This Will Change 3d Printing Forever!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 เม.ย. 2024
- The revolution is coming!
Over the past few years, the 3d printing industry has been pretty stagnant with minor differences between machines and very little innovation. However, now one company has come along with something that is so much better than everything else, that it has shocked the rest of the 3d printing industry into action in a desperate bid to keep up or be rendered obsolete.
3d Printers mentioned in this video:
Bambu Lab X1
Creality K1
Qidi X-Smart 3 s.zbanx.com/r/a3wDYOP6SKjQ
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Snapmaker J1
Prusa XL
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It's so refreshing to watch a video on TH-cam that isn't stuffed to the brim with logos flying around to the tune of free to use music, introductory sections that last longer than the actual content and sponsorship/advertising plugs. This video gets straight down to business and delivers solid information in an engaging and well presented way. Nice work!
Great video. Thank you. 🙏 It is an exciting time for the industry to level up thanks to Bambu Labs.
I love my Bambu X1C and will be getting another soon (coming from a E5+).
Bambu has set the bar VERY high, not just the product, but also their entire ecosystem. I look forward to their larger machine, but also to see how the competition reacts & levels up. Happy making! 🙂👍
My nearly 10 year old Flashforge Dreamer is a core xy printer and has held up very well. It still requires bed levelling, though not very often. Only real issues are small print volume and limited heat range. I keep thinking about a new printer, but still haven't decided which - and now the news of much faster print speeds will probably keep me waiting. Thanks for the informative video.
The FlashForge Dreamer isn’t a Core XY printer. It’s an MB Structure printer. Drastically different mechanical design and operation.
@@Ferrous_Bueller not really sure what a “MB structure” printer is, but that printer looks like a traditional cartesian xy gantry with IDEX head and cantilever bed
Your printer both was not a core xy and did not have resonance compensation. Nothing like these machines.
Its simply a boxed typical cartesian with the bed doing z
This talk was so insightful that I stopped dreaming about the perfect printer and got back to real life
I worked for a company in the 1980s that manufactured a large A0 pen plotter. These were Core XY driven by a stainless steel drive band. very fast, very reliable, It's takes a long time for 3 D printing to catch up.
The only reason it took so long is because Stratasys is a patent N@zi and inhibited the development.
@@3dPrintingMillennial stratasys had nothing to do with corexy motion patents
I mean, in the early days, CoreXY was seen as a dumb dead end technology based on the problems with belt tensioning, belt stretch, and the rubber banding of the elasticity of belts. It's taken years for the voron community and timing belt manufacturers to work together to understand what was actually needed to make the coreXY technology viable. You see higher maintenance on belts and other associated parts on the coreXY motion systems, but for most of the hobbyist entry level stuff, you'll likely replace the printer with something new and shiny before belt wear becomes an appreciable issue.
For context, coreXY machines were some of the earliest ones, dating back to variants of the reprap mendel. They were rightly consigned to the dustbin for years, as the required parts wouldn't become practically available for quite some time. The industry moves in circles, as the enthusiasts explore dead end tech and find a new angle to work from, causing the companies to follow once enough of the engineering has been done for free to make it practical to clone an open source project and close it in.
Obviously, Bambu having DJI money and connections means they can turn out a cheaper machine than most, but their machines have worrying issues that various people noted and were working around on the bits and pieces of technology they've borrowed. My own FSR arrangement for bed probing and leveling was copied pretty much exactly, and the units of theirs I've seen in action have the exact same issues with their first layers. And I gave up on making that bit of kit work properly years ago.
Thank you, I have seen the bamboo lab around in Videos a lot bet never really knew what really makes it different to the standard 3d printers!
Very good and informative video. I've been following your 3d printing lessons, I like your style. Keep it up!
I will hold to my Ender 3 until this is more settled and then move to core xy if it proves to be the evolution.
I've learned a lot, still got a lot to learn and tinker with my bed slinger wonder.
Best regards
Thanks for a great overview of the next step for home 3d printing! I learned a lot.
Another great video from our master, been waiting for Ricky's review on this new technology. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Thank you for this video.
Without all that much noise? EVERYONE was talking about the Bambu!!!!
