) I never liked the fact that Odin just died and faded away (ala Yoda)... and also that Thor and Loki just happened to arrive there at the exact moment when his life was coming to an end............... Hela killing Odin seems more realistic and adds so much more to the Hela character. 2) Odin passing on his powers to Thor clears up a big plot hole in the MCU... it explains how Thor is so much more powerful in Ragnarok than in the previous movies. one thing that doesn't change is the fact that Cate Blanchett was fantastic as Hela... too bad we only got her for one movie
One thing, you can easily explain Thor and Loki showing up at the right moment as Odin holding on to life so they can find him, and once they did he allowed himself to pass on.
Points taking, but it wouldn't have sir well with the movie. The acting, comparing to the original one was inferno. The dialogues felt like it was written by amateurs. No, matter how good an actor is, if the lines are bad, they can't make it better.
@@rexefe559 Yeah, thank god they removed this scene, the dialog is so unnatural and awkward. They stumble across their father who's apparently crazy like an escaped mental patient now and then they just stand there quietly listening to him rambling on... Him just dying and fading away was done well in the movie but they needed to add a better back story like him passing his powers on to thor before randomly turning into dust because apparently gods just do that when they reach "old age" even though we didn't have any hints in any previous movie that he was reaching the end. Horrible way to convey it to the audience with just "and then he turned to dust because reasons...", they should've encountered hela first, get their butts whooped by her, mjolnir breaks, and then odin shows up at last minute to save them and take them somewhere safe after getting mortally wounded in the process. Then they can have the emotional scene of him passing his powers on to thor because he has to complete the prophecy where thor needs to have odins remaining power to even stand a chance. We get to have a short but badass scene of odin vs hela before he warps them to the grassy cliff and explains who hela is and what needs to be done and then the rest of the movie can continue like normal, she shows up, they warp to asgard, etc...
Couldn't we get Hela again somehow? Goddess of Death? I'm not a comics guy but I feel like and iirc she can always come back after being in Hel for a while right?
Unpopular opinion: Actually this version shows a different aspect of Odin which is kinda good as we never pictured him that way. Also we get to see a tad more Loki (and his reaction when Odin died is better here.)
Nah fr tho, the one in the movie was better, it was more emotional and built a connection to the audience. It’s like the director actually cared about the fans
@@mrsiracha7717 No it wasn't, the crap in original was another time for Odious Odin to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING HE DID. It was NOT emotional AT ALL. It was a trickle of sparkle dust into the atmosphere, which is FAR more then he deserved. What connection, stooge? The one where Odin IS ONLY EVER ADDRESSING Thor, Loki might as well not be there. It's almost like the director still doesn't understand these characters, and you clearly didn't watch the movie so what would you know about it?!
Oh my dear God Anthony Hopkins is great in every single scene he is in. This must have been monstrous for the editor and director to have to decide. His other seen when he became Golden Light was just delicious this man is a National Treasure of performance art.
I like the beginning part. It shows Loki did put his father away but he never meant to actually harm him. If it was them finding him but then cutting to the scene at the peak I'd think it would work
Some things are better here, some things are better with the final release. If they combine the two, it could be perfect. But if they replace one with other, I won't complain. I like the most is when Odin met Hela and they exchanged few words that speak volumes. What i dislike? Odin gutted down like some trivial character. He deserved that peaceful death we get in the final release.
The director didnt go for this homeless person route because they realized he shluld have a more dignified scene. Though I think Hela killing him would have set her up as a real threat that left a consequence in MCU. In the final release, she was awesome, but she didnt so as much.
@@saquistthe difference between this movie and L&T is that he tried to make L&T a more funnier movie and he knew it was bad. But with ragnarok he balanced out the serious and comedic elements. Although this deleted scene shows hela and Odin interacting, I liked the ragnarok death scene way better because it gave more of a emotional depth for both Thor and Loki once they see Odin dissolve
Asgardians become more powerful after getting old. That means Odin was most powerful then. So the original scene makes more sense where he wasn't murdered but he accepted the time of departure and he passed on the throne to his sons. But yeah the original scene should have been more detailed.
It's good this version got cut because the dialog is awkward as hell but they really needed to add more of a back story to the original scene instead of just slapping the audience with "and then he died and turned to dust because reasons..." even though there wasn't any hint he was reaching "old age" near the end of his lifespan and not even so much of a hint that gods could even die of "old age" to begin with. They need to fix the dialog in this scene, have loki/thor confront hela first where mjorlnir breaks and they get their asses whooped and then odin appears out of nowhere, nearly goes toe to toe with hela before grabbing thor/loki and fleeing after getting mortally wounded. Odin could then give us a backstory of who hela is, explain to thor that he needs to fulfill the prophecy but none of them are strong enough unless odin gives his powers to thor sacrificing himself, and then we can get the whole emotional scene where he turns to dust and an actual explanation of why and the movie goes on as normal. Far better than just "What the hell, why'd he turn to dust??" and "Gods just do that, apparently..."
Odin actually giving Thor his King Power (as in, the Odinforce) makes every other scene where a character makes a vague reference to Thor's new found power more sensible. Every spike in power Thor has relates to him having a vision of his father, Valkyrie after seeing Thor's fight with the Hulk says him and Hela get their power from Asgard and so on. It's kinda weird we didn't get something akin to this more visible transference of power, but I suppose in the comics when the same happens Odin just dies and Thor suddenly has his powers too.
