Really appreciate your videos as a new rider. Straight and to the point. I prefer efficiency and not needing to sift thru endless amounts of crap info to get to the good stuff. Thanks!
Just hard to pay that kind of premium for an item with a (sometimes extremely) limited life span. It's like buying a new tubliss system every few months depending on how you ride them.
I like jeff but jesus christ will someone talk him down from that uni bomber hair style hes been rocking for so long. Maybe it make him more aerodynamic who knows.
thanks jeff, i appreciate your straight, real world ,,common sense logic!! no b.s., i like it!!! nice shop, with that hair you should have a labratory , a lab coat and beaker from sesame street,,, your shop---- aka la-bor-a-tory ....... has some sweet gadgets!!!! keep up the good work, every video i watch of yours cost's me money, but makes riding awesome! bitter sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff, I ride tubless as well and have been since they inception, I'm up here in the PNW, and ride upper corner and canada, so I might be running 2-4 in rear, and 6-8 in front if its greasy, so my question are there specific mousse bibs that equate to tire pressue? Like I'm interested but don't want anything that feels like 10-12lbs in front or back, cheers, appreciate all your info!
I think the pro racers are putting time line on the mousses because I’ve had the same ones front and rear for 2 years, this year is the first time I took them out to clean and lube them and they look good for another year, I have all my holes and spoke nipples closed off so no water gets in, but some people just don’t like them, I’ve had no problems at all
I am interested on how well they hold up in rocky terrain, I have had two flats in the last 6 weeks with conventional tubes. In all the years of riding I can count the number of flats on one hand. The Michelin’s seem a bit soft for the kind of riding I am doing.
Great vid!! What flo orange plastics are on that bike? I'm considering either the Acerbis or Cycra Flo Orange.....thoughts/recommendations? Appreciate your help!!!
Not sure. Heat is the enemy for mousses and in Baja you have to get on some pavement (which creates heat) and 1200 is a lot of miles. They would probably get the job done BUT you would be rolling the dice a little. Sorry I don't have a better answer.
Jeff Slavens Thanks for the info sir. Thought I might try them because the guy leading the ride uses the Michelin bibs in all his rental bikes and has said he has had good luck with them. He said one of the reasons why he has had good luck with them is when they are on pavement they keep the speeds down under 50 mph.
Yes, Fasst Simple Solution to go with the Flexx handlebars. Cycra is a great brand but the CRM Ultras are long (which make them bend easily) and I don't care for the mounts. The regular Cycras with BRP mounts are much stronger.
I have three bikes. 300, 350, 450. I have 4 sets of rims. I have all four fronts with Mousse, one rear with Mousse. All currently Michelin, but moving to Nitro Mousse. I respect Mr. Slavens, but he's got no first hand experience. I have not experienced the "dead feel", I have had zero problems with not lubricating between rides, and I've ridden mine at 70mph plus at 107 degrees fahrenheit. I love TUbliss, and think Nuetech is an incredibly well run business, so I'm very curious to see how they work. According to Nuetech, the Nitro Mousse lasts longer, can handle heat better, and does better on pavement cornering, and has a "livelier" feel to them. Either way, I'm already sold on Mousse, and I'm only a recreational rider that puts 500 miles a month on my 3 bikes.
Dagster You've made a very big assumption when you state that I have no first hand experience. I've been in the MC industry for 46 years, worked for the KTM, Husqvarna, Suzuki and Yamaha factory teams and still work for Yamaha's off-road team. I've put many miles on bib mousses and had many conversations with the factory teams and retail consumers about mousses and the dead feel is a comment I have heard many times and have experienced "first hand". I never said the dead feel is a bad thing but it is something that some riders don't like yet others like the dead feel. My many years of experience gives me plenty of credibility when I say that Michelin mousses have a dead feel compared to tubes or TUbliss. I am not anti-mousse. There is a definite need for them in the racing world and many other applications but for what I do I prefer to run lower pressures for better compliance and increased traction. Also, I've never said that they must be lubed between rides but I have said that some guys do lube them between rides as do some of the factory teams. Friction and the resulting heat are the Kryptonite of bib mousses. Your comments are welcome and I'm glad you are putting miles on your scoots but the "first hand" comment is a bit out of line. No hard feelings, JS
I must have misunderstood. My apologies. A point I'd like to make about mousse and tubliss, is that they are technical products that are designed to make your life easier and more enjoyable on a motorcycle. A person could easily get their head caught up in the technical details, then get buyer aversion. TUbliss I've found has some rules you just shouldn't break, namely not being too low on rocks, but the mousse is as braindead a decision as there is. If you don't want to worry about flats and fiddling with psi etc, then mousse makes great sense for the recreational rider like me. I suggest folks "give em a try" and you'll probably find it's not so complicated and technical as it all sounded before you hit the trails.