I'm looking for more variation in dual extruder models, it seems dissolvable supports is the only way to get quality underside overhangs
I’m am very happy with my support settings. Thomas rahm tree supports in Cura 5.3 Xmas alpha. Support interface enabled. Interface thickness 0.6mm. Interface density 80%. Z distance equal to layer height. Limit branch reach disabled. Works great.
@@TheGreatBrownBoy You can’t get a good finish no matter what your support settings are
@@11x11z11x11 bambu’s support are near as good as support can get. Use of AMS can enable a interface material, like PETG when printing PLA, that allow for completely flat overhangs, which is great!
However, not all filaments have a compatible interface material like this.
Great video as always Ricky as a original Kickstarter early bird of the Bambu labs X1-c with AMS (£800) I do love this printer its a game changer, But the low ender ender 3 still has a place for learning the basic knowledge of 3D printing, which you need when there are still so many variables materials models tolerances etc you have to have the understanding how resolve printing issues .I love making small things for use round the house as I need them, plaster board plugs, light switch spacers, silicon gun tube ends, bed slat retainers, brackets and boxes of all sizes 5 mins on tinkercad ,then less than a hour print its done its like having a DIY shop at home
Elegoo Neptune 3 has a configuration similar to Ender S1 Pro, but with the Ender 3 price. Ender has the only reason for the big community and the cheap upgrade and spare parts.
I think recommending an ender 3 is an awful idea. You simply don't need to learn a lot of what must be learned on those machines. It's not valuable knowledge. It would be like learning the intricacies of a old bad computer as if that would give you any insight into modern decent computers. You're much better off buying a decent machine and using it as a tool to learn what you actually want to learn and build what you actually want to build. Buying an ender 3 in the current year is a really bad descesion in every single case for every user. I usually dislike blanket statements, but this one I'm confident in.
Brilliant thanks for this. Just entering the hobby so will bear this in mind
Thanks! I've been looking at the new gen printers and sort of wanting one. I have a CR-10s Pro that I put a linear rail on the X and upgraded with a Biqu H2 head and it's been running great for about 2 years. As 90% of my prints are for prototyping custom car parts the build volume is important to me. When you said to wait and see how the next gen range goes I thought that's exactly what I need to do. While I want the faster speed I don't actually need it.
I have an Kickstarter X1C and close to 3000hrs printed over 10 months and no major issues. I follow a normal maintenance schedule of cleaning and greasing. (do not grease carbon rods) I swap out ptfe tubes if they are worn from abrasive filaments etc.
Unlike Qidi the Bambu lab carbon rods can be replaced. (less than $90) and most parts are available and reasonably priced.
I got away from the constant upgrades of the ender and the ridiculously slow speeds of my mk3s+. I just want to print and the current leader is making it easy as slice and print.
Like your presentation style, clear and concise, thanks for that. I'd be very interested in seeing you convert an S1 Pro using Sonic Pad and Prusa Slicer, no one seems to do a whole video covering the slicer settings to get max performance out of the upgrade.
Hi, I've done a whole video series with the Sonic Pad if you haven't seen it. I haven't yet released a Prusa slicer settings guide though. I'm hoping to do this soon.
@@RickyImpey Thanks for the tip, i'll get watching them now. Prusa slicer video would be very much appreciated, this is the area "getting it running after installation" I think most other videos leave out.
By far the best 3D printing channel on TH-cam! Learned so much keep up the good work.
Question 🙋🏻♂️
Would you go for the Bambu p1p or the K1?
Ooh, difficult as I haven't used either yet. My main concern with the K1 is that it could be rushed to market and need more testing before we know how it will perform long term. I think that, if I were buying, I might wait a little longer until reviewers you trust have got hold of one or you see some more reports from the community. Unfortunately there are quite a few reviewers who will agree to 'promote' a 3d printer before being sent one and, unless you know they are unbiased, you can never really know how good they really are. This is why I rarely get brand new printers to test, I never agree to 'promote', only give 100% honest reviews, good or bad and manufacturers don't want to risk me not liking it.
RE: Shipping --> Bed slingers are shipped disassembled usually because the shipping is cheaper and less labor intensive - core xy has little option and will be more to ship (larger volume). Prusa's MK platform comes completely assembled, for example, and is fine.
