@@LibrarianOfLeng that's easy, if they were pinpoint accurate, you wouldn't be able to dodge it... also it was very powerful at one point but From nerfed them
@@LibrarianOfLeng My assumption is that the butterflies aren't really meant to hit you, they're just there to instill the fear of being hit. If they were actually good at their job, sniping you from a mile away while an aggressive metal one-piece is bearing down on you with an axe roughly the size of your entire body, the fight would be unbearable.
@@L33PL4Y They do! If you wait a bit when the boss is low hp you'll see it. Its part of the phase 2 mechanic of the fight but dragonslayer armour is usually dead before you see it
@@L33PL4Y yup thats thei primary attack. Like i said the laser is a rare attack that has a huge windup. You'd only see it if you spent a lot of time in the second phase of the fight. Check out bonfireVNs video at 2:10 ish th-cam.com/video/xTA_ojaJsCM/w-d-xo.html
Pausing at 1:41, you can see the Angel Larvae bursting THROUGH the stone on the back, implying that this has to happen in order for the Pilgrim to become an Angel. This implies to me that if the Angel Larvae isn't strong enough to burst through the stone, it explodes out backwards instead, through the ribcage. This creates a Pilgrim Butterfly instead. The stones could be a rite of passage for the Angel itself, and the Pilgrims are compelled to wear them for this reason.
The whole series is partly about the existential threat of the curse, ie, losing yourself and becoming hollow, but also about how no matter how much power and status one attains it remains a fundamental part of your being. "Mark my words Ashen One, you remain among the accursed," that sort of thing. The pilgrims are hollow but retain their intelligence (bear in mind this is just my interpretation) because they've embraced this truth and cast their identities and worldly attachments aside. Yoel was "once a sorcerer," and the pilgrim in the Dreg Heap "was once the wet nurse of royalty," but those earthly roles have ceased to define them. Their only goal is to die and be reborn, so they both embody and transcend the vicious cycle that defines the Souls gameplay loop and it's overarching themes. Honestly I think the hubris of placing yourself above all the "worthless, faceless undead" that are actually your fellow man is adequately rubbed in when an Angel that spawned from a lowly hollow disintegrates you with its lasers.
Hollows in my opinion are those who have lost their purpose in life - That's why when NPCs survive their questlines and can't fulfill their duties/lose hope that they might ever be able to fulfill their purpose, or lose their closest friends, end up being hollows you can find and kill in the world. We can imagine that if we abandoned our undead character for good on their quest, they would eventually become exactly like them, because we lost the will to go on with our duty.
"Wet nurse of royalty," you say? Now, I don't actually believe that Dark Souls and Bloodborne share a setting or anything, but I also can't leave that obviously-coincidental detail alone...
@@MonoFlax That's a neat idea......maybe put a timer on each player character that only counts down when not playing. When next you log on with that character they start hollowed based on how long it's been. But if it's been too long the character is deleted and a Hollow with it's exact stats and load out is waiting for the next character you make that reaches the last bonfire it was resting at.
As much fun as the speculative nature of Dark Souls can be, this is one of those case where I wish things were spelled out more. The whole concept of angels in Ds3 is woefully underutilized.
100% this. Rather than wrapping up and providing conclusive lore to any number of the open ended questions introduced in DS3, The Ringed City DLC gave us some half baked new open ended questions to dwell on like the angels and weird time fuckery that happens at the end.
According to a dev stating cut content and story changes, Kaathe was originally going to descend from the sky and speak to the player right as they reached the Lothric Twins' gate to their boss room, with angel wings (he never specified Pilgrim Butterly wings or Pilgrim Angel wings, tho). It was originally going to be revealed that Kaathe manipulated Gertrude into causing Lothric's collapse by being the "angel" that she saw, and he would inform the player of the Lord of Hollows ending, albeit this was ultimately cut with this role given to Yuria.
I love and hate those angels. They look amazing and terrifying at the same time, but godamn they are annoying. Shoutout to the sweet Stone-Humped Hag that (in theory) became one and didn't laser me back to the bonfire.
IIRC she becomes the only non-hostile one; you go back to collect her ashes and there's a new angel flying around, but it won't attack you. It is odd there's no associated larva for it, but I assumed it must be her because her memories of you are the only reason I can think why that one wouldn't bust out the light spears on sight like the rest.
@@Ferromancer86 I assume it's her as well, but always thought it was weird that she didn't become one of the weird larvae after "evolving". Probably so we can't hurt her, IIRC she can't be hit due to the distance, I could be wrong though.
The pilgrims are one of several aspects of DSIII that don't feel... finished. They're apparently important enough to be featured in the opening cinematic, but in-game... to call their presence "understated" is an "understatement", hueh. Not that I wanted them to be the centerpiece of the story or anything, but I'm still not 100% sure what they even... are. I don't need to know everything about them, in fact I don't want to, that's not how Dark Souls lore goes, but usually I at least have a grasp on the basic concept. Like, I was under the impression that they WANTED to transform until now, and even now I remain unconvinced of the contrary since I can find hardly anything to confirm what's being said here. I still don't get what their pilgrimage entails or anything of the sort, and that lack of info doesn't feel intentional. As if they were supposed to have a bigger role (as implied by their unused animations) but that was cut. The pus of man is another example of this sort of thing. At first you're led to believe that this'll be an important plot element, because the first boss you fight exhibits this theme and some early enemies do too, and then it largely vanishes and is never explained beyond basic fan speculation. In that particular case I don't mind because I find them to be rather silly, but as for the pilgrims I love their design and some of their implications. I wish they were more fleshed out. Again, in that Dark Souls way where "fleshed out" mostly means "gives you just enough answers to get you asking more questions".
Puss of Man is Abyss corruption-experiment, this also suggest your existance as failed test subject that didn't fail. This goes with story of you being occelote. With Pilgrims l'm not sure for what their pilgrimage is for. But big role of them is so you can take 5 free levels and get hollowing for certain ending. That suggest those creatures are from Londor.
I'm pretty sure the Pilgrims are from Londor and their pilgrimage is an attempt to convince Lothric to go full hollow and become the new Lord of Hollows aka the next Dark Lord.
Pilgrims definitely wanted an end to the age of fire, they probably made their way to lothric to beg prince Lothric not to link the flame. This would also explain why as pilgrim butterflies they help guard the bridge to the archives along with DSA. I forget if they have a link to pontiff. As for pus of man tho I have no idea, really unfinished imo was def supposed to have a bigger role before they scrapped the original story
I really like the theory of the main character being Ocelotte, it makes some sense because if Oceiros’ experiments ended up killing Ocelotte the body would be dumped unceremoniously in the intended graves and left to become Unkindled Ash. About the Pilgrims, I think they certainly could have roots in Londor. It just occurred to me that maybe the Pilgrims are manifestations of the rot caused by the The First Sin and the kindling of the First Flame, in the same way the Unkindled Ash arose from the fallen Undead who failed at kindling the fire. With the Pilgrims fearing metamorphosis and their impending transformation, they yearn for death because it ceases their need to exist in The Age of Fir. They’re afraid of the potentialities of that transformation because they know it’s not natural. So they work in hopes of ushering in the Age of Man by guiding the Lord of Hollows, in Yoel’s case at least, because the Pilgrims are driven by the natural cycle of the world that has been halted and warped by Gwyn’s fear of death and losing his kingdom. Similarly, the Ashen One is driven by the unnatural force yearning for powerful souls in order to rekindle the fire…until they meet Old Yoel that is
The Pilgrims are indeed from Londor. If you follow the Lord of Hollows path, it is a Pilgrim that subdues Anri. Yoel is from Londor as well. I am not 100% sure why they make a Pilgrimage to Lothric, I can only assume it to protect him as long as he isn't linking the fire as well as to possibly convince him to become the Lord of Hollows. The reason I think they want to die has everything to do with transformation. If they live and experience transformation, it will be violent and painful and they will become pilgrim butterflies. However, if they "die" eventually they will become the "angel" things of the dreg heap. The puss of man, first big difference between the folks dealing with this and the pilgrims. Pilgrims got a big rock on their back holding in the darkness. Puss of Man's darkness is just busted out of their back and growing over them. When the Darkness emerges suddenly without ever having been forcefully restrained it seems to take on draconic qualities, this is like, counter what some may say, the more natural course. The Pilgrims hold that darkness in and that seems to have an effect on them. Compared to puss of man hollows, Pilgrims are literally darker, with dark iron skin tone. This extra "cooking" probably the difference between something trying to be a dragon and something trying to be a bug, I mean angel.
The way I see it Angels (which include locusts, butterflies, Corvians and those strange giant flies born from the rotten humanity's blood from Ariandel's painting) are basically Demons but for the Dark instead of fire. Even the name technically gives it away, despite their origins being swapped (Demons come from life and light, Angels come from death and darkness). The Abyss is the opposite of Chaos, which are both a failed attempts to control their respective force (Dark and fire). And both are a seedbed for life, albeit Chaos is more predatory while the Abyss seems to create almost opportunistic and parasitic life. Both Chaos and the Abyss take the form of a liquid (lava for chaos, stagnating water or even the deep for the abyss). However, Demons seem to work more or less like mutations, and the Chaos almost like radiation. Angels seem to be an infestation of overgrown darkness created by the person's humanity. In my opinion, the only reason Lothric started worshipping angels was out of their culture, steeming from both Dragon Worshipping (wings) and the Anor Londo's gods (golden-hued magic). Londor's pilgrims, if they really come from the future, might have known this and have used that as a chance to conquer Lothric, maybe for the whole "Age of the Deep", so they are trying to find the tallest point in the world to survive. Also, if the deep is linked to the abyss and the dark, and it's basically going to flood the world of Dark Souls, it makes sense that creatures of the Dark would evolve as winged insect-like humanoids since the world would probably be a giant stagnating ocean, and insects prosper in stagnating waters. Also, I think the grubs and the whole covenant of Rosaria, being set in the Cathedral of the Deep, seems to stem from this: they want to push humans to evolve into angels through rebirth, however by being an artificial "Angelification" they are just reborn as larvas. basically they wasted their "privilege" to become angels by being to scared of the incoming end of the world and taking a shortcut through Rosaria.