I was just thinking that about the valve stem. I agree about the Michelins having a dead feel compared to the Nitro. For me, much easier to feel in the rear. Traction has always been good or better with the Michelins. I'd like to know if there is a weight difference. Not ready to try the tubeless yet. Thanks for the vids!
Jeff, I'm using the 120/110/18 shinko 505 cheater. I put the same size nitro mousse in and the bead didn't seat correctly. After a few hours the bead came completely off the bead on about halfway around the rim, made the rear end squirm around badly. The chart you speak of, is it available now? I'm wondering if that tire required a larger mousse? Thanks, love your vids
Hello Brent: The bead not seating correctly was a red flag that the mousse size was incorrect. We've had the sizing chart on our site for a few months >>>> slavensracing.com/wp-content/uploads/Nitromousse-Fitment-Chart-7-2018.pdf
@@brentking283 I'm finding that the tire chart isn't correct. I have the same issue you did. How did you figure out which was the right fit for your tire?
@@brianwilson1145 I ended up putting about 6 inch piece of old mousse in and forced the fit. When I changed tires I went with one size bigger mousse than was recommended and haven't had any more trouble since. IE 130 tire and 140 mousse, (IRC M5B) it's a bitch to mount but once the mousse breaks in it rides pretty plush. Not sure how it would work on the shinko
@@brentking283 when you said you ended up going a size bigger, did you go larger on the width or the tallness? I have a feeling that's what I'll have to do. I can't seem to get ahold of anyone at nutech.
Great video. I'm very interested in trying the nitro mousse. Perhaps a video on installation in the future would nice. Thinking they would be a PITA to install.
I would like to know your opinion on this idea. I'm thinking of running a nitro mousse in the front and a Michelin in the rear. I figured that the nitro would help keep the front end a bit more lively, and use the Michelin in the rear to absorb more of the impacts to stop it from getting to squirl when going over rock terrain. would like to know your opinion on this set up.
Brandon, If you are racing, mousses are the way to go because having a flat would kill your results. For trail riding I'm not a fan of giving up comfort, tire tread life and and traction so I use TUbliss. If you must use mousses, your plan sounds reasonable.
With mousses the PSI feel is a moving target because it changes all the time. However the Nitro maintain a consistent feel much longer than other brands. They claim a 13PSI feel but that depends on what tire you use it in.
I typically run a Dunlop D803 trials tire in the rear @ 10psi for my slow rocky north eastern single track, I've had great luck with UHD tubes and Tubliss. On my last ride I got a flat with the Tubliss and was able to plug it, but that tire is now not usable Tubliss (back to a UHD tube), since the plug really won't hold that well in that soft radial tire. The Nitro Mousse seems like a good product but will I loose the low pressure qualities that make the d803 work so well in my terrain? My other concern is some limited road use. We use short sections of road to connect single track, usually a couple of 2-3 mile stretches during the day with speeds around 45-50 mph. Is that a deal breaker with these?
Really appreciate your videos as a new rider. Straight and to the point. I prefer efficiency and not needing to sift thru endless amounts of crap info to get to the good stuff. Thanks!
The dirt bike mad scientist (that hair is awesome)
Hey Jeff, what do they weigh??
Just hard to pay that kind of premium for an item with a (sometimes extremely) limited life span. It's like buying a new tubliss system every few months depending on how you ride them.
First time I've actually seen Jeff and he looks nothing like how I imagined. He looks WAY more badass. Love it! =)
Come to Colorado and ride.
@@slaverace1 I'm gonna make it happen sometime! Definitely love to get out there... Save me a spot!
Jeff Bridges doppelganger?? haha
I like jeff but jesus christ will someone talk him down from that uni bomber hair style hes been rocking for so long. Maybe it make him more aerodynamic who knows.
kdog0623
Haven’t you heard of David and Goliath?
thanks jeff, i appreciate your straight, real world ,,common sense logic!! no b.s., i like it!!! nice shop, with that hair you should have a labratory , a lab coat and beaker from sesame street,,, your shop---- aka la-bor-a-tory ....... has some sweet gadgets!!!! keep up the good work, every video i watch of yours cost's me money, but makes riding awesome! bitter sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're welcome!
