The first test between @1:26 and 4:07 had DLSS Quality enabled instead of DLSS as shown in the description. It has no effect on the performance here though as the game was locked to 60 fps and it is achievable with either DLAA or DLSS. The timestamp descriptions are correct for these 2 tests. My apologies.
While these are really fun enjoyable games, Capcom development and performance really needs to step up. Im sure even the big fans of the franchise are annoyed at how it truly runs without FG, and that FG is the scapegoat they used.
And that's the thing, these games are good, and they are fun. They just lack technical polish. I know custom game engines are expensive to make and maintain so they'd want to get as much use out of the RE Engine as they can, but if it means frame gen becomes a requirement then surely other options should be considered?
Big monster hunter fan here, bout 4500 hours played since 4 ultimate. I very much love these games and i play the shit out of them. I am absolutely shocked at how bad wilds runs on both ps5 and pc. I cancelled my console preorder and I dont think im going to be buying this title without major improvements. My pc would need a very costly upgrade to play this well. My ps5 runs so bad that i locked my resolution at 1080p and switched the game to performance mode to get a stable frame rate, this results in the visuals being at best ps3/early ps4 and even then it gets choppy. My friends are all wearing rose tinted glasses believeing its gonna magically have no issues on launch but i have nothing but doubts and reservations, this game needs to cook longer.
@@davidritchie7951If it makes you feel any better, Capcom have said that the remaining time before launch is pretty much all going to be them optimizing and polishing the game. I highly doubt the game will be perfect at release, but it HAS to be better than this.
console player who never touched PC never complained with this beta, they're fine running in both performance / resolution mode. Me personally who had i3 12100f 2060s for definitely need to upgrade my PC 😂.
It's very rough, as you pointed out there are a lot of issues. On top of the bugs, the graphics preset scaling and even the upscaling preset scaling is not very good at all. For a game with frame generation listed in the system requirements, they didn't even do a basic job of implementing in FSR FG either with ghosting around the character. It's good that this is not the final release and they do have a while to sort out these issues, hopefully they take a look at them so the final game can be better. Hard to expect much from this engine after DD2 though.
I completely forgot frame generation was listed as a requirement as another person mentioned if they were going to put that requirement in they should have worked with Mvidia & AMD to nail it down
EXPECTING people to use crutches to run your game in acceptable framerate should be punishable. I say we boycott it until they fix this bullshit. Crutches like DLSS, FSR and frame generation needed to IMPROVE performance on shitty GPU's, not to be an intended experience.
Fully agreed. DLSS was introduced with the 20-series alongside RT, because there it was needed. Requiring it to be able to tun a game without any RT is unacceptable. And it's even worse for a game to actually put frame gen in the recommended requirements. But a boycott wont work, there are currently 400K players in Monster Hunter. The majority of the people dont care about performance unfortunately :(
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews What’s even crazier is that this game doesn’t really look that visually impressive. It looks good, but nothing groundbreaking-maybe it's on par with MHW or just slightly better. Clearly, they didn’t optimize it, and the more feedback and complaints they receive, the better chance they have to fix the issues. I hope it doesn’t come to review bombing, but if that’s what it takes, then it is what it is.
@@WoollyWalrus It has a very gritty look, and that's a look that works well with the Resident Evil games. I'm not sold on it here yet though, because as you said, it doesnt look better than MHW, or only slightly, yet the performance will make you believe you are running full ray tracing. The MH games have always been fan favourites, so I really hope they can fix it. Apparently the current version they are working on is in a better state, so let's see how it goes at launch. Holding thumbs here.
@@ItsjustPrentiss I see this cope all the time, but by default, it means that there is a reason why they didn't put their newest most stable build out. I am sure people would have rather Capcom put out the best they have, otherwise they are just making people doubt the game, which in sales that is the last thing you want to do. I wonder why they didn't put their best and most stable out. If this is the best they have then I am very worried about the release in february.
@@sungjin-woo3894 Yeah there is a reason the latest build isn’t fully tested yet, that’s how game development works. Devs will use older builds that are playable for their betas and to test network compatibility which is the purpose of this beta. By full release the game will be more optimized compared to this, they just confirmed it on their page not to long ago.
Theoretically it might improve before launch, but if I had a penny every time gamers convinced each other that "it's just the beta, bro" only for the final release product to be similarly broken, I'd be a millionaire... Even a $2000+ graphics card struggles to maintain 60fps at 4k for a game that really doesn't look so good that it would justify that kind of performance. I was hyped for the game, now not so much anymore.
Exactly how I feel. Sure, there's a chance it will improve, there's still a few months to go. But history repeats itself and very rarely have we seen major improvements from beta to release. I'm not holding my breath, though I really hope it is much improved.
The game is primarily cpu bottlenecked. You actually don’t need as good of a gpu as you’d think. Which is weird because they undersell the cpu in recommended specs and over sell the gpu .
i dont think i can remeber a beta that had bad performance and the launch actual fixed the performance, so im not having my hopes up especially since launch will have denuvo
@@SH1NK1R01even with a 7800x3d the performance is bad and it doesn’t utilize the full cpu power very well and that is sad. However the gpu still plays a huge part in frame rates if I compared my girlfriend 4080super vs my 3070 and we both had the 7800x3d she could run ultra settings at 120-180 fps on 1080p native while I struggled to hold 30-40 fps even on high settings.
