Anecdotally, something that may or may not factor into bringing a titan to the tabletop, you tend to get a psychological effect. I have a midsize game group of friends with a fairly wide variety of armies available, and while we tend to play more casually, its always interesting to see what happens when you bring out a big model. my wife's harridan is quite often a game changer, with it being able to drop a full squad of gargoyles with a winged prime leading for oc/secondaries, and then being able to drop an average of 18 s10 -3ap 3dam shots (the harridans cannons are 2x, not twin linked) on a big terminator block from halfway across the board is pretty goddamn terrifying.
I keep saying AdMech needs a Titan crawler that functions as a skitarii factory, essentially a necron reanimation protocol that's killable on the field.
One of the best things about the Gargantuan Squiggoth is that you cam use 'Ard as Nails for 1CP, giving it -1 to wound. When you're T13 with -1 to wound, who needs an invulnerable save. Does feel like youre under selling it a bit as it has been used in tournaments unlike most of these models. Also, dont fill it with boyz. Fill it with Nobz and Flash Gitz.
Exactly! I have witnessed, giddily, whole clusters of Dark Lances pattering off it to no effect. Doesn’t matter if your save is bad if you never have to roll it! Gretchin aren’t bad to put in there either. They’re soft, but also cheap, so you don’t commit many points beyond the base and can run them out in the midfield to squat on an objective and farm CP while your monster decimates the enemy Battleline. Absolute all-star in 10th!
I remember playing my first large multiple player game with titans. I brought a Hierophant and my one of my buddys on the other team brought his Baneblade - he was so excited to be able to play it. I got first turn and was able kill it in turn one with my Hierophant. I could tell he was pretty bummed about it - I felt so bad for him I let him at least get a full round of shooting in with it before it died.
A great sportsman! Apocalypse can see that happen, so my pals and I always set a Titan grace period for the first turn, where they must fire on other targets. It lets everyone get to use their big toys and still watch them blow chunks of things away! I have to say - I love my Hierophant as well! Very solid in tenth.
@@archiecolville4027 It's less good since ard as nails can't be used on monsters anymore. Now I fill the gargsquigs with 10 flash gitz, 2 meganobz and a solo beastboss. They tear everything up when they disembark.
I think the biggest Chaos weapons left are the Lord of Skulls, Lord Discordant, and Heldrake. And two of these are _desperately_ struggling to make themselves known in 10th. If that codex isn't kind, they could end up in legends themselves...
Disco lord and the Heldrake are DRASTICALLY over priced in points for what they bring. The disco lord is far worse this edition than he was in the last one. Don't even get me started on daemon engines not regening wounds anymore. GW has effectively neutered our faction in this edition.
@@SC1ENCEP1Eit won’t be weird I promise *slowly raises the camera to make sure you both are in frame while I take a sip form a comically large swirly straw thats in a big cup filled with soda.
The Tau have always suffered some weird gameplay and story segregation. I think the spotting thing is a relic of the fact that where other factions are typically playing, like, a WWI or even Napoleonic sort of gameplan, the Tau are WWII, high mobility combined arms.
It’s also hilarious to me that the Tau are lore wise this rapid movement, strike and fade, ambush doctrine But I can only succeed with them on tabletop by going for a rolling thunder slow push artillery style, the complete opposite. That’s probably just me though
@@deathtrooper9003 That sounds like you would make a good IG player and Oddly the Imperial guard are good at the rapid movement, strike and fade and ambush doctrine better than the tau at times if using the camo nets and strategems and of course the old Scout Warhound/Baneblade can't forget that. Of course some factions do it better but the IG can pull it off and that is just fits their lore of regiments having their own expertise.
@@deathtrooper9003 I play all stealth and mobile. 4 Piranhas, Coldstar, Shadowsun, 3 Ghostkeels, 18 Stealth Suits, maxed out Vespid and 2 reactive Devilfish with Breachers ready to respond to which objective takes the early heat. I am undefeated in 10th, and the only times I've come close to a draw or loss was against Necrons. This is just local level, but still. We have a lot of veteran players here and I've been comfortable this edition. That said, this is how I've *always* played Tau, ever since 3rd (except I used to use Hammerheads) so I'm very adept at the style and this edition is the best fit for it ever.
the thunderhawk i have i built from scratch myself cuz i wanted one in 2019 and couldn't afford the thing from the site. in the game i debuted it no one was ready and it did a lot of damage
For the gargantuan squiggoth you are able to use the 'ard as nails -1 to wound stratagem on it putting lascannons to wounding on a 6 and this also affects weapons with the anti-monster keyword.
Unfortunately -1 to wound does not affect the “anti” key word. Anti- monster and others go off of unmodified dice rolls so it doesn’t matter if you are subtracting 1 from a roll, an anti-monster 2 will still wound on a 2.
I have played all the Nid super bugs in tenth, and the Hierophant has impressed me a great deal. It scares the daylights out of the enemy, and usually draws all their fire in the first turn. With 5+ FNP in Invasion Fleet, it is more than capable of tanking the fire of a whole army. It pairs super well with the Neurotyrant as well, preying on battle shocked units. The Gargantuan Squiggoth has also been an all-star this edition. T13, 3+ save isn’t the best, but 440 is the same cost as a Knight Atrapos, and its melee is WICKED. Beyond that, ‘Ard As Nails stratagem is utterly disgusting with it. Dark Lances? Lascannons? Basically raindrops. I’ve had it tank stupid volumes of firepower. A very fun toy!
As not an ork player at all, I must admit that it is, indeed, sick. (I'm actually a t'au player, and I just want the Greater Knarlock back so we can have a dinosaur showdown.)
One of the armies I play is Necrons, one of the original “titan” weapons for them was a couple monolith formations. Both basically A huge block of 9, 3by3. I used to have 18 of them to field both 🤮. Down to 15 and bits. As well as 2 pylons, a fortification base and a seraptek…
I've run a taunar this edition in a team game, in a sort of T'au "knight" list. It was accompanied by longstrike, a stormsurge, two riptides, a ghostkeel and shadowsun for rerolls. Not competitive in the slightest but it does make your opponent sweat bullets.
7:55 Comparison a friend and I talked about comparing the different astra militarum planes in their infantry support rolls: The Valkyrie is an AH-64 Apache. Transport and close fire support with big guns. "Don't run from the Valkyrie, you'll only die tired" The Avenger is an A-10 Warthog. Big tank killing guns for fast fire support. "BRRRRRRRT!" The Marauder Destroyer is a C-130 Hercules Gunship. Lots of sustained close fire support.
As someone who has a Seraptek, that is a model that is teeters very close to the edge of competitive, and she probably would be at her original 470 point cost. Put her in the Awakened Dynasty with a Technomancer and the +1 to hit enhancement somewhere nearby, and watch the carnage. The Singularity Generators will wipe out an entire brick of Terminators in an instant, and she's devastating in melee too. I ran her at an RTT with index crons and she massacred 800 points of orks by herself. If she gets a points cut at some point, I guarantee she'll see play
There is almost not a single tau model I like, but their titan is one of Forgeworld finest models. my fav is the fellblade. Own a warhound (though its a bit broken. the resin caved and he's the hunchback of Notre Dam even after a fix), want a warlord. settled for a titanicus one in the meantime
Hitting the table this weekend in a 6k a side game with my TX-9 Whaleshark Superheavy Tank counts as a Taunar Battlesuit! First time fielding this beauty! Great video AT!
