While you introduced hyperlanes, I thought to myself "Huh, I probably would arrange strings or spaghetti on that curves, stretch them out and measure them. Can't wait to see the more sophisticated method." and then you did exactly that. I am truly amazed.
I'm convinced Lucas just said "lightspeed" travel because it sounds really really fast and he had a galaxy scale to make it sound like our heroes found a ship that was insanely fast versus normal travel, like a bullet train speed versus a coal powered locomotive.
@@rainshadowband3161 like the parsecs comment- it feels like he's peppering the dialogue with cues that CONVEY to the AUDIENCE a SENSE of something to grasp the concepts we need. The Falcon will EXCEED the speed of light to cross a phenomenal inter system distance- and the stars will elongate as a side effect of breaking the "light barrier". "Hyperspace" becomes a "post- light speed' state. Etc
I always thought they spent longer on the falcon traveling in the first movie. They had time to chill and relax on the ship. Time for training. It felt long enough .
@Byronic19134 No, I'm saying New Hope took longer than a day. We just didn't need to see them sleep etc. So, from tat to alderan took a few days. Luke even had time to train with the saber. Time was just condensed for the movie.
Alright so minor lore rant here about the Revenge of the Sith section with Grievous’ fighter, The Soulless One. When you said it had a Class 6, immediately that set off alarm bells. “A Class 6? Lower than a civilian class freighter? For THE General of the Separatist Droid Army? That just can’t be.” And so I consulted my Star Wars Cross Sections book that had a page dedicated to the Soulless One and what do I find but a perfectly adequate Class 2! But I had to be sure, so I double checked Wookiepedia, both real and Disney versions to be sure. Both a class 2! And it reminded me of having read the Revenge of the Sith novelization and Obi Wan even remarking on how ingenious it was to have hyperdrive integration in a starfighter! So the timeline may not be so far fetched after all, at least for that bit with Organa, Yoda, and Kenobi. The rest makes well enough sense. Excellent video by the way, a real gem of a find to encounter someone who goes into this much detail on an oft neglected core aspect of Star Wars!
I am ashamed, and I am embarrassed. I realize that I had only looked up the Belbullab-22 heavy starfighter, which does have a class 6 standard equipped. But you're absolutely right, the Soulless One does indeed have a class 2 hyperdrive. Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have :(
Class 2? For Grievus and his Importance he should have had a Class 1 modified to be faster, knowing that the Separatists were Supported by Tech Conglomerates such as the Techno-Union they were surely able to give Grievus a very Fast Ship for his travels and escapes.
On the topic of the "Solar Sails hyperdrive", it is actually fully plausible that the sails could be a unique, novelty form of superluminal travel (Something that Dooku would 100% use because he's a pompous old fart in every sense of the word). Solar sails don't necessarily work by powering a ship's systems; rather, they work by using photons to propel the attached craft in a manner similar to a breeze to a terrestrial ship's sails. Given how little is known about hyperspace beyond "it's an alternative dimension", it is fully plausible that the photons present could either be supercharged or supplanted by something entirely different that travels a whole fuck of a lot faster in comparison. I am 100% coping here, because I am a sucker for the solar sail aesthetic. You cannot tell me that they do not look cool, and if you do, I will make sure you always step on your dog's tail while they're sleeping.
Twin Ion Energy fighters are a thing. They have solar panels to charge and use their sublight but fast engines, and fairly powerful weapons, and highly manoeuvrable avionics. A solar sail might just be a giant solar panel and stealth shield, so you arrive fully charged, and a little stealthed, straight out of hyperspace. That's my head canon for that. Top of the line equipment (way better than an imperial pilot's), with instant charge on system entry, to fulfill any Sith'y work you might have to do. He might be a former Jedi, but between "Count" and Palp-credits, he'd have some pretty awesome bespoke stuff, I reckon (better than tie-advanced, because he was from a more refined time than Anakin/ Vader).
Honestly I think the implication was supposed to be that Han and Chewy picked it up randomly on a short range scan while just happening to pass by, though that opens it's own massive improbable plot contrivance can of worms.
@@jtillman8251 In my headcannon, it made perfect sense to just be able to track the falcon at that time, because all of its systems were powered up right then, after presumably being parked in a tent for months, or years. Its still an absurd convenience that Han is right there, but maybe he suspected it was on that world, and was looking for it, while waiting for his buyers to show up. If the systems have to be powered up, that would also explain Luke's ship being unfindable while underwater.
It's all JJ's fault, he made a standard in Star Trek 2009 that no matter how it breaks the lore, you can just make FTL do whatever (My poor warp drive, the man who did this to you was a monster)
Admittedly, I did kind of enjoy the JJ Trek movies, but lots of little things drove me absolutely insane. The Enterprise making the trip from Earth to Vulcan in like 45 seconds at warp 4- on the TOS warp factor scale no less!
@@FlameMammoth and then they somehow beat the Narada back to Earth (Chekov says so) and have transporters working over several million miles when TNG transporters bottomed out at 40,000 kilometers. JJ didnt want to write Star Trek, he wanted to write Star Wars. He failed to write both because he missed the soul of Wars and the science and logic of Trek.
Yes but really No. JJ ruined Star Wars. But JJ did not ruin Star Trek because you *cannot* ruin what already established multiple timelines. Unless you are Discovery that is where they introduced this stupid " _Timeline disease_ ". I hate having to explain this over and over and over again but you people... ✊😠 So here I go again. Because the events of Spock trying to stop the supernova resulted in a black hole that sucked him and the Nerada back into the past into different dates, when the Nerada came out - and we have to acknowledge the Temporal Cold War that happened in Enterprise as well which may certainly contributed to multiple timeline differences - the Kelvin recorded this incident with it's sensors as it was blown apart. However the Nerada was also weakened by it's jump allowing the Klingons nearby to warp in and apprehend the Romulan crew and bring the ship back. But there was also other Romulans nearby most certainly because they also got news of this massive ship. Starfleet upon receiving the news of this ship was completely gobsmacked. Not even the Xindi had been this powerful. *And everyone whom ever played Master of Orion knows this part all too well,* Starfleet immediately began heavy research into a bunch of farfetched technologies including but not limited to, _TransWarp Technology_ . However by the current stardate and the lack of technological progress despite reaching the ability to create that in a functioning state, that technology is big as a house. This facilitates the need for massive ship sizes, hence why the Constitution Class in Kelvin Timeline is as big as a Galaxy pretty much. All this happens in real life as well. Think back to the first computers that were literary the size of rooms, and contrast that with today where your phone is *more powerful* than a super computer from the 80's. *THAT'S* why the Kelvin Timeline is good and fascinating. You're free to complain about the characterizations like, why did they immediately promote Kirk to Captain and such things. That's fine. But every time people start hampering about the technology as a negative, I have to explain this. Every time. And if you wanna complain about warp speed travel, you don't even need to go outside of TOS Era really with the Enterprise frequently ending up traveling ludicrously fast. Or that one time in TAS where Kirk thought it'd be a great idea to tractor beam a ship traveling at like Warp 26 like he's a Cowboy. Yeehaw lazzo that ship Mr. Sulu!
This act of carelessness by Disney really made me not like Rogue One. If a ship can jump while in a planet's atmosphere, then the first act of the Empire Strikes Back makes no sense at all. What is the point of the Imperial Fleet trying to stop Rebel ships from fleeing the planet by blocking them from getting out of Hoth's gravity well if they could have all jumped from an altitude of a couple hundred meters?
That's... not as good a defense as you think. Movies have a fixed theatrical length of about 90 minutes up to a max of 180 on the long end for a reason: You're testing your audience's patience, and a 6 hour movie has to keep someone's ass entertained and in their theater seat for 6 hours straight. Its not a reasonable ask. Lucas should _know_ this, he's been making movies for decades, and he shouldn't have written a script that needed 6 hours of story to tell effectively. Throw it out and write one that can tell it's story in 150 minutes.
@@DoctorKidemonasFilms do not have a “fixed theatrical length” of up to 2 and 1/2 hours. What a ridiculous and stupid statement. The Irishman for example was a 3hr 30 film. Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the King was 3hr 21, with a DVD extended cut at 4 hours and 14 minutes. There are probably hundreds if not thousands of movies that run over your “fixed” length. And he *did* make a movie that told the story in reasonable time. A huge success, actually. Just because some audience members don’t have attention span doesn’t make it anyone’s issue but their own. Long movies exist and can do well, a film isn’t inherently bad just because it takes a while to deliver the story. Is 6 hours a bit long? Yes, which is EXACTLY WHY IT GOT CUT DOWN. You do understand that basically every movie has cut scenes, right?