The Odin Force passed to Hela, that is why she was a Hella Badass. Probably why they removed the kingly power transfer in the theatrical version, because it might have been confusing as to why Thor wasn't OP.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237- Ok. I see. Odin groomed Hela into a warrior, not a warlord. She got bloodthirsty. “A wise king never seeks out war, but must always be ready for it”.
I kinda thought that this was the reason it was recut. If this scene was included Thor would never have wondered about his father’s past when he saw the murals, etc
I like the confrontation scene especially Hela killing Odin because it really sets up a threat who did something impactful. But not a fan of what they did to Odin here. The director decided to give him a more dignified destination and it was right because this would be heartbreaking.
Odin has agency and a life in this scene. The detached,watching-from-afar routine of the original release makes Odin more of an object in this film. This is my favorite scene of this production
I wish we combined elements from this scene and the one we got. I liked that his death was what led to Hela being released instead of her just breaking out. But I also would have liked the interaction between Odin and Hela, perhaps he senses his time draws near and decides to pay her a visit to try to convince her once she is free to give up her cruelty and stand by his two sons. I would have liked him to grant Thor his power just before he fades away. And I would have liked Loki to have a more nuanced reaction to Odin's death. I still liked that he gently passed on and that it didn't end with homeless Odin in an alleyway.
his death led to her release. And he died because he simply disintegrated into light. The version that was released is no good. It's a shame that such a wonderful film was closed. And what potential there was, Michael Straczynski participated in the script of the first torus.
Both versions of this scene explains more than the other. This version explains Ragnarok better (barely foreshadowed in the original outside of the title and Surtur being immediately defeated) and the official version explains Hela is their sister.
2:13: Easter eggs also got cut. The band posters on the wall are "Journey into Mystery" (the comic series where Thor first came from) and "Thunder Love" (perhaps the working title of Thor 4 at the time?).
Never knew this existed, but now seeing it reminds of of the first teaser trailer i seen of ragnarok. Hella breaking thors hammer in a alleyway, i remember seeing that clip and was so confused when it was somewhere else.
What this really shows is that when Frigga died, Odins heart broke, and he didn't want to carry on! The single greatest being in our galaxy kept away Thanos, Ego etc
This version shows how much more of a threat hela is (with HOW MUCH she is shown already in the final version with destroying mjolnir) than the final version, simply because she barely spoke any word and act menacingly The final ver could've done the same by removing the exchange between thor and hela when she catched mjolnir
He pointed out all the bad qualities of Loki. Instead of accepting and empowering Loki, Odin continues to treat him like a second-class child. "MY SON" feels more like a term of control rather than love.
@@blusafe1I find it as Odin apologizing to Loki. To be fair, Loki caused a lot of shit for Odin and Asgard, so if he throws a few digs here and there then yeah it’s warranted. But he’s basically saying that he didn’t do enough to raise him right, so that’s why he said he failed them. He’s also trying to hammer it down Loki’s mind that Odin sees him as a son, and not as a means to bring about peace towards the Jotunn
I think this was better scene than what we got in the film? I’ve seen other versions including variation on this one but Odin dies like in the film but in the ally.
the one in the movie is more beautiful to watch, but for some reason I find this version more appropriate, more real-life gritty, because often its when we / someone we know hit rock bottom that they realize the life lessons and appreciate their blessings. you can see a sampling of these with the wonderfully acted scenes between Chris, Tom and Sir Anthony. being in a stinky alley doesn't mask the fact that in the end, Odin becomes human and fully realizes what it's like, why both Thor and Loki has affinity for Midgard. remember Odin was so condescending of humans in Thor2, I'm pretty sure there were more Odin scenes as an old man around Earth, would've loved to have seen that so that he would at least have a character arc.
@@cynicaldrummer286 yeah... Plus i think odin would survive that... Leading to him helping thor defeat hela... Asgard defending the space stone from thanos
Honestly while this is a little better than the film version, the whole sequence needed a strong re-write. Thor's mother dying was such a powerful scene, while this...this just felt like...well nothing. I wasn't sad, i wasn't emotional, i didn't care. The lack luster sets, dialog, and music was all missing, everything Thors mother had
@@bartholomew1096 Yeah, right. So, my brother's blue eyes must have been inherited from my next door neighbor's mother's blue eyes who is not related to my brother. 🙄
@@trentmonaghan179I mean that would be scuffed but it’s possible, though won’t explain how. Though in the case of Loki and Odin, he would pick up personality traits growing up around him. As for physical, since his human like form is one crafted by Odin it probably does look something like him to make it more effective at saying they are family. Though that can only go so far unless Loki tried to look like or emulate his father so, yeah any similarities between Odin and Loki are inherited from Odin
So THIS is the scene they used in the teaser trailer! Very interesting, also judging from how polished the effect were in the trailer they had it in consideration until the very end, or maybe they used it as decoy, something like they did in the Infinity War trailer. Either way, it’s cool to see an alternative version, this definitely has a few elements that I prefer over the final one
2:40 Look at the back on the wall the posters say “Thunder love” I don’t know if it was a Easter egg to the next movie which is Love and Thunder but it’s pretty cool
I like how the dramatic black makeup around the eyes gave her this soul-piercing death stare 4:08. That contrast, they should've kept. Cate Blanchett KILLED this role!