I was sceptical when reading the beginning of your comment, but pretty much all you said does make sense to me. There definitely is a resemblance to be found between the Angels/Butterflies, the Locusts and the Corvians. e. Although I'm not that sure if the demons and your group of angel-beings are all that dissimilar in the end - one group is just connected with a fire aesthetic, and the other one with dark or black colors?
It makes a lot of sense, the first ''angel'' we saw in the series was probably the DarkLurker, who even sunk in a primitive abyss still had his ''pure and white'' soul, and yet he extracted and invoked his power from the Dark Sign, the curse itself
Eh I hate to be that guy but I'm fairly certain chaos and dregs have nothing to do with. Considering they're pilgrims of Londor that can hollow the player, it's clearly all tied to humanity. They are simply the visual representation of the new age affecting religious beings who interpret the age in a specific (but pitiful) way. They represent religion.
@@StudioMod I meant as a counterpart, not similar as in the same species. just a way to show Fire and Dark work similarly and that the Dark isn't inherently evil, just as fire isn't inherently good. they are similar forces born from similar situations from two opposite concepts.
I feel like when we happen upon them in the Dreg Heap they aren’t even done with their metamorphosis yet. As the Londor growers are referred to as pupa in the artbook probably waiting for the Age of Man/Dark to be in full effect.
@@MisterBlackroad My personal theory is that Darklurker is the closest thing to humanity's "true form" Gwyn's seal of fire stripped away that we see in the series.
I wonder how that existential dread feels, knowing you're gonna transform into something else and not being able to do anything about it... It's like having a terminal illness, but without the sweet release of death at the end, just the eternal continuation of your painful existence as another dreadful life form.
@@drasticgray I know The Shadow Over Innsmouth, I'd still argue the Pilgrims have it worse, at least with Deep Ones you can kill yourself at any point if you really can't bear it any more, whether that's before or after the transformation.
LORE TIME: I find very interesting the description of the cleric robe: "They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness." It's the same thing the Pilgrims do. What they are referring to as seedbeds for spreading darkness is probably the Pus Of Men, those dark blobs that come out from hollows in Lothric. That's what Pilgrims are actually trying to avoid. Covering their back is probably a ritual used to suppress the corruption of the Dark that sometimes manifests sprouting out of the back. Also the Pilgrimage they're doing is meant to prove their faith, so they can successfully suppress the Abyss inside of them. Faith as a means to suppress the Dark I think is a theme in Dark Souls 3. For example: Lord Wolnir and his bracelets, Filianore sealing away the Dark Soul, the pilgrims...
@@AlessioTerzi3 I wish we could have seen a cleric with a broken/removed shell at some point in the Ringed City, perhaps in the abyssal swamp. I feel like the Pus of Man would have been fitting for that area.
I think that's kinda the purpose of the big rocks on their backs. I read in another comment that the flavor text for the cleric set states that clerics would wear large covers on their backs in order to deter the creation of another seedbed for darkness. (or the abyss/deep) Which is why those spinning turtle clerics in the RInged City have those giant rocks on their backs, because they were actually trying to prevent the spread of the roots that you find on the enemies of the Ringed City, like the overgrown lothric knights and the big headless knights. If we assume that this practice spread to the pilgrims it would make sense why they turn into these weird tree looking things, because they became a seedbed for the abyss just like the Pontiff and other Ringed CIty enemies did. It also makes sense when you consider that the Pontiff's in game model was supposed to be the final boss during early development, and a lot of the Ringed City's enemies have the exact same root/tree motifs because they were supposed to be descendants of those corrupted by the abyss. (Which is why the RInged Knights have darksigns on their armor, to prevent more of their humanity from leaking out of their bodies and turning into something like the Pus of Man or Iudex Gundyr) Ultimately it all stems from abyssal corruption, and it explains why so many enemies have weird tendrils/roots sticking out of them, and why the Locust Preachers try to convince you to spread the abyss.
Here's something neat: the shell backpack is similar to the one worn in the Cleric set. Based on its item description, it could be what the pilgrims once looked like. "Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes. It is said that the blue-robed travelers were entrusted with a duty. They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness."
The outfit even looks similar, with skirt-like leggings and a cloth over the shoulders. We also encounter hollow clerics in the DLC who look like they are halfway in-between. Therefore, the full evolutionary line is: Cleric -> Hollow Cleric -> Pilgrim And then two mega evolutions, Pilgrim Butterfly X and Pilgrim Butterfly Y
@@addictedtoRS I've always seen the evolution of the undead in the serie as uman > marked > first death > reversed death > various level of mind degradation > unreversable hollow > hollow warrior > desperate hollow > still with things like seth experiment happening after the hollow is unreversable, and the will of the individual and their identity gettim more and more erased with each death and failure
@@ENCHANTMEN_ My comment got deleted for some reason so I'll retype it. There are also undead clerics without the shell, that instead grow dark crystals from their back.
Since the Cleric set also has a shell-like structure on the back (albeit made of cloth) that is supposed to "ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness." are the Pilgrims the eventual result of the Blue Clerics?
I would feel bad for them if I hadn't played The Ringed City on release day and experienced the pre-nerf angels. They deserve everything that's coming to them
I think the larvae form "that control the angel" is not their "good" side of the evolution. The true form is what the Pilgrim woman at the dreg heap entrance become: A true angel. This angel has no larvae that "controls it", nor does it respawns when killed. I think this is what they want to become, and in fact, the only true angel we meet in the whole DLC is this one, the other ones are only illusions created by the pilgrims turned into larvae, that might even become pilgrim butterflies later on, when the larvae evolves. Because usually, larvae is just the first state of evolution, and they usually evolves in butterflies or moth (and well, pilgrim butterfly). Maybe it is just a question of... Well, luck? I mean, supposedly, those pilgrims die and die again, trying to darken themselves with sigils, to burden themselves to feed their thing on their back. When the thing matures, nor they die and it turns into a larvae and later into a pilgrim butterfly (bad ending I guess), nor they have the luck to evolve into a real angel. And those larvae are just using the illusion of what they desperately wanted to be but never will anymore, an angel. And there's certainly an other path to them, which is that they failed to even evolves, and turned into man grubs. They go through the same process as the Pilgrims: Dying over and over again (That's how you build up the sigil, you know?), which led for some of them to the man grub state (because they tried to much, and failed). There's also a lot of stuff linking the road of sacrifices (which is the path to the cathedral) to the ringed city (the symbol is everywhere, and is also the symbol of Londor btw) and the man grubs to the divine and angels (casters use divine spells, one is even guarding Gertrude's cell) and, over that, there's just so many statues of angelic creature in the cathedral overall. Anyway, they clearly didn't chose an easy life when they decided to go on a pilgrimage.
Doesnt the game outright show you how man grubs are made? By interacting too much with rosaria. (Respec more than 5 times) pretty sure they're unrelated to the pilgrims.
@@primary_magic1227 Yes, the message prompt "Do you wish to be reborn?" and "Further rebirth is not possible during this lifetime. Persisting will transform you into a grub." when doing it 5 times and trying again . I was thinking about that when I wrote it. I just deleted a whole paragraph about Rosaria because it was not useful and too long though I think I actually deleted a line or two that were making this part more understandable! My last paragraph was here to show the similarities in what the Pilgrims are doing and how the men grub became men grub. What I was implying was that the Pilgrim are actually going to Rosaria to be resurrected (reason why the "wooden tombs" in the road of sacrifices are actually the Londor symbol), and well, some decided to go past the 5 resurrections and became grubs (I think the number 5 is gameplay wise, lore wise it might be something more random based on someone's will/strength or simply luck). That's what I was meaning by "some pilgrims failed to evolve", the larvae didn't grow to maturity because their host turned into grubs before they could. I suppose that it is a part of the Pilgrimage in a way: They went to Lothric Castle to evolve into real angels, and if they "failed their ascendancy" they went back (or were brought back) to Rosaria to try again, and again, and again... Ultimately becoming grubs.
Dark Souls 3, compared to the other Souls games, is a game about what happens when everything completely falls apart. Like how if you run a computer system for months, the timer will overflow and everything will begin to break down and function in 10 millisecond increments instead of milliseconds. The Dreg heap is what happens when the Age of Fire has run so long, that the world itself is collapsing into itself. Everything is covered in ash and smoke, places and kingdoms from different time periods, buried on top of each other for millennia, all mesh together at the same time. The ruins of Lothric sit upon the ancient poison of Earthen Peak which has collapsed on top of the eons old Firelink altar. The Pilgrims are no exception. I imagine they're what happens when the Undead Curse falls apart like the rest of the world. It can only exist for so long before it warps and mutates into something terrifying. And evidently, if they wear stone shells to prevent the butterflies from bursting out of their backs, it happens often enough to be common practice.
Truly the most horrifying of 'mons. I see Jigglypuff with its boneless, inflatable body and giant eyeballs and quiver in fear. Not to mention Sylveon's fleshy "ribbon" tentacles. This started as a joke but now I'm not sure.
