So hyped the Super Monarch made your top-2. I just bought one and I’m stoked. They also told me that they upgraded the controller and the suspension to RockShox. Gonna be a great rest of 2020 for me. Thanks for the reviews, Micah
Idk why they included the twin 500 motors when they now have the crown model which is twin 750 motors and it deliver 170 nm of torque. Same price as the first bike on their list for 4000 but they chose the 3500 super monarch model. Strange eh?
Great to see you recommend the "value for money" solutions, particularly the Frey models. I wished Frey would get a better U.S. distribution/shipping model.
4k isn't that expensive for the Frey, such nice components plus dual battery, it can basically be your personal transport in all situations plus lots of funs
Review the ariel rider model x, I want to buy it but im still skeptical because theres almost no videos about it. its got the best specs and features ive seen on a moped style e bike
Decent specs, mid-drive, and great brakes. A torque sensor would make this appeal to real high altitude enduro/downhill cyclists as a play toy. Much better than a fat tire cruiser which sends many seniors to the hospital. Here in Arizona, nearly 50% of seniors getting fat tire e-bikes make a trip to the hospital during first month of ownership.
Great review I am really looking forward to a review on the ecotric bison! Kind of wish they offered a version with dual 750w motors. I just got the ecotric sportcool that you did a review on a whle back. Got to say for 850 it is a great bike!
I have a Fiido L2 and I like it. Bike Direct has a few value e-bikes that have no reviews on TH-cam. I have a Motobecane bike and it is a great bike and super value.
It appears the handlebars on the Frey commuter cannot be aligned with the fork and front tire to be at precise 90 degrees. Does your test ride bike need an adjustment?
Regarding the ebike reviews, please include the retail price for all the bikes you are reviewing. It helps in planning cost considerations when shopping for an ebike, otherwise a nice overview of your ebike selections.
My favorite trails are 740 miles away. What rack would you recommend for a Monarch with the fat tires or a Fray Ex Pro, the latter which appears to be more of a functional bike? I called both companies, and no reply back. Problem is that companies like Trek and Specialized no longer want to get emails about product or support although both companies are pushing "support and service." Neither have either these days but want your $6K, plus for a decent bike. trek's website admits they do not have staff to reply to emails, and prefer calls. We've bought lots of Trek's thru the years, and their dealer network and Specialized going to more of an Internet model is turning people off. Even the Trek dealers do not know their own business (some of them). A dealer in Phoenix, Arizona has four stores, and I went to one - useless - and I tried email to located some which store several models were at given that all four stores share the same website inventory but do not tell you where the bikes are. What a turn off. I say it will be won by the company that can put out the best service and support model. A chimpanzee can assemble the bike - I know this because I trained them to operate computers at NASA.
hey, Micah, can you a make a video of the factory ebike maker or builders around USA by state. you know i prefer to buy in state is there an option. Even if its possible with some bikes trail.
This looks amazing - FREY CC. My concern is not Alibaba, but does it come with a warranty? HAs anyone on this thread bought one? or needed a warranty or no warranty support? its not a deal if there is no support.
@@Frack_Black He usually just tells it how it is regardless of his viewers' biased opinions. But I heard Freys were one of the few good things to come out of China, so I'm sure many nice things will be said about it.
@@j0epark1 ha, tongue in cheek when I said that. Mind you, I've done a lot of looking around before I laid down that much money and the freys are crazy value.
A bike shop told me that if you want to invest in an expensive bike you want to make sure it is up to date with technology. Not only parts, but also in the tires. I have an older bike with 26in. tires. I guess there is a push for larger tires, 27.5, or 29, if I wanted to invest in a bike to keep for 10+ years, and that I will continue to get parts for, I should look into bikes with the larger tires. Other than fat bikes, is that true that regular 26in tires will no longer be easily available? If so, if you could when doing a review, also include the tire size, and width, and weight of the bike as well as the difference in availability from the US vs other countries. Thanks Mo
@@bgate1984 The AM1000 has a pretty hefty battery too but the design and components are different. You can also opt for a single battery on the EX which I don't know if you can do that with the AM1000.
I ask myself how the fiddle can have 20 ah battery and the other bikes all struggle with lesser batteries: 20 ah should be the standard, if they can do it for 750, of course that you can do it for 2k plus
I am very interested in the Frey CC. As a heavier rider I am not sure a FS E-Bike is the best choice but sure would like to try it out. Any idea what the max weight capacity is for it? How does one purchase this bike if I live in the U.S. without paying huge shipping costs.