The 3D printing industry may be stagnant but your uploads are not! You were extremely helpful when I first started and I'm very glad to see you continuously upload and keep me in the loop. Thanks Mr.Impey!!!
Great video. I’ve been using a Raise3D Pro3 for over a year, which is an enclosed CoreXY printer. It’s an expensive machine but all of these features work great right out of the box and it effortlessly prints PC, ASA, TPU, etc. I sometimes have the nozzle at 300 and bed at 120. I haven’t tried a Bambi yet, but as you mentioned, I’m skeptical the speed really produces better parts. I’m always slowing my prints down to get stronger first layer adhesion and prints without any zits or errors.
Very interesting Rickey. I started 2D printing with a Flash forge Adventurer 3 which is a real work horse. It isn't the most developed of machines but it's reliable and produced good results but restricted by size. A further advantage is I have it connected to my my net work so sending print jobs from the slicer couldn't be easier. I thought long and hard about my second purchase. When the Creality Ender 5S1 and Sonic pad sold as a bundle I bought that. Yes it prints sort of. The quality is often poor and I'm less than satisfied with my purchase. If I take into consideration finished product my little old Flash forge beats it hands down. I did consider a Delta printer like the V400 as an alternative. My next printer will need a bit more capacity interims of size, I mainly use them to produce work aids jig and fixtures, for carpentry, and the odd vase to keep the wife happy. So a large framed printer with good connect ability with 300 x 300 x 300 would be ideal for me. Your content is always interesting. Thank you
Good Job. That was a very informative video.
It looks like micro a/c units could be useful here...
One or 2 details. Bambu didnt develop their own slicer. its a fork of prusaslicer. Also, the X1C actually leans very heavily on input shaping, because the print-head is actually quite heavy, not light, like you inferred. The benchmark for volumetric flow is far in advance of bambu, they are quite low and if they offered larger nozzles, they would actually struggle to push enough plastic. The benchmark for volumetric flow is up around 70mm^3/s, with new hotends from slice quoting up to 100.
"f they offered larger nozzles" you do know they have .6 and .8 hardened steel hotends right?
@@PLr1c3r you realise that isnt exactly large, right? Also you realise that the hotend is very flow limited and if you put a 0.8mm nozzle on it your max speed would be stupid slow, right?
Lovely insightful review Ricky!
@4:09 Your definition of a Core XY printer is mostly right, but it should only apply to the X & Y axes - for example, while the bed may move up and down (like you said), the bed could also not move at all while the gantry holding the X & Y axes moves up and down (like in the Voron 2.4).
To expand, you missed what actually defines a Core XY printer - the drive belts of the X & Y axes are interconnected, so if you only rotated one stepper motor the print head would travel diagonally in the XY plane. This means that although something like the Ender 5 may look like a Core XY printer, it is still a Cartesian printer.
Some very good points covered there mate.
When I go core xy, I’d be looking for two things.
1-large volume
2-To be able to klipperise it.
I’ll hang on to my money, and see what the manufacturers come out with in the next year or two.
Great video thank you; another issue is noise levels
Excellent review. Thanks and "hi from Argentina!"
Yes innovation in low end 3-D printers happens very slowly,,I’ve been eyeing the vision minor 22 it’s a bit more expensive but for my needs it’s worth it..
Excellent review
It's like buying a car. If the first model for a car has entered the market only time will tell to foresee all of the problems that will happen. For example look at Toyota Rav4 so many iterations later that the vehicle is one of the top family car. I would wait for a few years until my ender 3 S1 pro blows up with the sonic pad before I get a new printer. I am excited to see that happens in the future. I started 3D printing when makerbot was huge back in the day and I took a long 6 year break. A lot has changed. I think everyone in the future will have a 3D printer just like a dishwasher in everyone's home. Thank you for the videos and thank you for your Sonic Pad tutorial it helped me catch up with the changes in the market.
Nice video.. Well done !
Excellent video.
Thank you for your good explanation. Nearly swapped my ender 3 s1 pro to a bambulab x1. Now i keep em and wait :)
Glad you liked the video, thanks very much. Do you run a Sonic Pad on your S1 Pro? It can really boost the capabilities of your 3d printer by using Klipper to manage everything.