I always assumed they wanted to transform into angels, they just wanted it to happen in Lothric, so they wore those rocks to prevent it happening too soon
I'm convinced that the Pilgrims are actually the Pilgrims of the Dark from DS2. In Dark Souls 2 they were a strange group talented in sorcery, but drawn to the Dark. Surrounding themselves in dark. Performing their covenant puts us up against the Dark Lurker whom is a bizarre sort of angel with no context of further background. I was thinking perhaps the ascension of them is conquering light or dark inside them to yield further darkness, but maybe such a banishment is not doable alone. Similarly the Pilgrim we first meet would make us stronger by giving us Dark Sigil. And Anri would have a few also from a Pilgrim whom had followed them to give to us. It's also at this point that dying starts to hollow us. One guess I have is that it's all linked to New Londo and Londor being in touch with the Dark arts and New Londo itself once a place for hollows and the Abyss that would be seen attacked and drowned, no longer safe for those who might seek it. It's also no mystery Yuria knows Kaathe and wished to fulfill his desires as she has dialogue for it. Which only leaves the question "why do the Pilgrims change?" My personal take is it's by their embrace of change to either light or dark more predominantly in a hollowing fashion or by the amount of Dark Sigil they've achieved.
Look to the cleric set description to know why they too wear shells on their backs... “Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes. It is said that the blue-robed travelers were entrusted with a duty. *They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness.”*
Admittedly, they seem rather complete with their transformation into the partly insectoid Angels. They don't look like their chests split open, and if the old lady in the Dreg Heap is any indication, they can remember their past lives, at least enough to not gun you down if you were nice to them. So perhaps they prefer not becoming Butterflys for a reason. Perhaps that's just it. Maybe the other ones believe you'd kill them if given the chance, so they'd just rather not.
The way I like to think of it, the angels represent "luck," which is depicted as an active force in DS3, and regarded unique to humans. Literally, they are guardian angels protecting their hosts, the metamorphosed pilgrims. That would even explain why angel worship was deemed heretical. Instead of honoring Gwyn and the legacy of linking the fire, angels turned humanity's eyes inward, giving them hope to trust in themselves. Angels, despite the pale light they radiate, are creatures born of darkness-after all, their light robbed Gertrude of sight. Should the masses understand this, the fire would undoubtedly fade. It's also worth mentioning that both Gertrude's cage and the Twin Princes' throne room are littered with angels' feathers. Lothric even casts the same pale sorcery as the angels, and the way he's perched on Lorian's back even reminds me of the angel larvae sprouting from the backsides of the fallen pilgrims... Maybe in Oceiros' experiments to harness his royal blood, Lorian was inadvertently born alongside an incarnation of his own guardian angel? Even their combined souls look strangly reminiscent of the angels' wings, and Lothric clearly shows no interest in linking the fire. Lorian accepted his brother's curse, and similarly to Gertrude after her visitation from an angel, we find the once powerful demon-slaying prince now blind and mute.
But there is the stone humped hag at the start of Dreg Heap. She dies and there is an angel nearby where there once wasn't - a non-hostile one at that, but there is no strange thing growing on her corpse. Does that new angel have a hidden pilgrim or is it actually the stone humped hag mutating into something that isn't just horrible?
Why are Yoel and the lady in the Dreg Heap stone humped clerics? Yoel *wants* the world to be covered in darkness, why would he fight against becoming a vessel for it? The lady says she wants to be an angel. Wouldn't having the shell on her back make this transformation more difficult? Or does it mainly prevent metamorphosis into a butterfly?
The Pilgrims are the Pilgrims of the Dark from Dark Souls 2, the Darklurker being the angel that visited Gertrude and Lothric. Lothric has feathers on his bed that dont match the butterfly thing but do match the feathers of the Darklurker. Lothric himself even casts the same energy projectile as the Darklurker in his boss fight. The Darklurker does seem to be for the dark and shares the connection to the pilgrims. Makes the angels seem less out of place. That being said, I don't know why these new angels look different but maybe they have yet to complete their transformation? In the words of Darkdiver Grandahl "May the Dark shine your way"
Yoel talks about being ordained to die, which could either mean “ordered” (so it’s something they’re told to do), or it could mean a pilgrim’s death is predestined. That’s a pretty big difference, so I wonder what the line is in the original Japanese.
I'm pretty sure the pilgrim "becomes" the angel.. and the fleshy mass that grows out of the pilgrim corpse just sustains the angel. So the angel afterlife is definitely more preferable.
Some of the most intriguing and mysterious beings in Dark Souls, both from a design and story perspective. Would have loved to see more of them and their history explored, but it might spoil their eerie appeal.
That area, full of dead Pilgrims, is SO perfect for a secret Boss Fight, it even has a door for the fog wall. Maybe it could have been something around the like of Moon Butterfly from DS1, mixed with the Royal Rat Vanguard from DS2, where you have to find the right corpse from which the Pilgrim Butterfly is generated, but when you find it from the dead body sprouts out the larvae and it starts teleporting from a corpse to another, all while the Butterfly rains the Armageddon down on you.
Excellent breakdown! On a technical level - showing us the unused animations - and from a lore perspective. I always wondered what the difference was between pilgrims that became butterflies and pilgrims that became angels.
So they either become by technicality, Fallen. Or they emerge as Angels. And curiously enough, the fallen ones never actually, technically attack you unlike the angels. Except on the bridge, and they attack with fire while the angels attack with light. Curious indeed.
So, in short: Become a flying eldritch tree of horror OR pull a matrix and “jack in” to a new angelic body with super powers but become a living tumour.
It might be weirder than that. Time and space are convoluted in the dreg heap and the ringed city, and you get subtle evidence of this here and there. It's possible the larva and the adult forms just happen to exist at the same time because of this, which is why killing the larva kills the adult but not vice versa. You can also find an angel that doesn't have a larva at one point, to show that there doesn't actually have to be a larva at the same time.
@@KaptenAmurika "You can also find an angel that doesn't have a larva at one point, to show that there doesn't actually have to be a larva at the same time." Really? I can only think of three angels and they all have an associated larva. First angel, who is seen in this video Second is at the bonfire right before the remains of Harvest Valley. Its larva is pretty well hidden in a low cliff. Third is in the poison swamp, whose associated larva is hiding among the rooftops of the old buildings.
@@brocksteele7475 You know that pilgrim merchant at the start? When you finish the DLC and come back to her, you find her empty shell of a body, and there's a non-hostile angel floating around now. It'll kill everything there except you. Unless she's dead because you killed her. In that case, it'll just kill you like normal.
@@Grandmaster-Kush ds2 spoiler aldia just randomly appears, shoots some slow projectiles and then leaves again. Thats the final boss. No one knows what just happened and then you proceed to go to the throne lmao.
@man with a username Another way to interpret it is that the whole pokedex is written by children, whom make up story or embellish them, like Magikarp can jump a 100 feed high or w/e, obviously written by a child that is in denial that it's a worthless thing.
The Pokemon, lead by ASH KETCHUM FROM PALLET TOWN, have invaded, and are killing everything, except here comrade Pokémon. The resistance is making there final stand, with no hope against the million of beast, everywhere. Oh god, it hasn’t been ten weeks, the Pokémon have almost defeated us, with little hope for humanity left, we may not make it to nightfall, I feel only we could fix this, and stop ASH KETCHUM FROM PALLET TOWN from catching them all, but he already did it, and now can use them for total initiation of the universe. I can now only hope they don’t no catch us all.
Moonlight Butterfly is a thinker. Is it Flying/Psychic? Flying/Bug? Bug/Psychic? Am I on the wrong track with Psychic type? Or what about Old Iron King? Probably Steel/Fire? Or maybe just Fire? Is that a lake of magma or molten steel? What about Amygdala? Fairy/Psychic? Fairy/Dark? Dark/Psychic? I don't know why I wanna make Kin into Fairy types, I guess they're ethereal and arcane but also corporeal Havel should probably be pure Rock, though. We could give him Fighting, but then, you could give _tons_ of characters Fighting by that logic, any NPC with a weapon really. Also gotta try to get some mono-types in there, they're important too
Maybe they carry these stones chained to their backs in an attempt to avoid transformation? Either weigh them down or to stop the tendrils/larvae stage from growing, until the rock is too damaged/loosened? And wouldnt the transformation be Pilgrim-> Larvae -> butterfly? So the larvae isnt really an alternative final state, you just find them in the middle of the process?
The Londor Growers in the Dreg Heap are referred to as pupa in the art-book I suspect they aren’t even done yet with their evolution yet probably waiting for the fire to fade or get absorbed.
Hi Zullie!!! In Sekiro there is a cut Deathblow(one of the coolests by the way) that was in the demo that some people played before the game's launch, it's possible to restore it? And there is any other cut deathblow in the game files?
I always tought that they WANTED to turn into butterflies/angels and needed to die near Lothric for this to happen. I always saw this to be part of the Lothrics Angelic faith wich was secretly influenced by the Church of Londor.
Can you do a video on the water in the No Mann Warf boss fight? I always wanted to know if the boat was sinking or the water in just the specific area rose up.
I was about to say it's the latter but thinking about that rn is very interesting because out of the bossfight it could really be going down the water and we can't see it maybe, cool thought of yours.
The style of your videos is great. I usually prefer spoken commentary in videos, but for dark souls this just feels right. Thanks for all the amazing insights!
kinda curious what's under Dancer's helm, it's said in the description that the armor set is actually part of her body, so... does she even have a face?
So how do the two evolutions come about are two different conditions nessisary to become a angel or a butterfly? Also how intelligent are the pilgrim butterfly? Are they sapient like they can control the dragonslayer armor so they must have some level of intelligence right?
