A lot of people actually use silicone oil on their bucking when they go to shave it down for flat hop. It makes it easier to turn it inside out so you can shave the mound and guideline off.
i appreciate this man's dedication. he could have just dropped the rubbers into the gun but he still took it apart to make sure there wasn't going to be any other variables. wish we had a clone of you in the US!
i was thinking the entire time : " i use gbbr's , every gas i can get my hands on easily has silicon lube in it. so the rubber naturally will get some with every shot. if it was bad for it i should know that by now, and ive never noticed." of course excessive lube will impact your accuracy, but then you clean it of and it should be good
Exactly I clean my friends 1911 here and there green has does most of the work for me I just make sure the rings ain't dry or cracking and it's good to go!
@@jediknight1294 the moment you lube any part that is in the way of flow of the propane its gonna carry the lube with it. lubed the seals on the mag valves/the piston of the gbb system and its gonna get carried everywhere in use. you just gotta clean it regularly. or lube it regularly. its the same effort imo, with green gas running less risk of any seal "running dry"
Remember when you could just blitz everything in Halfords silicone spray? Cleaned barrels, maintained hop rubbers, lubed the cylinder, got the finger prints off the outside. Half expecting ceramic clear coat for car detailing to become the next thing to trend on top of cerakoting.
and note, he didnt say put the silicone inside the hop rubber either. Lubing outside is enough so that the rubber can soak up some oil to keep it nice and flexible. Cleaning them heavily with alcohol will almost certainly DRY out the rubber. too much silicone will cause the rubber to swell too much and weaken its structure. Clean with soapy water and dry with air, and apply silicone to the whole thing and wipe off excess. esp the inside. this is what I do and I use ML's exclusively. after 2 years never had to replace one yet.
Personally silicone on the outside when inserting the bucking, then clean the hop mound with alcohol. Silicone around the bucking keeps it supple, alcohol on the hop mound keeps it grippy for efficient hop. 😊 Results are occasionally dependent on bucking material though, one exception being KWA and their lovely swelling buckings 😅
One of my first hop rubber changes many years ago, I can't remember what brand it was, I think it may have been a madbull accelerator hop rubber, it said on the packet to apply silicon oil on the outside of the rubber before installing. I've been doing it ever since on every hop rubber I've had.
Interesting I’ve never heard anyone say silicone oil will damage a hop rubber. That doesn’t even make any sense to think that it does lol. Ive heard for my whole life that you need to clean your barrel and hop up with silicone oil. But then later I was told that you actually need to clean your barrel and rubber with alcohol to maintain consistent friction characteristics between the bb and hop rubber. That made sense to me so I started using alcohol. I noticed a pretty big difference in consistency after switching to alcohol. It’s been years since the switch and I’ve had no issues with my hop rubber drying out. Perfect air seal too. Obviously I don’t drown the rubber in alcohol, I just clean the patch and lips with a dab on some cotton fabric. I’d also imagine that the effects of alcohol vary on different hop rubber compounds.
It doesnt "damage" it. It reduces the friction coefficient between the BBs and the bucking. Which makes your shots a random mess. THE BUCKING IS SUPPOSED TO BE BONE DRY.
I've always cleaned old lube off with alcohol, but then added a little bit if oil after to keep things nice and supple. Works a treat after a long and dusty game
I suspect the "lube damages buckings" saying comes from people using wd-40, or some other petroleum lube. That might do something, but silicone lube will leave silicone rubber alone.
The Silicone lube will leave your bucking with a randomly reduced friction coefficient. Which makes your shots a random mess. Some will hop harder, some will not hop at all. Keep your fucking bucking dry.
Luke, here is one caveat to putting lube on a hop rubber. I just repaired a GBB KSC MP9 Japan version for a customer (2008 model). The replacement hop rubbers from KSC are garbage. Unfortunately they are the only ones available for that gun (they are oversized and not standard KWA sized) if you put silicon lube on them it will soak it up like a sponge and render the skirt lip useless for holding a bb in place. The violent blowback action will push the bbs too far into the hop chamber. In this system the rocket valve is integral to the nozzle and must contact the bb to open it and fire the bb. If the bb goes too far into the chamber it will not contact the bb and a misfire will occur. ONLY until the second bb enters the chamber will it fire because the first bb is still in there and thusly causing a double feed after the rocket valve touches the second bb in the chamber. This is one of those cases when you should under no circumstances put silicon oil on your hop rubber anywhere. 2 weeks later the guy calls me and tells me his gun stopped firing bbs. When i returned the gun the first time I instructed him to stop using silicon oil green gas and use straight propane or oil free gas. The gun was firing flawlessly. When I arrived to look at the gun there was silicon oil all over the outside of the gun. My first question, "were you using that crap green gas with oil in it?" Sure enough he was. I explained to him AGAIN that gun was never designed to run green gas in the first place, it was a japan version so only duster gas should be used in it or oil free gas. I cleaned the rubber very thoroughly with dish soap to help leach some of the silicon oil out of it. I managed to use some black rtv sealant to strengthen the skirt lip by spreading a thin layer on the outside of the rubber around the skirt side. we will see how it holds up.
I've always used and combination of alcohol and silicone lube. I clean the rubber with dish soap and warm water, run through and over with alcohol and a q-tip, then I lube the outside of the bucking with silicone. the alcohol keeps the inside clean for maximum traction on the bb and outside supple enough for ideal air seal. In my experience fps is consistent and the hopup shoot lasers. I clean my barrel separately with silicone, fyi.