@@RickyImpey at the moment, i dont have one. Would you prefer the Sonic pad, or the Bigtreetech Klipper pad?
@@Benny1995007 I should be able to answer that in a couple of weeks, my pad 7 hasn't arrived yet but is close.
@@RickyImpey waiting for your test :)
In looking at "new" printers, it will be difficult to give up the build volume (not that I need or use it that much, but I "can") of my Creality-10S (with Marlin 2+). I rarely, if ever, use the rudimentary screen - always have my Mac attached using Simplify3D (v4.2 - refuse to pay for v5), and slice with Cura or Prusa.
Qidi looks as if they only ship from the UK. Do they have a North America-based distributor?
Great video! Thank you
Carbon rods will slowly damage the smooth metal rods and bearings too. I have to clean my metal rods and re-oil them a lot because the graphite/carbon dust sticks to them like a magnet.
I am 100% sure that these will never hit the $200 mark I could buy half a dozen printers for.
Really good explanation, and I'm glad to see consumer-oriented CoreXY machines hitting the market, although I want more of a hacking platform. For that reason my main printer is a Seckit SK-Tank. It's not what I would call consumer-oriented, but for somebody like me who is constantly switching out extruders, hotends and other parts, it's perfect. I'm looking forward to v2 which should be coming out sometime soon.
I'd not heard of the Seckit SK-Tank until your comment. Looking at it now, it looks like it has a very appropriate name. It's a beast! Interesting stuff, thanks.
Just retired from the military and have been looking at educating myself in new things. 3D printing looks amazing for what I want to look at doing
It's relatively cheap to get into. I started with an Ender 3v2 Neo. Cheap, but with a few extra features. They are easy to work on, best to watch a TH-cam video from one of the many 3d printing channels that shows how to set one up for the first time, as they need to be adjusted a little to get them running right, and then download a slicer and start printing. It's really quite easy. I prefer Cura as a slicer, it's fairly easy to use, but has tons of features if you dig deeper. I also think PLA+ is just plain better than normal PLA for most 3D prints, especially starting out. I'm pretty much addicted to using Esun PLA+. It prints very well, and it's really tough, not brittle like standard PLA. Save the other materials for after you get a handle on PLA, because they are more difficult, and often don't get nearly as good results, so I think you need a specific reason to use them. Plus a stock Ender isn't really meant to go up to those temps. Although, if you switch to a suitable nozzle, you can print Esun carbon fibre nylon PA6 on a stock Ender, because it prints between 240 and 260 degrees and carbon fibre nylon does not need an enclosure, unlike straight nylon. It's absolutely addictive, being able to model something on the computer, and a few hours later be holding it in your hands is a real buzz.
Somethings I haven't heard anyone talk about are, the smells generated during the printing process, the sounds generated and their volume, the energy costs for operating one of these printer machines for long periods of time due to the size of the item being printed. Going along with the smell, the ventilation needed to evacuate harmful fumes created by the melting print materials. The cost per item printed which would include time and materials. Is it really worth it to print a little trinket that cost more than its resale value per item?
I always thought that the greatest advantage of corexy was not having to manage and calibrate (input shaping), at high values of acceleration and speed, a print bed that possesses high and variable values of inertia.
Hey how do I start a startup in the 3d printing field? And is it a good choice for startup .
Already having issues with my X1C myself. Erroneous asks for cleaning on the carbon rails, constant faulty prints, slow customer service. Hoping to have them resolved soon. The printer was phenomenal for the first few months I had it.
Their customer service does need improvement. Better than the cheap os but worse than prusa. I will say though, h every product ever has duds, which is hard to keep in mind when its yours, but do remember that.
Carbon rails may become a consumable item. Bambu is selling replacements, but with regular cleaning, mine haven’t noticeably degraded in over six months of heavy use. If they needed to be replaced tomorrow, after all the printing I’ve done on this machine, I wouldn’t bat an eye.
It becomes a problem when manufacturers stop supporting old machines, Bambu is selling them now but in a few years when they newer printers out will that be the case, we just don't know.
@@schrodingerscat1863 certainly not unique to Bambu. And the step change in quality over the reprap class machines makes it a no brainer for me. My Bambu machines have already delivered enough value that if I had to scrap and buy new it would be worth it.
