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Today Ben ventures to Agrabah to discuss the timeline of Aladdin and whether the Genie could be... a ROBOT?!?
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I like Starkids explanation of how the genie knows all of these references is that the lamps interior exists outside of time and space and he watches movies and stuff but this is better.
Yeah!!! Twisted is such a good adaptation
Ugh I love starkid!!
Bring Achmed his tiger and nobody gets hurt!
Starkid's rendition of the story is now my head cannon. But tbh alot of the time throughout Twisted I was like "OK Jesus christ I don't know what's going on here"
I mean, it does explain how Iago didn't suffocate while trapped inside the lamp alongside Jafar, underground, for what had to be at least several months
Genie's rule #2 is a sub-set of Asimov's law #1 - do no harm - in that a love spell is inherently harmful. By taking away someone's choice in who they love, you're making them subject to someone else in body, mind, and heart - regardless of what they wanted to begin with, no-one wishing for love is getting anything but the most strictest form of slave out of it. I'd guess Genie just spelled out this detail cause he had SO MANY people making that wish :/
Sooooo Aladdin is set after Foundation? right?
The three laws are genius and ubiquitous. To the point that they are often used by authors who do not necessarily know or at least dont reference their origins
I always assumed that the genie's last master was Tamatoa: he's seen to have had the lamp in his collection, he is certainly a lot bigger than Aladdin (as Genie claims his last master to have been) and I figured that the cave was created by the genie as a result of a wish to keep his treasure safe after the hook was stolen, with the "diamond in the rough" being creative wordplay on the genie's part, as Tamatoa refers to himself using the term.
This is genie-us lol!
I love your comment.
plus a "Diamond in the Rough" is SHINY!
While this is a good theory, and it could make sense I quite honestly don't feel like Tamatoa could or even would do that. Even he has limits, and Moana takes place way too far before Aladdin, and a lot of people are probably bigger than Aladdin especially considering the way he lives! However if I could see some solid evidence to back it up I might could believe it! But keep coming up with theories, you seem to have a quick eye for detail :D
@@miraculouslover2154 I’m confused how Moana takes place too far before Aladdin. Genie was in his lamp for 10,000 years which was definitely before the events in the movie. Moana took place 2,000 years ago during The Long Pause. Tamatoa is a monster so that would explain how Genie had a master 10,000 years ago because monsters are immortal
Imagine, Genie didn't previously have his 3 rules. Instead, he created them based on his last master. The previous master of the Genie wished for a mass genocide of a certain people, followed by a wish resurrecting those killed for an immortal undead army. He did this thinking if he conquered a kingdom then he could have the woman he had fallen in love with fall for him. When she didn't, he wished for her to love him unconditionally, which we all know always brings about problems given that they are still competent to think yet no longer have their own free will
Mind blown.
Dude that's crazy and I definitely believe this theory now! 🤯
An example of that last point is Voldemort
But then if the genie wasn’t restricted to 3 wishes, how was he able to escape from his old master?
@@lilcreeper2635 it's not to say that he was free to grant as many wishes as possible, he was still prisoner to the lamp, but what I'm suggesting is that the 3 rules he provides are not rules of the lamp, but rate self imposed rules that he puts out first thing now because of his own conscience. By telling them those are the rules upfront, people won't request it of him.
OR the Genie is actually a genie, and his encyclopedic knowledge of 20th-Century pop culture gives him knowledge of the Three Laws of Robotics, which he figured were good enough for him to use himself to preemptively put limits on his masters’ imagination.
Good point because if a genie has endless cosmic power then can’t they look into the future?
Because the future is in flux, there isn’t just one future, it’s ever changing
@@Dre-mb6ut you missed the 'endless' he cable keeping up with the flux
Writer 1: Our character makes cultural references the audience will get!
Writer 2: But that won't make sense in the context of the movie
Writer 1: don't worry future internet man will make it make sense
Writer 2 : What in the world is an internet...
@ZenoDLC TVA members burst in pointing at Writer 1: “There’s the variant!”
Writer 2: what's internet???