That's great the problem is you rarely know what the 'rubber' actually is, silicone does eat certain of the synthetic rubbers out there. It's such a nightmare to get right, maple leaf at least tell you the exact material. If yiu ever deal with a vitron rubber like the ksc gas smg rubbers (which are wank in so many ways) they swell with silicone oil and it means the thing doesn't speed.
Just a PSA, Isopropyl alcohol is not the same as regular booze. Alcohol is a term that encompasses a broad range of compounds. Ethanol is the type found in alcoholic beverages intended for consumption. All other types of alcohol are extremely dangerous to consume, and could very easily lead to blindness or fatal organ failure. Pure ethanol will have similar properties to pure isopropyl alcohol in terms of interactions with rubber, but only one of them could be safely consumed by a human.
I've seen over time silicone oil in the gas causing a kwa mp9 hop rubber to swell. However I regularly put silicone oil on a bucking to help insert it into a hop unit, for a smoooooooooth insertion. Alcohol drys anything out. But at the levels you use to clean a barrel. I doubt anything would happen. But for a £10 part that should last a long time with little to no care. Why worry
got bored and left a rubber piston head in a cup of silicone oil for a few hours. Thing QUADRUPLED in size lmao. after 4 months it shrunk back to normal. Very cool test, this probably highlights that modern hop up rubbers are more durable than past rubbers. For me, a drop of lube on the outside to keep it healthy, and if some alcohol gets on it from cleaning the inner, wont worry about it.
15+ years ago this was common knowledge and everyone was lubing their rubbers then all of a sudden some TH-cam cleans his his sniper rifle with alcohol and lube is instantly the worst thing for you. Some people must just love it dry.
Open an ICS, rip the hop rubber out, notice how the outside has a good amount of silicone grease on it and the inside is dry. That's how you are supposed to do it.
I would question anyone that leaves there hoo rubbers to soak in IPA...lol. My hop rubber etc all gets completely disasembled when i clean my inner barrel... Then i use IPA on my cloth to clean the inner barrel only, then its dried and then all reasembled again after... If the hop rubber is dirty then a wash with soapy water and a rinse, then leave to dry... Never had any issues with anything doing it like this...
When using a silicone based lube, avoid using it with Solid silicone rubbers. If the hop rubber is silicone and the lube is silicone based, it can actually melt. Try it out on some adult toys and you'll see it happen in front of your eyes. As for if hop rubbers are made out of silicone, I have no idea. Just be aware that the possibility does exist.
woa im glad the older science stuff is getting recommended to me. So I never thought usage of alcohol was a good idea. But i did think that usage of silicone green gas is a bad idea down the barrel. I guess this changes things. I still only apply lube to the outside of my rubber a tiny amount. But good to know.
So Noveritch did a cleaning video stating not to lube your hop rubber and to use denatured alcohol to clean your barrel which is right to clean your barrel but he’s using a sniper rifle so you wouldn’t want to disrupt the bb by adding a sticky substance down the barrel but certainly you’d want to keep the bucking and nub supple and healthy still. This is prob where people are getting this notion? I know Air gun (non airsoft) BB GUN collectors state n vids to also not use oil down your barrel ,so that may contribute aswell. It’s common sense to us here that in airsoft you’d just be rubber burning (like carpet burns)your bbs if you didn’t use some type of lube on your hop rubber. You’d be burning off your nub if it was dry,and too much lube or too thick of a lube on the rubber and down your barrel will dramatically slow the bb down and jam the barrel. We just brush a thin swipe all over the entire thing to keep it healthy from drying out and wearing the nub too soon,just oiling you’re mags will splatter oil into the nub aswell so just do it when you clean your barrels. Gas or propane will eat up the nub and rubber too so oil keeps a nice barrier between the two.
IPA became popular around 2014-15 mainly because it is a good degreaser and it's a selling point to the technically ignorant because IPA genuinely doesn't leave a residue...thing is any residue that's potentially left from a barrel swabbed with a silicone spray soaked piece of cloth is inconsequential. People need to read their manuals, certainly in the early 2000s almost all of them instructed the use of silicon spray in the hop after use.
I used silicon lube on my bucking and stopped playing for like 5 years and left it on I took it out the other day and it’s fine and it still had the lube on it so idt it will do anything to the rubber.
i tend to just run a everclear soaked cotton bud down the barrel of a new rifle just to make sure to get all the shit off the rubber and out of the inside of the barrel, hadn't steered me wrong in the past decade, plus if people are really worried about the rubber drying out, could always just put a drop of oil on the outside of the rubber to keep it supple,.
Been using lube (silicone) for cleaning my inner barrels (with rolling filters) for years!! i also lube my rubbers with it never had any issues what so ever! i don't use alcohol on rifs (only for my consumption) so i can't comment on that.
Silicone lube is being used to condition rubbers and seals in (classic) cars. Because that hydrates, but doesn't swell or crack the rubber. Guess what, I have a silicone hop rubber. Why would I not use silicone oil to condition it? Nice video!
The fact that there are people out there think that Alcohol and rubber get along is just sad, The next evolution of this is "use denatured alchohol" instead! It's better!... The fact that are multiple figures "of expertise" out there says lube is bad for you bucking are most likely in the same crowd that says you can "over" lubricate your gears. The internet is a sad, sad place at times. Great vid, sad that you had to make.
I would like to mention that the lube should have zero additives and be pure silicone oil or an oil that doesn't damage plastics. Certain silicone oils have additives that can actually damage the rubber.
