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Hey, good question. So firstly, when taking the average between the 6900 XT and the 7900 GRE in many games, the difference is about 7%, according to TechPowerup database. Same games will see a bigger difference, but others wont. But the main reason why a more powerful GPU wont necessarily give you more frames per second that another is due to a CPU bottleneck. Going to talk hypothetically here, not exact numbers, just to explain. Say a 6900XT can do 100 fps in a game at 1080p, and a 7900XTX can do 150 fps in the same game at 1080p, but your CPU can only do 120 fps, you will only get 120 fps. If the CPU can do 120 fps and the GPU 100 fps, you'll only get 100 fps, as the GPU becomes the limiting factor. CPU performance doesnt care about resolution as it doesnt need to render the frames, only calculate and prepare them for the GPU to render. Now say you have a CPU that can only do 80 fps in a certain game, the 6900XT can still do 100 fps, and the 7900XTX can still do 150 fps, you will only see 80 fps with both GPUs, as the CPU just cant prepare the frames fast enough, so the GPU waits on the CPU, and that is what we call a CPU bind, or CPU bottleneck. When a CPU can do 200 fps and a GPU only 100 fps, the CPU waits on the GPU, and that is what we call a GPU bind, or GPU bottleneck. That changes with resolution as the GPU takes longer to render the frames. The CPU can still theoretically do 80 fps at 4K, but now the 6900XT can only do 40, and the 7900 XTX can do 60, so then in that scenario the 7900XTX wil be 50% faster than the 6900XT as your final output will be 60 fps. Purely hypothetical numbers, but that's what it comes down to. Hope that makes sense?

I tend to agree here. Lots of misplaced anger at times 🤣

100% agreed. Good graphics can make a good game better, but it cant make a bad game good.

Yeah, performance for this type of game is kinda unacceptable. Throw in the rubberbanding issues and it's a no-go. I get that it's early access, but you pay real money for a game that's often unplayable. And many other early access games work perfectly fine for the most part.

I think I understand where you are coming from. Without tweaking the game's .ini files the visuals can definitely look "average". Once the chromatic aberration and motion blur is non-existent the game starts to look pretty decent, but what stood out for me more was the character models. We've seen better lighting, better waves, and nanite have been used in many games, so the only thing that stood out to me over other games was the character models, so I definitely know where you are coming from!

Appreciate the comment and honesty! I was mostly speaking about personal preference, and I absolutely hear what you are saying. And that's the awesome thing about PCs, there's a setting for everyone. I usually do say "to me, personally" when I make statements like that, and that people should use what they prefer, and in this video I didnt, but I think it's good that I do in future. I generally play at 1440p Balanced with a 4070 Super in most games, and dont have issues with visual quality using those settings at all. I was more referring to this game specifically where the fps bump going from quality to balanced can be a bit mixed results, depending on the rest of the settings. But I absolutely agree with you, I shouldve worded it better. Appreciate the constructive criticism 👍

Oh, no, I did not mean it as a criticism in the slightest and definitely did not mean it in any negative way. I just expressed my personal opinion to start a good conversation. I totally got that it is your personal opinion from watching the video and I respect it. We can have different preferences and opinions and that is totally fine. We can still have fun conversations about PC gaming regardless! Keep doing what you are doing! As I said I love the content!

@@deyandimitrov7287 Hehe, no worries, I didnt take it as negative at all, just maybe something I should have mentioned in case there's any misunderstanding. It's very rare for people to voice a disagreement without being a jerk, so I welcome what you said, how you said it, and it's great that we can actually talk about stuff like this. These types of comments and discussions help me stay motivated and make more content, honestly. So just to clarify, I didnt take any negativity from your comment at all, just a person who has different preferences to mine that wants to have a discussion about it, and I appreciate that, because, as I said, this is not usually how these conversations go ;) I only clarified as I didnt want to come across as trying to force my preferences on others, which is the last thing I want to do. I dont ever want to be referred to as an "influencer" haha!

@Mostly_Positive_Reviews I definitely did not get the feel you are forcing your opinion or preference and I’m sure neither of the other people that watched the video. I think you are pretty genuine and cool in the way you express yourself and your videos are very informative and helpful. Cheers!