Seems to be the concentration of Humanity/Dark Soul in the Ringed City, Gwyn having locked away a huge portion there "at the end of time", when everything begins to merge into a singularity within the flame, including the former pieces of the Dark Soul. Sapient maybe, but remember how animalistic and cannabalistic *everything* becomes when Saturated and Concentrated with Dark, even us, and things like Manus, the citizens of Oolacile, the Locusts, etc. This is because it is the very nature of the Dark Soul to seek itself out and consolidate itself, usually through eating or consumption of anothers "Humanity"/ Dark Soul. To me it seems the Angels are a more "condensed" or consolidated version of the skeletal and tree-like Butterfly and the natural progression of what Londor Pilgrims would become if the World/Flame/Existence weren't in it's Death Throes by the time of DS3. Think of them as a more "complete" version of the skeletal Butterfly.
They want to avoid the "pus of man" branch of their evolution ,not the pilgrim butterflies. The pilgrim butterflies are a step closer to the evolution for them to eventually be dragons. If they stay "alive" and get the "pus of man" they will turn into snakes. They want to achieve perfection, they don't want to be imperfect. The "angels" pilgrims are the larvae phase of the pilgrim butterflies, I mean we see their empty husks and everything. The dragons/wyverns at lothric castle have the pus of man in them, so they used to be human. The first pilgrim butterfly we see at the dragon slayer armor looks similar to the dragons/wyverns we saw earlier. Their armor is called the "clerics set" as well, so their whole worship is based around the idea of the shell in their back. Also it is interesting that the "pus of man" is an abyss creature that comes from abyss corruption, the pilgrims come most likely from londo because there is a church there according to Yuria. Londo is very heavily influenced by the abyss.
londor is not the same as anor londo or new londo. not to saw the rest of your analysis is wrong, but you seem to be conflating the cities in the two games. I know I certainly was before I looked it up.
@@auto1nfanticid3 I am not confusing anything. Londor and New londo are the same place. The name changed a little through the years. Same place, kind of different name. Anor londo is in the boreal valley and almost nothing to do with this. The head of the church of londo is Kathee from ds1 and Yuria mentions him in the game still as such. Kathee was supposed to be the third phase of the twin princes boss fight before he became cut content for the game. His statues are still in the main game in lothric castle after the dragon slayer armor fight. The pilgrims are very much associated with Yuria as well.
@@TheReturnOfGeorgePingas there is nothing to absolutely prove your assertions, and in fact there is much evidence and speculation that lodor didnt exist before the beginning of ds3, but exists in the future of the dreg heap, ringed city, and end of the world.
@@auto1nfanticid3 Those aren't my assertions, they are literally still in the game. Kathee as a boss fight is confimed cut content. There are literally statues of him still in the game today. You can open up the game and check them. Yuria screams "Kathee I failed thee.." when she dies and that is still in our current game today. What else do you want as evidence to confirm the stuff I said ? She literally names him and shows affinity for him. Guess who was responsible for new londo in ds1? Kathee. Isn't it weird how an unrelated character from londor such as Yuria, as you claim, knows a character that is very known for his influence in New Londo? Isn't it weird that both have the same goal, to find a new dark lord? Isn't it weird that names of the places are almost identical as well? There is zero evidence on the stuff you talk about though and I don't know from where you got those "evidences" and "speculations". I suggest that you should just replay ds3 again in a role playthrough style. Also Londor almost has nothing to do with the Dreg Heap, Ringed City or "the end of the world" area other than that they are full of abyss and are related somewhat to hollows. Londor is an area that we don't see in the game. Kind of like astora or other kingdoms in the previous games.
@@TheReturnOfGeorgePingas im aware of the references to kathe, but that isnt concrete evidence that the two cities are the same . google londo vs londor ds3 and you will see the things I'm talking about. you are way too sure of yourself in this game where very little is absolute. the original plot for ds3 is technically cut content, should we take that as cannon too?
Doesn’t the female Pilgrim in the Dreg Heap _want_ to become a butterfly? I could be misremembering dialogue, and I can’t be asked to reinstall DS3, but I thought she implied that’s what she wanted.
After she dies, which happens at a certain point regardless of if you kill her, there will be a non hostile angel floating over the Dreg Heap at her location. The suggestion is that she became that angel.
Everyone always gives (deserved) love to the videos, but I gotta shoutout the amazing soundtrack choices you pick - granted choosing Zelda and Kingsfield makes it easy as you can't go wrong with any of their tracks ;)
- Would you rather be a butterfly or an angel?
- _I'd_ _rather_ _die_
Angel it is then.
not a choise! *streamers and confetti*
"Can you please get that weird thing off of my back?!"
I would rather be an angel. Because Master Skywalker made me one already:(
me_irl
Zully carrying the whole souls fanbase all the way to elden ring by herself again
doing the lords' work
So true, bless her for her effort
Facts.
If Zullie was a Souls boss, based on all the souls she has touched, she’d be like 30 ft tall.
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed
Shoutout to the corpse at the edge of the cliff whose arm is spaghetti.
youtubers doing shoutouts, smh. what next, gonna do a collab with alva?
jk love the vids!
Hey Zullie could you do a video explaining why the laser the Pilgrim Butterfly fires has god afwful terrible accuracy
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
@@LibrarianOfLeng that's easy, if they were pinpoint accurate, you wouldn't be able to dodge it... also it was very powerful at one point but From nerfed them
@@LibrarianOfLeng My assumption is that the butterflies aren't really meant to hit you, they're just there to instill the fear of being hit. If they were actually good at their job, sniping you from a mile away while an aggressive metal one-piece is bearing down on you with an axe roughly the size of your entire body, the fight would be unbearable.
"It all seems kind of rigged against them." That's just Dark Souls babyyyyyy *finger guns*
Thanks, was constipated, but not anymore.
Lmao
They should have gone to Lordran, where they could level up and kindle at bonfires.
Why tf can I imagine someone doing this 😂
This line reminds me of my boy Harry from Disco Ellysium somehow.
This is deeply upsetting. They're cute little round guys who grow up to either become Satan's pet butterflies or gun me down in the Dreg Heap.
Don't worry they can still gun you down as Satan's pets too
Yea that is hella true
Bro, you are literally everywhere.
@@darklordaranyx2467 You are literally wrong.
@@platogkrone7161 The King of Antarctica is an omnipresent being. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am literally right.
fromsoft needs to start including a model viewer in their games, so much lore hidden in plain sight
That would be fkn sick, just like resident evil model viewer
@Martin Toledo save and quit if you cant find a safe spot smh
@Martin Toledo normal games have, like a difficulty ssetting lmao
Edit: a lot people failed to understand that this is sarcasm
@Martin Toledo sekiro had a pause button
Honestly I’d love a battle arena where you can fight all the bosses like in Hollow Knight
The immense detail of every grotesque creature in dark souls is both inspiring yet disgusting
Your profile pic is too cute for this franchise
look at this nerd, awe inspired by the body horror that is dork souls
The epitome of "it's awful, I love it".
It's their fault.
They should have carried an everstone instead of a stupid random rock.
They wear the rock to prevent transformation after death... so it is an everstone
@@jacobhoover1654 well it obviously doesnt work and maybe makes the whole deal even worse so I wouldnt call that a functional everstone
Alas, they were horribly unaware that it wasn't an everstone they carry but a float stone.
Should have tapped B
I carried an everstone, still became a butterfly.
I love how no matter what path they end up on, they will always shoot lasers. Which tbh might be worth it
Pilgrim butterflies don't shoot lasers
@@L33PL4Y They do! If you wait a bit when the boss is low hp you'll see it. Its part of the phase 2 mechanic of the fight but dragonslayer armour is usually dead before you see it
@@PieMastyr No, they shoot rocks during that fight.
@@L33PL4Y yup thats thei primary attack. Like i said the laser is a rare attack that has a huge windup. You'd only see it if you spent a lot of time in the second phase of the fight. Check out bonfireVNs video at 2:10 ish th-cam.com/video/xTA_ojaJsCM/w-d-xo.html
@@L33PL4Y they did shoot laser, like really big and deadly one!
So you’re telling the those pilgrim butterfly’s are actually upside down and that they basically hanging there on their backs? Oh..
Your profile picture is from Super Paper Mario Right?
@@IDECIDETHETRUTH yea its the toilet guy
@@mt2r-music Based toilet quiz
Pausing at 1:41, you can see the Angel Larvae bursting THROUGH the stone on the back, implying that this has to happen in order for the Pilgrim to become an Angel.
This implies to me that if the Angel Larvae isn't strong enough to burst through the stone, it explodes out backwards instead, through the ribcage. This creates a Pilgrim Butterfly instead.
The stones could be a rite of passage for the Angel itself, and the Pilgrims are compelled to wear them for this reason.
The whole series is partly about the existential threat of the curse, ie, losing yourself and becoming hollow, but also about how no matter how much power and status one attains it remains a fundamental part of your being. "Mark my words Ashen One, you remain among the accursed," that sort of thing. The pilgrims are hollow but retain their intelligence (bear in mind this is just my interpretation) because they've embraced this truth and cast their identities and worldly attachments aside. Yoel was "once a sorcerer," and the pilgrim in the Dreg Heap "was once the wet nurse of royalty," but those earthly roles have ceased to define them. Their only goal is to die and be reborn, so they both embody and transcend the vicious cycle that defines the Souls gameplay loop and it's overarching themes. Honestly I think the hubris of placing yourself above all the "worthless, faceless undead" that are actually your fellow man is adequately rubbed in when an Angel that spawned from a lowly hollow disintegrates you with its lasers.
Lets hope that Elden ring will be a little less nichilistic. From what i see you are a man on a quest to regain your royal title.
Hollows in my opinion are those who have lost their purpose in life - That's why when NPCs survive their questlines and can't fulfill their duties/lose hope that they might ever be able to fulfill their purpose, or lose their closest friends, end up being hollows you can find and kill in the world. We can imagine that if we abandoned our undead character for good on their quest, they would eventually become exactly like them, because we lost the will to go on with our duty.