Had a match against an Ork player that brings the Gargantuan Squiggoth yesterday. Needless to say, seeing that thing casually destroying my dreadnoughts with just one or two hits was pretty rough. With Ard' as Nails, that makes most weapons wound it on 6s and any S14 or above weapons (which usually has low number of attacks) wound him on 4s.
Man, there will never be a day when the existance of the Manta doesn't make me chuckle. Like, seriously, titans, as ridicoulus as they are, they make sense to produce - they are iconic, and even if they are well outside your pricing range and modelling/painting capabilities, you'd still want one. But Manta? A giant transport for a rather niche faction? Who the hell greenlit this? I am not even angry, just confused and concerned.
I have an Astraeus for Deathwatch. The biggest buff GW could give it is increasing the AP on the main gun to -3 from -1, or make it T13, outside of bringing down the points to an even 500.
It and the Hierophant are great! That said, if you want to have the same effect in greater volume or in smaller games, Tyrannofexes are ghastly in this edition! The Rupture Cannons are exquisite.
Lore-wise we probably shouldn't get one. Necrons just don't work that way doctrine wise. There were some ideas back in the day for it, like the Abettoir, but that was never followed up on. Given the Necron's judicious use of teleportation, it makes more sense for them to just mount a big freaking gun (like, starship grade weaponry) on something they can teleport and just warp the weapon into a firing lane against an enemy titan and then just blow said titan to hell.
The Astreus deserves better than being an overpriced (both in game and irl) hunk of resin. It’s such a cool design! And maybe, if we get Epic 40k again, we could get a micro/plastic version?
Orks should get a new (bigger) gargant kit to compete with imperial titans, just make it do 30 damage if it uses careen, there you go enemy titan is probably dead and the orks are happy that their big boom caused another big boom.
IMO there's such an enormous spread of quality on those both in design and execution. The Imperium's Titans together with tyranids are just in a league of their own there. Many of the others just seem like upscales of the smaller models. I can forgive the Tau because of the coolness factor of putting more guns on bigger mech (though it could do with some design adaptations to suit that) but the Eldar construct just looks like a first draft and lacks any sense of scale.
I just want Ta'unar Supremact Armors to get a points reduction and the battlesuit keyword. They got nerfed because Eldar and Knights abused the Titanic rules and got hit by the indirect nerfs because it has 2 SMS. 700 points and the ability to use Stim Injectors would make it almost as good as some of the meta Tau units.
Sadly, under current rules (the guiding rule being so punishing if you split your shots), t'au super-heavies are destined to struggle unless they're facing some similarly enormous units that deserve their entire firepower...
having played against the supremacy armour, i will say, for 790 points it does do a very good job of making the entire game revolve around it. which i think is how you want a model like that to feel, even if it isn't the most efficient thing in the index. still impressed i managed to poke it to death with my grey knights
Ta'unar are actually one of the few models I don't think want Tetras. They already get hit rerolls on 1s when guided with their own ability, and with the heavy keyword on the rail cannon, it's effectively 2+, so Stealth Battlesuits giving it the wound rerolls on 1s, it means it's practically guaranteed to both hit and wound. If you have enough points for more observers, Tetras or Pathfinders wouldn't be a bad idea for split-fire options though, but even then the Tetras ability only matters when rolling a 2, so Pathfinders might still be the more efficient secondary option.
Nobody asked, and but here I am: As others have mentioned (I see you DerrickTitley), when you drop a Titan into a regular game (or larger game if not possible), there is very much a psychological effect. When I brought a Warhound into my escalation League (only did so if the opponent was comfortable with it, otherwise I brought in regular guard along) every time the opponent would be intimidated by the sheer size of it, the T13, and 40 Wounds made it seem unstoppable. People would think the match is unwinnable, and I'd have to convince *them* to try and fight it, because in all honestly, the Warhound at 1100 points is viable for casual, and pretty terrible for a competitive match. It's essentially just a tanky Castellan... for 1100 points. It is objectively better to bring 2x Castellans, save 50 points, and have roughly 1.6x the damage output, if you're rotating ion shields, roughly 1.5x the durability, 2 models, the ability to split fire, etc. Then you get into the mess of indirect nerfs that 9e and 10e brought, i.e. the heavy use of ample terrain basically restricts the usage of Titans in general. Many titans basically just aren't allowed to move (not that you want to move some of them *glances at the Warlord*) The funniest (and most tragic) moment was in the first match I played with the Warhound, Morven Hall got into melee with it and dealt something around 28 wounds to it in a single turn. I went from 36 hitpoints, to 8 and was bracketed immediately. The Warhound was dead Turn 3 and if it wasn't for the fact that I held some early objectives, the gap in victory points would've been greater (54 to 70, I ran the gambit because after the Warhound went down, it was impossible to get any more victory points, so I had to roll an 11 or higher, rolled a 9. I lost.) But from my perspective (Note: all titans are "poor" in terms of performance per point. This "perspective" is accrued from playing multiple 5k+ point games and apocalypse games, and how these titans have faired in a real game under different conditions, so this is more of "compared to other big things" how useful these models are, because ultimately, if you're enemy has a 1000+ pt Titan, spamming Shadowswords is by far the best solution.): Warlord: Is useable at 3500 points but poor competitively. Was trash in 9th with 5000 point cost, and utterly useless in 8th ed with 10,000 point cost. I love GW's for trying to allow fun large models to not be completely terrible. Simply doesn't have enough quantity of firepower to justify it's usage unless you get the Apoc Missile Launchers, and even then... But very fun to fight! Reiver: Actually not bad! Warbringer: I have no idea, no experience with it. Warhound: Actually not bad! Thunderhawk: Pretty decent all things considered. Flyers usually their rules don't shine that much and when you stack "Titan" on it it only gets worse, but it's a transport with decent firepower and decent durability. Per point? Trash, but casual play? Pretty good! Remember, many people actually use it as a transport, and cram it full of terminators with power fists who charge out turn 2 and do some pretty devastating dmg... If they survive that long, putting terminators into it and treating as a transport becomes a high priority target, so the model is really only usable in 5k vs 5k (or greater) battles. Stormbird: Same as the Thunderhawk, except no clusterbombs in exchange for the rest of the rules being significantly improved for an additional ~200 points, and arguably the best Ranged Titan Flyer in the game atm. Astraeus: Almost competitive! Very nice! Mastadon: Not competitive at all, but not bad! Marauder Bomber: Clearly needs a buff. If I was to face one in game, I'd tell the other player he is free to choose between bombs every drop, and drop it's points to 300. We're basically retired competitive players, it's in a very rough spot. We play for fun, so no needs to get our knickers in a buch. Stormblade: Not bad! Being so cheap makes it borderline competitive. Knight Asterius: Honestly, it's mortar is pretty good. Anti-Infantry 2+ basically marks everyone short of Primarchs to be a 2+, but like everything it has, it is lacking (AP-1 makes it mediocre, AP-2 from big cannons is underwhelming, especially as most tanks and heavy fortifications have 2+ save, with some having a 2++ either due to rules, or cover, i.e. save on a 3+). Just get the Knight Porphyrion :) older kit, much nicer model imho. Ares Gunship: One of the best Titan flyers in the game, probably the 2nd best ranged flying Titan. Genuinely a pleasure to see one. Low-ish points cost, high durability for a titan flyer, high firepower and bombing rules = nothing to sneeze at. It's magna blaze cannon (in play) I've seen typically far outdamages the entire kit of the Asterius on big models (Titans typically face Titans), and the model is a flyer (typically lower durability in exchange for LoS and movement) at a 33% reduction in points. Land Raider Banisher: Unfortunately terrible, but it won't affect gameplay at only 255 pts Brass Scorpion: I've only seen it in play once in 8e, it absolutely destroyed the enemy Grey Knights