CrystalLake below has it absolutely right. NEVER zero a RDS by “co-witness” to iron sights. Co-witness means you’re able to see and use your irons through the RDS window as backup if/when your RDS fails. It does NOT mean your site picture should put your RDS dot on the iron front site when shooting. Irons and RDS are two completely different & separate sights. ALWAYS zero by adjusting the point of impact of your group to the point of aim of your RDS with the dot centered in the window. Once zeroed this way the point of impact of your round will then be wherever you place the dot.
The red dot is accurate anywhere in the viewing window, so if the POI is on the front sight when irons are aligned the dot has to be there as well. If not, the dot is not sighted in. You may make some minor adjustments but cowitness will get you very close.
Out of 10 red dot adjustment videos this by far is the best one! I needed to see examples of where your red dot was and you provided it in this video. Thank you brother!👊🏾💯👊🏽
Co-witnessing ur rds to ur irons aka slaving ur red dot to ur irons isn’t the way to go… if ur doing that then what’s the point in paying for a red dot?? Irons and ur red dot are two separate sights therefore ur red dot is primary and ur irons are the back ups.. they co-witness thru the glass for when the optic fails or gets damaged.. sight ur dot to the point of impact by its self not to ur irons!!!
@Kosem72 hell yes it is!!!! Sry I typed out a whole comment thinking you said it was incorrect and posted it before realizing what u actually said lol…. Sry but yes, sighting to point of impact is the whole purpose of having a 🔴 …..
If your iron sights are dead on... this is a great starting point... After I slave my dot to the irons.. then I go back and adjust to point of impact... it is simply a good way to get on paper..then tune to your eyes!!
I think I get it…. Test out the co+witness iron sights first. If they hit target, adjust the red dot to where the iron sight is. Start at 7 yards. If that works then move back to to 10 yards then 15 yards…. Eye opener with easy explanation. I need to get this done so I can get proficient with my EDC and start to carry my STR-9C
Not understanding the back and forth comments on “ Co-witnessing”…. Wouldn’t it completely depend on the height of your iron sights? The gun he is setting up has very high sights with the front sight already close to his red dot position and seems easy to co-witness. I’m setting up a Springfield XDM and the sights are much lower. The amount of change in the red dot position to get it to align with the front sight would be extreme. It seems gun or at least sight specific ( note not attempting to argue the usefulness of “Co witnessing” just if you can do it)
man, I dont know if I would want my irons right in with my dot cluttering things up, but I am not an experienced red dot user at all, as in mine is coming in thursday and I have never used one lol
I have the hardest time understanding how to sight in. Especially with irons. I mean with irons am I supposed to find the amount of yards it's already sighted in at? And if it's shooting to the left or right how do you sight that in?
Question: Do you preffer on your pistol a 3 MOA or a 6 MOA red dot reticle ? Please advise. The reason I am asking your professional opinion is because now I am on the market for a Holusun EPS red dot and would like to know your opinion.
Watching you shoot your first group, I thought to myself, "he'll print a little high". and you did. I think it's because you rocked back after every shot.
which way did you turn your elevation adjustment? clockwise or counter clockwise. I have yet to find a video that says how to sight in red dot with that person showing up close of the actual adjustment and which way they turned those adjustment screws
I hope this helps you since the RMR is mounted at the rear of the pistol, given the design of the optics, the red dot is effectively the front sight... and the front sight is moved in the opposite direction of the desired POI to POA change. Assuming a proper sight picture, moving the front sight (the red dot) to the left pushes the muzzle to the right... and moving the front sight (the red dot) to the right pushes the muzzle to the left. Similarly, a shorter front sight (moving the red dot down) pulls the muzzle up... and a taller front sight (moving the red dot up) pushes the muzzle down. Iron sights work the same way.
just get a sight mark 9mm Bore laser. put the red dots onto each other (i zeroed mine at 25m) im dead on target up to almost 50 yards. and very very very accurate at 7 yards etc (i shoot 135 grain +p)
Exactly what I did. I don't see the point of all this waste of time shooting round after round to sight in the dot. I just put the dot dead center in the glass and adjusted it to the bore laser. Done in 60 seconds.
Hi I sighted in a red dot on my pistol that has a brace 9mm. I sighted it in at 40 feet and shot a 2inch group. I moved closer to 20 feet and I was shooting 2 inches low. I shot it over and over with the same results. It would seem that when I move closer I would be shooting higher. I aimed 2 inches over the bullseye and hit it every time. I guess my thinking is wrong does that seem right to you?
You will shoot low at close distance.... it's the same with irons.. they both sit on top of the gun.....not inline with the barrel... if your dot sits 2 inches above the barrel..the shot will be 2 inches low at point blank... bullets travel in an arch not a straight line..
Exactly what he said^^ When shooting much closer, line up the object you're shooting at with your front sight like nornal but bring the barrel up until the object you're aiming at disappears. As soon as it disappears, your barrel is lined up and ready to take the shot.