Great video thanks
the carbon on the X1 Carbon liner rail may be graphite from the bushing thar rides on the rail. the bushing has graphite imbedded as a lubricant instead of oil.
This was the best 3DP video ive ever seen in terms of making things actually easy to understand
so whats the future of larger-ish format printers like
Feels like 3d printing is moving into what 3d gaming pcs do now. You have your prebuilt brands that give a mixture of convenience and quality at a price but if you want get the best components your better off building your own from scratch. Wonder if more companies will start selling just the frames and you add in the electronics.
Nice thing about Klipper boards will be that they also open up an easy upgrade path for older systems.
For example, the Makerbase MKS SKIPR board is currently at around 90 bucks with taxes and the prices for that will come down as more options become available and component prices will get cheaper as the number of sales increases.
Nice video! New sub!
Rickey, thanks for such progressive news! Just bought around 3mnths ago Ender 3, now it's time to sell 😆
I own an Ender 5 S1 with Klipper that is a really good printer with a perfect firmware.
I decided to pre-ordere the K1, I recieved it, tried it but I think it will go back to Creality.
Why ?
-Uder Extrusion an clogs. Even slowly than my Ender 5 S1 it clogs when using PETG (My 5 S1 never clogged)
-Uder Extrusion even in PLA even with PTFE outside the chain, even with Volcano Nozzle.
-Firmware... It's running Creality OS (Somelike of Klipper lite for beginers), but, no way to set Pressure advance, no way to see bed mesh, no printer.cfg, no way to change Extrusion steps.
This printer could be great, but, there are too much mess.
You are right, people should wait before to buy. These printers aren't ready.
Interesting to hear your experience. I haven't got my hands on one yet so i'll have a got look at these issues when i do👍
@@RickyImpey i'm in contact whith Creality, but I don't think that i'll keep it. NBR on his Channel has Extrusion problems too (using a CHT Volcano Nozzle to avoid it).
Love my Bamboo X1 and Bamboo Handy let’s me watch my print from my iPhone. I’m not running a print farm so at most I’ll only need two X1.
Well, we saw such speeds and accelerations in both entry level and professional CNC milling machines. Mine has a Z-axis assembly that weights around 4-6kg, which is accelerated to 500mm/min at 2kmm/min. The Y axis gantry adds to that another 6kg, and moves just as quick. I could easily double the feedrate, but the router motor doesn't spin fast enough to remove material efficiently at those speeds. The keyword is "stiffness". The whole thing is very rigid, with thick linear bearings, bigger lead screw drive and bigger steppers. Yet it can achieve quite high degree of precision, usually limited by deflection and wear of tool....
I'm pretty sure I could make a 3D printer that would be limited only by flow rate of molten plastic. But it would weight 30-40kg. And would cost 2-3kUSD, which I don't have...
Looks like the future, but I think I'm going to stick with my CR-10 v3's for a while yet. Throwing my next $ into an 8k resin unit.
Hello, I would like to ask for your help. from now on the Sonic Pad was telling me to throw out the message Ender S1 abnormal heating and to turn off the printer. What could be the problem? thank you
Hey Ricky I’ve been having issues with my 3d printer not being square (ender 3 s1 pro) could you do a tutorial on how to square it? No matter what I do I can’t get it right do u have any tips?
He has that already. Go back and look for either his installation/build videos of his Ender or look at his bed leveling videos.
how about giving delta printers some shinelight, like the FLSun v400
Pardon my ignorance, but why is so much processing power needed to translate co-ordinates into moving 3 stepper motors? I know I'm over simplifying it but does a printer need that much power?
It’s the difference between interpreting the information for moving to 5 different coordinates a second and 50 different coordinates a second. It’s not a complex movement, just a lot more of them in a given timeframe.
Great answer, thanks 👍
These fast printers aren't just telling the machine to move. They are using input shaping, to push speeds while avoiding ringing, which are resonances that cause printing artifacts, and they are using trickery like pressure advance to essentially predict the behavior of the material in the nozzle to get more accurate extrusion through stops, starts, speed changes, and going around sharp corners. This stuff is resource intensive. As is just pushing more Gcode faster actually. Earlier Creality style boards, before they went 32 bit, were notorious for doing things like periodically leaving blobs on the surface of vase mode prints of you left power loss recovery on, because power loss recovery was causing the buffer that stores Gcode ready to be read would run out, leaving the machine waiting for more Gcode to continue. Faster processing is definitely an advantage.
