The REAL Reason Will & Jada Failed (Now The Kids Suffer)
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Sorry pawl
Eh not fair pat 😢
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Omg poor Willow, having to sit there and hear her mom and dad talk like that, low key trashing each other and their own marriage. Unbelievable
Looks as if she has been for years too. And they validate her opinion on .
Yeah, there are some parts of parents relationship they shouldn't out in front of their kids
I went through that shit as a kid, and it is not a nice thing to subject a child to. My dad also was slightly abusive. The only incident I can remember vividly is when I was 6 years old, my dad slapped the absolute shit out of me for asking him to fix my toy. That being said, I still love my parents
Yes having their child sit in on their public therapy sessions just seems wildly inappropriate
She's seems very disappointed in them; you'd swear she's the actual parent listening to her immature kids
It’s hard for me to feel sympathy for Will and Jada let alone any celebrity these days.
Two narcissistic millionaires are not high on my sympathy list either. They deserve each other.
Too true....for me too! Especially when they give out hypocritical advice
Because most sign up for it. Unless your blackballed into it then. I feel bad, like Britney Spears or even Justin Bieber. People keep talking about his marriage was not willingly. The same people who were Britney Spears management are also Justin Bieber’s management….. both child stars.
hell no why should we? people who think their life is perfect know nothing about life😂but to each their own i guess🤷🏼♂️
Everything turns to shit when you drink from the cup of Satan for all his worldly riches but your soul is dead!!!
You can't throw two totally 'damaged' people together and expect a nice outcome.
Prove it.
@@zek2326 Will and Jada. Ur mom and dad.
@@ericcartman7600 good one
They might be damaged individuals, at the end of the day, they're responsible for their choices and actions. Every stupid thing they did were done because they chose to do them, especially considering that they grew out of their respective conditions.
i mean its not impossibel, but honesty and therapy are required. They have all the time and money in the world for therapy etc, but you cant *force* someone to care about themselves
This video would have been even better if it included bits about Will's childhood as well, e.g. his violent, controlling father who wouldn't love Will unless he reaches rank 1, therefore Will's enormous fear of failure. Also, it could be mentioned that Jada shows emotionally unstable behaviour like threats of suicide which Will had to deal with. Other than that, this is the best, unbiased video on the topic of their marriage that I have ever seen!
As my Mama would say, it looks like they're an equal match.😏
" bits about Will's childhood" including how he felt as a boy that he failed his mother
th-cam.com/video/9_tPt_7FwnI/w-d-xo.html so ofcourse he would never leave a relationship in later life, even when that's the right thing - i don't think it's all to do with image, even though that's a plus in his career
LoL Will Smith is indeed the greatest and most successful actor that ever lived. I believe he is still acting IRL. Brando is nothing but a shadow compared to him at that interview with Willow and Jada.
Will is gay and Jada is a ultra feminist from a broken home. It is sad that they have to break their children to keep their jobs and their children know they are just like Hollywood props. They are still humans, the children, but their parents are monsters and what matters in the end is money, they will repeat the cycle of broken families until the elite pet project is out of the bag, we are under the demoralization phase.
Having a dysfunctional marriage, but refusing to get divorced just because of the stigma is just as nonsensical as thinking that getting married will FIX a dysfunctional relationship.
And having kids to keep the relationship together.
"Ciga-cigar right from Cuba-Cuba
I just bite it
It's for the look, I don't light it"
Sums up everything quite well I think. It's ALL for the look. Sad but that's what he thought it took to make it.
I don't think they got married to fix the relationship. They got married because of outside cultural pressures. Will felt like men need to be married in order to be successful. Jada felt she had to get married because of pressure from Will and her relatives. And it may be nonsensical in our view, but it happens all the time. As a society, we still hold marriage up on a pedestal as the best model of relationships. We criticize people who choose to stay single or unmarried. We criticize people who don't believe in monogamy. Things are slowly changing, but these are still the mainstream views and many people still feel like they have to comply with social pressures.
Jayden and Willow are grown ups, nobody understands why these two haven't gotten a divorce. It's a financial arrangement and investment at this point.
It's literally what every other boomer-era couple did yet they all wonder how they raised an entire generation of kids with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and PTSD that came from either daddy's drinking problems or from the number of times they remember mommy "walked into a door", give me a break. Just get divorced!
The morals of today's story is "Don't marry anybody that don't want to marry you" and also, "Don't say yes, if really mean no." Don't be pressured into marriage and don't pressure somebody else.
For real and get an aborto if you have a clump of cells forming inside of you from a complete stranger.
Wow dude best summarized comment ... thanks for giving guidance in this mess
To add on from a man’s perspective, make sure the woman says I love you first and brings up marriage as well. It’s important because women tend tj have the most option compared to men so if she says I love you and wants to marry you, she’s more likely gonna make your marriage happy unless she’s a psycho
@King9tails Meanwhile women wait for the man to say it first so good luck with that.
as much as I dislike jada (which is a lot), I do also think its wild that will smith pressured her into marriage when she clearly didn't want it
This is the first time I hear of a "preventable marriage" and I love it.
"i´m a scientist" 🤣
More like Scientologist
Awww ever since his character in I AM LEGEND
That visit to the CDC before they made the movie confused will
😂😂😂🙆🏿♂️
He is saying he is an actor. He is acting all the time lmao
im an orca
Willow shaking her head in disgust when Jada was talking about crying down the isle of her wedding is so telling. I only pity the kids.
Right I saw that and thought wow if their own kids know what’s fucking up in their marriage then they just need to leave each other
Will just laughing at the terrible things Jada says 🤦♀️
Like when Willow was nodding her head when Jada said she doesn’t agree w the construct 7:25
@@mickygurll it's a coping mechanism
I was grateful when my parents were honest about their failed marriage. I spent much of my childhood being pushed to "pretend along" that everything was normal and fine. Once they started being honest about their experience and mistakes, it was painful, but I felt liberated, because it validated my gut instincts that things hadn't been right. I don't think we can decide for Willow whether this is hurting or healing, only she can. This may be far less painful than sitting at home in silence having to tell the world everything's fine.
so it was an affair that became a horrible marriage
Fr. I had no idea. “How you get em is how you lose em” 🥴
why did he feel the need to tie her down so bad?
