VW Scirocco R vs Ford Focus RS - which is the hottest hatch? by autocar.co.uk

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  • Steve Sutcliffe compares the new Scirocco R to the Ford Focus RS. Read the full verdict and see the hi-res pics and full tech spec at www.autocar.co.... and www.autocar.co....

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  • @icsunonove72
    @icsunonove72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11 years later and the limited RSs are appreciating in value.
    Legendary cars that never become boring.

  • @1061shrink1061
    @1061shrink1061 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I actually compared a 2010 Scirocco R (as featured here) to a 1 year old Focus ST (current model). Ironically both were the same price, which gives a painful demonstration of how badly the ford depreciates, and now the VW retains its value. Hopping into the Scirocco, it felt well made, premium and the seating position was instantly superb. It was a great place to sit. The drive was confident, assured, and quiet when just driving around town. It turned into an animal on the open road. Compare that to the Focus ST, which by comparison (in spite of being some 4-5 years newer), felt old fashioned, and very very cheap inside. Lots of extremely low rent plastics absolutely everywhere. The dials were lit up like blackpool and the recaro's were frankly uncomfortable. It torque steered everywhere, even in 3rd gear, and just didn't feel all that planted on the road. I put my money where my mouth was and bought the Scirocco over the newer ST. I remain happy with that choice!

    • @oppanheimer
      @oppanheimer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I bought mine 4 years ago and still love it.

    • @masitraproductions977
      @masitraproductions977 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Two years later and the RS is a cult favourite and appreciating in value, meanwhile the scirocco has been completely forgotten about

    • @kaymac730
      @kaymac730 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Richie Crozier definitely. The RS’s are now collectors items while the R’s are still falling

    • @euanscotland
      @euanscotland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your comment deprecated faster than the VW.

  • @alienlivingform
    @alienlivingform 14 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Scirocco LOOKS AMAZING!!! It's one of my favorites

  • @bmancodgta4
    @bmancodgta4 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Scirocco is one of the best designs in the last couple years. What a great looking car

  • @Dawid150
    @Dawid150 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just bought scirocco R and I have to say that it's just freakin awesome! So fun to drive, everytime I get out of it, I want to comeback and drive somwhere again :)

  • @C01iNTT84
    @C01iNTT84 10 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The Focus RS just doesn't cut it for me, in my opinion it looks too vulgar and just screams out boy racer, buy one of these and you should expect to get pulled over by the cops on a regular basis. The Scirocco R on the other hand is sleek and sexy both inside and out, as a car should be. Tastefully designed to perfection. Well done VW

    • @BERGERJeah
      @BERGERJeah 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's the point of the RS, it's supposed to stand out. The VW is sleeker yes, but the RS says "I'm a fire breathing 310bhp fwd monster!" And it's looks do its part. If I want a hot hatch I want it to look hot too.

    • @iantownsend5480
      @iantownsend5480 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really I think the Scirocco R inside looks too much like a standard Scirocco. At least the RS stands out inside or out

    • @Matt13556
      @Matt13556 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Colin Heasley I'm 22 own a green rs, never been pulled over once in over a year of ownership

    • @quake2rulez
      @quake2rulez 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got mine Blue mk2 for 3 years now only 2 tickets 0 controls ;0 And i will not sell it I will get mk3 in 2 years time then the price will be good :)

  • @fullfist
    @fullfist 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wish VW would move the logo up to the hood for all the models, looks so much sexier and leaves the front looking sleek and elegant
    .

  • @JessShanahan
    @JessShanahan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Scirocco R looks great. I recently drove the new version of the basic model, can't wait to get my hands on the updated R later this year!

  • @reddevil70
    @reddevil70 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Scirocco looks loads better aswell ❤️

  • @SuperDigitalMe
    @SuperDigitalMe 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have the scirocco R from april 2012, i love that car with whole my heart, i have also DSG and the optional recaro bucket seats.
    Now i drive it on winter tyres with a cheap aluminium wheel lol
    Want to have my original 19 inch weels back under it :)

  • @charlesholzy
    @charlesholzy 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how he describes the steering as delicious!!

  • @adamdavis307
    @adamdavis307 9 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I have this Rocco but mine is an vw individual. Its amazing. But can I just say how your reviewing capabilities suck, while you get in the rs and while driving say the rs feels more exciting to drive than the vw. Then in your conclusion you say the vw wins because the Rocco is definitely more exciting to drive. Well which one is it man. Complete bogus reviewing skills. Shaking my head.