Negative airsoft, would you do a TM 870 video or any other gas variant? You're the only person I would trust with a guide for this of any kind, I feel like I'm not getting the best performance out of my jag arms scattergun and would like to see your take on it
Lube the outside of the hop rubber and clean the inside of the hop rubber with isoprohol alcohol, lubing the outside keeps the rubber in a condition where it won't crack over time. Please tell me If I'm Wrong in doing this way.
May be considered wrong, yes. The 13 minute video above is leaning towards the end of the spectrum that we don't really need any cleaning agents anywhere near our hop rubbers... When you clean your hop rubber with alcohol (no matter the percentage or how diluted it is) how much of a 'clean' are you looking to achieve? Lets not overthink this, we're only wiping away light amounts of surface grime. you can literally use Q-tips that are dry and or lightly lubricated to wipe down rubbers or if you feel you need to add any cleaning agent then a bit of dish soap and water... Edit: At least that is what I think the video was getting at... alcohol on hop rubbers is meh.
L.C.T G3 A3. Worth the money or not ? I'd like 1 but need a heads up, on quality. I bought a JG G3 ( first gun) but Im looking to buy a 2nd rifle to step up my kit.👍
I clean my barrel with iso alcohol sure some gets on my rubbers. I lube the outside but not the inside of rubbers as i find that the bbs dont hop as well with lube, it definetely doesnt damage with either though. Its all about using the right tool for the right job tbh
So when I first got into Airsoft I went to the hardware store to try and find silicone spray and I found some but it wasn't the right shit and it ruined all the rubber parts in my gun but rc shock oil or Airsoft silicone spray is safe on rubber but I bet someone that didn't know better did what I did the first time and ruined their shit and went straight to the good ol internet to " educate " everyone
@Johnny Dong holy shit... You can make a video proving shit wrong and there are still people (like you) that still argue because they read it on the internet... I've been playing airsoft for ten plus years and I've always used rc shock oil which is 100% silicon oil and I've never had a hop rubber swell
Dry as peach skin on my hops. If they crack, I replace them. So far none have cracked or dried out yet and its been two years with my krys. Weird... Id strongly recommend leaving the hop dry.
Some of these mad lads in Florida send me guns that are dripping wet with silicone lube in and out of the whole hop. And they ask me why their gun is so shooting like shit I tell them maybe not soak the whole thing in lube? Funnily enough when they get the gun back and dry it up a bit and shoot it they end up with much tighter groupings at 200ft.
@@javelinx1330 That's like anything though - I'm sure your car wouldn't run if you doused every part of the engine in tonnes of oil & petrol, you still need the correct amount though ;-)
New airsoft i did a school boy error tho with new gun before a game lube all my mags lube the hop too with a fuck ton of lube i mean like half a can lol yeah things was fun try to set the hop lets just say i know know how to strip it to clean it out
What about dry lube with teflon? i've personaly used technical vaseline (acid-free) to seal up space betwen rubber and barrel, effect is only discoloration after about 2-3 years.
I think the problem people typically have is that they don't do what you said, and they spray a bunch of lube in the barrel and let it sit. The Lube is going to build up gunk but if you clean it out right away you re gonna be golden.
No lube in the fucking barrel you moron. Silicone enriched gas should do that for you. All you are doing is impairing your precision and making your hop up a random mess.
Could you help me find a umarex tavor compatable hop up unit thats better than stock? Ive looked all over and cant seem to find one, im also a noob to working on guns and it seems to me that your the best person for the job :-)
I've always smeared a little dab of silicon oil on the outside of the rubber to help with seating into tight hop-up units, then get screamed at by people who think rubbers should be 100% dry for their entire lifespan. I miss my CA SA58 now lol
Usually should u lube the inside of the bucking or just the outside? Keep hearing people saying the inside needs to be dry so it has more friction on the bbs to give backspin, but I'm not sure if it's true
Hey, i'm new to airsoft and i love the brutal honesty in your vids, speaking of that, i got a Specna Arms M4 model as a starter, what do you think about those? SA-A29-M to be exact, what should i look out for? thanks!
dumbass question but the vfc gearboxes already have a mosfet installed into them, will putting in a warfet still be possible or should I just replace the wiring already in it?
Well alcohol is good for cleaning so why not just wipe barrel and rubber with alcohol, then dry, then lube and then wipe dry one last time to remove the excesses
at least the inside. hop happens from the bb being spun by the nub and if its wet then it'll sping it one way, and then spin it differently as the lube rubs off.
So Ive been looking for a nice little PDW that I don't have to do shit too in order to play speed soft and I know you've said the Avalon gearbox isn't that great and that's what VFC is putting in their MP5' so I've been looking at the new PDW-M Krytac and was just wondering what your opinion on Krytac is since you work on alot of guns
@@isaacshively6705 Oh wow that's nice, personally I would never go with a Krytac since they are low key proprietary but since you don't plan on modifying it, it sounds like a good Idea, other great options for a cqb gun would probably be the Kwa qrf or a g&g arp 556 but that's all up to you
Yeah I didn't know you shouldn't use silicone oil and my hop rubber broke down and melted so big waste of $10 that's why I hate airsoft sometimes hop rubbers are a waste of money, they tear and breakdown so easily so you have to keep buying them
Eh something else could be up for that fps difference. The lips could somehow be slightly different and there also could be difference in how tight the packing sits in the chamber. I think what most people mean when they say lube breaks it is that the hop up basically goes away until the lube is flushed out, I know I have experienced it with putting oil in gas mags when I was more stupid.