@@koreangirlgroup.will said it. If he wasn’t married he felt like he’d never be successful. So an ego problem pretty much lol
@@bencabrera8957 oh you right ☺️
i hadn’t gotten to that part of the video yet
Many such cases
The talk about having money, being young and hot and being able to have anyone, yet being unhappy, can be applied to so many people and speaks volumes about that person. They don't have self fulfilment. Their entire identity is based on something that isn't sustainable and will never be completely attainable. You have to find your own happiness, inside. You have to understand, appreciate and respect yourself. If you depend on money, fame, attractiveness, or whatever else that's decided by society and sources beyond your control to make you happy, it'll never happen. You'll just be stuck living as a puppet, with everything in life decided by your relevance and what you can offer to everyone. I wish more people would do themselves a favor and live on their own terms, not the world's.
It's all the worse because she admits she had everything and still didn't feel happy.
People need to learn to say “no” and to respect that and move on by living with someone’s denial and another one’s acceptance.
The real ones I feel sympathy for is their children that have been dragged into this mess by these two.
And it shows. Narcissism runs in the family. But I guess it is unavoidable being raised that way..
Will Smith is the problem for choosing to marry the wrong women
@@YHSHUA🤷🏼♀️
These two??? I mean. I get it takes two to tango. But Will just did what EVERY man is raised to do. Take charge. Fight for his family and its stability. How the fook is this Will's fault. Yeah. He chose a wrong woman. But he was just doing everything he can to lead a happy stable life, as a MAN. Brevs. This why I just stare at wuhmen and think, "Is she worth it. Worth the love. Worth the DEVOTION. SACRIFICE. Stability. Safety. Security" Nah, fam. Leave her alone. She skrong. She independent. Don't save her. She don't want to be saved." Leave em to Satre, Wilde, Lovecraft or whatever bullzhit they read and think is "illuminating".
It finally makes sense why they’re so fucked in the head as well. I mean like we already kinda knew. Exstream fame from young age, used as nepobaby and industry plants from the start but we never knew just how waked their parents were
These two are a testament to the value of keeping certain personal things completely to yourself
If Will loved himself he would have never got involved with that toxic woman but then again she is a master manipulator.
@@Thaddeus-ml8ifthey’re both humans. Stop making them seen like monsters. They’re just like us. Humans confused and trying to figure life out.
@@RyeCore She is a sociopath. You ever know someone like that in your life? They are narcissist and try to get what they want without considering who they hurt or have any moral compass. Will ain’t innocent either.
the whole time I am making this video i'm thinking.. they never had to share ANY of this. One interview/press statement that says "We are separated, but still love and support each other & our family." And the whole world would still think nothing but positive thoughts about them
@@PatrickCc Yah i first thought it when you showed the lists they made and I thought, “you could have just kept that to yourself bud.” Jeez. It was so sad to hear the quote from the daughter about their interaction in the kitchen. Anyhow, another great and fascinating video. Thank you, and thanks for the reply. :)
Will’s saying “hell yeah” when asked about Jada being being ungrateful has me screaming 😂😂😂🤣💀
This put a LOT of things into context about both of them. It's easy to cringe at all the things Jada has shared but given she spent 15 years of her life being forced to repress the truth for her domineering husband to present the "perfect family" I can't blame her. Even their own kids knew the truth and felt the weight of that pressure.
I can blame them both. I hope their kids grow up and don't repeat what their parents did in their marriage
It’s hard to place a “bad guy” in this scenario… seems like both of them are equally as responsible for this toxic mess of a relationship
U r right I always thought she was the bad guy but damn he kinda sucks too
Both are "bad guys"!
Agreed, he put too much pressure on her and rather than telling him or leaving, she continued to let it escalate
@@googleuser9616 yeah this video really showed why jada became the villain. they are both bad anyway but internet seems to be feel sorry for will.
jada is toxic
Jada: "I cried all the way through my wedding."
Will: "YEAH! HAHAHAHA!!! [Slaps thigh]"
I know so cringe
Grade A knee slapper
That’s him trying not to cry, no man wants to hear that BS
Bro was tryna cope 😂
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23:33 Oh no no no. When you break a person rage limits in a flash, the laugh is just the calm before the storm.
I too have laughed from rage. You are in state of completely disbelief that what happened happened and is also truly amazed by it. Its in the moment that your amazement fades that you either time out or do the unthinkable.
Definitely agree. You default to politeness as you take in the shock of what just happened, and then the anger starts to creep up you until it's taken you over entirely. Will had a LOT of pent up anger in that slap. He was coming to terms with the fact that he'd essentially pressured Jada into marrying him in order to satisfy his own ego- perhaps he felt guilty for that. He'd watched his father mistreat his mother and himself. He felt like a failure because his second marriage had crumbled, a massive blow to his already fragile and inflated ego. He was coming to terms with Jada's infidelity AND with the public reaction to it. And to top it off, Chris joked about Jada's hair, which is a sensitive topic to her. She just scowled and let it pass because that is the sensible thing to do when someone makes a joke you don't appreciate, but honestly, Will was so close to snapping that even a small issue like an insensitive joke was enough to send him over the edge.
Will Smith has Mr Peanutbutter energy.
😂😂😂😂
Will actually laughed at Chris Rock's joke, before he saw Jada's unimpressed expression. Also, everyone would have easily forgotten it within seconds, if not for Will's reaction.
Will needs a divorce. It's obvious that they aren't working for each other.
Yup, I don't know why he felt the need to do that. Jada might've been salty about the joke, but assaulting him over it is a little much. Especially after laughing first, it made him look even more ridiculous.
all that slap really did was shine a bright light on how screwed up he and his family is.
@@Based_Gigachad_001Will needed a divorce so he can go for the men he loves. Poor Jada.
@@KaeMaiden ??
I started dying laughing when Will said he was a scientist 💀
Yeah, he comes across as such a dumb-dumb.