It also could mean it's CPU bottlenecked, especially if all cores/threads are high usage It does mean, you can increase settings without losing performance much, if GPU is still under utilized
It is 100 percent a cpu bottleneck. I have a 4080 super paired with a 7950x3d, and at 1440p on ultra settings, my fps never dipped below 90 fps (frame gen enabled, which was done really well on Nvidia gpus in this game). What leaves more to be desired is frame gen on AMD Radeon gpus (mirage artifacting around the character when moving the camera, which a few people I play with said). With Nvidia, it was a different story it was literally free fps.
its CPU bottleneck because they implement Dynamic to their games either NPC, environment, monsters, animations etc. if you already play the Beta look at the hunter's animation, it is all dynamic like when you run or even when you get hit, its not 2 or 3 baked hit animation like World did, it reacts dynamically to the monster attack and what weapon you use. also monsters has dynamic turf war now, in world it is scripted turf war. your NPC ally is also dynamic, all is dynamic. that cost CPU to calculate, thats why its bottleneck. one way to fix this is capcom has to tone down that dynamic thing, maybe some dynamic but some is scripted. f.e the hunter animations could be like World where it is all baked animation, or the turf war is scripted. that is me talking as an animator.
for comparison: my 7900 xtx nitro+ gets like 100-120 fps in that area on ultra + u can manually adjust 2 settings at least to get even more detail (high-highest) at 1440p (fsr 3 + framegen). When i activate afmf2, i get the frames doubled to 240.
Using frame gen is against Nvidias own recommendation of using it below 60fps. It's a sad world when you need a 2000 dollar GPU to get a blurred image due to faked pixel upscaling and high input delay use to low framerate+frame gen. But you know some people are okay with that and like to tell others its fine, to that i say, you must be a boomer with poor eyesight and bad reaction time to notice it.
I see a lot of people calling it a demo. This is not a demo, it is a Beta. Demo is for trying out a finished product. Alpha/Beta is for trying out the still in production product so developers can get an idea what needs improvement and bug fixes through their surveys. On their X social media account you can do the survey and they will give rewards when full game releases.
Yeah indeed, I do mention that it is a beta and that this is probably not final performance. I am pretty sceptical of Capcom and RE Engine in open-world games though, and I think the full version will probably have more bug fixes than actual performance improvements. Not saying there wont be any, but if Dragon's Dogma 2 is anything to go by the performance wont improve drastically. But we'll see, I'm hoping for the best.
Definitely cpu bound. I have a 14700k with a regular 4080 and 7000MT/s cl32 memory. At 1440p ultra settings with dlss quality and fg on I hit my hard cap of 158 fps (vrr cap from reflex) on my 165hz monitor consistently with very little input lag.
I was very disappointed to find out, that the 1660 Super GPU is in fact not viable as minimum requirement. Based on what the ingame PC Specs displays for me on lowest settings, I require at least 6.11GB RAM. The 1660 Super has 6GB on paper, 5.8GB in action. My GPU doesn't even get to talk🤣 It's served me so well until today. I am very sad. And too poor for a new GPU right now. And the next Gen GPUs may not release before MHWilds, and who knows if they will be affordable.
Man, that really sucks. I saw people with 2060 6GB GPUs post screenshots on Twitter, and it's rough. At times it just renders squares and triangles, makes it look like minecraft! And as is the case with Dragon's Dogma 2, reducing the preset doesnt help much. Let's hope they can improve VRAM management by launch,. otherwise they are going to lose a lot of players using older GPUs. People that have played the MH games from way back when, when it still ran on potatoes.
Yeah, similar issues to DD2. At least the stuttering is a bit less here than in DD2, but the overall performance is pretty much the same unfortunately.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews I really hope they take player feedback seriously and make improvements because there's definitely a great game here. Developers need to realize that optimization is crucial for player experience and not just an option. Also, your benchmark was impressively detailed; I watch other TH-camrs like Daniel Ownens and Zworm, and your content quality is top-notch. Keep it up.
@@WoollyWalrus Thank you, those are very kind words. I actually started my channel 2 years ago and Krizzp from ZwormZ was my inspiration. I dont have his charisma or humour, but he inspires me a lot.
i can't even enable the upscaling and shit because having ANY upscaling turned on turns the graphics into a black screen, fortunately the game averaged about 60 FPS during combat at 1440 high on a rx 7900xt, but there were heavy traversal stutters
I heard other people complain about AMD GPUs too, and wondering if it's a driver issue? I saw they released a beta / preview driver for this game, have you tried that one yet?
Yeah, my bad for using obsolete hardware. Thought people would be interested in me showing performance of an entry-level GPU. Guess I'll have to break embargo and just post videos with the 5090 Ti Super.
I get that imput lag is a problem with frame generation, but capping the fps makes the problem look a lot worse than it actually is. Usually it should mantain the same milliseconds and double the fps: if the game runs at 60fps 40ms at native, with frame generation should be around 120fps 40ms
For how demanding it is, game looks like doo doo. HFW/D, RDR2, Cyberpunk2077 all have very busy detailed worlds with lots of stuff going on and they are way less demanding that this. Dragon's Dogma 2 also had the same performance issues with rigs that ran way better looking games so it seems this is a pattern forming with Capcom and their open world games so if this beta is any indication of the release performance then I will skip out on this game as much as it pains me to say cause I love MH.
I am using the BIOS version from June, and Windows 24H2. Is your performance suffering as well, or is it just 100% utilized? Are your e-cores and HT enabled too?
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews All turned on, undervolted, everything normal, only when playing games, CPU is usually full load 100%, performance is still ok
Fps must be (uncapped) and you need a min of 60fps to start using frame generation (60fps = frame generation 120fps) only way it can be used. You will also need a faster CPU to push more frames using resolution scaling.