@@dinandroelofsen-gb1js hey, I quite LIKE the last Jedi. It's far from perfect, and it's a bit "trudgy", but it definitely has Star Wars moments. I don't like Awakens much and I try to pretend "Rise" doesn't exist. It's like the most expensive episode of Blakes 7 ever made. And from the FOURTH (shit) series
In my opinion, the events of Episode 4 from the morning Luke left the farm looking for Artoo did not take place in a single day. Editorial time jumps take place and actual passage of time can only be guessed. I think it’s reasonable to say that it’s early evening/late afternoon when the Falcon leaves Tatooine (indicated by the shadows on the buildings). When Han enters the main hold and talks about outrunning the star destroyers, many hours could have passed. We don’t know that this was right after they made the jump. It is assumed so, because he immediately proclaims success escaping the destroyers, but the process of escaping them through hyperspace may be lengthy and take hours before there is enough assurance to be confident. After all, Threepio and Chewie are already deeply engaged in their chess match and Luke and Ben have been training. So it could be 18-24 hours from leaving the farm to entering Leia’s cell. Then, there’s an unknown time jump from escaping the Death Star to arriving at the Yavin system, but based on the map it should take maybe 60-70% less time than traveling from Tatooine to Alderaan. Then there is an unknown time jump from arriving at the Yavin system to arriving at Yavin 4. That puts us somewhere in the second day, possibly quite late. We have no idea how long it takes from plugging Artoo into the Yavin base computer until they launch the attack. Nor do we have much indication of how long it takes the Death Star to arrive at Yavin. Can they track the Falcon’s trajectory through hyperspace and begin following immediately, or do they have to wait until it arrives at Yavin, then jump themselves through hyperspace to get there? Reasonable to assume this could take 12-24 hours more? It was daytime when the Falcon arrived at Yavin 4 base, and its appears to be morning when when they start the briefing. The forest is dark and the sun is low in the sky. We do know that from the time the X-wings are spaceborne, the battle will be completed in about 15 minutes, since the Imperials announce they’ll be in range in that amount of time. Not important, but we have no idea how long from the end of the battle until the award ceremony. So, not unreasonable in my opinion to say about 35-48 hours from Luke leaving the farm until the end of the battle.
Regarding the time to track the Falcon, the EU establishes that its homing beacon does report back while the ship is in flight. Specifically, whenever it crosses an S-thread used in the HoloNet, which is what carries the signal back. "Since a ship travelling in hyperspace normally crosses at least one S-thread per hour, a homing beacon can be used to track a ship to almost any system". That implies most journeys take at least an hour, otherwise that functionality would be useless. However, the Empire may have waited for the Falcon to arrive. "When the ship leaves hyperspace, the homing beacon automatically broadcasts a location update that is accurate to within one parsec." I don't know of a source that established how fast the Death Star was in hyperspace, though.
The zipping around at teleport speed is something you see in basically all bad scripts, people teleport from one end of LA to another in a blink instead of taking 3 hours in gridlock. There's no attention to detail because the writer is not smart/conscientious enough to make it work
Disney made hyperspace literal teleportation in obi wan. Obi went from whatever place he was at to Tatooine in a literal instant as whichever sister was chasing Luke while it was happening.
37:48 Y'know what's worse? Dave Filoni actually used to do good work! I know Clone Wars and Rebels have their own issues, but they do a decent job of not breaking the Universe they're set in while playing with their own concepts. And most importantly, they bend towards the movies when needed. They specifically stay out of areas where the movies need to take place! But as soon as he gets any real control over mainstream perception, he goes and f*cks it up!
Dave was never good. He has no sense of internal consistency. He frequently ignores canon, both back in the day with TCW and the EU and today with his new shows and new canon stuff, and he sometimes even ignores things he set up himself. He used to blame George whenever he got called on his shit, but he can't do that nowadays so more people have started to see him for what he is.
The rebels are led by a princess, that’s not a Disney twist.. it was the original Star Wars, sometimes I feel like you guys would hate the original and call it woke if it was released today
The "solar sails" are supposed to be tachyon sails, so it sort of makes sense in that context (tachyons are a speculative particle that goes faster than light; there is no evidence for their real world existence, no known way to detect them if they do exist, and most likely do not exist in real life).
Using Travel time to slow down the story and allow it to breathe is so underrated. I run a Star Trek Adventures (don't hate me!) Game, and I am very careful to include Travel time between Adventures as a down time. "You have 1 week between systems, what do you want to do?" And usually it is characters getting to know each other, do research and development, work on backstory elements. Etc. And it allows the characters and the audience to BREATH and process what happened. It is a natural lul in the story. Use it.
Horribly under rated. And yet people still can't figure out why things like the Lord of the Rings do so well. Travel time and distance are extremely important factors that have toppled empires. And any writing that doesn't address it will never rise above good, at best.
The editing, audio, and content are fantastic. Is this your only channel? I’ve watched this video, probably 15 times. It’s awesome, my dude. You teased a lightsaber forms video in this one and I was super excited to find it in your library of videos, and although I didn’t find it, I’m stoked to watch it when it’s available, especially if it’s as high quality as this one.
I'm a Star Wars casual fan. To me it's a fun series and I know the new ones sucked. But holy moly I can't believe how bad Disney screwed the pooch on this one! They certainly don't cause they know guys like me had no clue this was even a problem. But you know what, screw them. I greatly appreciate a cohesively built world and I appreciate the galaxy scale that exists. It's a shame Disney shat all over it. This video you made was more entertaining than the entire sequel trilogy combined.
HOW ON EARTH CAN THIS VIDEO HAVE ONLY 225 VEWS!!! I am watching it 32 minutes and 15 seconds and i notice it just now. This is outrageous! It’s unfair!
@@MaxofZorroReviews For a second vid, this is insanely well written and edited. I like video essays a lot and I was shocked reading the comments when I found out that youre quite new here! well done man
This is the best Star Wars content I’ve seen on TH-cam in years. I APPLAUD YOU GOOD SIR. You are my new favorite creator and I hope you skyrocket. Great points, Tongue-in-cheek tone, masterful editing. Seriously, well done! On the topic of the video: IMO distances and logistics didn’t matter as much for the earlier movies, as long as the galaxy still felt BIG. However, Disney’s mishandling of the franchise has shrunk the world and made it tiny. As an example: Tatooine was literally nowhere and Mos Eisley was one of thousands of space ports on this remote planet. The insignificance of those places was the thematic point of their existence. The lack of imagination and risk taking from this corporate dumpster fire is breathtaking. It has made this world far less enjoyable to engage with and to escape to. Remember in The Mandalorian when the guy held a speech to the ”Citizens of Navarro!” and there were 20 people on screen? I mean, what the hell is this small-ass scope? Atleast put some more CG-people in there? And stop having ”main characters” randomly bumping into each other. Remember when Ashoka flew with a space whale to a whole other galaxy, and she happened to land on the same planet, and even next to the village where the Ezra-guy she was looking for was hiding? It is harder to find what you’re looking for in my tiny flat than in Disney’s (two!) galaxies 😂😂😂
A video that is packed with interesting information that I never knew AND dunks on Disney star wars AND the prequels? What did I do to deserve such a gift?
7.9k is still too little for the work that's been put here, do better algorithm! Your content is great man, hope you channel keep growing for you deserve it.
Disney/KK admitted that they had no actual plan on how the disney star wars stories would play out, and this just makes that fact so much more apparent
No way that Star Wars (the original movie) spanned only a day. There is some bonding between the characters that cannot take place in just a few hours. Luke would not be devastated from Ben's death if they had spent just a few hours together. Leia would not plead the guy who basically gave her an Uber drive to Yavin to stay and fight. Some days have passed, if not weeks.
Good video. The hyperdrive travel in the Prequels bothered me, I guess George thinks the ships travel at the speed of plot, and Disney Star Wars threw away the concept of travel completely. 4:42 Actually it was the ttrpg in 1987 that came up with the hyperspace classes. It also had a little table of travel times, measured in days, between the OT systems + Corellia and Dantooine, to give GMs an idea for travel times. Longest distance was 30 days. Table in second edition (1992) revised these hours and days. Shortest was Coruscant to Corellia, 4 hours. Also, while it didn't have a map really, it had a very roughly defined "Slice" which established the regions such as the Colonies or Mid Rim, as well as 2 of the great trade routes: Corellian Run and Perlemian. You are right about when the first map came. I first saw it in Vector Prime. But going back to the RPG travel distances, it's clear that the early authors, who were told to use the RPG as guide, took the travel distances from the 1st edition, and being military sci-fi guys like Zahn or Stackpole, took them pretty seriously. Hyperspace travel was at its best in the 90s before the prequels when it was understood that travel could take weeks or even a month if the systems weren't right next to other. Also the ships could zip along the major routes faster, but it took longer to traverse through less mapped expanses and routes that weren't as well established. All the possible navigational hazards forced you to go slower. It was also the reason why the Unknown Regions remained unknown. 16:00 I don't really mind Dooku's solar sailer. To rationalize, I don't think it has anything to do with solar power despite the name, just I don't think TIE wings' primary purpose is to be solar panels despite multiple sources describing them as such. In my mind, it's probably a obscure method of hyperspace travel that is too expensive, inefficient or just unknown for mainstream use, but may have some fringe benefit like very low hyperspace entry/exit signature. 19:10 Class 6? Wookieepedia, using and encyclopedia book (and Wizard of the Coast RPG sourcebook for Legens) rates it as class 2. It would make sense that Grievous' escape craft should have a decent hyperdrive just in case he doesn't have a convenient mothership just around the corner to escape to. 22:40 While hyperdrives in TIE fighters were not completely unheard of even before Disney, you are correct that this standard TIE wasn't supposed to have one. J.J. is the worst when it comes to distances in space. He didn't care about them in his Star Trek movies and made complete mockery of it in his Star Wars. Rian is bad too, but he's less "Derp, everything is just right next to everything else" and more "I just don't care, lol".
Thanks for the comment, this is very insightful stuff. Yes, the TTRPG is something I used in my research for the video, but would have needed to add at least another 5-10 minute section to delve deeply into it, so I decided to hold it for its own video in an attempt to trim down the already substantial runtime of this one. As to Grievous' starfighter, yes this was a grave error on my part. In my research, I had looked up the generic model of Grievous' starfighter, which does come standard equipped with a class 6, but not Grievous' specific ship, which he personally upgraded his to a class 2, along with other "special modifications". I shall take full responsibility for this mistake and apologize to Lord Vader.