Dude for real. Bro didn’t even go to college. Like calm down.
even willow was like "idk about that"
He means he’s an INTJ personality type according to the Myers-Briggs test. It’s also referred to as the architect or the mastermind behind because these individuals are obsessed with planning and executing every detail of their lives on their own terms.
@@buffalomomo5061 saying “I’m a very analytical person” is massively different than saying “I’m a scientist”.
I think rich people have no understanding of what happiness is and how you get it. For Jada to have everything that money could buy and still ask herself "why am I not happy" in her Red Table Diary Egofest means she foolishly thinks money can buy happiness. But even the poorest soul knows you cannot ever buy happiness. Rather happiness in life comes in small moments and quantities. Like the dinner party you have with your few closest friends where no one judges you and you feel unconditional love. Or the feeling I get in the forest of Yosemite sitting right across from half dome in the summer and seeing and hearing the soft breeze ruffle up the ferns that cover the woodland. Those are the times my heart swells with happiness and I am grateful to be alive, but I know I cannot maintain that feeling forever. The rest of life is working, mortgages, traffic, car payments, seeing bad movies you wasted time on, yucky food that you at least tried once, overpriced gas, crabby people, smelly people, politics, earthquakes, and the utter unhappiness that comes with death. So, you have to learn how to identify happiness already in your life, NOT look for someone or something outside yourself to make you happy. The end.
Money can either buy you the kind of misery you like or the tools to happiness. If you are rich and unhappy that's your own damn fault. You have opportunities most don't in finding happiness and if you don't I have no sympathy for you.
She wasn't confused when Will slapped Chris she SMIRKED after he did it. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Who cares.
If you don't care why are you here lol @@wiwysova
@@wiwysova lol
@@wiwysovaobviously have some issues about it & you don't care about violent outbursts....tells of a dysfunctional type
@@sTraYa249 I have issues with people pretending it means anything, yes.
i think this is the first time i'm actually listening to will and jada's issues at my own will, the media makes their relationship issues unavoidable lol
Patrick's documentaries are so good you have no choice but to watch em, there's no free will in that sense
I couldn’t have said it better..
Yet here I am.. I feel like I know whats going on because I remember all background incidents
Same lmao
I've had no issue with avoiding both the Smiths and the Kardashians. It's easy to avoid if you really want to.
No you mean had a not the media 😭
The simple fact that they both have publicly outted each other multiple times over the years is horrendous
They deserve each other lol.
Both are people who think they are the most important person on the planet. That's what narcissists do, watch out for only themselves. Now put two of them together and you get this car crash. Hollywood is full of these clout chasers.
that's mostly from jada but this is just an example of keeping your business to yourself not narcissistic behavior cause why would one be self destructive to themselves.
What did Will out?
My parents would NEVER do that to each other…. That’s not “love”, that’s EGO
This video is my introduction to you and I am so glad I ran across you! Looking forward to a lot more of your work!
Well done unbiased account on both these in the public eye personas
Thank You for all thoroughness and trying to being some clarity to their confusing dichotomy !
Appreciated
I especially like your oacing and tjne narrating this video !
their marriage shows the power of peer pressure
Family pressure more specifically, which is why millions get into unhappy marriages.
Never force someone to marry if they don't wanna marry, this is what i have learned, and do not marry if you are not ready for marriage
Family pressure on Jada's side, and Will just added to it so half on her and mostly on him.
Two things Jada does in every conversation: turn it into her own therapy session, and displaying insane mental gymnastics that twists avoidance of responsibility into some act of heroism.
She's A narcissist! Thinking she's all that and can have anyone she wants! Please!
100% 😒 it’s exhausting and I’m not even involved
She also tries to sound educated by using words she has heard somewhere and thought, yea I'll use that! It's very laughable because in the UK, Will Smith is known, but Jada is not. She is Wills' wife, lol😂
Hard agree. She tries to paint herself as this generous woman who does no wrong. She’s responsible for this mess as well and people don’t see it.
dude will has been gaslit into a fucking shell of a man
Just came across this commentary. Very well presented. And you're right Patrick, I certainly would not want a relationship that mirrors what they're doing.
My first time landed here! Nice presentation Patrick Cc❤
J.Cole lyric about him wanting that "Jada and Will love" has aged like milk.
She had no intention of being saved
That is an on target analogy.
IDK, I'm glad to experienced that kind of love, even though it didn't last. I get their relationship - but I think this is my abusive upbringing showing. Dysfunctional love is the only love we know.
Like most of J Cole's lyrics.
@@thornybackwtf
This is one of the rare times where it’s not just a jada hate train, I’m so glad that you’re touching on this subject from such a different angle because the halo effect on Will Smith is so damn strong it’s ridiculous. They are both Hollywood weirdos.
we get it but clearly one of them is getting the effects more with people not minding their business and peering into their lives.
Jada is doing the hate train herself just divorce don’t make your partner miserable
@@spookieboogi6161 The fact that neither of them want a divorce is CRAZY to me. They really do deserve each other
@@spookieboogi6161The man can literally divorce herself himself and he isnt
It's simple, it's the hale effect mixed with misogyny. In black culture, we're very well aware that black ppl get attacked but the problem is, the black community then proceeds to throw all thier resources into protecting and defending the man while demonizing the woman
That was a brilliant video, very balanced and made me look ar their situation differently.
I learned a lot from this video. Top notch!
As someone who came from a family where both of my parents hurt each other in actions and words and still decided to stay together "for the children", I sympathize with the kids in this situation. It takes a toll on you mentally and emotionally having to deal with your parents marriage problems and it leaves a lasting impact into your adulthood when you're trying to figure out wtf a healthy relationship is supposed to be like.
My parents didn't have near the issues other couples had. But, nevertheless, I was much happier when they split. A lot of tension was relaxed. I still saw my dad often.
It has lead me to dislike the whole "stay together for the sake of the kids". You are not necessarily doing your kids any favors. Splitting can possibly be for the sake of the kids. Just don't assume one way or another.
There kids are well I to adulthood. They're staying because this somehow serves them.
K but the kids are now adults. I'm an adult now & I don't live with my ab*sive parents. I haven't talked to one of my parents in 8 years bc they don't deserve it.