Nice job, Jeff. Thanks
if they're charged with nitrogen, air is already 78% nitrogen so would the extra 22% make a difference? kinda like nitrogen in car tires
Jeff, I ride tubless as well and have been since they inception, I'm up here in the PNW, and ride upper corner and canada, so I might be running 2-4 in rear, and 6-8 in front if its greasy, so my question are there specific mousse bibs that equate to tire pressue? Like I'm interested but don't want anything that feels like 10-12lbs in front or back, cheers, appreciate all your info!
I think the pro racers are putting time line on the mousses because I’ve had the same ones front and rear for 2 years, this year is the first time I took them out to clean and lube them and they look good for another year, I have all my holes and spoke nipples closed off so no water gets in, but some people just don’t like them, I’ve had no problems at all
I am interested on how well they hold up in rocky terrain, I have had two flats in the last 6 weeks with conventional tubes. In all the years of riding I can count the number of flats on one hand. The Michelin’s seem a bit soft for the kind of riding I am doing.
Are you afraid to cut your hair?
Might grow it to my ass.
Did you try riding with the mousse? everything they write on the web site is correct?
I don't use mousse. TUbliss.
Jeff any new news? Have you had a chance to try them back to back with Dunlop and Michelin bibs?
I don't test mousses because I don't use them.
Appreciate ya brother!!
Thank you.
Thanks for the video and I just called and talked to Kyle and ordered the new soft nitro mousse and can’t wait to try it , thanks again
Price compared to the Michelin?
Less expensive than Michelin. Prices on listed on our site.
Great vid!! What flo orange plastics are on that bike? I'm considering either the Acerbis or Cycra Flo Orange.....thoughts/recommendations? Appreciate your help!!!
I use Acerbis plactic but it is regular KTM orange, not Flo.
I am an intermediate trail rider I ride about every other weekend. What kind of life expectancy do you think I should expect from a front mousse?
If kept properly lubed, they will last for several tires.
Thanks for the info, I will check them out.
Should you add water during installation in addition to the lube? For longevity?
Jeff, I love the new video and layout! It looks so awesome!!!
Really informative review.
Thanks for the video, I'm interested in trying this.
Hey Jeff, Would the Nitro Mousse be a good option for a Baja ride? Going to ride the whole length Baja in like 8 days. Little Over 1200 miles. Thanks.
Not sure. Heat is the enemy for mousses and in Baja you have to get on some pavement (which creates heat) and 1200 is a lot of miles. They would probably get the job done BUT you would be rolling the dice a little. Sorry I don't have a better answer.
Jeff Slavens Thanks for the info sir. Thought I might try them because the guy leading the ride uses the Michelin bibs in all his rental bikes and has said he has had good luck with them. He said one of the reasons why he has had good luck with them is when they are on pavement they keep the speeds down under 50 mph.
Are those Fasst Company hand guards? Like them vs the Cycra Ultra Pros? Thoughts/recommentations? Always enjoy and appreciate your vids!!!
Yes, Fasst Simple Solution to go with the Flexx handlebars. Cycra is a great brand but the CRM Ultras are long (which make them bend easily) and I don't care for the mounts. The regular Cycras with BRP mounts are much stronger.
I have three bikes. 300, 350, 450. I have 4 sets of rims. I have all four fronts with Mousse, one rear with Mousse. All currently Michelin, but moving to Nitro Mousse. I respect Mr. Slavens, but he's got no first hand experience. I have not experienced the "dead feel", I have had zero problems with not lubricating between rides, and I've ridden mine at 70mph plus at 107 degrees fahrenheit. I love TUbliss, and think Nuetech is an incredibly well run business, so I'm very curious to see how they work. According to Nuetech, the Nitro Mousse lasts longer, can handle heat better, and does better on pavement cornering, and has a "livelier" feel to them. Either way, I'm already sold on Mousse, and I'm only a recreational rider that puts 500 miles a month on my 3 bikes.
Dagster
You've made a very big assumption when you state that I have no first hand experience. I've been in the MC industry for 46 years, worked for the KTM, Husqvarna, Suzuki and Yamaha factory teams and still work for Yamaha's off-road team. I've put many miles on bib mousses and had many conversations with the factory teams and retail consumers about mousses and the dead feel is a comment I have heard many times and have experienced "first hand". I never said the dead feel is a bad thing but it is something that some riders don't like yet others like the dead feel. My many years of experience gives me plenty of credibility when I say that Michelin mousses have a dead feel compared to tubes or TUbliss.
I am not anti-mousse. There is a definite need for them in the racing world and many other applications but for what I do I prefer to run lower pressures for better compliance and increased traction.