"Wet nurse of royalty," you say? Now, I don't actually believe that Dark Souls and Bloodborne share a setting or anything, but I also can't leave that obviously-coincidental detail alone...
@@SIGNOR-G I hope Elden Ring is somehow even sadder.
@@MonoFlax That's a neat idea......maybe put a timer on each player character that only counts down when not playing. When next you log on with that character they start hollowed based on how long it's been. But if it's been too long the character is deleted and a Hollow with it's exact stats and load out is waiting for the next character you make that reaches the last bonfire it was resting at.
Could we maybe take a closer look at the Corvian race? The knights, the settlers and maybe a upright model of Father Ariandel?
There's an old lore video talking about the Corvians as half-dragons
You mean Father Standianel?
Ariandel is horrid
I just imagined Father Ariandel T-posing and felt a shiver of fear
I'd also like to see this. I need to know if it really is a disgusting tangle of feces stuck to the settlers asses.
As much fun as the speculative nature of Dark Souls can be, this is one of those case where I wish things were spelled out more. The whole concept of angels in Ds3 is woefully underutilized.
100% this. Rather than wrapping up and providing conclusive lore to any number of the open ended questions introduced in DS3, The Ringed City DLC gave us some half baked new open ended questions to dwell on like the angels and weird time fuckery that happens at the end.
Gertrude? Angels? Wake up, you gotta help me get through Archer City!
According to a dev stating cut content and story changes, Kaathe was originally going to descend from the sky and speak to the player right as they reached the Lothric Twins' gate to their boss room, with angel wings (he never specified Pilgrim Butterly wings or Pilgrim Angel wings, tho). It was originally going to be revealed that Kaathe manipulated Gertrude into causing Lothric's collapse by being the "angel" that she saw, and he would inform the player of the Lord of Hollows ending, albeit this was ultimately cut with this role given to Yuria.
@@joshuakim5240 That explains the angel statue with a primordial serpent's head!
Perhaps because the theme in souls is degradation, and angels are unaffected by time
I love and hate those angels. They look amazing and terrifying at the same time, but godamn they are annoying. Shoutout to the sweet Stone-Humped Hag that (in theory) became one and didn't laser me back to the bonfire.
IIRC she becomes the only non-hostile one; you go back to collect her ashes and there's a new angel flying around, but it won't attack you. It is odd there's no associated larva for it, but I assumed it must be her because her memories of you are the only reason I can think why that one wouldn't bust out the light spears on sight like the rest.
@@Ferromancer86 only if you kill her in pilgrim form, that angel will aggro, pretty sure that angel is her
@@Ferromancer86 I assume it's her as well, but always thought it was weird that she didn't become one of the weird larvae after "evolving". Probably so we can't hurt her, IIRC she can't be hit due to the distance, I could be wrong though.
The pilgrims are one of several aspects of DSIII that don't feel... finished. They're apparently important enough to be featured in the opening cinematic, but in-game... to call their presence "understated" is an "understatement", hueh. Not that I wanted them to be the centerpiece of the story or anything, but I'm still not 100% sure what they even... are. I don't need to know everything about them, in fact I don't want to, that's not how Dark Souls lore goes, but usually I at least have a grasp on the basic concept. Like, I was under the impression that they WANTED to transform until now, and even now I remain unconvinced of the contrary since I can find hardly anything to confirm what's being said here. I still don't get what their pilgrimage entails or anything of the sort, and that lack of info doesn't feel intentional. As if they were supposed to have a bigger role (as implied by their unused animations) but that was cut.
The pus of man is another example of this sort of thing. At first you're led to believe that this'll be an important plot element, because the first boss you fight exhibits this theme and some early enemies do too, and then it largely vanishes and is never explained beyond basic fan speculation. In that particular case I don't mind because I find them to be rather silly, but as for the pilgrims I love their design and some of their implications. I wish they were more fleshed out. Again, in that Dark Souls way where "fleshed out" mostly means "gives you just enough answers to get you asking more questions".
Puss of Man is Abyss corruption-experiment, this also suggest your existance as failed test subject that didn't fail. This goes with story of you being occelote. With Pilgrims l'm not sure for what their pilgrimage is for. But big role of them is so you can take 5 free levels and get hollowing for certain ending. That suggest those creatures are from Londor.
I'm pretty sure the Pilgrims are from Londor and their pilgrimage is an attempt to convince Lothric to go full hollow and become the new Lord of Hollows aka the next Dark Lord.
Pilgrims definitely wanted an end to the age of fire, they probably made their way to lothric to beg prince Lothric not to link the flame. This would also explain why as pilgrim butterflies they help guard the bridge to the archives along with DSA.
I forget if they have a link to pontiff.
As for pus of man tho I have no idea, really unfinished imo was def supposed to have a bigger role before they scrapped the original story
I really like the theory of the main character being Ocelotte, it makes some sense because if Oceiros’ experiments ended up killing Ocelotte the body would be dumped unceremoniously in the intended graves and left to become Unkindled Ash.
About the Pilgrims, I think they certainly could have roots in Londor. It just occurred to me that maybe the Pilgrims are manifestations of the rot caused by the The First Sin and the kindling of the First Flame, in the same way the Unkindled Ash arose from the fallen Undead who failed at kindling the fire. With the Pilgrims fearing metamorphosis and their impending transformation, they yearn for death because it ceases their need to exist in The Age of Fir. They’re afraid of the potentialities of that transformation because they know it’s not natural. So they work in hopes of ushering in the Age of Man by guiding the Lord of Hollows, in Yoel’s case at least, because the Pilgrims are driven by the natural cycle of the world that has been halted and warped by Gwyn’s fear of death and losing his kingdom. Similarly, the Ashen One is driven by the unnatural force yearning for powerful souls in order to rekindle the fire…until they meet Old Yoel that is
The Pilgrims are indeed from Londor. If you follow the Lord of Hollows path, it is a Pilgrim that subdues Anri. Yoel is from Londor as well. I am not 100% sure why they make a Pilgrimage to Lothric, I can only assume it to protect him as long as he isn't linking the fire as well as to possibly convince him to become the Lord of Hollows. The reason I think they want to die has everything to do with transformation. If they live and experience transformation, it will be violent and painful and they will become pilgrim butterflies. However, if they "die" eventually they will become the "angel" things of the dreg heap.
The puss of man, first big difference between the folks dealing with this and the pilgrims. Pilgrims got a big rock on their back holding in the darkness. Puss of Man's darkness is just busted out of their back and growing over them. When the Darkness emerges suddenly without ever having been forcefully restrained it seems to take on draconic qualities, this is like, counter what some may say, the more natural course. The Pilgrims hold that darkness in and that seems to have an effect on them. Compared to puss of man hollows, Pilgrims are literally darker, with dark iron skin tone. This extra "cooking" probably the difference between something trying to be a dragon and something trying to be a bug, I mean angel.
The way I see it Angels (which include locusts, butterflies, Corvians and those strange giant flies born from the rotten humanity's blood from Ariandel's painting) are basically Demons but for the Dark instead of fire.
Even the name technically gives it away, despite their origins being swapped (Demons come from life and light, Angels come from death and darkness).
The Abyss is the opposite of Chaos, which are both a failed attempts to control their respective force (Dark and fire).
And both are a seedbed for life, albeit Chaos is more predatory while the Abyss seems to create almost opportunistic and parasitic life.
Both Chaos and the Abyss take the form of a liquid (lava for chaos, stagnating water or even the deep for the abyss).
However, Demons seem to work more or less like mutations, and the Chaos almost like radiation. Angels seem to be an infestation of overgrown darkness created by the person's humanity.
In my opinion, the only reason Lothric started worshipping angels was out of their culture, steeming from both Dragon Worshipping (wings) and the Anor Londo's gods (golden-hued magic).
Londor's pilgrims, if they really come from the future, might have known this and have used that as a chance to conquer Lothric, maybe for the whole "Age of the Deep", so they are trying to find the tallest point in the world to survive.
Also, if the deep is linked to the abyss and the dark, and it's basically going to flood the world of Dark Souls, it makes sense that creatures of the Dark would evolve as winged insect-like humanoids since the world would probably be a giant stagnating ocean, and insects prosper in stagnating waters.
Also, I think the grubs and the whole covenant of Rosaria, being set in the Cathedral of the Deep, seems to stem from this: they want to push humans to evolve into angels through rebirth, however by being an artificial "Angelification" they are just reborn as larvas. basically they wasted their "privilege" to become angels by being to scared of the incoming end of the world and taking a shortcut through Rosaria.
I was sceptical when reading the beginning of your comment, but pretty much all you said does make sense to me. There definitely is a resemblance to be found between the Angels/Butterflies, the Locusts and the Corvians.
e. Although I'm not that sure if the demons and your group of angel-beings are all that dissimilar in the end - one group is just connected with a fire aesthetic, and the other one with dark or black colors?
It makes a lot of sense, the first ''angel'' we saw in the series was probably the DarkLurker, who even sunk in a primitive abyss still had his ''pure and white'' soul, and yet he extracted and invoked his power from the Dark Sign, the curse itself
Eh I hate to be that guy but I'm fairly certain chaos and dregs have nothing to do with. Considering they're pilgrims of Londor that can hollow the player, it's clearly all tied to humanity. They are simply the visual representation of the new age affecting religious beings who interpret the age in a specific (but pitiful) way. They represent religion.
