That's why I'm a fan of small solar panels on the car's roof. The car would recover on its own in an hour to allow you to maneuver in emergency. I enjoy your tests !
These tests are worth gold for their information! Good job, Björn. 👍 Can you do this to a MEB car (like Id.4 or Enyaq) too, please? I'd be *very* interested to learn how my Enyaq would die. Too scared to try it myself. 😄 5% SoC is the lowest I've gone so far, with no issues at that point. But I don't have anything like the EcoFlow unit for recovery, to go much lower than that
You schould try the Ioniq 5 with Solar roof... Drive it till it's dead and park it in the Sun. Would be interesting to see if it can charge up itself and how long it would take to get it back to a driveable state just by it's solar roof.
100 Wh is a laptop or USB battery bank battery lol… being able to plug in a USB power pack in for ‘turtle maneuvering’ would be pretty cool. Limited usage though I guess.
Bjorn, maybe try to talk to someone who manages the store so that you can always use the parking lot when the store is closed. I know that in my home country, a man who tests various electric cars got permission to use the parking lot on Sunday, when the store is closed. Greetings from Poland. Thanks for what you do, it's very useful.
Thank you so much for THIS videos. So good to see how each car performing differently when disscharged. Can you do Fiat 500 next? I see ALOT of them on the road in Switzerland and germany. Thank you allways for the videos :)
imagine being mercedes and thinking this infotainment looks worse than the hyperscreen. this looks so much more premium than that glossy multi-screen laggy mess
The reason why each car takes different power from the cable is, the cable only signals how many amps the car is allowed to take, using PWM on the signal pin. It's up to the car to interpret the PWM, measure the amount of amps it actually takes, adjust the charger, etc ‒ and each one is calibrated a bit differently and each one has different amount of erring on the safe side (eg. taking a bit less) not to trip the fuse. Some likely can do it only in certain steps (I'd suspect this particular one is one of them, that's why it did only something like 8 amps instead of 10 because maybe it can do exactly 8, exactly 10, but measured 9.9 on the PWM…).
Has anyone stopped to help Bjorn when he does this test? Might make for a good outtake reel. "If you could go down to the local charging station and pick me up a litre of electrons, that would be great! " :D Would love to see an Ioniq5 or a Lightning pull up and share the V2L feature.
Most of EVSE has feedback from amp meter on the line and changes PWM to set exact current. Every car interpret PWM signal slightly different so the EVSE has to fake more or less amps on PWM signal to get the right current. Cheaper EVSE does not do this. Just output PWM with pulse width that is 10A and done. I think your cable is this second case.
Seems like you had eco charging on perhaps, that reduces the charging power. Edit: the setting seems to be off, but the behavior is like it would be on.
Please help me So when it completely finished what happens ? I just bought eqc And no power no ignition Not sure what’s wrong I jumped started but still only wiper moved and interior lights works But nothing else It doesn’t lock or unlock Wouod it be coz Hv battery comepelty died and needs charge ? Please helps me No ignition
Great video :) Please do the test on the e-gmp plantform EV6 or Ionic 5. Would also love to see EV6 Only fans /sunday drive and 1000km in warmer weather 🙏🏻
Yeah I would also say that is actually relatively high consumption at that low speed. SoC: 1% of 106kWh is 1.06kWh so it is roughly if I calculated corr3ctly 151Wh/km which would be for me a bit high for only 20kmh. BUT: I saw in some youtube video (forgot which) that some carmakers seem to not have a steady and proportional display of %: seems that for some 1% at very high or very low SoC means less kWh than say in the 10-90% range. Do not know whether that applies here. But cool solution with thr short boost charge. Björn, is it maybe a better solution then to get say a Battery which only weighs say 5kg, has about 0.5kWh and then really use it as a total emergency. 0.5kWh should bring you 2-3km on most EVs at very low speed. Or max 10kg with maybe 1kWh capacity... that gives you a comfortable range of 5-8km.
Very slow speeds are equally wasteful as very fast speeds. All the constant loads in the car start to eat up more capacity per km. It's best to drive around 50km/h, that way you get the furthest. Depends on the car of course.
@@celeron55 in my experience depends on speed and duration. of course 5-10kmh all the time esp with HVaC is very inefficient. but rolling from like 20kmh onwards at least in my car is very efficient (like 80-100Wh/km) and as you say up to 50-60kmh the same more or less
@@celeron55 Apprently the optimal is 38km/h, used in world record for tesla hypermiling. I doubt it would be much too different for any other electric car.
Great video! Could you do a similar test with millennium falcon? I bought my model S 7 1/2 years ago based on your experience. Would love to know what would happen if I ran it to 0. Thanks for the great videos!!
With a spare fuel canister it would handle this just fine. A 1 liter canister would have about 10 kWh energy, of which 2 kWh would actually go into moving the car (80% going to waste...) i.e. the canister would be equivalent to Björn's 2kWh EcoFlow.