I haven't tried the C20 yet but there's one on the way and I'll post a review once it arrives and I test it. The closest bike so far I've tested (also a Chinese 20" folder) is the Fiido D11. I did a review here on Electrek in the past month and that was a nice e-bike. Not sure feature-rich, but good value and rides well.
continental-survivor The true value for money is buying the better quality stuff that will last and not require much maintenance. Will be cheaper overall and a more enjoyable ride as well. I think in places where people drive short distances and there is good public transport, people will start to realise that quality e-bikes (£5k or more) are cheap by comparison. In places where things are more spread out and public transport doesn’t exist it will be tough. But even there I think once self driving comes along it will happen there too.
Chris Till agreed, I just dropped 4K on an ebike. I think it makes sense over a 2k because it lasts years and I plan on riding a lot. Extra initial cost for greater overall experience
continental-survivor Exactly. But it also depends. My Dutch bike is not electric like my Riese & Muller and it’s just over a tenth of the price. But it’s still just as durable and perfect for riding short distances and leaving it outside. I love riding both of them.
Politicians are too lazy to introduce sensible laws for e-bikes. E-bikes need a speed limit of about 40 to 45 MPH so they are able to keep in the flow of normal motorised traffic flow. ESPECIALLY ON HILLS where an e-biker limited power to 15 MPH, is going to be reduced to 5 MPH up hills leading to a potentially DANGEROUS situation given the impatient, inconsiderate average motorist. Motorist are too stupid, too lazy or too fat to use e-bikes for local journeys. Politicians and most car drivers are too stupid to realise that the e-bikes WILL solve traffic congestion, obesity AND traffic pollution. THEY HATE CYLISTS ! EVEN THOUGH RIDING A BIKE IS UNCLUTERING THE ROADS AND PARKING SPACES. Imagine our cities where 90% of us are commuting across town by e-bike or e-biking to and from the train station. Trains can be easily adapted as necessary. Pollution levels and the gorgeous whether would return to the levels we all enjoyed during the Coronavirus lock down. Pitifully Obvious - unless you are a dumb politician. E-BIKE REGULATIONS NEED TO BE UPDATED. SCREEM, SHOUT and E-MAILS TO JOURNALIST - POLITICIANS AND MOTORIST. ( ie your mum and dad ) TOXINS from ever increasing motor vehicle use are poisoning us and our children. All of us are wasting thousands hours of valuable time in unproductive traffic congestion. The e-bike - tandem e-bikes - e bike trailers for the kids and shopping is our likely salvation ! E-bikes need regulations if they are to become the most popular form of commuter vehicle. Unfortunately Registration plates insurance and construction regulations for safety, similar to mop-heads will have to be adapted. Hub motors are too unstable at speeds above 30 MPH - Mid drive compulsory - Rim brakes wear out rapidly on faster e-bikes and are therefore dangerous - disc brakes should be compulsory for e-bikes - Compulsory -e-bike battery detachable to prevent theft and for recharging at work or destination with employers require by law to facilitate. Lockable anti-theft tracker system - compulsory. Speed limited by law to 45 MPH but with enough power to maintain that speed up most hills. Motorway lanes adapted and progressively widened to provide 45 MPH e-bike and e-recumbent bikes/trikes lanes where riders are three or four abreast from initially using only the emergency vehicle access lane. Truck lane 55 mph and car lanes 70 MPH. In Life the sensible are handicapped by the imbeciles. The most common accidents on motor bikes occurs when folks pull out in front of an approaching motor bike because the driver didn't see the motor bike which of course is bigger than an e-bike. I would strongly suggest fitting a LED head light which can be set higher in daylight preferably with a yellow cover to help the drivers see you approaching the junction. Bear in mind older drivers have poorer eyesight and much slower reactions. It's not much help being in the right if your dead. At night remove the coloured lens cover and lower the beam. We all need to scream at our idiot leaders in all countries to adjust legislation to make e-bikes more popular. The Laws in the UK are ridiculous. Most reasonably fit riders can easily exceed the 15 MPH limit without power assist but the same rider travelling above 15 MPH on a e-bike fitted with power assist EVEN if the power assist is not being engaged WILL BE BREAKING THE LAW. Failing to registrar the bike as a motor vehicle - no registration plate - no insurance - no motor vehicle lighting regulations - not wearing a full motor bike helmet etc................... Please copy and paste everywhere !
Fair warning: Mid drive motors tear up the drivetrain horribly. So you'll have to replace chains/gears all the time. Which is a royal pain in the butt if you've ever had to replace those
I haven't found that at all i have a 1500w Bafang BBSHD and put thousand of serious offroad kms into it. I put a chain tensioner on it to maintain tension all the time and that stops any shock loading going through the system. Keep your chain tight and you ll be fine has been my experience.