@@MaxofZorroReviews Heh, could probably avoided my lenghty "ackchyually" comment about the TTRPG if you mentioned it with a word of sentence. Maybe not. I'm very nostalgic about the d6 system. Apology accepted...
There's certain lines of dialog in Phantom Menace and visual information from Padmé's pregnancy that leads me to believe that those two movies actually take place over a significantly longer time period than just a couple of days. But then there's other information that seems to compress at least one of those down a fair bit, and we're left with at least visual inconsistencies for the time period Revenge of the Sith takes place over, considering Padmé was able to hide her pregnancy, the twins appear to come out at after a full term and other things while Anakin obviously spent a lot of time away from her during the war. Revenge of the Sith was also supposed to be around twice as long, but as per how trilogy enders work in this franchise, it has a lot of cut content. Pablo Hidalgo says Revenge of the Sith takes place over the course of about 10 days, however, so I guess that's just how it works.
+Max of Zorro @Max of Zorro +24:22 : If you wanted a best guess I can make some. 1. Han just happened to be nearby and his Star wars equivellent of a Police radio scanner picked up the ID that the Falcon was last operating under. (it had not been active since being stolen - likely as han was one of the few people who could keep it running. OR Rey when she was tinkering with it as part of her Gig job changed the ID codes to one the ship had on file that Han knew and was looking for. (even if the other times the ship was active it was using new codes he didn't know so couldn't find). 2. Now assuming he wasn't actually near by then you have to get a bit tech tech about it and presuppose that the Hypernet logs a lot of data and broadcasts it in real time to law enforcement and others... ( a bit like getting a real time update on your Parcel delivery) so again a transponder code he knew was red flagged on a programme he had slicing a station somewhere to pass the info on to him. ( he may have hired someone to put a search program in some system somewhere) so a bit like a car that reports itself stolen - 3. when the ship was active it could have reported its own location to him sas rey was supposedly tinkering with it she could have accidentally reset the ship to default settings and triggered the anti-theft transpoder somehow.. she could have even done that when starting it as she didn't turn the "identity spoof" on when she started the ship and so it merrily broadcast "I am here" to the universe. 4. The Ships navicompter is semi-sentient so could have decided to yell for help when it realised no one had turned the security system on and that is the message Han got From Lando's old Droid Girlfriend sending a yell for help. just some ideas anyway I had about all that.
I assumed new hope happened over several days... we just didn't need to see them sleep. But the reaaaal problem is Empire. They are looking at the galaxy from a massive distance. It must have taken them years of travel just to get that galaxy shot.
I like the solar sails. I dont think they are used for hyperspeed though, i think they are simply used for drifting through space instead of using fuel
How did you go on a full anti socialist rant then say you like Andor the most blatantly socialist piece of SW media? I love Andor too, hate all other Disney Star Wars, and I am a socialist, so I’m curious like did you genuinely not pick up on it? Or is it so good that you are able to look past the leftist messaging in the show?? I don’t know just curious
Thanks for the comment. My issue with the anti-capitalist message in the Last Jedi isn't actually the message itself, it's how awkward and poorly integrated it is into the story. "Overdramatic, indelicate, ham-fisted" is what I call it in the video. By contrast, when a character in Andor espouses a political belief, it feels like the character actually holds that belief, because they're a well-written character. Even if I personally still disagree with that character's worldview, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show because it never feels like the people that made it are trying to preach that belief or shove it down my throat. It feels much more like competent storytellers telling a story, and those characters happen to think that way. It's like watching bad, cringey Christian movies that have no substance and just try to preach a message, compared to a movie like Hacksaw Ridge that portrays a deeply religious character, but isn't shoving Christianity down the viewer's throat. Everyone likes that movie, not because they necessarily agree with the character's worldview, but because it's well written and performed, and it's not ham-fisting any message down your throat. That's how I feel about the difference between TLJ and Andor. Hope than answers your question :)
13:25 I imagine the reason it has its own room is kinda like the design behind some PCs. Some simpler, cheaper ones that you only use to get work done are closed and without a way to see inside without opening it, like the hyperdrive in an x-wing. But some have spacious boxes with RGB lights and glass doors, ready to be opened easily to work on it and upgrade it, like the hyperdrive room in the **fully chrome SR-71 Blackbird**. It shows how proud the ship owner is of his expensive PC.
Also remember that in Force Awakens when Starkiller fires its Multi-Planetary-Destroying-Laser that everyone can see it at Taco Bell (Takodana) even though it's destroying the Hosnian System which is pretty far away..Now I know, they tried to explain that by saying everyone in the galaxy could see it because the lasers were fired into hyperspace or some nonsense like that, but that really just makes it all worse.. It's because, just like in his Star Trek movies, JJ doesn't understand the very concept of distance or time in Space..
This video randomly appeared on my TH-cam feed and boy am I glad it did. I always found the concept of hyperspace travel in the Star Wars Universe quite interesting so you making this video appealed to me quite a bit. You evidently put a lot of work into it and I enjoyed both the structure of the video, your editing and also the comedic bits in (and I was also amused by all the little references to EFAP). There are some criticism I'd give, mainly with how you maybe could have broken down the travel in Episode 2 since there's a lot of intergalactic travel in it, even if it's not convoluted a breakdown might have benefited the video. The other piece of criticism would be addressing the issue of hyperspace travel over long distances in small ships like with Obi-Wans starfighter in Episode 2 from Coruscant to Kamino or Padme and Captain Typho travelling aboard their starships from Naboo to Coruscant. I see these as potential issues since travelling for days in the small cockpit of a starfighter seems quite unpleasant if not unrealistic. Of course this issue can be more or less explained by speculating that both Obi-Wan and Padme just had stops in between their travel to rest, drink, eat and empty their bowels, but a mention would have been nice. Regardless of these (for me personally) rather small issues I thoroughly enjoyed this video, good job, keep up the good work
The easiest way I’ve found to describe hyperspace travel to someone is comparing it to nether travel in Minecraft, 1 block in the nether=8 blocks in the overworld.
For the First Order TIE fighter, there are multiple models. The standard one, the one you seem to have researched is not equipped with jump drive (and it is only for one person, and it doesn't have the red stripes on the cockpit, and it doesn't have additional elements like turrets on it). Then the special forces TIE has all of mentioned before, including jump drive. Good video tho.
I thought we *COLLECTIVELY* agreed that Disney Star wars doesn't exist that's never existed and it will never exist and to acknowledge something that doesn't exist is lunacy (joke)
I’m guessing I’m one of very few people watching this video who has seen miss congeniality. So it falls on me to say I appreciate the editing gag of you cutting to that scene every time you say “one in a million”
22:30 The Tie Fighter stolen by Finn and Poe is the Special Forces variant, which does have a hyperdrive. This is also why it has the extra seat and the super powerful heavy laser canons.
god, the way that disney has absolutely massacred Hyperspace Travel is actually kinda hilarious, there were several points in the video where I actually laughed at how utterly, ridiculously destroyed Hyperspace Travel is now
It is funny; the look of entering hyperspace in Star Wars (streaming past all of the glowing white lines) doesn't originate with George Lucas. George got the effect from the low budget, SCi-Fi classic Dark Star. He was so impressed with the hyperdrive effect in Dark Star that he contacted Dan O'Bannon (Dark Star. Alien) to ask him how he created it and to help do it for Star Wars. George knew O'Bannon from their time together at USC School of Cinema-Television, and due to the hyperdrive effect brought him to work on computer animation and graphic displays for Star Wars.
I wonder what would happen if you did away with the official map (like the writers clearly did) and then tried to figure out if there was a way of having the planets arranged so that it would actually make sense. (Like obviously the writers didn't have a consistent map they were referencing, but... imagine if they did, and all the weird teleportation *does* make sense if you throw out everything we know besides the movies. Ret-con a new map).
It's an interesting thought experiment, but if you take the Rise of Skywalker for example, every single planet they visit would actually have to be in the same solar system for any of it to make sense, and then it still wouldn't make sense 😂
Great video, I always enjoy content like this and hope to see more from your channel. An interesting point on the hyperdrive scale I might add is the acclamatiors hyperdrive. Though most military ships of its size will have somewhere around a point 2 the acclamator actually has a class 0.6, this is because it’s meant to ferry troopers around the galaxy and actually makes it one of the fastest ships out there. Also a small nitpick I’d like to point out is the TIE Finn and Poe escape in is a special forces TIE. This is denoted by the red band on the side of its cockpit. The TIE/sf is different from the regular First Order TIE because it has a hyperdrive, it is also different because it has room for two pilots, shields, and more weapons. The regular First Order TIE is basically just a TIE. This is established from the start with things like the TFA cross sections. I’m not one to defend the sequels but I just wanted to make it clear. Though the small size of the hyperdrive is another problem. It’s basically a small box put in the section connecting the cockpit ball and the wing, with the shield generator in the other connector.
@ Not really in 40k space is treated as an ongoing threat where going from planet to planet you essentially have to go to hell to shorten the distance and pray your anti-hell shields to work. To shorten the point of space is what every writer wants but the ocean on Earth breaks the point of space.
I’m not a big fan of how you introduced hyperdrive classes. Most ships in the Star Wars universe have somewhere between a class 3 to a class 1 hyperdrive on them. Class 6 and beyond (yes they go even lower than that) are backup hyperdrives that on the scale of the entire galaxy are snail speed. Strangely enough the Acclimator class assault ship used by the Clone Army has a class 0.6 hyperdrive; making it the only widely produced ship that has a hyperdrive faster than 1. Which could also explain why the Millennium Falcon has such a fast hyperdrive if Han Solo or Lando Calerisian shoved a supercharged Acclimator hyperdrive into the tiny YT-1300 freighter. Another thing is how the hyperdrive came to be. In Star Wars Legends the first hyperdrives were invented by an ancient race of aliens called the Rakata who once ruled the galaxy with an iron fist. Their first hyperdrives were powered by their connection to the dark side of the Force and could only travel to planets strong in the Force. Later on humans and other species would reverse engineer Rakatan technologies and use those to build their hyperdrives. In Canon though it’s a bit more confusing. Instead they based the hyperdrive off of the Purgils which are these space whale creatures who have a sort of biological hyperdrive. Personally I like the Rakatan explanation better, but I can see how it could be both.