  • @M4rt_FX
    @M4rt_FX 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen 3 separate track tests comparing the Golf R V Scirocco R, everyone deemed the Scirocco the more involved, faster, better handling car. The Golf R under-steers a lot for a 4wd and weighs 130kg more... Scirocco doesn't need 4wd or Rwd, it out handles everything else in it's class other the the Megane RS. It's a pure drivers car. The WRX is 4wd and gets demolished on a track by the Scirocco and Megane RS.

  • @Tailpipe26
    @Tailpipe26 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine if they'd put in the Audi TT-RS's 5-cylinder engine in the Scirocco! As good as the Scirocco may be, everyone who's waiting for the Golf R is right. it's the car that we're all waiting for, so hurry up and give us a review of it. In the meantime, great videos Autocar, thanks!

  • @JordanSpecops123
    @JordanSpecops123 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From the front, the Scirocco R is one of the best looking cars on the market. Pretty fast, However I would still get it remapped if I bought one.

  • @ferrari430ss
    @ferrari430ss 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if the scirocco was rear wheel drive it will bee the perfect hot hatch...beautiful,fast and alot of fun

  • @BERGERJeah
    @BERGERJeah 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love all the RS built cars, now I'm finally getting my hands on the 2016 Focus RS! The AWD should put RS refinement to a whole new level!

  • @LuricRaja2
    @LuricRaja2 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    a nice car indeed and rare for sure. nice to hear you keep her in shape

  • @ers1027
    @ers1027 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well thats the first time ive ever heard steering of a car be called delicious. Love them both.

  • @oppanheimer
    @oppanheimer 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please bring the Scirocco down under to Australia as I will definitely buy one!

  • @darek4488
    @darek4488 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Love Focus RS and nothing's gonna change that (maybe except it's successor :D)

  • @joro353
    @joro353 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Germans did it again. As a Focus owner I love the car but the VW is so smooth and classy. It’s a perfect blend of comfort and power.

  • @glickle
    @glickle 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speed aside, The Ford still looks like boys-first-racer while the VW is a little more elegant. That Ford spoiler looks like something out of the nineties. I was expecting a shocker sticker too.

  • @CaptHotah
    @CaptHotah 9 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The RS doesn't look half as good as the Roc

    • @jacko9739
      @jacko9739 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A nice RS will set you back 20-25k the same scirocco can be bought for less thank 15m

  • @JazLFC1
    @JazLFC1 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not German but I think your cars are better than ours. From the UK.

  • @oppanheimer
    @oppanheimer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is a lot of fun believe me I have one and enjoy driving it as much as I can, I absolutely love it :)

  • @unclefreddie70
    @unclefreddie70 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    did i miss something? he said the ford had torque steer, felt cheap inside, and felt like he was sitting at a table while driving. then he acted like it was a surprise he picked the vw as the winner. the vw is the clear winner.

  • @superflea72
    @superflea72 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    why is the Mazda 3MPS never brought up in any of these hot hatch comparos? when mine was released (2007) there was barely anything that could touch it, yet it's largely forgotten...
    btw, that Scirroco is gorgeous, and quite possibly my next car :)

  • @Adigidingdong
    @Adigidingdong 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    SCIROCCO R is a beast of a car...
    Can't wait !!!

  • @acana79
    @acana79 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another well-educated answer from the folks in the States.

  • @jcfx13
    @jcfx13 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    this man is a black hole of charisma.

  • @AlloyDiesel
    @AlloyDiesel 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    my wife drives a Volvo XC-70 with the turbo 5. Even though its has the worst most boring automatic transmission in the world, every once in while, if you gun it just right, you can hear that great engine doing its thing and get a sense you are driving something cool.

  • @oppanheimer
    @oppanheimer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Scirocco R is so sexy; absolutely gorgeous!

  • @umi2366
    @umi2366 10 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Scirocco r thebesthothatch

  • @camaroman101
    @camaroman101 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    scirocco r, focus rs, punto abarth, brera. wish at least one of these could make it to the states

  • @Krucial8
    @Krucial8 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    both lush cars. but im in love with the scirocco!