Okay cool, glad it didnt come across as such. Hope you have an awesome day, cheers!

Yeah for sure, if you overclock this GPU you can for sure gain a few more fps, and even get a stable 60 fps indeed.

You're welcome!

This isnt an app, it's a Windows setting. I just used Cyberpunk 2077 to show the toggle becoming available.

The motion fluidity is definitely much improved when using a high refresh rate monitor, so it definitely looks a lot smoother.

Yeah, I have also had good results using lossless scaling, especially in games as you mentioned.

Hmm, 85-87C is on the high end, and might lead to thermal throttling. Is this on your CPU or GPU? GPU will definitely throttle at those temps as it starts to throttle at 84C core temp. CPU is fine until 100C, but you obviously want to keep below 100C. If you are using the stock cooler with your 12400F then yes, I have also seen it go up to the high 80's, if you can keep it below 100C you shouldnt lose performance. This video was done before Phantom Liberty DLC, and the DLC did bump up the requirements slightly, so it would make sense why you are getting about 10 fps lower than in this video. Dogtown itself is also more demanding than many other areas found in the base game. Those custom settings seem like a good trade-off between performance and visuals, so if you are happy with the framerate at that point I say by all means, go for it!

And that's the awesome thing indeed, there are settings to cater to anyone. Perfectly understandable why you would prefer FG off. I am a big advocate of FG, but even so I fully understand why people would choose not to use it 👍

Agree fully 👍

This is an object culling / occlusion issue in the game itself unfortunately. It happens when doorways are also blocked by a pillar and suddenly become visible. Same happens sometimes in the fields, but not as bad, but it manifests itself as bad flicker in this scenario

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Damn it doesn't seem to be present on the PS4 version too, when I tested going to the same locations after noticing it on PC. So would you say this is unlikely unfixable?

@@dmaxwell910901 I think it is fixable, Alex from DF also spoke about this. The question would rather be would they fix it ;)

It is definitely sharper, but not "sharpness filter" sharper, just more crisp. That said, I have seen quite a few games where using DLDSR with DLSS causes framerate and frame pacing issues. Ratchet and Clank in particular in my testing ran terrible with that combination. I say give it a shot, and if you are having performance issues then just use either / or, instead of both.

I had a 6800XT Red Devil and MSI Gaming X Trio 3080, and the 6800 XT was faster while also using less power, but FSR pushed me towards the 3080. Hopefully they can improve as much as they claim with FSR 3.1 👍

Hahahaha! You are welcome! And yes, I am South African indeed. That easy to tell?

@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Yeah, I'm South African too. It's so surreal and cool to see a popular channel by a SA guy.

Appreciate it man, means a lot. Not that popular, but trying to work on it 👍

What is your final framerate output while using frame generation? If it is anything below say 90-100 fps you'll definitely be able to tell there is a difference in input latency. Do you have reflex enabled? What you can do is install Nvidia Geforce Experience (it comes packaged with the drivers), and just open it up once, log in, and then during gameplay press Alt+R. That will bring up basic metrics but will also show you latency. Test the difference between on and off, but it should be around 10-15ms increase at most. Another thing to check is to make sure you arent limiting your framerate to 60 or something by using v-sync or another frame rate limiter.

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews yes, I was limiting it to 60, that's it then, I use v sinc. As I had never used frame generation, I was using it in this one just to maintain the 60 fps I'm used to.

Ah okay, unfortunately frame gen works very poorly when the final output is 60 fps. You actual input latency will be slower than it would be if the game was running at 30 fps at that point as every second frame is generated, with a slight delay added. FG's best use case is on high refresh rate monitors where you can use vsync with 120hz or higher.

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Thanks for the explanation.