This scene was deleted because it doesn't make sense for the following reasons: 1-Hela couldn't escape her banishment while Odin is still alive since it was his life that was keeping her locked away in the first place. 2-Hela couldn't possibly kill Odin because he's far more powerful than her considering he defeated her when she was at full power when he banished her. In fact, Odin was the only being aside from Surtur who can defeat Hela at all
The biggest reason this scene was deleted was because one of the most powerful beings in the known universe is now an insane, dirty street urchin collecting junk. It's on the record they wanted a more dignified ending for Odin.
This was just way better than the scene in Norway (or wherever it was). It fit the characters better, the location made more sense, and the characterizations were more consistent. It only needed some refining and a little more editing.
Imagine a random homeless person trying too rob Odin and he just sends them flying across the city and he’s confused how he was even strong enough to do it
Odin having a dignified, peaceful and respectful send off and goodbye with his children I believe is a vast improvement over this. Having a bumbling senile Odin played almost for comedy being immediately followed up by his murder is just tonally confusing and weird.
Can't remember where I saw this but in some sort of screening a lot of people apparently felt the same. It just didn't seem plausible that a being as powerful as Odin could be so easily reduced to a powerless slightly demented bum. Hence the change.
This scene would’ve been great in the movie, but it would’ve heavily altered Thor’s visions of Odin when he was fighting the hulk and his melee with Hela. Instead of a groomed, earthly Odin found on Norway (ironically where Norse mythology traces back to btw) we would’ve had a broken, deranged man gratuitously advising Thor to awaken his true power from within.
i can see why this wasn't used since it would be a plot hole, Dr. Strange is in the area, it also would be in humane for strange not to appear. since he could detect them.
the finished version is much better. Odin deserved a better and more dignified death. The more I rewatch this movie in the shadow of Love and Thunder the more I realize that the editors saved Ragnarok from Taika's worst instincts
So this is the Hela crushing Mjolnir scene we saw on the trailer but not included (or the setting changed, greenery instead of street alley) on the theatrical version
The scene we got was still cool and awesome but this delated scene hits hard but still the part where Odin died in the og scene was still… just heartwarming
What really irked me about this scene was the part where Odin explains to Loki that he inherited certain traits from him even though Loki is not Asgardian but a Frost Giant's child. This scene is just as powerful as the one we got in the movie - but Odin never transferred his power to Thor in that scene like in this one, it would have made more sense. I LOVE Cate Blanchet as Hela.
Also this scene sets up hela as an immediate threat, it explicitly shows Odin claiming Loki as his son, but I would have merged in the scene of the brothers talking to hela when she first arrived.
My feeling was that Odin raised Loki to appreciate what Asgard had to offer so that when he came into his inheritance to rule Jotunheim, he would make it a better place. I think he turned blue in the film where he discovers his history, but I didn't see a blue version of him in _Loki_ season 1.
@@sandal_thong8631 Lmao! You're delulu. Loki was STOLEN so his home planet would never have another King. Odin STOLE EVERY SOURCE OF POWER THAT HE GOT HIS GRUBBY HANDS ON. What's your point about Loki turning blue? That only happens at certain points. You clearly don't understand these characters.
No it’s a bit hammered with exposition. There’s not enough setup for Odin. The replacement scene shifted the attention away from Odin so they didn’t have to explain him. Increases the pacing, removed the floaty.
Agreed. This could have added one or two stars to many reviews of the movie. The movie needed a gritty, serious scene to balance out some of the silliness and this would have done the trick.
I remember the first trailer I saw with Hela in the alleyway. Also saw promo shots of Sir Anthony Hopkins as a homeless man. When I saw the movie, put it together that they reshot scenes. I like some elements of this, but overall, I think the new Asgard scene fit better. Wondered what the original scene was like. Now I know.
The theatrical version we got was better. This scene was originally in the trailers, I remember seeing Hela in a city ally way and was always confused when she was in a grassy field instead. But having a worthy send off for a character like Odin dying in New Asgard and Hela's introduction being released from prison after his death made more sense.
Even you could tell it was green screened, I prefer the version in the film in Norway. Felt much more emotional and less rushed compared to this actually.
I actually like this scene I like how they decided to do it in the movie too I think if they combined them in the right way it would have been much better
This version shows just how brutal and malevolent Hela is from the get-go. No point in even trying to “come to some arrangement.”
There's no way Loki could've known that. But he tried and established it didn't work
Put a chick in it, and make her gay! That's this whole movie.
One problem. In actual mythology she was the daughter of Loki and not Odin. Hela's namesake comes from Hel she presides over the underworld a realm of the same name.
her father created her to be that way and when it no longer suited him, he cast her out...he's the real piece of shit, not Hela
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 it's a minor problem but the MCU often departs from the comics (where she was also Loki's daughter) let alone original mythology.
Odin looks like Thor from Endgame
Yeah
Exactly, it seems in Endgame, Thor "inherited" his father look if this scene was in Ragnarok.
It was inevitable lol
Like father, like son.
nd thor was wearing same dress as odins in endgame
One thing I feel is missing from this scene is when Thor reacts to Hela catching Mjolnir with, “Impossible!” and Hela responding with, “Darling, you have no idea what’s possible!”
@Chillbillvol2 the thing is, those were REALLY amazing lines! They added to the scene!
Thor really has no idea what’s possible:
Im glad they didnt add it because why would an ancient goddess from Midgard use the word "darling". They speak in an archaic way, that word's too modern.
She’s being condescending. She has absolutely no affection for Thor.
@@hardcandy9880 Darling has been a world for centuries, and has recognizable predecessors for a millenium. You can see that instantly with a google search from multiple sources.
