If they want eMTB to flourish, make them affordable first.. it’s not about an arms race of who’s the one that can make the most expensive bike but this is about the community, cheers to these companies that do this..
Exactly I'm completely put off by the bike industry and their promoters like MBR expecting everyone to throw thousands at a bike. It's now the playground of the elites
I agree the tech is there to make a decent eMTB for 2k but the big manufacturers have the bike press at their whim persuading people you need to spend 6k plus
There needs to be more videos like this. It just opens the door to most people who are considering getting an ebke. I would love to see a round-up of the entry level bikes
@@rross27 hes just stating the currency that is relevant to his country, why are you americans so offended by everything, USD is not everyones currency! Dont see me raging because he didnt give me the price in AUD?
@@lexushughes1745 I'm talking about "including" US dollars concerning prices. Its a legitimate concern because many Americans might be interested in buying one. And who's, "raging" other than you Mr. exclamation point?
I have the "acoustic" version with pedal power and I love it. Same deal though, tires are bad (1st upgrade) and the wheels themselves feel heavy, but my friends have ridden it comparing to their more expensive bikes and they say that the aggressive angles make descents fun. However, climbs feel like a slog (problem solved with a motor I guess).
@@StagWithLag nice, they’ve been making some great bang for bucks bikes recently! Ended up ordering two yamahas recently though due to a 40% price drop. Feels like a steal, so hope it performs
@niklasmedk you can't agree with 40% off, plus the bike looks awesome. On occasion I miss my 27.5 wheels, they made the bike more playful. The 29ers help my crappy skills
I bought a Yamaha Moro 7 at the blow out pricing and wished I had bought at least one more. It really is a nice and really 32:53 FUN e-bike compared to my other “high end” E-bikes. The Yamaha is head and shoulders above my other two.
I bought a barely you used 2019 giant trance E pro and got it for half price and the components are what sold me. Giant always goes with high end components and the peddle assist is amazing and climbs hills like a boss and eats up the rock gardens with ease and i can go through yhe trails 2 -3 times faster eith the peddle assist compared to a regular bike. I will never go back. Getting a great workout and getting through the trails with so much more ease. I smile the entire way through my rides. Perfect bike
I took the time to test Moro07 and it is great bike. I spent a few hours on the bike to realise the difference between a good bike and an affordable. Yamaha Moro 07 I’d just streets ahead of the other bike I looked at and for the price I paid it was a no brainer. I have taken the bike to bits and lubricated all three moving parts ( out the factory it’s dry) removed all the cables and re routed them, ( the motor harness and speed sensor harness is too long and this was interfering with the dropper post operation. I have also changed to run a 29er up front and I honestly say I night and day difference in the ride handling and the speed it carries is incredible. The balance and the weight shift to the back of the bike just makes it feel so agile. Down side of this bike ( for me battery size and weight) 500 watts and4.8 kg. For the battery so to carry a second in a back pack is difficult for long days out. I managed to 68 miles on one battery I’m 69kg fully loaded with kit. My girlfriend has the same bike as well and uses every day for work and leisure activities at the weekend she has clocked up 750+miles in just a few months and the only maintenance is chain cleaning and lubricants. As far as I know they have sold out of the bikes in the uk for a few months but that might’ve changed since but if you are near a Yamaha bike dealer / showroom and you want to get an e-bike get down there and get a test ride on one,
Hi! I Have same bike! I've also thought about changing the 29 front end. Which fork you bought and have you liked it? And did you make any changes to stem?
@@katovittugooglesta hi So I went for an RFX 36 160mm travel, nice and light as the front of the bike is quite heavy as stock and the it has 44 offset and 2° on the head tube makes the bike longer by 57mm and I can get right over the front for cornering
I was one of those people hating on e-bikes. I had lung cancer at 32 and was left with decreased lung capacity. I still ride my Kona Process. When riding with friends they are usually waiting for me at the top of the hill. That’s where I see the benefits for someone like me. So now I’m looking into possibly adding a e-bike so when riding I don’t feel like I’m holding back the group.
Great video. Now please do a round up of emtb hardtails that are under 2500. Radon, Cube, Ghost, canyon, mondraker. They all have great e hardtails but nobody does reviews on them
We’re not big fans of ebike hardtails for proper mountain biking. They’re fine for fire roads and dirt tracks, but too cumbersome and uncomfortable on anything more serious. Decathlon actually has a cheaper version of the E-Expl for around £2.5k which looks decent.
They are getting paid to plug expensive bikes and don't seem to realise that most of us aren't pro riders that need to go as fast as possible. I've had plenty of fun on cheap bikes
I actually agree with not using a emtb hardtail for anything but fire roads and light trails/dirt tracks. Borrrowed a Trek powerfly HT for a week and it was aweful on normal trails, too heavy at the rear end to be able to control over certain terrain, uncomfortable is an understatement! Long dirt trails and fire roads though were great!