@goober112 K. Good for you. Not everyone has the luxury to be able to leave that kind of toxic situation, even when they're already an adult. Some people lack the will or strength to leave because they feel obligated to their parents. Even though I'm sure Jaden and Willow have the means to move out, they're stars in their own right, maybe family expectations or their own motivations won't let them leave. It doesn't make the situation any less awkward and uncomfortable for them, having their parent's problems publicly known to this extent.
Don't waste your energy sympathizing with billionaires, they can afford the best therapies money will buy. Empathize with the kids who _can't_ take a spa weekend in Barbados to "clear their heads" everytime mommy and daddy have an explosive shouting match.
The fact that August was Jaden's friend and had a relationship with his mom is so deeply disturbing
I know it’s often talked about as friend, but I think Augustwas just helping Jaden with his music career. I think they were more acquaintances. And August was much older. But it’s more salacious to say Jada was with her sons friend, like some childhood kid. And damn, Will told August to go for it. They ( Will & Jada) weren’t even together. I think if it was Jadens “friend” Will would have thought of how his son felt. And there’s definitely more to Wills history with women as alluded during their red table talk. But Will cannot be seen as not perfect in his own eyes. He thought only a “happy marriage image” was good for HIS career. Seems he was much more selfish than we thought. I mean the wedding, the 40th party wasn’t for her, he admitted it was for him. I’m over the “poor Will” stuff. He got everything he wanted. The fantasy fake life.
it sort weird
Yes she went deep deep on him..in love…
@@phoenixgirl70August was 22 when him and jada slept together. She was 43. If this was a video about how a middle aged man had slept with his teenage daughters 22 year old "acquaintance" as you like to call it, your comment would be much much different. The mental gymnastics that women perform in order to excuse each others disgusting predatory behaviour is quite disturbing. When we all know you would have been super triggered if the genders were swapped 👌
Should see my mates mum...
I hate we gotta listen to their problems while we’re still broke. Like figure it out or gimme the money. Since when did we turn to their therapists
You did a good job with this video
Knowing the backstory now, this relationship was transactional from the very start.
Yes. Both narcs. Both incapable of honesty…honesty is needed for intimacy.
@@courtneyawalshwill at meast recognizes his faults it takes a while but he at least gets there Jada doesn't recognize anything except her own unhappiness
@@theoutsiderjess4869 That's very true. She doesn't accept that she played along with all of this stuff that she claimed made her so unhappy, or how she also did things that hurt Will and damaged their relationship.
If we are all honest with our own selves and relationships, whether failed or current....they are all transactional in some aspect....emotional, financial, sexual, it’s all bartering, which is transactional. It’s part of the human survival instinct. Except the emotional part is not. It’s exponential. We all have it to some degree no matter who we are or where we are it has occurred. The difference is that for the most part this shit is private. What they have done is vicious over sharing and it’s gross. We all have enough of our own to deal with, each of us and our stories is unique and if you find a space that is specific to sharing, whether that’s a person or people or group that has invited your sharing KEEP IT PRIVATE my god. The entire world has no use for this much information about these people! we will never know them in real life it’s tooooooo much too much. Thank you Patrick I love all of your content.
Right? I think Will twisted her arm a lot. He used her. And she really resents him for it
There's a new definition for narcissism in these two. The irony of refusing to get divorced for whatever moral or noble reasons they have, but carrying on in the actions to semi-destroy each other is incredible. At least the mask is finally off.
Will is literally a narcissist... He married for his own self, not out of love. That is all.
16:55 is _HILARIOUS!_ The way she signs that letter “Siempre.” That word means “Always” or “Forever” in a different language. The Marines put “Fi” after it, which means “LOYAL.” She stole the Marine motto, but neglected to put the “loyal” part of it, because she and will AREN’T loyal to one another. 😂
Even using a different language is ridiculous in and of itself. What a cringe tweet.
@@poweredman They're both narcissists. Will is an egomaniac. Jada is an eternal unsatisfied woman who stayed with a guy she was not happy with, then made her private life into a platform for attention. The only victims are their children.
@@poweredman well is jade not will and everyone knows that and you dont
@@anti-ethniccleansing465
First siempre is spanish, and sempre is italian.In both languages it means forever.
Semper fidelity or semper fi is on the other hand latin. It is similar to previously mentioned languages because put simply both of them developed from latin, they are roman languages. Latin has existed for centuries before spanish and italian. So if she did use either italian or spanish version, she didn't steel motto from the marines. The words are written slightly different. Also you can't "steal expressions" from others that's a ridiculous statement, like saying anyone using word other people use are stealing them. You don't own actual words.
This is the best deep dive I’ve seen on the Smith family.
Great video Patrick! I’m old enough to have seen this from the beginning, and it never made any damn sense. Wasn’t on Will’s side, wasn’t on Jada’s, both a$$holes - I just felt so sorry for the kids. Unconventional relationships are fine if you are happy and showing your kids how to love & respect someone. What on earth were they doing! 🙄 Embarrassing, & their kids have a mountain of confusion.
The fact that Jada was unhappy on her wedding day and Will was like "don't worry about it, she'll get over it" is a large screaming red flag that he only cared about what he wanted and that she should have walked right out of there before the ceremony started. I was always on Team Will and thought Jada was a narcissistic cow, but I see now they are as bad as each other. My feeling is that she had the "affair" with that young guy (August?) and talked about it in depth to Will's face as a way of her "punishing" him for making her get married when she clearly did not want to. Regardless, that is one very toxic relationship with two people who have very different perspectives and are constantly trying to get their own way at the expense of the other person.
She wasn't being touched by her husband. August made her feel alive again but that was taken from her again!!!
@@mimiquintero470nothing was taken from her,. She called that relationship an “entanglement” and didn’t even talk much about that poor kid who apparently fell in love with her.
She may have been unhappy but she did make the active decision to get married, not just for will but for her mother. I agree Will should not have married such a woman, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a red flag. They already had a baby conceived. Im sure marriage was pushed especially due to this reason back then. Also marriage for women in their twenties is even conventional now, so I’m sure she was feeling the pressures twenty something years ago. She probably thought she would regret it in the future if she didn’t get married then. Even now, there’s so many people in their 40s, 50s just constantly looking because they thought they didn’t want to get married when they were younger but changed their mind as they grew older. Jada’s a smart calculative woman,. She weighed out the pros and cons and marriage won. She was an unhappy bride, but marriage was her decision
@@Imokayluv there’s nothing “active” about being forced by all sides to marry someone that you don’t want to marry….