So hyped the Super Monarch made your top-2. I just bought one and I’m stoked. They also told me that they upgraded the controller and the suspension to RockShox. Gonna be a great rest of 2020 for me. Thanks for the reviews, Micah
I just bought the crown version a couple days ago
Idk why they included the twin 500 motors when they now have the crown model which is twin 750 motors and it deliver 170 nm of torque. Same price as the first bike on their list for 4000 but they chose the 3500 super monarch model. Strange eh?
@@TheRealFlyingAnt They included that version in a separate video. Look up their video about their top-5 Fat Tire E-bikes of 2020
Im thinking abt getting the minarch 1500, hekkin expensive, but I'd expect it to last a long while
Great to see you recommend the "value for money" solutions, particularly the Frey models. I wished Frey would get a better U.S. distribution/shipping model.
Links to Alibaba with crappy shipping ratings.
that would only increase costs. If you do the work you can get this bike at a great price
4k isn't that expensive for the Frey, such nice components plus dual battery, it can basically be your personal transport in all situations plus lots of funs
Did anyone else notice how green the grass is where this guy lives 😂
Oh yeh great review!
That metallic red and black Frey Cross Country has my vote.
Both Frey bikes are very nice. Love it.😁. Great video series.
Frey is very nice but only available from Alibaba. Good luck with that
lol
Good luck with what all the bikes are made in China.
@@spookmore bla bla but without quality control
@@spookmore No USA distributors
@@spookmore I like the bike, just not Alibaba. No support if a problem. It will take a month to get any parts. To be honest I'm still tempted.
Review the ariel rider model x, I want to buy it but im still skeptical because theres almost no videos about it. its got the best specs and features ive seen on a moped style e bike
Decent specs, mid-drive, and great brakes. A torque sensor would make this appeal to real high altitude enduro/downhill cyclists as a play toy. Much better than a fat tire cruiser which sends many seniors to the hospital. Here in Arizona, nearly 50% of seniors getting fat tire e-bikes make a trip to the hospital during first month of ownership.
Great review I am really looking forward to a review on the ecotric bison! Kind of wish they offered a version with dual 750w motors. I just got the ecotric sportcool that you did a review on a whle back. Got to say for 850 it is a great bike!
How are you filming as you ride?? Looks awesome
I have a Fiido L2 and I like it. Bike Direct has a few value e-bikes that have no reviews on TH-cam. I have a Motobecane bike and it is a great bike and super value.
Micah, has been a machine. Churning out an insane amount of content lately.
Thanks! I take breaks every now and again to go outside and ride :-)
@@Electrek You deserve the break after the series if top 5 vids.
@@Electrek You are The Man, and I hope to shake your hand someday.
475 chainstays are a bit long and the reach of 430 a bit short, on a med frame. I do hope more bikes become available with this motor though.
It appears the handlebars on the Frey commuter cannot be aligned with the fork and front tire to be at precise 90 degrees. Does your test ride bike need an adjustment?
Regarding the ebike reviews, please include the retail price for all the bikes you are reviewing. It helps in planning cost considerations when shopping for an ebike, otherwise a nice overview of your ebike selections.
My favorite trails are 740 miles away. What rack would you recommend for a Monarch with the fat tires or a Fray Ex Pro, the latter which appears to be more of a functional bike? I called both companies, and no reply back. Problem is that companies like Trek and Specialized no longer want to get emails about product or support although both companies are pushing "support and service." Neither have either these days but want your $6K, plus for a decent bike. trek's website admits they do not have staff to reply to emails, and prefer calls. We've bought lots of Trek's thru the years, and their dealer network and Specialized going to more of an Internet model is turning people off. Even the Trek dealers do not know their own business (some of them).
A dealer in Phoenix, Arizona has four stores, and I went to one - useless - and I tried email to located some which store several models were at given that all four stores share the same website inventory but do not tell you where the bikes are. What a turn off. I say it will be won by the company that can put out the best service and support model. A chimpanzee can assemble the bike - I know this because I trained them to operate computers at NASA.
hey, Micah, can you a make a video of the factory ebike maker or builders around USA by state. you know i prefer to buy in state is there an option. Even if its possible with some bikes trail.
