House of the Dragon | Season 2 Episode 1 Review (SPOILERS)
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“They weren’t low life enough”
“Did they have to kick the dog?”
Maybe some book readers had unrealistic expectations considering the scene went well in the context of the show.
They’ve turned into people who see one change from the books and decide the whole thing is bad. So sad to see
I didn’t read the books and the scene was underwhelming, especially for HOTD
It's not just them, it's all book fans tbh. I'm taking it well, but I still hate it NGL @@jacobwatson8688
As someone who didn’t know the book events before, that whole last 10 mins was crazy. Because they were such amateurs and dumb I expected them to not succeed. I thought it was wild especially hearing a kids muffled screams as his mom watches his head get chopped off, especially as a father
Seriously wtf.
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“Why’d they have to kick the dog”
Followed by talking about how the scene of child murder wasn’t visceral enough.
Bro I don’t know what’s wrong with hardcore Fire and Blood fans, but they seem to have forgotten how average audiences are going to feel about the more brutal aspects of GRRM’s work.
Nobody complained when Catlyn killed Waldor’s Frey’s wife instead of his autistic grandson, or when they aged up Dany so she wasn’t being married off at 14. And those are minor examples.
I hear you. I read the books and the scene got the job done. Also ad another poster stated, how do you film the book scene with actual children? Practically, may not be feasible.
People only kick down. Nobody kicks up. Blood kicks down at Cheese, Cheese kicks down at dog.
Because the murder of the child is a major plot point, them kicking the dog was a cheap attempt to display their poor character as if agreeing to murder a child for money was not a big enough display of that already.
Right? NS complaining that child murder and threats of rape weren't lingered on beyond what even narrative reason would allow... so fucking strange.
I think knowing what was going to happen in Blood And Cheese definitely changes your opinion on it.
I did not know what was going to happen, along with the 4 other people in the room while watching and we were all so tense and left in shock after we watched it.
Saying it wasn’t tense enough is like saying a math question was hard enough when you already knew the answer
I read the book, and while I was expecting more, I still felt it got the job done. Sound effects made it gruesome. Also, Helaena, wouldn’t be acting in a typical way. As Aegon said, “ she’s an enduring mystery.
@@shockwave1126 Expecting Helaena to act like a normal person in that scene is like expecting a child to act like an adult.
If you are put in a traumatic situation like that, you are going to revert back to the most basic human instincts, especially if you weren't expecting to be in that situation. Like how can you expect someone who has a knife to their throat and is being asked which child they would rather kill to be levelheaded or able to stand up to the situation.
The point is, it could've been a very minor Red Wedding-like scene. It's a pivotal point in the lore of the Dance of Dragons and they treated it like just another scene.
Imagine Helena walking into the room, and out of nowhere (unless you payed attention to the clues), two creepy like men are holding your two boys at knife point.
They're not goofy but sinister. They're not idiots but creepy.
It also is suppose to add to the grey morality of the conflict. Yes Rhaenyra is the rightful heir, yes she seems like the best choice, but she did this horrible act. It's supposed to be her the beginning of her slow dissent into madness.
I disagree. I didn't read the book but I still thought the scene wasn't intense enough. And it's not about showing the act: they shouldn't show it, it would be violence porn. It's about the execution of the entire sequence. I didn't feel much watching it.
Tbh, I THINK they didnt do that scene the way it was written because they would need to traumatize 2 very young child actors, dragging them out of bed and shit, how do you even start planning that scene knowing theres gonna be a very young kid playing? The young actors of the twins could barely stay still
I never thought of this practical side of it. The child actors couldn't be more that 4 yrs old, 5 at most, definitely too young to do a scene like that
Do cgi kids
@@VladimirMickellol thats stupid
@@VladimirMickelYou’re joking right?
I think the show runners actually put out a statement in response to the negative feedback on this scene. They actually couldn't do it legally with child actors the way it played out in the book
I haven’t read the books so for me the ending scene was shocking and disturbing. I was like “No way these guys are gonna kill Aemond so wtf is going to happen” and then the realization is horrifying. The whole scene felt very tense the way it was shot cause I had no idea what would happen. I think the actual murder scene was disturbing and brutal enough as it was - like you can definitely hear everything. I didn’t feel like I needed to see more of that
Also, in retrospect, was Helaena mentioning her fear of the rats just foreshadowing for the ending or did she actually know something terrible would happen in connection with the rats?