LOL So you see "A Gay Shower scene".. where as My Mind is hearing that they were Feeding Prisoners to Chewie & so was way more focused to that piece of character assassination. As for that scene I think they were going for a parallel to when Chewie hugs him in ROTJ when he's still blind and has just been defrosted. *Heck it was bad enough that his best friend just died and Leia walks right by him and hugs the woman she just met instead* & they also mentioned he broke up with his wife too.. so yeah "thanks for that" Disneywars. *they really don't like Wookies do they*. Rogue One is boring and mostly Harmless and likely never needed to exist.. so basically like Andor.
In regards to "is that alderaan time or tatooine time": One thing that is often not all that much considered: Not only should most planets have their own time systems, time zones would be quite an annoying problem to deal with, too. With the kinds of speeds you can travel at, jetlag would make standard operating/working hours near impossible, and be quite annoying when it comes to interplanetary negotiations and other such meetings.
10:55 Travelling scenes can offer so many interesting dialogues and choices. It can give interesting moments of downtime and balance out the pacing. It’s a mistake to view them as ‘not being part of the plot’ or something you just ‘have to get through’ to reach ‘the good stuff’. Heck… When Game of Thrones was good, a very solid chunk of scenes were travelling scenes. Same with Star Wars. And I know phrasing this sounds like a stretch, but, would the Lord of the Rings be more fun if they skipped all the travelling and got straight to Mordor? Don’t think so.
Space is so goddamn empty that 99.9999999999999999999999999 percent of the time a series of quick jumps would dump you into the void each time, but they somehow manage to hit some oddly over the top scenery with every jump
As far as I'm aware, he made 5 books pre-Disney... His "Thrawn Trilogy", and then another 2 I can’t remember the name of right now... I think 1 was called Visions of the Future... Believe me... They were AMAZING books... All 5!
17:06 I thought the solar sail was cool. Maybe that was because I was in Jr. High, & I just read about them in a science magazine, but it was still cool to see one on screen.
I took "the hyperdrive is leaking" to mean it's leaking energy, as a metaphor. R2 fixed it fast and improvised a bit, but that caused it to get perma-fried after one use.
Impressive, most impressive. A fine addition, look forward to your career, and all that sort of thing. On the solar sailer, do you have access to a different cut of AotC? Because in the version I have now, and in the one I saw in 2002, Dooku's ship is never shown as it enters or exits hyperspace. The sails are unfurled after leaving atmosphere, because obviously you can't use them until you've reached that altitude on repulsorlifts. After that, we do not see Dooku travelling from one system to another. By the time we cut back to his ship, not only has he crossed the galaxy, he's travelled far enough in-system that it's time to retract the sails for atmospheric entry. Something tells me Coruscant traffic control would have some procedures for approaching the galactic capital.
They don't show Dooku's ship entering or exiting hyperspace, this is true. However, like you said, he unfurls the sail as soon as he's out of atmosphere over Geonosis, and they're still open next time we see him outside of Coruscant. As far as I can tell, that means they stayed open while he was in hyperspace, which I find to be very silly. But even if he did retract them before jumping to hyperspace and unfurl them afterwards, I still think solar sails are a wildly inefficient and silly way to travel in this era of spacefaring. For me, it's the epitome of form over function. And while Dooku certainly has style, he's also characterized as highly intelligent and tactful. Someone like that probably wouldn't rely on such an archaic form of travel, especially when beating a hasty retreat.
@@MaxofZorroReviewsThey have their own uses, no? Solar sails are great for stealth purposes, which would be useful in that particular situation that Dooko was in.
@@shaunooi2551 You could make the argument for that, however, the only ships we see him pass when escaping are Trade Federation ships, which are his allies. If we had seen Venators instead I might be persuaded, but I don't see any reason why he would be sneaking past his own guys.
You could have their shuttle be intercepted by the First Order as soon as they launch for the Casino planet and skip the whole sidequest. The rest of the movie could go on without any other changes.
Almost perfect. You even got close to it. Interdictor ships, holding back ships from going into hyperspace by creating a gravity well. ANH even alluded to it, given that they needed to away from a planet in order to jump. TFA: Jumps in and out of gravity wells. Several times. TLJ: Once? I think? When M. Falcon jumps into krayt and does a triple shot or something. Honestly, I stopped going to cinemas after that movie and I've only seen it once. RoS: The whole hyperskipping thing, which is apt for skipping through movie and what worth it is. Bonus: Exocron being so difficult to get to because of navigation hazards that you need a wayfinder... Which was fine, when we got into the bloodred nebula, to which it could be in there, but no... it's on the other side! Go around the friggin nebula!!! Bonus2: Ach-to/Atju planet. Cannot be found without a map. And you only have a piece of the map. Why do you need the galaxy, when the minor piece of the map has three whole sectors!?
It even was only one aspect of hs lore, that's issued here. Acolyte gave us also another jem that deserves attention. Remember how in on scene a ship that's in a stationary orbit, jumps directly n another ship exits hs the next second in the almost same spot it jumped from. If it uaed the mass shadow of the planet to exit which works since zahn made it a thing, it obviosly would make this spot an impossibility to jump from. The planet would b an interdiction source. But even if the exit was done by the pilot manually, it still leaves the first ship jumping without speeding up enough till jump speed is reached n the hyperdrive works. The hs skipping also has them come out of hs so close to not just planets gravity but their surface, they would have been janked out naturally before po could disengage n none of these jumps would allow a direct jump back out. The only possibility for such a maneuver would b exclusively in deepspace, which would prohibit the crazy visuals, which were the sole reason to include such nonsense at all.
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While you introduced hyperlanes, I thought to myself "Huh, I probably would arrange strings or spaghetti on that curves, stretch them out and measure them. Can't wait to see the more sophisticated method." and then you did exactly that. I am truly amazed.
Great minds think alike. And so do ours, apparently 🫡
@@MaxofZorroReviews but fools seldom differ
@@MaxofZorroReviewsdo they think alike or do they pull information from the same pool?
got enough ads for politics on all my other media thanks
I'm convinced Lucas just said "lightspeed" travel because it sounds really really fast and he had a galaxy scale to make it sound like our heroes found a ship that was insanely fast versus normal travel, like a bullet train speed versus a coal powered locomotive.
@@rainshadowband3161 like the parsecs comment- it feels like he's peppering the dialogue with cues that CONVEY to the AUDIENCE a SENSE of something to grasp the concepts we need. The Falcon will EXCEED the speed of light to cross a phenomenal inter system distance- and the stars will elongate as a side effect of breaking the "light barrier". "Hyperspace" becomes a "post- light speed' state. Etc
Reading this all I can think of is Watney in The Martian talking about scientists and going really fast. Fastest man ever.... hilarious.
Coke rant
More of a Dr. Pepper rant man myself, but thanks
I knew it was going to take a "Disney sucks" turn but dear Lord. WHAT?!
I always thought they spent longer on the falcon traveling in the first movie. They had time to chill and relax on the ship. Time for training. It felt long enough .
Absolutely. It felt more like days.
My problem is empire. They are watching the galaxy from afar. Years of travel.
Absolutely. I don't think the whole story took one day, no matter how you measure it. More like a week or so...
I also always thought, it was at least a week. The old D6 based TTRPG also agree that it was a week from Tatooine to Alderan in the Falcon.
@@13thcenturyI thought Disney broke it, are you saying that in the OT the shxt was nonsense as well?
@Byronic19134 No, I'm saying New Hope took longer than a day. We just didn't need to see them sleep etc. So, from tat to alderan took a few days.
Luke even had time to train with the saber. Time was just condensed for the movie.
Alright so minor lore rant here about the Revenge of the Sith section with Grievous’ fighter, The Soulless One.
When you said it had a Class 6, immediately that set off alarm bells. “A Class 6? Lower than a civilian class freighter? For THE General of the Separatist Droid Army? That just can’t be.”
And so I consulted my Star Wars Cross Sections book that had a page dedicated to the Soulless One and what do I find but a perfectly adequate Class 2! But I had to be sure, so I double checked Wookiepedia, both real and Disney versions to be sure.
Both a class 2! And it reminded me of having read the Revenge of the Sith novelization and Obi Wan even remarking on how ingenious it was to have hyperdrive integration in a starfighter!
So the timeline may not be so far fetched after all, at least for that bit with Organa, Yoda, and Kenobi. The rest makes well enough sense.
Excellent video by the way, a real gem of a find to encounter someone who goes into this much detail on an oft neglected core aspect of Star Wars!
I am ashamed, and I am embarrassed. I realize that I had only looked up the Belbullab-22 heavy starfighter, which does have a class 6 standard equipped. But you're absolutely right, the Soulless One does indeed have a class 2 hyperdrive.
Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have :(
@@MaxofZorroReviews Imagine Disney accepting their mistakes like that
@MaxofZorroReviews class act. And thank you OP for the additional info. Real fans loving the lore as it should be. Warms my bitter black heart.