and it's stat profile (all things considered) hasn't change too much. Considering how powerful Dark Pacts have affected 10e, I think that played well, it could borderline be competitive. But ultimately, things such as terrain gatekeep it currently. Phantom Titan: I fought one twice before, I think it used to be about 3500 points? At 2100 points and similar stats, it seems useable. The only downside is it's comparatively short range and lack of anti-horde (in large scale battles, Space Marines become "Horde" mind you). On a regular board, no problem for range, but melee destroys it. Suffers the same fate of a Warlord. Revenant Titan: Actually useable due to far fewer points! Gargantuan Squiggoth: Fought once before before the player moved out of state. It's a tanky bugger, and quite good especially for it's points cost. The guy had 2 of them! Only reason I don't see more of them is honestly probably the price tag at Admech level pricing (Most titans are usually around $1 for 1.5 points in general, but this model is $1 for 0.92 points) Supremacy Suit: F this model (one of the best ranged titans imho, standing close to Shadowsword spam and Porphy), especially in 8e and 9e. Just cover it in shield drones and laugh incessantly. Point for point, nearly as good as a Castellan, so it's definitely useable, but once you start swarming the thing in shield drones, don't know the current state of Tau shield drones 10e (I believe they're free, but only grant an additional wound to the model, and you only get some free ones if your a certain sept or detachment or smth), but a few extra wounds is fine. Manta: Great for holding pizza! Saw it actually be used in battle once. One of the most hilarious things ever (we played on 4 tables grouped together, total size was ~16 ft x 8 ft), deployment was long end to long end. Since it was a Chaos + Tau player vs Guard + Space Marines, Tau player had it put into reinforcements, and asked ahead of time if he could proxy some regular infantry as stealth suits (we agreed stealth suits don't have infantry keyword but should be treated as such, but shouldn't be treated as 1 transport capacity, so we agreed on 2 and 100 were thrown out into the battle). It was a 10k vs 10k battle. Yep, he did it. *music starts playing as 100 "stealth suits" drop on our side alongside Mortarion and Magnus* it was a very fun match! :) oh, and uh, I guess it transported his units into range, so did it's job well. We ignored it, it did some damage. Apparently shooting at the 4 charging Khorne Lord of Skulls took priority over worrying about Stealth Suits. \o/ Heirophant: Honestly, just a rock solid model. Looks sick, imposing, 810 pts is fair for what it brings, very enjoyable to fight against! Harridan: imho the best Titan flyer to EXPERIENCE in the game. It's massive, and at 610 points, I almost wish I could go back and find somebody who owns 3 of these and some Harridans running up the board and into entrenched positions. They're massive, and ok rules wise. Seraptik Heavy Construct: I've seen 2 people build them at my local store... Haven't gotten to face one. Rules wise, seems perfectly fine for a titan. Basically a Necron Shadowsword with some extra flavor. Tantalus: Beautiful model, great rules for a Titan, and low points cost makes it a no brainer. If I was a Drukhari player, I would buy 2 CP boxes, a Tantalus, and call it a day ngl. That's all I can remember off of the top of my head. Hope this helps somebody!
I can’t even find a 3k+ game, much less someone to bring my 12k world eaters and khorne daemons against, another 3k in chaos knights. Id love to spend a weekend in a 15k pt game, and I’d really like a warlord titan but I’ll never be able to use it. Even if I could find an in game use for it, I’d be terrified transporting it.
So, for the Chaos stuff, I’ve heard rumor of there being some drama between the 40K and HH teams at GW, so the 40K team basically just sent all the HH stuff to legends to say “Okay, let’s see how well your game does on its own”
That would explain not just the chaos stuff but all the other 30k stuff going to legends as well. Honestly though I would argue the 30k team is probably the better team, they just need more resources to fix certain issues like dreadnoughts and no super heavy vehicles. Once those issues get fixed 30k will definitely be a better system.
So I actually have a good amount of experience running the Astraeus in both Ironstorm and Gladius, and I honestly think that Gladius is the better take for it, Storm of Fire is essentially +2 AP in a lot of circumstances when in devastator doctrine, and it makes that primary weapon absolutely CRIPPLING into many targets, and coupled with the Las-Rippers, you've basically also got 5 lascannons strapped to it, and giving them AP-4 with Ignores Cover is HUGE for punching through other heavy vehicles, it's the difference of something like a Landraider or a Dreadnought saving on 3's without SOF or saving on 5's with SOF active, assuming Armor of Contempt, which means DOUBLE the damage going through saves on average! ((It's a similar story with the main gun under SOF as well, 2+ save stuff with Cover and AoC goes from saving on 2+ to saving on 3+, which again doubles damage output, however if they don't have access to AoC, it TRIPLES the damage the main gun does))
I have a Seraptek Heavy Construct. It really is an impressive model. In its first field test (a casual test game), it one-shotted a Repulsor Executioner! 😊
is there any specualtion on what a Votann Super Heavy would be, besides the Train, which i think all squat fans would love to see in physical form, but i highly doubt will ever come from GW themselves, but maybe 3D modelers have made something. But what do you think a GW Votann Super Heavy would look like?
The Stormblade also wins as being the coolest Baneblade chassis variant, joint winner in my opinion with the Shadowsword. Who doesn't like a gun called a Volcano Cannon?
Got a hunch the removal of the Forge World daemon engines could have something to do with Vashtorr and whatever he's up to. Maybe see some plastic kits for things like Decimators and similar. Would be cool to see more of the non Marine side of Chaos.
Would've been cool to see the T'au titan be less bipedal for once. It's essentially a mobile artillery platform, and T'au don't have any of the Imperial dogma to constrain them to the human form. A humanoid battlesuit makes sense, but there's only so big you can go before the hoof feet just look silly. Imagine if the T'aunar was more akin to a crustacean, with a couple sets of legs supporting an artillery fort up top. It'd fit with their nautical naming scheme, too.
Any plans on making a 10th edition fortifications video? They seem niche in most cases, but I'd love a comprehensive video looking them over and giving your thoughts on them.
Dosnt really fit their playstyle but I would love for the genestealers to have a modified industrial digging mashine or maybe a giant tunneling drill rigged for war as a titanic...
Hi, it would be very useful if you made a video of the best online only or mail order units that each faction can field. It would put into perspective how hard to get and expensive would be to get an army, for example, drukhari need a lot of GW only units which make them somewhat more expensive since you cant get the cost benefit of your local friendly hobby shop. Thank you for considering!
Mechanic wise, I loved the version that had voidshields that has 3 wounds but absorbed one hit completely. They regenerate 1 point if gone or get back to 3 if one or two remaining. Lore wise, they often make mistakes thinking somewhat big is super rare. If you have battles with millions of tanks and billions of infantry, you could easily add thousands of Warlord titan sized units. Compared to voidships everything is tiny. To combine fluff and crunch, they should emphasize the titan QUALITY that is of its own league. The reactors are miniaturized versions of the best of the best tech. This allows them to power shields and weapons several tiers above their weight class. As a contrast they should give orks HUGE mechanical monstrosities that are quantity over quality. Knight-sized mechs equivalent to dreadnoughts, warhound-sized mechs equivalent to knights and even bigger ones whose stats only equate to a warhound. They lack the nifty shields but could have some ablative wounds mechanic or just be super cheap wounds. Whatever the imperium produced is a compact version with the shields that need to be stripped first, an outer layer of armor with the highest toughness before you get to the meaty inside. For Daemons they could have scaling stats depending on a degree of how materialized it is. The same model could have a 500p, 1k, 2k or even 4k point value (if you want to fight in the warp). Psykers could also scale, normally adding 20, 40 or 80 points to a model, but go beyond to 160, 320 or even 640 point. Each level could give an extra die to boost a power, reroll or use multiple powers per turn. This makes 'Nid HQ and bio-titans extra scary, and psychic daemons...