The ending didn’t mean much to me… I don’t really have any affiliation to the character killed, they were a really small role that we hadn’t built a connection with. Imo
@@paulprothero9997 I mean even the books the only reason the scene is memorable is because of the brutality of the act.
what ur saying makes sense but come on, this is nothing compared to what happens in gaza every day in reality.
Yes you are right. This is a tv show though and ultimately nothing like what is happening in Gaza or Ukraine too for that matter. But tv is entertainment to help us forget about real life briefly
The scene made sense to me, because the book is FULL of fake news and embellishments.
Just because "it's in the book" doesn't mean that's how it actually happened - most likely, it isn't.
Exactly!!
Facts
Certain things you can guess is true because Fire & Blood if you read it enough times has a set pattern. When something ambiguous they tell you the varying accounts from Maester Glydan, Septon Eustace, Mushroom the court fool. Laenor death, Harrenhall Fire, Daemon & Rhaenyra relationship, Ser Criston betrayal. Each one we get different speculation from those 3 guys on what happened. Others it pretty certain that Martin didn’t intend any ambiguity. Aemon probably killed Luke in cold blood. Daemon definitely arranged this to happened & it wasn’t an accident they knew what room to go in & waited until they showed up & did it in front of Helena & Alicent.
@@darriusbethea2373 many events had either a single or no witnesses, who were biased.
I can easily see Aemond killing Luke by accident, then telling everyone he meant to do it, for example.
Later in the book there are more public events, and more direct quotes - the tone changes
P. S. Mushroom is hilarious.
Yea I mean how can the show be “book accurate” if even the book itself isn’t accurate. Whenever I read the book I always questioned some stuff that didn’t make sense and how did this happen exactly.
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Technically going after Aemond is strategically one of the smartest things to do… Both sides have admitted that he is the greens strongest warrior and is riding the most dangerous dragon. Taking him out first would definitely turn the tide.
In Fire & Blood the reason why everyone kinda knows it not an accident because they was waiting in Alicent rooms & had a whole sadistic plan. Also it would be a longshot to go after Aemon he a grown man & a trained killer he can defend himself. Also you have no idea if he would actually be in his room. As a Prince he could wherever he wants it actually be surprise if he in bed sleep at that hour. Where the children had a nightly routine of visiting grandma Alicent for a goodnight kiss that everyone knew about so that made it perfect to ambush them.
Why send those two? He is a good fighter and can easily survive their attempts.
@@ToeKnife166 definitely wouldn’t have sent those two🤣🤣🤣 I was speaking more in general terms that it would be the best move to get him out of the way.
@@darriusbethea2373 I read the book and they definitely were not the right guys for that Aemond job, they were much better suited to the horrible task they performed… I was speaking more in general terms cause Mr. Eye Eye and Nana Vhagar are a force to be reckoned with!!!!!
@@ToeKnife166the plan was to assassinate him, not duel him
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As someone who hasnt read Fire and Blood, i think that the ending was pretty visceral. While the book passage clearly is even more violent, for the general audience I think its great. Remembering how many people were saying that the death of Aemma was too brutal
I think hardcore fans forget how much dark stuff got cut out of the (good) seasons of GOT that were a bit much for TV. The vast majority of viewers are going to wish it was less brutal, not more.
It also can’t be perfectly book accurate because there’s only one son. I really thought people’s main contention would be the lack of guards near the room itself.
@@notribadsvault Cristin was a bit indisposed at the moment haha
In books they explain this they are waiting in Alicent chambers because it well known in keep that Helena brings the children to there grandma for a quick kiss goodnight & they tie them up & stuff saying if they scream we murder everyone. They tend force between her 2 sons which ones to pick & they choose the opposite one.