Ommfg! You've just hit gold!!! Don't lube your hop rubber or it breaks it however when mids don't feed the manufacturer tells you silicone lube fixes it & not to take your mag apart!!! That is better than ANY argument I could make against the "no means no" crowd! Honestly, thank you!
Negative Airsoft I’m having a real stupid moment, are you agreeing with me or is it the great internet sarcasm that I just can’t tell because brain power is low right now.
Head Wreck generally promethius ones seem to be good but may need modification. Maple leaf is a very very good brand of hop up parts. So take a look at them.
I always pick up a couple because some guns don't like some rubbers, my Specna Arms hop chamber fits the Maple Leaf rubbers really tight and they were folding up inside the hop chamber so I put a Promy Purple in and it works great and I gained 20fps over the stock rubber
Anyone else use chicken tika masala lube on their hop rubbers?
I prefer to marinate mine
Lamb Vindalube
A lot of people actually use silicone oil on their bucking when they go to shave it down for flat hop. It makes it easier to turn it inside out so you can shave the mound and guideline off.
Listen buddy, this isn't the place for good advice.
Go stand in the corner
A lot of people who manipulate their Hop up bucking are stupid.
@@baronhelmut2701 a lot of people are stupid. I saved you some words.
If Chef Ramsey was an Airsoft tech
Love your vids man!
Well said 👍
i appreciate this man's dedication. he could have just dropped the rubbers into the gun but he still took it apart to make sure there wasn't going to be any other variables. wish we had a clone of you in the US!
I wash new rubbers with dish soap and rinse and dry thoroughly. When I install I use silicone oil on the outside when I put it in the chamber.
@Johnny Dong why lol
i was thinking the entire time : " i use gbbr's , every gas i can get my hands on easily has silicon lube in it. so the rubber naturally will get some with every shot. if it was bad for it i should know that by now, and ive never noticed."
of course excessive lube will impact your accuracy, but then you clean it of and it should be good
Exactly I clean my friends 1911 here and there green has does most of the work for me I just make sure the rings ain't dry or cracking and it's good to go!
That's the draw of propane in theory means you can lube targeted areas and get less on the inside of the rubber
@@jediknight1294 the moment you lube any part that is in the way of flow of the propane its gonna carry the lube with it. lubed the seals on the mag valves/the piston of the gbb system and its gonna get carried everywhere in use. you just gotta clean it regularly. or lube it regularly. its the same effort imo, with green gas running less risk of any seal "running dry"
"Booze and lube"
And just like that, you have my attention.
I am learning alot from you sir👍
I just thought of something my wife has implants so if she soaks them in silicon spray will they perform better for me?
@@javelinx1330 dry hop rubbers cause flyers so good luck bud
isaac shively sorry I accidentally posted this comment in the wrong spot
Remember when you could just blitz everything in Halfords silicone spray? Cleaned barrels, maintained hop rubbers, lubed the cylinder, got the finger prints off the outside.
Half expecting ceramic clear coat for car detailing to become the next thing to trend on top of cerakoting.
So you have implants?
Why not do some butt exersizes.
And then have fun:3
I feel like you should make a video. 🤔😂
and note, he didnt say put the silicone inside the hop rubber either. Lubing outside is enough so that the rubber can soak up some oil to keep it nice and flexible. Cleaning them heavily with alcohol will almost certainly DRY out the rubber. too much silicone will cause the rubber to swell too much and weaken its structure. Clean with soapy water and dry with air, and apply silicone to the whole thing and wipe off excess. esp the inside. this is what I do and I use ML's exclusively. after 2 years never had to replace one yet.
Personally silicone on the outside when inserting the bucking, then clean the hop mound with alcohol.
Silicone around the bucking keeps it supple, alcohol on the hop mound keeps it grippy for efficient hop. 😊
Results are occasionally dependent on bucking material though, one exception being KWA and their lovely swelling buckings 😅
Love kwa, hate that there hop units are proprietary and the stock rubbers swell. I use a+ reaps buckings in all my gbb kwa's and they perform well.
One of my first hop rubber changes many years ago, I can't remember what brand it was, I think it may have been a madbull accelerator hop rubber, it said on the packet to apply silicon oil on the outside of the rubber before installing. I've been doing it ever since on every hop rubber I've had.
Interesting I’ve never heard anyone say silicone oil will damage a hop rubber. That doesn’t even make any sense to think that it does lol. Ive heard for my whole life that you need to clean your barrel and hop up with silicone oil. But then later I was told that you actually need to clean your barrel and rubber with alcohol to maintain consistent friction characteristics between the bb and hop rubber. That made sense to me so I started using alcohol. I noticed a pretty big difference in consistency after switching to alcohol. It’s been years since the switch and I’ve had no issues with my hop rubber drying out. Perfect air seal too. Obviously I don’t drown the rubber in alcohol, I just clean the patch and lips with a dab on some cotton fabric. I’d also imagine that the effects of alcohol vary on different hop rubber compounds.
It buggers with consistency of on the inside that's about it, there are some lubricants that attack silicone though.
@@jediknight1294 yea petroleum derived lubricants will eat silicone. I actually use WD40 to remove silicone caulk lol
@@EuthanasiaSUPREME there's all sorts of weird shit out there it's such a nightmare. I tend to use benzene but it's hard to get now
It doesnt "damage" it. It reduces the friction coefficient between the BBs and the bucking. Which makes your shots a random mess. THE BUCKING IS SUPPOSED TO BE BONE DRY.