Yeah indeed, but the system requirements show a 4060 with frame gen reaching 60 fps, and I wanted to show what the input latency would be like if you got 60 fps with frame gen.
One of the things that is becoming more and more noticeable as time goes on is that we have reached a point of exponential inversion of graphical improvement. The improvements made to this game are in fact a big leap compared to world. But it’s not easily perceived to the eye. It’s mostly things like hair physics, sway on foliage, larger field, multiple ai controlled monsters roaming around. But the player can only see what’s on screen and it’s not under a microscope to it seems barely any different. Add on the fact that the improvements are super taxing and expensive and it leads to this happening so often now. Game looks barely better to most people but runs worse because now the graphical improvements are extremely taxing and don’t change the front facing image as much. This will get worse before it’s gets better. At least as long as the casual consumer continues to thirst for only the finest graphics. Companies keep chasing the moving target and it’s getting impossible to handle.
why are you only running in camp, not a good idea of framerate because it usually chugs in base for some reason, did you try running these tests out in the field against monsters and during heavy weather effects?
Dragon Age Veilguard with Ultra Ray Tracing, Native runs better while looking significantly better too. The RE Engine is just not cut out for open-world games.
Guy its nice you test all out but perhaps you read before some tests. IN MH games you can turn off some things in grafic settings - like volumetric fog = low, motionblur cost about 12% of gpu usage = set it off; vignette function = off and Bloom = off/Low. Ultra setting is never worth - never! I have 4080 and 7800X3D in WQHD and i got just with these settings out much better results. You just need to test and read some decriptions ingame.
Optimized settings have never been the focus of this channel. I have always tested presets from Highest to Lowest in all my videos. It is only to give people an idea of what the performance is like, and I often say that personalized or optimized settings are the way to go.
It isn't the 4080 super i have one as well but mine is paired with a 7950x3d and with frame gen on, 1440p, all ultra settings I got 120 fps and the lowest it would drop was to 90fps. It dropped to 90 if i was playing with my brother, who mains bow(a lot of pixel effects and you can also turn this off seeing other players' weapon effects in settings). 14600KF isn't a good pair with a high-end gpu.
They are excluding a lot of players here if this is going to be final performance for sure. People are used to playing these on era-appropriate low-to-mid-range hardware. Now all of a sudden you need a 4080 to hit 60 fps without frame gen. Not ideal 🤣
I see, the first section where I test the input latency. I'll pin a comment. Just a typo. It doesnt affect the performance at all in that section though as the framerate is locked to 60 fps.
It really is insane. I am barely able to maintain 60 fps at 1440p with a 4080 Super. A 4070, which is still a GREAT GPU today will not hit that without frame gen even. What GPU do you have?
And that's the point I wanted to get across without using those exact words. Imagine people with decent older systems, like a 3700X + 6700XT. They'd be used to be able to play pretty much anything at 1080p or 1440p with upscaling. A friend tested the 3700X with a 7900XTX and it wouldnt reach 60 fps with frame gen. That's unacceptable.
Betas and demos are supposed to lure people in, but lately its been having the opposite effect on me. Hopefully people let their wallets do the talking here, otherwise this will just continue.
Its sad to see that i cant play this game with a i5 12600k and a rtx 3060ti at 1440p. It just looked awfull. It a step back to Worlds.. which is like 6 Years old by now? Idk remember when it came out, but worlds looks to me better and works much better than wilds. I am not willing to pay 2k+€ for this game for a new PC.
Game is insanely fun, only problem is the performance is straight ass. There's no reason this game is running worse than Cyberpunk with path tracing enabled while looking worse. CDPR really did a great job with their DLSS and Frame Gen implementation because I could actually play the game with those enabled. In Wilds the differences are negligible. I use a 4090 with a 5900x on 1440p superwide (32:9). avg frames with DLSS ultra and frame gen enabled + all settings maxed is around 105-120 depending on the area. Performance is noticeably worse as it drops to around 95fps during the sandstorm but thats to be expected with all the extra visual efx happening around.
That's really my only issue. This and Dragon's Dogma 2 are fun as hell, but the performance even on high-end hardware is really rough. CDPR and Cyberpunk will be the benchmark for an open-world game that looks and runs great for a while to come. Not to say Cyberpunk isnt demanding, it is, but its settings scale very well. And as you said, DLSS and FG are very well implemented in CP, so it runs well while still looking great when those are used.
70 FPS at 4k ultra on a 4080 with DLSS quality is poor, but not horrible. I'm curious to see if a 4070 is capable of 60FPS+,(no FG) at 1440p and and a 4060 does 60FPS (no fg) at 1080p
Considering that at 1400p we are dropping to 63 fps at times with the 4080 Super I highly doubt it. The presets make very little difference too, so a 4070 would probably need frame gen to hit 60 fps at 1440p. The 4060 is listed in the recommended specs as 1080p Medium, DLSS Quality with Frame Gen to hit 60 fps.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Requiring framegen to hit 60 FPS at on a 4060 at 1080p is a problem for me. I like one percent lows above 50 FPS before I enable framegen and if presets don't matter, I'm not going to get there. Thanks for the testing - given the system requirements, I doubt that things will get significantly better by launch
@@pcgameshardware867 Correct. UE4 also had a very distinctive look, and the same applies to RE Engine as well. Though it does help that at least the armor etc are quite colorful here, so there is at least a bit of contrast. For DD2 I used RTX Vibrance and it helped quite a bit with the "dull" look.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews personally the ui has taken a huge step back too, looks like generic final fantasy esque design while abandoning almost all design elements that actually gave mh a visual identity of its own. I am always bewildered why we cant have the classic clock, hp bars or item bars back, seriously. The new healthbar is SO visually distracting and confusing for literally NO REASON, and im not a fan of the weird red pulse warning of a big attack as if the team couldnt be bothered to put in actual creative telegraphs for giant attacks like sound design (also critically underwhelming in wilds) or monster movement. Sorry for the rant, just havent heard many people even consider that fact. At this point, id even prefer the ridiculously slow emptying healthbars from the ps2 era games and freedom unite/frontier
Let’s be honest. Even with a low grade gpu it’s still playable. You just won’t get 60fps. This game ranges around 45-57 at most. You will still have fun regardless
The sad thing is the majority of people dont care about the technical stuff, and the game sitting at 400K users on Steam probably means it's going to perform very well in terms of sales come launch :( Let's hope it looks and runs better then, but I highly doubt it.