Really appreciate the comment and sub, thank you very much 🥳

Yeah, I used to own a 9700K + 3070 system and it was almost always CPU bound at 1080p. The 12400F does a decent job, but it still falls short at 1080p in some games, but it doesnt feel right running a 13900K + RTX 2080 Ti for 1080p gaming 🤣 So I agree, even though it is slightly CPU bottlenecked, it's still a great experience, and will still be viable for 1080p gaming for a while. Heavier games will just use more GPU resources, meaning the headroom will shrink as it will take something very graphically heavy for the 2080 Ti to become the bottleneck at 1080p when paired with a 2700X. All in all it's still a great GPU today, even for 1440p gaming, but I agree with your sentiment that it will last a while still at 1080p.

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Yes, the 13900k seems like an overkill 😀 For my system i have one more upgrade in mind, and that is the Ryzen 7 5800x on the cpu front, instead of the 2700x. The whole system would benefit from that, the system memory would clock higher (3200mhz ram is stuck at 2833 on the 2700x (thanks memory controller 😂)) , the GPU would have additional support, plus it's still AM4 so i'm good with my old mobo. I also thought about the R7 5800x3d, but I think that would fry the VRMs on my pretty mediocre mobo pretty fast 😅

Yeah, that's the awesome thing about still running on an older AM4 CPU, there's plenty of drop-in upgrade options. I actually think a 5800X3D should fare better than a 5800X due to lower power and clock speeds? I used to have a 5800X and it was a damn imoressive chip, especially with PBO2!

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Yes, i thought so myself, and it really is the same ballpark if i look at the prices (with far superior stats on the X3d), but the question is if an old Prime b450plus mobo can hold up 😬 i think it's kind of sketchy, even if its officially supported. Those werent the best boards ever made 😅

@@ThePeca1988 Yeah, the prime boards dont look very convincing from looking at it. I have one for my Ryzen 5 5600 non-X system. Not sure if you watch Hardware Unboxed? The did a lot of motherboard testing, maybe there is a 5800X3D B450 Prime combo somewhere? Let me see if I can find something.

I didnt do anything 🤣🤣 Check if you can change between fullscreen / windowed mode etc. Some modes take your desktop resolution and you cant change it.

You mean overpowered? If your GPU is underpowered you'll be GPU limited and then this will make very little difference. But even when fully GPU bound it can improve lows / reduce stuttering.

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Best way to reduce lows/stuttering is have a robust enough GPU that you can cap the FPS at a solid/quality level for that resolution, so the GPU only uses about 75% or less of its capacity & has resources to spare for any other tasks/loads that may suddenly come up. Also keeps the GPU running cooler with less component stress & less watts/power required (so less PSU stress also). No need for FPS past a certain threshold anyway unless it is for professional bench-marking competitions or simple bragging rights.

Yeah 100%. If you have headroom it's a great idea to cap your framerate. I actually have a video on that as well, capping using MSI afterburner. Some stutters you just cant brute force, but a lot of microstutter can be smoothed out. Also, the frametime graph with a framerate cap is something to behold if your GPU is hovering around 70% usage.

wrong, i turned this off with a pretty high end system and it helped bring frames even higher.

@@whitebeltbjj3739 I didn't say it wouldn't increase FPS - I'm saying that it doesn't matter if your GPU/system is already capable of delivering a quality FPS & play experience without it.

Yeah, FSR upscaling + frame gen can more than double your framerate under the right conditions.

There is absolutely no way you are getting almost double the performance at the exact same settings. You are claiming RTX 4070 levels of performance with a 7600, and that's impossible. You are using an Adrenaline profile that's using super resolution, or your resolution and settings dont match mine. There are plenty RX 7600 videos on TH-cam for this game, and my results match those very closely. Here is the 4060: th-cam.com/video/3AyKvI23VGw/w-d-xo.html Here is another RX 7600: th-cam.com/video/KVKoeE6c3vI/w-d-xo.html Here is a 4070: th-cam.com/video/uxy6KgpV3JY/w-d-xo.html

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews give me an e mail to send u screenshots

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews sorry my mistake thought was horizon zero down

Okay, that makes more sense 👍

What CPU do you have? If FSR isnt helping you might be heavily CPU limited.

Not as fantastic as this comment! Really appreciate it. In a world where majority comments are negative, this one means a lot. Thank you!

Are you maybe running into thermal limits? What's your GPU and CPU temps?