@@SarahCraigGater the move was made in 1992, only a year before the web went public, some was already well known by those that went to univercity
If the Genie crated the Cave of Wonders to protect himself, and he can’t/doesn’t want to kill anyone, he already broke that rule at the beginning of the movie when the cave collapsed on Gazeem.
Oof...
I always thought Gazeem didn't die he just got cursed and became the magic carpet
@@monsterak471 That's an interesting theory. The only problem is that the Genie clearly knows the carpet, since he greets him by saying "I haven't seen you in a few millennia."
Genie himself didn't cause the collapse of the cave, the cave, being somewhat sentient, closed itself.
@@captainspaulding5963 but if he created the cave he caused the death, at least indirectly
Y'all should read this series called A Twisted Tale by Liz Brazwell, basically disney fairy tales but what if certain things happened/didn't. One of the books is Whole New World , which asks the question, What if Aladdin never found the lamp? Kinda dark because people die but it's SOOO good
Wow 😮, that's basically a disney version of what if, how do i find it???
I saw the title and immediately thought “yeah they’ll convince me of this”
Lol yes
*I* thought they were talking about Ginny from Harry Potter and I genuinely laughed out loud
@@pigi1004 omg lol
“One parrot power” is one of my new favorite SCB quotes
Same ! 😂
I thought, man I can't be the only one loving this line
I thought "it's not a pretty sight, I don't like doing it" meant Genie didn't like doing the slimey green genie corpse impression.
5:43 *stares at screen*
*checks calendar*
I’m pretty sure we’re 21 years into the 21st century BenJam
(That’s over 1/5th of the century just in case you didn’t pay the math budget lol)
Lol for real. The 20th century is 1900-1999. The late 20th century would be like 1970
Disney has made it pretty clear on at least one other occasion that powerful magic users can time travel (or at least see the future), in the Wizard Merlin, so genie having knowledge of things that won't happen for a few hundred years dispite being imprisoned for 10,000 is perfectly possible. As much as I like the idea of Aladdin taking place in the future, I just can't believe it. Great theory, but I don't think so.
I agree with you. If time travel through magic in Disney Universe is showed, is possible that the Genie before or during his long imprisonment, was able to travel to the future and during the events of Aladdin, its sequels and tv series he makes references of what everything he saw during his time travel.
Let's say you are right and that Aladdin takes place in let's say the year 1000-ish at the latest (probably earlier but let's just go with that for the sake of simplicity). That still leaves us with the problem of the Genie having been in the lamp for 10000 years, regardless of the Genie being able to time travel and/or see the future. Because that would mean that he has been in the lamp since 9000 BC at the latest, which also means his former master would've been from that time. Who was his former master? Sure, human beings existed back then, but human civilization did not, people were still in the hunter gatherer phase and written language didn't even exist and wouldn't for thousands of years. Was his last master a caveman? Cause 9000 BC was literally back in the Stone Age. Sure, the Genie can time travel, human civilization still only goes back so far.
The only 3 ways I can think of where this could actually work is if it's actually been way less then 10000 years, but time works differently inside the lamp so for the Genie it's been 10000 years, or if there was some kind of advanced society that existed before known civilization that ended up destroying itself, possibly because of the Genie. Atlantis: The Lost Empire theory involving the Genie? Possibly. And of course, there is the third option of the Genie actually having spent 10000 years inside the lamp without time working differently inside the lamp because at some point the lamp itself was sent way back in time, which could mean that his last master might indeed have been from the future, which could possibly bring either Treasure Planet or Meet the Robinsons into this.
Bonus theory is that the Genie and the lamp didn't originate from Earth. Which could bring either Treasure Planet or Lilo and Stitch into this, or some other Disney thing that has aliens in it that I'm not remembering at the moment, and also works with the lamp having been sent back in time theory. So I guess there's 4 ways this could work.
@@MrCrasyLasy37 I'm thinking Atlantis. Perhaps Genie was responsible for the great power that the atlanteans misused, and as a result of the ensuing explosion and enormous tidal wave that would follow an island the size of Texas abruptly dropping into the ocean, the lamp with genie inside it got launched to Arabia. (Or somewhere nearby and was picked up and brought to Arabia)
Genie: “What?! You think I’m a robot?!”