radon and cube are only cheap for europeans and mostly when on sale, it's not a relevant comparison more like if you can find them cheap buy them Cubes are sold like 2000-3000+ than europe price in the US and Australia pretty much double the € price
zero reason to ride a hardtail in 2024 1) just get lockable fork and shock and it's perfectly fine, I did 87km 1252m D+ (54miles 4100ft not my record btw) on a fully suspended muscular mtb and I'm 220lbs most of those ascents are 8% to 20% slopes that's Tour de France mountain pass hard lock isn't 100% firm but less than a pinky finger thickness of pumping isn't really noticeable with slow rebound 2) hardtail does not work on emtbs at all you must use different sitting arms body positions as your no1 goal is to push the rear wheel as much as possible against the ground and having a suspended rear is mandatory for that, I rented 2 hardtails the last 3 years and they do not work your rear wheel slips and you end up pushing a very heavy bike up, the only reason they still exist is to cut cost nothing else, find a how to ride emtb tutorial and it'll become clear why hardtail emtb make no sense, I watched one before renting the last fully suspended emtb and did 5813ft 1772m ascent easy most of it in ECO mode actually, it started freezing (2277m 7470ft summit) so I cut short but had 25% battery left because I didn't waste it doing burnouts like on the hardtails
Their website says that they created the first e-bike in 1993. "The electrically power-assisted bicycle, or "e-Bike," today has grown into a mobility category expected to boast some 40 million units in global annual sales in 2023, but it was Yamaha Motor that pioneered the first e-Bike back in 1993."
I have rockrider e expl520s for 11month it is great ebike. I just replace almost all parts(all parts was used from my old bike). just frame, dropper post and electronic parts are original 😊suspension changed to 150/160😊😊 love the frame and 500wh battery is ok I have 95kg for 30km I used around 40% of battery in hills terrain when I used 1 and 2 mode
Nice Test with great affordable eBikes! Cool that you tested the Decathlon's. They have quite some interesting bikes in their stores. And if discounted they are best bang for your buck. Also they have the buy back/reby option, which nobody else has.
Great vid - good to see some cheaper emtb getting some coverage . Not a lot of people can afford or justify £5k plus bikes . Where are those trials - nice shaped berm !
Waiting to receive a Moro, paid $1900 USD. Appears all the Yamaha suspension models utilize the same frame with different component levels. Will use it for less aggressive trail and leisure riding. For my use, I prefer the older control/display module. Currently I don't see any more Yamaha bikes at the recent sale price on their website, but certain dealers may have stock. Thanks to @barrygoh5840 for recommending checking lubrication pivots and for your suggestions to try.
@@Kx0195 best choice i ever made ; so much fun riding it! You can make rides of 70/80 km pure single track in eco/std mode with hills and big climbs. I did put a maxxis assegai up front for more grip, and run with low pressure around 140psi in rear shock for more comfort.
Good stuff guys! My critique of all of your reviews would be to always mention if a bike doesn't have headset cable routing and highlight that as a huge feature and vice versa to bikes that have it and loudly call them out for it.... the larger MTB media like yourselves needs to help get the message out to the incompetent frame designers out there so this ridiculous kool fad disappears on their next frame release. We consumers can speak with our wallet to drive it home.
Did you listen to the reasons? Obviously we gave it the win, but if you’re considering any of these bikes and find those issues too much of a risk, just buy one of the other models.
I ordered the moro 07 yesterday $2786 total with tax and all. I could not find even a used ebike for less than that. And it will be with a free extra battery. . The entry level moro is $2000 before tax and free extra battery also.
Thanks for the video I'm at the age where I definitely need an ebike. I'm wanting the Yamaha but they are sold out because they got a great sell on them right now
I was lucky enough to own a Santa Cruz Heckler and the Yamaha at the same time, ended up selling the Santa Cruz and Keeping the Yamaha, it's an awesome bike and i'm always surprised at how little respect it gets.
On the 1st bike, the 11/43 cassette was an advantage because you could pedal it if the battery went out, but on the second bike, the 11/43 cassette "wasn't appropriate on an e-bike" because you need to pedal it when the battery goes out? What am I missing?
peak power and torque depend on your use I rented a bosch gen4 750wh last month for a 5813ft alpine mountains ascent and wished it had less assistance in tour (1st real assist mode after eco) as tour over-helped going uphill trying to go 15mph when I was fine at 7mph enjoying the views and less torque on emtb (eco-tour-emtb-turbo) as either it tried to backflip me or even the 2.6" rear wheel slipped..that said on Bosch you can actually tune power and torque (just not on my rental) I rented an emtb to known what I wanted from them what worked or not on them for my specific usage and I can only recommend you do the same
Regarding the Suntour Aion fork it basically only requires lower leg services. The damper is a sealed unit so if it stops working you just screw in a new one. Means that most people will be able to do it themselves without special suspension tools or knowledge.
i have a trek Roscoe 7 because i got it for FREE FROM A GUY in perfect condition or i NEVER thought of having one, needed a $20 shifter and upgraded $100 BUCKS COST.....i put on a royal Italian comfy seat and nicer grips and aluminum peddles and a riser on and use it as a CASUAL CRUISER ....HEY IT WAS FREE....! I have tons of trails and quiet safe tourist places to putts around for casual EXERCISE.....
I reakon the yamaha would have to be a fun bike with the 27.5 and lower weight I seen 1 on the trail here few weeks ago looked good too Also in Oz yamaha does 1% finance
A 10k eeb should include full gps mapping capabilites with Strava integration in the computer. Plus it should be removable for use while hiking, walking, running, kayaking, etc. The suspension should be 100% top of the line. The battery should last all year without a charge. I'm not asking for much at 10k.