@@StudioMod I meant as a counterpart, not similar as in the same species. just a way to show Fire and Dark work similarly and that the Dark isn't inherently evil, just as fire isn't inherently good. they are similar forces born from similar situations from two opposite concepts.
no corvians are different, they are like decendant of the crows in ariamis, wich are referred in japanese as velka followers
I feel like when we happen upon them in the Dreg Heap they aren’t even done with their metamorphosis yet. As the Londor growers are referred to as pupa in the artbook probably waiting for the Age of Man/Dark to be in full effect.
Damn. The angels in the Age of Dark must be like gods then.
@@Leo-pw3kf The only light in a world of darkness? You bet. Elemental advantage against literally everything.
@@Leo-pw3kf Darklurker 😳
@@MisterBlackroad My personal theory is that Darklurker is the closest thing to humanity's "true form" Gwyn's seal of fire stripped away that we see in the series.
@@MisterBlackroad :O
I never put two-and-two together about pilgrims and pilgrim butterflies. Jesus, it's so bleak. I love it.
You do? Okay, lets hope you'll get to reincarnate as them next time so you can truly enjoy it!
@@alzhanvoid Can you please stop roleplaying in any reply to me? Thanks.
@@Shruggernauts Roleplay? Im not roleplaying, Im just wishing you the best!
I wonder how that existential dread feels, knowing you're gonna transform into something else and not being able to do anything about it...
It's like having a terminal illness, but without the sweet release of death at the end, just the eternal continuation of your painful existence as another dreadful life form.
i recommend you read "the shadow over innsmouth"
@@drasticgray I know The Shadow Over Innsmouth, I'd still argue the Pilgrims have it worse, at least with Deep Ones you can kill yourself at any point if you really can't bear it any more, whether that's before or after the transformation.
there is nothing of good in death
LORE TIME:
I find very interesting the description of the cleric robe: "They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness."
It's the same thing the Pilgrims do. What they are referring to as seedbeds for spreading darkness is probably the Pus Of Men, those dark blobs that come out from hollows in Lothric. That's what Pilgrims are actually trying to avoid. Covering their back is probably a ritual used to suppress the corruption of the Dark that sometimes manifests sprouting out of the back. Also the Pilgrimage they're doing is meant to prove their faith, so they can successfully suppress the Abyss inside of them. Faith as a means to suppress the Dark I think is a theme in Dark Souls 3. For example: Lord Wolnir and his bracelets, Filianore sealing away the Dark Soul, the pilgrims...
Interesting since there are the crawling cleric hollows in the ringed city who also wear the shell.
Maybe that’s why patches hates clerics. Because he knew all along they’d become angels that shoot leaders at him
@@Wryler8 he made miracle builds in pvp so weak
@@nalouw yes, in fact they wear the cleric robe I mentioned
@@AlessioTerzi3 I wish we could have seen a cleric with a broken/removed shell at some point in the Ringed City, perhaps in the abyssal swamp. I feel like the Pus of Man would have been fitting for that area.
The nature of Pilgrims are pretty ominous and cool. Would've loved if there were more about them in the game.
The way the roots and such grow from their backs reminds me vaguely of the Pontiff during his boss fight
I do belive they're supposed to
I think that's kinda the purpose of the big rocks on their backs. I read in another comment that the flavor text for the cleric set states that clerics would wear large covers on their backs in order to deter the creation of another seedbed for darkness. (or the abyss/deep) Which is why those spinning turtle clerics in the RInged City have those giant rocks on their backs, because they were actually trying to prevent the spread of the roots that you find on the enemies of the Ringed City, like the overgrown lothric knights and the big headless knights. If we assume that this practice spread to the pilgrims it would make sense why they turn into these weird tree looking things, because they became a seedbed for the abyss just like the Pontiff and other Ringed CIty enemies did.
It also makes sense when you consider that the Pontiff's in game model was supposed to be the final boss during early development, and a lot of the Ringed City's enemies have the exact same root/tree motifs because they were supposed to be descendants of those corrupted by the abyss. (Which is why the RInged Knights have darksigns on their armor, to prevent more of their humanity from leaking out of their bodies and turning into something like the Pus of Man or Iudex Gundyr) Ultimately it all stems from abyssal corruption, and it explains why so many enemies have weird tendrils/roots sticking out of them, and why the Locust Preachers try to convince you to spread the abyss.
I think the roots and stuff growing out of Pontiff ties into his origins as a tree person from the Painted World of Ariandel.
Here's something neat: the shell backpack is similar to the one worn in the Cleric set. Based on its item description, it could be what the pilgrims once looked like.
"Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes.
It is said that the blue-robed travelers were entrusted with a duty.
They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness."
The outfit even looks similar, with skirt-like leggings and a cloth over the shoulders. We also encounter hollow clerics in the DLC who look like they are halfway in-between.
Therefore, the full evolutionary line is:
Cleric -> Hollow Cleric -> Pilgrim
And then two mega evolutions, Pilgrim Butterfly X and Pilgrim Butterfly Y
@@addictedtoRS I've always seen the evolution of the undead in the serie as
uman > marked > first death > reversed death > various level of mind degradation > unreversable hollow > hollow warrior > desperate hollow > still
with things like seth experiment happening after the hollow is unreversable, and the will of the individual and their identity gettim more and more erased with each death and failure
@@ENCHANTMEN_ My comment got deleted for some reason so I'll retype it.
There are also undead clerics without the shell, that instead grow dark crystals from their back.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ plus the Cleric hat wraps around the character’s face like the Pilgrims
I always kind of believed this especially since you see some(Unless I'm mistaken) in the Ringed City
Since the Cleric set also has a shell-like structure on the back (albeit made of cloth) that is supposed to "ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness." are the Pilgrims the eventual result of the Blue Clerics?
Nah, clerics are greedier.
@@jarrarwinks8470 patches that you?
they're destined to become the Beyblade Clerics of Londor
I would feel bad for them if I hadn't played The Ringed City on release day and experienced the pre-nerf angels. They deserve everything that's coming to them
This is the only channel that makes me drop everything when a new video comes out to come watch
*flying a military bomber and browsing youtube, zullie video appears*
*drops nuke*
@@alanwatts8239 maybe it’s the whole reason I’m not in charge of nukes
I never knew the angel larva were grown out of a pilgrim! Never saw that base up close! Amazing stuff!
The pilgrim butterflies and the angels were always the most mysterious/horrifying part of DS3 to me
"Doomed to turn into horrible monsters," is pretty par for the course in this setting.
I think the larvae form "that control the angel" is not their "good" side of the evolution. The true form is what the Pilgrim woman at the dreg heap entrance become: A true angel.
This angel has no larvae that "controls it", nor does it respawns when killed. I think this is what they want to become, and in fact, the only true angel we meet in the whole DLC is this one, the other ones are only illusions created by the pilgrims turned into larvae, that might even become pilgrim butterflies later on, when the larvae evolves. Because usually, larvae is just the first state of evolution, and they usually evolves in butterflies or moth (and well, pilgrim butterfly).
Maybe it is just a question of... Well, luck? I mean, supposedly, those pilgrims die and die again, trying to darken themselves with sigils, to burden themselves to feed their thing on their back.
When the thing matures, nor they die and it turns into a larvae and later into a pilgrim butterfly (bad ending I guess), nor they have the luck to evolve into a real angel.
And those larvae are just using the illusion of what they desperately wanted to be but never will anymore, an angel.
And there's certainly an other path to them, which is that they failed to even evolves, and turned into man grubs.
They go through the same process as the Pilgrims: Dying over and over again (That's how you build up the sigil, you know?), which led for some of them to the man grub state (because they tried to much, and failed).
There's also a lot of stuff linking the road of sacrifices (which is the path to the cathedral) to the ringed city (the symbol is everywhere, and is also the symbol of Londor btw) and the man grubs to the divine and angels (casters use divine spells, one is even guarding Gertrude's cell) and, over that, there's just so many statues of angelic creature in the cathedral overall.
Anyway, they clearly didn't chose an easy life when they decided to go on a pilgrimage.
Doesnt the game outright show you how man grubs are made? By interacting too much with rosaria. (Respec more than 5 times) pretty sure they're unrelated to the pilgrims.
@@primary_magic1227 Yes, the message prompt "Do you wish to be reborn?" and "Further rebirth is not possible during this lifetime. Persisting will transform you into a grub." when doing it 5 times and trying again . I was thinking about that when I wrote it. I just deleted a whole paragraph about Rosaria because it was not useful and too long though I think I actually deleted a line or two that were making this part more understandable!
My last paragraph was here to show the similarities in what the Pilgrims are doing and how the men grub became men grub.
What I was implying was that the Pilgrim are actually going to Rosaria to be resurrected (reason why the "wooden tombs" in the road of sacrifices are actually the Londor symbol), and well, some decided to go past the 5 resurrections and became grubs (I think the number 5 is gameplay wise, lore wise it might be something more random based on someone's will/strength or simply luck).
That's what I was meaning by "some pilgrims failed to evolve", the larvae didn't grow to maturity because their host turned into grubs before they could.
I suppose that it is a part of the Pilgrimage in a way: They went to Lothric Castle to evolve into real angels, and if they "failed their ascendancy" they went back (or were brought back) to Rosaria to try again, and again, and again... Ultimately becoming grubs.
Dark Souls 3, compared to the other Souls games, is a game about what happens when everything completely falls apart. Like how if you run a computer system for months, the timer will overflow and everything will begin to break down and function in 10 millisecond increments instead of milliseconds.
The Dreg heap is what happens when the Age of Fire has run so long, that the world itself is collapsing into itself. Everything is covered in ash and smoke, places and kingdoms from different time periods, buried on top of each other for millennia, all mesh together at the same time. The ruins of Lothric sit upon the ancient poison of Earthen Peak which has collapsed on top of the eons old Firelink altar.