SuperCarlinBrothers: “We don’t think, we know!”
"I don't think you know either."
- Fender, in a deleted scene from Robots
I always thought that the genie knew all those references because of his ultimate cosmic power. Like he can do whatever with that power, within some kind of limitations, during his downtime. Like he can explore and learn things, so long as his physical body stays in the pocket universe of the lamp. Which is why you have to rub the lamp to bring him out, it alerts him that he needs to return.
Just curious, has this channel ever covered the "Once Upon a Time" series? It was a great show, and had very different takes on the disney lore and it was technically made by Disney.
I think they mentioned it once or twice…one time that sticks out was when they were trying to theorize about what Belle was reading (and maybe what happened to Belle’s mother). I do think OUAT is strictly in the realm of licensed fanfiction that can exist due to ABC being owned by Disney, but it’s not “official.” The writers obviously weren’t privy to anything but the established info for already released projects. A great example of that is how Frozen II contradicts OUAT’s Frozen story arc, but the Once writers wouldn’t have known that in 2014.
@@cakt1991 I also hated how they just brushed off the spinoff series.
@@wolftitan yeah…I think the ratings weren’t good. I thought it would have been cool if they had done more with Will Scarlet when they added him to the main show…I did quite like his relationship with Belle, even if I knew they weren’t going to last. Sad that he ended up getting written off and then he and the rest of those characters were never seen again.
To bad they had to shoe horn in frozen… the series kinda dropped off hard there
@@gruknarorcishwar-yerhereto8489 yes that show was pretty good until they kept trying to cram every freaking Disney property into the storyline and when the frozen sisters showed up that show went down hill and that ending oof
Later on in his writings Asimov incorporated a Zeroth law that supercedes the original three. It states that "A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm." In this way they can say, sacrifice a spaceship full of people if it means that in so doing the earth as a whole is saved from destruction, something that 3-laws compatible robots wouldn't be able to do. This seems to fit the direction that you're heading in this video and it's cannon in Asimov's writing. It's also the reason that the robots in the Will Smith I-Robot movie are able to disobey and even at times harm humans. The Genie could have developed his own version of a Zeroth law.
Asimov didn't believe in God. Does that help?
Imma one up the robot theory and say that Genie actually made EVERYONE his prisoner.
I submit that once freed Genie used his PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS to enchant the whole WORLD into forgetting Agrabah so he could just keep it. To himself.
For all time. Always.
Nice
any evidence?
Nice Loki reference
@@giovannibrighi5857 ;)
After Hours, is that you?
You guys should make a video where you rank every Pixar movie and include the films you didn’t do last time
I like how the robotic laws had random Wall-E clips in the background.
I just figured that he could and has time traveled like how Merlin does in Sword and the Stone
I think that Agraba isn’t in the future because Jeanie is the most powerful being in the universe so he can look into the future and see things like popular things that they used in the 20th centurie
The genie can't kill anyone. But can he injure someone so severely that they'll likely die? Can he see the future? What if you wish to give someone a hang nail but it becomes infected and kills the owner?
Or what about if you wish someone all the way into the upper atmosphere or deep space genies rules can't stop it but it would effectively instantly kill them
In return of Jafar a common phrase used throughout was, you'd be surprised what you can live through. The Genie can hurt, just not kill. Iago even got blew up
Genie + great acting = unforgettable
Video Idea: So In one of the episodes of Monsters At Work it shows in one seen that a little girl has a stuffed toy of Angle from Lilo and Stich. From what I know angle is a famous pop star, so it's probably not farfetch'd that a little girl would a stuffer animal of her. Could this possibly mean that the Pixar Universe is conected to the Lilo and Stich Universe? And if the Lilo and Stich Universe is conected to different Universes that thoughs are also apart of the Pixarvers? I think this needs to be looked more into. What do you think?
Or, the genie was kidding. Like he does.
So the point about the rules conflicting is silly, because as you say yourself the third rule contains the caveat "unless it conflicts with the first two rules" so if his existance was hurting people he could logically end it.
right, and if his existence was hurting people plural this would also go agest the 0th law "A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm."
i was waiting for someone to point this out. the whole point of that caveat is to allow self-sacrifice and ensure the robot's self-preservation never supercedes human life
I believe you should watch Twisted from Starkids to get a new outlook of the Story.