@@jimincos I meant the other guy. I don't see this being a flop at all. Also don't know which game I'm playing but it looks a thousand times better than world
it's unacceptable. i refuse to care about this game until they care about us enjoying the game *day one* or else, don't put the fucking thing out hahaha
100%, I wont be buying. I'll wait a few days after launch and see what the performance is like before spending any money on this game. If it's close to the performance here I'll just skip it entirely.
The first test between @1:26 and 4:07 had DLSS Quality enabled instead of DLSS as shown in the description. It has no effect on the performance here though as the game was locked to 60 fps and it is achievable with either DLAA or DLSS. The timestamp descriptions are correct for these 2 tests. My apologies.
While these are really fun enjoyable games, Capcom development and performance really needs to step up.
Im sure even the big fans of the franchise are annoyed at how it truly runs without FG, and that FG is the scapegoat they used.
And that's the thing, these games are good, and they are fun. They just lack technical polish. I know custom game engines are expensive to make and maintain so they'd want to get as much use out of the RE Engine as they can, but if it means frame gen becomes a requirement then surely other options should be considered?
Big monster hunter fan here, bout 4500 hours played since 4 ultimate. I very much love these games and i play the shit out of them. I am absolutely shocked at how bad wilds runs on both ps5 and pc. I cancelled my console preorder and I dont think im going to be buying this title without major improvements. My pc would need a very costly upgrade to play this well. My ps5 runs so bad that i locked my resolution at 1080p and switched the game to performance mode to get a stable frame rate, this results in the visuals being at best ps3/early ps4 and even then it gets choppy. My friends are all wearing rose tinted glasses believeing its gonna magically have no issues on launch but i have nothing but doubts and reservations, this game needs to cook longer.
@@davidritchie7951 I'm really holding thumbs it gets improved a lot by the time it launches. The fans deserve it.
@@davidritchie7951If it makes you feel any better, Capcom have said that the remaining time before launch is pretty much all going to be them optimizing and polishing the game. I highly doubt the game will be perfect at release, but it HAS to be better than this.
console player who never touched PC never complained with this beta, they're fine running in both performance / resolution mode.
Me personally who had i3 12100f 2060s for definitely need to upgrade my PC 😂.
It's very rough, as you pointed out there are a lot of issues. On top of the bugs, the graphics preset scaling and even the upscaling preset scaling is not very good at all. For a game with frame generation listed in the system requirements, they didn't even do a basic job of implementing in FSR FG either with ghosting around the character. It's good that this is not the final release and they do have a while to sort out these issues, hopefully they take a look at them so the final game can be better. Hard to expect much from this engine after DD2 though.
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100% my feeling as well. Judging by how DD2 still runs today I dont think we are going to see major improvements
I completely forgot frame generation was listed as a requirement as another person mentioned if they were going to put that requirement in they should have worked with Mvidia & AMD to nail it down
100% agreed. If it is required then make it work as best as it can.
Just like the game, The performance is also Wild! xD
Exactly! And you need a Monster PC to be able to play 🤣
yeah ! you need to hunt for those used ones to get it off cheap
EXPECTING people to use crutches to run your game in acceptable framerate should be punishable. I say we boycott it until they fix this bullshit. Crutches like DLSS, FSR and frame generation needed to IMPROVE performance on shitty GPU's, not to be an intended experience.
Fully agreed. DLSS was introduced with the 20-series alongside RT, because there it was needed. Requiring it to be able to tun a game without any RT is unacceptable. And it's even worse for a game to actually put frame gen in the recommended requirements.
But a boycott wont work, there are currently 400K players in Monster Hunter. The majority of the people dont care about performance unfortunately :(
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews yea, i would not care if i had 4090 to be fair XD i am just salty MH fan XD
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews What’s even crazier is that this game doesn’t really look that visually impressive. It looks good, but nothing groundbreaking-maybe it's on par with MHW or just slightly better. Clearly, they didn’t optimize it, and the more feedback and complaints they receive, the better chance they have to fix the issues. I hope it doesn’t come to review bombing, but if that’s what it takes, then it is what it is.
@@WoollyWalrus It has a very gritty look, and that's a look that works well with the Resident Evil games. I'm not sold on it here yet though, because as you said, it doesnt look better than MHW, or only slightly, yet the performance will make you believe you are running full ray tracing.
The MH games have always been fan favourites, so I really hope they can fix it. Apparently the current version they are working on is in a better state, so let's see how it goes at launch. Holding thumbs here.