  • @daizmiester
    @daizmiester 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look man, i gave my opinion from what I experience first hand since I'm studying here in the UK and that's what I observe around me. I don't make the steriotypes,.......i just see them, and judging from your reply, you prove my point

  • @Electrojudaz
    @Electrojudaz 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    iv'e driven both.
    1. the focus rs dosen't feel cheap
    2. also the scirocco has tourqesteer
    3. the delivery of grunt comes like a brute in the focus rs, not so in the scirocco r
    4. the scirocco r has higher running costs
    5. focus rs has more power
    conclusion :
    The focus rs is a punisher with a massive understatement, tornado-like sound and the feeling when hitting the pedal is just brutal. and it has much more bootspace xD
    i would take the focus rs every day over the scirocco r.

  • @SmokingSpeakers
    @SmokingSpeakers 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    thats exactly what the Golf R is, same engine, all wheel drive but it does lack the extreme styling

  • @ducand1
    @ducand1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    exact, but I don't know which one to choose, they are both superb cars

  • @1989rs500
    @1989rs500 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    yup purely agree with you, i started this comments because some users were blindly commenting like illitterates that Ford is waste and VW is the best, i just wantd to point out the insignificance of the video comparison, bothare good brands, Ford usually a VFM brand and VW a premium brand or a luxury brand and which 1 is better relies purely on priorities, so this video is utterly a single persons perspective and i cudnt accept the fact that gr8 website like autocar did such a comparison

  • @Elin48
    @Elin48 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    ray...I have to agree. I once owned the 1980 Scirocco and this car had a much better look. Why ruin a good design when improving hopefully other things.

  • @Ascendancy25
    @Ascendancy25 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both Scirocco R and Focus RS are unbelievably great cars. I personally would prefer the RS but thats just a matter of taste. The Scirocco looks amazing but the RS gives me that kind of rallye feeling.

  • @hooahayes
    @hooahayes 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @haloaum most quality surveys do not actually look specifically at engine reliability. They look at any issue the car is brought to the dealership for. I had an 85 Scirocco with 276,000 miles on it when I got it, drove it another 50k, crashed it and the engine still ran like a top.

  • @icsunonove72
    @icsunonove72 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your right, the Ford has 1 cylinder more, which means 25% more torque, and a much better power-band.

  • @rammstein67350
    @rammstein67350 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    the sirocco is possibly the sexiest car of the world

  • @gregfiesta1
    @gregfiesta1 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'll choose the scirocco

  • @DanielStevenMusic
    @DanielStevenMusic 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just so everyone knows, although it's a 'wimply little fwd' the Scirocco beats it's Golf R counterpart outright, regardless of the Golf R's Haldex AWD.

  • @Mast3rSkillz
    @Mast3rSkillz 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    btw this car has the FSI engine not the newer TSI engine this is because the K04 turbo is only compatible with the FSI

  • @elementluc
    @elementluc 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheAdrianBravo It's because of the LED's. They actually flash really fast, invisible for the human eye. With a camera, you have a certain amount of images per second. These are not in sync with the very quick flashing of the LED's, which causes the flickering image.

  • @ducand1
    @ducand1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are lucky to have her, man! I trust your word as you own this car. He's got a friend of mine but I have not had the pleasure of riding. I would have preferred not front wheel drive, for attitude, riding position, and distance from the road. It looks like a supercar, and the latter usually have a rear wheel drive or full. If manufacturers have built in this way, there will be a reason! :) There is always a Great car! Especially the R
    Sorry my english ;)

  • @stryyker9
    @stryyker9 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow i was admiring the countryside and the rainbow.

  • @livedeliciously
    @livedeliciously 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the look, but cut it out with the FWD. Leave that for the Golfs.

  • @smibru
    @smibru 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the previous videos with the Ford Focus RS the guy stated that it didn't have torque steer. Now he says it does. I don't know what to believe when he speaks. I like the way the VW looks but I would take the RS.

  • @simplyivan16
    @simplyivan16 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    God, it's a beauty, this Scirocco. Too bad we dont get it here in Canada. Otherwise, I'd would be my next car. I love them sporty hatches.

  • @bradstenton
    @bradstenton 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Focus RS all the way, what a beast of a car, we all know the vw is too refined, not a drivers car for sure

  • @Beolex
    @Beolex 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @theaznbboy865
    They aren't flashing, it's just when camcorders record LED lights they don't very well pick them up so it appears to be flashing but it's just a glitch with the camera lens.