I prefer to KY Jelly down my barrel. Well... I did until I ran out, but got loads of raspberry jelly to use instead. Definitely 110% reccomend.
did this a year ago. same rubber 1.2 billion shots through of .42 g bbs at 1000 fps it still shoots as straight as an arrow
I've always cleaned old lube off with alcohol, but then added a little bit if oil after to keep things nice and supple. Works a treat after a long and dusty game
Lovely blue lawn sir!
I like to use strawberry flavoured lube on mine.
You do like that "barrel" to taste nice don't you 😜
dpchief117 I slapped my Mp5 charging handle and it said “Harder, Daddy”
Noice
I'm more of a banana man myself
Vanilla flavored lube in my G18c, mmmmmmmmmmmmm
I suspect the "lube damages buckings" saying comes from people using wd-40, or some other petroleum lube. That might do something, but silicone lube will leave silicone rubber alone.
Wd40 isn't a lubricant it's a cleaning and water repellant, it's basically almost entirely a solvent.
The Silicone lube will leave your bucking with a randomly reduced friction coefficient. Which makes your shots a random mess. Some will hop harder, some will not hop at all. Keep your fucking bucking dry.
Luke, here is one caveat to putting lube on a hop rubber. I just repaired a GBB KSC MP9 Japan version for a customer (2008 model). The replacement hop rubbers from KSC are garbage. Unfortunately they are the only ones available for that gun (they are oversized and not standard KWA sized) if you put silicon lube on them it will soak it up like a sponge and render the skirt lip useless for holding a bb in place. The violent blowback action will push the bbs too far into the hop chamber. In this system the rocket valve is integral to the nozzle and must contact the bb to open it and fire the bb. If the bb goes too far into the chamber it will not contact the bb and a misfire will occur. ONLY until the second bb enters the chamber will it fire because the first bb is still in there and thusly causing a double feed after the rocket valve touches the second bb in the chamber. This is one of those cases when you should under no circumstances put silicon oil on your hop rubber anywhere. 2 weeks later the guy calls me and tells me his gun stopped firing bbs. When i returned the gun the first time I instructed him to stop using silicon oil green gas and use straight propane or oil free gas. The gun was firing flawlessly. When I arrived to look at the gun there was silicon oil all over the outside of the gun. My first question, "were you using that crap green gas with oil in it?" Sure enough he was. I explained to him AGAIN that gun was never designed to run green gas in the first place, it was a japan version so only duster gas should be used in it or oil free gas. I cleaned the rubber very thoroughly with dish soap to help leach some of the silicon oil out of it. I managed to use some black rtv sealant to strengthen the skirt lip by spreading a thin layer on the outside of the rubber around the skirt side. we will see how it holds up.
I've always used and combination of alcohol and silicone lube. I clean the rubber with dish soap and warm water, run through and over with alcohol and a q-tip, then I lube the outside of the bucking with silicone. the alcohol keeps the inside clean for maximum traction on the bb and outside supple enough for ideal air seal. In my experience fps is consistent and the hopup shoot lasers. I clean my barrel separately with silicone, fyi.
Haha love your videos m8 👍
Everyone should know that silicon keeps rubber soft and not cracking over time thats what silicon spray is for 😁
That's great the problem is you rarely know what the 'rubber' actually is, silicone does eat certain of the synthetic rubbers out there.
It's such a nightmare to get right, maple leaf at least tell you the exact material.
If yiu ever deal with a vitron rubber like the ksc gas smg rubbers (which are wank in so many ways) they swell with silicone oil and it means the thing doesn't speed.
Just a PSA, Isopropyl alcohol is not the same as regular booze. Alcohol is a term that encompasses a broad range of compounds. Ethanol is the type found in alcoholic beverages intended for consumption. All other types of alcohol are extremely dangerous to consume, and could very easily lead to blindness or fatal organ failure.
Pure ethanol will have similar properties to pure isopropyl alcohol in terms of interactions with rubber, but only one of them could be safely consumed by a human.
I've seen over time silicone oil in the gas causing a kwa mp9 hop rubber to swell. However I regularly put silicone oil on a bucking to help insert it into a hop unit, for a smoooooooooth insertion. Alcohol drys anything out. But at the levels you use to clean a barrel. I doubt anything would happen. But for a £10 part that should last a long time with little to no care. Why worry
@Johnny Dong yes, different hop rubbers made from different materials could react differently
got bored and left a rubber piston head in a cup of silicone oil for a few hours. Thing QUADRUPLED in size lmao. after 4 months it shrunk back to normal.
Very cool test, this probably highlights that modern hop up rubbers are more durable than past rubbers.
For me, a drop of lube on the outside to keep it healthy, and if some alcohol gets on it from cleaning the inner, wont worry about it.
That SA58 !! my wet dream
15+ years ago this was common knowledge and everyone was lubing their rubbers then all of a sudden some TH-cam cleans his his sniper rifle with alcohol and lube is instantly the worst thing for you. Some people must just love it dry.
Trust me when I say this, don't go in dry with your rubber, long story short I could really use that extra 300quid a month
Open an ICS, rip the hop rubber out, notice how the outside has a good amount of silicone grease on it and the inside is dry. That's how you are supposed to do it.
I would question anyone that leaves there hoo rubbers to soak in IPA...lol.
My hop rubber etc all gets completely disasembled when i clean my inner barrel...