@@MaxofZorroReviewsyou must commit sepuko and restore your honor
Class 2? For Grievus and his Importance he should have had a Class 1 modified to be faster, knowing that the Separatists were Supported by Tech Conglomerates such as the Techno-Union they were surely able to give Grievus a very Fast Ship for his travels and escapes.
On the topic of the "Solar Sails hyperdrive", it is actually fully plausible that the sails could be a unique, novelty form of superluminal travel (Something that Dooku would 100% use because he's a pompous old fart in every sense of the word). Solar sails don't necessarily work by powering a ship's systems; rather, they work by using photons to propel the attached craft in a manner similar to a breeze to a terrestrial ship's sails. Given how little is known about hyperspace beyond "it's an alternative dimension", it is fully plausible that the photons present could either be supercharged or supplanted by something entirely different that travels a whole fuck of a lot faster in comparison.
I am 100% coping here, because I am a sucker for the solar sail aesthetic. You cannot tell me that they do not look cool, and if you do, I will make sure you always step on your dog's tail while they're sleeping.
All I know is George like the rest of us saw TRON.
Twin Ion Energy fighters are a thing. They have solar panels to charge and use their sublight but fast engines, and fairly powerful weapons, and highly manoeuvrable avionics. A solar sail might just be a giant solar panel and stealth shield, so you arrive fully charged, and a little stealthed, straight out of hyperspace.
That's my head canon for that.
Top of the line equipment (way better than an imperial pilot's), with instant charge on system entry, to fulfill any Sith'y work you might have to do. He might be a former Jedi, but between "Count" and Palp-credits, he'd have some pretty awesome bespoke stuff, I reckon (better than tie-advanced, because he was from a more refined time than Anakin/ Vader).
Another thing to note is that IF ship frequency tracking is a thing, why didn't they track Luke's ship while it was sitting under water on Ahch-To?
Honestly I think the implication was supposed to be that Han and Chewy picked it up randomly on a short range scan while just happening to pass by, though that opens it's own massive improbable plot contrivance can of worms.
@@jtillman8251 In my headcannon, it made perfect sense to just be able to track the falcon at that time, because all of its systems were powered up right then, after presumably being parked in a tent for months, or years. Its still an absurd convenience that Han is right there, but maybe he suspected it was on that world, and was looking for it, while waiting for his buyers to show up. If the systems have to be powered up, that would also explain Luke's ship being unfindable while underwater.
@@jtillman8251isn't that what actually happened? He seemed surprised to have found it
It's all JJ's fault, he made a standard in Star Trek 2009 that no matter how it breaks the lore, you can just make FTL do whatever (My poor warp drive, the man who did this to you was a monster)
F in the chat for my Trekkie bretheren 😔
*Incoherent screaming about how warp drive does not work like that as I froth at the mouth in a straight jacket.*
Admittedly, I did kind of enjoy the JJ Trek movies, but lots of little things drove me absolutely insane. The Enterprise making the trip from Earth to Vulcan in like 45 seconds at warp 4- on the TOS warp factor scale no less!
@@FlameMammoth and then they somehow beat the Narada back to Earth (Chekov says so) and have transporters working over several million miles when TNG transporters bottomed out at 40,000 kilometers.
JJ didnt want to write Star Trek, he wanted to write Star Wars. He failed to write both because he missed the soul of Wars and the science and logic of Trek.
Yes but really No.
JJ ruined Star Wars.
But JJ did not ruin Star Trek because you *cannot* ruin what already established multiple timelines.
Unless you are Discovery that is where they introduced this stupid " _Timeline disease_ ".
I hate having to explain this over and over and over again but you people... ✊😠
So here I go again.
Because the events of Spock trying to stop the supernova resulted in a black hole that sucked him and the Nerada back into the past into different dates, when the Nerada came out - and we have to acknowledge the Temporal Cold War that happened in Enterprise as well which may certainly contributed to multiple timeline differences - the Kelvin recorded this incident with it's sensors as it was blown apart. However the Nerada was also weakened by it's jump allowing the Klingons nearby to warp in and apprehend the Romulan crew and bring the ship back. But there was also other Romulans nearby most certainly because they also got news of this massive ship.
Starfleet upon receiving the news of this ship was completely gobsmacked. Not even the Xindi had been this powerful. *And everyone whom ever played Master of Orion knows this part all too well,* Starfleet immediately began heavy research into a bunch of farfetched technologies including but not limited to, _TransWarp Technology_ . However by the current stardate and the lack of technological progress despite reaching the ability to create that in a functioning state, that technology is big as a house. This facilitates the need for massive ship sizes, hence why the Constitution Class in Kelvin Timeline is as big as a Galaxy pretty much.
All this happens in real life as well. Think back to the first computers that were literary the size of rooms, and contrast that with today where your phone is *more powerful* than a super computer from the 80's.
*THAT'S* why the Kelvin Timeline is good and fascinating. You're free to complain about the characterizations like, why did they immediately promote Kirk to Captain and such things. That's fine. But every time people start hampering about the technology as a negative, I have to explain this. Every time.
And if you wanna complain about warp speed travel, you don't even need to go outside of TOS Era really with the Enterprise frequently ending up traveling ludicrously fast.
Or that one time in TAS where Kirk thought it'd be a great idea to tractor beam a ship traveling at like Warp 26 like he's a Cowboy. Yeehaw lazzo that ship Mr. Sulu!
Rogue One had a hyperjump from the atmosphere of a planet, without calculations if I remember correctly. That's two lore breaking in one scene!
Didn’t a new hope also had a hyper jump? When Han and Luke leave Tatooine ?
@@damiantirado9616they were in orbit by that time, remember they are confronted by a Star Destroyer?
@@711desmond ok my bad I didn’t see that
This act of carelessness by Disney really made me not like Rogue One.
If a ship can jump while in a planet's atmosphere, then the first act of the Empire Strikes Back makes no sense at all. What is the point of the Imperial Fleet trying to stop Rebel ships from fleeing the planet by blocking them from getting out of Hoth's gravity well if they could have all jumped from an altitude of a couple hundred meters?
@@ShalemBarak-gorodetsky it’s decent, plenty of better things, it’s best for spectacle and nice visuals
In defense of RotS, the original movie was apparently 6 hours long, and George Lucas had to cut it down a lot without cutting down on the story.
That's... not as good a defense as you think. Movies have a fixed theatrical length of about 90 minutes up to a max of 180 on the long end for a reason: You're testing your audience's patience, and a 6 hour movie has to keep someone's ass entertained and in their theater seat for 6 hours straight. Its not a reasonable ask. Lucas should _know_ this, he's been making movies for decades, and he shouldn't have written a script that needed 6 hours of story to tell effectively. Throw it out and write one that can tell it's story in 150 minutes.
Could've atleast saved it all for a directors Cut
@@DoctorKidemonasFilms do not have a “fixed theatrical length” of up to 2 and 1/2 hours. What a ridiculous and stupid statement.
The Irishman for example was a 3hr 30 film. Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the King was 3hr 21, with a DVD extended cut at 4 hours and 14 minutes. There are probably hundreds if not thousands of movies that run over your “fixed” length.
And he *did* make a movie that told the story in reasonable time. A huge success, actually.
Just because some audience members don’t have attention span doesn’t make it anyone’s issue but their own.
Long movies exist and can do well, a film isn’t inherently bad just because it takes a while to deliver the story. Is 6 hours a bit long? Yes, which is EXACTLY WHY IT GOT CUT DOWN.
You do understand that basically every movie has cut scenes, right?
Lucas Cut?
@@DoctorKidemonas LOTR:ROTK came out 2 years before ROTS and had an extra hour of runtime. 196 minutes compared to ROTS 132 minutes
Stop reminding me that Disney Star Wars exists.... 😢
So sad. Alexa, play Mos Eisley Cantina Theme (minor key)
@@packapunchpizza I know your pain
There were a few good disney things
@@dinandroelofsen-gb1js hey, I quite LIKE the last Jedi. It's far from perfect, and it's a bit "trudgy", but it definitely has Star Wars moments. I don't like Awakens much and I try to pretend "Rise" doesn't exist. It's like the most expensive episode of Blakes 7 ever made. And from the FOURTH (shit) series
that is the price for rogue one and andor
In my opinion, the events of Episode 4 from the morning Luke left the farm looking for Artoo did not take place in a single day. Editorial time jumps take place and actual passage of time can only be guessed. I think it’s reasonable to say that it’s early evening/late afternoon when the Falcon leaves Tatooine (indicated by the shadows on the buildings). When Han enters the main hold and talks about outrunning the star destroyers, many hours could have passed. We don’t know that this was right after they made the jump. It is assumed so, because he immediately proclaims success escaping the destroyers, but the process of escaping them through hyperspace may be lengthy and take hours before there is enough assurance to be confident. After all, Threepio and Chewie are already deeply engaged in their chess match and Luke and Ben have been training. So it could be 18-24 hours from leaving the farm to entering Leia’s cell. Then, there’s an unknown time jump from escaping the Death Star to arriving at the Yavin system, but based on the map it should take maybe 60-70% less time than traveling from Tatooine to Alderaan. Then there is an unknown time jump from arriving at the Yavin system to arriving at Yavin 4. That puts us somewhere in the second day, possibly quite late. We have no idea how long it takes from plugging Artoo into the Yavin base computer until they launch the attack. Nor do we have much indication of how long it takes the Death Star to arrive at Yavin. Can they track the Falcon’s trajectory through hyperspace and begin following immediately, or do they have to wait until it arrives at Yavin, then jump themselves through hyperspace to get there? Reasonable to assume this could take 12-24 hours more? It was daytime when the Falcon arrived at Yavin 4 base, and its appears to be morning when when they start the briefing. The forest is dark and the sun is low in the sky. We do know that from the time the X-wings are spaceborne, the battle will be completed in about 15 minutes, since the Imperials announce they’ll be in range in that amount of time. Not important, but we have no idea how long from the end of the battle until the award ceremony. So, not unreasonable in my opinion to say about 35-48 hours from Luke leaving the farm until the end of the battle.