  • @dombou70
    @dombou70 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Formula 1 car in the wet is exciting to drive, but I'd hardly say it's fun, when all you want to do is keep it ON the tarmac.
    It's all relative. Personally, I'd take the Scirocco.

  • @B18BEG6ick
    @B18BEG6ick 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @MadeOfCrazyWood Those are the LED's. The camera tends to capture these. You see these on the other VW/Audi when the do reviews on them.

  • @TheCarArchives96
    @TheCarArchives96 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    the engine on the 2008-present Volkswagen Scirocco
    Engine
    1.4 L TSI 122 PS (90 kW; 120 hp)
    1.4 L TSI BlueMotion Technology 122 PS (90 kW; 120 hp)
    1.4 L TSI 160 PS (118 kW; 158 hp)
    2.0 L TSI 210 PS (154 kW; 207 hp)
    2.0 L TDI 140 PS (103 kW; 138 hp)
    2.0 L TDI 170 PS (125 kW; 168 hp)

  • @kcirreb94
    @kcirreb94 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    BRING IT TO THE STATES PLEASE!!

  • @ImYourRealDad
    @ImYourRealDad 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will admit, I do prefer the Scirocco. It looks alot cooler than the RS. Don't get me wrong. The RS looks mad, but not cool!! And I've heard a number of accounts of poor build quality in the RS. Lots of rattles and squeaks and a journalist for Autocar saying how worried he was that every time he closed the RS's boot, he thought the spoiler was gonna fall off as it rattled that much!!

  • @Billpaok
    @Billpaok 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Scirocco ofc :-) ! love it

  • @pippomadrid
    @pippomadrid 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    BOTHare GREAT and BEAUTIFUL cars

  • @menaceman1000
    @menaceman1000 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    True, the FRS would handle more weight better, but you are missing something. When you have passengers in the car, you shouldn´t care about performance, you should care about getting them safe to your chosen destination. So testing them under those circumstances would be unnecessary.

  • @REVOonYT
    @REVOonYT 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @tigertank2 7:59min. with a Focus? That will be faster than a M3 or a Cayman S. The Ford understeers more (i saw it on the Ring)
    Thats the correct times for the Ring:
    Focus RS MKII: 8:26min. 305hp
    Scirocco R : 8:30min. 265hp
    VW Golf R: 8:23min. 270hp

  • @ducand1
    @ducand1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me too, but my friend owns this car, and goes very well. The fact is that I would have preferred to different wheel drive.

  • @bollwerkman
    @bollwerkman 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's because it's LED lights and I found them to flicker in videos. So no glitch there :)

  • @KajVO
    @KajVO 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    He says that the Scirocco R is just £26.000 ?! Around here (Denmark) it is 580.599DKK ( = £65.122) !! I really Hate the danish prices for cars. I'll move somewhere else soon!
    Oh, and the Focus RS 500 is 727.500DKK ( = £81.599) - For that kind of money I'd get an Aston Martin, FFS!

  • @jordanpolatol7983
    @jordanpolatol7983 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love this guy already

  • @LZeroJager
    @LZeroJager 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    True. Both brands make great cars just the vehicles compared should have been different. Completely agree

  • @Sunny279719
    @Sunny279719 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheAdrianBravo its the camera, its something about leds i think they turn on and off several times a second but we cant tell with out human eyes

  • @KoStY125
    @KoStY125 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:17 wooow , nice rainbow !

  • @AlternativeUses
    @AlternativeUses 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd go for the golf because of its AWD system. It's basically a Audi TTS

  • @bugattisteve
    @bugattisteve 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had a year long dilema with: audi s3, fucus rs, scirocco r. Test drove all of them and could NOT decide! Started to see alot of girls drive siroccos so that sort of ended that, s3 has been out too long and a new one will be released 2012'ish im used to german build quality and after the 5th fucus test drive didnt know if i'd be happy after a couple years with build quality and driving position... So now i have an order for the golf r! Best all rounder. Its a better handling s3 with better looks

  • @ericjhaber
    @ericjhaber 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    the scirocco would be such a hit in the usa!!!!