That’s like a man being forced to get married to a woman he got married
WiinterKitten Even if she were a man and Will was a woman, it would still be an active decision of an adult individual.
Wishing someone finds"That Will & Jada Love" went from a blessing to one of the darkest curses you can wish on someone 😂
J.Cole leaves that part out now at his concerts. 😂😂
Oh shhhh, you right
So once in a lifetime means Will has to compete with a dead man. No win situation
"whip my hair" was considered on the same level as "Friday" by Rebecca Black
Hahahahaha 😂
Don't marry a woman that hates you, don't marry a man that hates you, marry if you genuinely care about each other and making each other happy.
You're so right! And marry someone who is marrying for the right reasons
Ew..don't marry at all
Thank you for explaining how BOTH Jada and Will are at fault and not just Jada. I’m tired of people painting Jada as the villain and Will as the victim. Both of them are villains. Both of them are toxic people who made horrible decisions and chose to stay in a toxic marriage.
as much as I hate jada, its wild that will smith pressured her into marriage when she clearly didn't want it
I got myself hating solely on Jada bc I thought she was a manipulative wife. Turns out Will is a self-serving narcissist who isn't that much better of a spouse. No wonder she hates him deep inside. I would too if I was in her place.
@mariasafron7789 how are you pressured into marriage inswear to god you people act like women have no agency
@@seesee5363 no one is saying women have no agency, and in my comment it litterally says I dislike jada too. But you cant deny that REGARDLESS of whether she fell for the pressure or not, it still is very messed up of Will to pressure jada becuase he knew she wasnt comfortable
@mariasafron7789 so essentially " I don't like either but men bad so will at fault for everything and Jada has no agency and no other option than to be a manipulative pos and birth two children with this dude and half @ss raise them with the same bitterness and toxicity she has no chocie but to do it "
Luv your channel! 🎉❤
Very insightful. Idk what to say about it.
This is so interesting… truly, this is what happens when one tries to “change” another. A cautionary tale. While I feel bad for Will bc Jada is so obviously not wanting to be with him… he didn’t listen. He should have let her go and find a woman who wanted to be “a wife.” It’s just sad all around, for the both of them, and for the children. This was such a great overview. I want to read both of their memoirs now to see the different sides and points of view on this.
Watch Tasha K interview with his ex best friend
Why feel bad for him, he's the one who started all of this by pursuing her
I found this very interesting as well, glad I watched it. Not being on the same page as far as how they felt about marriage was a huge red flag. In those situations you do NOT get married. Neither of them ever really listened to each other.
you say that like she isn’t her own person and couldn’t have walked away.
Yes, let’s give the toxic, abusive celebrities more money.
they were the last couple that needed to be sharing their lives on social media
She really hates him
Will Smith killed Tupac
at around 7:15 - she is expressing how she hated having a wedding and he seems to think "ncoh, cute" and we wonder why she is so annoyed by him.
To be honest, I feel like 80% of this drama could've been mitigated, if we didn't live in a society that condemns any expression of ethical non-monogamy. Jada quite clearly doesn't fit this image as well as most people, and that's OKAY! If you prefer a polyamorous foundation, shoot for the stars - there are literally no rules to polyamory except open and honest communication. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that relationship dynamics, like every other aspect and dimension of our lives, presents itself on a spectrum. People fear what they do not understand & repress what they fear smh😒
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My parents stayed in a toxic marriage and it damaged my sister & I for life.
They're selfish for doing this to their kids.
my parents did aswell and only split up after all the damage was caused. i get no love from them. never have, never will. its a sad life knowing they regretted their own decisions but won't do anything to better the relationship. tough times. i hope you are doing well disco. god knows we both need it
I bet they had yall in mind with their decision ... it's easy to judge when you never walked a mile in their shoes
@@inmyOWN_world Someone smart oof these people man unless it is not bickering and fights infront of your kids it don't affect you everyone parents fight time to time lol
@RazorRamonMachismo My Dad would have my mum against the wall by her throat while she spat in his face and started screeching at him and clawing at his face when he let go.
I hid my little sister under the bed against the wall incase one of them came in and reached under the bed looking for someone to throw onto the bed and beat the living daylights out of.
My parents stayed together because they enjoyed the lavish lifestyle of both incomes.
Yep, those new cars and fancy appliances were worth every day of them hiding those bruises & scratches and lying about how one of their kids is mysteriously injured again...
My Dads dead now (he ended up on a pension long ago due to poor health) and my mother's in a care home due to stage 4 dementia.
She doesn't know who I am some days and when she does, she keeps asking me when Dad will be home from work tonight.
My sister and I lived like we were walking on eggshells our whole lives and they tried to blame US for their selfish choice? It would be laughable if my sister wasn't so incredibly damaged. I think being autistic protected me enough to help me function.
Saying you "stayed for the kids" can be a great cover story for "I'm a self centred, selfish person who now happens to have kids".
Not everyone is suffering in a bad relationship.
A parents job is to protect their children and they BOTH failed.
My sister and I have raised good kids at least, so that's something.
@inmyOWN_world My parents stayed together FOR MONEY.
Luxury items - not survival mind you.
My sister and I were abused daily - as well as watching them abuse each other.
Then we had to act normal in public.
You ever seen a telephone ripped out of a wall and thrown at someone's head? I was 8 years old and I had no idea that was possible.
My mum ducked it with ease and just threw her nail file off the coffee table at him.
It was almost like they ENJOYED the fights.
I just shoved my oblivious sister under the bed and told her to shut up because I might be a scrawny, little girl but at least they wouldn't reach for her after beating the daylights out of me.
My Dad died broke and my mums in a home with stage 4 dementia.
The money didn't last as long as they thought.
My mother might be alive but she's dead to my sister and I.