They have 4 months to improve performance but I really don't think they're gonna pull it off Dragos Dogma 2 took like 6+ months
Badly optimised, honestly Re Engine does not look promising after Dragons Dogma 2 I could see this coming a mile away.
Same here. Dragon's Dogma 2 set the stage for the RE Engine and open-world games.
@@HonestTraveller I think they should have stuck with the modified MT Framework they used with MHW I wonder why they didn't
Luckily it’s a beta and an old build. The game comes out in 3 months so hopefully they take the feedback well.
@@ItsjustPrentiss I see this cope all the time, but by default, it means that there is a reason why they didn't put their newest most stable build out. I am sure people would have rather Capcom put out the best they have, otherwise they are just making people doubt the game, which in sales that is the last thing you want to do.
I wonder why they didn't put their best and most stable out. If this is the best they have then I am very worried about the release in february.
@@sungjin-woo3894 Yeah there is a reason the latest build isn’t fully tested yet, that’s how game development works. Devs will use older builds that are playable for their betas and to test network compatibility which is the purpose of this beta. By full release the game will be more optimized compared to this, they just confirmed it on their page not to long ago.
Theoretically it might improve before launch, but if I had a penny every time gamers convinced each other that "it's just the beta, bro" only for the final release product to be similarly broken, I'd be a millionaire... Even a $2000+ graphics card struggles to maintain 60fps at 4k for a game that really doesn't look so good that it would justify that kind of performance. I was hyped for the game, now not so much anymore.
Exactly how I feel. Sure, there's a chance it will improve, there's still a few months to go. But history repeats itself and very rarely have we seen major improvements from beta to release. I'm not holding my breath, though I really hope it is much improved.
The game is primarily cpu bottlenecked. You actually don’t need as good of a gpu as you’d think. Which is weird because they undersell the cpu in recommended specs and over sell the gpu .
i dont think i can remeber a beta that had bad performance and the launch actual fixed the performance, so im not having my hopes up especially since launch will have denuvo
@@SH1NK1R01even with a 7800x3d the performance is bad and it doesn’t utilize the full cpu power very well and that is sad. However the gpu still plays a huge part in frame rates if I compared my girlfriend 4080super vs my 3070 and we both had the 7800x3d she could run ultra settings at 120-180 fps on 1080p native while I struggled to hold 30-40 fps even on high settings.
The low power usage of the GPU usually means something is stalling the GPU pipeline.
Cyberpunk was like that at release, too!
It also could mean it's CPU bottlenecked, especially if all cores/threads are high usage
It does mean, you can increase settings without losing performance much, if GPU is still under utilized
It is 100 percent a cpu bottleneck. I have a 4080 super paired with a 7950x3d, and at 1440p on ultra settings, my fps never dipped below 90 fps (frame gen enabled, which was done really well on Nvidia gpus in this game). What leaves more to be desired is frame gen on AMD Radeon gpus (mirage artifacting around the character when moving the camera, which a few people I play with said). With Nvidia, it was a different story it was literally free fps.
its CPU bottleneck because they implement Dynamic to their games either NPC, environment, monsters, animations etc. if you already play the Beta look at the hunter's animation, it is all dynamic like when you run or even when you get hit, its not 2 or 3 baked hit animation like World did, it reacts dynamically to the monster attack and what weapon you use. also monsters has dynamic turf war now, in world it is scripted turf war. your NPC ally is also dynamic, all is dynamic. that cost CPU to calculate, thats why its bottleneck. one way to fix this is capcom has to tone down that dynamic thing, maybe some dynamic but some is scripted. f.e the hunter animations could be like World where it is all baked animation, or the turf war is scripted. that is me talking as an animator.
for comparison: my 7900 xtx nitro+ gets like 100-120 fps in that area on ultra + u can manually adjust 2 settings at least to get even more detail (high-highest) at 1440p (fsr 3 + framegen). When i activate afmf2, i get the frames doubled to 240.
Using frame gen is against Nvidias own recommendation of using it below 60fps.
It's a sad world when you need a 2000 dollar GPU to get a blurred image due to faked pixel upscaling and high input delay use to low framerate+frame gen.
But you know some people are okay with that and like to tell others its fine, to that i say, you must be a boomer with poor eyesight and bad reaction time to notice it.
I see a lot of people calling it a demo. This is not a demo, it is a Beta. Demo is for trying out a finished product. Alpha/Beta is for trying out the still in production product so developers can get an idea what needs improvement and bug fixes through their surveys. On their X social media account you can do the survey and they will give rewards when full game releases.
Yeah indeed, I do mention that it is a beta and that this is probably not final performance. I am pretty sceptical of Capcom and RE Engine in open-world games though, and I think the full version will probably have more bug fixes than actual performance improvements. Not saying there wont be any, but if Dragon's Dogma 2 is anything to go by the performance wont improve drastically. But we'll see, I'm hoping for the best.
I hope 5090 will be installed when the game launches.
yeah....ofc....but look at systems scpecs lol
Dragons dogma 2 was released 7 months ago and still hasnt been optimized, is that a beta too?
1440p over 14gb of vram allocated, same like on my 7800xt. Every new game i try its the same, some will take more than 15gb..
Which is crazy! a year ago you were lucky if it hit 10GB used at 1440p, now it seems as if even 16GB is not enough at 1440p.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews and than i spot low res. textures like in this game in base camp :)
Definitely cpu bound. I have a 14700k with a regular 4080 and 7000MT/s cl32 memory. At 1440p ultra settings with dlss quality and fg on I hit my hard cap of 158 fps (vrr cap from reflex) on my 165hz monitor consistently with very little input lag.