I own a porphyrion and a thunderhawk, and i gotta say that the most fun way to play either one is just casually with a bunch of infantry. Your opponent gets something big to chew through, you get an epic centerpiece model, and due to the way the game works youre not likely to stomp them with one model. The most important thing to remember is to have fun, cause thats what the game is for. Sure i can tailor a list around one of those models to make sure my weaknesses are covered, but wheres the fun in that. I wanna drop 15 jump intercessors in your face with a massive airplane that just came out of left field to reinforce my vestiges of a scout company, or send a behemoth with lasers hurtling downfield at your gunline, not just overpower you with dice. Thats what the titan models are for, over just rolling dice. They're there to make a cool story and a memorable game
I dont play the tabletop just collecting. But would a full pathfinder team and a ghostkeel be enough for a killteam game? And if so are there specific rules for Farsight Enclaves (thats how im painting them)
A few points, first it can walk over other models (provided there's room to do so) Second. As above, you run a swat team in there that can punch a hold for the Nobz inside. Also has an 18 attack sweep profile; all of this and you can't easily stop it with trash infantry or swarms.
People who splashed out on Forge World models got done really dirty in this edition, unfortunately. I have a whole bunch of models which are now either borderline unplayable, or actually unplayable. At least thanks to this video I was finally able to track down where the rules for the Kytan even were. Going forwards, though, it's hard to see how GW expect people to still buy the big FW models when they've made it pretty clear that from a rules point of view they don't give a damn.
I was going to get the kytan because I hate the chaos dreadnaught. It's too small. You would think that chaos stuff, swollen with power would be bigger. Now, alongside Marine dreadnoughts, they look silly. They are barely bigger then marines.i use them as obliterators instead. Then upon review, the kytan isn't much bigger.
Personally I prefer the Doomhammer variant. S12, D6+3 shots, and AP -4 Magma Cannon and when shooting at Vehicles and Monsters it's always considered to be in half range allowing you to do D6+6 melta to those targets. Then you get 4 lascannons, 2 twin heavy bolter, and 4 twin heavy flamers. Then run 2 Kasrkin squads with psykers and cadian castellans and throw them inside bc its transport 26 with firing deck 12 and now you have 4 plasma guns, 4 melta guns, 2 psykers with dev wounds, and 2 Plasma pistols and you just rip through everything (could even throw in a singular psyker by themselves just for the hell of it to get even more potential dev wounds). The amount of firepower you can bring to bear and the sheer volume of overwatch is ridiculous.
I swear I've seen more people using the Manta as scenery than a playable unit.
I’ve only seen it a scenery (once) never even seen it actually played
You could in fact play a game of Killteam ON IT!!
We had a guy who converted a manta into a fully usable kill team board for internal ship fights.
PlayOn! channel got a Manta. They did some games with it and a game of Kill Team on top of it.
I was gonna mention the KT game playon... played on the Manta.
We’re forgetting that guard has Sly Marbo to take down titans and other super heavies.
Can confirm.
Sly Marbo wrestled a Bloodthirster and won
Rumour has it he is the Primarch of the 2nd and 11th legions...
4th ed. Intensefies
I thought he sucked on tabletop according to this very channel
Anecdotally, something that may or may not factor into bringing a titan to the tabletop, you tend to get a psychological effect. I have a midsize game group of friends with a fairly wide variety of armies available, and while we tend to play more casually, its always interesting to see what happens when you bring out a big model. my wife's harridan is quite often a game changer, with it being able to drop a full squad of gargoyles with a winged prime leading for oc/secondaries, and then being able to drop an average of 18 s10 -3ap 3dam shots (the harridans cannons are 2x, not twin linked) on a big terminator block from halfway across the board is pretty goddamn terrifying.
@kenpatchiramasama1076 yes this exactly.
Admech not having any big Models is so dumb, they made almost every Imperium mech, and yet they didn't made anything for themself
the Titans are technically theirs. but im not dissagreeing
Warhound
They do; they're just TOO big. The Titans belong to the Mechanicum.
They do. the Ordinatus Weapons, they just don't have 40K rules :(
@@conrad-constantinethey used to. I know for a fact their titan killer from Armageddon does somewhere
I know an Ork player that has 2 Gargantuan Squiggoths. It’s always fun watching other people try to adapt as he flattens them.
He's the comment above yours, on my screen.
Sisters full size cathedral on tank treads bristling with flamers and artillery when?
Honestly a 'church' upgrade sprue to fit onto a Baneblade chassis would be pretty neat for Sisters.
Just imagine a baneblade with a giant pipe organ spewing missiles everywhere, that’d be sick.
Sister be bringing their Churches now, one day they’ll be bringing a whole ass Monastery, Grand Cathedral, a Temple of Christ.
Sisters need an Imperial titan. Yeah I said it, give us the giant walking notre dame.
Capitol Imperialis or Levithan models would fit that niche nicely
I keep saying AdMech needs a Titan crawler that functions as a skitarii factory, essentially a necron reanimation protocol that's killable on the field.
Great idea
One of the best things about the Gargantuan Squiggoth is that you cam use 'Ard as Nails for 1CP, giving it -1 to wound. When you're T13 with -1 to wound, who needs an invulnerable save. Does feel like youre under selling it a bit as it has been used in tournaments unlike most of these models.
Also, dont fill it with boyz. Fill it with Nobz and Flash Gitz.
Exactly! I have witnessed, giddily, whole clusters of Dark Lances pattering off it to no effect. Doesn’t matter if your save is bad if you never have to roll it!
Gretchin aren’t bad to put in there either. They’re soft, but also cheap, so you don’t commit many points beyond the base and can run them out in the midfield to squat on an objective and farm CP while your monster decimates the enemy Battleline. Absolute all-star in 10th!
The Space Dwarves need the land trains back
Please GW, I wouldn't even mind having to buy each land train compartment separately for the price of a leman russ as long as we get land trains
I remember playing my first large multiple player game with titans. I brought a Hierophant and my one of my buddys on the other team brought his Baneblade - he was so excited to be able to play it. I got first turn and was able kill it in turn one with my Hierophant. I could tell he was pretty bummed about it - I felt so bad for him I let him at least get a full round of shooting in with it before it died.
A great sportsman! Apocalypse can see that happen, so my pals and I always set a Titan grace period for the first turn, where they must fire on other targets. It lets everyone get to use their big toys and still watch them blow chunks of things away!
I have to say - I love my Hierophant as well! Very solid in tenth.
I run two gargantuan squiggoths filled with burnaboyz. Its never failed me.
That sounds frankly terrifying.
I play orks and have a 1000 point army, teach me your ways sensei
@@archiecolville4027 It's less good since ard as nails can't be used on monsters anymore. Now I fill the gargsquigs with 10 flash gitz, 2 meganobz and a solo beastboss. They tear everything up when they disembark.
are you the guy @akimbo411 is talking about one comment up lol
@@bigpoppa1234 I dunno maybe. I've been doing it for about 2 years.