The Pilgrims are no exception. I imagine they're what happens when the Undead Curse falls apart like the rest of the world. It can only exist for so long before it warps and mutates into something terrifying. And evidently, if they wear stone shells to prevent the butterflies from bursting out of their backs, it happens often enough to be common practice.
truth is, the game was rigged from the start
For me the angel larvae seem more of a parasite to the pilgrims. The one shown in the video seems to be praying over the corpse of it's dead host
"They were doomed to turn into horrible monsters."
Well of course they'd be horrible if they're Fairy Type.
Truly the most horrifying of 'mons. I see Jigglypuff with its boneless, inflatable body and giant eyeballs and quiver in fear. Not to mention Sylveon's fleshy "ribbon" tentacles. This started as a joke but now I'm not sure.
@@blarg2429 >mentions an eeveelution in the year 2021
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@@deadhookerproductions1068 oh god oh fuck i didn't think of that please no
@@blarg2429 did you know that in terms of....oh shit it almost infected me
@@bondrewd3939 I am so sorry for bringing this plague upon us all.
Seeing this and the thumbnail you used.
Makes me want a dark souls themed pokemon rom hack.
There is sorta. Pokesouls.
I always assumed they wanted to transform into angels, they just wanted it to happen in Lothric, so they wore those rocks to prevent it happening too soon
I'm convinced that the Pilgrims are actually the Pilgrims of the Dark from DS2. In Dark Souls 2 they were a strange group talented in sorcery, but drawn to the Dark. Surrounding themselves in dark. Performing their covenant puts us up against the Dark Lurker whom is a bizarre sort of angel with no context of further background. I was thinking perhaps the ascension of them is conquering light or dark inside them to yield further darkness, but maybe such a banishment is not doable alone. Similarly the Pilgrim we first meet would make us stronger by giving us Dark Sigil. And Anri would have a few also from a Pilgrim whom had followed them to give to us. It's also at this point that dying starts to hollow us. One guess I have is that it's all linked to New Londo and Londor being in touch with the Dark arts and New Londo itself once a place for hollows and the Abyss that would be seen attacked and drowned, no longer safe for those who might seek it. It's also no mystery Yuria knows Kaathe and wished to fulfill his desires as she has dialogue for it. Which only leaves the question "why do the Pilgrims change?" My personal take is it's by their embrace of change to either light or dark more predominantly in a hollowing fashion or by the amount of Dark Sigil they've achieved.
*"Keep your marbles intact, love. At least until I lose mine."*
Look to the cleric set description to know why they too wear shells on their backs... “Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes.
It is said that the blue-robed travelers were entrusted with a duty.
*They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness.”*
In the world of Dark Souls, you can see pilgrims just dies and grow wings.
Your pic is legendary.
Admittedly, they seem rather complete with their transformation into the partly insectoid Angels. They don't look like their chests split open, and if the old lady in the Dreg Heap is any indication, they can remember their past lives, at least enough to not gun you down if you were nice to them.
So perhaps they prefer not becoming Butterflys for a reason.
Perhaps that's just it. Maybe the other ones believe you'd kill them if given the chance, so they'd just rather not.
The Kingfield sound track always slaps.
The way I like to think of it, the angels represent "luck," which is depicted as an active force in DS3, and regarded unique to humans. Literally, they are guardian angels protecting their hosts, the metamorphosed pilgrims.
That would even explain why angel worship was deemed heretical. Instead of honoring Gwyn and the legacy of linking the fire, angels turned humanity's eyes inward, giving them hope to trust in themselves. Angels, despite the pale light they radiate, are creatures born of darkness-after all, their light robbed Gertrude of sight. Should the masses understand this, the fire would undoubtedly fade.
It's also worth mentioning that both Gertrude's cage and the Twin Princes' throne room are littered with angels' feathers. Lothric even casts the same pale sorcery as the angels, and the way he's perched on Lorian's back even reminds me of the angel larvae sprouting from the backsides of the fallen pilgrims...
Maybe in Oceiros' experiments to harness his royal blood, Lorian was inadvertently born alongside an incarnation of his own guardian angel? Even their combined souls look strangly reminiscent of the angels' wings, and Lothric clearly shows no interest in linking the fire. Lorian accepted his brother's curse, and similarly to Gertrude after her visitation from an angel, we find the once powerful demon-slaying prince now blind and mute.
You should make a book ngl
But there is the stone humped hag at the start of Dreg Heap. She dies and there is an angel nearby where there once wasn't - a non-hostile one at that, but there is no strange thing growing on her corpse. Does that new angel have a hidden pilgrim or is it actually the stone humped hag mutating into something that isn't just horrible?
Maybe Zullie could find out!
maybe it takes longer for larvae to grow out of Pilgim deas body than for Angel to spawn
Why are Yoel and the lady in the Dreg Heap stone humped clerics?
Yoel *wants* the world to be covered in darkness, why would he fight against becoming a vessel for it?
The lady says she wants to be an angel. Wouldn't having the shell on her back make this transformation more difficult? Or does it mainly prevent metamorphosis into a butterfly?
I always thought they WANTED to become butterflies, that's why they were making the pilgrimage to Lothric to begin with.
I always thought the things on the pilgrims backs were rocks.
The Pilgrims are the Pilgrims of the Dark from Dark Souls 2, the Darklurker being the angel that visited Gertrude and Lothric. Lothric has feathers on his bed that dont match the butterfly thing but do match the feathers of the Darklurker. Lothric himself even casts the same energy projectile as the Darklurker in his boss fight. The Darklurker does seem to be for the dark and shares the connection to the pilgrims. Makes the angels seem less out of place. That being said, I don't know why these new angels look different but maybe they have yet to complete their transformation? In the words of Darkdiver Grandahl "May the Dark shine your way"
Yoel talks about being ordained to die, which could either mean “ordered” (so it’s something they’re told to do), or it could mean a pilgrim’s death is predestined. That’s a pretty big difference, so I wonder what the line is in the original Japanese.
They're destined to ascend into magnificent beings.
After spending enough time in the village ruins.... That music is like a warm blanket to me.
I'm pretty sure the pilgrim "becomes" the angel.. and the fleshy mass that grows out of the pilgrim corpse just sustains the angel.
So the angel afterlife is definitely more preferable.
Some of the most intriguing and mysterious beings in Dark Souls, both from a design and story perspective. Would have loved to see more of them and their history explored, but it might spoil their eerie appeal.
That area, full of dead Pilgrims, is SO perfect for a secret Boss Fight, it even has a door for the fog wall. Maybe it could have been something around the like of Moon Butterfly from DS1, mixed with the Royal Rat Vanguard from DS2, where you have to find the right corpse from which the Pilgrim Butterfly is generated, but when you find it from the dead body sprouts out the larvae and it starts teleporting from a corpse to another, all while the Butterfly rains the Armageddon down on you.
"Honey, wake up. Zullie just uploaded a new video"
Excellent breakdown! On a technical level - showing us the unused animations - and from a lore perspective. I always wondered what the difference was between pilgrims that became butterflies and pilgrims that became angels.
Seems to be some sort of infection exclusive to the Dreg Heap as the Stone-humped Hag immediately became an Angel on death.
Love this channel
I always found the appearance of the angel's wings to be slightly suggestive of an egg.
"understated tragedy happening in the background" Dark souls lore in a nutshell
The unused walking animation looks like it could have been used in the opening cinematic.
That's what I thought too, similar to the planned original Bloodborne trailer when it was in-engine instead of pre-rendered.
...so that angel was a Pilgrim before? How did I not make that connection when I see that larva? That is terrifying.
This just makes me want to see what Londor is supposed to look like even more.
"the pilgrims don't have any sort of face even if you remove the hood"
Nah we just lack the insight to see it
So they either become by technicality, Fallen.
Or they emerge as Angels.
And curiously enough, the fallen ones never actually, technically attack you unlike the angels.
Except on the bridge, and they attack with fire while the angels attack with light. Curious indeed.
So, in short:
Become a flying eldritch tree of horror OR pull a matrix and “jack in” to a new angelic body with super powers but become a living tumour.
It might be weirder than that. Time and space are convoluted in the dreg heap and the ringed city, and you get subtle evidence of this here and there. It's possible the larva and the adult forms just happen to exist at the same time because of this, which is why killing the larva kills the adult but not vice versa.
You can also find an angel that doesn't have a larva at one point, to show that there doesn't actually have to be a larva at the same time.
@@KaptenAmurika "You can also find an angel that doesn't have a larva at one point, to show that there doesn't actually have to be a larva at the same time." Really? I can only think of three angels and they all have an associated larva.
First angel, who is seen in this video
Second is at the bonfire right before the remains of Harvest Valley. Its larva is pretty well hidden in a low cliff.
Third is in the poison swamp, whose associated larva is hiding among the rooftops of the old buildings.
@@brocksteele7475 You know that pilgrim merchant at the start? When you finish the DLC and come back to her, you find her empty shell of a body, and there's a non-hostile angel floating around now. It'll kill everything there except you.
Unless she's dead because you killed her. In that case, it'll just kill you like normal.
“Please, Dark Souls Gods, we do not wish to become a Bloodbornes!”
these videos always intrigue me so much.. i’ll be getting into this series as soon as i have some cash to spend
Literally years and someone finally explains what’s going on with the pilgrins. Thanks miss Witch!
Its amazing how much Zullie has grown! Deserved if you ask me :)
Love that I’m still learning new things about Souls games to this day thank you Zully ❤️
Never noticed before how similar the Angel Larvae are visually to the Orphan of Kos...
Please do Aldia. Who are the different voices in his speech before the boss fight?