How do they compare to existing CoreXY printers like SecKit for example.
Marlin is too cumbersome to make changes. Unless that changes, it will be left behind.
I just switched to klipper 3 weeks ago from marlin that i used for 3 years.
Wow!!! Klipper is a joy!! Faster, smarter and easier to use, ill never go back.
I spent years running my printer on crappy firmware as I didn't have the confidence to compile my own, then tiny machines brought out there own firmware and completey changed the way the printer ran and showed creality is just being lazy. Then moved to klipper on a sonicpad and it's now really easy. I even decided to change my mainboard which on marlin I would never do. Klipper is as easy as tweaking a config file which most board manufacturers have guides or even configs for. Had no issues. More companies should just leave the firmware as open source klipper
Ankermake did it before bambulab, and cheaper, where did you get the "only 1 company" from?
Comparing the Ankermake is a joke. It's a much slower bed singer from a shifty company with little support, brass nozzles and vapour ware multi filament
Currently selling my Ender 3 S1 Pro and Sonic Pad and also running a few prototype motorcycle ignition plates on my new Bambu Lab X1 Carbon. This thing is is amazing. Love love love it. It’s rekindled my love for 3D modeling and printing all over again. I don’t want my hobby to be ‘trying to get my printer to print well anymore’. Sonic pad was nice, but I kept getting connection issues and Creality support told me to change my USB cable from the one they supplied and then to reflash back to Marlin and back to Klipper and AGAIN when that didn’t fix it. Just got a notification on my phone, my prints finished :)
Carbon fibre rails might work with a metal or plastic outer surface. But running bearings directly on the Carbon fibre sounds like a recipe for mess and failure.
And, just like that, Elegoo somehow comes out with a bed-slinger that can do 250mm/s all day and stretch to 300mm/s while extruding if you're careful, running Klipper out of the box at £200-250. That's an incredible amount of performance for very little cash...it's worth getting one just to see if it _can_ .
Just ad he said in the video. The top speed doesn't matter nearly as much as the accelerations and volumetric flow. I bet you that when you bring up those numbers you suddenly start explaining the price difference. Very rarely do we print straight lines.
1:25 Getting used to no display on a 3D printer could slow down some things; have to log on to a Phone app, or boot up a computer and get on to the web. For me I don't like Touch Screens too much, e.g for adjusting, for example, z -up/down small amounts. Having to keep jabbing the touch screen but then take eyes off it because have to look at the gap between the nozzle and the bed for example my finger moves off the touch screen place; There should be less need for this with newer systems but I feel like as with SLR type cameras with auto focus, aperture, shutter speeds manual control there are times when it is still wanted to carry out more specialized photos. e.g. to make the image look a bit blurred in a picture to indicate speed, by slowing shutter spends down; Post of photos processing could take more time.
It's a conclusion car manufacturers are coming to, buttons and knobs are starting to make a comeback which beats the hell out of navigating down through three levels of touchscreen menu to turn off a heated seat.
I agree, touchscreens are great when you are looking at the screen but when your eyes need to be elsewhere then buttons are much better.
@@RickyImpey But how often do our eyes really need to be somewhere else on a printer? Doing Z-Axis adjustments (which I've never had to do on the Bambu but do all the time on other printers) and what else? Where else do we need to have dials because we're looking at something printing and need precise analog control?
Not trying to be a smart ass, really asking .
I really do not get this viewpoint. It's click and print The whole point is about needing less adjusting. I haven't had a single time I've needed to adjust something at the screen on my X1C, and for how I do interact, of course my pc will already be on as that's where the job comes from in the first place, so it's silly to suggest that it's extra work.
I build a voron and it is a workhorse!
Will you test the Kingroon KLP1?
I haven't been offered one. I think that they may not have been happy with my honest review of their KP3S Pro😬
you know some have been running their bambu printers for a year almost and still no problems with the CF rods
Same here. Got the printer in Aug 2022 and just follow a normal cleaning schedule. Prints are fine, parts are fine.