It really gives you a new understanding of Aladin and Jafar, that is when you are willing to let the truth into your heart.
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Sometimes it feels like this movie's rules are held together by string 😂
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sounds more like your theories lol.
@@lordvika2526 oooof😂
That’s what makes this movie the actual best
Can I add on to your theory? The last master before Aladdin was one of Jafar's ancestors, (so I guess the evil runs in the family) which would also explain how Jafar knows about the genie, the story was passed on through the family. Then I bet he basically went and collected info on the cave of wonders and the two golden scarab pieces.
Y’all should rank every Walt Disney Animated Studios Film
That would be a lot of movies but maybe the Disney Princess movies would be cool!
I love the fact that Robin Williams just totally yelled Phenomenal Cosmic Power!!! And how he just embodies the character
Fantastic theory Ben. Love the three laws comparison.
I always assumed the genie could make all these future references because he could see the future (or at least parts of it) at one point he tells Aladin something like: "You won't find another girl like this in the next millenium. Believe me, I've looked."
I've been watching your videos for a while but only blood noticed that you embed your quotes really well.
Good job.
But if the Genie made the Cave of Wonders, it couldn't have killed Gazeem at the start. The Cave of Wonders would've had to been set up before by a Sorcerer and then the lamp placed there without the Genie's direct knowledge. This way, he wouldn't necessarily know the exact rules of the enchantment of the cave.
I believe Gazeem didn't die. I became cursed and turned into the magic carpet
@@monsterak471 except for the fact that Genie already knows Carpet
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Whenever Disney mentions years, theorists take notes. (See the one line in “Be Our Guest.”)
“Ten years we've been rusting,
needing so much more than dusting.”
And the beast is 21
Leading to theorists assuming that Adam (the enchanted Prince and Beast) was a *little* *child* when he was punished for *not* *opening* *his* *home* *to* *a* *complete* *stranger* !
TLDR: Theorists flip everything on its head and I'm here for it. :)
My idea is Genie is tied into the Universe itself. He exists in and outside time at the same time unaffected by boundaries and borders. Sort of like the Chamber of Ordeal's in Tamora Pierce's Tortall Universe.
He can grant a limited number of wishes per master simply to keep things balanced and has rules to obey to maintain that Universal Balance.
Additionally screw the remake, the only real Genie is ROBIN WILLIAMS!
If this theory is real the Last Master couldn't be worse then...UMBITCH!
That is so whacky!
I literally just quoted the “Diamond in the rough” line when I was talking to a co-worker about how life isn’t meant to be easy
Extreme pressure, after all, is how diamonds are made (along with time and some other things)
Well, of course Genie doesn't think Aladdin will be a nice master. While he's the "diamond in the rough", Genie also meets him in a _collapsed_ cave, showing that he wasn't able to resist the temptation of touching something (after all, Genie doesn't know that it was in fact Abu who screwed up).
And even without considering that, good people can be corrupted quite easily if you give them the power to wish for everything they want :-(
Super interesting theory, I would love to see a longer, more though-out version of this in the future!! :D
First: The genie did this
Second: He’s a robot
Yes and no, to me, at least. I see the Sultan line starting with the first Agraba Sultan building the Cave of Wonders, with ALL of it's riches and traps as well as the entrance Guardian (password requirements) putting the lamp in as an afterthought. Again, to me, it seems like the Cave is the cumulation of wishes and once those wishes were spent the lamp was placed in the cave. As for the Genie himself... I can see him as comparing previous wealth/power driven masters and just being burnt out on the whole lot of them. Aladdin took the Genie completely off guard by being a complete contradiction... Because of the password requirements placed on the cave.
To borrow a bit of your analogy, to access a work computer, I have to insert my card, scan my finger just to bring it online. I then have a password to open the desktop and another to open my operations program. The level of security has just as many measures as the Cave of Wonders. Wouldn't someone trying to protect their treasure vault use the same amount of security in lieu of a background check? I mean, if the security program was advanced enough to measure intent as well as keep track of all things in the cave?