0:51 The way he says this is so layered. It adds more character to Odin; proud of his son yet regretful that he shares his flaws. But I think it’s a moment that would mean a lot to Loki’s development if it was kept, since Odin is taking some responsibility as a parent for Loki’s shortcomings.
Cate Blanchet was absolutely stunning in this portrayal.
Indeed! And nice outfit for the part; exemplifies her physique!
@@davidcaro8217 While she indeed looked great, they padded her outfit. They do most of the time. Like Michelle Pfeiffer and Ann Hathaway when they did Catwoman, etc.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 likely the truth
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I overall preferred what we got, but I wish they had kept the following elements:
-Odin's words explicitly acknowledging Loki as a son
-Odin's transferring of his power to Thor
-Loki's more visceral reaction to Odin dying
Whilst I agree, I don't think it's the right time for Thor to have the power of Odin.
Specially since he would've gone to sakar and been at the mercy of a small electric device which is already hard to believe stuns a thunder god.
Plus they haven't explained or gone into the depths of Odin's power the way I've heard it exist in the comics, perhaps that's coming later.
Now that Thor realises he isn't just powerful because of his weapon it'll hopefully be better too.
@@TenguXil Marvel has actually announced a Thor 5 ("Godfall") coming in 2027, but we barely know anything about it yet and apparently neither do they. Evidently we'll have Loki at least one more time, though his story looks pretty complete as is; and maybe we can round out some of these lingering bits of lore with Thor.
@@micmacha with the current state of marvel we can only hope they get to that point and actually do it some justice.
Love and thunder really needed a toning down on the comedy sides in my opinion, though I'm not sure what else they can do for him.
They've a shopping list of things he's lost already, perhaps he needs an arc where he's finally ready to take the mantle of king and protect the realms.
He failed to do that when Thanos snapped which irked me, maybe the entity that became the kid has some intentions or it'll be to do with eternals/celestials.
Who knows :D
Yeah, I also preferred the version that was used but I wish they kept or added more emotion from both when Odin passed on. Idk, maybe they were just having trouble processing it and thus, didn't hardly react that much, especially Loki.
Odin did accept Loki as his son in the version we got in the movie because he said "My SONS..." and when he does the look on Loki's face really got to me!
Cate Blanchet was superb in this role. So menacing.
And Sexy!
Totally agree 👍🏾
Is it wrong that I quite like this look on her, oh my....
@@Trig0r not at all. It’s now my favorite look for her. She’s already beautiful. Yet this look along with her acting chops elevates her appearance 10 fold.
The makeup and acting was so good that I didn't recognize her at all until I saw the credits. xD
This explains the trailer where Hela is in an alley. Makes so much more sense now
100% I think it’s cool that it’s a “what could have been” instead of “oh we’re just changing it so you don’t see too much from the final film”
@coralice6263trailer footage is also often shit first so that it's ready in time.
I'd wondered why it looked this way in the trailer, but different in the movie.
@coralice6263Trailer is usually released when the movie is basically 95% finished, they just need to make finishing touches. Definitely not recycle an entire scene.
@@potatoboy549 I know after a number of MCU releases they shot different versions of certain scenes so that even the actors wouldn't know which version of that scene would make it into theaters as to help prevent spoilers on specific, important events. I imagine this is one of them.
this scene makes so much more sense to me than what they put in the movie:
1) I never liked the fact that Odin just died and faded away (ala Yoda)... and also that Thor and Loki just happened to arrive there at the exact moment when his life was coming to an end............... Hela killing Odin seems more realistic and adds so much more to the Hela character.
2) Odin passing on his powers to Thor clears up a big plot hole in the MCU... it explains how Thor is so much more powerful in Ragnarok than in the previous movies.
one thing that doesn't change is the fact that Cate Blanchett was fantastic as Hela... too bad we only got her for one movie
And two What If? episodes. I'd loved to have had her around for more.
One thing, you can easily explain Thor and Loki showing up at the right moment as Odin holding on to life so they can find him, and once they did he allowed himself to pass on.
Points taking, but it wouldn't have sir well with the movie. The acting, comparing to the original one was inferno. The dialogues felt like it was written by amateurs. No, matter how good an actor is, if the lines are bad, they can't make it better.
@@rexefe559 Yeah, thank god they removed this scene, the dialog is so unnatural and awkward. They stumble across their father who's apparently crazy like an escaped mental patient now and then they just stand there quietly listening to him rambling on... Him just dying and fading away was done well in the movie but they needed to add a better back story like him passing his powers on to thor before randomly turning into dust because apparently gods just do that when they reach "old age" even though we didn't have any hints in any previous movie that he was reaching the end.
Horrible way to convey it to the audience with just "and then he turned to dust because reasons...", they should've encountered hela first, get their butts whooped by her, mjolnir breaks, and then odin shows up at last minute to save them and take them somewhere safe after getting mortally wounded in the process. Then they can have the emotional scene of him passing his powers on to thor because he has to complete the prophecy where thor needs to have odins remaining power to even stand a chance. We get to have a short but badass scene of odin vs hela before he warps them to the grassy cliff and explains who hela is and what needs to be done and then the rest of the movie can continue like normal, she shows up, they warp to asgard, etc...
Couldn't we get Hela again somehow?
Goddess of Death? I'm not a comics guy but I feel like and iirc she can always come back after being in Hel for a while right?
GodDAMN Anthony Hopkins is such a fucking presence
I love how Loki screams "NO!" here.