I was very disappointed to find out, that the 1660 Super GPU is in fact not viable as minimum requirement.
Based on what the ingame PC Specs displays for me on lowest settings, I require at least 6.11GB RAM. The 1660 Super has 6GB on paper, 5.8GB in action.
My GPU doesn't even get to talk🤣
It's served me so well until today. I am very sad. And too poor for a new GPU right now. And the next Gen GPUs may not release before MHWilds, and who knows if they will be affordable.
Man, that really sucks. I saw people with 2060 6GB GPUs post screenshots on Twitter, and it's rough. At times it just renders squares and triangles, makes it look like minecraft! And as is the case with Dragon's Dogma 2, reducing the preset doesnt help much. Let's hope they can improve VRAM management by launch,. otherwise they are going to lose a lot of players using older GPUs. People that have played the MH games from way back when, when it still ran on potatoes.
Do you guys also have almost no performance improvement when going from high to very low ?
Been playing since MH3U, I will not be giving Capcom my money unless they miraculously fix this before release in 3 months.
Really hope they fix it by then. I'll also not part with my money if it doesnt run significantly better than here.
I will.
im on a 3080 running it in1440p high settings an it runs great its my first monster hunter an im absolutely loving this game😍
Good job capcom you managed to fuck this up just like dragon dogma 2
Yeah, similar issues to DD2. At least the stuttering is a bit less here than in DD2, but the overall performance is pretty much the same unfortunately.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews I really hope they take player feedback seriously and make improvements because there's definitely a great game here. Developers need to realize that optimization is crucial for player experience and not just an option. Also, your benchmark was impressively detailed; I watch other TH-camrs like Daniel Ownens and Zworm, and your content quality is top-notch. Keep it up.
@@WoollyWalrus Thank you, those are very kind words. I actually started my channel 2 years ago and Krizzp from ZwormZ was my inspiration. I dont have his charisma or humour, but he inspires me a lot.
Bro is just a Beta
@@theunknown6412 beta these days is basically the full game performance wise. I highly doubt they can make any significant improvements in 4 months
i can't even enable the upscaling and shit because having ANY upscaling turned on turns the graphics into a black screen, fortunately the game averaged about 60 FPS during combat at 1440 high on a rx 7900xt, but there were heavy traversal stutters
I heard other people complain about AMD GPUs too, and wondering if it's a driver issue? I saw they released a beta / preview driver for this game, have you tried that one yet?
It's a beta, you can not expect AMD drivers to be good for a beta, usually even on launch AMD is still not ready to provide good drivers......
Why cry? Just get the 5090 and dump that awkwardly bad 4080 Super
That's what I'm saying!!! Why run a gpu that's already 2 years old? Get with the times and upgrade that ancient hardware
Yeah, my bad for using obsolete hardware. Thought people would be interested in me showing performance of an entry-level GPU. Guess I'll have to break embargo and just post videos with the 5090 Ti Super.
@zach1727 word. Im gaming on a mining rig so i have enough gpu power
@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Yeah, i mean its cool for those using entry level stuff but man, that 4080 super is really showing its age
@@6FootVampireelon Musk AI GPU center is barely enough 😔
On ps5 it looks like shit, how Monster Hunter World a Ps4 Game, looks way better and is 6 Years Older dont make Sense to me.
All the other stuff going on in the game maybe?
In performance mode yea in resolution I don’t think so except for image quality of course.
@@joshuadehler5039 ah yes the "stuff".
Maybe we can judge the game once it’s fully out, this is just a demo afterall. There’s still a lot of time for optimization
@@eldeuls1237 Hope so , i would like playing it, but like this its its not an Option to buy.
I get that imput lag is a problem with frame generation, but capping the fps makes the problem look a lot worse than it actually is.
Usually it should mantain the same milliseconds and double the fps:
if the game runs at 60fps 40ms at native, with frame generation should be around 120fps 40ms
Yes, but they recommend 60 fps with frame gen, meaning it's 30 fps without frame gen.
@Mostly_Positive_Reviews huh you're right. Wouldn't play it with that much imput lag. 60fps imput lag Is actually a lot better
For how demanding it is, game looks like doo doo. HFW/D, RDR2, Cyberpunk2077 all have very busy detailed worlds with lots of stuff going on and they are way less demanding that this. Dragon's Dogma 2 also had the same performance issues with rigs that ran way better looking games so it seems this is a pattern forming with Capcom and their open world games so if this beta is any indication of the release performance then I will skip out on this game as much as it pains me to say cause I love MH.
Doo doo is a very apt term to use here 🤣 Describes it nicely without being crass. I think I'm going to use it more going forward.
I don't know what's wrong, but my i9 14900k is always full load 100%. What version of windows and bios are you using?
I am using the BIOS version from June, and Windows 24H2. Is your performance suffering as well, or is it just 100% utilized? Are your e-cores and HT enabled too?
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews All turned on, undervolted, everything normal, only when playing games, CPU is usually full load 100%, performance is still ok
My 13700k only 50%
Is unreal 5 Engine worst than RE or its a licensing thing?
Fps must be (uncapped) and you need a min of 60fps to start using frame generation (60fps = frame generation 120fps) only way it can be used. You will also need a faster CPU to push more frames using resolution scaling.
Also disable E-cores and use the P-Core on intel.
Yeah indeed, but the system requirements show a 4060 with frame gen reaching 60 fps, and I wanted to show what the input latency would be like if you got 60 fps with frame gen.