@@mattg432 ok, thanks for the correction. You ran it really dry then. 😳 I wonder how more modern cars would handle running out of fuel, they'd have better sensors and control electronics to "shut down" earlier, I'd guess. 🤔
In theory kwh/h is also correct mathematically you just can remove both "h" is it is h / h. And for a better adaptation of the e mobility in the normal people, kwh/h is better as it is easier to calculate for joe average how long he has to charge. As example: car charges 50kwh/h. So joe knows that he has to stay an hour to get 50kwh. He has not to bother about how to calculate 50kw charging power to time
joe should know what W is and that literally wh is the amount you get in an hour. All electrical bills are using this for 100 years. You would think that people are quite used to it. You don't buy a 75Wh/h lightbulb in 1993
kWh/h is NUTS. Only German engineers could come up with that unit (I'm allowed to say that being a German electronics engineer) Easier for Joe Average? I doubt that very much.
Here in Australia Ikea is great. Solar on the roof, DC and AC chargers in undercover car park and a very responsible and caring employer (rare in Straya).
@@ad_fletch Not really. A business wants people to spend time in their shop. Also for the investment of one 350kW charger you can install 20 22kW AC chargers (Source: A network provider).
This Info should be provided by the carmakers, very usefull but you need to do this with alle the cheaper cars with less battery, its unlikely to get stuck with 107 kWh ;)
@@brianmatthews232 No it won't. BMS is designed to protect battery pack from going to low. I'm pretty sure that voltage for each cell didn't drop below 3V. For example SAMSUNG in datasheet for 21700-50E says that minimum safe voltage is 2.5V.
Great. Great. I would like you do a test with a car similar to mine : Tesla Model 3 SR+ LFP 55 2021. Just to know the end and how to recover. Great to have tested if it is possible to drive after just charging 100 kWh. Do not forget to do it again with a Tesla LFP55 (please). That way we could expect emergency power banks smaller and cheaper than yours that would help us to do 5km (500-1000 kWh). Great. Great. Thank you.
Bjorn, yes the EQS maybe great but on a cost benefit analysis how many Tesla can be bought with money required for an EQS? I still think Tesla wins on the cost benefit equation.
That's why I'm a fan of small solar panels on the car's roof. The car would recover on its own in an hour to allow you to maneuver in emergency.
I enjoy your tests !
You took the hit so we don’t have to. I salute you, sir.
These tests are worth gold for their information! Good job, Björn. 👍 Can you do this to a MEB car (like Id.4 or Enyaq) too, please? I'd be *very* interested to learn how my Enyaq would die. Too scared to try it myself. 😄 5% SoC is the lowest I've gone so far, with no issues at that point. But I don't have anything like the EcoFlow unit for recovery, to go much lower than that
You schould try the Ioniq 5 with Solar roof... Drive it till it's dead and park it in the Sun. Would be interesting to see if it can charge up itself and how long it would take to get it back to a driveable state just by it's solar roof.
Hate to think how long that'd take at 200W or so.
You'll do fine if you have food, arctic sleeping bag and water stocks so you don't die before the solar recovers you
It would take atleast 6 months in the tropics to fully charge.
@@mahatmagaand noone want's to fully charge that way... going from empty to b able to drive 3km to the next charger was the question.
100 Wh is a laptop or USB battery bank battery lol… being able to plug in a USB power pack in for ‘turtle maneuvering’ would be pretty cool. Limited usage though I guess.
I own an electric mountain-bike and the battery-pack is around 400 Wh. 😁👍🏻🔋
Bjorn, maybe try to talk to someone who manages the store so that you can always use the parking lot when the store is closed. I know that in my home country, a man who tests various electric cars got permission to use the parking lot on Sunday, when the store is closed. Greetings from Poland. Thanks for what you do, it's very useful.
As always I admire your pure scientific approach, great job, thanks!
I’m a leaf owner. 18kwh battery now. I hear you 😆
Under the steeringwheel there is a black cover/hatch and under that there is the frunk opener, a red lever 👍
Crazy man terrorises learner drivers at IKEA parking lot
Thank you so much for THIS videos. So good to see how each car performing differently when disscharged.
Can you do Fiat 500 next? I see ALOT of them on the road in Switzerland and germany.
Thank you allways for the videos :)
That's awesome: graceful brand, graceful design, graceful shut-down! :)
Graceful brand 🤔
Thank you for the tests. This is an awsome series!
imagine being mercedes and thinking this infotainment looks worse than the hyperscreen. this looks so much more premium than that glossy multi-screen laggy mess
I enjoyed this vid very much! Thank you Bjørn!