He really cared about Odin
He really didn’t want his father to die
@@Pwilliams4000you clearly didn’t had a shitty dad
Unpopular opinion: Actually this version shows a different aspect of Odin which is kinda good as we never pictured him that way. Also we get to see a tad more Loki (and his reaction when Odin died is better here.)
How is that an unpopular opinion in any way shape or form?
@@NotDuncan Everyone thinks this scene is trash. That's why.
That ain't unpopular, it isnt even an opinion, it's basically true
@@mynameismattfirered9276 Not for everyone apparently. Some people prefer Odin in the genuine Ragnarok scene with the field.
well this has its pros and cons, but Norway is so much more beautiful
Glad they went with the scene in the movie, but these lines from Odin were magnificent. Especially when speaking to Loki
Nah fr tho, the one in the movie was better, it was more emotional and built a connection to the audience. It’s like the director actually cared about the fans
@@mrsiracha7717 No it wasn't, the crap in original was another time for Odious Odin to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING HE DID. It was NOT emotional AT ALL. It was a trickle of sparkle dust into the atmosphere, which is FAR more then he deserved. What connection, stooge? The one where Odin IS ONLY EVER ADDRESSING Thor, Loki might as well not be there. It's almost like the director still doesn't understand these characters, and you clearly didn't watch the movie so what would you know about it?!
@@radicalreactions1633 yeah I don’t remember saying this cuz I commented this 3 months ago.
@@mrsiracha7717I agree. The version we got was a hundred times better than this draft. And I'm glad the script writers knew that too
Compared to the god of hammers scene where it seems like he isn't even trying
Oh my dear God Anthony Hopkins is great in every single scene he is in. This must have been monstrous for the editor and director to have to decide. His other seen when he became Golden Light was just delicious this man is a National Treasure of performance art.
The background and chaotic dialogue has such a 90’s & 80’s vibe to it
I like the beginning part. It shows Loki did put his father away but he never meant to actually harm him. If it was them finding him but then cutting to the scene at the peak I'd think it would work
Good idea.
Why did he end up like that tho
Some things are better here, some things are better with the final release. If they combine the two, it could be perfect. But if they replace one with other, I won't complain. I like the most is when Odin met Hela and they exchanged few words that speak volumes. What i dislike? Odin gutted down like some trivial character. He deserved that peaceful death we get in the final release.
What we got in Ragnarock was because this was too dramatic.
The director didnt go for this homeless person route because they realized he shluld have a more dignified scene. Though I think Hela killing him would have set her up as a real threat that left a consequence in MCU. In the final release, she was awesome, but she didnt so as much.
@@hardcandy9880 This director doesn't care about the dignity of the characters. Dis you see Thor Love and Thunder?
@@saquistthe difference between this movie and L&T is that he tried to make L&T a more funnier movie and he knew it was bad. But with ragnarok he balanced out the serious and comedic elements. Although this deleted scene shows hela and Odin interacting, I liked the ragnarok death scene way better because it gave more of a emotional depth for both Thor and Loki once they see Odin dissolve
@@ZanderHanna With Ragnarok, he was kept in check. With L&T he was given a blank check
So this is what the alleyway scene supposed to be
Asgardians become more powerful after getting old. That means Odin was most powerful then. So the original scene makes more sense where he wasn't murdered but he accepted the time of departure and he passed on the throne to his sons.
But yeah the original scene should have been more detailed.
It's good this version got cut because the dialog is awkward as hell but they really needed to add more of a back story to the original scene instead of just slapping the audience with "and then he died and turned to dust because reasons..." even though there wasn't any hint he was reaching "old age" near the end of his lifespan and not even so much of a hint that gods could even die of "old age" to begin with.
They need to fix the dialog in this scene, have loki/thor confront hela first where mjorlnir breaks and they get their asses whooped and then odin appears out of nowhere, nearly goes toe to toe with hela before grabbing thor/loki and fleeing after getting mortally wounded. Odin could then give us a backstory of who hela is, explain to thor that he needs to fulfill the prophecy but none of them are strong enough unless odin gives his powers to thor sacrificing himself, and then we can get the whole emotional scene where he turns to dust and an actual explanation of why and the movie goes on as normal. Far better than just "What the hell, why'd he turn to dust??" and "Gods just do that, apparently..."
Heimdall warped Thor so hard he turned into a PS2 character
Odin actually giving Thor his King Power (as in, the Odinforce) makes every other scene where a character makes a vague reference to Thor's new found power more sensible.
Every spike in power Thor has relates to him having a vision of his father, Valkyrie after seeing Thor's fight with the Hulk says him and Hela get their power from Asgard and so on.
It's kinda weird we didn't get something akin to this more visible transference of power, but I suppose in the comics when the same happens Odin just dies and Thor suddenly has his powers too.
This isn't OF Thor from the comics though.
how do u know?@@THETRIVIALTHINGS
@@NoName-cz5mgI've read the comics.
He didn't give him odin force, if he did he'd decimate hella. He just made thor king.
The Odin Force passed to Hela, that is why she was a Hella Badass. Probably why they removed the kingly power transfer in the theatrical version, because it might have been confusing as to why Thor wasn't OP.
"Your way is cold and brutal"
Ironic because Odin was the one who worked together with Hela while killing millions.
She became too much for even Odin, that's why he says that. Also Odin got less war-thirsted as he got older, wiser and richer
@@ivanagustinortiz5237- Ok. I see. Odin groomed Hela into a warrior, not a warlord. She got bloodthirsty. “A wise king never seeks out war, but must always be ready for it”.