I always believed that the genie was a cosmic being of great powers, capable of time travel that was somehow trapped as a genie, limiting his capabilities.
Which is somewhat touched on when Jafar made the wrong wish and what he stated afterwards. Now, normal Djinn’s are lower than Angels so I don’t believe he was a former Djinn but a more powerful being that has somehow had the same prisoning effect happen to him. You also have to wonder where Jafar’s powers came from when he himself was a genie. The genie is so powerful that he can give others cosmic powers.
Wasn’t the genie about to break the second rule and make Jasmine fall in love with Jafar and was only stopped because someone else showed up? Also could one of your wishes be to make it so the genies three rules don’t apply to you? Magic and technology are the same thing in my opinion. The technology we have in 2021 would absolutely seem like magic to anyone several hundred or thousands of years ago.
No. When Jafar made the love wish the genie started to explain her couldn't do that. Then quick-witted Jasmine realised she could gain the upper hand by pretending the wish was fulfilled. So no the genie wouldn't have done it
Sasha's right. near the end of aladdin after Jafar ends up as Genie's master be makes the wish for Jasmine to fall in love with him, Genie says he cant do that, then Jasmine starts faking it when aladdin showed up so Jafar wouldnt notice him.. Genie wouldnt do that.
well in a way magic is just unexplained science, and by proxy science is just explainable magic in a way
Whole time I'm watching this my brain is like Genie = Terminator lol
I find it hilarious that you say "I think the last apocalypse must have been robots! (something that has no evidence other than thematic parallels between rules) "Either that or zombies but that feels like a stretch." (something genuinely backed up by what the genie says about his own history)
I don't understand why the whole video went without saying Isaac Asimov's name. Asimov was a great early science fiction writer, who came up with those three laws of robotics (as well as the word 'robotics' though he maintained that he didn't invent the word, there's no record of anyone using it first). He also wrote the books that the two movies referenced (I Robot and Bicentennial Man) are based on. Very cool that each movie has a genie!
The genie's lamp is just the middle eastern mjolnir
I love the use of I robot "3 Rules" with this video. It really makes logical sense
What I love most about these guys is that they don't just say that they are right, and they say "let us discuss" not "listen to me because I am right"and that makes a big difference. These guys are just legitimately nice
But they are putting out speculation as fact, when it's not.
I think that was a good theory. I like how you didn't pad the runtime by telling the backstory that half the people already know and saying new exclusive information most of the time
I’m always like oh wow this title is crazy no way SCB is gonna convince me! And then I am nodding my head and amazed and believe it all 🤣🤣 you guys do such a good job thinking of unique theories I would never think of on my own! Even if I don’t actually believe all of them they’re so fun to entertain!!
I think the genie counting saving Aladdin from drowning, was him getting back at Aladdin for the first "non wish", getting out of the cave of wonders.
I'm usually really impressed by the amount of evidence (even if I don't agree with all of it) in these theory videos, but this one seemed bare bones. the first rule is the only one that is remotely close to the laws of robotics, the 10,000 years comment has the most validity but it's simply more likely the genie has some ability to travel in time, have some knowledge of the future, or something else more magical. Always excited to see the next video from you guys though great stuff overall!
Maybe not travel through time but see through time
It never ceases to amaze me the creative theories y’all can come up with 😂
"did I say also enough?" No Ben, you can never say also too much 😜 also also actually actually Ben on a Tuesday? Crazy but I'm loving it!!
When I read the title I was sure there was no convincing me but now this is my new head cannon
Wait I don’t believe it how far has technology been before a apocalypse for people to create a powerful being?!
I love that the robot clips are from WALL-E but the rules of robotics are from I Robot. Lol
I’m watching Aladdin and you guys posted this… spooky
At the end of the Aladdin, Genie comes back from vacation almost immediately after he left and he's wearing 20th century clothing and holding a 20th century suitcase. He can time travel, so his temporal references are explained. And when he mentions the 10 thousand years, there's no start date defined, so it's just 10 thousand years from when he was left in the Cave of Wonders, which he may have created, or someone else may have as a general storehouse for great riches and where the lamp could well have been left in the past by someone for safekeeping. Too many loose ends and maybes with this one.