I’m personally fine with it just ehhh my one gripe they omitted the second son. Also confused because they clearly want Daemon to be the negative one on team black last season he did things he actually didn’t do like challenge & hit Rhaenrya. Murder his first wife etc. Ommittee certain scenes with his children. I actually was annoyed last season because they had Daemon do stuff he probably didn’t do & the stuff he actually did like plan this child murder they was like dang we can’t have him be this mad.
@@darriusbethea2373as I see it, grrm said this is meant to be a true telling of what happened while the book is a bunch of second hand accounts.
Maybe what we're meant to understand is that the child was only killed because they couldn't get to the true "son". And perhaps the retelling in the books are exaggerated/sensationalised.
Yeah, they trippin.
Sometimes you guys talk and it feels like you didn't watch season 1. Aegon does have a moment with Alicent where he does lament that Viserys didn't like him. That's why he takes to the crown so quickly, the people cheer for him, he feels wanted!
Blood and Cheese are suppossed to be idiots. If anything this helps make the Blacks look worse in favor of the Greens. These accidental escelations show how people and families who were literally RAISED with each other can devolve because of mistakes. Aemond didn't want to kill Luke, Daemon wanted Aemond dead, but the two bumbling idiots couldn't find him and killed a kid instead.
Like, are we watching the same show? JFC
Because they read the source material lol & the showrunners are clearly want big TV moments but don’t wanna follow certain scenes in source material because that would require either backlash from general public who would hate certain characters ( same exact reason they whitewashed Cersei & Tyrion) or it would require them to write more content. In source material it clear the murders of Aegon son was planned because they knew exactly where to go & who to look for & was waiting in the rooms for them. They weren’t idiots they was hired professionals who Daemon hired.
Aegon in source material didn’t take an interest in ruling until after Rhaenyra side wins some early victory because he gets scared & wants to be in charge. Most of time he drank & whored.
@@darriusbethea2373 yeah, I’ve also read the source material. The source material also doesn’t have a real relationship between Rhaenyra and Alicent.
The source material also doesn’t establish Viserys nearly as well as the show did. The show has gone to great lengths to strengthen the relationships of the characters.
Having Rhanerya order the execution of children would not align with her character in the show, even with Luke’s death.
Having blood and cheese be idiots that do something terrible because of their stupidity is far more interesting at the expense of some shock factor.
@darriusbethea2373 I prefer that the show chose to depict the setup that Daemon was going after Aemond and then the reveal of them instead choosing a child. Because it was much more shocking to the general audience. There would have been zero tension if they had stated that they were after Aegon's heir and then actually did what they planned.
Watch the reactions of viewers who weren't familiar with the book. The show was effective.
@@darriusbethea2373 They knew because they worked there... they knew the layout, and they knew where an easier target would be 100% of the time as opposed to fighting a grown adult with world class combat training due to his station. Also, even the books themselves are supposed to be read as being somewhat unreliable because they are presented as the historical writings of 2 authors with their own biases, motivations, and varying quality of sources. What the book says happen is not necessarily what happened, and it's not supposed to be read as a narrative account like ASOIAF.
Woah, you wanted to see that final scene? The sound of the blade slicing isn't visceral enough? Yeah, I watch with the caps on and it actually says, "blade slicing." Who had the job of creating the sound of all mothers' nightmares?
Hardcore fans are a bit out of touch with how the average viewer is going to feel. And frankly some people were way too excited for this part of the story
@@notribadsvault that last line 100%
can't believe people want to see a child brutally killed, like why. the scene was messed up enough
I don’t care about seeing the kid killed I just want the scene to play out like the book. They didn’t have to show him being beheaded or anything that’s not the important part of the scene. The psychological torture is.
yeah this is how I feel about most of the complaints tbh
@@Andrew.Ehrhardt if you want it to play out exactly like the book, then read the fucking book. I read the book and most book readers are being babies. it was good
I feel like you could say this about thrones. "I can't believe people want to see a pregnant woman killed at the red wedding." It's the brutality that makes the scene shocking.