A used GT Aggressor from the 80's with rocksox suspension and the old rubber brake pads used one for a year and a half during covid for work only had to change the pedals as they wore out i was doing up hill every day. dont spend silly money on a bike you will ride thru winter in snow and ice. And disk brakes add weight to a bike with alot of maintenance
Yamaha has a ridiculous sale going on right now. They're bikes are like 60% off or more right now. For commuting I would look at the Wabash rt or the crosscore rc. Both are on sell for less than half price and come with an extra battery and extended 5 year warranty. 28mph top speed, hydraulic brakes, great bikes for the money.
pro tip, absolutely all brands including Specialized go cheap on fork and suspension 1st as going down in range on them HALVES their price, massive savings for bike companies it's literally 1200->600->300->150 ->75 so the budget smart thing to do is buy a cheaper bike then upgrade fork and shock later, just check before buying if they don't use weird proprietary fixtures or sizes, that's how my 8 year old 2'500 muscular mtb looks like a 10'000 bike of 2024
Maybe one day you’ll be riding reds? Hardtails are pretty uncomfortable too - doesn’t take much in the way of bumps to make for an unpleasant experience.
Polygon actually owns a factory and makes bikes for other brands. We’re not sure if that includes the two brands you mention, but Polygon definitely makes its own bikes.
@@MBRmagazine It’s actually pretty interesting to know, maybe a video listing all the brands that share a frame manufacturer would be helpful for people when considering their next purchase?
Polygon owns Marin (acquired a couple of years ago), and some of Marin's latest products are built in Polygon's factory. One product I can mention right now is the sisters, Polygon Xquare One and Marin Wolf Ridge. Both have identical looks and specs but came in different colors only (maybe). But, I don't quite know about Whyte.
@kochenksantuy8396 Jon Whyte used to design frames for Marin in the late 90s, I remember the shared suspension layout Polygon and Marin used 5-10 years ago now. It got some good reviews, but its looks were too polarising for people to want to buy it. Thanks for the reminder! 👍🏻
My Decathlon eMTB cassette and chain wore out in the first 400 miles, although perfectly cared for and lubricated and only ridden on smooth tracks... Decathlon refused to replace these although the bike was 12 weeks into a two year warranty....do not buy!
In Australia the Yamaha sells for $8999 AU or ₤4445, the Polygon is $4999 AU or ₤2469 from bikesonline, so it looks like a bargain compared to the others on this test,
So buy a £1000 hub drive ebike instead and see how far that gets you. Not too far I’d wager. These bikes are good value considering they have similar technology to brands that sell £15k bikes and will do pretty much anything the expensive ones will do too!
When Privateer are selling the E-161 at £3999 most days. how would you say they stack up against it? Very similar Spec to the Polygon, with better suspension, Have to says i'd rather give £4k to Privateer than Go Outdoors.
@georgehanson2978 that's not entirely true. They're only discontinuing sales in the U.S. market. They'll still honor full service, parts and warranty on all units sold here in the USA.
I really wish people stopped comparing bikes you can only get on sale and that have very limited availability sometimes a single day to the regular market, especially since those prices only work for europeans a 5000$ cube is 10'000 in the US and 15'000 in AU at least start with "IF and WHEN you can get it on sale and IF you live in the right country" instead of saying "you made a bad choice because you bought what is actually available to you" except it's not I waited too long my sizes on sale are all gone the next comparable bike is now 2000€ more, this is not a video about waiting for the correct season and time to buy a bike or ebike and where to get the best deals
Sorry for not predicting future stock levels for every specific model, guessing which bikes would be discounted and by how much, and covering bikes available in every single potential market that someone viewing the video might live in. We’ll try harder next time.
I strapped a cyc photon to a specialised fuse comp. All up $4k AUD with a 52v 20ah battery. Way more power and torque then these at i lower price point.
I just bought a Focus Jam2 6.7 for £3k on the nose. Bosch CX / Shimano Deore / DVO upfront and Rockshox in the rear / rolling on Maxxis dh's - it craps on the Decathlon offering from a great height tbh
@@MBRmagazineMust be - latest model though. Purchased from the electric bike shop. Also bought it through cycle2work so will only end up paying about £2k
I’ve a 2021 Giant stance e+ 3pro. Massively different spec than the one shown here - o rings yes, Shimano 4 pot brakes 10-51 12 speed gearing - the one reviewed is nothing like what you can get on an “affordable “ electric Stance
every year manufacturers either keep the price the same but downgrade components or raise the price for equivalent or better specs, they have been doing that for the last 15 years pretty much until the emtb market "reset" made (some of) them lower their prices on regular mtbs a decade ago I bought for 2300USD a full shimano xt mtb every single existing XT part was on it
AFFORDABLE lol cheapest ebike 3k and describing 6.5k bikes as entry level in another video the bike industry and their promoters are completely deluded as to what affordable means
There are a ton of good e-bikes you can get for way less than these with just as good components and quality without the brand and road and mountain bike pedigree. That’s what you’re paying for here.
I payed £2500 for a cube stereo hpc 750 brand new . Better value by a mile than all these bikes. Shimano deore, magura mt thirty, Shimano domain 160 , carbon Frame......