One of the things that is becoming more and more noticeable as time goes on is that we have reached a point of exponential inversion of graphical improvement. The improvements made to this game are in fact a big leap compared to world. But it’s not easily perceived to the eye. It’s mostly things like hair physics, sway on foliage, larger field, multiple ai controlled monsters roaming around. But the player can only see what’s on screen and it’s not under a microscope to it seems barely any different. Add on the fact that the improvements are super taxing and expensive and it leads to this happening so often now.
Game looks barely better to most people but runs worse because now the graphical improvements are extremely taxing and don’t change the front facing image as much. This will get worse before it’s gets better. At least as long as the casual consumer continues to thirst for only the finest graphics. Companies keep chasing the moving target and it’s getting impossible to handle.
That's a good point
No, we haven't. This game looks last gen.
Unacceptable. They will continue to do this if people dont stand up and call them out fo this BS
Fully agreed. Unfortunately I think the people who care about these performance issues are in the minority.
Hope they somehow fix this performance, its unaccaptable.
Yeah, same here. Wont be playing if this performance persists.
why are you only running in camp, not a good idea of framerate because it usually chugs in base for some reason, did you try running these tests out in the field against monsters and during heavy weather effects?
Yes, I did go outside in the video...
Either fight like hell to get 60fps capped or nake it a blurry mess to have 60 lol
🤣🤣🤣
True and disappointing!
thats actually as intensive as using path tracing in cyberpunk,alan wake2!!
Dragon Age Veilguard with Ultra Ray Tracing, Native runs better while looking significantly better too. The RE Engine is just not cut out for open-world games.
4080 gets 10-15 fps at 4k native maxed out with path tracing in those games from what I have seen in the tests zwormz gaming did.
@@dhaumya23gango75 i meant after using dlssq+fg on 1440p,i dont care about 4k.
I know this is beta. But I'm so annoyed that I can't even pass the tittle screen because of that crash report with my 4070s lmao.
I think this beta put more people off than entice people to play the game at release.
😮, how much fps do you think i will get with my rx 6800gpu, ryzen 5 7600 cpu?
target resolution? did you play it how did it go?
@@pcgameshardware867 haven't played yet, my target resolution is 1440p
@@pockether fsq quality+ frame gen high nothing else high/med mix you should do ok I played it with an RX 5700 8gb
@@pcgameshardware867 good to know, ty
@@pockether right on
Those graphics look last gen yet the card can't keep 120 fps. Wow.
Guy its nice you test all out but perhaps you read before some tests. IN MH games you can turn off some things in grafic settings - like volumetric fog = low, motionblur cost about 12% of gpu usage = set it off; vignette function = off and Bloom = off/Low. Ultra setting is never worth - never! I have 4080 and 7800X3D in WQHD and i got just with these settings out much better results. You just need to test and read some decriptions ingame.
Optimized settings have never been the focus of this channel. I have always tested presets from Highest to Lowest in all my videos. It is only to give people an idea of what the performance is like, and I often say that personalized or optimized settings are the way to go.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews ok.
@@Der_wahre_C17Hello, how many fps you get using optimized setting? is it 60 fps without dlss?
@@smyphiro5645 I played with preset "High" and textures at maximum. Yes 60+ native and with DLSS up to 90+. With FG up to 140.
@@Der_wahre_C17 thank you
use lossless scaling....feel smoothly after all
It isn't the 4080 super i have one as well but mine is paired with a 7950x3d and with frame gen on, 1440p, all ultra settings I got 120 fps and the lowest it would drop was to 90fps. It dropped to 90 if i was playing with my brother, who mains bow(a lot of pixel effects and you can also turn this off seeing other players' weapon effects in settings). 14600KF isn't a good pair with a high-end gpu.
Jesus that performance is a far cry from when these games ran on the PSP, 3DS, and Switch 😂
They are excluding a lot of players here if this is going to be final performance for sure. People are used to playing these on era-appropriate low-to-mid-range hardware. Now all of a sudden you need a 4080 to hit 60 fps without frame gen. Not ideal 🤣
Why do you write DLAA on screen when your setting is "quality" in the menu ?
Timestamp?
I see, the first section where I test the input latency. I'll pin a comment. Just a typo. It doesnt affect the performance at all in that section though as the framerate is locked to 60 fps.
This game slapped me with potato looking monsters to match my potato pc :(
I've seen a few screenshots online and I thought it was pretty funny 🤣 Annoying and frustrating for sure, sorry it haplened to you 😔
needing 1k-2k gpus to have 60fps with upscaling, terrible, i get to play around 40-50 fps
It really is insane. I am barely able to maintain 60 fps at 1440p with a 4080 Super. A 4070, which is still a GREAT GPU today will not hit that without frame gen even. What GPU do you have?
less would have been soo much more sad the performace will kill the game for me
Capcom falling back t there old selves, minimum effort ports, the game that saved there studio may ruin it its rep =_=
Let's see what happens at launch, but I am pretty sure we'll see bug fixes and very little improvement in terms of performance.
Were getting to the point where a $3000 pc can barely run new games.
What a frikkin nightmare.
And that's the point I wanted to get across without using those exact words. Imagine people with decent older systems, like a 3700X + 6700XT. They'd be used to be able to play pretty much anything at 1080p or 1440p with upscaling. A friend tested the 3700X with a 7900XTX and it wouldnt reach 60 fps with frame gen. That's unacceptable.
14600k bottlenecks the 4080 at 1440p
Console is cooked
I saw screenshots of the Xbox Series X and at times you can count the pixel on stuff like glasses etc haha! It drops to 540p quite a lot.
RTX 4090 or Bust.