@@michaelwolf9818 asoiaf is nothing like fire and blood. don't know how many times yall need to hear it's a fake history book with unreliable narrators for it to sink in for you
About Blood and Cheese scenes, as someone who has never read the source material, i really think it was suspenseful and gripping. It’s definitely not gonna be effective if you already know what’s gonna happen, but for the average viewer i guess it was a satisfying moment within the show. The music, the longer takes, the amazing sets and acting, everything contributed for quite an atmosphere of tension
So, that's the thing. People are comparing it to the Red Wedding a lot. And I can see that comparison in terms of shock factor. The shock factor was huuuge. But the shock factor also comes from the surprise of it all, which, of course, isn't as powerful when you already know that it is coming. The red wedding didn't have just shock factor though. We're talking about characters that we grew to love and we were rooting for. That's not the case for Blood and Cheese, it wasn't going to be like that no matter how it was done.
As a person who's waiting for the show to end before reading the book, I was shocked to my core by this scene. A toddler getting murdered for basically no reason, with the mother watching and his twin sister sleeping in the bed right next to him. Hearing the sound of that saw chopping off an innocent child's head. I feel like it was one of the most gruesome things I've watched on TV ever, in spite of not being shown the visual of it. The sound, and knowing that it was an innocent chile, is enough for me.
Oh, and even funnier. I read transcripts of the book version afterwards, I can understand the brutality of the book version.. and yet, it hits less powerful to me now, after having watched the TV version. I did genuinely find the TV adaptation more horrific. Which I suppose is more "proof" that surprise plays a big role in how you perceive this scene.
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Always love that whenever Beau brings up old GoT, it turns into one of those “It was so good in it’s prime” rants
These guys were praising season 8 until they received backlash. Now season 8 is bad for them for some reason. 😊
And remember when for the first half of season 8 they were so super hyped still despite the trainwreck unfolding? His rants come off so stupid to me, because he had to be convinced of how dumb the show was being, he was the last of the last to accept reality.
The dog getting kicked hit me harder than the kid dying.
I've always loved your GoT and HOTD stuff boys, can't wait to listen to this
They spent the entire episode bitching about the last scene
It would have been way over the top for TV. No way someone wouldnt scream and 500 guards come in and just stop it. The threatening to sexually assault the kid to the mother would come off as them being vulgar for the sake of it. It wouldve been comical. Agree on Heleana's part, could've added some suspense to her fleeing instead of just going to her mom.
I agree. I think even in the books it was over the top and illogical. I feel the only reason people defend it as superior is because it was GRRM who wrote it.
as a show watcher i absolutely loved the ending scene Phia did a stellar job i can see why book fans are disapointed but i loved it 💚💚
They can always reread the book
The gore was fine. The emotional horror and cruelty is what I needed. Could’ve been so cinematic.
exactly this
I think the thing I don’t appreciate about the show is how some of the big moments tend to be accidents or not the intended action, like Luke being killed or alicent misunderstanding what the king said and now the jaherys being killed because they couldn’t find aemond, they don’t feel as weighted as they do in the books because everything is much more intentional or perceived as intentional in the book.
Probably because the book isn't technically accurate. It's biased accounting on both sides. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and which I think the show's done a good job at showing
@@KeangoDLuke its not good when they do it just cause they dont want to disappoint fans of every side. Not every moment has to be an accident
@@KeangoDLukethe book is written by Maesters who are in service of house Hightower. The Citadel is literally in their City. you think it's biased towards both sides?
The moment with the murder of Aemond is much more logical, you have to admit it. We knew that blood and cheese were not professionals.+ the book mentions that they may have come for another person in the first place, so everything is fine there
@@wisdommanari6701 the archmaester's sources are biased and dubious, something he readily admits
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I find it weird that a lot of people seem to think that the cut from Daemon after they ask him what to do if they don't find Aemond would not imply that he expressly told them to go after the kids. They were still following the plan, even if it was plan B
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I highly doubt you can actually shot a scene like that of killing a little child in front of other little child. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed. Keep in mind those child actors must be no more than 5 years old.
As a book reader, I didn’t mind Blood and Cheese as much as you guys though I still agree with the criticisms completely. That said, all my friends and family that are non book readers found it super impactful and were mortified.