None of them. A DIY e-bike is far cheaper to build and you can start out with a much better base bicycle. I converted both my Cannodale Trail Six and Milwaukee gravel bikes and they are now awesome e-machines and faster and more powerful than EU regulated bikes.
@EmotoOregon All true, but this was an educational video. My TH-cam Channel shows my bikes and plenty of rides, they work well and my old knees are happier too! I just passed 1650 km on the new Cannondale, 25,000 on the Milwaukee, no problems and its very hilly in this area of Spain.
@@fredEVOIX if you buy a cheap ass battery you get what you get. There's nothing wrong with Panasonic or Samsung batteries and they're probably the same ones in the high-priced spread. I will grant you not everyone is smart enough to build their own e-bike.
I wouldn't even spend 3K on a motorbike getting blasted by 40 MPH winds at 70 MPH is cool but not 40 MPH winds at top speed 15 MPH in the freezing winter 🤣🤣 and they pick the best bike as the one that broke
If they want eMTB to flourish, make them affordable first.. it’s not about an arms race of who’s the one that can make the most expensive bike but this is about the community, cheers to these companies that do this..
Greed of the shareholders
Exactly I'm completely put off by the bike industry and their promoters like MBR expecting everyone to throw thousands at a bike. It's now the playground of the elites
@@adrianhrusca4067by shareholders do you mean pension funds?
Some of them go for like $10,000! Ill buy a RZR 1000 at that price tag
I agree the tech is there to make a decent eMTB for 2k but the big manufacturers have the bike press at their whim persuading people you need to spend 6k plus
There needs to be more videos like this. It just opens the door to most people who are considering getting an ebke. I would love to see a round-up of the entry level bikes
Well done for reviewing bikes that ordinary people can afford.
Cheers!
ordinary people on minimum wage ?
If you refuse to state prices in US dollars I'm not watching your videos... That just seems rude... and deliberate.
@@rross27 hes just stating the currency that is relevant to his country, why are you americans so offended by everything, USD is not everyones currency! Dont see me raging because he didnt give me the price in AUD?
@@lexushughes1745 I'm talking about "including" US dollars concerning prices. Its a legitimate concern because many Americans might be interested in buying one. And who's, "raging" other than you Mr. exclamation point?
Dropped battery, blown shock. Lets give it the win! 🧐
I have the "acoustic" version with pedal power and I love it. Same deal though, tires are bad (1st upgrade) and the wheels themselves feel heavy, but my friends have ridden it comparing to their more expensive bikes and they say that the aggressive angles make descents fun. However, climbs feel like a slog (problem solved with a motor I guess).
@@StagWithLag nice, they’ve been making some great bang for bucks bikes recently!
Ended up ordering two yamahas recently though due to a 40% price drop. Feels like a steal, so hope it performs
@niklasmedk you can't agree with 40% off, plus the bike looks awesome. On occasion I miss my 27.5 wheels, they made the bike more playful. The 29ers help my crappy skills
I bought a Yamaha Moro 7 at the blow out pricing and wished I had bought at least one more. It really is a nice and really 32:53 FUN e-bike compared to my other “high end” E-bikes. The Yamaha is head and shoulders above my other two.
I bought a barely you used 2019 giant trance E pro and got it for half price and the components are what sold me. Giant always goes with high end components and the peddle assist is amazing and climbs hills like a boss and eats up the rock gardens with ease and i can go through yhe trails 2 -3 times faster eith the peddle assist compared to a regular bike. I will never go back. Getting a great workout and getting through the trails with so much more ease. I smile the entire way through my rides. Perfect bike
Glad you’re enjoying it! 👍
I just bought a gasgas Enduro 1.0 new for $3000 canadian including tax. Ive been having a blast on it.
I bought a gasgas trail 3 for $3750 Canadian and have put 1500km on it this year been great bike.
The trail 3 has fox factory forks and shock which is crazy for that price.
The gasgas bikes haven't been getting tge coverage they deserve especially after the price cuts.
That Yamaha spec is stunning.
The price on the Yamaha is also stunning. I just ordered mine for under $3k today.
@@2001redz28 Can you tell me where you bought it?
Yamaha website@@prutje
On Yamaha website in USA
I took the time to test Moro07 and it is great bike. I spent a few hours on the bike to realise the difference between a good bike and an affordable.
Yamaha Moro 07 I’d just streets ahead of the other bike I looked at and for the price I paid it was a no brainer.
I have taken the bike to bits and lubricated all three moving parts ( out the factory it’s dry) removed all the cables and re routed them, ( the motor harness and speed sensor harness is too long and this was interfering with the dropper post operation.
I have also changed to run a 29er up front and I honestly say I night and day difference in the ride handling and the speed it carries is incredible. The balance and the weight shift to the back of the bike just makes it feel so agile.
Down side of this bike ( for me battery size and weight) 500 watts and4.8 kg. For the battery so to carry a second in a back pack is difficult for long days out. I managed to 68 miles on one battery I’m 69kg fully loaded with kit.
My girlfriend has the same bike as well and uses every day for work and leisure activities at the weekend she has clocked up 750+miles in just a few months and the only maintenance is chain cleaning and lubricants.