Björn the master of the turtle. 😀
We should call him Master Splinter :D :D :D
I have EQS 580,Thanks to you , I love it more than my old Tesla X
The reason why each car takes different power from the cable is, the cable only signals how many amps the car is allowed to take, using PWM on the signal pin. It's up to the car to interpret the PWM, measure the amount of amps it actually takes, adjust the charger, etc ‒ and each one is calibrated a bit differently and each one has different amount of erring on the safe side (eg. taking a bit less) not to trip the fuse. Some likely can do it only in certain steps (I'd suspect this particular one is one of them, that's why it did only something like 8 amps instead of 10 because maybe it can do exactly 8, exactly 10, but measured 9.9 on the PWM…).
Maybe some cars start charging extra slow after running out of juice too.
Parking in the disabled spot! Has to be the funniest video. Great car and great video! 👍
Bjørn, you really nailed with these dead battery test. I enjoy your anxiety LOL
the king of luxury and range is here. I wonder what will be the range of the S plaid..?🤔
Ikea on Sundays is indeed saver than public roads.
Hope to see one for the Polestar 2 😀
Bjorn discovering he has parked on two spots for disabled people: 'This is perfect Mercedes parking huh?!'
Too funny! ;-)
Has anyone stopped to help Bjorn when he does this test? Might make for a good outtake reel.
"If you could go down to the local charging station and pick me up a litre of electrons, that would be great! " :D
Would love to see an Ioniq5 or a Lightning pull up and share the V2L feature.
I think you should do this with some older cars that dont have these massive batteries and see how they perform.
Love the video! Very entertaining!
EQS is insane
Hahaha, Love all the noob thumbnails! You got the look down. 😯
lol, these clickbait thumbnails are only getting better, keep it up! 🤣
how about the eqc? same procedure? how far will it drive after rdching the 0%?
0:43 I'm not a fossil fuel fan nor against EV, but how do you get materials for cars in first place?
How much fossil or resources are used?
Does EVs make noise to disturb others nearby? No?
@@bjornnyland Noise thing, yes, you are right on that one. EV's vs Harleys 😂
*EVs (plural)
@@bjornnyland 😂 this auto correct 😂🤣😅
Thanks for correcting!
Most of EVSE has feedback from amp meter on the line and changes PWM to set exact current. Every car interpret PWM signal slightly different so the EVSE has to fake more or less amps on PWM signal to get the right current. Cheaper EVSE does not do this. Just output PWM with pulse width that is 10A and done. I think your cable is this second case.
Zero percent is not necessarily zero, it's less than 1 percent
Please could you perform this Zero test on an Ioniq 5 please?
Super test, love these videos.
It says « goodbye » permanently on the titlebar of the energy screen 😂
Seems like you had eco charging on perhaps, that reduces the charging power.
Edit: the setting seems to be off, but the behavior is like it would be on.
baby seat and stroller test pleeeeease! :D
Bjorn, please do the BZ4X as well. Hope the wheel won't come off while motion. Heh.
Gut gemacht. Top
The Best or Nothing 💪.
I would have been in full crisis mode😱😂
I hope you do next MEB car.
Please help me
So when it completely finished what happens ?
I just bought eqc
And no power no ignition
Not sure what’s wrong
I jumped started but still only wiper moved and interior lights works
But nothing else
It doesn’t lock or unlock
Wouod it be coz Hv battery comepelty died and needs charge ?
Please helps me
No ignition
Could you do the 0% test with Honda e (advance)?
Did you manage to find why it was only charging half speed on AC?
No
Hey Bjorn you should do a towing test like he used to do with the model x see how far it could go
Great video :) Please do the test on the e-gmp plantform EV6 or Ionic 5. Would also love to see EV6 Only fans /sunday drive and 1000km in warmer weather 🙏🏻
Charging speed could depend on eco Charging Mode, which reduces the Powerlevel
It has nothing to do with AC charging speed.
The worst backup camera of the industry
how did the elec trunk and doors open w/o Juice?
12 V battery
Can you drive while the charge cable is connected?
15:52 no, no car allows that.
With that big a battery and it has nothing in reserve is just unfortunate, never go below 5% you risk stranding.
7 km is not what I have expected, and you drove only with 20 km/h, not 60-70 km/h
Yeah I would also say that is actually relatively high consumption at that low speed. SoC: 1% of 106kWh is 1.06kWh so it is roughly if I calculated corr3ctly 151Wh/km which would be for me a bit high for only 20kmh. BUT: I saw in some youtube video (forgot which) that some carmakers seem to not have a steady and proportional display of %: seems that for some 1% at very high or very low SoC means less kWh than say in the 10-90% range. Do not know whether that applies here.
But cool solution with thr short boost charge. Björn, is it maybe a better solution then to get say a Battery which only weighs say 5kg, has about 0.5kWh and then really use it as a total emergency. 0.5kWh should bring you 2-3km on most EVs at very low speed. Or max 10kg with maybe 1kWh capacity... that gives you a comfortable range of 5-8km.