Because your iron sights are you tried and true absolute flawless way to bring your bullet on target, RDS is more of a luxury and when installed on a gun should be primary sight therefore when it fails, you can rely on the iron sights as a backup
some red dots have screws that have to be loosened to allow for windage/elevation adjustments; those screws are separate from the actual windage/elevation controls
Why would you not just laser bore sight it? Just stick a laser in the barrel, step out 7 yards in your living room and adjust as needed. When you go to the range, you'll find it sighted in perfectly.
@@abesview5855 they sell them everywhere. It's just a bore sighting laser. It looks like a bullet and shoots a red laser/light out the tip. You just drop in the barrel. The laser points exactly where the barrel is pointed.
I tend to agree that iron sites and red dots are different animals, so perhaps a bit too much emphasis on co-witnessing. Never the less, I appreciate your video, effort, and marksmanship. Just one real nit - please, please stop muzzling yourself! Newer shooters seeing that will think it is okay, and it is definitely not okay.
Simple, to the point video! The illustrations of the red dot moving to the iron sights helps to see what you are thinking. Thanks.
CrystalLake below has it absolutely right. NEVER zero a RDS by “co-witness” to iron sights. Co-witness means you’re able to see and use your irons through the RDS window as backup if/when your RDS fails. It does NOT mean your site picture should put your RDS dot on the iron front site when shooting. Irons and RDS are two completely different & separate sights. ALWAYS zero by adjusting the point of impact of your group to the point of aim of your RDS with the dot centered in the window. Once zeroed this way the point of impact of your round will then be wherever you place the dot.
The red dot is accurate anywhere in the viewing window, so if the POI is on the front sight when irons are aligned the dot has to be there as well. If not, the dot is not sighted in. You may make some minor adjustments but cowitness will get you very close.
@John Jacob Exactly. Put it this way; if your dot is not on the iron sights, the iron sights are not sighted in.
Excellent advice given. This is exactly how I sight in my red dot sight with co-wittnes iron sights.
Out of 10 red dot adjustment videos this by far is the best one! I needed to see examples of where your red dot was and you provided it in this video. Thank you brother!👊🏾💯👊🏽
Thanks for the break down very good easy to understand.
Co-witnessing ur rds to ur irons aka slaving ur red dot to ur irons isn’t the way to go… if ur doing that then what’s the point in paying for a red dot?? Irons and ur red dot are two separate sights therefore ur red dot is primary and ur irons are the back ups.. they co-witness thru the glass for when the optic fails or gets damaged.. sight ur dot to the point of impact by its self not to ur irons!!!
@Kosem72 hell yes it is!!!! Sry I typed out a whole comment thinking you said it was incorrect and posted it before realizing what u actually said lol…. Sry but yes, sighting to point of impact is the whole purpose of having a 🔴 …..
I must agree with you 100% on this. I was taught to NEVER slave your RDS to your irons.
100% Agree. NEVER slave your dot.
I’m having a horrible time zeroing my red dot
Any videos you recommend to help with that
I recently got a Shield SMS2
@@BioGloo check out the channel Sage Dynamics. He has many videos on it.
You hardly ever want to lollipop a red dot on a pistol like you would a rifle. Tons of great information out there as to why.
Best video I have seen on how to zero in a red dot sight. Thank you.
Thank you this was so helpful!!
Best example I've seen. Great stuff!!!
Great video Sir! 👍🏻
THANK YOU!!! Perfect!
The first 5 shot group is the definition of precise
When sighting in I guess I don't need a bench rest. Great video,
If your iron sights are dead on... this is a great starting point... After I slave my dot to the irons.. then I go back and adjust to point of impact... it is simply a good way to get on paper..then tune to your eyes!!
...days....weeks.....months later.... i just was leared more in minutes quick... versus so much time being lost....
....thank you fella...yep....!!!
That is some John WICK shooting wow new sub.
This is a very good optic at a good price point
Wow..tight group.
I think I get it…. Test out the co+witness iron sights first. If they hit target, adjust the red dot to where the iron sight is. Start at 7 yards. If that works then move back to to 10 yards then 15 yards…. Eye opener with easy explanation. I need to get this done so I can get proficient with my EDC and start to carry my STR-9C
Not understanding the back and forth comments on “ Co-witnessing”…. Wouldn’t it completely depend on the height of your iron sights? The gun he is setting up has very high sights with the front sight already close to his red dot position and seems easy to co-witness. I’m setting up a Springfield XDM and the sights are much lower. The amount of change in the red dot position to get it to align with the front sight would be extreme. It seems gun or at least sight specific ( note not attempting to argue the usefulness of “Co witnessing” just if you can do it)
man, I dont know if I would want my irons right in with my dot cluttering things up, but I am not an experienced red dot user at all, as in mine is coming in thursday and I have never used one lol
I have the hardest time understanding how to sight in. Especially with irons. I mean with irons am I supposed to find the amount of yards it's already sighted in at? And if it's shooting to the left or right how do you sight that in?