  • @Snirze
    @Snirze 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @haloaum On the contrary. I got both the new Golf and the new Scirocco, and they are they are very different in feel and style.
    While the Golf feels more like a family car with soft steering and calm driving, the scirocco feels more sporty with a more little harder steering, which is good for a sports car. Also the engine is not the same and the interior and feel of the cabin is also different.

  • @deano19801
    @deano19801 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    the scirocco looks ok but the focus rs is so much better looking

  • @wever333
    @wever333 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scirocco R any day of the week, it looks so much nicer then the Ford.
    all the Scirocco R needs is a step up Version (like Quattro for audi and the Superleggera with Lamborghini) so basically, a Version with all wheel drive and more power.
    Maybe, Scirocco R GT ?

  • @cuneytkale6612
    @cuneytkale6612 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Scirocco feels better

  • @SR0CC0
    @SR0CC0 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thumbs up for the Scirocco!

  • @KajVO
    @KajVO 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @dassekaka You know what, I've actually been considering trying out Sweden. Only been there once (for maybe 14 hours). But also because I'm currently studying to become a Mechanic and would like to build my own car some day and that just isn't possible in Denmark. But thanks for the somewhat invite :D

  • @1989rs500
    @1989rs500 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merry Christmas, Yes i agree with you, but does than mean VW is a winner in all senses,for a driving enthusiast FORD is better and the RS is a vehicle for them not for those who want all round feel, the RS and Scirocco shudnt be compared, since Scirocco is just a comfortable powerful good handling hatchback The RS is a true beast, its meant to be like that, so they shouldnt be all rounder so why compare a sports car with a luxury car with a sports engine and AWD

  • @TABRO284
    @TABRO284 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know why the Day running lights keep flashing? The Scirocco is an amazing car, one of the best looking cars of all time.
    It really winds me up how all TV presenters sit/lean on such nice cars :(

  • @kalle30
    @kalle30 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    tested an exactly the same yesterday (my mom is at vw so i get to test most of new cars).
    Anyway this car is amazing.
    I was thinking that coming from vw this is really extreme.
    For an example you cannot drive in the sportgear in the city becase it is way to aggressive.
    I can imagine how it felt in the 80:s getting in a Golf GTI and i felt that this is the GTI of the 2011...
    I will take it for a ride tomorrow and put an youtube..

  • @Manzancene
    @Manzancene 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    but which is better: Golf R vs. Sciorocco R??? Love Autocar Videos!

  • @MRacer001
    @MRacer001 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    while the focus rs is an incredibly good looking car, the scirocco is just a tad better in my mind

  • @Sturney
    @Sturney 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That would make it a 1 series competitor... bmw have nailed that sector atm.

  • @Mailme81
    @Mailme81 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Volkswagen R VS an RS Ford.. no contest. R FTW!

  • @AronHan
    @AronHan 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its delicious...! I like the looks of the VW, they really got the design right! Good job!

  • @cocorocks88
    @cocorocks88 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the scirocco R, it looks aggressive yet understated, i adore the whole front end of the car and love the way the bodywork around rear lights juts out at the side, the ford just looks too much like a boy racers car for me, i'd always be conscious of people looking at me and thinking "what a c**K"

  • @Butchcub75
    @Butchcub75 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @RickMartin7 I know, cant wait. Loved the Electric gold ST at the NAIAS

  • @TheSh4rK
    @TheSh4rK 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long Live the Scirocco

  • @LuricRaja2
    @LuricRaja2 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    True, what car do you drive? you know it's crazzy but Cuba still makes a lot of parts for the 80's cars. Yeah some cars are harder to find and parts for them are even more rare. all depends on the vehicle, nice thing abotu gm back in the day you could pretty much swap parts almost without major mods

  • @hahayouknowme33
    @hahayouknowme33 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love that road hes driving on

  • @Augustus222
    @Augustus222 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    LED lights somehow cant be captured on camera properly. This causes the blinking. Can be seen on many other viodeos.

  • @ianhamer3156
    @ianhamer3156 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love both cars, but on looks alone I like the Scirocco, there again I am a mature driver 😉, I just feel it would look good parked anywhere, be it at the Hilton or on supermarket car park 😀

  • @macsoldier1000
    @macsoldier1000 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish we could get the scirocco in the USA

  • @codyks3048
    @codyks3048 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the scirocco, but tht ford's exhaust is glorious

  • @JazLFC1
    @JazLFC1 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the Golf better but this car is worth it as well.