Gene stealer cults being able to use warlord titans has potential for a really funny causal match
I think the biggest Chaos weapons left are the Lord of Skulls, Lord Discordant, and Heldrake. And two of these are _desperately_ struggling to make themselves known in 10th. If that codex isn't kind, they could end up in legends themselves...
The thing is the daemon engines are 40K it’s dumb
Disco lord and the Heldrake are DRASTICALLY over priced in points for what they bring.
The disco lord is far worse this edition than he was in the last one.
Don't even get me started on daemon engines not regening wounds anymore.
GW has effectively neutered our faction in this edition.
Bruh the heldrake is tiny
@@IamElChapo the Disco Lord needs Lone Op within 3" of a vehicle like tech marines get to become a viable choice
Its fairly small if you ignore the giant 12" wingspan sure. But the angle of those wings makes that impossible@samadams8533
They should put me in the game as a kroot big forgeworld thing
Ok but I gotta wash you with soapy water in the sink first.
@@SC1ENCEP1E while your at it, can you wash me too?
@@maxkorner1123I dunno.... I get the feeling you might make it weird.
@@SC1ENCEP1Eit won’t be weird I promise *slowly raises the camera to make sure you both are in frame while I take a sip form a comically large swirly straw thats in a big cup filled with soda.
my brother you will be a glorious big custodes titan
The tau needing other units to spot for them baffles me, especially on large units. Surely their tech would allow integrated spotting in weapon sights
Preaching to the choir my friend.
The Tau have always suffered some weird gameplay and story segregation. I think the spotting thing is a relic of the fact that where other factions are typically playing, like, a WWI or even Napoleonic sort of gameplan, the Tau are WWII, high mobility combined arms.
It’s also hilarious to me that the Tau are lore wise this rapid movement, strike and fade, ambush doctrine
But I can only succeed with them on tabletop by going for a rolling thunder slow push artillery style, the complete opposite.
That’s probably just me though
@@deathtrooper9003
That sounds like you would make a good IG player
and Oddly the Imperial guard are good at the rapid movement, strike and fade and ambush doctrine better than the tau at times if using the camo nets and strategems and of course the old Scout Warhound/Baneblade can't forget that.
Of course some factions do it better but the IG can pull it off and that is just fits their lore of regiments having their own expertise.
@@deathtrooper9003 I play all stealth and mobile. 4 Piranhas, Coldstar, Shadowsun, 3 Ghostkeels, 18 Stealth Suits, maxed out Vespid and 2 reactive Devilfish with Breachers ready to respond to which objective takes the early heat. I am undefeated in 10th, and the only times I've come close to a draw or loss was against Necrons. This is just local level, but still. We have a lot of veteran players here and I've been comfortable this edition. That said, this is how I've *always* played Tau, ever since 3rd (except I used to use Hammerheads) so I'm very adept at the style and this edition is the best fit for it ever.
the thunderhawk i have i built from scratch myself cuz i wanted one in 2019 and couldn't afford the thing from the site. in the game i debuted it no one was ready and it did a lot of damage
The Gargantuan Squiggoth appeared in a successful list the past weekend!
For the gargantuan squiggoth you are able to use the 'ard as nails -1 to wound stratagem on it putting lascannons to wounding on a 6 and this also affects weapons with the anti-monster keyword.
Unfortunately -1 to wound does not affect the “anti” key word. Anti- monster and others go off of unmodified dice rolls so it doesn’t matter if you are subtracting 1 from a roll, an anti-monster 2 will still wound on a 2.
Thanks for the clarification, it did seem a little strange if it had worked that way.@@joshuabbates4096
I have played all the Nid super bugs in tenth, and the Hierophant has impressed me a great deal. It scares the daylights out of the enemy, and usually draws all their fire in the first turn. With 5+ FNP in Invasion Fleet, it is more than capable of tanking the fire of a whole army. It pairs super well with the Neurotyrant as well, preying on battle shocked units.
The Gargantuan Squiggoth has also been an all-star this edition. T13, 3+ save isn’t the best, but 440 is the same cost as a Knight Atrapos, and its melee is WICKED. Beyond that, ‘Ard As Nails stratagem is utterly disgusting with it. Dark Lances? Lascannons? Basically raindrops. I’ve had it tank stupid volumes of firepower. A very fun toy!
WHERE'S THE DAMN GUN CATHEDRAL ON WHEELS
-Every Sisters Player
As an ork player, the squigoth is sick.
Just get a dinosaur toy around the same size and throw a saddle on it much cheaper
As not an ork player at all, I must admit that it is, indeed, sick.
(I'm actually a t'au player, and I just want the Greater Knarlock back so we can have a dinosaur showdown.)
Feed it some medical squids and give it lots of hugs and kind words. Should fix it right up.
Let’s be honest, all of these models are pretty sick.
I know it’s the poster child for big units but god damn is the warlord titan cool
Amen! It’s efficient and it kicks butt.
One of the armies I play is Necrons, one of the original “titan” weapons for them was a couple monolith formations. Both basically A huge block of 9, 3by3.
I used to have 18 of them to field both 🤮. Down to 15 and bits. As well as 2 pylons, a fortification base and a seraptek…
I've run a taunar this edition in a team game, in a sort of T'au "knight" list. It was accompanied by longstrike, a stormsurge, two riptides, a ghostkeel and shadowsun for rerolls. Not competitive in the slightest but it does make your opponent sweat bullets.
7:55 Comparison a friend and I talked about comparing the different astra militarum planes in their infantry support rolls:
The Valkyrie is an AH-64 Apache. Transport and close fire support with big guns. "Don't run from the Valkyrie, you'll only die tired"
The Avenger is an A-10 Warthog. Big tank killing guns for fast fire support. "BRRRRRRRT!"
The Marauder Destroyer is a C-130 Hercules Gunship. Lots of sustained close fire support.
Let's be honest. Orks could have a 69420 meter tall pile of trash, and it would probably work just as well as any other titan.
We call those "Gargants"
As someone who has a Seraptek, that is a model that is teeters very close to the edge of competitive, and she probably would be at her original 470 point cost. Put her in the Awakened Dynasty with a Technomancer and the +1 to hit enhancement somewhere nearby, and watch the carnage. The Singularity Generators will wipe out an entire brick of Terminators in an instant, and she's devastating in melee too. I ran her at an RTT with index crons and she massacred 800 points of orks by herself. If she gets a points cut at some point, I guarantee she'll see play
I hope that happens. Such a sick model!
There is almost not a single tau model I like, but their titan is one of Forgeworld finest models. my fav is the fellblade. Own a warhound (though its a bit broken. the resin caved and he's the hunchback of Notre Dam even after a fix), want a warlord. settled for a titanicus one in the meantime
Hitting the table this weekend in a 6k a side game with my TX-9 Whaleshark Superheavy Tank counts as a Taunar Battlesuit! First time fielding this beauty!
Great video AT!
Had a match against an Ork player that brings the Gargantuan Squiggoth yesterday. Needless to say, seeing that thing casually destroying my dreadnoughts with just one or two hits was pretty rough. With Ard' as Nails, that makes most weapons wound it on 6s and any S14 or above weapons (which usually has low number of attacks) wound him on 4s.
It’s a sick beasty!