After seeing the carbon rod assembly for only $89 at the Bambu store with free XY belts, extruder motor, cutter and more, I bought my 3rd Bambu X1C. Best printer I've ever owned. It is amazing the speed and quality. All other 3d printers are just bad copies.
U sound like a bambu fanboy paid bot lmao
Can you review the pantheon hs3 mk2? Thanks
A few thoughts:
I feel people often miss why Bambulab was really successful. More than any printers before them, so many features make them easy to use and are automatic. Even klipperized Vorons have many more manual things to tune and setup.
Furthermore, I think everything can be said with the fact realities app has ads and Bambulabs app is just clean and to the point. The cheap clones are cheap clones because they don't value innovation and ship without testing or really thinking.
You no longer need to use the Creality app, there is now a jail break for the K1 to allow full access to Klipper to be able to use all Klipper client software like fluidd not just the Creality offerings. I think over time, depending on the reliability of the K1 hardware the Creality machine could become quite a compelling offering, especially given the price. Personally I wouldn't touch it for 6 months to wait for all the early bugs to be worked out.
@@schrodingerscat1863 I wouldn't give money to a company that makes a product so bad I need to jailbreak it along with all the other creality problems.
Well put. 3d printing does look like it is going the right way for people like me who like "Kiss Technology"
Thank you Bambu Labs. Though I think I'll upgrade my creality with a sonic pad before taking the xy core plunge. Also, let the bugs iron themselves out with all these new models. I'm not being an unpaid research and develooment bod!
Having said all that I very much look forward to owning one.
Thank you for such a fair and balanced overview. It is a matter that requires as much informative oversight as possible.
I have replaced an Ender 3 S1 Pro and Ender 3 S1, running off a Sonic Pad, with two Bambu P1P printers. There is no comparison. The Bambu printers just work, no tinkering or tweaking like I was often doing on the Ender printers.
@@johnguynn5212 If I had the budget I'd do the same. But I need to squeeze out all I can from what I have. A bondtech extruder and mosquito hotend have helped in both quality and range of materials...my FrankenEnder has been running without too much faff for a while now. It's just So. Damn. Slow.
@@larryfroot I fully understand budget. My Enders made enough money to pay for themselves AND buy their replacements. Had that not been the case, I wouldn't have two Bambu printers...or two printers at all. 🙂
@@johnguynn5212 I'm using mine to produce masters for silicone molds and using Jesmonite in the final castings. The results are looking pretty damn funky and are unique enough to generate a lot of interest. Hopefully I'll be joining you in Bambu Land sooner rather than later.
Do they need bolting down?
The reality is that like the personal computer market, proprietary machines are better than open source printers are now. In the beginning, we had to “roll” our own. But not anymore, unless you just like doing that. A proprietary machine and software will also be more integrated than open software/hardware. They will be easier to set up and use. Bamboo has shown that they will rapidly listen to their customers and put out upgrades. Nobody worries about proprietary with printers anymore, because they just work. As time goes on, we will see more proprietary machines and fewer open machines. That’s the way industry works. Right now, the Bamboo seems to be the best in the low to medium home price range. I’m sure others, such a Prusa will follow. They’ve already copied some features in their new model 4.
Five years from now the industry will be different. I’ve always found it amusing that open software and hardware mavens seem to think that’s the way things will go. They’ve never been right in the past, and they’re not right now. It will be, just as it us in the computer industry, a small corner of a large market.
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When manufacturers compete, the consumer wins!
4:44 carbon fiber is rigid. they would snap before they bent (as shown in that mini clip). it's a perfect upgrade. i feel like your take is faded.
I’m done with fdm printers, now I’m looking for resin printers cause quaility and print time
if they can get rid of bed leveling I'm sold. it's one of my least favorite things about printing. every 2-3 prints i have to reset. unless i have to take the plate off. then ofcourse i have to relevel every time.
And when is the K1 vs X1 video coming? Have already seen a lot, but can't wait for yours :-) Better yet, add an Ender 3 S1 pro with Sonic Pad and the party is complete. Thumbs up if you also want to see this review from Ricky. 😀
Well my Voron 2.4 has a 350 by 350 by 350 build volume so its definitely possible to create a printer with a huge build volume just not available to the mass public yet I have run a voron with a v6 and it works just not the best a Rapido or Mosquito will do much better
Yes, I'd love a Voron with a nice large build volume. One day....