My sister actually blocked out our entire childhood, but at least with autism my long term memory is phenomenal so I can try and remember anything happy to tell her to give it back to her I guess.
That's not really what siblings should have to do for each other, but it's not like we could choose our parents.
Will seems to be the kind of person that is willing to be unhappy and miserable as long as he pleases other people, which in many cases, the other people is the media.
Its actually the opposite. Jada is the one who has allowed herself to appear to be the bad guy to save Will. For example, Jada wanted to announce that they were separated and had been since 2016 during the red table talk where they discussed the "entanglement" but Will wasn't ready. Jada went as "family" to the Oscars event, not as a spouse and Will hadn't referred to Jada as his wife for years before the slap. Jada was just as surprised about the slap as she was being called his wife.
It's almost as if they intended to raise two screwed-up children when the boy is named after his mother and the girl is named after her dad.
@@Noise_floorxxWill might be a narcissist or he might be taking the blame to make Jada happy. But Jada on the other hand is a compulsive liar. She wasn’t selling drugs at 14. She claimed her mom was an addict and she was a drug dealer. And then one day her drug addict mom comes to her and begs her to stop dealing drugs? Please! She also tried to say Tupac proposed to her the night he died even though he was engaged to Kidada Jones. I don’t trust a damn word that woman says. Tupac had know her for years but never made a move or even kissed Jada but he’s going to run off and quit Deathrow and marry Jada? 😂😂😂😂😂 She even claimed Tupac called her into going through marrying Will.😂😂😂 😂😂
Also I always thought Will was a reasonable dude but this video and the one I saw of him promoting Sick Ass Dubai (sick as in evil & awful) leads me to realize he's probably a jerk
I read that too
"getting married is all about what you CANT do because of some title..."
uhhh, whats that???? other dudes jada??? whatta joke this WHOLE thing is. Hollywood fakeness to the absolute max.
This is literally what could've happened to Diane and Mr. Peanut butter if they hadn't gotten divorced
Will is the boyfriend that won’t let you dump him. You tell him you don’t want him to his face and publicly and he just chuckles and thinks it’s a challenge. You let it play out because you’re slightly terrified he will snap when he realizes you’re serious.
Ok but like don't marry it 💀
And boy did he snap. How accurate!
He’s a loser, but she’s a narcissistic cow. Don’t excuse either one of them.
@@donotreply8979As said in the video and by her own admission she literally didn't want too. She was pressured into it while pregnant and anyone that knows a women who's been pregnant knows they can be extremely fragile (for lack of a better word) while pregnant and not always in the right headspace because they are literally making a human. They're tired and moody most days. It was not the right time for him to pressure her into marriage. Any decent person would have realised that and waited until after the pregnancy but he only thought of what he wanted and how people around him perceived him. Classic narcissistic person.
@@ripenip1980He had himself at the top of the list of priorities over her and his kids, what can you expect from someone like that.
“An entanglement?” Always gets me😅
Why was I about to comment that! I literally scrolled past your comment right after he said that. Lmaooooooooo.
Why she even say that it makes sounds like she cheated 😂
It's like she can't even be honest with herself and has to find a euphemism for what she did. Why not be accountable and call it what it really was. I think her moral compass is pointing south.
This is so excellent and profound
4:30
Speaking on behalf of dudes, not even dude wants to run their hand on a bowling ball 😂😂
Will: "there was a period mummy woke up and cried, 45 days straight..."
Everyone: 😂😂😂
Yeah, it’s SO funny. Not incredibly sad. 😒
it *is* funny, cause they're both megalomaniacal narcissists lmao
Its weird when he calls her mommy as if willow is a toddler. He's so contrived in an attempt to come off as this well put together family as if we can't see thru these cracks. It was cringe as is every time he speaks on their relationship. It's like he's always acting.
@JacquelynNhi It’s a habit. My husband still refers to me as mommy when he is speaking to our kids about me and I refer to him as daddy when I am talking to our kids about him. 🤷🏽♀️
@@JacquelynNhicalling her ‘mommy’ when it’s clearly not appropriate serves to erase her own personal identity. To him she’s the mother of his kids, that’s it.
When Will and Jada said "Bad marriage for life" I noped out of caring for either of them forever. Sad and pathetic.
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Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been trying to defend Jayda for years because I knew it wasn’t all of her. They both are a part of this and most of this would never occurred if will do not force her into a marriage, she did not want.
This video helped to clarify several things. Very thoughtful view that was considerate of both sides. It sounds like, even though Jada and Tupac may not have been romantic, but Jada definitely felt like she had wanted it to be that. It’s harder still when you lose that person, so she never got the chance to experience that with him, so her grief is stuck in the “what if” mode with Tupac. With Will, she found a stable, financially secure life, but Will’s ego also didn’t give her what she needed in a partner, spiritually or emotionally. As much as we would like to think that we should be satisfied with money and fame, I think we have endless examples that money and fame do not solve any problems. As strange as it seems, they have decided not to divorce, likely for public image and not having to divide the fortune. But they are still trying to figure out for themselves where this leaves them, since it’s not a common path. As the narrator says, it still does not seem like an attractive route for most couples. But they both seem determined to make this broken marriage work for them.
Patrick, you crushed it with this video. This is the most nuanced, unbiased take and I cant imagine the hours of journalism you had to do to make this video
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Calling this journalism is absolutely wild
I dont think this is unbiased at all but okay
This was really well written. Clean and concise. informative without any unnecessary filler or sensationalism. Thumbs up.
Still doesn't know the full story. And it's only on a hunch
coercion has never been an excuse for mistakes an adult makes
Moral of the story don’t choose someone who doesn’t want you like you want them
Exactly and don't force a woman to marry you 😂
Bro's a living L even with all that money
Also avoid narcissists at all cost 🙏 it's funny because I'm actually dealing with someone like Will right now, who won't stop texting me & trying to hang out after I've clearly told him I don't want to date him multiple times. I'm very high functioning autistic so I can't read people super well & I kinda went along with the friendship. Until he kept asking me out again & again & I could see how Jada might eventually succumb to it.
When we hung out he would say he needed to pay for eberything bc he had a full ride to college. Very narcissistic. & he showed up at my school trying to talk to me when he doesn't even go there.