Still find it dumb so many chaos things got put into legends. Really hope in the future chaos decimator could come back in some shape or form
Man, there will never be a day when the existance of the Manta doesn't make me chuckle. Like, seriously, titans, as ridicoulus as they are, they make sense to produce - they are iconic, and even if they are well outside your pricing range and modelling/painting capabilities, you'd still want one. But Manta? A giant transport for a rather niche faction? Who the hell greenlit this? I am not even angry, just confused and concerned.
It's the video I asked for. I'm so excited!
Honestly I think the cost would be worth it just to see your opponent's face when you bring out the Titan onto the board.
I have an Astraeus for Deathwatch. The biggest buff GW could give it is increasing the AP on the main gun to -3 from -1, or make it T13, outside of bringing down the points to an even 500.
no they show bring back the keyword FLY. Otherwise impossible to pass between building
I love my Gargantuan Squiggoth.
I have a Harridan proxy and hoo boy was it fun to use. As a nid player, killing things in one shot is just so satisfying, I felt like a Tau player
It and the Hierophant are great! That said, if you want to have the same effect in greater volume or in smaller games, Tyrannofexes are ghastly in this edition! The Rupture Cannons are exquisite.
At my local club there's an annual super heavies and knights vs titans battle before Xmas. Have a guess which is victorious? 😂
I'm waiting for a warlord-like necron titan
Feel like they could do something better like a fully awakened tomb, like in Dawn of War where when you fully awoke the tomb it could warp and shoot
Lore-wise we probably shouldn't get one. Necrons just don't work that way doctrine wise. There were some ideas back in the day for it, like the Abettoir, but that was never followed up on.
Given the Necron's judicious use of teleportation, it makes more sense for them to just mount a big freaking gun (like, starship grade weaponry) on something they can teleport and just warp the weapon into a firing lane against an enemy titan and then just blow said titan to hell.
The Astreus deserves better than being an overpriced (both in game and irl) hunk of resin. It’s such a cool design! And maybe, if we get Epic 40k again, we could get a micro/plastic version?
It's unfortunately just an oversized Sicarian
@cheezybirb7810 and the sicarian is a better design anyway
Got a Squiggoth myself and I hope the new Ork Codex gives some nice rules for Squig equivalents.
Orks should get a new (bigger) gargant kit to compete with imperial titans, just make it do 30 damage if it uses careen, there you go enemy titan is probably dead and the orks are happy that their big boom caused another big boom.
Some bizarre part of my soul wants a titan sized Omega-Squig with a snotling driver.
@@argentaegis Gloomspite Gitz, they have big squigs with goblin pilots
@@sirhigglesworth I'm kinda picturing a big squig with an unexploded earthshaker shell in its head that the goblin uses for a cockpit.
@@argentaegis Just put rokkit launchers from the boyz kit into the mouth of a colossal squig and add hobgoblins as you see fit.
@@sirhigglesworthrokkit teef squig
IMO there's such an enormous spread of quality on those both in design and execution.
The Imperium's Titans together with tyranids are just in a league of their own there.
Many of the others just seem like upscales of the smaller models. I can forgive the Tau because of the coolness factor of putting more guns on bigger mech (though it could do with some design adaptations to suit that) but the Eldar construct just looks like a first draft and lacks any sense of scale.
The temptation to 3d print one of these for cheap is so damn tempting
I just want Ta'unar Supremact Armors to get a points reduction and the battlesuit keyword. They got nerfed because Eldar and Knights abused the Titanic rules and got hit by the indirect nerfs because it has 2 SMS. 700 points and the ability to use Stim Injectors would make it almost as good as some of the meta Tau units.
Sadly, under current rules (the guiding rule being so punishing if you split your shots), t'au super-heavies are destined to struggle unless they're facing some similarly enormous units that deserve their entire firepower...
Forgeworld Ryza mentioned!!!
Well, if you want to get technical, Imperial Titans are part of Adeptus Mechanicus, as opposed to the wider Imperium
Needed to have an honorable mention: the Imperial Fortress fortification. Were there ever any rules for it? I know it was made to order only.
having played against the supremacy armour, i will say, for 790 points it does do a very good job of making the entire game revolve around it. which i think is how you want a model like that to feel, even if it isn't the most efficient thing in the index.
still impressed i managed to poke it to death with my grey knights
Ta'unar are actually one of the few models I don't think want Tetras. They already get hit rerolls on 1s when guided with their own ability, and with the heavy keyword on the rail cannon, it's effectively 2+, so Stealth Battlesuits giving it the wound rerolls on 1s, it means it's practically guaranteed to both hit and wound. If you have enough points for more observers, Tetras or Pathfinders wouldn't be a bad idea for split-fire options though, but even then the Tetras ability only matters when rolling a 2, so Pathfinders might still be the more efficient secondary option.
Nobody asked, and but here I am:
As others have mentioned (I see you DerrickTitley), when you drop a Titan into a regular game (or larger game if not possible), there is very much a psychological effect.
When I brought a Warhound into my escalation League (only did so if the opponent was comfortable with it, otherwise I brought in regular guard along) every time the opponent would be intimidated by the sheer size of it, the T13, and 40 Wounds made it seem unstoppable.
People would think the match is unwinnable, and I'd have to convince *them* to try and fight it, because in all honestly, the Warhound at 1100 points is viable for casual, and pretty terrible for a competitive match. It's essentially just a tanky Castellan... for 1100 points. It is objectively better to bring 2x Castellans, save 50 points, and have roughly 1.6x the damage output, if you're rotating ion shields, roughly 1.5x the durability, 2 models, the ability to split fire, etc.
Then you get into the mess of indirect nerfs that 9e and 10e brought, i.e. the heavy use of ample terrain basically restricts the usage of Titans in general. Many titans basically just aren't allowed to move (not that you want to move some of them *glances at the Warlord*)
The funniest (and most tragic) moment was in the first match I played with the Warhound, Morven Hall got into melee with it and dealt something around 28 wounds to it in a single turn. I went from 36 hitpoints, to 8 and was bracketed immediately. The Warhound was dead Turn 3 and if it wasn't for the fact that I held some early objectives, the gap in victory points would've been greater (54 to 70, I ran the gambit because after the Warhound went down, it was impossible to get any more victory points, so I had to roll an 11 or higher, rolled a 9. I lost.)
But from my perspective (Note: all titans are "poor" in terms of performance per point. This "perspective" is accrued from playing multiple 5k+ point games and apocalypse games, and how these titans have faired in a real game under different conditions, so this is more of "compared to other big things" how useful these models are, because ultimately, if you're enemy has a 1000+ pt Titan, spamming Shadowswords is by far the best solution.):
Warlord: Is useable at 3500 points but poor competitively. Was trash in 9th with 5000 point cost, and utterly useless in 8th ed with 10,000 point cost. I love GW's for trying to allow fun large models to not be completely terrible. Simply doesn't have enough quantity of firepower to justify it's usage unless you get the Apoc Missile Launchers, and even then... But very fun to fight!
Reiver: Actually not bad!
Warbringer: I have no idea, no experience with it.
Warhound: Actually not bad!
Thunderhawk: Pretty decent all things considered. Flyers usually their rules don't shine that much and when you stack "Titan" on it it only gets worse, but it's a transport with decent firepower and decent durability. Per point? Trash, but casual play? Pretty good! Remember, many people actually use it as a transport, and cram it full of terminators with power fists who charge out turn 2 and do some pretty devastating dmg... If they survive that long, putting terminators into it and treating as a transport becomes a high priority target, so the model is really only usable in 5k vs 5k (or greater) battles.