What about Giant, Scott, Specialized, Trek? Are they out of business?
he only reviews job lot specials haha
1 Horsepower is right about 750watts so that Bafang M620 1500w motor is about the equivalent of 2 horsepower.
This looks amazing - FREY CC. My concern is not Alibaba, but does it come with a warranty? HAs anyone on this thread bought one? or needed a warranty or no warranty support? its not a deal if there is no support.
The Frey CC should at least turn the motor around to try and forward the crank.
What do you think of cyrusher e bikes?
Please review the quietkat Jeep ebike - thanks !
Will you be doing a separate full review of the Frey EX Pro at any stage?
Oh yes absolutely, consider this a teaser :-D
@@Electrek I've bought one you see, should have it next month. Say nice things about it. 😁
@@Frack_Black He usually just tells it how it is regardless of his viewers' biased opinions. But I heard Freys were one of the few good things to come out of China, so I'm sure many nice things will be said about it.
@@j0epark1 ha, tongue in cheek when I said that. Mind you, I've done a lot of looking around before I laid down that much money and the freys are crazy value.
Nice ebike review for full suspension and throttled ones....how about some with carbon fiber belt drive systems American made ones
How much fat tire e bike color blue
Thanks Jedi
What about the Biktrix Ultra FS?
A bike shop told me that if you want to invest in an expensive bike you want to make sure it is up to date with technology. Not only parts, but also in the tires. I have an older bike with 26in. tires.
I guess there is a push for larger tires, 27.5, or 29, if I wanted to invest in a bike to keep for 10+ years, and that I will continue to get parts for, I should look into bikes with the larger tires.
Other than fat bikes, is that true that regular 26in tires will no longer be easily available?
If so, if you could when doing a review, also include the tire size, and width, and weight of the bike as well as the difference in availability from the US vs other countries. Thanks Mo
What so you think about Nireeka Prime? I’m thinking to bay one.
I wish fuell flluid had full suspension
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Can you do a review of the Frey EX? I saw your AM1000 and would love to see the EX.
Oh yeaaaaa, it's coming! :-)
@@Electrek YES!
Is the EX just the same as the am1000 but with ability for extra battery mounted on frame?
@@bgate1984 The AM1000 has a pretty hefty battery too but the design and components are different. You can also opt for a single battery on the EX which I don't know if you can do that with the AM1000.
@@envisionlab you cant the ex is the only frey with dual battery extended range. AM1000 only has one battery nearly 900watt capacity
Nice video
is C-Cell legit? the website looks sketchy to me
Don't You mean for Late Fall -??? I just waited 65 days for an Ebike to reach Me after order.
How about NCM or VALK?
FYI: The Frey CC is $2,980 and must be purchased at Alibaba.
I ask myself how the fiddle can have 20 ah battery and the other bikes all struggle with lesser batteries: 20 ah should be the standard, if they can do it for 750, of course that you can do it for 2k plus
Hey do an updated 1000 edition! will you?
Sur-Ron X?
I will get an electric Bike when I save my money. E Bikes are life savers. Don't have to pedal as much.
I am very interested in the Frey CC. As a heavier rider I am not sure a FS E-Bike is the best choice but sure would like to try it out. Any idea what the max weight capacity is for it? How does one purchase this bike if I live in the U.S. without paying huge shipping costs.
May I ask your weight？
@@ceciliali6640 280lbs
just wait untill you try a hight power middrive. 3-7kw
Sadly no local shop in Germany sells and repairs bikes like these...
the M2S can have dual battery?
Do u recommend any bike from china? How about himo c26 and c20..
I haven't tried the C20 yet but there's one on the way and I'll post a review once it arrives and I test it. The closest bike so far I've tested (also a Chinese 20" folder) is the Fiido D11. I did a review here on Electrek in the past month and that was a nice e-bike. Not sure feature-rich, but good value and rides well.
Have a look at Delfast. (I Own a Prime 2.0) awesome
Not mid drive: useless to jump
Blake Turner fair point, if that’s your thing. I use mine for commuting, 200km a week. Fast and comfortable
It's all good having huge torque, but it will wear out the drive train real quick 😔
Does the Frey have a throttle?
Yes，the throttle on the left of handbar
So basically the top ones for people who don’t want the good stuff.
Explain?
continental-survivor The true value for money is buying the better quality stuff that will last and not require much maintenance. Will be cheaper overall and a more enjoyable ride as well.
I think in places where people drive short distances and there is good public transport, people will start to realise that quality e-bikes (£5k or more) are cheap by comparison. In places where things are more spread out and public transport doesn’t exist it will be tough. But even there I think once self driving comes along it will happen there too.