Regarding the time to track the Falcon, the EU establishes that its homing beacon does report back while the ship is in flight. Specifically, whenever it crosses an S-thread used in the HoloNet, which is what carries the signal back. "Since a ship travelling in hyperspace normally crosses at least one S-thread per hour, a homing beacon can be used to track a ship to almost any system". That implies most journeys take at least an hour, otherwise that functionality would be useless.
However, the Empire may have waited for the Falcon to arrive. "When the ship leaves hyperspace, the homing beacon automatically broadcasts a location update that is accurate to within one parsec." I don't know of a source that established how fast the Death Star was in hyperspace, though.
The zipping around at teleport speed is something you see in basically all bad scripts, people teleport from one end of LA to another in a blink instead of taking 3 hours in gridlock. There's no attention to detail because the writer is not smart/conscientious enough to make it work
Disney made hyperspace literal teleportation in obi wan. Obi went from whatever place he was at to Tatooine in a literal instant as whichever sister was chasing Luke while it was happening.
37:48 Y'know what's worse? Dave Filoni actually used to do good work! I know Clone Wars and Rebels have their own issues, but they do a decent job of not breaking the Universe they're set in while playing with their own concepts. And most importantly, they bend towards the movies when needed. They specifically stay out of areas where the movies need to take place! But as soon as he gets any real control over mainstream perception, he goes and f*cks it up!
He was already starting to mess up the lore in the clone wars show. People give him too much credit for those.
@jm329 I know, but it felt like he was trying to stay consistent.
Dave was never good. He has no sense of internal consistency. He frequently ignores canon, both back in the day with TCW and the EU and today with his new shows and new canon stuff, and he sometimes even ignores things he set up himself. He used to blame George whenever he got called on his shit, but he can't do that nowadays so more people have started to see him for what he is.
The rebels are led by a princess, that’s not a Disney twist.. it was the original Star Wars, sometimes I feel like you guys would hate the original and call it woke if it was released today
The "solar sails" are supposed to be tachyon sails, so it sort of makes sense in that context (tachyons are a speculative particle that goes faster than light; there is no evidence for their real world existence, no known way to detect them if they do exist, and most likely do not exist in real life).
Using Travel time to slow down the story and allow it to breathe is so underrated.
I run a Star Trek Adventures (don't hate me!) Game, and I am very careful to include Travel time between Adventures as a down time.
"You have 1 week between systems, what do you want to do?"
And usually it is characters getting to know each other, do research and development, work on backstory elements. Etc. And it allows the characters and the audience to BREATH and process what happened. It is a natural lul in the story. Use it.
Horribly under rated. And yet people still can't figure out why things like the Lord of the Rings do so well. Travel time and distance are extremely important factors that have toppled empires. And any writing that doesn't address it will never rise above good, at best.
Jet lag gotta go crazy on that kind of scale
I found a gold mine with this channel, keep at it dude
First time watching this channel but this video alone deserves a million views imo 👍👍
14:53 “nothing too groundbreaking”
The editing, audio, and content are fantastic. Is this your only channel? I’ve watched this video, probably 15 times. It’s awesome, my dude. You teased a lightsaber forms video in this one and I was super excited to find it in your library of videos, and although I didn’t find it, I’m stoked to watch it when it’s available, especially if it’s as high quality as this one.
Thank you for the kind words! Yes, this is my only channel (for now...)
@@MaxofZorroReviewsyou got the production quality nailed 👍
I'm a Star Wars casual fan. To me it's a fun series and I know the new ones sucked. But holy moly I can't believe how bad Disney screwed the pooch on this one! They certainly don't cause they know guys like me had no clue this was even a problem. But you know what, screw them. I greatly appreciate a cohesively built world and I appreciate the galaxy scale that exists. It's a shame Disney shat all over it. This video you made was more entertaining than the entire sequel trilogy combined.
This video just gets better and better the longer it goes on.
HOW ON EARTH CAN THIS VIDEO HAVE ONLY 225 VEWS!!! I am watching it 32 minutes and 15 seconds and i notice it just now. This is outrageous! It’s unfair!
Take a seat, young Skywalker.
Thanks! Only my second video so I appreciate the support
@@MaxofZorroReviews You got it man, keep it up!
@@MaxofZorroReviews For a second vid, this is insanely well written and edited. I like video essays a lot and I was shocked reading the comments when I found out that youre quite new here! well done man
@@moonpower4543 it's a very good well made piece of work
This is the best Star Wars content I’ve seen on TH-cam in years. I APPLAUD YOU GOOD SIR.
You are my new favorite creator and I hope you skyrocket.
Great points, Tongue-in-cheek tone, masterful editing. Seriously, well done!
On the topic of the video:
IMO distances and logistics didn’t matter as much for the earlier movies, as long as the galaxy still felt BIG.
However, Disney’s mishandling of the franchise has shrunk the world and made it tiny.
As an example: Tatooine was literally nowhere and Mos Eisley was one of thousands of space ports on this remote planet. The insignificance of those places was the thematic point of their existence.
The lack of imagination and risk taking from this corporate dumpster fire is breathtaking. It has made this world far less enjoyable to engage with and to escape to.
Remember in The Mandalorian when the guy held a speech to the ”Citizens of Navarro!” and there were 20 people on screen? I mean, what the hell is this small-ass scope? Atleast put some more CG-people in there? And stop having ”main characters” randomly bumping into each other. Remember when Ashoka flew with a space whale to a whole other galaxy, and she happened to land on the same planet, and even next to the village where the Ezra-guy she was looking for was hiding? It is harder to find what you’re looking for in my tiny flat than in Disney’s (two!) galaxies 😂😂😂
A video that is packed with interesting information that I never knew AND dunks on Disney star wars AND the prequels? What did I do to deserve such a gift?
Also for RoS, how can the ties which can’t have more than like a class 20 hyperdrive keep up with the falcon’s class .5
7.9k is still too little for the work that's been put here, do better algorithm! Your content is great man, hope you channel keep growing for you deserve it.
Oooohhh new sw lore page found, SUBBED
Honestly bro, considering all the other stuff Rey does. Did you really think she could possibly not have the " warp to any Zone" cheat on?
The measuring system you used to work out the distances for hyperspace travel is known as the "Al Dente" measurement.
Leave it to Italian astrophysicists. :D
Genius Methode of calculating distance spaghetti cm per lightyear
this video is very well made, more effort put into this then alot of starwars channels
Disney/KK admitted that they had no actual plan on how the disney star wars stories would play out, and this just makes that fact so much more apparent
No way that Star Wars (the original movie) spanned only a day. There is some bonding between the characters that cannot take place in just a few hours. Luke would not be devastated from Ben's death if they had spent just a few hours together. Leia would not plead the guy who basically gave her an Uber drive to Yavin to stay and fight. Some days have passed, if not weeks.
Look forward to more
Good video. The hyperdrive travel in the Prequels bothered me, I guess George thinks the ships travel at the speed of plot, and Disney Star Wars threw away the concept of travel completely. 4:42 Actually it was the ttrpg in 1987 that came up with the hyperspace classes. It also had a little table of travel times, measured in days, between the OT systems + Corellia and Dantooine, to give GMs an idea for travel times. Longest distance was 30 days. Table in second edition (1992) revised these hours and days. Shortest was Coruscant to Corellia, 4 hours. Also, while it didn't have a map really, it had a very roughly defined "Slice" which established the regions such as the Colonies or Mid Rim, as well as 2 of the great trade routes: Corellian Run and Perlemian. You are right about when the first map came. I first saw it in Vector Prime.
But going back to the RPG travel distances, it's clear that the early authors, who were told to use the RPG as guide, took the travel distances from the 1st edition, and being military sci-fi guys like Zahn or Stackpole, took them pretty seriously. Hyperspace travel was at its best in the 90s before the prequels when it was understood that travel could take weeks or even a month if the systems weren't right next to other. Also the ships could zip along the major routes faster, but it took longer to traverse through less mapped expanses and routes that weren't as well established. All the possible navigational hazards forced you to go slower. It was also the reason why the Unknown Regions remained unknown.
16:00 I don't really mind Dooku's solar sailer. To rationalize, I don't think it has anything to do with solar power despite the name, just I don't think TIE wings' primary purpose is to be solar panels despite multiple sources describing them as such. In my mind, it's probably a obscure method of hyperspace travel that is too expensive, inefficient or just unknown for mainstream use, but may have some fringe benefit like very low hyperspace entry/exit signature.
19:10 Class 6? Wookieepedia, using and encyclopedia book (and Wizard of the Coast RPG sourcebook for Legens) rates it as class 2. It would make sense that Grievous' escape craft should have a decent hyperdrive just in case he doesn't have a convenient mothership just around the corner to escape to.
22:40 While hyperdrives in TIE fighters were not completely unheard of even before Disney, you are correct that this standard TIE wasn't supposed to have one. J.J. is the worst when it comes to distances in space. He didn't care about them in his Star Trek movies and made complete mockery of it in his Star Wars. Rian is bad too, but he's less "Derp, everything is just right next to everything else" and more "I just don't care, lol".
Thanks for the comment, this is very insightful stuff. Yes, the TTRPG is something I used in my research for the video, but would have needed to add at least another 5-10 minute section to delve deeply into it, so I decided to hold it for its own video in an attempt to trim down the already substantial runtime of this one.