Then i use IPA on my cloth to clean the inner barrel only, then its dried and then all reasembled again after...
If the hop rubber is dirty then a wash with soapy water and a rinse, then leave to dry...
Never had any issues with anything doing it like this...
Like I said, could just be a fussy rubber, could have dried out... dunno.
I too cleaned the rubbers in warm soapy water between tests.
When using a silicone based lube, avoid using it with Solid silicone rubbers. If the hop rubber is silicone and the lube is silicone based, it can actually melt. Try it out on some adult toys and you'll see it happen in front of your eyes. As for if hop rubbers are made out of silicone, I have no idea. Just be aware that the possibility does exist.
Who else Lubes his rubbers with Smashed Brains of Pure TM Recoil Users ???
woa im glad the older science stuff is getting recommended to me. So I never thought usage of alcohol was a good idea. But i did think that usage of silicone green gas is a bad idea down the barrel. I guess this changes things. I still only apply lube to the outside of my rubber a tiny amount. But good to know.
Aloha Braddah! U-DA-MAN! Great video , great info! Laughing my ass off! 🇺🇸🇬🇧😎🤙
So Noveritch did a cleaning video stating not to lube your hop rubber and to use denatured alcohol to clean your barrel which is right to clean your barrel but he’s using a sniper rifle so you wouldn’t want to disrupt the bb by adding a sticky substance down the barrel but certainly you’d want to keep the bucking and nub supple and healthy still.
This is prob where people are getting this notion? I know Air gun (non airsoft) BB GUN collectors state n vids to also not use oil down your barrel ,so that may contribute aswell.
It’s common sense to us here that in airsoft you’d just be rubber burning (like carpet burns)your bbs if you didn’t use some type of lube on your hop rubber. You’d be burning off your nub if it was dry,and too much lube or too thick of a lube on the rubber and down your barrel will dramatically slow the bb down and jam the barrel.
We just brush a thin swipe all over the entire thing to keep it healthy from drying out and wearing the nub too soon,just oiling you’re mags will splatter oil into the nub aswell so just do it when you clean your barrels.
Gas or propane will eat up the nub and rubber too so oil keeps a nice barrier between the two.
Well what he doesn't know can fill a warehouse...
This dude is actually Gordon Ramsay
@@Liam-nh3vw plopfacebumhead
Who da fux been saying this bollocks, thanks for sacrificing these maple leaf rubbers
IPA became popular around 2014-15 mainly because it is a good degreaser and it's a selling point to the technically ignorant because IPA genuinely doesn't leave a residue...thing is any residue that's potentially left from a barrel swabbed with a silicone spray soaked piece of cloth is inconsequential.
People need to read their manuals, certainly in the early 2000s almost all of them instructed the use of silicon spray in the hop after use.
Jokes on you, I don't have a hop rubber
Its doesn't hurt it but in gbb/vsr10 rubbers it causes the bbs to slip and no longer hop
Can you line up your new mats pattern with your cameras boarder please. Driving my ocd crazy. Cheers.
i wonder... if i could actually use some ky as a substitute, if i was ever in such a pinch...?
J.s i have never not one time used any kind of oil on my rubbers . I give them the ope spit and twist to install. If they get hard change them .
Do you ever wrap the rubber to get an airseal?
If they get hard, change them?
Lube them, they don't get hard!!
Fml
Spit and spin and lots of plumbers tape right
I used silicon lube on my bucking and stopped playing for like 5 years and left it on I took it out the other day and it’s fine and it still had the lube on it so idt it will do anything to the rubber.
i tend to just run a everclear soaked cotton bud down the barrel of a new rifle just to make sure to get all the shit off the rubber and out of the inside of the barrel, hadn't steered me wrong in the past decade, plus if people are really worried about the rubber drying out, could always just put a drop of oil on the outside of the rubber to keep it supple,.
Been using lube (silicone) for cleaning my inner barrels (with rolling filters) for years!! i also lube my rubbers with it never had any issues what so ever! i don't use alcohol on rifs (only for my consumption) so i can't comment on that.
The way I see it, alcohol dries things out.
It also acts as a thinner for oil based products....
Why would you want that on your rubber?
@@NegativeAirsoftTech if any dirty grease, or oil, or filth gets on the rubber, a quick pass of it works well and it evaporates away quick.
Silicone lube is being used to condition rubbers and seals in (classic) cars. Because that hydrates, but doesn't swell or crack the rubber.
Guess what, I have a silicone hop rubber.
Why would I not use silicone oil to condition it?
Nice video!
Because it randomizes the friction coefficient of your bucking, thus randomizing the amount of hop. Thus impairing your ability to get bbs on target.
The fact that there are people out there think that Alcohol and rubber get along is just sad, The next evolution of this is "use denatured alchohol" instead! It's better!...
The fact that are multiple figures "of expertise" out there says lube is bad for you bucking are most likely in the same crowd that says you can "over" lubricate your gears.
The internet is a sad, sad place at times.
Great vid, sad that you had to make.
I would like to mention that the lube should have zero additives and be pure silicone oil or an oil that doesn't damage plastics. Certain silicone oils have additives that can actually damage the rubber.
Petorolum is the main one that breaks down plastic and rubbing in the gearbox along as it doesn't have that ingredient!! you'll be fine
@@JasonFolk07 wtf
Negative airsoft, would you do a TM 870 video or any other gas variant? You're the only person I would trust with a guide for this of any kind, I feel like I'm not getting the best performance out of my jag arms scattergun and would like to see your take on it
I refuse to work on them bud, stupid 2/3 size leaky breaking twat gun
Lube the outside of the hop rubber and clean the inside of the hop rubber with isoprohol alcohol, lubing the outside keeps the rubber in a condition where it won't crack over time.