Love that yall are back talking thrones but really…”the child murder was better in the books” should’ve been on my bingo card but it wasn’t. I think we can give grace for something that’s easier to convey in written form versus in a visual medium
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Honestly I get almost more excited for new Nerd Soup episodes covering GoT content than the GoT content itself.
I was kinda disappointed but that's what happens when there is 2 years in between shows. Expect too much. Still excited for the season though.
atrocious takes about the last scene... sh*t made me tear up fam
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I didn't like how they adapted the Blood and Cheese scene. If they were going for a son, it was pointless asking Helaena which one was the boy when they could have checked, which Cheese actually suggested
How dare they not further assault a child by exposing their privates, do you hear yourself
I think they wanted to avoid waking them up.
She’ll be consumed by guilt having chosen.
@@red49254 she didn't really have a choice. In fact, she didn't choose which one should be killed but rather which one was the boy, which they could have figured out on their own
@@L.L.Cool.T because they couldn't have done a different angle like from the side of them pulling back the sheet and them being like this one. Without the actors even being there 🙄
Do you hear yourself clown
I’ve been waiting for you guys to do this review for 2 long years, thank you for coming back
Blood and Cheese sneaking around...who wouldn't see the torchlight between the cracks? You could drive a small car thru them
I just hate that they made it seem like the black queen wanted Aemond dead and not the kid so when cheese kills the kid it wasn’t because of Rhaenyra. It was because of miscommunication because Rhaenyra wouldn’t dare to kill a kid. She’s good not evil.
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I stayed along because of your deep cut movie talk, but right now it feels like Jordan coming back to basketball after your season playing baseball I’m ready for my weekly dragon soup
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Every time I see Queen Rhaenyra riding her Dragon, all I think of is Lisa Simpson after falling into the water in the Krusty amusement park water ride. "I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN " Lmfao 😂.
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Been looking forward to this
The last scene was done very well, book readers need to chill out. Just because it’s not going according to every little detail of the book doesn’t mean that it didn’t deliver.
Agreed
I feel like we've been chill. It wasn't what I expected, but it wasn't hot Doo. We are allowed to dislike their interpretation as much as you like them. I don't think it ruined the show at all, but it's a sign that other things that have to happen via the book, they will not be able to do. But they've also made changes that I really love.
I'm not going to stop praising the beauty of what they are creating, but I'm more critical of what they will do moving forward, where I was absolutely trusting they could handle this story at the end of season 1. If they knock Rooks Rest outta the park, you'll hear no more complaints from book stans. We're mostly just worried about another fumble and you guys deserve the best from this story.
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To me that last scene hit just as hard as the book except its a punch to the head and not the gut. I love the change of making one of her kids a girl and her choosing to not lie to save her son- because every other character in this show would have lied to save the boy. But Helaena tells true because thats literally what she does, it might not make sense to anyone else but her prophecies come true. And I like the symbolism of her picking the girl to live bc she must know that had it been Alicent, she wouldn't have picked Helaena, no one ever seems to care about Helaena, its always Ageon this or Aemond that, yet imagine if anyone took the time to listen to Helaena? Her gift is powerful and no one even bothers to just listen. Her telling the truth to protect the girl is like her protecting herself and I love it. And honestly idc how good a child actor is, I dont want them to be slayed on screen. Helaena will still have to face an internal battle bc she did what was right for her not the realm and she will be scrutinised by Ageon for it for sure
I was kind of underwhelmed and once again it feels like the pacing is off. That just could be me though.
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Book to screen changes never really bother me but this one did. Blood and Cheese felt like scooby doo villains and Helayna’s choice plus her reaction were very underwhelming. Considering what we’ve seen before in GoT and HotD this moment that helps kick off a civil war feels pretty underwhelming.
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Helena is a dreamer possibly on the spectrum. Doesn't like touching , strangers, disruption of schedules etc. strangers
I dont think TV audiences would be able to handle the Blood and Cheese scene as it was in the books. Reading it was devastating enough, never mind the visuals.