Anyway that's my life story sorry that was tmi but he reminds me a bit of this situation
ouuu this was so good, legit so refreshing to see such a balanced & fair analysis about their equal contributions to the relationship instead of it just being 'jada bad' perspective. So well explained!
Yea I HATED Jada but now I'm like hey they both played a role in this
why hate someone you dont know for a reason you dont understand? our society just hates women i guess, carry on.
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Jada IS worse. Will was bad in the sense that he chose to ignore red flags and signals, but Jada went along with it instead of breaking it off because she benefitted from their fake marriage
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Yeah, same. It's odd coming out of this feeling like I'm more on Jada's side, even though it's clearly both their fault.
Listening to Will calling himself "a scientist" is so cringe and sad...
Thank you Patrick (if that is your name) for not using unnecessary profanity like so many other youtubers
This whole time I thought Jada was the only problem in that relationship. Wow.
Finally someone agrees with me
No. There relationship is as weird as they both are. Jada is just a predator and all around awful human being. Will just looks mild by comparison. He is awful to though.
They are both EQUALLY terrible. Jada is just overt while Will is covert
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@@TheVerbalAssassinFAFOthis actually a perfect assessment my g
People forget all narcissists aren’t visibly narcissistic
She still is…let me remind you will has never said anything negative about Jada till this day.ost if his intentions are good. Most women especially black women complain about what most black men don’t do. Will has overachieved as a black man when it comes to protecting, providing and loving his wife and kids.
Jada has always been really strange to me. The way she's constructed an entirely made up narrative about her relationship with Tupac is just insane. He was never as into her as she was into him. When she claimed he wanted to marry her, he was with a whole other woman that he was about to marry shortly before his death. Even to the point of trying to get her kids to treat Tupac like their father instead of Will. She's mentally unstable, to put it lightly.
She lied nonstop about her scientology school as well
@@Ukraineaissance2014She makes up so much shit to manipulate people, it doesn't even surprise me. Every time she opens her mouth, I don't believe a word of it. She couldn't even be honest when admitting the August situation.
Literally he was only in rykers for 4 weeks and his actual fiancé moved closer so she could see him. Apparently this is the time Will divorced his wife so she was with him. The time line doesn’t add up. I can’t believe she lied so hard
@@shanel4294She's out of her mind, I'm starting to think that she actually believes her lies.
It's a sub-culture where celebrities can get away with bad things for longer, or not suffer much at all. Look at R Kelly -- how many certain people still insist he's innocent? Same with Michael Jackson. Look at how 2pac went to prison for sexual assault yet he's still a black hero. It isn't like that in shall we say "mainstream" society but for others bad behaviour doesn't seem to matter at all.
I understand where Jada comes from, BUT there are some points to catch on, I got the feel that she treats Willow as a friend, like somehow she's around but Jaden isn't. She dated AUGUST and that's a BIG age gap. And finally I think they have and had enough money for her to build a carreer as both of their children.
What I see is a depressed and traumatized woman who never used her resourses wisely and divorcing Will nowadays, like, fully separating, It's giving up to her life style.
I mean he offered her the support she needed and she still is so blunt with him, any of them is perfect, but no one can deny that Will gave his life for his family and Willow is like this projection of Jada's ideas and then used as an argument. That's some nasty behavior.
She's the kind of people who became what she feard most.
19:06 "Uncouth primitive beings, I have REDEFINED what human relationships between couples are!" I nearly died laughing at this part
The fact that Will made the same mistake his character did in Hitch on Judas bday is absolutely hysterical
Perhaps he wasn't playing a character...Hitch was Will.
was good role playing
“Just call him smith cause he has lost the will” is crazy 😂😂
this video really struck me. ive loved a woman who didnt love me back as much as i loved her. i feel bad for them both in different aspects. its just all around sad. im glad im marrying a woman who loves me as much as i love her. who gives and takes as much as i and also understands were partners and nobody is "stuck". geeze imagine what my life could have become if the woman i once loved "gave in" to me wanting to be married. no thank you! i feel the most for their children, you can see the sadness on willows face trying to understand them both. 😢
I totally get this.I had a crazy unrequited love for a guy that I wanted to drag into a marriage. But thank god he said no and stood his ground rather than giving into it.He was my friend at the time and he never used me either. May god bless that man for having some common sense and basic human discipline cuz if not it would've ended much worse than Will and Jada. I'm still single after all but still I'm sure happy by myself going on my merryway.😊💫
P.S. The lesson I learned is always be in a place where I'm needed, loved, respected and cherished as much as I give in, even if it's a relationship or a job.🎉
And the fact that u can be the juiciest peach in the world and still there can be someone who hates peach.😅😅😅😅
So, don't take rejection personal, cuz sometimes it can be a blessing in disguise. 😊😊
I am here for the comment I once read “Jada was the only bullet Tupac dodged”
Both Will and Jada had abusive fathers. Wills father was extremely abusive to his mother. He once punched her in the face so hard that she spit up blood. Will was very young and not being able to protect his mother made him feel like a coward. He felt like he failed his mother. Will said his father was his hero but his father was also the source of his greatest pain. Will has had to work through a lot of childhood trauma just like Jada, who was abused by her father and then raised by a mother and step father who were functioning drug addicts. Will said he started to tell jokes and be entertaining because if his father was laughing then he wouldn’t hit his mother. That’s a lot of weight for a child.
Will deconstructs the persona “Will Smith” that he created initially to protect his mother in his TH-cam special “The Best Shape of My Life”. The Will Smith that he presents to the world is very funny, kind, entertaining and able to make a lot of money for himself and others. He realized that Will Smith, the persona, ignored and couldn’t even see the feelings of others. He realized that what helps him to be disciplined and good at his craft was a level of persistent control that was harming his wife and kids. In his TH-cam special he started working with a very good therapist to help him confront his issues.
Both Will and Jada are human. There is no villain in their story. They are now coming back together as healthier people just as they had always planned to do.
Thank you Patrick for making such a balanced video. The trend online is to paint Jada as a villain and Will as a simp when neither are accurate descriptions of who they are.