Also, I've never said that they must be lubed between rides but I have said that some guys do lube them between rides as do some of the factory teams. Friction and the resulting heat are the Kryptonite of bib mousses.
Your comments are welcome and I'm glad you are putting miles on your scoots but the "first hand" comment is a bit out of line.
No hard feelings,
JS
I must have misunderstood. My apologies. A point I'd like to make about mousse and tubliss, is that they are technical products that are designed to make your life easier and more enjoyable on a motorcycle. A person could easily get their head caught up in the technical details, then get buyer aversion. TUbliss I've found has some rules you just shouldn't break, namely not being too low on rocks, but the mousse is as braindead a decision as there is. If you don't want to worry about flats and fiddling with psi etc, then mousse makes great sense for the recreational rider like me. I suggest folks "give em a try" and you'll probably find it's not so complicated and technical as it all sounded before you hit the trails.
No apologies necessary.
Agreed, give them a try.
Keep up the good work, your videos are very helpful for noob and experienced both.
You guys advertise a liquid silicone mousse lube on your website. How does that hold up compared to the lube that comes with the mousse?
Both lubes have similar outcome. The silicone is easier to apply and some guys install a valve stem and inject it.
Thanks for the quick reply! It does seem like you could spray the silicone for easier application or saturate a sponge for the tire carcass.
I was just thinking that about the valve stem. I agree about the Michelins having a dead feel compared to the Nitro. For me, much easier to feel in the rear. Traction has always been good or better with the Michelins. I'd like to know if there is a weight difference. Not ready to try the tubeless yet. Thanks for the vids!
Jeff,
I'm using the 120/110/18 shinko 505 cheater. I put the same size nitro mousse in and the bead didn't seat correctly. After a few hours the bead came completely off the bead on about halfway around the rim, made the rear end squirm around badly. The chart you speak of, is it available now? I'm wondering if that tire required a larger mousse? Thanks, love your vids
Hello Brent:
The bead not seating correctly was a red flag that the mousse size was incorrect. We've had the sizing chart on our site for a few months >>>> slavensracing.com/wp-content/uploads/Nitromousse-Fitment-Chart-7-2018.pdf
@@slaverace1 thanks Jeff I'll look at the charts and get the proper mousse.
@@brentking283 I'm finding that the tire chart isn't correct. I have the same issue you did. How did you figure out which was the right fit for your tire?
@@brianwilson1145 I ended up putting about 6 inch piece of old mousse in and forced the fit. When I changed tires I went with one size bigger mousse than was recommended and haven't had any more trouble since. IE 130 tire and 140 mousse, (IRC M5B) it's a bitch to mount but once the mousse breaks in it rides pretty plush. Not sure how it would work on the shinko
@@brentking283 when you said you ended up going a size bigger, did you go larger on the width or the tallness? I have a feeling that's what I'll have to do. I can't seem to get ahold of anyone at nutech.
yes that sounds great
Time for a haircut Jeff. You're starting to look like The Dude! :P Seriously though, thanks for the info.
I'm growing it longer just for you.
Great video. I'm very interested in trying the nitro mousse. Perhaps a video on installation in the future would nice. Thinking they would be a PITA to install.
would be great to see what they look like after they are used...
I would like to know your opinion on this idea. I'm thinking of running a nitro mousse in the front and a Michelin in the rear. I figured that the nitro would help keep the front end a bit more lively, and use the Michelin in the rear to absorb more of the impacts to stop it from getting to squirl when going over rock terrain. would like to know your opinion on this set up.
Brandon,
If you are racing, mousses are the way to go because having a flat would kill your results. For trail riding I'm not a fan of giving up comfort, tire tread life and and traction so I use TUbliss. If you must use mousses, your plan sounds reasonable.
What does it feel like psi wise? Like a 12 psi tube? Or 14? Or 10? Thanks!
With mousses the PSI feel is a moving target because it changes all the time. However the Nitro maintain a consistent feel much longer than other brands. They claim a 13PSI feel but that depends on what tire you use it in.
I typically run a Dunlop D803 trials tire in the rear @ 10psi for my slow rocky north eastern single track, I've had great luck with UHD tubes and Tubliss. On my last ride I got a flat with the Tubliss and was able to plug it, but that tire is now not usable Tubliss (back to a UHD tube), since the plug really won't hold that well in that soft radial tire. The Nitro Mousse seems like a good product but will I loose the low pressure qualities that make the d803 work so well in my terrain? My other concern is some limited road use. We use short sections of road to connect single track, usually a couple of 2-3 mile stretches during the day with speeds around 45-50 mph. Is that a deal breaker with these?