Question: Do you preffer on your pistol a 3 MOA or a 6 MOA red dot reticle ? Please advise. The reason I am asking your professional opinion is because now I am on the market for a Holusun EPS red dot and would like to know your opinion.
Yes sir
Watching you shoot your first group, I thought to myself, "he'll print a little high". and you did. I think it's because you rocked back after every shot.
this is the way I Do it . I am a beginner
which way did you turn your elevation adjustment? clockwise or counter clockwise. I have yet to find a video that says how to sight in red dot with that person showing up close of the actual adjustment and which way they turned those adjustment screws
Usually there's a "U' or "R" with arrows. You either go the direction of the arrow or the opposite.
I hope this helps you since the RMR is mounted at the rear of the pistol, given the design of the optics, the red dot is effectively the front sight... and the front sight is moved in the opposite direction of the desired POI to POA change.
Assuming a proper sight picture, moving the front sight (the red dot) to the left pushes the muzzle to the right... and moving the front sight (the red dot) to the right pushes the muzzle to the left.
Similarly, a shorter front sight (moving the red dot down) pulls the muzzle up... and a taller front sight (moving the red dot up) pushes the muzzle down.
Iron sights work the same way.
just get a sight mark 9mm Bore laser. put the red dots onto each other (i zeroed mine at 25m) im dead on target up to almost 50 yards. and very very very accurate at 7 yards etc (i shoot 135 grain +p)
Exactly what I did. I don't see the point of all this waste of time shooting round after round to sight in the dot. I just put the dot dead center in the glass and adjusted it to the bore laser. Done in 60 seconds.
Quick question- is your red dot centered in the reticle (when on target) as well? Or does that not matter?
That should not matter. Especially from close distances
My same question. Upon cowitness of the dot, can you going forward get on target with the dot centered in the window?
Hi I sighted in a red dot on my pistol that has a brace 9mm. I sighted it in at 40 feet and shot a 2inch group. I moved closer to 20 feet and I was shooting 2 inches low. I shot it over and over with the same results. It would seem that when I move closer I would be shooting higher. I aimed 2 inches over the bullseye and hit it every time. I guess my thinking is wrong does that seem right to you?
You will shoot low at close distance.... it's the same with irons.. they both sit on top of the gun.....not inline with the barrel... if your dot sits 2 inches above the barrel..the shot will be 2 inches low at point blank... bullets travel in an arch not a straight line..
Exactly what he said^^
When shooting much closer, line up the object you're shooting at with your front sight like nornal but bring the barrel up until the object you're aiming at disappears. As soon as it disappears, your barrel is lined up and ready to take the shot.
firsties.. Cant believe there's no comments yet
What the hell was I doing prior....thank you
Why is there conflicting information about co- witness your iron with the dot?
Because your iron sights are you tried and true absolute flawless way to bring your bullet on target, RDS is more of a luxury and when installed on a gun should be primary sight therefore when it fails, you can rely on the iron sights as a backup
My venom can't adjust the red dot on the screen. How to adjust it?
some red dots have screws that have to be loosened to allow for windage/elevation adjustments; those screws are separate from the actual windage/elevation controls
This is assuming your iron sights are already zeroed.
Why would you not just laser bore sight it? Just stick a laser in the barrel, step out 7 yards in your living room and adjust as needed. When you go to the range, you'll find it sighted in perfectly.
U should be in nasa🔥
@@carlosirizarry1607 how do you know where I work?
Where can I get a laser that fits perfectly center inside my barrel?
@@abesview5855 they sell them everywhere. It's just a bore sighting laser. It looks like a bullet and shoots a red laser/light out the tip. You just drop in the barrel. The laser points exactly where the barrel is pointed.
@@jayb7675 Gonna have to order me one! Thanks!
So at what yards should I sight it in?
20-25 at most
10 yards is best
ummmmm i think this is exactly how you don’t zero a red dot lmaooo
9mm or .45 your bullet
I tend to agree that iron sites and red dots are different animals, so perhaps a bit too much emphasis on co-witnessing. Never the less, I appreciate your video, effort, and marksmanship. Just one real nit - please, please stop muzzling yourself! Newer shooters seeing that will think it is okay, and it is definitely not okay.
But for aiming at 10 or 15 yards you don't need a red dot.
I do😫
Why not ? Asking because I’m new to the gun scene
@@youngdanz8149
Bullet still goes straight, iron sights should be enough.
@@alfe1402 what are lasers really used for than ?
@@youngdanz8149
Don't waist your money in cool accessories, just buy bullets and train.
You didn't zero anything. All perfect from the box. What did I learn. Sorry