This is *brilliant* , if for no other reason than the reference to Bicentennial Man - one of my favorite movies and sorely underrated imo! 🥰
I always was under the assumption that the Cave of Wonders was the created by a former Master. A previous Master of the lamp made horrible wishes to rule the world, then a noble individual, similar to Aladdin 10,000 years ago stole the lamp from the dictator, used his first and second wish to undone all the damage from the previous Master, then used the third wish to create the Cave of Wonders to ensure that no other "unworthy" individual would possess the Wish Granting Genie.
A prequel movie I always wanted to see.
the genie is CLEARLY all knowing
Aladdin are you the diamond in the rough -Dumbledore asked calmly
'Magic's just science that we don't understand yet'
-Arthur C. Clarke
I like that you called it a show and not a video. It's the small things that matter.
Thanks for running these in 4K
You bring up a thought: There's a LOT of Las Vegas references by Genie. Could Agraba be built based on the ruins of that city in the sands? All the buildings, culture, and clothing were based on the only surviving hotel. Add ten thousand years. :D
Genie is the internet and only the moderators keep him in check with the laws of robotics.
As Isaac Asimov (the creator of the three laws) wrote in one of his stories, the three laws are also rules that genuinely good people will also follow.
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Ayyy early tuesday post!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Genie lives backwards through time like Merlin, and gets TV reception in his lamp.
Love the Slotherin pillow in the background of this video. Where can I find one or a pattern to make one.
Whenever I see a title like this I know which brother is going to be driving😂❤️
I LOVE this theory!
the simpler explanation is that since Genie is a cosmic being, rules of time doesn't apple to him, so he's made those references not because he's in the future, but he foresee it to come in the future through his powers
I don't know why it never crossed my mind before that the very fact that he's had prior owners, combined with the fact that he hasn't gotten out of the lamp in 10,000 years, has incredible implications. I somehow think they just didn't think about it though lol
People working in AI research like to use genies as thought experiments all the time, because a superpowerful being that blindly does exactly what you *tell* it to whether you *want* that or not basically is a literal genie. I expected that to be the thesis of this video: humans some time in our near future create a general AI that bootstraps technological progress to "magical" levels and ends in the destruction of civilization as we know it. The genie, left behind afterward, *is* that AI, and his "magic" is all merely "sufficiently advanced technology".
In the tv-series, his previous master is shown, using some kind of gem to be able to wish unlimited amounts of wishes. Tried to find an episode to give a reference but didn't find it straight away, and haven't watched the series in 25 years or so.
The previous (or at least A former) master was seen in the series. He had wished for immortality was therefore still alive to meet Aladdin (although very old because he didn’t wish for everlasting youth).
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Rest in peace Robin William
“I know not with what weapons World War 3 will fought fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones”
What would be hilarious is if the genie could make someone fall in love but he instead makes it the friendship kind of love meaning he only friendzones them and it is on purpose.
I would advise you to make the explanation you were about to give, phenomenally good
Or maybe they sent GENIE back in time to stop people from abusing him
hmmm idk. Usually you are able to win me over with these insane theories, but this one doesn't seem like a slam dunk.
Hey love your video
i sent you the zombie idea about 3 years ago on twitter, i always wanted someone to look at that as a theory
Did I miss the moment when he references Robots (2005) (also featuring Robin Williams) or is this some alternate reality
I've never thought about comparing Genie's rules to Asimov's rules, but that's a great observation. New head cannon! :D
Here I was expecting an exploration of how the genie was a sapient utility fog composed of nanites.
Y’know what? I haven’t watched this video and I don’t intend to do it, but lemme tell you one thing: Genie is a genie
The sponcer sounds cool
This just makes me want to rewatch Twisted, a really cool musical on youtube, which is basically Aladdin but Wicked.
Someone made a video that theorized about, who the Genie's former master was 10,000 years ago from Aladdin's time going all the way back to Moana's time, this means that Aladdin's time should still be in the B.C.E. meaning that all the modern stuff shown in the movie were just movie errors.
I was gonna watch this later but the title actually sounded interesting lol