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The biggest problem i have is how these showrunners insist on spoonfeeding the plot points to the mindless masses....like maybe have some mysteries or keep things ambiguous and let the audience have theories or figure it out themselves...GoT started out with the whole who killed Jon Arryn and payed it off later...like maybe Blood and cheese were hired by Larys because he was jealous, or by the maesters to speed the war along, or let us just assume it was Daemon instead of having that stupid scene where he smuggles his way into kingslanding ( he was way to important to the war effort to risk going there) and if he was ballsy enough to go that far, why not just do the job himself (he knows the secret tunnels) instead of hiring those blubbering baffoons
I just don't know what people expected, how do you film something like that with traumatizing the child actors? Even people on team Green wanted Healana to fly at blood and cheese like Cat, she isn't Cat. I think she was actively having a vision during that showed if she fought they would all die, she chose to keep one child alive.
I appreciate that y'all are giving your own opinions and aren't parroting the praise others have been giving to this episode, even though I disagree with practically every one of your takes. Admittedly, I didn't the source material for HotD so my expectations are sure to be different than those that have, but personally I don't think I'd enjoy reading a gruesome and cruel description of child murder, it's traumatic enough on it's own without having to get into a nonsensical level of tortuous sadism. The show's version seems at least plausible whereas the book, not so much. Also, Blood and Cheese seem about as dumb as they should be, that is to say, no more and no less than the average person who lives in this world would almost invariably be in this world given the complete lack of attention and regard they receive from those in power. I appreciate that the showrunners seem to have put a lot of thought into each character, it definitely feels, to me, like GRRM has had a much bigger role behind the scenes than he did in the latter seasons of GoT at least.
Holy shit it's definitely been a minute. been wondering where you guys went. Good to see you back
I was underwhelmed by the final scenes - mostly because that part where Heleana has to choose is what makes it truly impactful / especially with Blood and Cheese telling the child she chose that the mom wanted that one dead
THAT is the brutality
I really can’t believe they cut that
I was having a rough morning, and I was in a bad mood until the get back on defense comment 😂😂😂 this made my day 🤣
I totally agree with the final scene being underwhelming. I don’t think it was how they handled the execution itself, like of course they wouldn’t show it and I found just the sound effects to be super disturbing and impactful. But the overall intensity from the description in the books was just not there. I was waiting to see how they’d sneak in the castle and how hard it would be but nope they just went into a drain and up to an obvious latter and then suddenly they’re in the THRONE ROOM! With the king right there!! Then when they keep sneaking around I was expecting more tension. Finally, once they end up in the room with the queen and her boys, they really should’ve had the scene be longer and had the children be awake for the whole thing. Also the choice to have the mother basically not react past her just saying “no” a couple times then say “they killed the boy.”
Like.. ‘the boy?’ She didn’t seem to care. I know she’s supposed to be a little spacey and aloof but come on. In the books she loses her shit screaming then goes on to lose her mind over time. This was a moment I was not exactly looking forward to, but was definitely intrigued to see how they’d handle such a gruesome moment. But in the end it just came and went. Felt rushed as hell. When I think of the Red Wedding, the scene isn’t all that long, but it FELT like it just never stopped because every single moment is just so packed with emotion, tension and shock. It made it feel dragged out, like you were there feeling every bolt through your body and dagger in your back. It was just so well directed. I really hope they don’t fumble any more iconic moments because if they did this one justice, EVERYONE would be going crazy over it right now and yet I have yet to hear literally anyone mention it outside of TH-cam breakdown channels.
Been checking in heavy for this episode 👌
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as someone who has only seen the show I have to say i completely disagreewith blood and cheese. I bet it was done better in the books but it was still a great scene in my opinion ( not "great" beacuase a child died but the scene itself). I think most non book readers would agree that the scene hit.
Happy to be back!
I disagree with you very much on using familiar music. I wish the Star Wars shows would do this.
Definitely agree with Aron’s point about Aegon’s characterization in season 1 - I think it would’ve been cool to see him struggle with the pressures of war and ruling a kingdom without the whole sexual deviant/excessive amount of bastards thing ~ I mean I definitely get what they’re going for but I think the actor comes off so much more genuine in those warmer more human moments when he’s interacting with the common folk and his son. lol I think he comes off more as a drunken party boy- - but not like a full blown dead beat rapist guy that we saw in season 1 😂
So Maelor was never cast so I figured blood and cheese would be different than the book. I wasn’t disappointed but I get what Aaron is saying.