As far as I know they have sold out of the bikes in the uk for a few months but that might’ve changed since but if you are near a Yamaha bike dealer / showroom and you want to get an e-bike get down there and get a test ride on one,
Great insight. Thanks for the comment and glad you’re enjoying the bike 👍
Hi! I Have same bike! I've also thought about changing the 29 front end. Which fork you bought and have you liked it? And did you make any changes to stem?
@@katovittugooglesta hi So I went for an RFX 36 160mm travel, nice and light as the front of the bike is quite heavy as stock and the it has 44 offset and 2° on the head tube makes the bike longer by 57mm and I can get right over the front for cornering
Nice! Thanks mate
@barrygoh5840 What parts did you lubricate? All pivot points of rear triangle?
I was one of those people hating on e-bikes. I had lung cancer at 32 and was left with decreased lung capacity. I still ride my Kona Process. When riding with friends they are usually waiting for me at the top of the hill. That’s where I see the benefits for someone like me. So now I’m looking into possibly adding a e-bike so when riding I don’t feel like I’m holding back the group.
Great video. Now please do a round up of emtb hardtails that are under 2500. Radon, Cube, Ghost, canyon, mondraker. They all have great e hardtails but nobody does reviews on them
We’re not big fans of ebike hardtails for proper mountain biking. They’re fine for fire roads and dirt tracks, but too cumbersome and uncomfortable on anything more serious. Decathlon actually has a cheaper version of the E-Expl for around £2.5k which looks decent.
They are getting paid to plug expensive bikes and don't seem to realise that most of us aren't pro riders that need to go as fast as possible. I've had plenty of fun on cheap bikes
I actually agree with not using a emtb hardtail for anything but fire roads and light trails/dirt tracks.
Borrrowed a Trek powerfly HT for a week and it was aweful on normal trails, too heavy at the rear end to be able to control over certain terrain, uncomfortable is an understatement!
Long dirt trails and fire roads though were great!
radon and cube are only cheap for europeans and mostly when on sale, it's not a relevant comparison more like if you can find them cheap buy them
Cubes are sold like 2000-3000+ than europe price in the US and Australia pretty much double the € price
zero reason to ride a hardtail in 2024 1) just get lockable fork and shock and it's perfectly fine, I did 87km 1252m D+ (54miles 4100ft not my record btw) on a fully suspended muscular mtb and I'm 220lbs most of those ascents are 8% to 20% slopes that's Tour de France mountain pass hard lock isn't 100% firm but less than a pinky finger thickness of pumping isn't really noticeable with slow rebound 2) hardtail does not work on emtbs at all you must use different sitting arms body positions as your no1 goal is to push the rear wheel as much as possible against the ground and having a suspended rear is mandatory for that, I rented 2 hardtails the last 3 years and they do not work your rear wheel slips and you end up pushing a very heavy bike up, the only reason they still exist is to cut cost nothing else, find a how to ride emtb tutorial and it'll become clear why hardtail emtb make no sense, I watched one before renting the last fully suspended emtb and did 5813ft 1772m ascent easy most of it in ECO mode actually, it started freezing (2277m 7470ft summit) so I cut short but had 25% battery left because I didn't waste it doing burnouts like on the hardtails
Yamaha didnt just come in, they were one of the early pioneers of ebikes.
Their website says that they created the first e-bike in 1993.
"The electrically power-assisted bicycle, or "e-Bike," today has grown into a mobility category expected to boast some 40 million units in global annual sales in 2023, but it was Yamaha Motor that pioneered the first e-Bike back in 1993."
I have rockrider e expl520s for 11month it is great ebike. I just replace almost all parts(all parts was used from my old bike). just frame, dropper post and electronic parts are original 😊suspension changed to 150/160😊😊 love the frame and 500wh battery is ok I have 95kg for 30km I used around 40% of battery in hills terrain when I used 1 and 2 mode
Thanks for sharing! Glad you’re enjoying it.
Went with Yamaha because I like 27.5. Don't own a single bike with 29" rear and never will.
Get the giant stance E+1 Pro, with syncDrive Pro with 85 nm and 800 watt battery all for about 4k, plus Giant numerous retail locations😅
Nice Test with great affordable eBikes! Cool that you tested the Decathlon's. They have quite some interesting bikes in their stores. And if discounted they are best bang for your buck. Also they have the buy back/reby option, which nobody else has.
Thanks! Yeah the buy back scheme is cool.
Cool to see the decathlon score so well.
Now what would it take to turn the Rockrider from a good bike to a great bike?
I’d start with the brakes and tyres.
Or just buy one if their better ones without the own brand parts.
Great vid - good to see some cheaper emtb getting some coverage . Not a lot of people can afford or justify £5k plus bikes .
Where are those trials - nice shaped berm !
Thanks! Trails are BikePark Wales, Surrey Hills, and Forest of Dean area.
So since the Yamaha is now 2599usd would that take first? Could you go 29 fork and put a 150 shock on it?
I’ve been thinking about this as well. Hade ordered two moro’s
Will ser if I can get hold of a 29 front end and try it out.
Is this discount applicable within the EU or can you ship from the US?