Please tell me If I'm Wrong in doing this way.
Lube both sides wash with soap and water after
May be considered wrong, yes. The 13 minute video above is leaning towards the end of the spectrum that we don't really need any cleaning agents anywhere near our hop rubbers... When you clean your hop rubber with alcohol (no matter the percentage or how diluted it is) how much of a 'clean' are you looking to achieve? Lets not overthink this, we're only wiping away light amounts of surface grime. you can literally use Q-tips that are dry and or lightly lubricated to wipe down rubbers or if you feel you need to add any cleaning agent then a bit of dish soap and water... Edit: At least that is what I think the video was getting at... alcohol on hop rubbers is meh.
People who said lube will break rubber is the one that never heard of condoms
L.C.T G3 A3. Worth the money or not ? I'd like 1 but need a heads up, on quality.
I bought a JG G3 ( first gun) but Im looking to buy a 2nd rifle to step up my kit.👍
No, they look & feel amazing but the performance is awful. I won't take them in as jobs anymore'
I clean my barrel with iso alcohol sure some gets on my rubbers. I lube the outside but not the inside of rubbers as i find that the bbs dont hop as well with lube, it definetely doesnt damage with either though. Its all about using the right tool for the right job tbh
This one knows what he is talking about. Cleaning your barrel = good. Lubricating any part that touches the barrel = really fucking bad.
So when I first got into Airsoft I went to the hardware store to try and find silicone spray and I found some but it wasn't the right shit and it ruined all the rubber parts in my gun but rc shock oil or Airsoft silicone spray is safe on rubber but I bet someone that didn't know better did what I did the first time and ruined their shit and went straight to the good ol internet to " educate " everyone
Mate, there's one already in this thread - his comments are always golden!!
@@NegativeAirsoftTech I look at it this way, we need stupid people so the people like us that are some what intelligent look like geniuses
@@isaacshively6705 if you want a shit ton of silicone oil on the cheap, treadmill roller oil is 100% silicone and cheap as dirt XD
@Johnny Dong holy shit... You can make a video proving shit wrong and there are still people (like you) that still argue because they read it on the internet... I've been playing airsoft for ten plus years and I've always used rc shock oil which is 100% silicon oil and I've never had a hop rubber swell
@@ste887 rc shock oil is super cheap also and you can get different weights
So the title should be "Lube your hop rubber - Dont take it to the Pub instead" then ?
You should another video on your A&K Winchester Uber Under lever rifle love it
I got a m16 (echo 1) that for brad used for training at one point that needs work. All I know is that it doesn't work sooooo yeah.
Hey Luke, a quick question: Are you using the Omega nub with these type of hop rubbers or you just leave the hopup arm as standard?
Depends on gun
Could you please make a video about how pointless it is using metal polish to get a mirror finish on parts of the gearbox shell
It's important so you can see yourself & look at how great you are.
😂
I always lube my rubber. I usually use durex
What guns were used in the video?
You need to lube a silicon bucking?
Dry as peach skin on my hops. If they crack, I replace them. So far none have cracked or dried out yet and its been two years with my krys. Weird... Id strongly recommend leaving the hop dry.
With the hundreds I work on & get to see inside, nah... no thanks.
Some of these mad lads in Florida send me guns that are dripping wet with silicone lube in and out of the whole hop. And they ask me why their gun is so shooting like shit I tell them maybe not soak the whole thing in lube? Funnily enough when they get the gun back and dry it up a bit and shoot it they end up with much tighter groupings at 200ft.
@@javelinx1330 That's like anything though - I'm sure your car wouldn't run if you doused every part of the engine in tonnes of oil & petrol, you still need the correct amount though ;-)
Amazing. I use silicon lube to clean my rubber. New players are going to be so confused reading crap on the forums
New airsoft i did a school boy error tho with new gun before a game lube all my mags lube the hop too with a fuck ton of lube i mean like half a can lol yeah things was fun try to set the hop lets just say i know know how to strip it to clean it out
Can a lubed hop up have a decrease in fps?
I figured I would just clean with iso alcohol then lube with silicone 🤷♂️
What about dry lube with teflon? i've personaly used technical vaseline (acid-free) to seal up space betwen rubber and barrel, effect is only
discoloration after about 2-3 years.
Came for the negative airsoft video, stayed for the sex toy wax.
I lubed the nozzle on my old gun. Couldn’t tell you if it made a difference though.
Always good work. 👊👍😄
I use a spray lubricant for pipe work. Is it the same gear or is airsoft lube different
I think the problem people typically have is that they don't do what you said, and they spray a bunch of lube in the barrel and let it sit. The Lube is going to build up gunk but if you clean it out right away you re gonna be golden.
No lube in the fucking barrel you moron. Silicone enriched gas should do that for you. All you are doing is impairing your precision and making your hop up a random mess.
Loved the video!!!
Could you help me find a umarex tavor compatable hop up unit thats better than stock? Ive looked all over and cant seem to find one, im also a noob to working on guns and it seems to me that your the best person for the job :-)
Its a umarex Tar 21 explorer verson :-/
My dad is using sorbo pads and I'm disappointed
I've always smeared a little dab of silicon oil on the outside of the rubber to help with seating into tight hop-up units, then get screamed at by people who think rubbers should be 100% dry for their entire lifespan.