It definitely felt like they pulled their punch with the Blood and Cheese moment. Even Helaena’s reaction was muted. This is supposed to be the moment that breaks her. I was expecting a blood curdling scream like we got from Alaria Sand when Oberyn got his head popped.
Freakin' Daemon, just pouring gas on an already growing fire...
They’re back, been waiting for this day
Did yall literally wanna see a child's head sawed off? I totally disagree and the scene worked for me and just hearing what was happening was enough to affect me
Weird flex to say you'll never read comments of your fans engaging with you..
My boys are back I’ve been waiting 😭😭😭
Glad that you are back! Hope that you’re also gonna do episodes on the boys
LETS GOO MORE ASOIAF NERDSOUP!!!
Jayson Tatum is laughing harder than Rhaenyra on her throne after pulling a fast one on Aegon
Been really missing you guys
Happy to see you guys succeed. It has been like three years
Pick up your mojo boys! Very flat review here with 90% trashing one scene. What was originally shot was apparently rejected by HBO and then reshot. I found it fine
My Guys 💪🏽
Good to have these videos back! I thought episode 1 was 🔥
Blood and Cheese had the ability to be Red Wedding if handled correctly. They definitely didn't stick the landing. They made it a cool ending of an episode rather then a top jaw hanging moment in the entire series.
5:36 “No tension? No suspense?”
What?! I found that whole sequence so intense. I knew they wouldn’t kill Aemond. But I knew something was going to happen.
I think the main issue with B&C wasn’t necessarily that it wasn’t gruesome enough. You guys are right in saying that some of the story changes made it worse. Not having alicent there, not giving Helena the choice, and having her dissociate instead of panic were all bad choices.
But I still think the worst choice was based on perspective of the scene. they paint B&C as the protagonists of the scene. We follow them through the castle and their every move, so nothing is surprising. We should instead be seeing the greens have a normal night in the castle. Show Aemond in his quarters since they’re going after him. Show Helaena taking the children to see Alicent. And then when B&C storm in, it’s almost as if you forgot they were coming in the first place. That’s how you create surprise and tension with the audience, not by following two random characters we’ll never see again on their mini quest.
I honestly and truly don't understand book reader's severe disappointment with the Blood & Cheese scene.
The scene was visceral, it's driving the main plot to the same exact points. The change doesn't significantly impact the plot nor any of its characters and matches the show. Helaena revealing her son to his murderers is STILL incredibly tragic and is STILL going to drive her mad.
It's fine to be disappointed but the discourse is ridiculous imo. Folks are acting as though Maelor has a significant piece later in the story. This change is being treated as Bruce Wayne somehow still becoming Batman even though his parents lived. It's not nearly as egregious as when Carl Grimes was killed off for no good reason in The Walking Dead show.
At what point do folks just admit that they're just complaining about every single change just because it's different and not because it actually spells anything significantly different for the plot or its characters?
Honestly looking for anyone to explain it to me.
It’s not about the gore, their are small details that were changed that had they been left in would make people hate team black. The show puts the decision to kill the child on blood and cheese.
@@ToeKnife166 I'd argue that it puts it on Daemon, Not Blood/Cheese. When B/C asked what they should do if they cannot find Aemond, it cut away to another scene. It's heavily implied that the order to kill the prince came from Daemon.
Your point about it being a way to garner sympathy for the Greens (alongside Aaron in this video) is genuinely the only decent counterpoint I've heard on the matter. It's true, the show is making it too easy to be Team Black. If anything, this move just puts Daemon more in question more than it does Rhaenyra.
Even then, I think the tragedy of it all speaks more to Alicent/Rhaenyra not specifically wanting it to reach this point but the surrounding circumstances has taken them too far and now the chaos is engulfing everyone even down to children.
I know some of the shows changes are good, some are bad, and some are understandable. It's just frustrating how minute changes are being referred to as things that "ruin" the entire show when clearly that's not the case. Too hyperbolic for me.