@@sugs1258 I’m based in sweden so it was a EU discount. Not sure if it’s still availlable though
Waiting to receive a Moro, paid $1900 USD. Appears all the Yamaha suspension models utilize the same frame with different component levels. Will use it for less aggressive trail and leisure riding. For my use, I prefer the older control/display module. Currently I don't see any more Yamaha bikes at the recent sale price on their website, but certain dealers may have stock. Thanks to @barrygoh5840 for recommending checking lubrication pivots and for your suggestions to try.
Yeah, Yamaha is getting out of the E mountain bike market. Don’t count on any support from them.
i got a haibike alltrail 4 on discount price for 1999euro it is an older model 2023 but still a brand new bike and it does a great job!
How you finding it?
@@Kx0195 best choice i ever made ; so much fun riding it! You can make rides of 70/80 km pure single track in eco/std mode with hills and big climbs. I did put a maxxis assegai up front for more grip, and run with low pressure around 140psi in rear shock for more comfort.
Good stuff guys! My critique of all of your reviews would be to always mention if a bike doesn't have headset cable routing and highlight that as a huge feature and vice versa to bikes that have it and loudly call them out for it.... the larger MTB media like yourselves needs to help get the message out to the incompetent frame designers out there so this ridiculous kool fad disappears on their next frame release. We consumers can speak with our wallet to drive it home.
Good point! We also hate headset routed cables. Fortunately only the Giant has them in this test. 👍
They all use Chinese electronic components. So why not start-out with a really good bike like a Trek or Cannondale and convert it yourself?
Im on the trail with my Walmart decathlon 😅 bike , so far 400 miles outstanding
Nice shapely review gents!
Are there good options for around £1000?
Not in terms of full-suspension e-bikes. At this price you’re better off with something without a motor.
@ cheers mate, I’ll save up about another 1k. Appreciate it!
The Yamaha’s mystery squish is in the tires. I think 2.8” tires are the best, of course I don’t race.
That Yamaha's cables make me feel uneasy.
Great review though.
Ha! Fair enough! Thanks though.
Imagine blowing out the battery more than once AND blowing out the shock, then giving that bike the Win. WHAT?
Did you listen to the reasons? Obviously we gave it the win, but if you’re considering any of these bikes and find those issues too much of a risk, just buy one of the other models.
Yamaha is now on sale for under $2k
Under $2k or $26xx?
@@ElevatedVehicles Yamaha YDX-MORO E-Bike (Desert Yellow) w/ Extra Battery + Extended Battery Warranty
$1919
$4,799.00
+ Free Shipping (select locations)
I ordered the moro 07 yesterday $2786 total with tax and all. I could not find even a used ebike for less than that. And it will be with a free extra battery. . The entry level moro is $2000 before tax and free extra battery also.
Yup... totally worth it for the price.
@@jaguilar2012ja 2hat dealer ? USA ?
Love my Moro.
Thanks for the video I'm at the age where I definitely need an ebike. I'm wanting the Yamaha but they are sold out because they got a great sell on them right now
Now with Yamaha discounting for direct sale to $2550 for YDX Moro 07 - its a no brainer to buy one!
That is an amazing deal!
Nice selection
Why didn’t you do Merida 140 ebike ?
Good point. The Merida looks like a decent bike.
28:53 "... but I still rode it with a strap on"
I was lucky enough to own a Santa Cruz Heckler and the Yamaha at the same time, ended up selling the Santa Cruz and Keeping the Yamaha, it's an awesome bike and i'm always surprised at how little respect it gets.
On the 1st bike, the 11/43 cassette was an advantage because you could pedal it if the battery went out, but on the second bike, the 11/43 cassette "wasn't appropriate on an e-bike" because you need to pedal it when the battery goes out? What am I missing?
peak power and torque depend on your use I rented a bosch gen4 750wh last month for a 5813ft alpine mountains ascent and wished it had less assistance in tour (1st real assist mode after eco) as tour over-helped going uphill trying to go 15mph when I was fine at 7mph enjoying the views and less torque on emtb (eco-tour-emtb-turbo) as either it tried to backflip me or even the 2.6" rear wheel slipped..that said on Bosch you can actually tune power and torque (just not on my rental) I rented an emtb to known what I wanted from them what worked or not on them for my specific usage and I can only recommend you do the same
Wow that is insane ! I hope DJI will sell this system to other manufacturers
Regarding the Suntour Aion fork it basically only requires lower leg services. The damper is a sealed unit so if it stops working you just screw in a new one. Means that most people will be able to do it themselves without special suspension tools or knowledge.
And a rockshox copy off ebay is still better than is for £35
i have a trek Roscoe 7 because i got it for FREE FROM A GUY in perfect condition or i NEVER thought of having one, needed a $20 shifter and upgraded $100 BUCKS COST.....i put on a royal Italian comfy seat and nicer grips and aluminum peddles and a riser on and use it as a CASUAL CRUISER ....HEY IT WAS FREE....! I have tons of trails and quiet safe tourist places to putts around for casual EXERCISE.....
I reakon the yamaha would have to be a fun bike with the 27.5 and lower weight
I seen 1 on the trail here few weeks ago looked good too
Also in Oz yamaha does 1% finance
A 10k eeb should include full gps mapping capabilites with Strava integration in the computer. Plus it should be removable for use while hiking, walking, running, kayaking, etc. The suspension should be 100% top of the line. The battery should last all year without a charge. I'm not asking for much at 10k.