Stormbird: Same as the Thunderhawk, except no clusterbombs in exchange for the rest of the rules being significantly improved for an additional ~200 points, and arguably the best Ranged Titan Flyer in the game atm.
Astraeus: Almost competitive! Very nice!
Mastadon: Not competitive at all, but not bad!
Marauder Bomber: Clearly needs a buff. If I was to face one in game, I'd tell the other player he is free to choose between bombs every drop, and drop it's points to 300. We're basically retired competitive players, it's in a very rough spot. We play for fun, so no needs to get our knickers in a buch.
Stormblade: Not bad! Being so cheap makes it borderline competitive.
Knight Asterius: Honestly, it's mortar is pretty good. Anti-Infantry 2+ basically marks everyone short of Primarchs to be a 2+, but like everything it has, it is lacking (AP-1 makes it mediocre, AP-2 from big cannons is underwhelming, especially as most tanks and heavy fortifications have 2+ save, with some having a 2++ either due to rules, or cover, i.e. save on a 3+). Just get the Knight Porphyrion :) older kit, much nicer model imho.
Ares Gunship: One of the best Titan flyers in the game, probably the 2nd best ranged flying Titan. Genuinely a pleasure to see one. Low-ish points cost, high durability for a titan flyer, high firepower and bombing rules = nothing to sneeze at. It's magna blaze cannon (in play) I've seen typically far outdamages the entire kit of the Asterius on big models (Titans typically face Titans), and the model is a flyer (typically lower durability in exchange for LoS and movement) at a 33% reduction in points.
Land Raider Banisher: Unfortunately terrible, but it won't affect gameplay at only 255 pts
Brass Scorpion: I've only seen it in play once in 8e, it absolutely destroyed the enemy Grey Knights and it's stat profile (all things considered) hasn't change too much. Considering how powerful Dark Pacts have affected 10e, I think that played well, it could borderline be competitive. But ultimately, things such as terrain gatekeep it currently.
Phantom Titan: I fought one twice before, I think it used to be about 3500 points? At 2100 points and similar stats, it seems useable. The only downside is it's comparatively short range and lack of anti-horde (in large scale battles, Space Marines become "Horde" mind you). On a regular board, no problem for range, but melee destroys it. Suffers the same fate of a Warlord.
Revenant Titan: Actually useable due to far fewer points!
Gargantuan Squiggoth: Fought once before before the player moved out of state. It's a tanky bugger, and quite good especially for it's points cost. The guy had 2 of them! Only reason I don't see more of them is honestly probably the price tag at Admech level pricing (Most titans are usually around $1 for 1.5 points in general, but this model is $1 for 0.92 points)
Supremacy Suit: F this model (one of the best ranged titans imho, standing close to Shadowsword spam and Porphy), especially in 8e and 9e. Just cover it in shield drones and laugh incessantly. Point for point, nearly as good as a Castellan, so it's definitely useable, but once you start swarming the thing in shield drones, don't know the current state of Tau shield drones 10e (I believe they're free, but only grant an additional wound to the model, and you only get some free ones if your a certain sept or detachment or smth), but a few extra wounds is fine.
Manta: Great for holding pizza! Saw it actually be used in battle once. One of the most hilarious things ever (we played on 4 tables grouped together, total size was ~16 ft x 8 ft), deployment was long end to long end. Since it was a Chaos + Tau player vs Guard + Space Marines, Tau player had it put into reinforcements, and asked ahead of time if he could proxy some regular infantry as stealth suits (we agreed stealth suits don't have infantry keyword but should be treated as such, but shouldn't be treated as 1 transport capacity, so we agreed on 2 and 100 were thrown out into the battle). It was a 10k vs 10k battle. Yep, he did it. *music starts playing as 100 "stealth suits" drop on our side alongside Mortarion and Magnus* it was a very fun match! :) oh, and uh, I guess it transported his units into range, so did it's job well. We ignored it, it did some damage. Apparently shooting at the 4 charging Khorne Lord of Skulls took priority over worrying about Stealth Suits. \o/
Heirophant: Honestly, just a rock solid model. Looks sick, imposing, 810 pts is fair for what it brings, very enjoyable to fight against!
Harridan: imho the best Titan flyer to EXPERIENCE in the game. It's massive, and at 610 points, I almost wish I could go back and find somebody who owns 3 of these and some Harridans running up the board and into entrenched positions. They're massive, and ok rules wise.
Seraptik Heavy Construct: I've seen 2 people build them at my local store... Haven't gotten to face one. Rules wise, seems perfectly fine for a titan. Basically a Necron Shadowsword with some extra flavor.
Tantalus: Beautiful model, great rules for a Titan, and low points cost makes it a no brainer. If I was a Drukhari player, I would buy 2 CP boxes, a Tantalus, and call it a day ngl.
That's all I can remember off of the top of my head. Hope this helps somebody!
I ABSOLUTELY love the supremacy armor
Its so gorgeous and really gets me in my battletech/mechwarrior heart
Tantalus is an absolute chad in Skysplinter lists!!!
I can’t even find a 3k+ game, much less someone to bring my 12k world eaters and khorne daemons against, another 3k in chaos knights. Id love to spend a weekend in a 15k pt game, and I’d really like a warlord titan but I’ll never be able to use it. Even if I could find an in game use for it, I’d be terrified transporting it.
So, for the Chaos stuff, I’ve heard rumor of there being some drama between the 40K and HH teams at GW, so the 40K team basically just sent all the HH stuff to legends to say “Okay, let’s see how well your game does on its own”
That would explain not just the chaos stuff but all the other 30k stuff going to legends as well. Honestly though I would argue the 30k team is probably the better team, they just need more resources to fix certain issues like dreadnoughts and no super heavy vehicles. Once those issues get fixed 30k will definitely be a better system.
So I actually have a good amount of experience running the Astraeus in both Ironstorm and Gladius, and I honestly think that Gladius is the better take for it, Storm of Fire is essentially +2 AP in a lot of circumstances when in devastator doctrine, and it makes that primary weapon absolutely CRIPPLING into many targets, and coupled with the Las-Rippers, you've basically also got 5 lascannons strapped to it, and giving them AP-4 with Ignores Cover is HUGE for punching through other heavy vehicles, it's the difference of something like a Landraider or a Dreadnought saving on 3's without SOF or saving on 5's with SOF active, assuming Armor of Contempt, which means DOUBLE the damage going through saves on average! ((It's a similar story with the main gun under SOF as well, 2+ save stuff with Cover and AoC goes from saving on 2+ to saving on 3+, which again doubles damage output, however if they don't have access to AoC, it TRIPLES the damage the main gun does))
I have a Seraptek Heavy Construct. It really is an impressive model. In its first field test (a casual test game), it one-shotted a Repulsor Executioner! 😊
is there any specualtion on what a Votann Super Heavy would be, besides the Train, which i think all squat fans would love to see in physical form, but i highly doubt will ever come from GW themselves, but maybe 3D modelers have made something. But what do you think a GW Votann Super Heavy would look like?
Love that admech have no gigantic tanks/units to run considering they construct almost all of them.
Well, Admech own Titans,unlike Knights which can be just on Imperial side
Titan Legions are directly under them
@@chrisspyroman very true, I do forget forgeworld stuff
THE BAAAANNNEBLADE wait no wrong one
THE STOORMBLADE
i have my warhound. ive scored good on the vehicle hunting secondary with that one in some competitive games.