Very slow speeds are equally wasteful as very fast speeds. All the constant loads in the car start to eat up more capacity per km. It's best to drive around 50km/h, that way you get the furthest. Depends on the car of course.
@@celeron55 in my experience depends on speed and duration. of course 5-10kmh all the time esp with HVaC is very inefficient. but rolling from like 20kmh onwards at least in my car is very efficient (like 80-100Wh/km) and as you say up to 50-60kmh the same more or less
@@celeron55 Apprently the optimal is 38km/h, used in world record for tesla hypermiling. I doubt it would be much too different for any other electric car.
@@N0xiety If you have your HVAC and everything else off that you can possibly turn off, the ideal speed will be lower, yes.
Great video! Could you do a similar test with millennium falcon? I bought my model S 7 1/2 years ago based on your experience. Would love to know what would happen if I ran it to 0. Thanks for the great videos!!
Ask IKEA for permission to perform your tests on a sunday. Perhaps they even provide you with a key to the gate.
No need to.
Bjorn, the best men of kw….
3:24 It's some math and logic kinda thing. 0,4% =/= 0%
Great video!!!
I wonder how a fossil car would handle this test.🤪
With a spare fuel canister it would handle this just fine. A 1 liter canister would have about 10 kWh energy, of which 2 kWh would actually go into moving the car (80% going to waste...) i.e. the canister would be equivalent to Björn's 2kWh EcoFlow.
@@mattg432 ok, thanks for the correction. You ran it really dry then. 😳 I wonder how more modern cars would handle running out of fuel, they'd have better sensors and control electronics to "shut down" earlier, I'd guess. 🤔
Hahaha! Just another reason to buy it!👍
Nice Video. Why not try to push the car in neutral?
Try pushing 2640 kg uphill.
@@bjornnyland ok. I looked flat. 🙂
@@Skysurfersim still very hevy🤪
In theory kwh/h is also correct mathematically you just can remove both "h" is it is h / h. And for a better adaptation of the e mobility in the normal people, kwh/h is better as it is easier to calculate for joe average how long he has to charge. As example: car charges 50kwh/h. So joe knows that he has to stay an hour to get 50kwh. He has not to bother about how to calculate 50kw charging power to time
joe should know what W is and that literally wh is the amount you get in an hour. All electrical bills are using this for 100 years. You would think that people are quite used to it. You don't buy a 75Wh/h lightbulb in 1993
But it's bad grammar. Just as bad as saying "not uncommon".
kWh/h is NUTS. Only German engineers could come up with that unit (I'm allowed to say that being a German electronics engineer) Easier for Joe Average? I doubt that very much.
Turning the car off for like 10 minutes and letting the battery recover would probably result in the same outcome.. BTW Ikea is boooooooooooring ;)
Here in Australia Ikea is great. Solar on the roof, DC and AC chargers in undercover car park and a very responsible and caring employer (rare in Straya).
@@moestrei Agreed. They should add some of those ABB rapid chargers here too though!
@@ad_fletch Not really. A business wants people to spend time in their shop. Also for the investment of one 350kW charger you can install 20 22kW AC chargers (Source: A network provider).
4:12🤣
This Info should be provided by the carmakers, very usefull but you need to do this with alle the cheaper cars with less battery, its unlikely to get stuck with 107 kWh ;)
new title braking into ikea with 0% xD jk
might have damaged to battery? not good
battery will have an unusable buffer so no
@@SNORKYMEDIA yeah but still will affect it
@@brianmatthews232 No it won't. BMS is designed to protect battery pack from going to low. I'm pretty sure that voltage for each cell didn't drop below 3V. For example SAMSUNG in datasheet for 21700-50E says that minimum safe voltage is 2.5V.
This is why Bjorn is doing the test, so you won't have to.
👍😊
We must not ban fossile cars. It's so fun blasting by so called fast BMWs etc with my Tesla.
Mercedes Benz Björn
That was just incoherent dribble
Please kom to Bulgaria if you can. 2671 km 6 borders. It wil be real authentic challenge.
how to crash 100k$
Great. Great. I would like you do a test with a car similar to mine : Tesla Model 3 SR+ LFP 55 2021. Just to know the end and how to recover.
Great to have tested if it is possible to drive after just charging 100 kWh. Do not forget to do it again with a Tesla LFP55 (please).
That way we could expect emergency power banks smaller and cheaper than yours that would help us to do 5km (500-1000 kWh).
Great. Great. Thank you.
Bjorn, yes the EQS maybe great but on a cost benefit analysis how many Tesla can be bought with money required for an EQS? I still think Tesla wins on the cost benefit equation.
The cheapest Tesla Model S and the EQS 450+ have comparable pricing. There is a cheaper EQE model.
maan u re funny :D :D