As to Grievous' starfighter, yes this was a grave error on my part. In my research, I had looked up the generic model of Grievous' starfighter, which does come standard equipped with a class 6, but not Grievous' specific ship, which he personally upgraded his to a class 2, along with other "special modifications". I shall take full responsibility for this mistake and apologize to Lord Vader.
@@MaxofZorroReviews Heh, could probably avoided my lenghty "ackchyually" comment about the TTRPG if you mentioned it with a word of sentence. Maybe not. I'm very nostalgic about the d6 system.
Apology accepted...
There's certain lines of dialog in Phantom Menace and visual information from Padmé's pregnancy that leads me to believe that those two movies actually take place over a significantly longer time period than just a couple of days. But then there's other information that seems to compress at least one of those down a fair bit, and we're left with at least visual inconsistencies for the time period Revenge of the Sith takes place over, considering Padmé was able to hide her pregnancy, the twins appear to come out at after a full term and other things while Anakin obviously spent a lot of time away from her during the war. Revenge of the Sith was also supposed to be around twice as long, but as per how trilogy enders work in this franchise, it has a lot of cut content.
Pablo Hidalgo says Revenge of the Sith takes place over the course of about 10 days, however, so I guess that's just how it works.
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+24:22 : If you wanted a best guess I can make some.
1. Han just happened to be nearby and his Star wars equivellent of a Police radio scanner picked up the ID that the Falcon was last operating under. (it had not been active since being stolen - likely as han was one of the few people who could keep it running.
OR Rey when she was tinkering with it as part of her Gig job changed the ID codes to one the ship had on file that Han knew and was looking for. (even if the other times the ship was active it was using new codes he didn't know so couldn't find).
2. Now assuming he wasn't actually near by then you have to get a bit tech tech about it and presuppose that the Hypernet logs a lot of data and broadcasts it in real time to law enforcement and others... ( a bit like getting a real time update on your Parcel delivery) so again a transponder code he knew was red flagged on a programme he had slicing a station somewhere to pass the info on to him. ( he may have hired someone to put a search program in some system somewhere) so a bit like a car that reports itself stolen -
3. when the ship was active it could have reported its own location to him sas rey was supposedly tinkering with it she could have accidentally reset the ship to default settings and triggered the anti-theft transpoder somehow.. she could have even done that when starting it as she didn't turn the "identity spoof" on when she started the ship and so it merrily broadcast "I am here" to the universe.
4. The Ships navicompter is semi-sentient so could have decided to yell for help when it realised no one had turned the security system on and that is the message Han got From Lando's old Droid Girlfriend sending a yell for help.
just some ideas anyway I had about all that.
Good video. Definitely deserves more views than it has.
23:17 My left ear very much enjoyed these 2 seconds
The base model of the Belbullab-22 has a class 6, but Grievous's is customized.
I assumed new hope happened over several days... we just didn't need to see them sleep.
But the reaaaal problem is Empire. They are looking at the galaxy from a massive distance.
It must have taken them years of travel just to get that galaxy shot.
Awesome video. Please let me live in a universe that the Disney executives watch and listen to this.😅😊
I like the solar sails. I dont think they are used for hyperspeed though, i think they are simply used for drifting through space instead of using fuel
The Disney rant was not it, keep that shit out next time 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Great video & I especially loved the Veggie Tales "stop being so silly!" Reference.
Hyperspace skipping is probably in the running for one of the dumbest things to come out of the sequel trilogy.
@@jayburn00 there's no "probably" about it for ME. I saw that and knew I probably wasnt going to be able to ever accept this movie as canon
How did you go on a full anti socialist rant then say you like Andor the most blatantly socialist piece of SW media? I love Andor too, hate all other Disney Star Wars, and I am a socialist, so I’m curious like did you genuinely not pick up on it? Or is it so good that you are able to look past the leftist messaging in the show?? I don’t know just curious
Thanks for the comment.
My issue with the anti-capitalist message in the Last Jedi isn't actually the message itself, it's how awkward and poorly integrated it is into the story. "Overdramatic, indelicate, ham-fisted" is what I call it in the video. By contrast, when a character in Andor espouses a political belief, it feels like the character actually holds that belief, because they're a well-written character. Even if I personally still disagree with that character's worldview, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show because it never feels like the people that made it are trying to preach that belief or shove it down my throat. It feels much more like competent storytellers telling a story, and those characters happen to think that way.
It's like watching bad, cringey Christian movies that have no substance and just try to preach a message, compared to a movie like Hacksaw Ridge that portrays a deeply religious character, but isn't shoving Christianity down the viewer's throat. Everyone likes that movie, not because they necessarily agree with the character's worldview, but because it's well written and performed, and it's not ham-fisting any message down your throat. That's how I feel about the difference between TLJ and Andor.
Hope than answers your question :)
@ yeah I was sure it was about quality. Disney Star Wars just sucks. Andor is a shining light in the darkness and I’m looking forward to season 2.
13:25 I imagine the reason it has its own room is kinda like the design behind some PCs. Some simpler, cheaper ones that you only use to get work done are closed and without a way to see inside without opening it, like the hyperdrive in an x-wing. But some have spacious boxes with RGB lights and glass doors, ready to be opened easily to work on it and upgrade it, like the hyperdrive room in the **fully chrome SR-71 Blackbird**. It shows how proud the ship owner is of his expensive PC.
Also remember that in Force Awakens when Starkiller fires its Multi-Planetary-Destroying-Laser that everyone can see it at Taco Bell (Takodana) even though it's destroying the Hosnian System which is pretty far away..Now I know, they tried to explain that by saying everyone in the galaxy could see it because the lasers were fired into hyperspace or some nonsense like that, but that really just makes it all worse..
It's because, just like in his Star Trek movies, JJ doesn't understand the very concept of distance or time in Space..
If I recall correctly the trip from Tatooine to Alderan(formerly) was actually about a week or two.
This video randomly appeared on my TH-cam feed and boy am I glad it did. I always found the concept of hyperspace travel in the Star Wars Universe quite interesting so you making this video appealed to me quite a bit. You evidently put a lot of work into it and I enjoyed both the structure of the video, your editing and also the comedic bits in (and I was also amused by all the little references to EFAP). There are some criticism I'd give, mainly with how you maybe could have broken down the travel in Episode 2 since there's a lot of intergalactic travel in it, even if it's not convoluted a breakdown might have benefited the video. The other piece of criticism would be addressing the issue of hyperspace travel over long distances in small ships like with Obi-Wans starfighter in Episode 2 from Coruscant to Kamino or Padme and Captain Typho travelling aboard their starships from Naboo to Coruscant. I see these as potential issues since travelling for days in the small cockpit of a starfighter seems quite unpleasant if not unrealistic. Of course this issue can be more or less explained by speculating that both Obi-Wan and Padme just had stops in between their travel to rest, drink, eat and empty their bowels, but a mention would have been nice.
Regardless of these (for me personally) rather small issues I thoroughly enjoyed this video, good job, keep up the good work
The easiest way I’ve found to describe hyperspace travel to someone is comparing it to nether travel in Minecraft, 1 block in the nether=8 blocks in the overworld.
This is actually very accurate, I might have to use that analogy next time I explain the concept.
@DZ-X3 don’t forget about the similar creatures like hyperspace banshees being like ghasts
For the First Order TIE fighter, there are multiple models. The standard one, the one you seem to have researched is not equipped with jump drive (and it is only for one person, and it doesn't have the red stripes on the cockpit, and it doesn't have additional elements like turrets on it). Then the special forces TIE has all of mentioned before, including jump drive.
Good video tho.
Well, gonna wait for more. Really like your style and approach to the theme. Hope you will touch Andor more in future.
What I wouldn’t give to touch Andor 😈
ive never seen hyperspace travle as consistent, its a plot device and it takes as long as the plot needs it to take.
I thought we *COLLECTIVELY* agreed that Disney Star wars doesn't exist that's never existed and it will never exist and to acknowledge something that doesn't exist is lunacy (joke)
I’m guessing I’m one of very few people watching this video who has seen miss congeniality. So it falls on me to say I appreciate the editing gag of you cutting to that scene every time you say “one in a million”
Amazing video, so well said!! ♥
Disney ruined hyperspace in TFA by ignoring long established gravity well physics.
22:30 The Tie Fighter stolen by Finn and Poe is the Special Forces variant, which does have a hyperdrive. This is also why it has the extra seat and the super powerful heavy laser canons.
These are really good.
Looking forward to more
god, the way that disney has absolutely massacred Hyperspace Travel is actually kinda hilarious, there were several points in the video where I actually laughed at how utterly, ridiculously destroyed Hyperspace Travel is now
It is funny; the look of entering hyperspace in Star Wars (streaming past all of the glowing white lines) doesn't originate with George Lucas. George got the effect from the low budget, SCi-Fi classic Dark Star. He was so impressed with the hyperdrive effect in Dark Star that he contacted Dan O'Bannon (Dark Star. Alien) to ask him how he created it and to help do it for Star Wars. George knew O'Bannon from their time together at USC School of Cinema-Television, and due to the hyperdrive effect brought him to work on computer animation and graphic displays for Star Wars.
I see you’re just starting TH-cam but keep it up, love your vids so far
Thanks for the encouragement 🙏
@@MaxofZorroReviewsofc bro that smiling friends clip killed me😂 subscribed as soon as it happened
I wonder what would happen if you did away with the official map (like the writers clearly did) and then tried to figure out if there was a way of having the planets arranged so that it would actually make sense.