Its like The US and Israel right? Killing millions
I kinda thought that this was the reason it was recut. If this scene was included Thor would never have wondered about his father’s past when he saw the murals, etc
@@empyrean196Si vis pacem parabellum (If you want peace, prepare for war).
I like the confrontation scene especially Hela killing Odin because it really sets up a threat who did something impactful. But not a fan of what they did to Odin here. The director decided to give him a more dignified destination and it was right because this would be heartbreaking.
All due respect, but Everything else that followed was heartbreaking:
Odin has agency and a life in this scene.
The detached,watching-from-afar routine of the original release makes Odin more of an object in this film. This is my favorite scene of this production
He was lucid. He warned his sons, then he sacrificed himself. How is that not dignified?
@@teenspirit1 I did not say it was NOT dignified. I just said that the final version is MORE dignifiedm
@@jayswindonley1128 Yes. But this version would have been more heartbreaking.
0:39
You can see it in Loki's eyes that he was having a "daddy moment!" 😄😍😎💞
I’m glad they deleted this. The one that remained was much more heartfelt (how Odin talked to the boys).
I wish we combined elements from this scene and the one we got. I liked that his death was what led to Hela being released instead of her just breaking out. But I also would have liked the interaction between Odin and Hela, perhaps he senses his time draws near and decides to pay her a visit to try to convince her once she is free to give up her cruelty and stand by his two sons. I would have liked him to grant Thor his power just before he fades away. And I would have liked Loki to have a more nuanced reaction to Odin's death. I still liked that he gently passed on and that it didn't end with homeless Odin in an alleyway.
his death led to her release. And he died because he simply disintegrated into light. The version that was released is no good. It's a shame that such a wonderful film was closed. And what potential there was, Michael Straczynski participated in the script of the first torus.
Both versions of this scene explains more than the other. This version explains Ragnarok better (barely foreshadowed in the original outside of the title and Surtur being immediately defeated) and the official version explains Hela is their sister.
2:13: Easter eggs also got cut. The band posters on the wall are "Journey into Mystery" (the comic series where Thor first came from) and "Thunder Love" (perhaps the working title of Thor 4 at the time?).
Since I don’t see anyone else mentioning it, I love the Journey Into Mystery poster referencing Thor’s debut in Marvel
Never knew this existed, but now seeing it reminds of of the first teaser trailer i seen of ragnarok. Hella breaking thors hammer in a alleyway, i remember seeing that clip and was so confused when it was somewhere else.
Just when you think Cate Blanchett can't get any hotter, she looks like this.
Agreed. Definitely the hottest 48 year old Ive ever seen. 😍
Like an M80 on the 4th of July
Yes, she does look incredible
Bro it's vfx 🤦🏻♂️
@@youalreadydead2801 right so she isn't hot?
What this really shows is that when Frigga died, Odins heart broke, and he didn't want to carry on! The single greatest being in our galaxy kept away Thanos, Ego etc
Cate looked spectacular in that outfit
It's a bit different here. More revealing and tighter. They toned it down a bit.
@@ValleyRC she probably looks great out of it as well. Hehe
@@Daymond1973 that part they are probably keeping for their personal enjoyment... Nudge nudge, know what I mean?
You could say that she’s…*Hela* fit!
I’ll show myself out.
in this version they made Hela is like Unstoppable Superior being who can stop & destroy anything
This version shows how much more of a threat hela is (with HOW MUCH she is shown already in the final version with destroying mjolnir) than the final version, simply because she barely spoke any word and act menacingly
The final ver could've done the same by removing the exchange between thor and hela when she catched mjolnir
I prefer this scene. It’s touching to see Odin’s different connections to each son.
this scene sucks
Exactly, he finally specifically told Loki he was his son, which would have tied into Loki referral to himself in Infinity War as Loki "ODINson"
He pointed out all the bad qualities of Loki. Instead of accepting and empowering Loki, Odin continues to treat him like a second-class child. "MY SON" feels more like a term of control rather than love.
@@blusafe1I find it as Odin apologizing to Loki. To be fair, Loki caused a lot of shit for Odin and Asgard, so if he throws a few digs here and there then yeah it’s warranted. But he’s basically saying that he didn’t do enough to raise him right, so that’s why he said he failed them. He’s also trying to hammer it down Loki’s mind that Odin sees him as a son, and not as a means to bring about peace towards the Jotunn
Love the Kirby Balls in Hela's portal.
YES! The Kirby crackle!
A euphemism?
Hela : You took everything from me Odin : I don't even know you
You will
Yep, End Games’s Wanda response.
Same as villain in the Marvels
Sir Anthony looks like his character Diego Dela Vega in The Mask of Zorro during his imprisonment scene 😊
I think this was better scene than what we got in the film? I’ve seen other versions including variation on this one but Odin dies like in the film but in the ally.
the one in the movie is more beautiful to watch, but for some reason I find this version more appropriate, more real-life gritty, because often its when we / someone we know hit rock bottom that they realize the life lessons and appreciate their blessings. you can see a sampling of these with the wonderfully acted scenes between Chris, Tom and Sir Anthony. being in a stinky alley doesn't mask the fact that in the end, Odin becomes human and fully realizes what it's like, why both Thor and Loki has affinity for Midgard. remember Odin was so condescending of humans in Thor2, I'm pretty sure there were more Odin scenes as an old man around Earth, would've loved to have seen that so that he would at least have a character arc.