I want to see aldia close up. In the artwork i easiely recognize the face and stuff but in game its just a big pile of whatever to me
@@mt2r-music me too
Aldia is a burning pile of doodoo as far as I can tell
@@Grandmaster-Kush ds2 spoiler
aldia just randomly appears, shoots some slow projectiles and then leaves again. Thats the final boss. No one knows what just happened and then you proceed to go to the throne lmao.
it was pretty cool fighting against these guys, with their unused attacks, in the cinders mod
The pan over to the angel at the end is really unsettling I love it
I swear to god ever since I discovered this channel this particular tune is just stuck in my head so often. It is so catchy lol
bless mother Izalith, and her beautiful children!
So you're implying that Pokemon isn't existentially horrifying?
@man with a username Another way to interpret it is that the whole pokedex is written by children, whom make up story or embellish them, like Magikarp can jump a 100 feed high or w/e, obviously written by a child that is in denial that it's a worthless thing.
@@spiritbx1337 Magikarp is based upon a real life legend about a carp that goes over a mountain by swimming up river and turns into a dragon
The Pokemon, lead by ASH KETCHUM FROM PALLET TOWN, have invaded, and are killing everything, except here comrade Pokémon. The resistance is making there final stand, with no hope against the million of beast, everywhere.
Oh god, it hasn’t been ten weeks, the Pokémon have almost defeated us, with little hope for humanity left, we may not make it to nightfall, I feel only we could fix this, and stop ASH KETCHUM FROM PALLET TOWN from catching them all, but he already did it, and now can use them for total initiation of the universe. I can now only hope they don’t no catch us all.
@man with a username For kids! 😃
-So, miyazaki, how much depression and sadness do you want in the souls games?
-yes
"They're doomed to turn into horrible monsters" Aren't we all?
Well now ya done it, now we gotta give all enemies and NPCs pokemon types.
Tarkus is steel/fighting.
Moonlight Butterfly is a thinker. Is it Flying/Psychic? Flying/Bug? Bug/Psychic? Am I on the wrong track with Psychic type?
Or what about Old Iron King? Probably Steel/Fire? Or maybe just Fire? Is that a lake of magma or molten steel?
What about Amygdala? Fairy/Psychic? Fairy/Dark? Dark/Psychic? I don't know why I wanna make Kin into Fairy types, I guess they're ethereal and arcane but also corporeal
Havel should probably be pure Rock, though. We could give him Fighting, but then, you could give _tons_ of characters Fighting by that logic, any NPC with a weapon really. Also gotta try to get some mono-types in there, they're important too
Go Artorias, I choose you!
Use Swords Dance!
Use Night Slash!
It's not very effective..
Maybe they carry these stones chained to their backs in an attempt to avoid transformation? Either weigh them down or to stop the tendrils/larvae stage from growing, until the rock is too damaged/loosened?
And wouldnt the transformation be Pilgrim-> Larvae -> butterfly? So the larvae isnt really an alternative final state, you just find them in the middle of the process?
They remind me of the Four Kings. Perhaps their transformation was similar, but complete.
it's great to hear some King's Field IV ost here, thanks
Honestly from a purely survival standpoint wouldn’t staying as a fairy dark be for the best
The Londor Growers in the Dreg Heap are referred to as pupa in the art-book I suspect they aren’t even done yet with their evolution yet probably waiting for the fire to fade or get absorbed.
Yes, flying is really nothing but adding a weakness to several elements. Dark/Fairy would be the better innate typing to have.
@@punishedbrak4255 being in constant flight may be a good way to avoid the abyss though
They get a crazy boost to special attack though, and a signature move to use it with
Hi Zullie!!! In Sekiro there is a cut Deathblow(one of the coolests by the way) that was in the demo that some people played before the game's launch, it's possible to restore it? And there is any other cut deathblow in the game files?
Can you link a video to the deathblow? I’m curious.
@@vgman94 at 2:28:30 in this video th-cam.com/video/Hvb6nJomuXM/w-d-xo.html
Probably because it took longer than the normal one
Watching this, only to turn around and see the full moon snuck around...
The big question here is WHY the hunchbacked fellas are turning into butterfly/angel monsters. It just... happens and nobody ever mentions it.
I always tought that they WANTED to turn into butterflies/angels and needed to die near Lothric for this to happen. I always saw this to be part of the Lothrics Angelic faith wich was secretly influenced by the Church of Londor.
such an interesting take
Can you do a video on the water in the No Mann Warf boss fight? I always wanted to know if the boat was sinking or the water in just the specific area rose up.
I was about to say it's the latter but thinking about that rn is very interesting because out of the bossfight it could really be going down the water and we can't see it maybe, cool thought of yours.
Damn... so interesting. Definitely one of your best videos yet, Zullie.
The style of your videos is great. I usually prefer spoken commentary in videos, but for dark souls this just feels right.
Thanks for all the amazing insights!
kinda curious what's under Dancer's helm, it's said in the description that the armor set is actually part of her body, so... does she even have a face?
So how do the two evolutions come about are two different conditions nessisary to become a angel or a butterfly?
Also how intelligent are the pilgrim butterfly? Are they sapient like they can control the dragonslayer armor so they must have some level of intelligence right?
Seems to be the concentration of Humanity/Dark Soul in the Ringed City, Gwyn having locked away a huge portion there "at the end of time", when everything begins to merge into a singularity within the flame, including the former pieces of the Dark Soul. Sapient maybe, but remember how animalistic and cannabalistic *everything* becomes when Saturated and Concentrated with Dark, even us, and things like Manus, the citizens of Oolacile, the Locusts, etc. This is because it is the very nature of the Dark Soul to seek itself out and consolidate itself, usually through eating or consumption of anothers "Humanity"/ Dark Soul.
To me it seems the Angels are a more "condensed" or consolidated version of the skeletal and tree-like Butterfly and the natural progression of what Londor Pilgrims would become if the World/Flame/Existence weren't in it's Death Throes by the time of DS3. Think of them as a more "complete" version of the skeletal Butterfly.
and here i thought nobody knew where pilgrim butterflies came from, u just blew my mind
I love it when you put in King's Field music! 👌
They want to avoid the "pus of man" branch of their evolution ,not the pilgrim butterflies.
The pilgrim butterflies are a step closer to the evolution for them to eventually be dragons.
If they stay "alive" and get the "pus of man" they will turn into snakes.
They want to achieve perfection, they don't want to be imperfect.
The "angels" pilgrims are the larvae phase of the pilgrim butterflies, I mean we see their empty husks and everything.
The dragons/wyverns at lothric castle have the pus of man in them, so they used to be human.
The first pilgrim butterfly we see at the dragon slayer armor looks similar to the dragons/wyverns we saw earlier.
Their armor is called the "clerics set" as well, so their whole worship is based around the idea of the shell in their back.
Also it is interesting that the "pus of man" is an abyss creature that comes from abyss corruption, the pilgrims come most likely from londo because there is a church there according to Yuria.
Londo is very heavily influenced by the abyss.
londor is not the same as anor londo or new londo. not to saw the rest of your analysis is wrong, but you seem to be conflating the cities in the two games. I know I certainly was before I looked it up.
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I am not confusing anything.
Londor and New londo are the same place.
The name changed a little through the years.
Same place, kind of different name.
Anor londo is in the boreal valley and almost nothing to do with this.
The head of the church of londo is Kathee from ds1 and Yuria mentions him in the game still as such.
Kathee was supposed to be the third phase of the twin princes boss fight before he became cut content for the game.
His statues are still in the main game in lothric castle after the dragon slayer armor fight.
The pilgrims are very much associated with Yuria as well.
@@TheReturnOfGeorgePingas there is nothing to absolutely prove your assertions, and in fact there is much evidence and speculation that lodor didnt exist before the beginning of ds3, but exists in the future of the dreg heap, ringed city, and end of the world.
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Those aren't my assertions, they are literally still in the game.
Kathee as a boss fight is confimed cut content.
There are literally statues of him still in the game today.
You can open up the game and check them.
Yuria screams "Kathee I failed thee.." when she dies and that is still in our current game today.
What else do you want as evidence to confirm the stuff I said ?
She literally names him and shows affinity for him.
Guess who was responsible for new londo in ds1?
Kathee.
Isn't it weird how an unrelated character from londor such as Yuria, as you claim, knows a character that is very known for his influence in New Londo?
Isn't it weird that both have the same goal, to find a new dark lord?
Isn't it weird that names of the places are almost identical as well?
There is zero evidence on the stuff you talk about though and I don't know from where you got those "evidences" and "speculations".
I suggest that you should just replay ds3 again in a role playthrough style.
Also Londor almost has nothing to do with the Dreg Heap, Ringed City or "the end of the world" area other than that they are full of abyss and are related somewhat to hollows.
Londor is an area that we don't see in the game.
Kind of like astora or other kingdoms in the previous games.
@@TheReturnOfGeorgePingas im aware of the references to kathe, but that isnt concrete evidence that the two cities are the same . google londo vs londor ds3 and you will see the things I'm talking about. you are way too sure of yourself in this game where very little is absolute. the original plot for ds3 is technically cut content, should we take that as cannon too?
Doesn’t the female Pilgrim in the Dreg Heap _want_ to become a butterfly? I could be misremembering dialogue, and I can’t be asked to reinstall DS3, but I thought she implied that’s what she wanted.
After she dies, which happens at a certain point regardless of if you kill her, there will be a non hostile angel floating over the Dreg Heap at her location. The suggestion is that she became that angel.
did not realize the butterflies were also pilgrims
did not realize the pilgrims' existence could get more sad
but i did appreciate the spaghetti arm
Everyone always gives (deserved) love to the videos, but I gotta shoutout the amazing soundtrack choices you pick - granted choosing Zelda and Kingsfield makes it easy as you can't go wrong with any of their tracks ;)