👍👍 I genuinely had no idea the Hierophant can carry troops... I kind of want one now 😅
Now I'm wondering what a Sisters titan would be. I'd think something knight esk. A literal walking church.
Hardest part of fielding a Garg squiggoth is the buying price. Otherwise 2 of them would equal a stompa points wise.
How do some of these hunks of plastic cost more than a PS5?
Loved my Kytan.
Thanks for axing it to legends GW. Arseholes.
The Stormblade also wins as being the coolest Baneblade chassis variant, joint winner in my opinion with the Shadowsword. Who doesn't like a gun called a Volcano Cannon?
Falchion is cooler, the only thing better than a volcano cannon is two volcano cannons.
@@colinbielat8558 This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!
Got a hunch the removal of the Forge World daemon engines could have something to do with Vashtorr and whatever he's up to.
Maybe see some plastic kits for things like Decimators and similar.
Would be cool to see more of the non Marine side of Chaos.
Would've been cool to see the T'au titan be less bipedal for once. It's essentially a mobile artillery platform, and T'au don't have any of the Imperial dogma to constrain them to the human form. A humanoid battlesuit makes sense, but there's only so big you can go before the hoof feet just look silly. Imagine if the T'aunar was more akin to a crustacean, with a couple sets of legs supporting an artillery fort up top. It'd fit with their nautical naming scheme, too.
Just saying, Tantalus can make 3 tank shocks in one turn. A lot of Mortal Wounds
I would love to see a mechanicus atrax heavy seige walker
I was about to buy the Brass Scorpion and start a CSM army, until it relegated to legends. I'm still upset about that
Been here since 87k, keep being who you are Auspex you're doin great
The Tantalus is quite sad compared to those. 230 points is like a Leman Russ demolisher basically. "Superheavy"
Any plans on making a 10th edition fortifications video? They seem niche in most cases, but I'd love a comprehensive video looking them over and giving your thoughts on them.
The Fellblade needs to come back from Legends into Canon 10th.
As for a 'big' marine flier, I would love to see a Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor kit.
I've seen the Manta be used as a Kill Team battleground. It is *enormous*.
Trouble with the Hierophant is it gets pulverized by other similarly priced Titans that have better shooting, it should really be cheaper
Kinda odd that the orks never got a Gargant model from forge world. A small mekboy gargant would be nice
Dosnt really fit their playstyle but I would love for the genestealers to have a modified industrial digging mashine or maybe a giant tunneling drill rigged for war as a titanic...
Hi, it would be very useful if you made a video of the best online only or mail order units that each faction can field. It would put into perspective how hard to get and expensive would be to get an army, for example, drukhari need a lot of GW only units which make them somewhat more expensive since you cant get the cost benefit of your local friendly hobby shop. Thank you for considering!
Resin cant be that expensive when there are Chinese Recasters selling them for a third of the price and the exact same quality.
Great vid, really enjoyed this one.
Mechanic wise, I loved the version that had voidshields that has 3 wounds but absorbed one hit completely. They regenerate 1 point if gone or get back to 3 if one or two remaining.
Lore wise, they often make mistakes thinking somewhat big is super rare. If you have battles with millions of tanks and billions of infantry, you could easily add thousands of Warlord titan sized units. Compared to voidships everything is tiny.
To combine fluff and crunch, they should emphasize the titan QUALITY that is of its own league. The reactors are miniaturized versions of the best of the best tech. This allows them to power shields and weapons several tiers above their weight class.
As a contrast they should give orks HUGE mechanical monstrosities that are quantity over quality. Knight-sized mechs equivalent to dreadnoughts, warhound-sized mechs equivalent to knights and even bigger ones whose stats only equate to a warhound. They lack the nifty shields but could have some ablative wounds mechanic or just be super cheap wounds.
Whatever the imperium produced is a compact version with the shields that need to be stripped first, an outer layer of armor with the highest toughness before you get to the meaty inside.
For Daemons they could have scaling stats depending on a degree of how materialized it is. The same model could have a 500p, 1k, 2k or even 4k point value (if you want to fight in the warp).
Psykers could also scale, normally adding 20, 40 or 80 points to a model, but go beyond to 160, 320 or even 640 point. Each level could give an extra die to boost a power, reroll or use multiple powers per turn. This makes 'Nid HQ and bio-titans extra scary, and psychic daemons...
I own a porphyrion and a thunderhawk, and i gotta say that the most fun way to play either one is just casually with a bunch of infantry. Your opponent gets something big to chew through, you get an epic centerpiece model, and due to the way the game works youre not likely to stomp them with one model.
The most important thing to remember is to have fun, cause thats what the game is for. Sure i can tailor a list around one of those models to make sure my weaknesses are covered, but wheres the fun in that. I wanna drop 15 jump intercessors in your face with a massive airplane that just came out of left field to reinforce my vestiges of a scout company, or send a behemoth with lasers hurtling downfield at your gunline, not just overpower you with dice.
Thats what the titan models are for, over just rolling dice. They're there to make a cool story and a memorable game
I still feel the Bugs not having a knight-tier model in plastic is weird
Along with Admech
Greater brass scorpion should have never been sent to legends. I had great fun using my iron warriors one in 9th
22:10 JUGGERNAUT STANDING BY
Ive been playing for a while now and im just finding out about 40k legends
The manta being upset that it was not picked
I need plastic falshion and fire raptor asap.
The Astraeus going down to -1ap this edition hurt my soul.
I dont play the tabletop just collecting. But would a full pathfinder team and a ghostkeel be enough for a killteam game? And if so are there specific rules for Farsight Enclaves (thats how im painting them)
They should bring back the Capitol Imperialis!
the garg squig sounds crazy, only concern is it getting screened out
Burnaboyz or flash gitz
A few points, first it can walk over other models (provided there's room to do so)
Second. As above, you run a swat team in there that can punch a hold for the Nobz inside.
Also has an 18 attack sweep profile; all of this and you can't easily stop it with trash infantry or swarms.
im keen to get one in the future@@chetmanley1885
Tau titan looks like something out of battletech
Plastic Squiggoth when?
I love how the hierophant’s melee is still only ap 2
I hope the astreus gets a plastic release
People who splashed out on Forge World models got done really dirty in this edition, unfortunately. I have a whole bunch of models which are now either borderline unplayable, or actually unplayable. At least thanks to this video I was finally able to track down where the rules for the Kytan even were.
Going forwards, though, it's hard to see how GW expect people to still buy the big FW models when they've made it pretty clear that from a rules point of view they don't give a damn.
I was going to get the kytan because I hate the chaos dreadnaught. It's too small. You would think that chaos stuff, swollen with power would be bigger. Now, alongside Marine dreadnoughts, they look silly. They are barely bigger then marines.i use them as obliterators instead. Then upon review, the kytan isn't much bigger.
Personally I prefer the Doomhammer variant. S12, D6+3 shots, and AP -4 Magma Cannon and when shooting at Vehicles and Monsters it's always considered to be in half range allowing you to do D6+6 melta to those targets. Then you get 4 lascannons, 2 twin heavy bolter, and 4 twin heavy flamers. Then run 2 Kasrkin squads with psykers and cadian castellans and throw them inside bc its transport 26 with firing deck 12 and now you have 4 plasma guns, 4 melta guns, 2 psykers with dev wounds, and 2 Plasma pistols and you just rip through everything (could even throw in a singular psyker by themselves just for the hell of it to get even more potential dev wounds). The amount of firepower you can bring to bear and the sheer volume of overwatch is ridiculous.