Absolutely spot on
Very beautifully put.Thank you.👌
I love how the video left all this out, I guess they ran out of time after painting Will as this airheaded egomaniac who was constantly forcing others to tow his line
Jada is definitely a villain.
This is all a bunch of crap. You just posted.
This relationship has always seemed off to me. I never bought into the perfect family/marriage image. Always felt odd toe how much people idolized their relationship
Same. Joyner Lucas’s song aged like spoiled milk
Because people didn't know what was happening behind closed doors. All they saw was a happy couple in a long-lasting relationship. In the black community, it was a big to see a successful marriage that can show representation.
Your relationship seems off lol! Worry about y'all own single lives
Maybe because Jada is wills beard?
Watch Tasha K recent interview about them
Great video
This just seems to be largely a matter of failing to end a relationship when its appropriate, and keeping your "foot in the door", or keeping someone "on the hook". When they get along, they are life partners - when they don't get along, they have been separated since 2016. Now they are caught in an abusive cycle, where the terms of their relationship haven't even been clear in a decade, more or less. They should stop trying to be deep about it, and just make a decision regarding their relationship status, and then go on with their lives.
Their relationship was toxic from day 1. They both ignored eachother's red flags
Wait hold up.. this actually changes so much. He and her family pressured her into marrying knowing damn well she never wanted that… she finally submits and Will prioritized himself before her and the kids, the birthday thing being about will and not her, didn’t pull any Hollywood strings to get her at least a consistent career… no wonder she became the witch she is, but it was cuz of will all along. He sharpened the sword that would kill him. Ain’t that poetic justice?
i respectfully disagree. this changes absolutely NOTHING. i've maintained the entire time that, besides the slap, the worst thing about all of this is that we know anything about it. i adore the fresh prince and i can't even look at it on screen anymore. the world truly was a slightly better place before i found out way too much about will smith's personal life.
@robertoso8796 what an utterly juvenile mindset
@@leahscontemporary yea because people are making videos about my sad fucked up personal life
@@robertoso8796So you don't disagree... You just wish it never came out and could still live with the Smiths on a pedestal in your head....
I see what you did at the end of your comment there.
I see Jada as the female version of Dave Dash.. broken over their dead lovers. If only she opened up to Will earlier and he let her heal instead of getting married to her. She's still finding herself and deserves to be unmarried. Will made a mistake by marrying the wrong woman
Well done
Their life would've been a lot easier if they had gotten divorced and co-parented like normal people!
also nobody would care cause they are celebrities
I disagree
Nope 😂 they were separated and see how much drama they had?
They need therapy
It’s quite impressive how open these people are about their problems so others can learn. At least something good in that situation
Yes 😢
Little to open for me bruhh😭🥴
I really do give them credit for that - I'm shocked actually that so many people take it as a license to look down on them even harder... as if they or people they love haven't made mistakes of the exact same magnitude.
@@dmtygmyt7635you watched this vid tho right?😂
the way they’re both able to talk about these things and take accountability for the things they did wrong is pretty impressive to me
It’s a shame what can happen when ego plays a big part in what you do
I keep feeling like this should be an example of how none of us really know what’s going on in anyone’s life. Not so that we can become jaded and assume the worst about everybody, but we can at least have a level playing field and stop elevating people.
There a reason one of the most widely accepted commandments is that thou shalt not judge. Not even a religious guy, just funny how much that one rings true
I've always said this, but you can never truly know _anyone._ It's why trust is so hard for me; anybody can pretend to be a good, wholesome person.
@@ZeroshikiThis is true, but you must learn to make better judgements of people and give people who you believe are good, the benefit of the doubt because no one is perfect and those who claim to be better people than they are, are always up to something (in my opinion). I used to have trust issues, but it taught me to be more observant of people. I know who to avoid and who to allow myself to begin trusting now, years later.
Good luck with everything. Trust issues are hard to deal with.
Hehe *jaded*
@@ZeroshikiBut that's literally expected of everybody to do. I'm not just gonna show you all the innards of my minds at first glance.
FYI, the drug dealing arc of Jada’s manga has never really been confirmed to be true. A lot of people from that neighborhood have questioned the validity of that claim of hers.
Complete bs 😂
Its complete BS. Even Tupac was a studio gangster. Theyre completely fake
I hurt myself sideyeing the drug dealer comment. Girl stop😅. If anything she was maybe a drug dealer girlfriend or pass around.
The drug dealing arc was the least believabl thing ever
imagine she posts a pic of her, 16, serving some rock😂
Will only slapped Chris because he thought: “What would Tupac do?”
Honestly I get what she’s saying when she says she had a close friendship with Tupac. I’ve had friendships so close people thought we were romantic but it never felt that way to us. I think sometimes (it’s very rare) that you can meet someone you connect with on a very deep, intimate level and it’s just not romantic in nature. Granted, I can’t speak to if that was their personal experience.
You know I've always hated Jada for disrespecting Will but after watching this video made me understand where she's coming from. Will is doing this to himself, he just has to accept that Jada has moved on and stop chasing her but knowing how big Will's ego is that's not going to happen but also that doesn't justify her publicly disrespecting big bro.
hate a women for disrespecting someone you dont even know? jeez our society really hates women. disgusting.
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Nah i still despise her she is constantly trying to embarass Will, is obsessed with pac and she could have broken up with will long before they had kids. Will obviously has a big ego However he actually loved her, she never loved him and wasn't honest with him which is why will does things like the slap in an attempt to win her affection which is why they're unofficially divorced
Dude she's still a massive pos.. It doesn't matter where you came from, if it be a bad place or anything. That shit don't define you. Your morals do and Jada doesn't seem to have a lot of them.. Like why didn't she want to marry somebody who loves her or even at that, tell them she didn't want to get married in the first place. Completely neglecting how snakey that is? Also.. She cheated on Will dude and justified that shit entirely! Nothing gives you the right to do that 😂 Like I've (and many) been cheated on and it was a dreadful, tearful experience. People who cheat don't have souls and that's evident from Jada herself.. She's a cheater, a liar, manipulative, unassociated and completely dire with her delusion. Stop with this bullshit.
She’s still a straight up narcissist