The part where hela breaks thors hammer that was in the trailer but the final version is better
I still think the hammer breaking was pretty stupid
I'm glad they had this scene redone. The whole thing didn't feel right.
Ikr
I Could Cry If This Was The Scene..
This scene makes more sense but I felt like they didn't want Odin to be killed but rather accept his own death peacefully
Mixed about this one🤔 glad they went with the theater version!
@@cynicaldrummer286 yeah... Plus i think odin would survive that... Leading to him helping thor defeat hela... Asgard defending the space stone from thanos
Honestly while this is a little better than the film version, the whole sequence needed a strong re-write. Thor's mother dying was such a powerful scene, while this...this just felt like...well nothing. I wasn't sad, i wasn't emotional, i didn't care. The lack luster sets, dialog, and music was all missing, everything Thors mother had
Loki: _Inherited from you? But I thought my real father was an Frost Giant._ 🤔
You can inherit traits from anyone
@@bartholomew1096 Yeah, right. So, my brother's blue eyes must have been inherited from my next door neighbor's mother's blue eyes who is not related to my brother. 🙄
@@trentmonaghan179 are you stupid lmao I said traits not genetic traits
@@trentmonaghan179I mean that would be scuffed but it’s possible, though won’t explain how. Though in the case of Loki and Odin, he would pick up personality traits growing up around him. As for physical, since his human like form is one crafted by Odin it probably does look something like him to make it more effective at saying they are family. Though that can only go so far unless Loki tried to look like or emulate his father so, yeah any similarities between Odin and Loki are inherited from Odin
@trentmonaghan179 Personality traits and physical traits are two different things. Odin obviously meant Loki as a person, not his looks.
So THIS is the scene they used in the teaser trailer! Very interesting, also judging from how polished the effect were in the trailer they had it in consideration until the very end, or maybe they used it as decoy, something like they did in the Infinity War trailer. Either way, it’s cool to see an alternative version, this definitely has a few elements that I prefer over the final one
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2:40 Look at the back on the wall the posters say “Thunder love” I don’t know if it was a Easter egg to the next movie which is Love and Thunder but it’s pretty cool
There's also a graffiti tag "GOR" so probably.
"Hela, it's been a hela long time."
During part of his speech, Odin reminded me of Tim the Enchanter (from Monty Python).
Absolutely magnificent, thank you for showing me this video! ❤ ( 12-07-24 ) Saturday
Odin's red jacket and endgame's thor's red jacket proves that he is odinson.
They put a lot of effort into this. I'm surprised it's only just come out
The trailer uses this scene of Hela
Hopkins seems a lot like he's phoning it in :/
@@TheArcher101He earned the break, bro. Even his version of phoning it in, is spectacular, in my opinion.
@@txmetalhead82xk Hopkins was his usual good when he was Loki's disguise and Thor's visions - but when Odin was just himself, it felt really flat tbh
3:54 when I put the smallest graphics in the game
My Halo Infinite experience in a nutshell; turn them to max, and it just auto downgrades it.
I like how the dramatic black makeup around the eyes gave her this soul-piercing death stare 4:08. That contrast, they should've kept. Cate Blanchett KILLED this role!
1:07, this the reason it got cut?
I notice the "love and thunder" posters in the background like the subtitle for the next Thor film.
Where??
Ayush_Y Gaming
1:53
The posters say “Thunder Love”.
This scene was deleted because it doesn't make sense for the following reasons:
1-Hela couldn't escape her banishment while Odin is still alive since it was his life that was keeping her locked away in the first place.
2-Hela couldn't possibly kill Odin because he's far more powerful than her considering he defeated her when she was at full power when he banished her. In fact, Odin was the only being aside from Surtur who can defeat Hela at all
Didn't Odin gave away his strength and power to Thor in this deleted scene right before Hela get to him?
Onin couldn’t stop her so he had to seal her
The biggest reason this scene was deleted was because one of the most powerful beings in the known universe is now an insane, dirty street urchin collecting junk. It's on the record they wanted a more dignified ending for Odin.
Yep and this version is bad. That's just a fact
@@SosukeAizen7594.Odin would beat her.
I much prefer the scene we got in the movie. Felt like that gave Odin more of a closure to his character.
Wasn't this scene from the original trailers? That shot at 3:42 looks awfully familiar.
Yes
Yup
Nice editing 💯
This was just way better than the scene in Norway (or wherever it was). It fit the characters better, the location made more sense, and the characterizations were more consistent. It only needed some refining and a little more editing.
At 1:52 you can see the posters say “thunder love” teasing Thor: Love and Thunder
Are u telling me that u commented this just 38 minutes before I saw it? You beat me by 38 minutes? Damn lol
Most people noticed that m8
Even in this version, Odin was like "Nah, your problem now, peaceee"
Imagine a random homeless person trying too rob Odin and he just sends them flying across the city and he’s confused how he was even strong enough to do it
This version of Hela destroying Thor’s hammer was the original scene shown on the trailer
Odin having a dignified, peaceful and respectful send off and goodbye with his children I believe is a vast improvement over this. Having a bumbling senile Odin played almost for comedy being immediately followed up by his murder is just tonally confusing and weird.
Can't remember where I saw this but in some sort of screening a lot of people apparently felt the same. It just didn't seem plausible that a being as powerful as Odin could be so easily reduced to a powerless slightly demented bum. Hence the change.