Already sent my obsolete 4080 Super back.
i hope people cancel their preorder...
Betas and demos are supposed to lure people in, but lately its been having the opposite effect on me. Hopefully people let their wallets do the talking here, otherwise this will just continue.
Its sad to see that i cant play this game with a i5 12600k and a rtx 3060ti at 1440p. It just looked awfull. It a step back to Worlds.. which is like 6 Years old by now? Idk remember when it came out, but worlds looks to me better and works much better than wilds. I am not willing to pay 2k+€ for this game for a new PC.
Yeah, that is horrible. The 12600K is still a very decent CPU, but it's being brought to its knees here in this game. And for no good reason either!
Game is insanely fun, only problem is the performance is straight ass. There's no reason this game is running worse than Cyberpunk with path tracing enabled while looking worse. CDPR really did a great job with their DLSS and Frame Gen implementation because I could actually play the game with those enabled. In Wilds the differences are negligible. I use a 4090 with a 5900x on 1440p superwide (32:9). avg frames with DLSS ultra and frame gen enabled + all settings maxed is around 105-120 depending on the area. Performance is noticeably worse as it drops to around 95fps during the sandstorm but thats to be expected with all the extra visual efx happening around.
That's really my only issue. This and Dragon's Dogma 2 are fun as hell, but the performance even on high-end hardware is really rough.
CDPR and Cyberpunk will be the benchmark for an open-world game that looks and runs great for a while to come. Not to say Cyberpunk isnt demanding, it is, but its settings scale very well. And as you said, DLSS and FG are very well implemented in CP, so it runs well while still looking great when those are used.
70 FPS at 4k ultra on a 4080 with DLSS quality is poor, but not horrible.
I'm curious to see if a 4070 is capable of 60FPS+,(no FG) at 1440p and and a 4060 does 60FPS (no fg) at 1080p
Considering that at 1400p we are dropping to 63 fps at times with the 4080 Super I highly doubt it. The presets make very little difference too, so a 4070 would probably need frame gen to hit 60 fps at 1440p. The 4060 is listed in the recommended specs as 1080p Medium, DLSS Quality with Frame Gen to hit 60 fps.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews
Requiring framegen to hit 60 FPS at on a 4060 at 1080p is a problem for me.
I like one percent lows above 50 FPS before I enable framegen and if presets don't matter, I'm not going to get there.
Thanks for the testing - given the system requirements, I doubt that things will get significantly better by launch
the game looks so fking ugly to me, everything looks washed out
Yeah, if you dont look at the UI I wouldnt blame you for thinking this is Dragon's Dogma 2, it had the exact same look.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews it's the engine dragons dogma 2 resident evil village etc it has that unique look
@@pcgameshardware867 Correct. UE4 also had a very distinctive look, and the same applies to RE Engine as well. Though it does help that at least the armor etc are quite colorful here, so there is at least a bit of contrast.
For DD2 I used RTX Vibrance and it helped quite a bit with the "dull" look.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews personally the ui has taken a huge step back too, looks like generic final fantasy esque design while abandoning almost all design elements that actually gave mh a visual identity of its own. I am always bewildered why we cant have the classic clock, hp bars or item bars back, seriously. The new healthbar is SO visually distracting and confusing for literally NO REASON, and im not a fan of the weird red pulse warning of a big attack as if the team couldnt be bothered to put in actual creative telegraphs for giant attacks like sound design (also critically underwhelming in wilds) or monster movement. Sorry for the rant, just havent heard many people even consider that fact. At this point, id even prefer the ridiculously slow emptying healthbars from the ps2 era games and freedom unite/frontier
@@tapwaterandhairstraightenersyea the UI needs work definitely
What is this unoptimized garbage
4k@80 with fg and dlss.....im fine with that
Did you get your gpu from NASA?
A game like this that requires a $1000 graphics card and still has trouble running is a disgrace.... very bad optimization and very bad graphic engine
Let’s be honest. Even with a low grade gpu it’s still playable. You just won’t get 60fps. This game ranges around 45-57 at most. You will still have fun regardless
Potato graphics looks worse than monster hunter world. Contender for flop game of the year probably.
The sad thing is the majority of people dont care about the technical stuff, and the game sitting at 400K users on Steam probably means it's going to perform very well in terms of sales come launch :( Let's hope it looks and runs better then, but I highly doubt it.
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews this is the august game build if u look at the last gameplay they have done in the forest looks so much better
what the hell
@@vonix9199 what
@@jimincos I meant the other guy.
I don't see this being a flop at all. Also don't know which game I'm playing but it looks a thousand times better than world
I'm sorry, this game looks like PS3 game
Every game should just use the decima engine🤣
For sure! You laugh but I wouldnt mind ;)
I’m running the game 2k ultrawide and no issues here. Getting 120+ fps ultra preset. i9 13900k & 4090FE
And I'm going fast on my lamborghini Sport car, no issues here either.
@@gameburrito2502 haha
🤣🤣🤣
@tsunami6253 that is with frame generation as well, correct?
@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews so I just tried it out. Without frame generation averaging 68-80fps. With 120+
Abyssmal. I can't play with my friends. Its soooooooooo poorly optimised
That really sucks, sorry to hear. Is it due to the game being too demanding for the hardware? What are your specs if I may ask?
it's unacceptable. i refuse to care about this game until they care about us enjoying the game *day one*
or else, don't put the fucking thing out hahaha
100%, I wont be buying. I'll wait a few days after launch and see what the performance is like before spending any money on this game. If it's close to the performance here I'll just skip it entirely.