Maybe a chauffeur?
Dont you get cable rattle from the bikes with quiet motors?
😱
Ha, yes, we need to add the word 'sterling' to that!
The yamaha actually sounded better by your description.
The rating should score all performance factors EXCEPT the price. That way you can divide the rating by the price to establish the value-for-money
Good video
What if you want an MTB for commuting mainly. The lowest price one must do perfectly well?
A used GT Aggressor from the 80's with rocksox suspension and the old rubber brake pads used one for a year and a half during covid for work only had to change the pedals as they wore out i was doing up hill every day. dont spend silly money on a bike you will ride thru winter in snow and ice. And disk brakes add weight to a bike with alot of maintenance
Yamaha has a ridiculous sale going on right now. They're bikes are like 60% off or more right now. For commuting I would look at the Wabash rt or the crosscore rc. Both are on sell for less than half price and come with an extra battery and extended 5 year warranty. 28mph top speed, hydraulic brakes, great bikes for the money.
@@joshzanet8268 3K i could buy a motorbike for that i have a full license
pro tip, absolutely all brands including Specialized go cheap on fork and suspension 1st as going down in range on them HALVES their price, massive savings for bike companies
it's literally 1200->600->300->150 ->75 so the budget smart thing to do is buy a cheaper bike then upgrade fork and shock later, just check before buying if they don't use weird proprietary fixtures or sizes, that's how my 8 year old 2'500 muscular mtb looks like a 10'000 bike of 2024
the Aventon Ramblas be in the list?
The new 2025 polygon TE-N looks badass
These prices are still obscene.
I can't get a 2nd hand 600 motorbike for these prices
While going over the first bike you say it has a belt drive, but it clearly has a chain...
Or did I misunderstand you?
The motor uses an internal belt drive 👍
I’m actually surprised there are not more licensed Yamaha motors. They’ve been making electronics and motors forever.
The test winning bike was great with the exception of two major issues on a brand new bike.... ok
Both were fixed 👍
Not sure why I would buy a FS bike if I rode only blue trails (giant).
Maybe one day you’ll be riding reds? Hardtails are pretty uncomfortable too - doesn’t take much in the way of bumps to make for an unpleasant experience.
Those Polygons look like the offspring of a Whyte and Marin. Are they all made in the same factory?
Polygon actually owns a factory and makes bikes for other brands. We’re not sure if that includes the two brands you mention, but Polygon definitely makes its own bikes.
@@MBRmagazine It’s actually pretty interesting to know, maybe a video listing all the brands that share a frame manufacturer would be helpful for people when considering their next purchase?
Basically you’re looking at Polygon, Giant, and Merida. They’re the only big brands we know of that actually make their own frames.
Polygon owns Marin (acquired a couple of years ago), and some of Marin's latest products are built in Polygon's factory. One product I can mention right now is the sisters, Polygon Xquare One and Marin Wolf Ridge. Both have identical looks and specs but came in different colors only (maybe).
But, I don't quite know about Whyte.
@kochenksantuy8396 Jon Whyte used to design frames for Marin in the late 90s, I remember the shared suspension layout Polygon and Marin used 5-10 years ago now. It got some good reviews, but its looks were too polarising for people to want to buy it. Thanks for the reminder! 👍🏻
My Decathlon eMTB cassette and chain wore out in the first 400 miles, although perfectly cared for and lubricated and only ridden on smooth tracks... Decathlon refused to replace these although the bike was 12 weeks into a two year warranty....do not buy!
In Australia the Yamaha sells for $8999 AU or ₤4445, the Polygon is $4999 AU or ₤2469 from bikesonline, so it looks like a bargain compared to the others on this test,
Affordable bikes £3000-£4100! That’s not cheap or accessible, my car isn’t worth the bottom figure.
So buy a £1000 hub drive ebike instead and see how far that gets you. Not too far I’d wager. These bikes are good value considering they have similar technology to brands that sell £15k bikes and will do pretty much anything the expensive ones will do too!
Is the Poligon entry level bike?😮
When Privateer are selling the E-161 at £3999 most days. how would you say they stack up against it? Very similar Spec to the Polygon, with better suspension, Have to says i'd rather give £4k to Privateer than Go Outdoors.
While the deal lasts then 100% go for it! 👍 The Privateer at that price is a bargain
no vitus on that list?!
Sadly you can’t but them anymore.
Yamaha is on -40% sale currently. 2913€ with tax. Great price!
There's a lot of people having problems with that new Polygon
Battery problems?
Yamaha Moro 7 now for sale for $2,550 US, with second battery and 5 year warranty. Buy?
That’s a crazy deal! Wow
Yamaha is discontinuing its E mountain bike market. No future support, parts or service from them.
@georgehanson2978 that's not entirely true. They're only discontinuing sales in the U.S. market. They'll still honor full service, parts and warranty on all units sold here in the USA.
I would think about buying a bike like this with monthly payments. However it would probably be broken before I had it paid off!
Budget emtb... £3K 🤜😖🤛
Lardee-bloody-dah.