3:34 actually this shot was on the trailer
Yeah, then the replaced it with the field instead
Honestly, both versions (this deleted one and the fonal one, from the film) are great in their on way.
for Cate, in this outfit and makeup I would literally do anything
Feige and Co re-filmed this to give Odin a better send off when in fact, this scene was much better than the final product.
Finally the scene I was looking for the entire time
I think I prefer this version of it all. Great stuff from all the actors.
This scene would’ve been great in the movie, but it would’ve heavily altered Thor’s visions of Odin when he was fighting the hulk and his melee with Hela. Instead of a groomed, earthly Odin found on Norway (ironically where Norse mythology traces back to btw) we would’ve had a broken, deranged man gratuitously advising Thor to awaken his true power from within.
May I ask why that is ironic
no reply lol
Are you Thor, the god of hammers?
@@Channel2491 yeah thats not irony as much as it was poetic and was certainly intentional.
Thank you sharing this. This was alot better
The cgi in this scene looks like it came from wizards of waverly place
If nothing else, Hela is still a smokeshow.
0:42 you can see loki's expression being called his son even that he dumped his father
i can see why this wasn't used since it would be a plot hole,
Dr. Strange is in the area, it also would be in humane for strange not to appear. since he could detect them.
This is the Marvel universe, when every hero had is own problems.
the finished version is much better. Odin deserved a better and more dignified death. The more I rewatch this movie in the shadow of Love and Thunder the more I realize that the editors saved Ragnarok from Taika's worst instincts
OMG. Another brilliant and definitely better scene than in the original. I doubt that I have ever seen Thor as the writers intended him to be.
So this is the Hela crushing Mjolnir scene we saw on the trailer but not included (or the setting changed, greenery instead of street alley) on the theatrical version
The scene we got was still cool and awesome but this delated scene hits hard but still the part where Odin died in the og scene was still… just heartwarming
What really irked me about this scene was the part where Odin explains to Loki that he inherited certain traits from him even though Loki is not Asgardian but a Frost Giant's child. This scene is just as powerful as the one we got in the movie - but Odin never transferred his power to Thor in that scene like in this one, it would have made more sense. I LOVE Cate Blanchet as Hela.
I’m adopted and there are certain mannerisms and attitudes I got from my adoptive parents.
Also this scene sets up hela as an immediate threat, it explicitly shows Odin claiming Loki as his son, but I would have merged in the scene of the brothers talking to hela when she first arrived.
One can "inherit" traits by simple observation and admiration.
My feeling was that Odin raised Loki to appreciate what Asgard had to offer so that when he came into his inheritance to rule Jotunheim, he would make it a better place. I think he turned blue in the film where he discovers his history, but I didn't see a blue version of him in _Loki_ season 1.
@@sandal_thong8631 Lmao! You're delulu. Loki was STOLEN so his home planet would never have another King. Odin STOLE EVERY SOURCE OF POWER THAT HE GOT HIS GRUBBY HANDS ON. What's your point about Loki turning blue? That only happens at certain points. You clearly don't understand these characters.
I wish we got this scene. It just shows how sad Odin could fall when thrown into the same position as Thor did in Movie 1.
That was 1000 times better intro to her, and explains the sudden new powers Thor gets later! Ugh - Executives!!
This scene is very emotional, I wish they kept it
No it’s a bit hammered with exposition. There’s not enough setup for Odin. The replacement scene shifted the attention away from Odin so they didn’t have to explain him. Increases the pacing, removed the floaty.
Agreed. This could have added one or two stars to many reviews of the movie. The movie needed a gritty, serious scene to balance out some of the silliness and this would have done the trick.
Odin is not a chump as seen here
I remember the first trailer I saw with Hela in the alleyway. Also saw promo shots of Sir Anthony Hopkins as a homeless man. When I saw the movie, put it together that they reshot scenes. I like some elements of this, but overall, I think the new Asgard scene fit better. Wondered what the original scene was like. Now I know.
So this was where the 1st trailer showed us Hela breaking mjolnir
It’s so RARE it’s been on TH-cam for 4 years
Anthony Hopkins is so fucking amazing, what an epic performance!
Foreshowding to Scarlet Witch in Endgame? 3:14
There would have been a load of memes based on the resemblance.
Israel Dosal
What makes you think there still won't be?
Twinodoom I agree with you there will be some memes about that
@@commenterimjustacommenter Yeah, the Memes are... *Inevitable*
Israel Dosal 😂
The theatrical version we got was better. This scene was originally in the trailers, I remember seeing Hela in a city ally way and was always confused when she was in a grassy field instead. But having a worthy send off for a character like Odin dying in New Asgard and Hela's introduction being released from prison after his death made more sense.
i may prefer the final version but his words to loki here is more impactful
3:04 It says "Gor" on the wall. Foreshadow?!
Other "Easter Eggs":
Thunder Love
Journey Into Mystery
Why is it that the deleted scenes are always better than what they put in the movies??!!😮😮
I laughed so hard watching odin become a hobo at this variation of events
I prefer the version we got but I think the line from Odin to Loki about how his inner fire he got from Odin and so he's Odin's son should have stayed
Even you could tell it was green screened, I prefer the version in the film in Norway. Felt much more emotional and less rushed compared to this actually.
Nah thats an Atlanta alley
He means the Norway version was greenscreened; they weren't really sitting on a cliff.
No shit this scene wasn't finished, why work on something you aren't going to use
I actually like this scene I like how they decided to do it in the movie too I think if they combined them in the right way it would have been much better
Cate Blanchett lookin kinda fine as she steps out of the portal