Having competitors provide similar functionality as soon as someone innovates is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as there's differences in quality and/or price, consumers benefit from competition as the different companies try to become better to win customers instead of just resting on old IP monopolies and shit like that.
Interesting how the word “Bedslinger” has been chosen to describe CoreXYZ printing.
A negative word chosen to sway the market?
0548, the cube versus flat pack risks volumetric freight charges over actual weight. Fyi.
Another thing that may be spurring on fdm innovation is the fast rise of resin printers.
Id like to see a 2 part filament printer that extrudes a base of polymer and a hardener type epoxy polymer filament. Basically thermal fusion and chemical adhesion of layer lines to completley negate layer separation issues. Now that would be revolutionary.
I saw someone with something similar using a two part silicone. Early stages but people are working on this kind of thing.
Ricky really should have more subsribers this channel is great !
So you are saying get a bambu or wait
I wouldn’t fool creakily k1 when the Bambu p1p isn’t much more expensive and way more polished
Thanks to starting with ender 3 pro and paying the printer price on new parts to make it better. After 4 years i wanted to quit 3d printing it was still felt insanely bad,annoying, unreliable.
Since I have the p1p i don't even check the first layer. Sends to cloud and i leave to do what i want. It will work anyway.
I had more successful prints in a month than woth ender 3 pro in 4 years (the log says i have 60% of failed)
I learnt nothing new about 3d printing in this video!
Agreed this is a revolution, but Bambu didn’t start it.
Voron kickstarted this new wave of CoreXY printers.
While I don't disagree I see it in a similar sense like with reprap being the starting force and Creality brought it to the consumer market. Similar here is that Bambu brought a complete machine for a fair price to the standard consumer market. Vorons are amazing but many people just don't see themselves building one(Admittedly more and more are building one now that complete kits are more common)
Incorrect. You never came across a ready-to-print voron, haven’t you?
@@itayst they’re out there, you gotta look, but there out there
@@EvilSewnit nowhere as easy to find, tune and operate as bambu, which is the main reason they are so popular.
Source: i own two vorons.
To say voron Kickstarter it is to miss what the Bambulab actually did. It Kickstarter fast, bother free printing. I love open source printers, but klipper printers need a lot more tuning and adjustment than Bambulab printers and we haven't even talked about building them. In essence, I feel you've missed the difference that matters.
I'm just hoping that the Apple style walled garden and cloud dependency of the Bambu doesn't take over everything. I'm hoping but not optimistic when it's becoming increasingly difficult to find other consumer goods like cars, TVs and even light bulbs that don't data mine us and require subscriptions to keep them working.
Yet you post on TH-cam with your real name, and I bet you “own” a Facebook and instagram account
@@itayst Nope.
The Bambulab printers are not dependent on the cloud.
You can print with cloud, lan only, or sneakernet. (SD)
You can control the printer with bambu studio or orca slicer in LAN only mode.
And with a simple tweak you can use the camera with windows media player or OBS for streaming.
Voron inspired Bambu Labs.
Something I havent seen anyone cover regarding the wearing of carbon rods is the dust and the health implications, carbon dust + fans = a very dangerous envoiroment.
I held off buying an X1C as I wanted to see what was happening with the carbon rods, I asked a YTber who also runs X1C and P1P's in his print farm if he had noticed any slop in the bearings from wearing of those carbon rods, I did not receive a reply but nearly every other comment did, so! I am taking that as a big yes, Bamboo have now started selling replacement rods, I bet the people who told me there was no way they could be replaced are feeling a little foolish now.
My prediction for the K1 has come true, yes it looks nice but its a rushed pile of crap! but Creality have said they are fixing the issues, WOW that will be a first! They usually just leave it to the community.
Give it a year and I'll guarantee you the unpaid R&D team i.e. us will have found solutions for the current rough edges. The only question is whether it will be sensible to buy an old model and upgrade it in terms of cash and time spent or just buy a "K1 V2 Pro" or whatever they call the almost fixed factory version.
Tbh, i'm more bothered about how much it would cost to run, (electric and Materials) especially if I will be selling the finished product.