Marin trail e2 pls
I really wish people stopped comparing bikes you can only get on sale and that have very limited availability sometimes a single day to the regular market, especially since those prices only work for europeans a 5000$ cube is 10'000 in the US and 15'000 in AU at least start with "IF and WHEN you can get it on sale and IF you live in the right country" instead of saying "you made a bad choice because you bought what is actually available to you" except it's not I waited too long my sizes on sale are all gone the next comparable bike is now 2000€ more, this is not a video about waiting for the correct season and time to buy a bike or ebike and where to get the best deals
Sorry for not predicting future stock levels for every specific model, guessing which bikes would be discounted and by how much, and covering bikes available in every single potential market that someone viewing the video might live in. We’ll try harder next time.
An emb should be a tenth the price of a dirtbike. The prices are absurd.
I strapped a cyc photon to a specialised fuse comp. All up $4k AUD with a 52v 20ah battery. Way more power and torque then these at i lower price point.
I just bought a Focus Jam2 6.7 for £3k on the nose.
Bosch CX / Shimano Deore / DVO upfront and Rockshox in the rear / rolling on Maxxis dh's - it craps on the Decathlon offering from a great height tbh
Was it discounted?
@@MBRmagazineMust be - latest model though. Purchased from the electric bike shop.
Also bought it through cycle2work so will only end up paying about £2k
Good work 👌
I’ve a 2021 Giant stance e+ 3pro. Massively different spec than the one shown here - o rings yes, Shimano 4 pot brakes 10-51 12 speed gearing - the one reviewed is nothing like what you can get on an “affordable “ electric Stance
Funny that! Compare a different model of bike from a different model year and it’s not the same! 🤷♂️
every year manufacturers either keep the price the same but downgrade components or raise the price for equivalent or better specs, they have been doing that for the last 15 years pretty much until the emtb market "reset" made (some of) them lower their prices on regular mtbs a decade ago I bought for 2300USD a full shimano xt mtb every single existing XT part was on it
Need a ramblas
AFFORDABLE lol cheapest ebike 3k and describing 6.5k bikes as entry level in another video the bike industry and their promoters are completely deluded as to what affordable means
Get a second battery FREE from. One dealer for the YAMAHA
In America
Too much hate on e-bike and wireless drivetrain, I mean just DON'T BUY IT if you hate it, people act like they're required by law to buy one.
This 👆
I use to be on the fence until I heard, “no need for a recovery or rest day!”. More miles means more smiles.
There are a ton of good e-bikes you can get for way less than these with just as good components and quality without the brand and road and mountain bike pedigree. That’s what you’re paying for here.
Like what? Trying to figure out best bang for the buck
Secondo voi, qual'e' la migliore?❤
Did you watch the video? 🤷♂️
Or you could just get the Cube Stereo Action Team 160 for £4199, Fox factory 38 and Float X carbon frame full xt. No brainier.
An emb should not cost as much as a dirt bike. Prices will come down eventually.
Sadly a stientrike with no motor is in the same price range…
cheapest budget bike is 3k??? You can find motorcycles for these prices..
Yamaha has just pulled out of USA ebike market, hence why all the good deals in the comments. Wonder what will happen globally in future…
Yamaha sale right now is insane.
Absolutely.
They are withdrawing from the USA market
Great marketing the best bike is the one that broke i will not buy any of these but the Yamaha looks nice
I payed £2500 for a cube stereo hpc 750 brand new . Better value by a mile than all these bikes. Shimano deore, magura mt thirty, Shimano domain 160 , carbon Frame......
Great deal! I’m guessing it was on sale though?
@@MBRmagazine yes. That's the top tip for getting a good bike within the budget price region. Look for the sales.
None of them. A DIY e-bike is far cheaper to build and you can start out with a much better base bicycle. I converted both my Cannodale Trail Six and Milwaukee gravel bikes and they are now awesome e-machines and faster and more powerful than EU regulated bikes.
That's hilarious 😂
@EmotoOregon All true, but this was an educational video. My TH-cam Channel shows my bikes and plenty of rides, they work well and my old knees are happier too! I just passed 1650 km on the new Cannondale, 25,000 on the Milwaukee, no problems and its very hilly in this area of Spain.
totally illegal and if your battery burns and causes harm you'll go to jail congrats
@@fredEVOIX if you buy a cheap ass battery you get what you get. There's nothing wrong with Panasonic or Samsung batteries and they're probably the same ones in the high-priced spread. I will grant you not everyone is smart enough to build their own e-bike.
@@EmotoOregon True - I blow away European e-bikes all the time. EU regulations are a pain for e-bike buyers.
Budget my ass who wants to spend 3k on a fuckin bike
Not you, obviously.
I wouldn't even spend 3K on a motorbike getting blasted by 40 MPH winds at 70 MPH is cool but not 40 MPH winds at top speed 15 MPH in the freezing winter 🤣🤣 and they pick the best bike as the one that broke
No Marin?!? Boooo!
just get a diy kit :P way cheaper and even faster :D
I can buy a car at that price and drive it year around.
Flexstays and over 26KG 😂🎉
I mean they’re not really doing it for weight saving!
My well hung Haibike was Stolen
3 Grand cheapest lol
Exactly what I was thinking
For 5k you can stick it not worth it all there a bloody gimmick
cheeper to get petrol bike ffs
Ridiculous prices
Strap on….
Stop sniggering at the back!
wel that was a dumb revieuw compleet paid
The fact that your comment has a translate option below it speaks volumes.