Chris Till agreed, I just dropped 4K on an ebike. I think it makes sense over a 2k because it lasts years and I plan on riding a lot. Extra initial cost for greater overall experience
continental-survivor Exactly. But it also depends. My Dutch bike is not electric like my Riese & Muller and it’s just over a tenth of the price. But it’s still just as durable and perfect for riding short distances and leaving it outside. I love riding both of them.
These bikes are still way . . . waaaay to expensive !!!
Do swag cycle
good
But mountain bike trails here ban e bikes so ...
You make a lot of videos. I can't keep up!
I have something better.My ebike is mid drive planetary 6000w motor.
You mean your top 5 ebikes is not may top 5 ebike
Top 5??? Your having a laugh
Politicians are too lazy to introduce sensible laws for e-bikes.
E-bikes need a speed limit of about 40 to 45 MPH so they are able to
keep in the flow of normal motorised traffic flow. ESPECIALLY ON
HILLS where an e-biker limited power to 15 MPH, is going to be
reduced to 5 MPH up hills leading to a potentially DANGEROUS
situation given the impatient, inconsiderate average motorist.
Motorist are too stupid, too lazy or too fat to use e-bikes for local
journeys. Politicians and most car drivers are too stupid to realise
that the e-bikes WILL solve traffic congestion, obesity AND traffic pollution.
THEY HATE CYLISTS ! EVEN THOUGH RIDING A BIKE IS UNCLUTERING THE
ROADS AND PARKING SPACES.
Imagine our cities where 90% of us are commuting across town by e-bike or
e-biking to and from the train station. Trains can be easily adapted
as necessary. Pollution levels and the gorgeous whether would return
to the levels we all enjoyed during the Coronavirus lock down.
Pitifully Obvious - unless you are a dumb politician. E-BIKE REGULATIONS NEED TO BE UPDATED.
SCREEM, SHOUT and E-MAILS TO JOURNALIST - POLITICIANS AND MOTORIST. (
ie your mum and dad ) TOXINS from ever increasing motor vehicle use
are poisoning us and our children. All of us are wasting thousands
hours of valuable time in unproductive traffic congestion. The e-bike
- tandem e-bikes - e bike trailers for the kids and shopping is our
likely salvation !
E-bikes need regulations if they are to become the most popular form of
commuter vehicle. Unfortunately Registration plates insurance and
construction regulations for safety, similar to mop-heads will have
to be adapted. Hub motors are too unstable at speeds above 30 MPH -
Mid drive compulsory - Rim brakes wear out rapidly on faster e-bikes and are therefore dangerous
- disc brakes should be compulsory for e-bikes - Compulsory -e-bike battery
detachable to prevent theft and for recharging at work
or destination with employers require by law to facilitate. Lockable
anti-theft tracker system - compulsory.
Speed limited by law to 45 MPH but with enough power to maintain that
speed up most hills. Motorway lanes adapted and progressively widened to provide 45 MPH e-bike and
e-recumbent bikes/trikes lanes where riders are three or four abreast
from initially using only the emergency vehicle access lane. Truck
lane 55 mph and car lanes 70 MPH.
In Life the sensible are handicapped by the imbeciles. The most common
accidents on motor bikes occurs when folks pull out in front of an
approaching motor bike because the driver didn't see the motor bike
which of course is bigger than an e-bike. I would strongly suggest
fitting a LED head light which can be set higher in daylight
preferably with a yellow cover to help the drivers see you
approaching the junction. Bear in mind older drivers have poorer
eyesight and much slower reactions. It's not much help being in the
right if your dead. At night remove the coloured lens cover and lower
the beam. We all need to scream at our idiot leaders in all countries
to adjust legislation to make e-bikes more popular. The Laws in the
UK are ridiculous. Most reasonably fit riders can easily exceed the
15 MPH limit without power assist but the same rider travelling above
15 MPH on a e-bike fitted with power assist EVEN if the power assist
is not being engaged WILL BE BREAKING THE LAW. Failing to registrar
the bike as a motor vehicle - no registration plate - no insurance -
no motor vehicle lighting regulations - not wearing a full motor bike
helmet etc................... Please copy and paste everywhere !
Fair warning: Mid drive motors tear up the drivetrain horribly. So you'll have to replace chains/gears all the time.
Which is a royal pain in the butt if you've ever had to replace those
I haven't found that at all i have a 1500w Bafang BBSHD and put thousand of serious offroad kms into it. I put a chain tensioner on it to maintain tension all the time and that stops any shock loading going through the system. Keep your chain tight and you ll be fine has been my experience.
Come on! Fiido should be out of this list...a joke
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