I miss my CA SA58 now lol
Yeah I do that too, just makes good sense
Usually should u lube the inside of the bucking or just the outside? Keep hearing people saying the inside needs to be dry so it has more friction on the bbs to give backspin, but I'm not sure if it's true
You've just watched a video demonstrating that *it doesn't matter*, and yet you still feel compelled to ask?
@@rogerborg it doesn't hurt to ask, plus he didn't talk about which part you lube specifically
Hey, i'm new to airsoft and i love the brutal honesty in your vids, speaking of that, i got a Specna Arms M4 model as a starter, what do you think about those? SA-A29-M to be exact, what should i look out for? thanks!
Isopropyl alcohol would be completely gone within an hour... I don't understand that at all.
Keep em coming! Love your work.
3:30 Im ded xD
dumbass question but the vfc gearboxes already have a mosfet installed into them, will putting in a warfet still be possible or should I just replace the wiring already in it?
What your opinion on short stroking piston?
Well alcohol is good for cleaning so why not just wipe barrel and rubber with alcohol, then dry, then lube and then wipe dry one last time to remove the excesses
so for hop rubbers do you need to make sure they're dry before putting them back in?
at least the inside. hop happens from the bb being spun by the nub and if its wet then it'll sping it one way, and then spin it differently as the lube rubs off.
I’ve been subscribed for twenty mins and am a vet and I am in love with you
might have to lube my hops now lol
I prefer water-based lubricant, after a thorough soak in alcohol..
...Wait... wtf is a "hop up?"
Do you think you could make a custom DAS GBLS
People mix up WD40 and silicon lube a lot. They are not the same. I think that’s where the myth comes from that silicon oil dissolves buckings.
o shit !!! 😖😖😖
now I need to take my gun apart again
and smear everything with silicone lube 😜😜😜
Hey, I have a ump45 EF. what hopup unit do you recommend for it? my stock one is kinda effy and very touchy.(it uses the same one as a g36)
Begadi Maxx G36 hop unit 👍
So Ive been looking for a nice little PDW that I don't have to do shit too in order to play speed soft and I know you've said the Avalon gearbox isn't that great and that's what VFC is putting in their MP5' so I've been looking at the new PDW-M Krytac and was just wondering what your opinion on Krytac is since you work on alot of guns
I feel like a Krytac would shoot too hot for cqb
@@skankhunter8633 my indoor field limit for AEG' is 400fps and the PDW shoots 350fps out of the box
@@isaacshively6705 Oh wow that's nice, personally I would never go with a Krytac since they are low key proprietary but since you don't plan on modifying it, it sounds like a good Idea, other great options for a cqb gun would probably be the Kwa qrf or a g&g arp 556 but that's all up to you
King arms has a nice pdw imo, I'd recommend changing the motor to an asg boost but idk what rpm I'd go for.
@@Garrett. Puke
Yeah I didn't know you shouldn't use silicone oil and my hop rubber broke down and melted so big waste of $10 that's why I hate airsoft sometimes hop rubbers are a waste of money, they tear and breakdown so easily so you have to keep buying them
Eh something else could be up for that fps difference. The lips could somehow be slightly different and there also could be difference in how tight the packing sits in the chamber.
I think what most people mean when they say lube breaks it is that the hop up basically goes away until the lube is flushed out, I know I have experienced it with putting oil in gas mags when I was more stupid.
Ommfg! You've just hit gold!!!
Don't lube your hop rubber or it breaks it however when mids don't feed the manufacturer tells you silicone lube fixes it & not to take your mag apart!!!
That is better than ANY argument I could make against the "no means no" crowd!
Honestly, thank you!
Negative Airsoft I’m having a real stupid moment, are you agreeing with me or is it the great internet sarcasm that I just can’t tell because brain power is low right now.
@@opairsoft8100 hahaha
I'm agreeing with you bud.
Littraly just had a fight with a purpal promy on my new kwa. Gave up threw it across the living room fancy doing it for me? 😂😂
You can hit him up on Facebook
@@Randalf thanks for your reply
I'll catch him at the next airsoft game I play at I'm pretty sure he's one of the organisers. As I'm not on Facebook 😒
On the subject of hop rubbers, any worth recommending?
Head Wreck generally promethius ones seem to be good but may need modification. Maple leaf is a very very good brand of hop up parts. So take a look at them.
Maple leaf, modify.
Shs give good results but tear very easily when installing so I don't use them.
@@NegativeAirsoftTech is lonex hop up good?
Thanks 😊
I always pick up a couple because some guns don't like some rubbers, my Specna Arms hop chamber fits the Maple Leaf rubbers really tight and they were folding up inside the hop chamber so I put a Promy Purple in and it works great and I gained 20fps over the stock rubber
So what is the gun you were working on in the vid?
One Sexy mudda thats what it is
Its a DSA SA58 OSW
I know this Because its miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine :)
@@Sir_Kuang looks lovely. How is the build quality on that beauty? I have my eye on a second hand one.
Willem van der Pol its feels very good but ive not used it yet. Got it brand new and sent straight to luke.
@@Sir_Kuang It looks very nice I may look into getting one for myself.
I have atleast found a channel that I can learn from to modify my airsoft gun at last!
You got a Facebook page?
Lube or raw dawg it! Lol
Bum Sausage
So the lubed one made the gun shoot hotter, higher hps than pub.
Maybe but unlikely.