(Like obviously the writers didn't have a consistent map they were referencing, but... imagine if they did, and all the weird teleportation *does* make sense if you throw out everything we know besides the movies. Ret-con a new map).
It's an interesting thought experiment, but if you take the Rise of Skywalker for example, every single planet they visit would actually have to be in the same solar system for any of it to make sense, and then it still wouldn't make sense 😂
Don't worry, it makes sense. The sequels have Class -69 Hyperdrives.
Heh nice
The Star Wars Galaxy is larger than our own Milky Way. The Milky Way Galaxy is just over 87,400 light years across.
I love how your Hyperspace discussion has a thousand criticisms of Disney's trilogy fitted in.
3:38 - so basically Hyperspace is like the Nether🤣
Where 1 block equals 8 blocks travelled in the overworld
bro comes up with the sickest horror concept only to use it as an example of bad writing.
Great video, I always enjoy content like this and hope to see more from your channel. An interesting point on the hyperdrive scale I might add is the acclamatiors hyperdrive. Though most military ships of its size will have somewhere around a point 2 the acclamator actually has a class 0.6, this is because it’s meant to ferry troopers around the galaxy and actually makes it one of the fastest ships out there.
Also a small nitpick I’d like to point out is the TIE Finn and Poe escape in is a special forces TIE. This is denoted by the red band on the side of its cockpit. The TIE/sf is different from the regular First Order TIE because it has a hyperdrive, it is also different because it has room for two pilots, shields, and more weapons. The regular First Order TIE is basically just a TIE. This is established from the start with things like the TFA cross sections. I’m not one to defend the sequels but I just wanted to make it clear. Though the small size of the hyperdrive is another problem. It’s basically a small box put in the section connecting the cockpit ball and the wing, with the shield generator in the other connector.
disney treat space like the ocean on earth that's why we get space whales
That's been a concept as long as sci fi.
@ Not really in 40k space is treated as an ongoing threat where going from planet to planet you essentially have to go to hell to shorten the distance and pray your anti-hell shields to work. To shorten the point of space is what every writer wants but the ocean on Earth breaks the point of space.
They had a sail ship in ST: DS9 and it could travel at lightspeed with tachyon eddies whatever those are.
I’m not a big fan of how you introduced hyperdrive classes. Most ships in the Star Wars universe have somewhere between a class 3 to a class 1 hyperdrive on them. Class 6 and beyond (yes they go even lower than that) are backup hyperdrives that on the scale of the entire galaxy are snail speed. Strangely enough the Acclimator class assault ship used by the Clone Army has a class 0.6 hyperdrive; making it the only widely produced ship that has a hyperdrive faster than 1. Which could also explain why the Millennium Falcon has such a fast hyperdrive if Han Solo or Lando Calerisian shoved a supercharged Acclimator hyperdrive into the tiny YT-1300 freighter.
Another thing is how the hyperdrive came to be. In Star Wars Legends the first hyperdrives were invented by an ancient race of aliens called the Rakata who once ruled the galaxy with an iron fist. Their first hyperdrives were powered by their connection to the dark side of the Force and could only travel to planets strong in the Force. Later on humans and other species would reverse engineer Rakatan technologies and use those to build their hyperdrives. In Canon though it’s a bit more confusing. Instead they based the hyperdrive off of the Purgils which are these space whale creatures who have a sort of biological hyperdrive. Personally I like the Rakatan explanation better, but I can see how it could be both.
LOL
So you see "A Gay Shower scene".. where as My Mind is hearing that they were Feeding Prisoners to Chewie & so was way more focused to that piece of character assassination.
As for that scene I think they were going for a parallel to when Chewie hugs him in ROTJ when he's still blind and has just been defrosted.
*Heck it was bad enough that his best friend just died and Leia walks right by him and hugs the woman she just met instead*
& they also mentioned he broke up with his wife too.. so yeah "thanks for that" Disneywars.
*they really don't like Wookies do they*.
Rogue One is boring and mostly Harmless and likely never needed to exist.. so basically like Andor.
Wait that planet was called what ? 26:25
What you don't understand how Hyperspace Travel sped up by orders of magnitude? What are you sexist?
I NEED the Chumbo: A Star Wars Story movie now.
It pisses me off to no end how simply mapped out a good assumption of distance. A Soggy noodle was more capable then modern disney.
I hope you get more reach with time, but for now i love that your videos are add free, lol
In regards to "is that alderaan time or tatooine time": One thing that is often not all that much considered: Not only should most planets have their own time systems, time zones would be quite an annoying problem to deal with, too. With the kinds of speeds you can travel at, jetlag would make standard operating/working hours near impossible, and be quite annoying when it comes to interplanetary negotiations and other such meetings.
I second the Allegiance recommendation. Any Star Wars book by Timothy Zahn is good though
10:55
Travelling scenes can offer so many interesting dialogues and choices. It can give interesting moments of downtime and balance out the pacing. It’s a mistake to view them as ‘not being part of the plot’ or something you just ‘have to get through’ to reach ‘the good stuff’. Heck… When Game of Thrones was good, a very solid chunk of scenes were travelling scenes. Same with Star Wars. And I know phrasing this sounds like a stretch, but, would the Lord of the Rings be more fun if they skipped all the travelling and got straight to Mordor? Don’t think so.
Space is so goddamn empty that 99.9999999999999999999999999 percent of the time a series of quick jumps would dump you into the void each time, but they somehow manage to hit some oddly over the top scenery with every jump
I've never read a Star Wars novel, but I loved Timothy Zahn's book The Icarus Hunt.
As far as I'm aware, he made 5 books pre-Disney... His "Thrawn Trilogy", and then another 2 I can’t remember the name of right now... I think 1 was called Visions of the Future...
Believe me... They were AMAZING books... All 5!
17:06 I thought the solar sail was cool. Maybe that was because I was in Jr. High, & I just read about them in a science magazine, but it was still cool to see one on screen.
I took "the hyperdrive is leaking" to mean it's leaking energy, as a metaphor. R2 fixed it fast and improvised a bit, but that caused it to get perma-fried after one use.
"Terrible detective movies for Netflix"? Nah, Glass Onion slaps. Who's really the hack here?
Impressive, most impressive. A fine addition, look forward to your career, and all that sort of thing.
On the solar sailer, do you have access to a different cut of AotC? Because in the version I have now, and in the one I saw in 2002, Dooku's ship is never shown as it enters or exits hyperspace. The sails are unfurled after leaving atmosphere, because obviously you can't use them until you've reached that altitude on repulsorlifts. After that, we do not see Dooku travelling from one system to another. By the time we cut back to his ship, not only has he crossed the galaxy, he's travelled far enough in-system that it's time to retract the sails for atmospheric entry. Something tells me Coruscant traffic control would have some procedures for approaching the galactic capital.
They don't show Dooku's ship entering or exiting hyperspace, this is true. However, like you said, he unfurls the sail as soon as he's out of atmosphere over Geonosis, and they're still open next time we see him outside of Coruscant. As far as I can tell, that means they stayed open while he was in hyperspace, which I find to be very silly. But even if he did retract them before jumping to hyperspace and unfurl them afterwards, I still think solar sails are a wildly inefficient and silly way to travel in this era of spacefaring. For me, it's the epitome of form over function. And while Dooku certainly has style, he's also characterized as highly intelligent and tactful. Someone like that probably wouldn't rely on such an archaic form of travel, especially when beating a hasty retreat.
@@MaxofZorroReviewsThey have their own uses, no? Solar sails are great for stealth purposes, which would be useful in that particular situation that Dooko was in.
@@shaunooi2551 You could make the argument for that, however, the only ships we see him pass when escaping are Trade Federation ships, which are his allies. If we had seen Venators instead I might be persuaded, but I don't see any reason why he would be sneaking past his own guys.
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@@MaxofZorroReviewsit would be useful sneaking into coruscant
Loving the EFAP references and clear inspirations
You could have their shuttle be intercepted by the First Order as soon as they launch for the Casino planet and skip the whole sidequest. The rest of the movie could go on without any other changes.
Almost perfect.
You even got close to it.
Interdictor ships, holding back ships from going into hyperspace by creating a gravity well.
ANH even alluded to it, given that they needed to away from a planet in order to jump.
TFA: Jumps in and out of gravity wells. Several times.
TLJ: Once? I think? When M. Falcon jumps into krayt and does a triple shot or something. Honestly, I stopped going to cinemas after that movie and I've only seen it once.
RoS: The whole hyperskipping thing, which is apt for skipping through movie and what worth it is.
Bonus: Exocron being so difficult to get to because of navigation hazards that you need a wayfinder... Which was fine, when we got into the bloodred nebula, to which it could be in there, but no... it's on the other side!
Go around the friggin nebula!!!
Bonus2: Ach-to/Atju planet. Cannot be found without a map. And you only have a piece of the map. Why do you need the galaxy, when the minor piece of the map has three whole sectors!?
It even was only one aspect of hs lore, that's issued here.
Acolyte gave us also another jem that deserves attention. Remember how in on scene a ship that's in a stationary orbit, jumps directly n another ship exits hs the next second in the almost same spot it jumped from.
If it uaed the mass shadow of the planet to exit which works since zahn made it a thing, it obviosly would make this spot an impossibility to jump from. The planet would b an interdiction source.
But even if the exit was done by the pilot manually, it still leaves the first ship jumping without speeding up enough till jump speed is reached n the hyperdrive works.
The hs skipping also has them come out of hs so close to not just planets gravity but their surface, they would have been janked out naturally before po could disengage n none of these jumps would allow a direct jump back out. The only possibility for such a maneuver would b exclusively in deepspace, which would prohibit the crazy visuals, which were the sole reason to include such nonsense at all.